Bob B and Pete C, have been around for a long time and both have their place in history, for using very different approaches to achieve the results many pro players have utilized. Rock on!!!
This is a wonderful rig setup. I hope to someday get a rig set up something akin to this. Thanks for the vid. I will definitely work with Bob after seeing this.
That is almost correct. You are correct that the rack doesn't have any power amps or preamps in it, however; the rack houses more than just effects. The rack also contains a CAE- Custom Audio Controller (Switching System), CAE- Custom Line Mixer, CAE (Amp Selector-- V.1), CAE Power Supply -- On the pedal Tray), Power Conditioners, MIDI Solutions Quad-Thru Box, and a Tuner.
amp selector has up to 4 amp heads connected, to it but only one can be in use at a time. in this video only the marshall head is connected. amp selector taps a line level signal from selected amp to feed effects, and then all effects are summed in a mixer and feeds the main left and right output jacks on the front of the rack, to stereo power amp/cabs selector simultaneously passes the dry speaker output from selected amp to the dry output jack on the rack, so connect dry cab to that output
What is confusing to you? It's a w/d/w rig. Basically there are 6 pedals- all routed in front of whichever (1 of 4) amps I have selected. Whichever amp is selected (via the amp selector) has it's signal also dropped down to a line level signal which feeds the rack processors (there are 5)-- which are the "wet" portion of the rig. It's all controlled via MIDI
hehehehe.... It really is easy to utilize the rig. I mean-- it's 6 pedals and 4 processors, running a multiple amp rig (I run 4 heads, one at a time). ALL pedals are routed in front of whichever amp is selected, and the signal from whichever amp is selected, is routed to the same cabinet. The signal is also bumped down to a Line level signal, and feeds the rack from the pre/ and power section of whichever amp is selected.
The GCP has it's limitations too, and is not all that friendly if you need to send anything other than PC messages. The Liquid foot is a very feature filled unit, as is the Axess FX-1. The RS10, while lacking features of the Liquid foot and FX-1-- is bullet proof, and works great for me. My $.02
No... there are (3) cabinets TOTAL (Left- Wet, Middle Dry, Right Wet). Each selected head (1 of 4) powers the same middle dry cabinet (one at a time) via the amp selector.. The Wet signal (L/R) is powered by a stereo power amp-- which feeds (2) cabinets. There is only 1 power amp
I prefer to NOT grab the handles for lifting the case-- w/ my feet. It hurts my toes. I love the fact that the rack has casters, which allow me to walk by myself, pushing with only one hand if necessary (I usually use 2).
Thanks... ;) LOL No, I've had some of this stuff for a long time setup in various rigs and configurations. It didn't happen over night... That's for sure.
@jazzyosh Retail-- a LOT, but I've accumulated most of this stuff over several years, and none of it at full retail, so not as bad as you might think-- in my case. ymmv
As far as foot controllers the RS-10 lacks features these days. I think it's better than an all Access and in some ways better than a Ground Control Pro though the GCP seems to be more user friendly. The perfect combination of power and user friendliness is the Liquid Foot. It's a little more expensive but they're a much smaller company.
@zachman5150, can you tell me how the signal is routed to the effects processors? I have a similar setup. I have a 1210, 2290 and PCM81. I just got a line mixer very similar to the Bradshaw mixer along with an RJM effect gizmo and I’m working on wiring it up. I noticed in the video that Bob mentions that the Eventide and 1210 are in parallel in mix 1 and that the 2290 and PCM80 are in parallel in mix 2 fed from mix 1. With the 2290 only having a mono input and stereo outputs, what do you feed the 2290 with? Is it just the left or right channel from mix 1?
i *believe* the cae custom interface splits the line out from the amp switcher to feed: 1) the dry signal into mix 1 2) the stereo inputs of the 1210 via dual mono y cable 3) the stereo inputs 1/2 of the Eventide via dual mono y cable any combination of those dry/wet sounds can then be combined in parallel in mix 1, which feeds the 2290 and pcm80 inputs. 2290 is mono in, so it’s fed by mix 1 /L output. what’s not readily apparent is that the second pair of analog inputs on the H8000 are being fed by the mix 2 output. so the summed stereo output of the mix1/2 can be affected by the H8000 prior to reaching the stereo power amp.
@@mentoneman thanks for the reply. I’m curious why the 1210 is fed with a dual mono y cable. In my system I currently just feed mono to input 1. Is there an advantage to splitting the mono and feeding inputs 1 and 2? Very interesting feeding the second set of inputs on the H8000 with the output of mix 1/2. Thanks again for the reply.
@@allencolella8836 could have been dual redundancy in the event one side failed? using dual inputs allows you to have two independent choruses. normally using both inputs would be for either maintaining a stereo source preceding it, or if you wanted to input two independent sources (electric and acoustic) etc. routing the H8000 i/o 3&4 at the end of the chain (post mixer-pre power amp) allowed for affecting and theoretically looping the post mixer wet stereo sound.
The reliability of the All Access, RS10, Liquid Foot, Skrydstrup, and Axess are comparable. IMO the All Access, Skrydstrup, and Axess are all over priced for their feature set. The winners of cost/feature set IMO are the GCP, CAE, and Liquid Foot. Cost/Features in that order. Many users will never use the advanced features of the Liquid Foot but they might need more instant access or loops than the Ground Control Pro is capable of which is where the CAE excels IMO.
Bob B and Pete C, have been around for a long time and both have their place in history, for using very different approaches to achieve the results many pro players have utilized.
Rock on!!!
This is a wonderful rig setup. I hope to someday get a rig set up something akin to this. Thanks for the vid. I will definitely work with Bob after seeing this.
sorry for my mistake it is not andy summer rig .thank you for posting this
a lotta stuff there, very cool to see and hear
"It's pretty straightforward, really easy"
Yeah, Bob.
That is almost correct. You are correct that the rack doesn't have any power amps or preamps in it, however; the rack houses more than just effects. The rack also contains a CAE- Custom Audio Controller (Switching System), CAE- Custom Line Mixer, CAE (Amp Selector-- V.1), CAE Power Supply -- On the pedal Tray), Power Conditioners, MIDI Solutions Quad-Thru Box, and a Tuner.
amp selector has up to 4 amp heads connected, to it but only one can be in use at a time.
in this video only the marshall head is connected.
amp selector taps a line level signal from selected amp to feed effects, and then all effects are summed in a mixer and feeds the main left and right output jacks on the front of the rack, to stereo power amp/cabs
selector simultaneously passes the dry speaker output from selected amp to the dry output jack on the rack, so connect dry cab to that output
Great video and rack concept. Thanks.
What is confusing to you? It's a w/d/w rig.
Basically there are 6 pedals- all routed in front of whichever (1 of 4) amps I have selected. Whichever amp is selected (via the amp selector) has it's signal also dropped down to a line level signal which feeds the rack processors (there are 5)-- which are the "wet" portion of the rig. It's all controlled via MIDI
That would be me. The owner of the Rack.
Cool!
Thanks for sharing! :)
I really want his setting.
ZACH I MISS YOU!
Bob put Andy's rig together as well as mine and a bunch of other guys' rigs.
hehehehe.... It really is easy to utilize the rig. I mean-- it's 6 pedals and 4 processors, running a multiple amp rig (I run 4 heads, one at a time). ALL pedals are routed in front of whichever amp is selected, and the signal from whichever amp is selected, is routed to the same cabinet. The signal is also bumped down to a Line level signal, and feeds the rack from the pre/ and power section of whichever amp is selected.
I'm not sure i got this, but i think will! thanx!
The GCP has it's limitations too, and is not all that friendly if you need to send anything other than PC messages. The Liquid foot is a very feature filled unit, as is the Axess FX-1. The RS10, while lacking features of the Liquid foot and FX-1-- is bullet proof, and works great for me.
My $.02
The Voodoo Labs GCX can be ordered with 4 stereo loops; loops 5-8-- I believe it is.
@Jowl
The call was the guy with the video camera, not me (The guy who Bob is talking with).
No... there are (3) cabinets TOTAL (Left- Wet, Middle Dry, Right Wet). Each selected head (1 of 4) powers the same middle dry cabinet (one at a time) via the amp selector..
The Wet signal (L/R) is powered by a stereo power amp-- which feeds (2) cabinets.
There is only 1 power amp
personally i like the ground controller pro just because of the led read out
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that does not have a preamp of any power amp in the rack. The rack and pedal board only have effects.
That would be me, the owner of the rack.
@SuperAnalogue1 Actually they are passive pickups. Not EMG's
Thanks... It's actually pretty straight ahead, easy to operate/program, but I understand... This type of rig isn't for everyone. ;)
I prefer to NOT grab the handles for lifting the case-- w/ my feet. It hurts my toes. I love the fact that the rack has casters, which allow me to walk by myself, pushing with only one hand if necessary (I usually use 2).
Thanks... ;) LOL No, I've had some of this stuff for a long time setup in various rigs and configurations. It didn't happen over night... That's for sure.
nice video some nice tones. who is zach?
So to get this straight.. He feeds the wet signal to one poweramp and the dry to another?
damn nice. Zachman, did you have to rob a bank to pay for all that stuff? bob is the best!
@jazzyosh
Retail-- a LOT, but I've accumulated most of this stuff over several years, and none of it at full retail, so not as bad as you might think-- in my case. ymmv
As far as foot controllers the RS-10 lacks features these days. I think it's better than an all Access and in some ways better than a Ground Control Pro though the GCP seems to be more user friendly.
The perfect combination of power and user friendliness is the Liquid Foot. It's a little more expensive but they're a much smaller company.
@zachman5150, can you tell me how the signal is routed to the effects processors? I have a similar setup. I have a 1210, 2290 and PCM81. I just got a line mixer very similar to the Bradshaw mixer along with an RJM effect gizmo and I’m working on wiring it up. I noticed in the video that Bob mentions that the Eventide and 1210 are in parallel in mix 1 and that the 2290 and PCM80 are in parallel in mix 2 fed from mix 1. With the 2290 only having a mono input and stereo outputs, what do you feed the 2290 with? Is it just the left or right channel from mix 1?
i *believe* the cae custom interface splits the line out from the amp switcher to feed:
1) the dry signal into mix 1
2) the stereo inputs of the 1210 via dual mono y cable
3) the stereo inputs 1/2 of the Eventide via dual mono y cable
any combination of those dry/wet sounds can then be combined in parallel in mix 1, which feeds the 2290 and pcm80 inputs.
2290 is mono in, so it’s fed by mix 1 /L output.
what’s not readily apparent is that the second pair of analog inputs on the H8000 are being fed by the mix 2 output. so the summed stereo output of the mix1/2 can be affected by the H8000 prior to reaching the stereo power amp.
@@mentoneman thanks for the reply. I’m curious why the 1210 is fed with a dual mono y cable. In my system I currently just feed mono to input 1. Is there an advantage to splitting the mono and feeding inputs 1 and 2? Very interesting feeding the second set of inputs on the H8000 with the output of mix 1/2. Thanks again for the reply.
@@allencolella8836 could have been dual redundancy in the event one side failed? using dual inputs allows you to have two independent choruses. normally using both inputs would be for either maintaining a stereo source preceding it, or if you wanted to input two independent sources (electric and acoustic) etc.
routing the H8000 i/o 3&4 at the end of the chain (post mixer-pre power amp) allowed for affecting and theoretically looping the post mixer wet stereo sound.
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it is andy summers gear
Try e-mailing him from his website.
I have to go to his shop in the USA? cause I live in Germany, can I order it by post maybe? that would be cool...
can someone tell me how to find a stereo loop switcher because i cant find one.
@rattlesnakejake27 Yes, But the youtube window won't let me post the URL without giving me an error.
Any suggestions for how to get it to you?
The reliability of the All Access, RS10, Liquid Foot, Skrydstrup, and Axess are comparable.
IMO the All Access, Skrydstrup, and Axess are all over priced for their feature set.
The winners of cost/feature set IMO are the GCP, CAE, and Liquid Foot. Cost/Features in that order.
Many users will never use the advanced features of the Liquid Foot but they might need more instant access or loops than the Ground Control Pro is capable of which is where the CAE excels IMO.
Direct from Bob at-- Custom Audio Electronics
Any particular reason for choosing the PCM80 over the PCM70, 81, 90, or newer models? I'm trying to decide which one to get.
Thanks....
"Whatever's going on here, some crazy shit" - 4:30
ha!
G maj 9th 1st inversion (I think), and an A
LOL!! Nice phone ring. Listen carefully around 0:55 seconds.
I want to have the RS-10 midifootcontroller, where can I get it?
No, it isn't Andy's... Andy uses a few different components. ;)
Settings for what?
Yes... Yes he is. ;)
@SteveBrownOfficia
Yes, he is...l
What chords are you playing in this?
Thanks... It's definitely not for everyone.
Cool yeah uhhuuu, yeah cool, cool - now shut up the talk Bob and let me play my new rig I dont get what you're saying anyway....LOL
Ya, it's not for everyone-- Just me. ;)
who the hell is zach?
@tylerherbs
I got it cheap... lol