untill you need to buy a new blade. its about 20 cheaper than the saw in the first place and im not sure of its price but the zubat had saw is $80 and thats only 14 inches or less. ive bought one saw from them and went to fanno and Corona for $25 instead.
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@@Valo160569which happens to be the next saw on my wish list lol. Hard to swallow the price tag though especially since for that price I could get a decent battery powered chainsaw.
That’s the model I have (Silky Big Boy) and I love it it’s phenomenally fast, aggressive and easy to use while being comfortable. My only regret is that 2 months after I got it, Silky released the Outback line and I was like oh man I wish I had that one. However I heard that for most people in most situations the Big Boy is too big and clunky to carry. So I’m going to get the pocket boy or gomboy in the outback edition. For those who don’t know, the outback series has the same everything except the blades a bit thicker to prevent bending and it’s coated. In addition to the blade upgrade they changed the handle material to a composite micarta or something like that, it’s not the neon green/yellow rubber & it’s brown. I’m also going to get a replacement blade for my big boy but in the outback edition.
I have their largest saw, and i take it with me everytime i go for overnighters. Sawing is more draining than walking, and id rater take the extra weight and have it easy on the sawing :)
I got the Outback Gomboy and highly recommend it. Good size to pack and curved blade cuts very well. Blades are replaceable if you ever need to but I think all Silky's are like that.
@@d.Cog420 I had bought mine two months before they released the outback series and I was sad that it happened that way but I’m undecided on the outback pocket boy or gomboy so your opinion has helped me decide. 🙏🏼
Initially, the Silky Big Boy 2000 was what I had bought for my get-home pack that I keep in my semi-truck, then stepped that down to a Gomboy due to wanting to cut down on bulk and weight. Just on a whim, I tossed my gomboy into my hunting pack last fall. I ended up using it almost every time I was in the woods. From now on, I will NOT venture into the woods without a hand saw. Especially when hunting. I'm thinking I'll put my Big Boy in my hunting pack, so I don't need to remove my Gomboy from my get-home pack. I tend to carry a lot less gear in my hunting pack, so the heavier Big Boy shouldn't be a problem.
as a landscaper i love the silky, it does have a technique though. Since the saw teeth are angled towards you it cuts more on the draw rather than push so you wanna save your power for when you're pulling the blade towards you
Definitely a hangup if you're used to western style push cut saws but that's actually how all Japanese saws work, for the most part silkys are just slightly thicker single edge razor saws with nice handles. I have a razor saw for woodworking and it cuts hardwood like pine, and pine like balsa, they're amazing.
Good technique with the silky is to go on the edges of the cut while your cutting and harder on the draw...they don't cut on the push but I could cut through that in 30 seconds flat but I processed alot of wood in my time
@@GabrielDoesOutdoors And for better ergonomics. For those of us who have had overuse injuries, like Carpal Tunnel or Tendonitis, the Agawa is an easy choice.
@@smirking8457 that's a fact. I'd love to buy a katana boy, but can't justify the unreasonable prices they want for bigger saws. If it's cheaper to buy a new Stihl chainsaw you're asking too much in my book.
@@smirking8457 Yep. Silky for occasional cutting or pruning. Agawa for processing downed wood when camping. If you have a lot to do a straight wrist makes a huge difference.
I own both of them. I prefer the Silky. Boreal 21 is a beast and they have great customer service. But if you know how to use it, that fine Japanese steel eats up the wood.
I had a Compass saw with a knuckle guardless wood handle. I didn't like how it felt so I put the blade on backwards like a monadnock but with a blade. It actually worked like a dream and I loved it cut through wood like butter.
I have a silky, it's never let me down. Before I bought it I must have tried almost every other saw on the market. Would never buy any other brand again.
You should try one they’re incredible and my recommendation is the outback series (for Bushcrafters, campers, outdoorsmen) and the pocket boy is the most packable or the gomboy is the medium size but it’s up to you. It’s also easier to open than the Boreal. 💪
hell yeahh buddy, i highly appreciate the recommendation! ima keep that in mind and even screenshot your response to do a bit of research myself, thank you!!
Silky makes a good saw but they are very expensive. I'm a climbing arborist and I tend to use corona Saws because they are cheap and 90% as good as the silky
I've only used a bow saw. A 30" Sandvik that we used in the uranium mines out here in New Mexico for shoring up underground mine stopes(timber lined pathways).
The agawa blades are not great from my experience. Bahco drywood blade is way better & literally a 3rd the price of the agawa blades here. £4.50 vs £15.
bowsaw. replacement blade is cheaper, resharpenable (silky isn't). You cut slower but tire MUCH less, the blade is 2-3x thinner. Also bowsaws can't snap, silky's can snap and are much more brittle in the cold. Also the silky fares worse on dry hardwood so your mileage my vary, but the ag21 is what I'd use for serious survival.
You were saying the Boreal 21 had a problem with log size, because you only had so much room between the saw and the blade. In truth you have double that distance for log cutting. Just turn the log over. Silky Saws don't lock closed either.
After years with both of these saws, the boreal saw is still more worthwhile than the silky, simply because of blade replacement cost. The boreal replacement is so much more cost effective compared to the silky’s proprietary replacement.
I have both silky and the boreal saws. Silky requires some skill to use as it's a hardened blade and can snap somewhat easily, important to note that silky saws only cut on the pull stroke. The boreal is great in it's versatility because there's more options for how you can cut your chosen pieces of wood. Both are great saws imo
Yes & I’m going to get the outback edition replacement blade for my big boy because they last longer and they are thicker. I’m pretty sure it fits my regular model because it’s not that much thicker.
Ill be the odd man out. For smaller saws, yep, love a silky. But for larger saws, theres no blade stability. Ill take a bow saw for larger wood. Its safer and more durable.
Can’t trust the blades not to snap on the Silky’s from what I’ve heard whereas the blades on the 21 are stable and easily sharpened too, each to their own though.
@@MrAdeuhtyr not only is Corona cheaper tests show they tend to be faster out of the box buddy. I've had one years and cut a TON with it and i got a second, they dull extremely slowly, same as silky
Straight blades can also break a lot easier than a curved hard blade. Sure, it's easier to find a replacement for a straight, but in the woods there be no shops, and a curved hard one's gonna last you longer too.
Yes but this makes the silky look better, when it isn't. You fatigue faster using a silky because it only works the forearm. The bowsaw was 30% slower, BUT 30% of it's teeth don't cut, they rake sawdust. You tire a lot slower using a bowsaw. A bowsaw is thinner so less wood is cut from the log which is saved energy. Yes you will tend to cut slower, but you will be the tortoise that won against the hare, have burned less calories too. Also your bowsaw technique was poor.
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Those Silky's are hard to beat.
You can replace your blade on the boréal with any 21 inch blade not the silky..
@@benjamind4783 can’t you just sharpen the teeth?
untill you need to buy a new blade. its about 20 cheaper than the saw in the first place and im not sure of its price but the zubat had saw is $80 and thats only 14 inches or less. ive bought one saw from them and went to fanno and Corona for $25 instead.
*silkies
@@slappy8941 no, proper noun
I love the silky saws I have 3 different sizes including the big boy.
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how do you compete with a saw named "Silky Big Boy"
Only with a Silky Katanaboy ... ha ha ha ...
@@Valo160569which happens to be the next saw on my wish list lol. Hard to swallow the price tag though especially since for that price I could get a decent battery powered chainsaw.
$949 for a folding saw is unacceptable
@@dancearoundtheworld5360must of found a sale price. I’m seeing $1,199.00
That’s the model I have (Silky Big Boy) and I love it it’s phenomenally fast, aggressive and easy to use while being comfortable. My only regret is that 2 months after I got it, Silky released the Outback line and I was like oh man I wish I had that one. However I heard that for most people in most situations the Big Boy is too big and clunky to carry. So I’m going to get the pocket boy or gomboy in the outback edition. For those who don’t know, the outback series has the same everything except the blades a bit thicker to prevent bending and it’s coated. In addition to the blade upgrade they changed the handle material to a composite micarta or something like that, it’s not the neon green/yellow rubber & it’s brown. I’m also going to get a replacement blade for my big boy but in the outback edition.
I have their largest saw, and i take it with me everytime i go for overnighters. Sawing is more draining than walking, and id rater take the extra weight and have it easy on the sawing :)
Take a look at their f180 saw. Lighter than pocketboy, but performance of the longer gomboy.
@@AtomicBleach thanks I’ll check it out 👊
I got the Outback Gomboy and highly recommend it. Good size to pack and curved blade cuts very well. Blades are replaceable if you ever need to but I think all Silky's are like that.
@@d.Cog420 I had bought mine two months before they released the outback series and I was sad that it happened that way but I’m undecided on the outback pocket boy or gomboy so your opinion has helped me decide. 🙏🏼
I immediately knew that the silkie was going to be faster.
He didn't even use two hands on it, still faster.
Initially, the Silky Big Boy 2000 was what I had bought for my get-home pack that I keep in my semi-truck, then stepped that down to a Gomboy due to wanting to cut down on bulk and weight. Just on a whim, I tossed my gomboy into my hunting pack last fall. I ended up using it almost every time I was in the woods. From now on, I will NOT venture into the woods without a hand saw. Especially when hunting. I'm thinking I'll put my Big Boy in my hunting pack, so I don't need to remove my Gomboy from my get-home pack. I tend to carry a lot less gear in my hunting pack, so the heavier Big Boy shouldn't be a problem.
as a landscaper i love the silky, it does have a technique though. Since the saw teeth are angled towards you it cuts more on the draw rather than push so you wanna save your power for when you're pulling the blade towards you
Definitely a hangup if you're used to western style push cut saws but that's actually how all Japanese saws work, for the most part silkys are just slightly thicker single edge razor saws with nice handles. I have a razor saw for woodworking and it cuts hardwood like pine, and pine like balsa, they're amazing.
You got 3 coasters now
Silky's are the way to go. Especially for a pole saw.
*silkies
Good technique with the silky is to go on the edges of the cut while your cutting and harder on the draw...they don't cut on the push but I could cut through that in 30 seconds flat but I processed alot of wood in my time
Prove it
@@thunderbuns1740 I don't wanna
@@freethinker5225 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both are great saws. But you can get replacement blades for the Boreal dang near anywhere.
Boreal wins for that reason
@@GabrielDoesOutdoors And for better ergonomics. For those of us who have had overuse injuries, like Carpal Tunnel or Tendonitis, the Agawa is an easy choice.
Got to love those silkies
I prefer using silky saws, but the fost to replace a silky blade once its blunt is more than 20 brand new bow saw blades.
Why does the wood look medium rare?
You've never seen red cedar before?
Both are nice. I went b21 because replacement blades are 5 bucks at the local hardware store.
Yep. And besides, anything to big for that saw, I'd be using a chainsaw or axe anyway.
Amen. Plus I like the size it collapses down to
The silky is really great for clearing bike trails where you occasionally need to cut through a large tree.
@@smirking8457 that's a fact. I'd love to buy a katana boy, but can't justify the unreasonable prices they want for bigger saws. If it's cheaper to buy a new Stihl chainsaw you're asking too much in my book.
@@smirking8457 Yep. Silky for occasional cutting or pruning. Agawa for processing downed wood when camping. If you have a lot to do a straight wrist makes a huge difference.
I own both of them. I prefer the Silky. Boreal 21 is a beast and they have great customer service. But if you know how to use it, that fine Japanese steel eats up the wood.
Replacing the blade ain’t cheap though
@@smirking8457 No it’s not. It’s almost as much as buying a new one.
I had a Compass saw with a knuckle guardless wood handle. I didn't like how it felt so I put the blade on backwards like a monadnock but with a blade. It actually worked like a dream and I loved it cut through wood like butter.
I have a silky, it's never let me down.
Before I bought it I must have tried almost every other saw on the market.
Would never buy any other brand again.
Bowsaws are simply too restricted. A folding panel style is a much better option.
When making a lot of cuts the hand position becomes a big deal, especially if you've ever had overuse injuries like Carpal Tunnel or Tendonitis.
I've never owned a Silky but i absolutely love my Boreal 24, especially for backpacking!
You should try one they’re incredible and my recommendation is the outback series (for Bushcrafters, campers, outdoorsmen) and the pocket boy is the most packable or the gomboy is the medium size but it’s up to you. It’s also easier to open than the Boreal. 💪
hell yeahh buddy, i highly appreciate the recommendation! ima keep that in mind and even screenshot your response to do a bit of research myself, thank you!!
Silky makes a good saw but they are very expensive. I'm a climbing arborist and I tend to use corona Saws because they are cheap and 90% as good as the silky
I've only used a bow saw. A 30" Sandvik that we used in the uranium mines out here in New Mexico for shoring up underground mine stopes(timber lined pathways).
I have both it’s the big boy all day
Agawa Canyaon Boreal blade replacement longevity, vs silky proprietary replacement blade cost, I’ll take the agawa canyon, all the time every time
that trees looking a little medium rare
Is there a situation in which the bow saw would be more advantageous?
It was a good feeling tossing the over priced and fragile Silky in a campfire. Nice video and all the best.
But doesn't replaceable blades mean more cuts and more wood if you pack more blades?
Sounded disappointed that the Silky won
Please test the Civivi Concept 22!!! Wanna know how bad/good it is...
The blades have different teeth, so need to redo test with comparabe teeth.
That’s super useful, thanks!
I'm disappointed you didn't reference Crazy Russian Hacker's video on this
I want all saws to be referred as silky bigboys from now on .
What if I told you they make a bigger one called the katanaboy and a smaller one called the pocketboy?
@zach miller noway , u fr ???
Is this what they actually call them ?!?
The agawa blades are not great from my experience. Bahco drywood blade is way better & literally a 3rd the price of the agawa blades here. £4.50 vs £15.
Saws aside, why's your log medium rare?
That's not a huge amount of time between blades. Which one is easiest to use?
If you get the XL teeth on the silky you can speed things up
They're both good saws
So the question is..... Which would you choose?
bowsaw. replacement blade is cheaper, resharpenable (silky isn't). You cut slower but tire MUCH less, the blade is 2-3x thinner. Also bowsaws can't snap, silky's can snap and are much more brittle in the cold. Also the silky fares worse on dry hardwood so
your mileage my vary, but the ag21 is what I'd use for serious survival.
Don't waste effort on the push stroke with Silky Saw... they only cut on the pull stroke.
Thank you
You were saying the Boreal 21 had a problem with log size, because you only had so much room between the saw and the blade. In truth you have double that distance for log cutting. Just turn the log over. Silky Saws don't lock closed either.
Silky all day!!
Your mom calls me the silky big boy.
What kind of wood is that
I think elm but I'm not too sure
Why is that wood medium rare
How long blade?
why the hell is that saw called the silly big boy 2000
Silky all day.
After years with both of these saws, the boreal saw is still more worthwhile than the silky, simply because of blade replacement cost.
The boreal replacement is so much more cost effective compared to the silky’s proprietary replacement.
Sawzaw?
I have both silky and the boreal saws. Silky requires some skill to use as it's a hardened blade and can snap somewhat easily, important to note that silky saws only cut on the pull stroke. The boreal is great in it's versatility because there's more options for how you can cut your chosen pieces of wood. Both are great saws imo
Yeah, but what's more durable.
I refuse the believe that that is the saw’s actual name
Bologna Tree?
What tree is that
Red cedar
I use axe and boreal21. That seems to be a fine combo.
But with a bow saw you can make a bow almost anywhere
It’s not so easy as you might think
@@MrAdeuhtyr Its not easy but its doable if you need to
Do they sell replacement blades for the silky?
Yes, they do.
Yes & I’m going to get the outback edition replacement blade for my big boy because they last longer and they are thicker. I’m pretty sure it fits my regular model because it’s not that much thicker.
Ill be the odd man out. For smaller saws, yep, love a silky. But for larger saws, theres no blade stability. Ill take a bow saw for larger wood. Its safer and more durable.
I agree. Also the Agawa is much more ergonomic because your wrist is straight. These are the kind of opinions that are learned by experience.
Can't beat a silky
I love my silky
that log is medium rare
Can’t trust the blades not to snap on the Silky’s from what I’ve heard whereas the blades on the 21 are stable and easily sharpened too, each to their own though.
bow saws arent good for camping. period.
Ever heard of a bandsaw or chop saw? 4 seconds, buddy
This is a joke, right?
@@MrAdeuhtyr Is it?
Log is cooked rare
Silky Butt is #1 toilet paper
Just ask Niels Buckingham
The biggest downside to the silky is the blade is impact hardened and can’t be sharpened and a new blade costs $50.
I prefer Corona, They make an excellent hand saw. If you like silky you will love Corona.
Other way around bud
@@MrAdeuhtyr Nope, I wrote it right. When you consider the price difference its Corona all the way.
@@MrAdeuhtyr not only is Corona cheaper tests show they tend to be faster out of the box buddy. I've had one years and cut a TON with it and i got a second, they dull extremely slowly, same as silky
@@escapetherace1943 as someone who’s used both. I say silky all the way
@@MrAdeuhtyr keep it up. How much is Silky paying you? 🤣
Straight blades can also break a lot easier than a curved hard blade. Sure, it's easier to find a replacement for a straight, but in the woods there be no shops, and a curved hard one's gonna last you longer too.
Not going to beat a silky
Stilh 5 seconds.
I'll take cmy boreal over silky just cause I can get replacement blades easier and cheaper
Considering the different amount of teeth per inch I guess the boreal won.
Yes but this makes the silky look better, when it isn't. You fatigue faster using a silky because it only works the forearm. The bowsaw was 30% slower, BUT 30% of it's teeth don't cut, they rake sawdust. You tire a lot slower using a bowsaw. A bowsaw is thinner so less wood is cut from the log which is saved energy.
Yes you will tend to cut slower, but you will be the tortoise that won against the hare, have burned less calories too. Also your bowsaw technique was poor.
So use a chainsaw. Got it.
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its limited by the lumbers radius not diameter
69th comment
I swear I does not matter
Hard pass. I’m just gonna use a chainsaw with a bow bar. I can cut through that log in 5 seconds.
These are folding saws. The whole fucking point is to be compact and portable you fucking retard
@Codrin Micusan he's got a confederate flag in his pfp and fuck joe biden in his name, man's a lost cause
I have the silkie 2000 it's a badass I have the big boy silky
Now Silkyboy 2000 vs Nimbus 2000
Silky done it faster in half the cuts. They only cut on the pull.
Dude, listen just go get you a 1909-1920s warranted superior craftsman hand saw. You just don't need anything else.
Ever used a silky? They are magical
Yo why is the tree medium rare
Fatigued? That was three cuts. Grow a pair
Boreal is way faster if you know how to use it properly!!!