I had to use them at work and the dam belts need to be replaced all the time and the fan keeps getting damaged. Replacing belts takes time and less time to get your job done. They are outdated junk.The motor dies on you after a year .
What about Kirby vacuums? I live in LA, I want to start a business. I don't know what, I'm leaning towards car detailing or pressure washing or even carpet cleaning. I want a Kirby to be part of my gear for some reason ... Would I be able to use it for work?
I clean offices i had a sanitaire for awhile i was changing belts like every 2 weeks i finally convinced them to get my a Windsor sensor xp12 im a happy camper now for sure
I have a Santanaire SC-887 which I retrofitted some years ago with the HD commercial cloth bag, I found the machine discard. It was in pretty good shape, needed a new line cord and fan and the latch adapter which I got locally. In addition, to replacing the handle set. The communicator was clean, carbon brushes did not have much or little wear. From what I can tell it has the older style motor, still going strong.
The other day my family went to a Japanese Hibachi food, very delicious but they were vacuuming near the tables with this machine... I felt bad for that Sanitaire...
We have a traditional Sanitaire vacuum cleaner that we've used in our home for MANY years & we LOVE IT! It cleans very well & we have had no problem changing the belt or the bag!
Those red vacuums are standard for our restaurant chain. Never have issues with them except the occasional belt snap, but we keep about 5 belts handy at all times. Its weird, though, that the wires are still braided on machines made to this day. In fact, edward don & company which is a food service supplier sells a green version of this vacuum on their website.
Sanitaire’s are very popular for commercial use because of how powerful they are. Direct air vacuums are just fine for commercial use, as long as maintained properly and not abused!
Sanitaire 's are mostly popular because of price and distribution. now that they're no longer made in Mexico and their Motors are of extremely poor quality now they've almost ceased to exist in the commercial Market.
Performance Reviews What? I never knew that! That’s very unfortunate. I’ve always loved Sanitaire’s. Especially the older ones with the metal top motor.
Performance Reviews thank you. Looking for a strong vac to clean my grandma's apt wall to wall. Didn't know anything about vacs a week ago not I'm up to direct air! This info about Sanataire is much appreciated!
"classic" technology indeed. I'm a central vac owner, and although I fix up vacs to re-sell, there's NOTHING I've seen that will get me to change away from the CV.. As a kid, we had direct air Hoovers, and I remember the fan changes.
my old work had some of those sanitaire they worked well we couldn't kill them in the hotel, but none of our's looked as rough as those ones. our Oreck didn't live long though
Should I take that to mean that Kirby's no longer have a place in the world? I tried a self-propelled one a few years ago and it was one impressive machine, but it was as out of place as a Mack truck in a small suburban house. I used a non-propelled version in my first job out of high school, and it was a handful, but like any fan-first model, it occasionally broke a blade. The fan-first models were more efficient with power, but I guess their vulnerabilities caught up with them. The first bag-first model I owned was a Regina Housekeeper, factory-refurbished (they all needed a retrofit) for $50 in 1993; it lasted 23 years of fairly rough household use.
I miss the old sanitaire set up. I have to older ones with the metal style motor and they’ve lasted years these cheap and plastics one at work don’t even last a year!
Direct air machines in restaurants are a big no-no. Other settings might be fine, as long as it taken care of. But that won't be the case with most commercial users unfortunately.
Sanitaire cleans fast and is easy to use, but dust leaks from the bag latch area getting into the motor handle screws vibrating loose, plastic cord hooks cracking belts, belts, belts
Michael Mirro the Hoover guardsman is and the old convertibles were built similar to a sanitairs and uses a thicker belt (then again, it’s a deeper groove on the brush), so if you want the power of a Sanitaire with more durability, I would recommend a Hoover Convertible. you’ll see them on eBay all the time - different models and different years. The 80s models are more similar to the guardsman since they use the same motor (but with different amperages depending on the model.) If you do get a convertible, make sure it uses type A bags since you can’t buy type C Hepa Bags (the level of filtration isn’t available for that style
Where I clean I used an old Quick Kleen with the Mexican motor for the quarterly deep clean, I use a Taski Tapitronic 38 for regular cleanings, I bought a Rubbermaid CV12 dirt cheap to replace the old Sanitaire because the chute on the bag has perished and a new bag would cost more than what I paid for the Rubbermaid, the Sanitaire will get fixed one day but it's days of quarterly usage have passed
I sold janitorial for 8 yrs before I retired the last time. We sold quite a few commercial vacs, Advance, Windsor, Sanitaire and another couple I can't remember now. I always recommended full bypass designs, personally the Sanitaires weren't much more than a home vac with a long cord. The hotels loved Sanitaires because they are cheap, they couldn't seem to understand long term costs of using the Sanitaire were higher. I remember one funny, sold several new Windsors to a school, a few days later the supervisor called me and said they didn't have any suction. I started taking one apart right in front of them and it was totally blocked with paper clips and staples, a bunch of paper balled up on that and totally blocked the airflow. Told them their staff needed to pick that stuff up before vacuuming and sold them magnets for the occasional missed one. Super was very embarrassed but I think he got the message through to his staff, I didn't have any more complaints. LOL
My dad did had a sanitaire vacuum and to me I hated it but now he has a windsor versamatic vacuum and I like it 👌. I always like Sebo/Windsor vacuums they're good quality and luxury vacuums
Sanitaire can be good commercial equipment it just depends on what type like for what I use my sc899 for vacuuming halls at my church there not much to harm it but in a restaurant I can agree that’s one of the worst to use a sanitaire in.
I think this is funny i own a sanitaire. I have changed the "belt" once. In 2 years. I use the vac every day. And most of us dont know how to vhange stuff because we dont need to know if we own a business the repairs and refresh is a business write off.
I was looking at a Sanitaire vacuum to use for my workplace. When I saw it had a reusable bag I could not imagine using that at work. My workplace has a 10 to 12 year Riccar. It has a crack in the hose and I think repairing the hose to be the best option for now. My company also wants to buy the cheap generic bags that will bust open. I don't clean for a living although the cleaning company my workplace hired uses our vacuum. It was my boss that thought this one up not me.
You made great points about the vacuum being in the wrong setting. I have always wondered why direct air machines were used for commercial use more from the fans. Don't get me wrong I do love these type of vacuums but in the right setting. For example my main house vacuum is a sanitare vacuum.
I think part of it is janitorial staff isn't trained as much, they're contractors instead of employees, and they have a stricter time crunch now. They try to use one machine for everything. Restaurants used to use those manual sweepers or a broom to pick up food debris from carpet. I never see those anymore. Never see janitors using a broom either, they use these to vacuum the linoleum and tile, which they were never built to do. Then I see cleaning staff vacuuming store entryways with these. No wonder you get so many that have been used on wet surfaces. Customers bringing all the rain and snow in on their shoes. But again, they're contractors. They're told to clean the floor in this time frame, which is a bit different than getting the floor properly clean and making the machine last.
Would you recommend a canister vacuum that would have a power nozzle for carpeting for cleaning homes professionally? 3-5 homes daily. I either find one that is for bear floors or carpet only, and have very limited room in the car.
I didnt know this at all- I wonder what the reason is, its not THAT bad after all. Plus, if your making it illegal to sell shake out bag style vacuums, you would wonder what the reason is for letting bagless stay with how mucky and dusty they are. Doesnt make sense to me. Just seems like an excuse to phase them out if im honest.
Since I’ve been using a 1965 Kirby Dual Sanatronic 50 along with a Dyson DC33 for the past month, all I can say is the Kirby Dual Sanatronic 50 is a bit cleaner when I go to dispose of the dust since it doesn’t fly up or spew when I go to dispose of it completely to the Dyson DC33. Literally all I do with my Kirby Dual Sanatronic 50 is use the scraper to scrape down some of the dirt down into the emptor, give then bag a thorough shaking, then I open the bottom of the emptor up to dispose of the dirt and dust in a small trash bag I put around the emptor before I open it, dispose of the dirt and dust, close the emptor and it’s ready to go when I go to use it next time. Yes, it’s somewhat of a process but again none of the dirt or dust flys up from the trash can when I go to dispose of it plus there’s no filters to deal with that need to be cleaned or replaced on a yearly basis.
People are using these machines inappropriately due to lack of training. My guess is more people are getting silicosis, which is the lung disease caused by breathing too much sand and construction materials.
I saw them vacuuming at target with one nothing but loud noise lots of small crap lots of trash on the floor was trying to chew it up Even some coins got sucked up
Target uses third party contractors to clean their stores. Most big box, grocery, and large department stores like Macy's do. They all use these Sanitaires until they fall apart. It's all about cost effectiveness. I've even seen them vacuuming the restrooms with them if the staff doesn't feel like sweeping instead. They're on crazy time crunches to clean 2-3 stores per day.
I just cleaned up and fixed a Kirby Sentria II that had this same gray goo buildup, it was absolutely disgusting, the fan was chipped up and wouldn't even come clean. It was made in 2014 but it looked 30 years old.
More videos I need help I just a simplicity 6 vacuum from Goodwill for $12 I need help rebuilding it if you can make a basic quick basic maintenance vid on it Thank you for all the videos !!
I'm in the UK and I have the chance to get an Electrolux Sanitaire- Quite rare here so I'm probs gonna add it to the collection Know if they clean any better than Kirby G series machines?
I had no idea those shakeout bags were illegal. I do not like them though either. How do you like the sanitaire eon? Is it made in Germany or China like the Hoover insight?
+Hank's Small Engine Repair unfortunately I have not had a chance to play with that new Senator machine I look forward to getting my hands on. The Hoover Insight was a great idea in theory but the first few revisions were just not right I had several commercial people who bought Fleet to them and ended up exchanging them for SEBO g1
What would you recommend for a church that gets cleaned once a week and has a lot of low pile carpet? I was thinking of the direct air option because of the deep cleaning it can do, and common household vacuums just aren't cutting it.
I have a friend that runs a skate shop, and he uses a Windsor Sensor XP12, it’s built in Germany, built with super good quality plastic and rubber, I like how easy it is to clean brush roller and how you don’t need to replace belts, and it also has super good filtration system, one next to the bag and one on top of the motor, and also like how easy it is to clear clogs and there’s indicator lights that tell you if the head is up or down, and also 2 more that tell you if the bag is full or if the brush roll needs attention, and I also like how quiet it is, I think he made a smart decision, I don’t think a direct air machine would be able to survive in that environment
What would you recommend for a hotel? We use the Sanitaires, which supposedly last for 2000 hours. I haven't really checked if they last that long, but they seem decent. But like you mentioned the maintenance is an annoyance. The Windors or Sebos go for $500-$600 vs the Sanitaire 7 AMP models that go for around $200, including the HEPA filter bag ones. I don't know if the extra costs are worth it if they don't last much longer than the Sanitaire vacuums. Do they significantly outlast the Sanitaire vacuums?
Sebo/Windsor vacuums are very popular in hotels and would be a good choice. The Sanitaires are good cleaners but the new motors are not what the old ones were. The extra money you spend on a Sebo will be worth it in the long run. I'm a fan of direct air vacs but I also own a Sebo and I love it.
@@mhtube01 It's been a long time, but I hope you're still able to reply. Which Sebo/Windsor would you recommend for a hotel? I've seen the Sebo Dart/Karcher CV300, but would that be appropriate? Or would you recommend the Windsor S12/Sebo Essential which I've actually seen at hotels? I don't really know the key differences between the different vacuums. The Karcher CV300 is about $200 cheaper than the Windsor S12, but I'm not sure if going with the cheaper vacuum will end up biting me long term. These would mainly be used on low pile carpet.
@@jpexplorer7752 I would definitely go for the S12. Those are the models that you see in hotels and are designed for that use. The Dart/Felix is a cool vacuum but I think the S12 is a more rugged design and more powerful.
Please help! I work in a cat adoption center for ill cats and need a wet/dry vac to make sure everything is clean. We bleach the floors of the living quarters and rinse with water daily. We currently use wet vacs and they die about every 2 months, which is not cost effective. What would you recommend for the job the facility is 60 x 60 and we need to clean daily 2 times to keep everything sanitary.Thank you!!!
Universem2 get a RIGID wet/dry vacuum from Home Depot and register for the lifetime warranty. I strongly recommend the model with the motor on the bottom.
But that sebo does bot clean as well. I agree with you, this machine is not for restaurant use. I have this sanitaire and it is an excellent machine. There is nothing like that sanitaire.
I can see your point to some extent but don't fully agree. I'm a carpet cleaning technician and sell my time. I'm looking for performance and bag economy and I don't get that with the clean fan machines. To each their own.
Can you use a Kirby or royal for a house cleaning business? Is this good or bad and will it last. I am very mechanical so i can do the maintenance.. What do you recommend. I have used machines like the seba but it is always clogging on me.
Well if a SEBO is getting clogged that means you didn't unclog it or you sucked up something big you shouldn't have. That would be a universal issue would it matter which vacuum you used. You would definitely kill a royal or a Kirby way too fast in a house cleaning business. Not to mention all the extra Expendables. Maybe try and Nilfisk or a lindhaus
I just purchased our second Sanitaire, exactly like the one in your video. First one lasted 8 years. Used for about one hour per day, to vacuum rug runners in a machine shop. I buy belts ten at a time and pulleys every couple years. The metal chips destroy the belts, and the belts destroy the pulleys when the brush rolls stall. The motor is insanely loud, and the shake out bag is disgusting, but I can't imagine any other machine taking the abuse, or working faster. These Sanitaires replaced a Royal, that lasted at least ten years performing the same function in the same environment. The fan in that unit was worn to half its original thickness by the sandblasting effect of the metal chips it collected. I refurbished that monster and sold it on. It was also REALLY loud. I'd love to know what would be the best replacement for the Sanitaire? It's only $150 VS a several hundred dollar Royal. Our CEO insists on using a Dyson in the front offices. What a worthless, piece of plastic junk! I have to replace parts in that thing as often as the Sanitaire, and they cost a helluva lot more.
I guess direct vacuum means all the intake goes thru a fan without prior filtration and the motor does not cool on this air flow. In the distant passed I had a leaf vacuum that work on this principle. Can't recall what I ever did with it, never liked the design.
Hey Performance Reviews I have a Force model Sanitaire Vacuum Cleaner and I use it for Residential use so maybe you should recommend people in the Commercial Setting get Force model Sanitaires Bag and Bagless!
I like direct air vacuums best but if i worked in a commercial environment i would use a kirby despite the weight because the fan is virtually unbreakable and the belts last longer than sanitaire
Thing is with direct air vacuums vs isolated motor vacs is u are limited to what u can pick up if u pick up something big with a direct air motor it’ll break that fan
@@kingbong5529 I sucked up a huge 15/16 nut from under a bed with my kirby hose and it survived. The fan is made of amodel plastic which is very durable but regardless one should still watch out for big items
What about bissells for commercial use? Alot of hotels i stay at on vacation use Wal-Mart branded vacuums. Most of them use powerforces and most don't even last a year.
Im a carpet cleaner, Not a big fan on bags i like to see what i pick up. Thinking of getting a workhorse as i see alot of carpet cleaners use on utube. What your opinion on this Vaccum. Thanks
I think maybe the best 2 direct air vacuums for commercial use are the Royal and the similar-to-a-sanitaire Hoover Guardsman (as long it is not a dirt cup model). The hoover, despite its less aggressive brush and plastic base plate, actually has a thicker round belt than the sanitaire, so it will last longer. Maybe if someone were to buy it and swap out the 2 row brush for a beater brush from a convertible a slap a steel baseplate on it it could last longer, though. I've heard great and not so great about the guardsman machines, but the reviews are all in regards to the more recent made in china models, so I've yet to hear someone's input on the pre tti guardsman machines from the 90's and 2000's. The fan is made of lexan, and i'm not certain what type of plastic is used for the sanitaire fans, so the hoover may have a maore durable fan. The royal on the other hand does not use a round belt so it is less prone to breakage, and the fan is metal so it is much less prone to breakage (in terms of durability, I say it may be evenly matched with kirby's virtually indestructible kevlar fans). The royal, model depending, also has the adjust-o-rite to help avoid guessing if the machine is at the correct height. the filtration it has could be the best of all commercial direct air vacuums (but when looking at all direct air vacuums, kirby is the winner).
@@EliGaffkeshakeout bags are not good for air at all, those don’t really filter well, if Sanitaires were still good today I would just get an SC688 or SC888 (they come with disposable filtration bags)
It makes perfect sense but until fifteen or twenty years ago all that most restaurantures had few choices. Most of us had only Hoover Convertibles, and Eureka and Sanitaire Dial-a-Nap models to choose from. I went to a Kirby dealer and bought a used one. It picked up a stack of pancakes in one gulp and didn't slow down. Much better than the other two that just spit them back out. Have you seen the new Hoover Commercial Insight that's based on the Sebo G1. I'd like to hear your take on it. m.ua-cam.com/video/LxiO92lPT-E/v-deo.html
I had bad luck with the insight a couple years ago when we sold a few fleet's. Ended up replacing them with sebo for the customer. If they fix the issues the Insight had it's a really solid design physically but the circuit board and wiring issues would keep me from buying them. The Hoover hushtone 13 + is an awesome machine and I would highly recommend that to somebody on the budget.
Okay so here's my question so what is the best vacuum to buy for residential use.. I have in Eureka sanitaire it's the blue line is that okay for residential
Would you recommend something like a Oreck or a Tacony (a direct air model) over a Sanitare like the one in the video for commercial use or would they perform about the same? I know a bypass is much better, I’m just curious.
Surprising decision considering it’s bagless. I saw one that Hoover used to make that were two conquests put together to make a wide area vac-interesting machine.
Use some of there their models are that price. Things like a windsor or kircher version are much less. At the time of filming most Sanitares where $350-500
At the time of filming Sanitaire were sold for $400-$600 $350. Is now the typical price of a commercial unit from Karcher. These dump bag sanitaries are also illegal to use on the job site in 2020.
is an old kirby a better built vacuum, its also what would be considered direct air. what if someone where to use an old kirby in a commercial environment. im talking kirby tradition thru kirby legend II..... the pre-generation machines, the simpler machines. i have a tradition, a heritage, and a generation six. i know they dont use that round style belt.
wow , who are buying these junkies? I am a Chinese , I haven't seen these junk ever! In China ,we use cylinder type vancum or the dyson liked vacuums . even the upright vancum that is popular in usa just never be seen!
This Vacuum is made for the US market . I've been in an appliance store in China it's quite amazing all the options that are available Volwerk,Miele, Panasonic,TEK,Dyson .
@@呵呵呵呵-l6i In Taiwan upright machines are common. Dyson's are common here but not as common as a Hoover. Bagged machines are more popular than bag less ones. My relative has an old Hoover Elite II that still works today. Sanitare's sold in Taiwan cost around 150 USD.
Taiwan has 120VAC/60Hz current like the US and US style wall plugs so you can run US style vacuums in Taiwan with no changes. China is 240/50 and has a unique wall plug so you have to want to sell your product there and built it to work there. The European companies already build machines for their own 240/50 systems so only the plug has to change. Not so for a US company trying to see vacuums in China. Might not be worth it if the sales volumes aren't there.
Kirby's are more of a retro collector's item at this point. Definitely wouldn't recommend one for commercial use. But if you're on a budget and someone used it might make a good first vacuum.
I have a similar sanitair for work, and it's lost suction. It's a terrible commercial vacuum and requires tons of service to keep it going. Bought a bagless so I don't have to deal with breathing he dirt, paying for bags and also belts, it was half the price of this and just walks this vacuum.
What about *price*? The full-size Sebos start at $549, whereas the cheapest Sanitaire is about $169, up to about $550 for the priciest, whereas the priciest Sebo is almost $1100. I can see why people buy the Sanitaires.
That's an interesting point now that Bissell owns Sanitaire. Originally these machines sold for $500 . Now the pricing is a little different. There is also a Sanitaire knock off of the SEBO for about $300
I had to use them at work and the dam belts need to be replaced all the time and the fan keeps getting damaged. Replacing belts takes time and less time to get your job done. They are outdated junk.The motor dies on you after a year .
I have been in the cleaning business for 35+ years love the sanitar vacuum have very few problems. Good maintenance is key
What about Kirby vacuums? I live in LA, I want to start a business. I don't know what, I'm leaning towards car detailing or pressure washing or even carpet cleaning. I want a Kirby to be part of my gear for some reason ... Would I be able to use it for work?
@@fightsandfinance7570 Get a Sebo.
@@fightsandfinance7570 they aren’t commercial machines there for home use so no
@@fightsandfinance7570stay away from them. They’re much too heavy and you’re gonna want something like a sebo or Windsor
I clean offices i had a sanitaire for awhile i was changing belts like every 2 weeks i finally convinced them to get my a Windsor sensor xp12 im a happy camper now for sure
I use a sebo essential g2 and while I do love it! The sanitair is a way better deep cleaner.
I have a Santanaire SC-887 which I retrofitted some years ago with the HD commercial cloth bag, I found the machine discard. It was in pretty good shape, needed a new line cord and fan and the latch adapter which I got locally. In addition, to replacing the handle set. The communicator was clean, carbon brushes did not have much or little wear. From what I can tell it has the older style motor, still going strong.
I like them how all the dirt and debris goes on the fan so I don’t have to deal with clogged filter or dust going through the motors
The other day my family went to a Japanese Hibachi food, very delicious but they were vacuuming near the tables with this machine... I felt bad for that Sanitaire...
We have a traditional Sanitaire vacuum cleaner that we've used in our home for MANY years & we LOVE IT! It cleans very well & we have had no problem changing the belt or the bag!
Those red vacuums are standard for our restaurant chain. Never have issues with them except the occasional belt snap, but we keep about 5 belts handy at all times. Its weird, though, that the wires are still braided on machines made to this day. In fact, edward don & company which is a food service supplier sells a green version of this vacuum on their website.
Sanitaire’s are very popular for commercial use because of how powerful they are. Direct air vacuums are just fine for commercial use, as long as maintained properly and not abused!
Sanitaire 's are mostly popular because of price and distribution. now that they're no longer made in Mexico and their Motors are of extremely poor quality now they've almost ceased to exist in the commercial Market.
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What? I never knew that! That’s very unfortunate. I’ve always loved Sanitaire’s. Especially the older ones with the metal top motor.
Performance Reviews thank you. Looking for a strong vac to clean my grandma's apt wall to wall. Didn't know anything about vacs a week ago not I'm up to direct air! This info about Sanataire is much appreciated!
I guess you measure "power" differently than most.
That and all parts on this model especially are replaceable, and easily accessible
"classic" technology indeed. I'm a central vac owner, and although I fix up vacs to re-sell, there's NOTHING I've seen that will get me to change away from the CV.. As a kid, we had direct air Hoovers, and I remember the fan changes.
Yeah, we use the Windsor sensor XP12 and have had them for awhile, good vacuums and very easy to service.
I love the way how these vacuums. It is like they came out of a different century
I do own a Sanitaire sc684 heavy duty commercial vacuum cleaner to cleaned the house with. I restore it myself.
my old work had some of those sanitaire they worked well we couldn't kill them in the hotel, but none of our's looked as rough as those ones. our Oreck didn't live long though
Should I take that to mean that Kirby's no longer have a place in the world? I tried a self-propelled one a few years ago and it was one impressive machine, but it was as out of place as a Mack truck in a small suburban house. I used a non-propelled version in my first job out of high school, and it was a handful, but like any fan-first model, it occasionally broke a blade. The fan-first models were more efficient with power, but I guess their vulnerabilities caught up with them. The first bag-first model I owned was a Regina Housekeeper, factory-refurbished (they all needed a retrofit) for $50 in 1993; it lasted 23 years of fairly rough household use.
I miss the old sanitaire set up. I have to older ones with the metal style motor and they’ve lasted years these cheap and plastics one at work don’t even last a year!
henriquesousa7 interesting because a guy at a vacuum shop said he has never seen one of the newer motors go out yet.
@@kg5vacuums205 I use them every night and I have never had any issues either.
Direct air machines in restaurants are a big no-no. Other settings might be fine, as long as it taken care of. But that won't be the case with most commercial users unfortunately.
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Yes they are. I hate those things. Very poorly made.
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Talk to your local vacuum shop about a Miele, Windsor, or a Sebo. Not very cheap but well worth the cost.
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All I can say now is keep your eyes peeled and hope your mom will cooperate
Sanitaire cleans fast and is easy to use, but dust leaks from the bag latch area getting into the motor
handle screws vibrating loose, plastic cord hooks cracking
belts, belts, belts
Michael Mirro the Hoover guardsman is and the old convertibles were built similar to a sanitairs and uses a thicker belt (then again, it’s a deeper groove on the brush), so if you want the power of a Sanitaire with more durability, I would recommend a Hoover Convertible. you’ll see them on eBay all the time - different models and different years. The 80s models are more similar to the guardsman since they use the same motor (but with different amperages depending on the model.) If you do get a convertible, make sure it uses type A bags since you can’t buy type C Hepa Bags (the level of filtration isn’t available for that style
Where I clean I used an old Quick Kleen with the Mexican motor for the quarterly deep clean, I use a Taski Tapitronic 38 for regular cleanings, I bought a Rubbermaid CV12 dirt cheap to replace the old Sanitaire because the chute on the bag has perished and a new bag would cost more than what I paid for the Rubbermaid, the Sanitaire will get fixed one day but it's days of quarterly usage have passed
I sold janitorial for 8 yrs before I retired the last time. We sold quite a few commercial vacs, Advance, Windsor, Sanitaire and another couple I can't remember now. I always recommended full bypass designs, personally the Sanitaires weren't much more than a home vac with a long cord. The hotels loved Sanitaires because they are cheap, they couldn't seem to understand long term costs of using the Sanitaire were higher. I remember one funny, sold several new Windsors to a school, a few days later the supervisor called me and said they didn't have any suction. I started taking one apart right in front of them and it was totally blocked with paper clips and staples, a bunch of paper balled up on that and totally blocked the airflow. Told them their staff needed to pick that stuff up before vacuuming and sold them magnets for the occasional missed one. Super was very embarrassed but I think he got the message through to his staff, I didn't have any more complaints. LOL
My dad did had a sanitaire vacuum and to me I hated it but now he has a windsor versamatic vacuum and I like it 👌. I always like Sebo/Windsor vacuums they're good quality and luxury vacuums
Sanitaire can be good commercial equipment it just depends on what type like for what I use my sc899 for vacuuming halls at my church there not much to harm it but in a restaurant I can agree that’s one of the worst to use a sanitaire in.
KG5Vacuums a collectors always going to take care of a machine. Most hired help will not.
I think this is funny i own a sanitaire. I have changed the "belt" once. In 2 years. I use the vac every day. And most of us dont know how to vhange stuff because we dont need to know if we own a business the repairs and refresh is a business write off.
#dirtyfloors
I was looking at a Sanitaire vacuum to use for my workplace. When I saw it had a reusable bag I could not imagine using that at work. My workplace has a 10 to 12 year Riccar. It has a crack in the hose and I think repairing the hose to be the best option for now. My company also wants to buy the cheap generic bags that will bust open. I don't clean for a living although the cleaning company my workplace hired uses our vacuum. It was my boss that thought this one up not me.
You made great points about the vacuum being in the wrong setting. I have always wondered why direct air machines were used for commercial use more from the fans. Don't get me wrong I do love these type of vacuums but in the right setting. For example my main house vacuum is a sanitare vacuum.
I always wondered why dirty fan vacuums were used for commercial use
Sanitaire vacuums are awesome.
I think part of it is janitorial staff isn't trained as much, they're contractors instead of employees, and they have a stricter time crunch now. They try to use one machine for everything. Restaurants used to use those manual sweepers or a broom to pick up food debris from carpet. I never see those anymore. Never see janitors using a broom either, they use these to vacuum the linoleum and tile, which they were never built to do.
Then I see cleaning staff vacuuming store entryways with these. No wonder you get so many that have been used on wet surfaces. Customers bringing all the rain and snow in on their shoes. But again, they're contractors. They're told to clean the floor in this time frame, which is a bit different than getting the floor properly clean and making the machine last.
I’m at work watching this. Imagine my surprise when I notice your at the same work bench and the same room I’m currently standing in.
How's working for Haz?🤣
It’s good even tho traffic at this location is painfully slow. I don’t do repairs, they’re all done in Englewood now.
what do you think of the proteam 1500 xp? saw them in use at my hospital ED so figured should work for our larger home. love it so far.
👍 If you can handle the weigh they are GTG.
I have the tradition model and it does so good on my rugs
Would you recommend a canister vacuum that would have a power nozzle for carpeting for cleaning homes professionally? 3-5 homes daily. I either find one that is for bear floors or carpet only, and have very limited room in the car.
Sebo E3 , perfect Vacuums are good too.
When you say certain states are now outlawing the sale of machines with shake-out bags, I wonder if Oregon is one of those states?
I didnt know this at all- I wonder what the reason is, its not THAT bad after all. Plus, if your making it illegal to sell shake out bag style vacuums, you would wonder what the reason is for letting bagless stay with how mucky and dusty they are. Doesnt make sense to me. Just seems like an excuse to phase them out if im honest.
Since I’ve been using a 1965 Kirby Dual Sanatronic 50 along with a Dyson DC33 for the past month, all I can say is the Kirby Dual Sanatronic 50 is a bit cleaner when I go to dispose of the dust since it doesn’t fly up or spew when I go to dispose of it completely to the Dyson DC33. Literally all I do with my Kirby Dual Sanatronic 50 is use the scraper to scrape down some of the dirt down into the emptor, give then bag a thorough shaking, then I open the bottom of the emptor up to dispose of the dirt and dust in a small trash bag I put around the emptor before I open it, dispose of the dirt and dust, close the emptor and it’s ready to go when I go to use it next time. Yes, it’s somewhat of a process but again none of the dirt or dust flys up from the trash can when I go to dispose of it plus there’s no filters to deal with that need to be cleaned or replaced on a yearly basis.
People are using these machines inappropriately due to lack of training. My guess is more people are getting silicosis, which is the lung disease caused by breathing too much sand and construction materials.
One filters the air, is easier to work on, and doesn't break as often. Which one has better suction?
The clean Air vacuums have significantly more suction.
I saw them vacuuming at target with one nothing but loud noise lots of small crap lots of trash on the floor was trying to chew it up Even some coins got sucked up
Target uses third party contractors to clean their stores. Most big box, grocery, and large department stores like Macy's do. They all use these Sanitaires until they fall apart. It's all about cost effectiveness. I've even seen them vacuuming the restrooms with them if the staff doesn't feel like sweeping instead. They're on crazy time crunches to clean 2-3 stores per day.
That poor Sanitaire
I just cleaned up and fixed a Kirby Sentria II that had this same gray goo buildup, it was absolutely disgusting, the fan was chipped up and wouldn't even come clean. It was made in 2014 but it looked 30 years old.
More videos I need help I just a simplicity 6 vacuum from Goodwill for $12 I need help rebuilding it if you can make a basic quick basic maintenance vid on it
Thank you for all the videos !!
I'll be read releasing those Simplicity videos so stay tuned. Beco1987 might have it on his channel
@@PerformanceReviewsThe Hoover Hushtone will gobble these up
I'm in the UK and I have the chance to get an Electrolux Sanitaire- Quite rare here so I'm probs gonna add it to the collection
Know if they clean any better than Kirby G series machines?
+Parwaz 786 honestly if the belt is fresh clean about the same if not a little better.
I had no idea those shakeout bags were illegal. I do not like them though either. How do you like the sanitaire eon? Is it made in Germany or China like the Hoover insight?
+Hank's Small Engine Repair unfortunately I have not had a chance to play with that new Senator machine I look forward to getting my hands on. The Hoover Insight was a great idea in theory but the first few revisions were just not right I had several commercial people who bought Fleet to them and ended up exchanging them for SEBO g1
What would you recommend for a church that gets cleaned once a week and has a lot of low pile carpet? I was thinking of the direct air option because of the deep cleaning it can do, and common household vacuums just aren't cutting it.
I would definitely consider a SEBO g1 or g2 there are also some karcher and Windsor options. Links in the description
Our church has a Karcher Tornado and that thing is a piece of crap.
By-pass vacuum-cleaners do not have close to the suction that the Sanitaire has!
You're correct but not in the way you're thinking. Most bypass machines have 2x-3x the suction power. With about the same amount of air flow.
We use these vacuums at my job and I absolutely HATE them. Replacing belts constantly...
I have a friend that runs a skate shop, and he uses a Windsor Sensor XP12, it’s built in Germany, built with super good quality plastic and rubber,
I like how easy it is to clean brush roller and how you don’t need to replace belts, and it also has super good filtration system, one next to the bag and one on top of the motor, and also like how easy it is to clear clogs and there’s indicator lights that tell you if the head is up or down, and also 2 more that tell you if the bag is full or if the brush roll needs attention, and I also like how quiet it is, I think he made a smart decision, I don’t think a direct air machine would be able to survive in that environment
What would you recommend for a hotel? We use the Sanitaires, which supposedly last for 2000 hours. I haven't really checked if they last that long, but they seem decent. But like you mentioned the maintenance is an annoyance. The Windors or Sebos go for $500-$600 vs the Sanitaire 7 AMP models that go for around $200, including the HEPA filter bag ones. I don't know if the extra costs are worth it if they don't last much longer than the Sanitaire vacuums. Do they significantly outlast the Sanitaire vacuums?
Sebo/Windsor vacuums are very popular in hotels and would be a good choice. The Sanitaires are good cleaners but the new motors are not what the old ones were. The extra money you spend on a Sebo will be worth it in the long run. I'm a fan of direct air vacs but I also own a Sebo and I love it.
@@mhtube01 It's been a long time, but I hope you're still able to reply. Which Sebo/Windsor would you recommend for a hotel? I've seen the Sebo Dart/Karcher CV300, but would that be appropriate? Or would you recommend the Windsor S12/Sebo Essential which I've actually seen at hotels? I don't really know the key differences between the different vacuums. The Karcher CV300 is about $200 cheaper than the Windsor S12, but I'm not sure if going with the cheaper vacuum will end up biting me long term. These would mainly be used on low pile carpet.
@@jpexplorer7752 I would definitely go for the S12. Those are the models that you see in hotels and are designed for that use. The Dart/Felix is a cool vacuum but I think the S12 is a more rugged design and more powerful.
I bet the cord changes quickly right there even if you didn't run over it.
(Not that it would be needed yet.)
That looks like target store carpet where do u find that carpet its looks aesthetic ykwis
Please help! I work in a cat adoption center for ill cats and need a wet/dry vac to make sure everything is clean. We bleach the floors of the living quarters and rinse with water daily. We currently use wet vacs and they die about every 2 months, which is not cost effective. What would you recommend for the job the facility is 60 x 60 and we need to clean daily 2 times to keep everything sanitary.Thank you!!!
get a used Rainbow E2. its a wet/dry canister hybrid. compant has been around 60years
Universem2 get a RIGID wet/dry vacuum from Home Depot and register for the lifetime warranty. I strongly recommend the model with the motor on the bottom.
Do you know of a good after market belt for the 16” sanitaire? The vac quality went down a bit when TTI bought them, now sold too bissell
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But that sebo does bot clean as well. I agree with you, this machine is not for restaurant use. I have this sanitaire and it is an excellent machine. There is nothing like that sanitaire.
Sanitaire vacuums are definitely cheaper now.
2015 and it's still that super-old style? Why?
Hey performance reviews, that sanitaire sc886 that was made in 2015 dead? If I were to plug that thing in, would it burn out?
I can see your point to some extent but don't fully agree.
I'm a carpet cleaning technician and sell my time. I'm looking for performance and bag economy and I don't get that with the clean fan machines. To each their own.
You can definitely get cleaner machines that outperform this easily and with economy bags.
Recommendations for 7000 sqft of Astro turf for dog training and I’d prefer bagless
Can you use a Kirby or royal for a house cleaning business? Is this good or bad and will it last. I am very mechanical so i can do the maintenance.. What do you recommend. I have used machines like the seba but it is always clogging on me.
Well if a SEBO is getting clogged that means you didn't unclog it or you sucked up something big you shouldn't have. That would be a universal issue would it matter which vacuum you used. You would definitely kill a royal or a Kirby way too fast in a house cleaning business. Not to mention all the extra Expendables. Maybe try and Nilfisk or a lindhaus
Problem is sebo offers no commercial warranty
That's dependent on the dealer. But there's a reason that Windsor and Karcher machines are made for commercial clientele
I just purchased our second Sanitaire, exactly like the one in your video. First one lasted 8 years. Used for about one hour per day, to vacuum rug runners in a machine shop. I buy belts ten at a time and pulleys every couple years. The metal chips destroy the belts, and the belts destroy the pulleys when the brush rolls stall. The motor is insanely loud, and the shake out bag is disgusting, but I can't imagine any other machine taking the abuse, or working faster.
These Sanitaires replaced a Royal, that lasted at least ten years performing the same function in the same environment. The fan in that unit was worn to half its original thickness by the sandblasting effect of the metal chips it collected. I refurbished that monster and sold it on. It was also REALLY loud.
I'd love to know what would be the best replacement for the Sanitaire? It's only $150 VS a several hundred dollar Royal. Our CEO insists on using a Dyson in the front offices. What a worthless, piece of plastic junk! I have to replace parts in that thing as often as the Sanitaire, and they cost a helluva lot more.
If you're vacuuming up metal, is it possible to install a magnetic strip onto the bumper to catch those pieces?
I guess direct vacuum means all the intake goes thru a fan without prior filtration and the motor does not cool on this air flow. In the distant passed I had a leaf vacuum that work on this principle. Can't recall what I ever did with it, never liked the design.
You're on the right track, but theirs actually another fan that cools the motor.
Hey Performance Reviews I have a Force model Sanitaire Vacuum Cleaner and I use it for Residential use so maybe you should recommend people in the Commercial Setting get Force model Sanitaires Bag and Bagless!
Can't say I'd recommend that either. ua-cam.com/video/jqLokBRjpBM/v-deo.html
I like direct air vacuums best but if i worked in a commercial environment i would use a kirby despite the weight because the fan is virtually unbreakable and the belts last longer than sanitaire
Thing is with direct air vacuums vs isolated motor vacs is u are limited to what u can pick up if u pick up something big with a direct air motor it’ll break that fan
@@kingbong5529 I sucked up a huge 15/16 nut from under a bed with my kirby hose and it survived. The fan is made of amodel plastic which is very durable but regardless one should still watch out for big items
What about bissells for commercial use?
Alot of hotels i stay at on vacation use Wal-Mart branded vacuums. Most of them use powerforces and most don't even last a year.
Im a carpet cleaner, Not a big fan on bags i like to see what i pick up. Thinking of getting a workhorse as i see alot of carpet cleaners use on utube. What your opinion on this Vaccum. Thanks
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I think maybe the best 2 direct air vacuums for commercial use are the Royal and the similar-to-a-sanitaire Hoover Guardsman (as long it is not a dirt cup model).
The hoover, despite its less aggressive brush and plastic base plate, actually has a thicker round belt than the sanitaire, so it will last longer. Maybe if someone were to buy it and swap out the 2 row brush for a beater brush from a convertible a slap a steel baseplate on it it could last longer, though. I've heard great and not so great about the guardsman machines, but the reviews are all in regards to the more recent made in china models, so I've yet to hear someone's input on the pre tti guardsman machines from the 90's and 2000's. The fan is made of lexan, and i'm not certain what type of plastic is used for the sanitaire fans, so the hoover may have a maore durable fan.
The royal on the other hand does not use a round belt so it is less prone to breakage, and the fan is metal so it is much less prone to breakage (in terms of durability, I say it may be evenly matched with kirby's virtually indestructible kevlar fans). The royal, model depending, also has the adjust-o-rite to help avoid guessing if the machine is at the correct height. the filtration it has could be the best of all commercial direct air vacuums (but when looking at all direct air vacuums, kirby is the winner).
My shake out bag is blowing dust out the top where it slides in. Should I just replace the bag or the clip?
You should not be using a ShakeOut bag to begin with. If you're using a place of business you're breaking so many laws.
@@PerformanceReviews really? Why? That's all the hotel has pretty much. They do have 2 that have a hard plastic case on bottom.
@@EliGaffkeshakeout bags are not good for air at all, those don’t really filter well, if Sanitaires were still good today I would just get an SC688 or SC888 (they come with disposable filtration bags)
@@EP05They sell a model with a dust cup too. You just lose the bottom cord hook when you go that route.
@@justinstandifer604 oh I know about those, aren’t those just as bad or worse than the shakeout bags?
Looks like a Hoover convertible
Direct air vacuums should have the outer bag decorated with anime
Embroider or screen print a custom-made bag let's see it happen
It makes perfect sense but until fifteen or twenty years ago all that most restaurantures had few choices. Most of us had only Hoover Convertibles, and Eureka and Sanitaire Dial-a-Nap models to choose from. I went to a Kirby dealer and bought a used one. It picked up a stack of pancakes in one gulp and didn't slow down. Much better than the other two that just spit them back out. Have you seen the new Hoover Commercial Insight that's based on the Sebo G1. I'd like to hear your take on it.
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I had bad luck with the insight a couple years ago when we sold a few fleet's. Ended up replacing them with sebo for the customer. If they fix the issues the Insight had it's a really solid design physically but the circuit board and wiring issues would keep me from buying them. The Hoover hushtone 13 + is an awesome machine and I would highly recommend that to somebody on the budget.
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Okay so here's my question so what is the best vacuum to buy for residential use.. I have in Eureka sanitaire it's the blue line is that okay for residential
Kirby is the best for residential use hands down. it's versatile, it's durable, it's US made, it's easy to maintain, and it is all around AWESOME!
B Sanchez It doesn’t matter so much as to where the bags are made as it does for the machine.
Would you recommend something like a Oreck or a Tacony (a direct air model) over a Sanitare like the one in the video for commercial use or would they perform about the same? I know a bypass is much better, I’m just curious.
For commercial use if I had to go direct air I'd go with the Hoover conquest.
Surprising decision considering it’s bagless. I saw one that Hoover used to make that were two conquests put together to make a wide area vac-interesting machine.
Sebo vacs are $700+ and I can buy 5 Sanitaires like mine for that price or 14 of my backup Bissel models.
Use some of there their models are that price. Things like a windsor or kircher version are much less. At the time of filming most Sanitares where $350-500
will hoover convertable belts fit this or the other way around?
No
whats the best way to put a fan Cover gasket on without it always coming off!!!
Left off one lil teeny tiny thing. That Sebo is $700, the Sanitaire is about $130 if it’s the 679..
At the time of filming Sanitaire were sold for $400-$600
$350. Is now the typical price of a commercial unit from Karcher. These dump bag sanitaries are also illegal to use on the job site in 2020.
Obviously not a 679. I stand corrected ty!
In what states@@PerformanceReviews
What type and brand of sweeper that would be good for using with bonnet carpet cleaning
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If u dont recomend direct air vacs why recomend kirbys since they are direct air
When have I recommended the Kirby ever?
@@PerformanceReviews i just know other ppl have recomended kirbys do u recomend them as well
Nope
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what would be a good commercial vacuum that is around $500.
Windsor /Karcher , nilfisk uv500 , Hoover hushtone+
is an old kirby a better built vacuum, its also what would be considered direct air. what if someone where to use an old kirby in a commercial environment. im talking kirby tradition thru kirby legend II..... the pre-generation machines, the simpler machines.
i have a tradition, a heritage, and a generation six. i know they dont use that round style belt.
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On the other hand, that Sanitare just looks caked with dust.
wow , who are buying these junkies?
I am a Chinese , I haven't seen these junk ever! In China ,we use cylinder type vancum or the dyson liked vacuums . even the upright vancum that is popular in usa just never be seen!
This Vacuum is made for the US market . I've been in an appliance store in China it's quite amazing all the options that are available Volwerk,Miele, Panasonic,TEK,Dyson .
@@PerformanceReviews so, how much is these direct air junk cost to buy ?
@@呵呵呵呵-l6i In Taiwan upright machines are common. Dyson's are common here but not as common as a Hoover. Bagged machines are more popular than bag less ones. My relative has an old Hoover Elite II that still works today. Sanitare's sold in Taiwan cost around 150 USD.
Taiwan has 120VAC/60Hz current like the US and US style wall plugs so you can run US style vacuums in Taiwan with no changes. China is 240/50 and has a unique wall plug so you have to want to sell your product there and built it to work there. The European companies already build machines for their own 240/50 systems so only the plug has to change. Not so for a US company trying to see vacuums in China. Might not be worth it if the sales volumes aren't there.
Who still has carpet in a restaurant?
What is direct air and by pass?
See video
Are Kirby’s good to use or are they bad too
Kirby's are more of a retro collector's item at this point. Definitely wouldn't recommend one for commercial use. But if you're on a budget and someone used it might make a good first vacuum.
Thanks
How does the sebo work without a belt?
"No belt to change" is different from not having a belt all together. Feel free to see my video on a SEBO G1 repair service for details.
Do you recommend the Kirby legend 2
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You recommend that heritage ll
I have a similar sanitair for work, and it's lost suction. It's a terrible commercial vacuum and requires tons of service to keep it going. Bought a bagless so I don't have to deal with breathing he dirt, paying for bags and also belts, it was half the price of this and just walks this vacuum.
Bypass clog
What about *price*? The full-size Sebos start at $549, whereas the cheapest Sanitaire is about $169, up to about $550 for the priciest, whereas the priciest Sebo is almost $1100. I can see why people buy the Sanitaires.
That's an interesting point now that Bissell owns Sanitaire. Originally these machines sold for $500 . Now the pricing is a little different. There is also a Sanitaire knock off of the SEBO for about $300
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