The fastest charging EV in the world weighs only 2700 pounds
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- The fastest charging EV in the world weighs only 2700 pounds
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My Bolt euv is probably the slowest-charging ev on the planet, but it's paid for and working great. I love how fast ev technology is improving.
The electric vehicle ‘charging time’ and ‘range’ controversies were always red-herrings put out by an industry that is never sincere nor acting in good faith, and continues to do its utmost to hold back progress in EVs. The staggering health and environmental benefits from switching to electric will be so overwhelming that, in future, we will look back and wonder what took us so long.
Quite true!
(And, having driven over half a dozen EVs over the last 18 months - currently with less than 300km range and generally 11kw charging - none present any drawbacks and all put a smile on my face.)
Honestly Sam.. This channel is one of a kind! I am thrilled to have found it :)
This is the Nyobolt EV concept car. Nyobolt are a company that are developing cells and packs in the UK ( I may or may not have worked on these cells) and yes they are working in super fast charging pack technology. There are some extremely interesting materials and advances used in the electrode material they use.
Ok, so a Tesla Model 3 with these batteries would take around twice that, so 9 minutes. That's pretty amazing. Call that 60KWh capacity, so in 9 minutes (9/60=0.15h) that would need 400KW. This is on the upper end of the spectrum for existing chargers. Currently, I believe the Tesla Model 3 only goes up to 250KW, but I might be mistaken. I guess it's going to need 800V architecture to be able to achieve this, else the current becomes excessive and the heating losses too great.
The need for extra fast charging could be useful but there is a balance of time/cost/battery health.
What we need is hundreds of thousands of convenient chargers so whenever and wherever you stop there is one available without much of a wait. This will mean smaller, cheaper, lighter battery packs (& cars) that result in quicker charge times.
Shrinking the size of a battery has a lot of benefits with only one negative, range. More chargers means range is less of an issue.
In Seattle an epidemic of thefts of charger cables. Will be growing problem.
This is not needed for most people. I have zero wait time when charging - starting the day with over 300mi
Is this truely a near full duration high current charging battery (i.e. just down the battery chemistry, which would be exceptional), or a segmented battery pack, with slightly extended current range charging batteries, using clever electronics and staggered overlapping parallel charge windows optimised for the size of the overall battery. The fact Sam mentioned near full charge for the duration and use of custom charging electronics makes me think it could be a segmented solution. This means its likely an overall solution to fit a particular niche design optimised for high current charging (circa 350kWh) rather than something that can be universally applied to other cars with their more typical charging use case. That said this would be an interesting approach for smaller BEVs to take, as their smaller sized batteries could be charge in shorter durations, like this car, utilising today's fast charger levels (200 to 350kWh).
I have a 1929 Chev it gets 189 miles on a full charge of Gasoline and they sold many of these
Jamie Owen from cgtn asked the CEO if he was ready to receive a call from Elon Musk or BYD but he was hesitant to say it was a gane changer because they are still in the early stages of testing.
Fast charging so fast all the time damages the battery.
Small battery, smaller range. Bigger battery, more range.
And besides, 35Kwh battery charging in 4 minutes, the others that have 3 times bigger battery takes 3 times longer to charge.
So nothing special, as not such a "game changer" after all.
Unless the voltage is changed.
Smarter people than us are working on it.
Most EV's have 60-70kwh battery pack so 2x or 8 minutes
I personally think that weight reduction is more important than charging speed. Wondering what weight the car would have with a let’s say 60-70kWh battery pack.
Rule of thumb is baterry packs weigh around 20lb per 1kwh.
Another rule is that rest of the car needs to weigh at least the same as the pack for structrural reasons.
So a 100kwh pack would be 2000lbs and a car would weigh 4000lbs in best case scenario.
A 60kwh pack would weigh 1200lbs and the car would weigh 2400lbs in best case scenario.
@@nocapproductions5471We need a nuclear powerplant weighing only 35kg
I don't need a big car. But I do need a bike rack (either on a tow hitch or the roof), since likely a bicycle won't fit inside. I wonder if existing chargers would need reprogramming to work with that car and charge curve?
Very intriguing automobile.
What's it cost I like the 2700 lbs.
But 150 mile range is a little short even in san diego for a quick fun run through the mountains.
In one go. 150 miles isn't a handicap with a lot of chargers "on the road".
@@AllDogsAreGoodDogs not in the back country mountains and deserts near San diego
batteri size and car weigth are around the same as BMW i3, wonder if there will be new batteries to retrofit in cars like that?
Charging Speed is very subjective. I know not everyone can charge at home but as charging infrastructure evolves, I suspect most people will charge at their residence, during the time they are not driving their EV. This makes the "charging time" essentially zero for those people (myself included).
However, when traveling away from home, charging time is adequate, IMHO. If it was going to take well over an hour to charge (think 2-10 hours) then that would be unacceptable and, quite frankly, unsustainable from a business perspective. But that's not the case, at least for Tesla and a few others. Charging times for my Model Y on long trips are very reasonable, usually less than 40 minutes, and the charging stops are a welcome rest from driving.
All that said, the charging times will decrease and the range will increase as battery & charging technologies evolve. Future history is proof: in Star Trek they use Dilithium Crystals that only need changing or recharging every 5 years. So there you have it!😊
Right roger; it would not be very practical now and it uses a very rare element which at present would need to be found, refined and manufactured on a large scale. Sort of like the NASA selenium cell. First step get the rare earth.
What a Beauty!
And just think, if you half that battery you can charge 10-80% in just over 2 minutes!!!! Now, if they only could figure out how to cut away those pesky parts at the ends of the battery so they could make it weigh less...
Seems they have actually. Sakuu has a bipolar polymer battery battery working. There’s way more to come when you aren’t restricted to burning decayed dinos.
Existing chargers can go up to ~1000 V. You'd need that BUT I can't imagine the charging infrastructure if you wanna charge ~10 cars at once at this speed. ~4 MW installations aren't easy to do.
Tesla is already doing 4MW capable installations. It seems the default is now 12 stalls which is 3MW capable.
@@tpedwards I know and it is possible at certain sites if the infrastructure is already there... good thing that not all ppl are buying EVs at once so we can expand the infrastructure as well but it's gonna be expensive.
With this how high is up approach to fast charging does bring to mind a couple nagging questions:
What happens if anything goes wrong while that much current is flowing and is it safe to be around it while rhat much current is flowing?
Has a look of the old Porsche
Looks like they’ve used a Lotus Elise
but only if you can find a charger that can deliver that much current. good luck finding one of those in the US.
This channel tells you garbage that will never happen or is total lies to try and make you think that EV's are equivalent to ICE in range and recharge. Found that out ages ago and unsubscribed.
@@dikkybee4003 so if you’re a ice addict why do you bother coming to this channel? Makes no sense. Plenty of channels about overhauling your V8.
Quick charge, long lasting does not belong in the same sentence. Unless your using a fast charge high draw batteries.
I worked with lithium batteries, charging them is complex. It will only take them a few minutes to get to 80% but takes them hours to from 80% to 100%. The thing with lithium is the draw is much faster when its below 70% percent than when its 90%
You'll most likely shorten the battery's life if you keep charging them "the quick charge method"
Love these vids
Hi Sam... great stuff, as always. One thing though - Please try to pronounce 'impedance' thusly: im pee dance with the emphasis on the 'pee'. Cheers!
l will believe it when i see it in their warranty, until then its only sales hype
I don't get the need to charge faster than 20 to 25 mins. If you go faster than that you are asked to leave the charge point typically within 5 mins to avoid extra charges. I'm used now to getting coffee and a snack, with the walk to and from the car and a toilet break you need 20 to 25mins. Why do I want to be nagged to go back after ten mins? Technically impressive, practically why bother?
What does the coffee and snack cost at your charging station? Are the toilets free to use? You have to add that to the charging costs.
I don't need neither a coffee, a snack or a toilet in the 2 mins when I fill my gas tank... ;)
@@hiram1923 Most people do a break after 400-500 km anyway. I don't get these arguments, as if the people are driving thousands of kilometers without any pauses and have to charge their cars in 2 minutes.
@@huckleberryfinn6578 Who says that everyone at the charger has just driven 400 km? A lot of people can't charge at home, so they have to use some public charger close to their home.
@@huckleberryfinn6578yes, but there are no EV under 50k with 450km real range at 120kmh.
The closest in term of efficiency is the model 3 highland has 330km of real range at 120kmh, from 100 to 0% without AC. If you do 10 to 80% charge sessions, then it's 231km between stop, or 208km with 10% degradation.
Even for your first stretch from home (100 to 10%), it's still 267km of real range. Nowhere close to 450km between stops.
EVs work only for people who are willing to change their trip routine and not run on AC.
@@hiram1923I agree with you, don't spend between stops as things are 3 to 4 times the price of a local grocery store in the highway. But still need to stop for toilet whenever someone needs it during road trips. Regardless of the fee (free on toll roads).
Stops don't last more than 8 mins.
And charging is at least half the price of gas at high most expensive charger you can find in Europe, usually a third of the price.
If you have kids, then an EV is a no-brainer because stopping every 200km is normal.
With that said if you don't care about stopping, but only the time it takes to reach your destination, there are 4 EVs that can do 1000km under 9 hours. Tested by Bjorn. The cheapest Tesla (35k) can do it in 10 hours.
That is fantastic but you need a 455 KW charger to achieve anything like this and if you start putting 455 KW chargers everywhere where on earth do you think you will get the electrical infrastructure to be able to handle this and maintain this.? That is a 550 amp service at 800 volts approx. Per Charger
Can you do Capacitor Charging?
Charge capacitors to quick charge a battery?
Then the vehicle would be even heavier.
@@mohammedabdulahi7894 no the charger is capacitors and fast charger the battery in the car
I love it !!!! :)
I running under 9seconds but only 20meters 😉😄
The body at least is a Lotus Elise.
wait until over the air charging is established. all of these tech are just infrastructure for this ultimate end.
It is crazy and unrealistic Has anyone asked the battery what it thinks?
👍👍
Not many 2MW chargers out there, are there slaves to help move the cable?
5 minutes charge for 100 miles real range is good
Want it
It won’t take 5 years. - it will be here in 3 years.
More like a Lotus Evira.
155 km of range. Not much.
charges in 4 minutes and weighs only 2700 pounds? must be using an ebike battery.
No.
Aptera is a much better car and faster MPH charging
And after 20km charge the EV again?😂
for me It's how long it lasts in the real world, not how quickly it charges . . . swappable batteries is the future . . .
So you want to someone to slide in 200lb battery packs in your car for cheap? Oh yeah there would be about 10 of those packs in a car.
Doesn’t work. Imagine the heat generated by it and the short life span. A third of the size of a Tesla battery and smaller than the Fiat 500 EV battery pack to put it into perspective. Useless crap.
Heat is a function of resistance x current squared. If the resistance is extremely low the heat produced will be low too even if the current is huge.
Not with sodium-ion batteries
Most EV's have 60-70kwh battery pack so 2x or 8 min charge.
Did you even watch the video!?? The battery has been tested for 4000 charging cycles!
@@jovanleon7 yep, but it’s still proves people like Sam shouldn’t shill for all things EV when they don’t have long term reliability and dependability. Look at the lack of infrastructure and how much energy is required to run these pipe dreams. Agencies like the EPA have their heads in the sand thinking the power grid can handle a 100% EV supply without problems.
And on the flip side you have companies blowing smoke up peoples backsides telling them these are amazing, green things, all the while not telling them how much damage is being done to the earth in production of them and how toxic and wasteful these batteries are when they get slightly damaged.
Give me an EV that can do a guaranteed range of 800 km in -40 degree winters with a charging time of 5 minutes which costs $10,000 with manual windows, manual locks, a basic AC system and physical buttons and manual seats with the appropriate infrastructure then we can talk. But that will never happen as the governments and manufacturers don’t want us to have that type of vehicle.
More rubbish.
the public or the consumers want more range and faster charging speed for an ev. To charge an ev to 100 percent takes too long waiting around 30 minutes is too long.
What's your rush?? You been driven for 4-5 hrs straight, 30 min. rest is too long ????
@@ainhatda8807 yes compared to a putting gas in a car. The ev charging tech isn’t there yet and battery range and chemistry needs to be improved
@kensofuego5928 if you work for 8 hrs a day, you need one 30 min break and 2 10 min. Coffee, am I right ? So why are you driving without taking a break ?
@@ainhatda8807 Because people have busy lives with kids and a million place to go. Nobody has time to waste or time to chill unless you have a charger installed at your place of living. People on news have been killed over Tesla chargers and resorts people are returning Evs for gas cars or hybrid cars. The technology isn’t there YET
@@kensofuego5928 bad excuse! You're not fire truck driver, you're not police or ambulance driver therefore you need to have a break!
Evening mate 4 minuets wow
That's silly Sam. Is this car marketed to people who want to do a 30min run to show off for friends or for serious, daily use? What are the chances the owner of one of these will find 5min chargers on route? Until the whole infrastructure has been updated, it's a toy.
Electric cars will be a thing of the past in 10 to 15 years..carbon footprint disaster
Cheers mate