As a chemistry professional, an exothermic reaction goes forward without adding energy (heat),where endothermic requires the input of energy to react. The issue with the steel post is adhesion . Also, I'm glad that was not my fence.
So in other words, the foam would set with or without a heatsink being involved, because it's going to work independent of the temperature, and the heat is simply a side effect?
I have never used the post foam products and I have never heard anything good about it. I have never seen anyone use it in our area. Love the review videos Joe 👍
Our local power company used expanding foam to set new utility poles in our back yard (northern California). It's probably something stronger than what you might get at the local box store, and the poles seem like they are pretty solid. I'm sure they don't want power lines coming down.
pg&e never did a very good job of trimming any trees while I was there, so I'm not entirely sure they know or understand what gravity is, or how it's bad for their wires to be involved in high speed movements in a downward trajectory...
I found Jeff's channel because I was looking at building a shed. I found Joe's channel because I was looking at building a fence. (To date, I've done neither) In looking at my options for setting the fence posts, I'll use concrete. The foam method intrigues me and the differences in results is always interesting. I checked both HD and LWs websites and the product has an average 4 star rating from hundreds of people who have used it. A response from a Sika rep said that a 4x4 post needs to be in the ground 36" and uses 1 full bag of the product. Of the lower ratings, some where things expressed in this video and other videos by Joe. One person had two bags burst open on the sides, and not in the internal seam (which I always thought could be possible). One of the Sika rep responses said that the foam will seal the post underground and required no other additives to protect the post. However, the biggest complaint I saw about the foam in the reviews - and comments on this video - is that the post rots at the base where the post and foam meet at ground level. I've seen where people using concrete will shape the top to angle water away from the post, and I'm guessing you could do the same w/ the foam if it expanded high enough to shape with a knife after it cured. It would be nice to see a rebuttal video from Jeff, however in one of the recent episodes where he built the deck "Build Your Deck 5X Faster and Easier | DIY for Beginners" @ 18:23 into the video I noticed that one of the fence boards had pulled away from the top rail, because it's casting a shadow on the fence picket next to it. I don't know if the post is leaning, or if they went too fast and forgot to secure the picket. I think the real question here is... "Are all post setting foam mixes the same?" One review from the LWs website, said they won't use the Sika again, but they had great success with Fast 2K, and would keep using it instead.
@finallyfriday. not really. That's true, but with concrete, you have minutes to work with it and add more if needed. The sika stuff only allows you seconds to dump it into the hole before it starts expanding and doing things. And then it's set in seconds. The issue I saw, amd others here mentioned, is that the Sika wont have a top that moves water off the top of itself. Concrete can be molded to move water away, but that foam can't be.
Last time I put up a mailbox, It had a hollow metal pole and I put it in the ground by digging about 2 feet down, put half a cinderblock in the hole, filled around the cinderblock, tried my best to level the cinderblock as I was packing around it(not that it really mattered...). Then I mixed some cement in a bucket, poured it in the cinderblock, shoved the metal pole into the cement as far as I could, then made sure the box itself was level as the cement set. After the cement was set I packed the rest of the ground back into the hole. On a scale from 1-10, how bad did I do? PS: I'd say the whole box and pole assembly weight about 5 pounds at most.
Every video I've ever seen of his makes me wonder if he knows what the scientific method is. He compares 5 things, but one is completely different from the plan, since something goes wrong, but he just keeps going. Seeing this series reacting to a how to video is hilarious. I always thought he was doing things sloppy, but this is next level sloppy.
Speaking of post holes, what is the rule for how much of the post itself needs to be in the hole? I cannot get a straight answer from Lifetime for the depth of the post itself. The holes will be at least 30in deep for our wood overlapping privacy fence we are putting up in STL. Trying to figure out what length of posts we need
If you go with half the hight of the fence in the ground and 3 times the width of the post for hole size you should be safe but need to check with your city because sometimes they have a ordinance they require and may require inspection after digging before setting post
@JoeEverest thank you very much Being in the Midwest, we have a not so flat yard so might be some longer posts. Also, thank you for the videos and all the information you provide so people like me, that aren't in your area, can build a great fence to "make great neighbors"
I’ve seen mixed reactions on the foam. I saw a video SWI did with the foam and it’s came out okay. Biggest problem was it was like $15-$20 per bag and they had to use 2 bags. So $40 for foam Vs $10-15 in concrete.
When building a fence recently, I did a lot of research into best post materials (wood vs. metal) and setting methods to use. The Sika products sounded intriguing (although more expensive than using fast-setting concrete) but it was reading the most negative customer reviews on the Home Depot website that convinced me to stay away from that product. Reading about how the bags could explode and get on your face, hair, and clothes makes Jeff's action in skipping any sort of safety protection in this video really dangerous. YMMV
Love your videos @joeEverest. Please keep going after this guy. He is a hack. I learn a lot from you. Do you guys know where to buy Master Halco Postmaster Plus posts? I live in Michigan and cannot find a vendor.
How would you make a corner fence post removable? It would a door on the short side about 4’ and want to make the fence post removable to be able to drive into back yard houses are about 15’ away from each other where I live. Set a concrete form and bury it?
I mentioned to my farming family that I was going to start working like a farmer by starting at 10:30 am.... my 78 year old mother threatened to drag me out of bed at 4 am and beat me.... she could probably do it... she's a 5th generation farmer. I guess ill go back to slacking as a fence builder instead
I would argue that the easiest way to accomplish any task would be to hire a professional, perhaps not the cheapest, however definitely the easiest and most often best method.
What cracks me up about the working to sun up to sun down thing...is that Jeff lives in Canada. We're further in the northern hemisphere up here, so middle of summer, the sun rises at about 5:30AM and sets at about 9:30PM. And that is definitely not the build of a man that's working 16 hour days in the sun, sorry Jeff.
Nah he's just an idiot and deserves to be called out for it. Jeff never ever thinks he's wrong, and that's a huge problem, especially when he puts out horrible work like this and stands behind it as being good. Insane.
It bothers me more than it should when people like Jeff turn their nose up at ear and eye protection to show how cool they are. It's just bad, lame, irresponsible advice.
Now that I watch your videos I notice how bad he is . He’s very funny looks like a nice guy but he’s terrible. I think he just cuts corners that are important
Your whole comment sucks. And being American is much more of a handicap than being Canadian. I'm American and this country has gone to total shit. Just saying.
When you have a dyi channel and you are a hack and you know you are a hack, you deserve whatever you get. Imagine how many people out there that has wasted their time and money by taking this guys advice.
"everything is nice and quick and simple" but its not. i cant fathom why anyone would use the foam. rapidset quikrete. easy peasy. no need for braces, set it and forget it. really enjoyed your vids of reacting to jeff.
As a chemistry professional, an exothermic reaction goes forward without adding energy (heat),where endothermic requires the input of energy to react. The issue with the steel post is adhesion . Also, I'm glad that was not my fence.
Great explanation, I appreciate the clarification! Thanks for watching!
@Feed_Bleed_Read that’s the explanation that the manufacturer gave for the failed performance, that the steel posts acted as a heat sink?
So in other words, the foam would set with or without a heatsink being involved, because it's going to work independent of the temperature, and the heat is simply a side effect?
I have never used the post foam products and I have never heard anything good about it. I have never seen anyone use it in our area. Love the review videos Joe 👍
It’s not great stuff, thanks for the continued support!
Our local power company used expanding foam to set new utility poles in our back yard (northern California). It's probably something stronger than what you might get at the local box store, and the poles seem like they are pretty solid. I'm sure they don't want power lines coming down.
pg&e never did a very good job of trimming any trees while I was there, so I'm not entirely sure they know or understand what gravity is, or how it's bad for their wires to be involved in high speed movements in a downward trajectory...
Those are probably also set 6-8 feet deep in the ground
I found Jeff's channel because I was looking at building a shed. I found Joe's channel because I was looking at building a fence. (To date, I've done neither) In looking at my options for setting the fence posts, I'll use concrete.
The foam method intrigues me and the differences in results is always interesting. I checked both HD and LWs websites and the product has an average 4 star rating from hundreds of people who have used it. A response from a Sika rep said that a 4x4 post needs to be in the ground 36" and uses 1 full bag of the product. Of the lower ratings, some where things expressed in this video and other videos by Joe. One person had two bags burst open on the sides, and not in the internal seam (which I always thought could be possible).
One of the Sika rep responses said that the foam will seal the post underground and required no other additives to protect the post. However, the biggest complaint I saw about the foam in the reviews - and comments on this video - is that the post rots at the base where the post and foam meet at ground level. I've seen where people using concrete will shape the top to angle water away from the post, and I'm guessing you could do the same w/ the foam if it expanded high enough to shape with a knife after it cured.
It would be nice to see a rebuttal video from Jeff, however in one of the recent episodes where he built the deck "Build Your Deck 5X Faster and Easier | DIY for Beginners" @ 18:23 into the video I noticed that one of the fence boards had pulled away from the top rail, because it's casting a shadow on the fence picket next to it. I don't know if the post is leaning, or if they went too fast and forgot to secure the picket.
I think the real question here is... "Are all post setting foam mixes the same?" One review from the LWs website, said they won't use the Sika again, but they had great success with Fast 2K, and would keep using it instead.
It's worthy to note: ALL wood posts rot where the moisture and oxygen meet. Foam is no different than cement in this regards so its a non- issue.
@finallyfriday. not really. That's true, but with concrete, you have minutes to work with it and add more if needed. The sika stuff only allows you seconds to dump it into the hole before it starts expanding and doing things. And then it's set in seconds.
The issue I saw, amd others here mentioned, is that the Sika wont have a top that moves water off the top of itself. Concrete can be molded to move water away, but that foam can't be.
Last time I put up a mailbox, It had a hollow metal pole and I put it in the ground by digging about 2 feet down, put half a cinderblock in the hole, filled around the cinderblock, tried my best to level the cinderblock as I was packing around it(not that it really mattered...). Then I mixed some cement in a bucket, poured it in the cinderblock, shoved the metal pole into the cement as far as I could, then made sure the box itself was level as the cement set. After the cement was set I packed the rest of the ground back into the hole.
On a scale from 1-10, how bad did I do?
PS: I'd say the whole box and pole assembly weight about 5 pounds at most.
as someone who has been a farmer and in the construction industry. always use concrete & don't guess and have a plan.
Jeff= A well known chuck in the truck
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Every video I've ever seen of his makes me wonder if he knows what the scientific method is. He compares 5 things, but one is completely different from the plan, since something goes wrong, but he just keeps going.
Seeing this series reacting to a how to video is hilarious. I always thought he was doing things sloppy, but this is next level sloppy.
Speaking of post holes, what is the rule for how much of the post itself needs to be in the hole?
I cannot get a straight answer from Lifetime for the depth of the post itself. The holes will be at least 30in deep for our wood overlapping privacy fence we are putting up in STL. Trying to figure out what length of posts we need
ASTM allows for the post to be “floated” 6” above the bottom of the hole. So, for a 30” deep hole the post itself would be 24” deep.
If you go with half the hight of the fence in the ground and 3 times the width of the post for hole size you should be safe but need to check with your city because sometimes they have a ordinance they require and may require inspection after digging before setting post
@JoeEverest thank you very much
Being in the Midwest, we have a not so flat yard so might be some longer posts.
Also, thank you for the videos and all the information you provide so people like me, that aren't in your area, can build a great fence to "make great neighbors"
He definitely cut the tops. You can see the knots don't change height.
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I’ve seen mixed reactions on the foam. I saw a video SWI did with the foam and it’s came out okay. Biggest problem was it was like $15-$20 per bag and they had to use 2 bags. So $40 for foam Vs $10-15 in concrete.
When building a fence recently, I did a lot of research into best post materials (wood vs. metal) and setting methods to use.
The Sika products sounded intriguing (although more expensive than using fast-setting concrete) but it was reading the most negative customer reviews on the Home Depot website that convinced me to stay away from that product.
Reading about how the bags could explode and get on your face, hair, and clothes makes Jeff's action in skipping any sort of safety protection in this video really dangerous. YMMV
Farming in Canada is done at the grocery store.
Joe = jack of all trades and master of none
26 years in the industry, but always willing to learn.
You meant Jeff right?
Joe! I'm bad my sincere apologies I ment to say Jeff... you my man I have tons of respect for
“JACK OF ALL TRADES IS A MASTER OF NONE, BUT OFTENTIMES BETTER THAN A MASTER OF ONE” as the old saying goes 😂😂
Love your videos @joeEverest. Please keep going after this guy. He is a hack. I learn a lot from you. Do you guys know where to buy Master Halco Postmaster Plus posts? I live in Michigan and cannot find a vendor.
How would you make a corner fence post removable? It would a door on the short side about 4’ and want to make the fence post removable to be able to drive into back yard houses are about 15’ away from each other where I live.
Set a concrete form and bury it?
we did a 20 foot chainlink with the foam and its worked good for 3 years now with 2 100 lbs dogs jumping on it maybe we were just lucky
I mentioned to my farming family that I was going to start working like a farmer by starting at 10:30 am.... my 78 year old mother threatened to drag me out of bed at 4 am and beat me.... she could probably do it... she's a 5th generation farmer. I guess ill go back to slacking as a fence builder instead
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I've watched most of his videos. I scream at the TV at least once per video.
Same 😂 thanks for watching and weighing in!
I had to stop. His voice is also terrible. If Joe didn't butt in I couldn't even watch this
I would argue that the easiest way to accomplish any task would be to hire a professional, perhaps not the cheapest, however definitely the easiest and most often best method.
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I could watch the roasts on this guy all day!
When are you and Jeff gonna do a Cage Match? 😀
(you build the cage)
Holy smokes, I follow that guy.
Pause the video at exactly 0:01... Pretty much sums Jeff up in one picture...
What cracks me up about the working to sun up to sun down thing...is that Jeff lives in Canada. We're further in the northern hemisphere up here, so middle of summer, the sun rises at about 5:30AM and sets at about 9:30PM. And that is definitely not the build of a man that's working 16 hour days in the sun, sorry Jeff.
I used foam- if it wasn't poured equally around the post it would shove the post to the thinner side and out of alignment. Very fussy and $$
My jaw dropped when he nonchalantly cut the string line🤣
Haha this guy runs the most half-assed diy channel on youtube
Absolutely, appreciate you watching and weighing in!
Is he the IRL Red Green of the DIY world?
Did Jeff cheat on your sister or something?
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Nah he's just an idiot and deserves to be called out for it. Jeff never ever thinks he's wrong, and that's a huge problem, especially when he puts out horrible work like this and stands behind it as being good. Insane.
He put an action against an old review video Joe did a while back. Jeff was mad about reviewing his video it didn’t work 😃
Joe clearly needs Jeff
@@Cotronixco his content is always good for a laugh!
I used that foam on my mailbox post and it’s leaning,so I definitely wouldn’t use I on a fence post. Also this guy is terrible…. Shitty work
I appreciate you watching and sharing your experience!
Lol. Ok nvm. You noticed the post shrinkage.
💯 thanks for watching and weighing in!
It bothers me more than it should when people like Jeff turn their nose up at ear and eye protection to show how cool they are. It's just bad, lame, irresponsible advice.
Appreciate you watching and weighing in!
Yeah, it should maybe be reported to YT and get pulled down.
😂 half @$$ everything.
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Now that I watch your videos I notice how bad he is . He’s very funny looks like a nice guy but he’s terrible. I think he just cuts corners that are important
You seem to really not like this guy. I'm pretty sure he's Canadian and that's a tough handycap to get past. Give the guy a break.
Your whole comment sucks. And being American is much more of a handicap than being Canadian. I'm American and this country has gone to total shit. Just saying.
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This guy is beyond needing a break. I’m almost convinced he’s making this content just to troll on actual professionals.
When you have a dyi channel and you are a hack and you know you are a hack, you deserve whatever you get. Imagine how many people out there that has wasted their time and money by taking this guys advice.
@@JoeEverestI have great sympathy for anyone living and working under the Trudeau dictatorship of crazy and corrupt.
"everything is nice and quick and simple" but its not. i cant fathom why anyone would use the foam. rapidset quikrete. easy peasy. no need for braces, set it and forget it. really enjoyed your vids of reacting to jeff.
@@mrandmrsUSA appreciate you watching and weighing in!