Is a Porsche Cayman the Best $20k Sports Car Deal? Filippo Investigates the 987!
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
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In this video, Filippo Bulgarelli, Head of Operations at Cars & Bids, continues his search for his first modern sports car. The idea of buying one of the best value modern offerings from Porsche has caught Filippo's attention. Today, he gets to drive a 2008 Porsche Cayman 987 and see if it lives up to the hype of being one of the best value modern sports cars on the market.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00 Introduction
01:03 CARS & BIDS!!!
01:05 Taking The Cayman For A Spin
01:46 Cayman 987 Facts
03:06 It Feels Natural
04:32 Does it Feel Enough Like A Sports Car?
07:36 Kennan's Good Point
10:34 What Are Some of The Cons??
12:25 Drawbacks Applicable to Filippo's Life Specifically
12:59 What Are the Top Contenders?
18:20 Some More Thoughts on the Cayman
21:59 Heading For Pizza!
22:15 Conclusion
23:37 Pizza Outro
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Please make a series called ‘cheapo fillipo’ where we get reviews of depreciated vehicles that offer great all around value. (If fillipo is okay with that branding lol)
i wanna see Fillipo review the gen 1 Twingo
Early Hoovie's Garage but without the hoopties.
Great idea 👍🏻
And then watch the search trends for the cars to spike after the video LMAO
Omg Cheapo Filipo
Big fan of Cheapo Fillipo. He speaks to me
agreed
What he be saying?
@@davidbennett5424true things
😅I'm starting to wonder if MAYBE I just enjoy Car Reviews in general. Like...full stop. I enjoyed Doug, I liked the others...I saw Marques do it well and Tyler, CarWow, Donut and Top Gear obviously...maybe I just enjoy people reviewing cars.
@@davidbennett5424 he's a car guy that's also big on financial responsibility. Most car guys are terrible with money so Fillipo's perspective is really refreshing and relatable.
“Filippo Investigates” Congratulations, Cars and Bids. You’ve just stumbled upon a great title for a recurring series.
Cheapo Fillipo Investigates
Filippo investigates the dark web
Doug teases Filippo too much about his limited high end exotics knowledge. Here we have proof that Filippo is actually the most relatable everyman enthusiast. In a hobby typically ruled by irrational emotion and pursuits of unreasonable speed, Filippo is refreshingly pragmatic.
I might even argue that Doug’s enthusiasm for the older, cheaper, slower Countach (vs the CGT) is actually Filippo’s practical side rubbing off on Doug. That, or it’s the Italian. 😉
Also Abarth 500 isn't bad car to own, you have to be car enthusiast to own one because otherwise you probably wouldn't even know how different it is
Okay Doug, been watching your videos since Jalopnik days, who knew you had such a good hat-trick hiding in your back pocket like Cheapo-Fillipo!!! We all need more Fillipo!
Liking the fillipo vids!
This is the kind of car video that is actually useful to most of us average car enthusiasts/owners. Well done.
Fillipo keeps talking about wanting similar but a convertible, but instead of saying "Boxster", he says "911". Check out a Boxster!!!!!
Because he also mentioned that he needs backseats, though the 911 backseats aren’t intended to seat two more actual adults.
I love how Fillipo is experiencing everything for the first time. It's really refreshing to see someone experiencing something for the first time. From corvette to prosche 2 completely different experiences and it's nice to see how Fillipo has different emotions about the 2 cars. Great content!
My favorite new series Doug should stay on vacation forever 🤣
Get the Cayman! I love my 987.1 Cayman S. You're right that the base model has less of a chance of bore scoring. Find out why by watching the 4-part series on bore scoring on the PCA UA-cam channel. I recently installed the PCCM+ made by Porsche Classic, purchased through sun coast parts. Installed myself. Now I have a much better head unit with Apple car play. Anytime I see a 987 on the road, I know that's an enthusiast. You don't accidentally find yourself owning a 987. Find one with the sport seats. They are better than the standard seat you're sitting in.
Problem is IF bore scoring it does happen, is another Cayman’s worth of a cost to fix. Basically, you loose a 20k car without insurance to back you up. They should cost 10k on a good day just for risk of it.
just find 2009+ facelift cars)
@@silhouette300 I know someone with a 987.2 that needed a new engine due to oblong cylinders. Every car has its issues and every engine can fail. If you can't stomach the possibility of it happening you shouldn't buy a used luxury car.
@@kimchee411of course, but in my country like 80% of 996 997 987 NA cars have scoring in cylinder, for 987.2 problems with engine much rarer. Same on 997.2. Problems could be with early PDK gearboxes. Better buy 2011-2012 cars
I have a 2012 Cayman 987.2 base for around 2 and a half years now, and it's by far the best car i've owned. The handling, the torque, the everyday usability with the storage space, and even the quirky stuff like the pop-out cupholders, it's excellent.
The facelifted interior in the 987.2s and Porsches after 2009 in general also look fantastic, taking away the absolutely cluster of buttons and streamlined it alot more, making it feel alot more driver focused. It ain't luxurious, you're certainly reminded it's a sport car. But it's a really comfortable cabin to be in, atleast in my opinion.
Regardless of whether you get a 987.1 or .2, if you get one, I hope Filipo finds it to be a super enjoyable experience. I love Porsche, I love 911s, but Caymans are an absolute steal for what you get out of them.
Filippo the type of guy who considers a mid-engine Porsche for his pizza to stay warm.
If only there was a convertible version of the Cayman for Filipo to consider.
Great owner instructing Filipo to drive it hard!!! Especially on this car, that’s when it shines!
Yes. Yes it is. All the 6 cylinder caymans are amazing. 981 flashed to gt3 steering is the sweet spot. Even the 4 cylinder’s are fun and fast! Mid engine Porsches are the best. 914s and Caymans are underrated and usually undervalued because of the 911.
Best $20k used car, best $150k sports car, cayman is the answer
If there was ever a doubt as to Fillipo’s nationality, the hand gestures WHILST DRIVING are crazy!
Loving the content. Man is a natural
That 836hp Corvette for 40k - wow.
Definitely looked like you liked the Corvette better
Joe average doesn’t know the difference between a CGT and a Boxster
base c6 manuals go for around 20k. Better deal I think. That's my bias towards V8s though. Early Caymans are super nice as well and it's all based on preference
Or get the z06 for not much more. Aluminum frame carbon fenders wider track width more muscled body. More power better brakes etc etc etc
@@mr.lowslow7702 All C6s have an aluminum chassis. It was the C5 that differed from the Z06 chassis. Having owned a C5, C6 (LS3) and 987.1, I would take the Cayman any day. The base Cayman is not Corvette fast but has usable power. I was always too scared to push my C6 on a mountain run, but not the Cayman. And at the end of the day, a base Corvette will not how value like a base Porsche. Plus a base Cayman has a nicer interior and finish than a 1LT or 2LT Corvette.
@@isreyjr7201 You might want to do some of your own fact checking about the Corvette frame materials before correcting people. mr.lowslow is right.
Filipo would need the C7 to get near the base Cayman build quality, anyway.
I stand corrected on the build material it is steel for the base models.
Great video! I'm looking forward to future videos as you figure out what you would like to buy next. One thought: Have you considered a Panamera? Four seats, a very roomy and practical hatch, but still fun, sporty, and I see many used in great shape for very good prices.
yes. it is.
Fridays with Filippo!! I’m starting to love these. I hope he keeps doing them, even if he does eventually buy something… which is highly unlikely!!
This series is great, please keep it going!
Great video, Filipio. I enjoyed all of it and was far more relatable than most reviews.
GORGEOUS car - those rollers from the rear 3/4 are actually breathtaking. I love that color.
Absolutely loving Filippo content! Keep it up
More Filippo please! Have him review cars going for sale on carsandbids too since I like this style and video format too.
Great vid and review. 10/10 👍
Great car review!
Awesome content, Filippo provides a great POV and is a natural storyteller
I have owned a base 987.1 for around a year now and absolutely love it. I have done multiple road trips, including a trip to Nurburgring and some track days and haven’t had any major problems. I can highly recommend getting one.
Really like this porsche the color and quite a bargain given its a Porsche even with that mileage.
Fillipo is definitely more of a natural behind the camera, and I love the use of different camera angles.Glad to see he's getting good feedback. Felt more like Jay Leno from a video perspective, which is also refreshing. Hopefully, he can get a camera mounted in the back so we get to see different angles, especially out the front screen.
Definitely onto something with buying cheaper cars and looking for an affordable bargain.
You’ve convinced me! Great video by Filipo!
Big fan of Filippo's videos! He's incredibly relatable.
great video, we need more of Filippo
Thanks Filippo. I've had my eye on one of these too. This helped me consider the 987. This one sounds wonderful. I can see the fun on mountain roads and even around town. Watch Out Doug, Filippo has game.
LOL the intro was great
Great video
I've been saying for years that the Cayman/Boxster is the best sports car platform on the planet. Literally the only thing holding Porsche back from making it better than the 911 is the fact that 911 owners would lose their mind if they made a car that was better. If porsche gave the the cayman/boxster the 911's engine, and improved suspension, it would be better than the 911 in literally every way.
You really do have to take it on a good twisty mountain road to get the most out of a Cayman. It really comes alive in those environments. You feel the mid-engine balance. Right near redline and on the edge of a cliff :-).
Love the Cheapo Fillipo vids. For this question of sporty, convertible and 4 seater e46 M3 or E93 M3 are the only choices, surely...
Commenters, you know it's possible not to pick sides between people on Cars and Bids, and just enjoy the (free) content?
I like all of the presenters - variety is a good thing.
Fillipo is the jam at these drives. Keep it up gents.
Yes!! We need more filipo even after buys his sports car. Missed the Costco practicality test today tho.
incredible color too btw, love that!
Can't wait to see what you actually get.
Definitely interested in seeing the final choice 😁
Great video guys, but please work on the audio levels for next time. Audio was low, got loud, got low, etc.
Fillipo you are the man, "camera crews" all around you, Doug does not🤣 Great video
This actually was a fantastic review of this car
Filippo is the new star of the channel. Relatable and genuine.
As a fellow cheapskate and 500 Abarth owner I must say I enjoy his videos.
I have had two base 987.2 manuals and now own a 981 base PDK. All amazing cars. But I think the 981 might be the better car. The stock cable operated manual gearbox felt pretty sloppy on the 987. The seating position also feels much nicer on the 981. 981 seems to be aging well too.
The boot however on the 987 is bigger and fits golf bags easier. But these are nitpicks. All generations are excellent.
996.1 manual c2 cab, you will love it and it will give you very similar feels as a covertible and +2 seats with more power, more room to red line, throw in fister exhausts/gundo hack and a wind deflector and youre golden. 996 is much more fully depreciated and even going up or at least holding value. 987 cayman is great and a 987 cayman S is one of the best track cars but as a top down gt cruiser and what you seem to like the 996 is for you.
Fillipo, you should totally test drive a nice example C5. Just bought a manual one with 25k miles as my new daily and it’s surprisingly comfortable inside. The ride quality is amazing too. I don’t think the interior is as bad as people say (maybe mines just in much better condition). They also drive so amazingly well. The convertible aspect and gas mileage is awesome too!
More of these, please.
I love how Fillipo spends half the video comparing the porche to his fiat 😂
I like this segment
Really enjoyed this review with the cheap man. More of this
As a valet I got to drive many 911s as well as various other porsche models, and a slightly tuned caymen is the only one I still think about. It was a great car.
I absolutely LOVE the color on this one.
Beautiful cars.
I own a 991.2 base Carrera and a 987.1 base Cayman. I previously owned a base 987.1 Boxster for 9 years. The Boxster/Cayman is more fun to drive even though it’s not as fast and it sounds better since the engine is right behind you in the cabin.
The SL55 AMG next!
Filippo is the best!!
2011-2014 Mustang GT. Four seats, convertible available, stick or auto. Can be had under $20k with well under 100k miles. If you ever get tired of 412hp, a Roush blower kit can be had for $8k and a weekend's work in the driveway. Now you have well over 700hp and you're absolutely dunking on everyone. The Coyote engine is a glorious machine. Anytime someone starts to mention the interior, just rev the engine until you can't hear them anymore.
would it be better than a 15-19 wrx sti?
@@financefoodplentygaming6803 I shopped those once, got in for test drive and popped right back out, nope, too small, didn’t bother driving it. And you’re not breaking 475 reliable horsepower without yanking the engine and filling it with race car parts, let alone the drivetrain. They can be stupid fast but it takes a heckuva lot more to get there. And high hp turbo build means you’re under the hood a lot more often. Turbos are arguably better than superchargers but require more fiddling at high boost levels. Camaro is an option too but you can’t see out of the damned things. Dodge doesn’t have an engine that’s really boost ready except the ones with blowers already on them. If you’re shopping teeny STI’s and like the small cars, I’d look at waiting for new Supra prices to get to your budget level. BMW F30 3-series with a down pipe and tune makes for a cheap low key hotrod as well. But at the end of the day, the cheapest way to go stupid fast is a very used Tesla Plaid (not really a sports car) or a Coyote with 10+ lbs of boost (suspension mods galore available).
I had the same 2.7 987. Unfortunately I can confirm they do suffer from bore scoring 😂 you can’t assume they don’t. But they are amazing cars, you get a proper sports car feeling
Not a fan of the exhaust but man do I love a Cayman. To me they look so much better than a 911. Plus the driving experience speaks for itself.
I don’t comment on videos too much but I’d just like to say that Filippo is excellent and should keep doing stuff like this after he buys his sports car!
First time I drove a 987 it was simply the more exciting version of my 2002 5-speed Honda Civic, which is exactly what I was looking for. Love it.
If you’re tall (6’5”+) make sure you sit in it. I can fit at that height and is fine for around town, but a 997 911 has more room if you need to commute in it.
This is great to hear I'm at the same height and was curious. Unlike 996 which I don't fit, the 997.1 or 2 are glorious in terms of seating position and space for tall drivers. In that regard 981 Cayman or Boxsters seem roomier than 982 oddly.
Filippo, there's actually a new Porsche infotainment system, from Porsche, for both the 996 and 997 911, 986 Boxster, and 987 Boxster and Cayman. Plug and play, with a nice new responsive screen, CarPlay, etc.
How much is it?
@@MrJeepmarine$1500. Its called PCCM+ Plus. You can connect a backup camera as well.
C7 corvette is the way to go (although I do love the cayman) - you just can’t beat what the c7 offers! It’s one of the very few (maybe the only?) modern sports cars that combines lightweight, an NA V8, manual transmission, RWD, analog driving experience, and open roof if you want it. And then there's MagRide which is an absolute game changer. All Corvettes have a certain image, I get that... but if you get past that, it's one of the best modern sports cars IMO. If BMW or Porsche made a modern car with that formula (lightweight, NA v8, manual, analog, RWD, etc etc) it would break the internet. But, I get the vette image isn't for everyone. I'm in my 30s and I do wish the image wasn't so mid-life crisis haha. But that all melts away when you're carving up a twisty road with the roof open and rowing your own gears the v8 echoing off the mountains. And I know we can debate whether or not it lightweight ... its no Elise, but compared to other modern sports cars, its lighter than even the V6 competition ie Supra, Nissan Z, 911, M4, F-Type, etc. Miata is obviously lighter but slow, the only car I can think of with any grunt that's notably lighter is maybe Boxster GTS. When I was shopping, I really didn't want the answer to be Corvette. I really didn't like the image, but the more I shopped and test drove cars, the more I couldn't help but think it's the best modern affordable sports car on the market.
The C7 is peak Corvette. The C8 is nice but it's a different class of car. The C7 is powerful, handles great, sounds great, reliable, and is surprisingly daily-driveable. The interior is GM but the prices are GM too.
At least over here where they came from, these are the ones you (should) want while the 911 is the one you (probably) get because of outside factors or because you had this and needed more.
I met a Canadian Dude (guess where? The first Tim Horton's from Ambassador Bridge😅) who parked an 06 Cayman S, complimented him on it and while we spoke I mentioned the point above. Nice guy.
He left later with a "there's Cookies for you all at the checkout, enjoy your stay"
We were 4 people, he'd bought 8 of their top of the range Cookies just for me saying "nice car dude" basically.
Canadians...you actually HAVE to love them😅
Bravissimo Filippo, bel vidéo. Continua così e che la pizza sia buona 🍕 😋
Filippo's the type of guy to redline his coworker's Porsche while merging.
I honestly think an e46 m3 is a fantastic option if you get a clean one but make sure you allocate some cash to do rod bearings, vanos and subframe. Also, they’re not going down in value from here, they’ll only go up you can drive it for years and still make money. And with proper maintenance they can be pretty reliable. Drive one next! Also love this series!
Doesn’t compare to a true sports car like this though it is still a big heavy sedan converted to be a sporty drivers car. Idk why people always talk about the E46 M3 but you don’t hear much about the Z4M which also has the S54, a much more ridgid chassis than the E46 (even the roadster), CSL brakes, quicker steering rack, better manual, and less weight.
Cheapo Filippo needs his own eponymous channel.
If you want an affordable convertible that wants to rev, there is the M Roadster with the same engine as the E46 M3.
But also look at the 987.2 boxster
I was talking to an experienced Porsche mechanic while I was considering a 996 911 vs a 987.1 Cayman… and he said that at that price, he recommended the 987.1 by far. IMS may be exaggerated but he said why chance it…
Can't wait for more pizza reviews with Filipo!
987.1 base Cayman = 100% pure fun!
Filippo finding the best cheap cars.
I dig it.
I’m here for the Filippo content. Any one of Doug’s cars (minus the A-class) costs more than I have cumulatively spent on cars.
Interesting. Im 33 and I've still never been in a Porsche to this day. The closest i got was also actually a Carrera GT, in period when i was in HS. Local car dealer had one and was a family friend of a friend. He brought it over for prom pictures and he said he would take me for a ride. He ended up leaving before that happened though. I worked for him years later and brought it up, he said he forgot. He didn't have the Carrera anymore, so i got a ride in his Gallardo because he felt bad lol
Nobody watches these videos with a group of people, the traditional way of speaking in journalism is to speak as if addressing an audience of one. Great content
21:23 nice save Fillipo 😂
FInd a 987.2 base and get 20 more hp and no IMS worry since it has none! When I was in the market the 987.2 Cayman Base was the sweet spot of price, reliability and handling. It's been a great car so far. Funny how you can get one of the worlds best handling/driving cars for very little money. Not sure why.....
Filippo offers a great view on these cars, he seems like a regular, down to earth and relatable guy. Doug and Kennan are amazing, but its hard to relate with Ferrari or Carrera GT ownership 😂
this is the one filipo
This is almost the answer. The base 987.2 would give you more grunt off the line while still pulling hard to redline.
If you want to maintain your frugality, try a 128i manual if you can find it. With refreshed or aftermarket suspension they feel solid and are a lot of fun with decent torque, probably a lateral move money-wise from the Fiat
We need more Fillipo cheap car reviews
Please tell more people how good these are. I need the value of mine to go up.
Do these have more legroom that the Boxster? I looked at a 987 Boxster a few years ago and it doesn't have enough legroom, I'm 6'5".
I wonder about that too. I am 6'4" and tried a Boxster a few years ago. I could barely get my leg wrapped around the steering wheel and my knees were hitting the wheel when driving. Also the ceiling was too low. Gave me NA Miata vibes, which I also do not fit in at all.
Cars & Bids is setting up a series of C7 videos.
Hi Fillipo,
From one cheap Italian to another. I think the more you drive the Porsche, the more it begs to be pushed. Coupe of things to think about, when I was shopping for my sports car I landed in the 997.1 911. I had two small kids and wanted a back seat. 5 years later, they find it tight (they’re not big) so I should have gotten a Caymen. That said, no regrets. Getting one with more miles on it means less guilt using it.
Only question is why not a Boxster? If you really want a convertible, the Boxster is the convertible version of the Caymen. Personally, I prefer hard tops but that’s me.
Buona fortuna!!
Even though the price is coming down and its "affordable" it still really isn't affordable for most people. the upkeep of maintenance will hurt alot of people in the long run.