SWI Fence just installed (like 2 days ago) a no-dig fence with cedar pickets. They had no issues driving those post through thick oak tree roots. Im in Florida, and they removed an old fence in which the prior posts just rotted away sitting in the high moisture soil here. After seeing how fences were installed in Texas, I knew a metal post made more sense here. SWI are absolute experts. They hid the metal with a cedar picket. You can't see any of the metal. The middle horizontal 2x4 are slid behind metal posts and picket like a channel. Then, they used galvanized screws. The cost of my SWI was cheaper than my neighbors standard wood pine fence installed with larger posts and prefab 8ft section panels. My SWI fence is absolutely beautiful, and those guys worked until it was perfect. Now, being in Florida with high humidity and heat, would you still recommend an oil based stain? Water repellant is really important.
That Haxman dude seems a little off. 😂 Why did UA-cam wait two years to show me this? Thanks for not shredding me like that poor Canadian dude you feature so often. 😂
I drove 10 ft galvanized fence post 5ft into the ground here in Chicago for a chain link fence. My neighbors fence that used concrete has frost heaved and looks like garbage. My fence on the other hand has handled numerous Chicago winters and is solid as a rock. Getting that post pounder 10 ft up in the air, and keeping that post plum was tricky but I can assure you that in my area, pounding posts works great.
Decent video Joe. I own a small fence company and have been driving post masters for 10 years through mostly hard packed clay with some rock. Rhino PD-55 ran off of air is the correct driver for these post. Myself and one guy can typically drive and rail. 300ft a day then nail pickets and cut out gates the following day. The pd55 weighs about 60lbs, like you mentioned standing a 10ft post up is not easy but after a few 1000 post you develop a technique and would never do it any other way. This video definitely has room for improvement as far as install technique but is very informative/educational for those interested.
We prefer string line across the top and we hand nail all the post covers to avoid spilting pickets. Post covers also look cleaner if trimmed down to a flat top picket that sits about an inch above the top rail.
I'm in Houston doing research for a fence replacement. I like the idea of no-dig posts, not just because of money and time savings but I suspect they may stay in position better long-term because the ground was less disturbed during installation... just my opinion. My 5 year-old fence already has posts leaning and it's looking ugly.
Would love to drive posts like that, but most times we dealing with a lot of underground variables that we need to be aware of; & found it’s unfortunately easier to use an auger to get close (or start a hole) and finish off by hand b/c of certain variables (clearance issue, underground utilities & alike, etc…..).
At my new place in North Texas I need an SDS Max hammer drill to get anything more than 5-6 inches in the ground because there's more rock than dirt from that point 😂
@@BitsOfInterest I used the same thing and have to say it was a lifesaver. I’m not going to tell the wife how much easier it was because she was so impressed by how much I got done 😂
@@rhsandne71 lol, I wouldn't have gotten anything done without it, already took an hour per hole with the hammer drill. Without it I would just give up and get drunk 😂 We borrowed one from a colleague that used to do fencing but now my wife is onboard for me to buy our own because we're going to need it for basically anything to do with the ground around that house. I think I'll get one of those spade bits also to make those first 5-6 inches easier, because even the dirt is rock hard.
We have been driving our 2" u-channel posts for street signage here in Md and Va like this since the 90s but our drivers are air operated. Our posts are 12' to 16' long. Try standing a 16' post with a 120lb driver on top a few times lol. Takes 3 guys to do it.
For post driven steel posts with donuts under vinyl posts (no dig) vs vinyl installed into cement, is post driven method typically more expensive to have done? The labor is clearly less work than digging and concrete, but are the materials a lot more? Wondering how it affects the overall cost of installation. Not asking for pricing, just feedback on this. Love your videos!
26:33 LOL, right Joe; but the look on your face, it was good😆…..anyone who knows Mark, knows he can do some very interesting stuff😉 He’s a funny guy for sure, & his humor…..love it😅 Edited for autocorrect typo
I wonder if my soil is too rocky here in St.louis. I would actually consider DIYing a fence if I don't have to mix concrete and dig holes. Also not having to carry 4x4's is a big plus
Newbie question: Is it possible to set up a laser light instead of a string line to center all post. Set up first and last post and then set post in between working towards your laser?
I dont see why this wouldnt work. Ive always used a string and it seems like it would be easier since the string is always visible, but theres a lot of guys, like SWI in the video, that just line em up by eye.
If its a small root and its not running with the fence line itll most like go thru it. Bigger roots will stop it though, and by bigger i mean anything close to the size of your finger. Well usually just shorten the section til we can get it in.
Help. Trying to build a dog run for 200 lbs Great Danes, yes plural. Live in Canada, in an area with mostly sand and rock base. Fence has to stand up. What do we use?
We typically are getting a Lot of rain all at once these days, and extended periods of high winds. Most places i know are this way. These just arent a good idea for privacy fences.
Joe, how do we know that the fence company is reputable as a consumer we see do all these DIY critique videos and we know you have a fence company but what are the signs say somebody from New York needs to look for her choosing a fence company cause I’ve seen some video where people claim to be a fencing company, but they do a hack job And then the consumers stuck paying for another fence company to come out and fix that so what kind of things are we looking for reviews recent jobs etc. etc.
Safety concern - we use postmasters all the time! The bottom guy needs to have foot at the base of the post when lifting into the air! and never let loose! Let the other guy push it up! And another thing! HARD HATS!!! , 30+ year fence veteran.
I am SO glad I have never seen that guys channel. I will mark it "Do Not Recommend This Channel" just as soon as the algorithm tries to offer his videos. I do not need a fuqtarded 3 year old talking to me on YT.
All that open space and put up a fence… hate the neighbors, can’t teach animals to know the lot lines? Honestly a shrub line be more enjoyable to me I guess. I have had neighbors put up a fence yet they never go outside.
looks absolute rubbish they will rust and do not even look that strong we dont use this in england , if you want the nicest looking fence then use wooden posts set in concrete if you want the strongest fence then concrete posts and drop in fence panels are the absolute best
I can certainly see your point, these particular posts are pretty common here in the States. They’re Galvanized and carry a lifetime warranty against rust, they also carry a wind load rating of 70+
@@JOA_Trades_ of course they will outlast wood but not concrete in my opinion , the lime in the cement will probably eat into the extremely thin galvanized coating then will eventually rust
I think the whole process is amateurish. Why didn't they use a step ladder to get to the top of the 10 foot post. Secondly, no explanation of reason for dividing a nice looking easy piece of grass. Thirdly, no line or spirit level used apparently. Fourthly,bending the post by brute force to get it out. Fifth, no comparison of this method with traditional methods in terms of cost. Is Mark a great champion of this method or is it sponsored . I thought that your usual positive manner was great. Is this method widely used in the US? Oh yes shipping/ delivery costs seem enormous. D and J projects do have their own facility for producing concrete posts in England (watching their videos). Am I being too harsh?
Yeah all you need is a $1000 tool and posts that cost about 2x as much because have to be 2x as long. People will do anything to avoid digging a hole. Just buy an auger if youre gonnna spend money on fence tools. At least you can use an auger for more that one single task.
@@JoeEverest If you read correctly, I said you can use an auger for more than one task. I didnt say it does more than dig a hole. For instance, my auger plants as many trees as it does fence posts.
HAXMAN'S channel is awesome! Those two together are comedy gold!
SWI Fence just installed (like 2 days ago) a no-dig fence with cedar pickets. They had no issues driving those post through thick oak tree roots. Im in Florida, and they removed an old fence in which the prior posts just rotted away sitting in the high moisture soil here. After seeing how fences were installed in Texas, I knew a metal post made more sense here. SWI are absolute experts. They hid the metal with a cedar picket. You can't see any of the metal. The middle horizontal 2x4 are slid behind metal posts and picket like a channel. Then, they used galvanized screws. The cost of my SWI was cheaper than my neighbors standard wood pine fence installed with larger posts and prefab 8ft section panels. My SWI fence is absolutely beautiful, and those guys worked until it was perfect.
Now, being in Florida with high humidity and heat, would you still recommend an oil based stain? Water repellant is really important.
There’s more chance of me winning the lottery than successfully driving posts into the ground in Scotland.
😂 understood
😂
That Haxman dude seems a little off. 😂 Why did UA-cam wait two years to show me this? Thanks for not shredding me like that poor Canadian dude you feature so often. 😂
😂😂😂 the difference is he’s a hackman
I drove 10 ft galvanized fence post 5ft into the ground here in Chicago for a chain link fence. My neighbors fence that used concrete has frost heaved and looks like garbage. My fence on the other hand has handled numerous Chicago winters and is solid as a rock. Getting that post pounder 10 ft up in the air, and keeping that post plum was tricky but I can assure you that in my area, pounding posts works great.
Decent video Joe. I own a small fence company and have been driving post masters for 10 years through mostly hard packed clay with some rock. Rhino PD-55 ran off of air is the correct driver for these post. Myself and one guy can typically drive and rail. 300ft a day then nail pickets and cut out gates the following day. The pd55 weighs about 60lbs, like you mentioned standing a 10ft post up is not easy but after a few 1000 post you develop a technique and would never do it any other way. This video definitely has room for improvement as far as install technique but is very informative/educational for those interested.
We prefer string line across the top and we hand nail all the post covers to avoid spilting pickets. Post covers also look cleaner if trimmed down to a flat top picket that sits about an inch above the top rail.
Love the process, I appreciate you sharing your experience!
Qual line fence in WI has built their business on only driving posts. We had a PD55 but I hated dragging a big compressor and air hose.
tha haxman is hilarious give the man a raise
I'm in Houston doing research for a fence replacement. I like the idea of no-dig posts, not just because of money and time savings but I suspect they may stay in position better long-term because the ground was less disturbed during installation... just my opinion. My 5 year-old fence already has posts leaning and it's looking ugly.
I think you’re absolutely right!
Would love to drive posts like that, but most times we dealing with a lot of underground variables that we need to be aware of; & found it’s unfortunately easier to use an auger to get close (or start a hole) and finish off by hand b/c of certain variables (clearance issue, underground utilities & alike, etc…..).
Arizona here. This video was about as practical for me as swimming to the moon.
At my new place in North Texas I need an SDS Max hammer drill to get anything more than 5-6 inches in the ground because there's more rock than dirt from that point 😂
@@BitsOfInterest I used the same thing and have to say it was a lifesaver. I’m not going to tell the wife how much easier it was because she was so impressed by how much I got done 😂
@@rhsandne71 lol, I wouldn't have gotten anything done without it, already took an hour per hole with the hammer drill. Without it I would just give up and get drunk 😂
We borrowed one from a colleague that used to do fencing but now my wife is onboard for me to buy our own because we're going to need it for basically anything to do with the ground around that house. I think I'll get one of those spade bits also to make those first 5-6 inches easier, because even the dirt is rock hard.
We have been driving our 2" u-channel posts for street signage here in Md and Va like this since the 90s but our drivers are air operated. Our posts are 12' to 16' long. Try standing a 16' post with a 120lb driver on top a few times lol. Takes 3 guys to do it.
Fence factory stocks a 7.5',8',10',and 12' postmaster if you are on the west coast,mainly California.
Joe, do you prefer nails over screws? I like screws because I can remove the board without breaking it.
Put a tiny shovel hole in the ground to hold up fence post
You still have post master driver?
For post driven steel posts with donuts under vinyl posts (no dig) vs vinyl installed into cement, is post driven method typically more expensive to have done? The labor is clearly less work than digging and concrete, but are the materials a lot more? Wondering how it affects the overall cost of installation. Not asking for pricing, just feedback on this. Love your videos!
It’s generally a trade off, both methods are typically evenly priced
26:33 LOL, right Joe; but the look on your face, it was good😆…..anyone who knows Mark, knows he can do some very interesting stuff😉
He’s a funny guy for sure, & his humor…..love it😅
Edited for autocorrect typo
I wonder if my soil is too rocky here in St.louis. I would actually consider DIYing a fence if I don't have to mix concrete and dig holes. Also not having to carry 4x4's is a big plus
Newbie question: Is it possible to set up a laser light instead of a string line to center all post. Set up first and last post and then set post in between working towards your laser?
I dont see why this wouldnt work. Ive always used a string and it seems like it would be easier since the string is always visible, but theres a lot of guys, like SWI in the video, that just line em up by eye.
How does the metal posts driver handle tree roots?
If its a small root and its not running with the fence line itll most like go thru it. Bigger roots will stop it though, and by bigger i mean anything close to the size of your finger. Well usually just shorten the section til we can get it in.
Hey BOSS......How much you want for your post driver?
Unfortunately, we sold it prior to this video coming out.
Also, there's a tool called a "Yank-ease" that makes pulling those posts a breeze.
Awesome!! If i was 40 years younger, I would get into that metal post fence building.
💯
My thoughts exactly....
Here on the farm, we’d have pushed them in the ground with that tractor. lol
They’d have been crooked but the cows don’t care.
Cool install. Definitely not gonna work in NorthTexas😢 soil lol
This must have been done in Florida. A giant sandbar.
This is in Brunswick Ga. No rock and sandy soil
Help. Trying to build a dog run for 200 lbs Great Danes, yes plural. Live in Canada, in an area with mostly sand and rock base. Fence has to stand up. What do we use?
My county is called Rockdale. Any guesses why?
Can we get these posts in Canada
I believe so? They’re called PostMaster+ by Master Halco!
Yes I own a fencing company and this is what we do
I’m a huge fan of Mark and Dan and SWI. Loved this video!
Agreed, really enjoyed watching their content
We typically are getting a Lot of rain all at once these days, and extended periods of high winds. Most places i know are this way. These just arent a good idea for privacy fences.
These were generated for the wind variable. They blow over less likely
@@tiffanyoxman5677 I don't think so, Tiffany.
Joe, how do we know that the fence company is reputable as a consumer we see do all these DIY critique videos and we know you have a fence company but what are the signs say somebody from New York needs to look for her choosing a fence company cause I’ve seen some video where people claim to be a fencing company, but they do a hack job And then the consumers stuck paying for another fence company to come out and fix that so what kind of things are we looking for reviews recent jobs etc. etc.
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@@JoeEverest thanks Joe
You in stone county? :)
Close! Greene County!
I won't ask how much that fence cost.
Safety concern - we use postmasters all the time! The bottom guy needs to have foot at the base of the post when lifting into the air! and never let loose! Let the other guy push it up! And another thing! HARD HATS!!! , 30+ year fence veteran.
Great points, I appreciate you sharing your experience!
Did you like that
I think it turned out great! What did you think?
I am SO glad I have never seen that guys channel. I will mark it "Do Not Recommend This Channel" just as soon as the algorithm tries to offer his videos. I do not need a fuqtarded 3 year old talking to me on YT.
I saw that first dad joke flying in a mile away😂.
All that open space and put up a fence… hate the neighbors, can’t teach animals to know the lot lines? Honestly a shrub line be more enjoyable to me I guess. I have had neighbors put up a fence yet they never go outside.
Weak.
looks absolute rubbish they will rust and do not even look that strong we dont use this in england , if you want the nicest looking fence then use wooden posts set in concrete if you want the strongest fence then concrete posts and drop in fence panels are the absolute best
I can certainly see your point, these particular posts are pretty common here in the States. They’re Galvanized and carry a lifetime warranty against rust, they also carry a wind load rating of 70+
Concrete eats wood FYI.
These don’t rust they are galvanized steel 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ these will outlast any wood my goodness progress stop being a dinasour
@@JOA_Trades_ of course they will outlast wood but not concrete in my opinion , the lime in the cement will probably eat into the extremely thin galvanized coating then will eventually rust
@alexhudson3574 and weeble wobble loose in the soil. Especially if it's holding a privacy fence---which catches wind. I don't like this trend at all.
I think the whole process is amateurish. Why didn't they use a step ladder to get to the top of the 10 foot post. Secondly, no explanation of reason for dividing a nice looking easy piece of grass. Thirdly, no line or spirit level used apparently. Fourthly,bending the post by brute force to get it out. Fifth, no comparison of this method with traditional methods in terms of cost. Is Mark a great champion of this method or is it sponsored . I thought that your usual positive manner was great. Is this method widely used in the US? Oh yes shipping/ delivery costs seem enormous. D and J projects do have their own facility for producing concrete posts in England (watching their videos). Am I being too harsh?
Yes,you come across as a total bellend
Yeah all you need is a $1000 tool and posts that cost about 2x as much because have to be 2x as long. People will do anything to avoid digging a hole. Just buy an auger if youre gonnna spend money on fence tools. At least you can use an auger for more that one single task.
What else can an auger do besides dig holes?
@@JoeEverest If you read correctly, I said you can use an auger for more than one task. I didnt say it does more than dig a hole. For instance, my auger plants as many trees as it does fence posts.
I use it to mix my smoothies
You can use that auger over and over again when you are replacing the rotted out wooden fence posts.
These guys are clowns. I’m laughing my a off.