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@@richardnottelmann58”crooked?” Why? How? I mean, I hope they discuss his virulent racism and antisemitism at the house, but restoring an architecturally significant home is always an interesting project.
Gents, I'm looking forward to the show about the dedicated snow tire compared to the Three Peak Mountain tires. There is obviously a difference between the thrill of actually driving and computer aided/controlled driving.
I put these same exact tires on my 2016 Toyota Camry SE 4cyl with a 2" lift and love them! I'm in Kingman AZ and these tires are great in the winter. We had 10" of snow in March, lots of monsoons and these tires perform well while keeping the same OEM tire size.
I was very impressed with my Wild Peak A/T trails on my Rogue Sport AWD, especially in thunderstorms. Living in New Hampshire however and doing a lot of snowboarding has led me to the Ice-x snow from Michelin for winter. Looking forward driving through some good snow!
Mastercraft Glacier Grip 2 work very well. Took me everywhere in the snow with a 2 wheel drive jeep patriot. Did well in the summer in Phoenix for a couple of weeks. Didn't pop like these said some snow tires do.
LOVED my Falken Wildpeak AT3 tires on my 2017 Discovery HSE. In the mountains of Colorado and some really dense deep snow 6/7+ inches up mountain passes in "SNOW" mode I never felt that I was ever going to get stuck. They were also fantastic off road and on the trail in all sorts of situations. I put about 35,000 miles on them before having to get rid of the Disco for engine issues. I would buy the tires again 100%
Looking at the TPMS problem you're having, I have a good feeling those aftermarket sensors were programmed in the wrong frequency and protocol. To find the right frequency, almost every TPMS diagnostic and relearn tool feature a Remote Keyless Entry & Radio Frequency monitor to identify the correct frequency. As a mechanic, that's where I start before doing any TPMS service.
Did Discount Tire perform a relearn with a TPMS scan tool? If not that's why the TPMS light is on. You can't just stick new sensors in a wheel and expect them to sync to the vehicle, has to be "relearned". Some sensors have stock programming that works with different vehicles - still requires a relearn to be done. Some sensors required to be programmed FOR the vehicle and then a relearn to program them TO the vehicle.
For all intents and purposes, any tire with the "3 peak snowflake" is legally considered a winter tire. (It's not as good per se) but considered as such for insurance companies. At least here. I'm not sure if they would exempt you from having to chain up in mountain passes. And yes they are absolutely rated for turning and braking and are a softer compound. They do fall short on ice however but are still better than any all season.
Next time try researching a little before you comment. The 3PMSF rating has nothing to do with turning or breaking, nor does it mean the tire has a softer compound.
I have the cooper discoverer at3 4s with that 3 peek rating they are amazing in snow and in ever offroad trail I've done including deep mud rocks rain on trails over slick rocks in the north east and had no issues
I did alot of research and came to the same conclusion as you, and based on reviews on tire rack cooper discoverer at3 4s had the highest rating in winter. And I switched for Hankook dynapro at tires and its a world of difference.
It does not matter how old men are. Let it snow, give them a car and they will be happy. Waiting also for some snow. Got new Hankooks Kinergy 4S2 H750.
I’ve got the Falken AT Trail for summer and Nokian R5’s for winter on our Ascent. There is a big difference for sure. Mainly in turns, braking, packed snow and cold temps since they stay pliable.
Finally a proper explanation of the 3 peak mountain snow rated tire with an explanation of the difference between winter tires also. Most reviewers focus only on how well that tire type works without comparing tire types. If more people understand this I'll see less 4X4 trucks in ditches in places with cold winter if they get real winter tires. People that buy big 3 peak mountain snow rated tires think they have the best tire for all conditions. Simply not true when you drive in colder harsher winter with more ice and hard packed snow.
Using 4hi not only gets you moving forward much easier, also decreases brake distance. I use 4hi in the snow ❄️ all the time. Do not exceed 100 kph or 60 mph in 4 hi.
Andre hooning around had me reminiscing to my misspent youth. 1974 Plymouth Valiant w/a slant 6 and all season-ish tires on snow in South Dakota. Car control training ground in the winter.
Kudos to you guys for actually looking up the meaning behind the 3peak snowflake ratings. It really means very little as you can see. I think it tricks most people when selecting tires into thinking their 3peak tire is good in winter. Need more reviews calling this out.
Had these on a Volvo XC70, it was fantastic on-road and even better off-road. Did around 4000ft of vertical climbing on a 2 mile switchback trail with 6" rock ledges and lots of loose, flat rock no problem. Never tried them in the snow, sold the car (due to terrible gas mileage + high used car prices) before the season. Another terrific and similar tire is the Pirelli WeatherActive, which I have on the replacement car.
Have had quite a few tires on my SUV's over the years. I had Interco Truxxus STX on our Blazer and they were great in mud, but snow and wet roads not so much. They were also very loud. We had Pirelli Scorpion AT+ on our FWD Escape and they were great not only in rain and snow but pretty good in mud. I think they were 3 peak rated. We originally had General Grabber AT+ on our 4Runner also good on road, rain and snow. Maybe not quite as good as the Pirelli's. We switched to Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT's and they are surprisingly good on road, in rain and snow for an agressive off-road tire. Amazing in mud and trails. Dry on road and highway performance did suffer a bit. They are also 3 peak rated. Have heard good reviews of the Wildpeaks. They do seem to work well on the Range Rover.
I can attest to the wildpeak trail tires...had them on my Grand Cherokee. No complaints. But I just got new AT3Ws on my Z71 yesterday from Discount Tire....same issue with my TPMS.
I’ve used budget winter tyres and 3PMSF all weather (Vredestein quatrac) in snow. The all weathers were better. If I lived in Scandinavia or Canada and had really cold conditions, I’d go with a premium winter tyre.
Guys, when you do your 3pmsf vs. winter tire video, do you think you could also compare studless winter tires against studded ones? Ive seen lots of different tire and traction aid comparison videos for winter driving, but somehow it seems nobody has done one comparing studded and studless tires!
@@Redhawk24 Slicks is a little dramatic. But an experienced snow driver with all seasons can be very capable in snow. I have known a few New Englanders who could take a rear wheel drive car with all season through 8 inches of snow.
The 3PMSF tyres are very common in Europe. Two of my UK-based cars run Michelin Cross Climates with this rating all year round. They have to drive 600 miles to get to the mountains so they’re obviously a compromise, but a pretty good one. On my Volvo V90 Cross Coutry B5D I get about 45mpg (UK) on a long, fast journey. And in two winters, I have never been stranded. My car that lives permanently in the Alps (another V90 CC) wears more extreme Michelin Alpins all year round - but I really cannot detect how they are better in heavy snow or hard pack.
With my experience all tires have different pros and cons, haven’t found a “do it all” tire I have found. Example my Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac was very good in winter conditions than BFG KO2 and Falken Wildpeak AT3W. But for offroad traction BFG KO2 was better. I wonder how BFG KO3 would be. Now I’m trying Toyo Open Country AT3. For anyone asking why not dedicated winter tires? Here in CO temperature fluctuate A LOT. So for me now worth the trouble of changing tires very often. Else I would melt the dedicated snow tires like Roman said. Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac LTs are also studable if anyone want to go that route.
Of course not being an insider I can't say for sure,but I suspect this class of tires is made with the weather conditions you described in mind. It seems to me like they would be the best compromise possible so if you have to get out you can. But then again I'm abit of a fan of the Jack of all Trades concept,even if it means none can be mastered. For most folks being able to do everything in safety is probably better than being a Master at any one thing but unable to do anything else.
@@Jeff-ib7wc that's good to know. I havn't had a chance to test the OC AT3s on a good trail. (New born, so no offroading for a while). On pavement in winter conditions they were pretty good.
Judging by the amount of snow “attaching” to the tires, they were working as at least a basic level of “snow” tires. To me, that’s kind of the biggest factor in whether the tires actually work in the snow. Obviously, real winter tires work better, but there are always trade-offs if you off-road. I put Blizzaks on my LC200 a few years ago, but, to me, that meant no off-roading until those tires came off (the rubber was so soft that even a little time on some rocks was ripping them apart). They made a huge improvement in the snow over the KO2s that were on the rest of year, but that was a bit of a bummer. I had Nokian Outpost ATs on my Ram 1500 and those were better in the snow than the KO2s, but not as good as dedicated snows, of course. I never felt the need for dedicated snows with those tires - different vehicle, of course. On the other end, my Model S LR would be undeliverable in the snow without dedicated snows (in my opinion). Always love these tires test videos!
I prefer the Bridgestone Blizzak's on my 2017 Cherokee. With those on and in Snow mode I haven't found a hill yet that it won't climb. A friend that lives out of town has a 8% grade driveway and I can climb up the 1/4 mile long drive better and faster than his 1 ton Chevy with Cooper Snow tires.
I have Toyo AT3’s on a CRD liberty, and they leave a lot to be desired. The Pirelli Zero all seasons my Durango Tow and Go are perform better. BTW thanks TFL for the videos on the Tow and Go, I would have never known it existed or bought one.
Just sold my KO2s and put a set of Mickey Thompson baja boss ATs on. Strange I noticed the siping only goes about 1/3-1/2 of the way down. So essentially when the tire is less than 60% life there will be zero siping. Wth?? And the Mickey Thompsons aren’t any better than the KO2s in snow. Other than looking great they were a big mistake
I had these tires on a tuscon that i took mudding and offoading all the time. That poor hyundai put in WORK beyond what any of you could imagine lmao and thoae tires carried it through everything.
Thanks Guys love your videos and channel. I'm looking a buying a used Range Rover Sport with 35,000 miles as a second vehicle for myself, my primary is a 2023 VW Golf R. I'm super interested in the long term reviews, and things to be congnizent when lookin gfor a used RR Sport. Y'all Da best! Go BEARS!!!
They are my go to. Have been running them for years on my Ram 1500, Jeep Wrangler and 5th Gen 4Runner here on the West Coast of Canada. They are all I run
Calling tires “all season” is one of the biggest scams in the automotive world. There are a lot of people that don’t understand by looking at a tire what will make good traction by tread or understand anything about compounds. They rely on the tire classification. They unknowingly endanger themselves, their passengers and others sharing the road with them because they were told the tire they’re purchasing is fine in all conditions. I don’t mean that as an insult to them, they going on what they are told by the industry. There’s very little in the way to help people make an informed decision. But hey, at least it’s a federal mandate that the doors automatically lock
Interesting. I'm from Germany and these tires have been mandatory for at least the last 20 Years. I'm somewhat baffled, that they are a new concept for you.
They paid for the tires but not the review, what? Free 4 x 20 inch tires is about $1,200.00. They definitely paid you unless you are giving them back in a few days.
So, multi-billion dollar Ford company cannot afford to keep up their own buildings. They need to hold raffles to get the public to pay for their land. I know people are going to be mad about me posting this but come on seriously.
It's more of Ford as a corporation doesn't want to pay to upkeep Henry Ford's land but they'll give a 40-50k bronco (their price) as a donation to the non profit so they can do that. Ford gets a kickback on their taxes for the donation and the non profit (probably ran by an ex Ford executive) gets to run an event that will probably net $300k+. 50k for the Ford's property and the other $250k for the non profits staff pay. 😉🫣
did you know that an air conditioner in a car actually reverses flow when its cold outside to help heat the cab of the car without pulling heat away from the cold engine? it is important the AC compressor system is working all year not just when it is hot outside.
I cannot emphasize more with people around me how important tires are, especially here in the states where you see frequent snowfalls, all season tires are basically useless unless you are in the southen states, the 3 peak mountain all season (or All weather) tires is a must in the area where you snow, but these tires are not getting the attention needed and there are still many people running the dangerous normal all season tires
Glad you pointed out what this snowflake-rated tire does not include, a winter compound. Some people will no doubt buy these thinking they are a "real" (dedicated) winter tire.
That abs was working overtime to cope with inertia coming from this "little SUV". The thing with all season/all weather/3peaks... they all compromise. In my book if you're on snow, get snow tires - you get brakes and steering, not just acceleration... and only once or twice every couple of years they'll help you avoid a big costly problem. And that day will come, unless you're the perfect driver and never make a mistake. That's when they pay for themselves
@@jmc6000 I'm running the trail terrain currently and they are incredible, I can't speak on the falken as I've never had them but based on a million other reviews they're impressive too.
I don’t think they are biased. They are just saying the 3peak rating is very easy to achieve. And as such you can have 3peak tires that aren’t very good in winter compared to 3peak dedicated snow/winters.
@@gs98999 I can only speak on tires I've ran, which never was dedicated snow tire and my last two sets were 3 peak instead of a boring all season and the difference is large between the two.
@@jacobshort5378 yeah, there can be a big difference across the range. Something like a KO2 is a 3 peak and it’s much better in snow than all seasons that come on trucks, but it’s still nowhere near as good as say Michelin Xice in snow and especially ice
I just have to say, How stupid are people who dont use Winter tires in the winter time. And you that live in Alaska or Canada, you should try tires that are ment for Norway, Sweden or Finland.
I know it’s a privilege to work in the TFL family, but really? You’re making the guys work the weekend for a twelve minute Slidey-slidey video in an office park?
I'm sorry Roman but a snow tire on a 500plus horsepower SUV would have the EXACT same result! Your prejudice against these type of tires is showing hard.
Bonjour André and Roman. Here in the province of Québec, all passenger vehicules registered in our province must have winter tires on from december 1st. to march 15th. It's been this way since 2008. Makes a lot of sense and it's much safer for everyone on the road. I have Nokian Nordman 9 on my 2023 Chevy Bolt. Greetings from Montréal, Québec. 🖖
The Falken tires shown here didn't pass as acceptable in any Swedish tire tests. This type of tire are standard winter tires in continental Europe, but useless in Sweden, Norway and Finland, where a majority uses studded tires during winter or uses special Nordic winter tires, that are superior in lower temperatures. Anyone driving in snow or ice should use studded tires. The best nordic winter tires in test 2023 is Continental Vikingcontact 7, and the best studded tire is Michelin X-ice North 4. P.s winter tires are required by law between 1.dec. and 1.april in Sweden, Norway and Finland.
in southern Sweden we get by on standard Winter tires no need for studs we even use all season Tires with the three peak symbol eg Continental all season contact or Michelin cross climates very few use studded tires in the North I know this because I grew up in Åre. I personally use all seasons from 1st December never had any issues even when we do get deep snow which is rare.
@@Azureecosse hejsan. Jag bor själv i Blekinge. Alla mina grannar köra konsekvent på dubbdäck. Jag själv har altid bara kört på vanliga vinterdäck, men har i år köpt "nordiske " vinterdäck. Jag tror enda skillnaden är temperatur känsligheten. Det är överraskande att du säger dubbdäck inte är så nyttjad i norra Sverige. Jag har varit mycket i norra Sverige, men aldrig på vinteren. Jag gissar det är för att man inte nyttja salt på vägarna däruppe, men jag tänker fortfarande att om dubbdäck borde nyttjas någonstans borde det vara på all isen i norr!?. Varför alla mina grannar köra på dubbdäck i Blekinge, kan bero på att det alla är gamla bönder. Men när jag tittar på begagnade bilar har flertalet fortfarande dubbdäck medföljande som vinterdäck, så det kan inte vara så ovanligt ändå. Jag fick även dubbdäck medföljande den senaste bil jag har köpt och den har aldrig lämnat Stockholm. 😀
I spent 20 years in Oregon and Washington state for college and then my career. I lived in Corvallis Oregon for 5, Portland Oregon for 10 years and then Yakima Washington for 5. We got a lot of ice in Oregon so many people would choose studded tires for the ice days and give up wet traction. All the libtards in Portland and Seattle figured the damage from metal studs was costing too much so they went to plastic and then from what I heard from friends they outlawed all studs and went to stud less winter tires. I don’t have much need for winter tires here in Honolulu Hawai’i. I have heard that several European countries require dedicated snow tires in the winter (had Danish & Swedish friends on the Uni’s volleyball team tell me that).
@@J.Young808 I wouldn't mind being in Honululu right now. I am danish but live in southern Sweden and it is cooold at the moment. Studded tires are not legal in Denmark and there's no law requirement for winter tires there unlike Sweden, Norway and Finland. But most people do use wintertires even if it's not required by law. I have always just had a set of summer tires and a set of winter tires, but I have also invested in a third set of studded wintertires, because even though most highways and cities are effectively cleared and salted, there are periods now and again with alot of ice and worst of all : black ice, and that's when I want studded tires. On youtube there's alot of videos with Americans skating into each other with their cars as though they drove on ice with slick tires. It's moments like that, I asked myself why ! They obviously live in a cold state, so why aren't they prepared. It's entertaining and tragically stupid at the same time.
While it's not part of the official rules for earning a 3 peak mountain snowflake, I do believe that most of these "all weather" tires do in fact have the softer rubber compound that allows better grip during colder months. As soft as a dedicated winter tire? No, obviously not. But softer than a traditional "all season?" Yes. What's interesting to me about an All Terrain tire bearing the 3PMS designation is that an off road tire's design with widely spaced lugs and tread patterns meant for clearing mud, is directly at odds with how a traditional snow tire works. Namely a snow tire wants snow to collect between the treads because, as I learned from a Bridgestone tire engineer and my years of making snowmen, snow sticks to snow, increasing grip!
I would love to see a head to head test for the Michelin CrossClimate2's against the Bridgestone WeatherPeak's. I have the CrossClimate2's on my 18' Camry Hybrid and they are outstanding tires. The best tires I've ever owned by far. But they killed the gas mileage on my hybrid, so I would like to see how the WeatherPeaks compare for when they finally wear out. (53k, 7/10th's tread left!) For some reason, nobody has done a test with these two tires together in it. You can be the first! 😃 Hope you bite! 😁
I second this, the CC2 tires are phenomenal in the snow. I have them on my '11 Impreza and love them. The big difference between the Falken tires features in this video and CC2 tires is that CC2 specializes in snow driving and the Falkens specialize in offroad driving. CC2's have a different compound that works well in the warm and cold. Engineering Explained has a great video on them explaining how it all works.
@@corei6439did you notice any significant decrease in gas mileage with the CC2’s as the above poster did? Considering them with my ‘24 Impreza RS when the original Yokohamas start wearing out. Thanks
@@tpolerex7282 Honestly there wasn't a huge difference when talking about an Impreza. Maybe like 1or 2 mpg. The above poster mentioned the car being a hybrid. Hybrids often times put very fuel efficient tires in order to maximize numbers. Where as Imprezas were never all that fuel efficient to begin with so it has little effect.
My suspicion is who they test will largely depend on who donates tires for the test. That would be alot cheaper than buying them. Although Roman may surprise me and buy one set if he think the video's will pay enough.
Roman, please let Andre finish what he’s saying before cutting him off or going “Right right right”. You may know what he’s explaining but us listening from home may not. 10:48 talking about traction control for example
All I can say is do your research. There can be very large gaps in performance depending on the tire. The best winter tires perform nearly as well as a good studded tire and better than a cheap studded tire. The 3pms going on all season and all terrains makes me view them as entry level snow traction, but they wont nearly match a Bridgestone, Michelin, Nokian dedicated winter tire.
When I was growing up in 80s, snow in our part would fall from November to March and often it would be up to 15 inches, so many prefered very cheap "snow" tires because even cheap tires could provide excellent grip over high snow. In past decade, we have snow mainly from Feb - April, in many cases it lasts few days and you have more issues with slush, ice, black ice, even water, so tires like Continental T870, or Michelin Alpine 6 have more value even though they are not that great when there is "deep" snow.
I'm super impressed with my Michelin Crossclimate 2 tires on my Honda Accord. They are great year round tires that can handle some snow! Last winter in 8" of snow my Ford Eacape FWD work car couldn't get out of my driveway the Honda drove around without any trouble.
The cross climate 2s perform mid pack across dedicated winter tires. It’s crazy how well they perform in snow. Wet handling isn’t the best which is all I really get in Michigan winters now. Hankook kinergy are better value and a bit more evenly balanced.
@@stronghold07ptx85 I'm north of Seattle Washington and in the last year the Crossclimate 2's have been great in the rain. Way better than the Continental tires I had before.
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I understand that TFL needs the money to pay their bills, but this one still seems like a pretty crooked one on Ford's part.
@@richardnottelmann58”crooked?” Why? How? I mean, I hope they discuss his virulent racism and antisemitism at the house, but restoring an architecturally significant home is always an interesting project.
Gents, I'm looking forward to the show about the dedicated snow tire compared to the Three Peak Mountain tires. There is obviously a difference between the thrill of actually driving and computer aided/controlled driving.
I put these same exact tires on my 2016 Toyota Camry SE 4cyl with a 2" lift and love them! I'm in Kingman AZ and these tires are great in the winter. We had 10" of snow in March, lots of monsoons and these tires perform well while keeping the same OEM tire size.
Looking forward to seeing the dedicated snow tyre vs the 3pmsf tyre test.
I was very impressed with my Wild Peak A/T trails on my Rogue Sport AWD, especially in thunderstorms. Living in New Hampshire however and doing a lot of snowboarding has led me to the Ice-x snow from Michelin for winter. Looking forward driving through some good snow!
Mastercraft Glacier Grip 2 work very well. Took me everywhere in the snow with a 2 wheel drive jeep patriot. Did well in the summer in Phoenix for a couple of weeks. Didn't pop like these said some snow tires do.
LOVED my Falken Wildpeak AT3 tires on my 2017 Discovery HSE. In the mountains of Colorado and some really dense deep snow 6/7+ inches up mountain passes in "SNOW" mode I never felt that I was ever going to get stuck. They were also fantastic off road and on the trail in all sorts of situations. I put about 35,000 miles on them before having to get rid of the Disco for engine issues. I would buy the tires again 100%
Wait... So they're designed to help you accelerate faster, but NOT turn or stop better?! Sounds like a built-in recipe for disaster!
Im running BFG Trail Terrains on my Avalanche for almost 2 years now and they have been very good in the snow and ice.
They may not be snow tires, but I've put 3 peak rated tired on two different vehicles, and they were way better than standard.
Looking at the TPMS problem you're having, I have a good feeling those aftermarket sensors were programmed in the wrong frequency and protocol.
To find the right frequency, almost every TPMS diagnostic and relearn tool feature a Remote Keyless Entry & Radio Frequency monitor to identify the correct frequency.
As a mechanic, that's where I start before doing any TPMS service.
Did Discount Tire perform a relearn with a TPMS scan tool? If not that's why the TPMS light is on. You can't just stick new sensors in a wheel and expect them to sync to the vehicle, has to be "relearned".
Some sensors have stock programming that works with different vehicles - still requires a relearn to be done. Some sensors required to be programmed FOR the vehicle and then a relearn to program them TO the vehicle.
For all intents and purposes, any tire with the "3 peak snowflake" is legally considered a winter tire. (It's not as good per se) but considered as such for insurance companies. At least here. I'm not sure if they would exempt you from having to chain up in mountain passes. And yes they are absolutely rated for turning and braking and are a softer compound. They do fall short on ice however but are still better than any all season.
Next time try researching a little before you comment. The 3PMSF rating has nothing to do with turning or breaking, nor does it mean the tire has a softer compound.
I’ve seen winter tests where some M+S tires performed better in the snow than some 3PMS tires. 🤷🏻♂️. So it’s best to research thoroughly .
I have the cooper discoverer at3 4s with that 3 peek rating they are amazing in snow and in ever offroad trail I've done including deep mud rocks rain on trails over slick rocks in the north east and had no issues
I did alot of research and came to the same conclusion as you, and based on reviews on tire rack cooper discoverer at3 4s had the highest rating in winter. And I switched for Hankook dynapro at tires and its a world of difference.
i would love to see a test like this with a front wheel drive car.
I have the Wildpeak AT3Ws on our FJ. Love them!
Yes! I have a supercharged Tundra with those tires and they're great
@@JahyMoonwalker Don't get me started with superchargers. I want to slap one on our FJC.
It does not matter how old men are. Let it snow, give them a car and they will be happy. Waiting also for some snow. Got new Hankooks Kinergy 4S2 H750.
I’ve got the Falken AT Trail for summer and Nokian R5’s for winter on our Ascent. There is a big difference for sure. Mainly in turns, braking, packed snow and cold temps since they stay pliable.
Finally a proper explanation of the 3 peak mountain snow rated tire with an explanation of the difference between winter tires also. Most reviewers focus only on how well that tire type works without comparing tire types. If more people understand this I'll see less 4X4 trucks in ditches in places with cold winter if they get real winter tires. People that buy big 3 peak mountain snow rated tires think they have the best tire for all conditions. Simply not true when you drive in colder harsher winter with more ice and hard packed snow.
Using 4hi not only gets you moving forward much easier, also decreases brake distance. I use 4hi in the snow ❄️ all the time. Do not exceed 100 kph or 60 mph in 4 hi.
Andre hooning around had me reminiscing to my misspent youth. 1974 Plymouth Valiant w/a slant 6 and all season-ish tires on snow in South Dakota. Car control training ground in the winter.
Kudos to you guys for actually looking up the meaning behind the 3peak snowflake ratings. It really means very little as you can see. I think it tricks most people when selecting tires into thinking their 3peak tire is good in winter. Need more reviews calling this out.
Had these on a Volvo XC70, it was fantastic on-road and even better off-road. Did around 4000ft of vertical climbing on a 2 mile switchback trail with 6" rock ledges and lots of loose, flat rock no problem. Never tried them in the snow, sold the car (due to terrible gas mileage + high used car prices) before the season. Another terrific and similar tire is the Pirelli WeatherActive, which I have on the replacement car.
Hi from Costa Rica. No snow around here only one set of tires used.
Those hurricanes 🌀 tho
Tires + a good traction system and that is all for a nice snowy week end. I love my RR.
I run general grapper ATx on my sierra year round and have done so for 6 plus years. They work just fine in canadian winters.
Have had quite a few tires on my SUV's over the years. I had Interco Truxxus STX on our Blazer and they were great in mud, but snow and wet roads not so much. They were also very loud. We had Pirelli Scorpion AT+ on our FWD Escape and they were great not only in rain and snow but pretty good in mud. I think they were 3 peak rated. We originally had General Grabber AT+ on our 4Runner also good on road, rain and snow. Maybe not quite as good as the Pirelli's. We switched to Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT's and they are surprisingly good on road, in rain and snow for an agressive off-road tire. Amazing in mud and trails. Dry on road and highway performance did suffer a bit. They are also 3 peak rated. Have heard good reviews of the Wildpeaks. They do seem to work well on the Range Rover.
I can attest to the wildpeak trail tires...had them on my Grand Cherokee. No complaints. But I just got new AT3Ws on my Z71 yesterday from Discount Tire....same issue with my TPMS.
On ice filled roads when I lived in Nova Scotia I use the 660 fire stone on my vehicle and never got stuck once it’s a racing tire. Have a great day.
I like how you guys test all these things. I have Hankook Dynapro AT2 Extremes on my truck, that also have "3-Peak Mountain Snowflake".
I’ve used budget winter tyres and 3PMSF all weather (Vredestein quatrac) in snow. The all weathers were better. If I lived in Scandinavia or Canada and had really cold conditions, I’d go with a premium winter tyre.
Guys, when you do your 3pmsf vs. winter tire video, do you think you could also compare studless winter tires against studded ones? Ive seen lots of different tire and traction aid comparison videos for winter driving, but somehow it seems nobody has done one comparing studded and studless tires!
The most important part to adjust in snow is the loose nut behind the wheel.
I’ll take a bad driver with winter tires over a good driver with slicks any day.
@@Redhawk24 Slicks is a little dramatic. But an experienced snow driver with all seasons can be very capable in snow. I have known a few New Englanders who could take a rear wheel drive car with all season through 8 inches of snow.
@@shattered115 agree.
I saw what you did there..😄
The 3PMSF tyres are very common in Europe. Two of my UK-based cars run Michelin Cross Climates with this rating all year round. They have to drive 600 miles to get to the mountains so they’re obviously a compromise, but a pretty good one. On my Volvo V90 Cross Coutry B5D I get about 45mpg (UK) on a long, fast journey. And in two winters, I have never been stranded. My car that lives permanently in the Alps (another V90 CC) wears more extreme Michelin Alpins all year round - but I really cannot detect how they are better in heavy snow or hard pack.
With my experience all tires have different pros and cons, haven’t found a “do it all” tire I have found. Example my Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac was very good in winter conditions than BFG KO2 and Falken Wildpeak AT3W. But for offroad traction BFG KO2 was better. I wonder how BFG KO3 would be. Now I’m trying Toyo Open Country AT3. For anyone asking why not dedicated winter tires? Here in CO temperature fluctuate A LOT. So for me now worth the trouble of changing tires very often. Else I would melt the dedicated snow tires like Roman said. Goodyear Wrangler Duratrac LTs are also studable if anyone want to go that route.
Of course not being an insider I can't say for sure,but I suspect this class of tires is made with the weather conditions you described in mind. It seems to me like they would be the best compromise possible so if you have to get out you can. But then again I'm abit of a fan of the Jack of all Trades concept,even if it means none can be mastered. For most folks being able to do everything in safety is probably better than being a Master at any one thing but unable to do anything else.
I’ve found the Toyo AT3s to be excellent on the road and very good in all weather and trail conditions.
@@Jeff-ib7wc that's good to know. I havn't had a chance to test the OC AT3s on a good trail. (New born, so no offroading for a while). On pavement in winter conditions they were pretty good.
lol, no surprise the Russian is at home drifting in the snow. Love the content!
Judging by the amount of snow “attaching” to the tires, they were working as at least a basic level of “snow” tires. To me, that’s kind of the biggest factor in whether the tires actually work in the snow. Obviously, real winter tires work better, but there are always trade-offs if you off-road. I put Blizzaks on my LC200 a few years ago, but, to me, that meant no off-roading until those tires came off (the rubber was so soft that even a little time on some rocks was ripping them apart). They made a huge improvement in the snow over the KO2s that were on the rest of year, but that was a bit of a bummer. I had Nokian Outpost ATs on my Ram 1500 and those were better in the snow than the KO2s, but not as good as dedicated snows, of course. I never felt the need for dedicated snows with those tires - different vehicle, of course. On the other end, my Model S LR would be undeliverable in the snow without dedicated snows (in my opinion). Always love these tires test videos!
Well enough to get you past most California chain control for AWD/4WD vehicles.
Try the Nokian Tyres Hakkapeliitta 10 SUV studded winter tire!
I like studded snow tires, but it doesn't snow enough in Boulder anymore to justify them.
I’ve got them on my wife’s Forester; we’re in the snow belt on Lake Erie in NWPA. They’re excellent in the snow!
I’ve got them on my wife’s Forester; we’re in the snow belt on Lake Erie in NWPA. They’re excellent in the snow!
I prefer the Bridgestone Blizzak's on my 2017 Cherokee. With those on and in Snow mode I haven't found a hill yet that it won't climb. A friend that lives out of town has a 8% grade driveway and I can climb up the 1/4 mile long drive better and faster than his 1 ton Chevy with Cooper Snow tires.
I have Toyo AT3’s on a CRD liberty, and they leave a lot to be desired. The Pirelli Zero all seasons my Durango Tow and Go are perform better. BTW thanks TFL for the videos on the Tow and Go, I would have never known it existed or bought one.
Just sold my KO2s and put a set of Mickey Thompson baja boss ATs on. Strange I noticed the siping only goes about 1/3-1/2 of the way down. So essentially when the tire is less than 60% life there will be zero siping. Wth??
And the Mickey Thompsons aren’t any better than the KO2s in snow.
Other than looking great they were a big mistake
Can't wait for the real winter tires test!
Love the snow videos!
Love to see a comparison with the cooper at3 4s you reviewed a while back
I have those tires on my 2005 Subaru Outback XT manual that I lifted 1-1.25”. Don’t need the 3peak snowflake rating in Honolulu
I had these tires on a tuscon that i took mudding and offoading all the time. That poor hyundai put in WORK beyond what any of you could imagine lmao and thoae tires carried it through everything.
Michelin cross climate 2 vs Michelin xice snow
Been running mich cc2 for the last year on my Grand Cherokee.
They are Awsome. Run all year.
Check out Tyre Reviews...he did this! (Plus two other Michelin "all season" tires.)
Vredestein Wintrac Pro on my Subaru. TANK.
Thanks Guys love your videos and channel. I'm looking a buying a used Range Rover Sport with 35,000 miles as a second vehicle for myself, my primary is a 2023 VW Golf R. I'm super interested in the long term reviews, and things to be congnizent when lookin gfor a used RR Sport. Y'all Da best! Go BEARS!!!
I have the BFG Trail terrain tires on my 2013 WK2, and they are amazing in snow!
Yeah I have a set of those on my 13 avalanche and they are very good, seemed to never need the 4wd on lol
I like goodyear duratracs in the snow. Great wet traction as well.
They are my go to. Have been running them for years on my Ram 1500, Jeep Wrangler and 5th Gen 4Runner here on the West Coast of Canada. They are all I run
Got blizzaks on a Tacoma trd off-road. They destroy the bfg ko2’s I had on. There is no comparison
TFL, home of the subjective test.
Can you test the pilot sport all season 4s. They’re supposed to be really good in the snow for an AS tire.
can you guys give a comparison between this and the michelin crossclimate you had on the Model Y before?
Please compare with BFGoodrich Trail Terrain and Continental Terrain Contact.
What snow tire would you recommend for a jeep cherokee trail hawk?
Hey Andre- "Time to make the donuts!" 😆 Drive it like a Russian! 👍
Damn, i hate to admit that i like that Range Rover
Certainly goes well.
Love the snow videos.
Calling tires “all season” is one of the biggest scams in the automotive world. There are a lot of people that don’t understand by looking at a tire what will make good traction by tread or understand anything about compounds. They rely on the tire classification. They unknowingly endanger themselves, their passengers and others sharing the road with them because they were told the tire they’re purchasing is fine in all conditions. I don’t mean that as an insult to them, they going on what they are told by the industry. There’s very little in the way to help people make an informed decision. But hey, at least it’s a federal mandate that the doors automatically lock
Interesting. I'm from Germany and these tires have been mandatory for at least the last 20 Years. I'm somewhat baffled, that they are a new concept for you.
That looked fun!
The guy from Tyre Reviews, test all tiresto the limit including All Terrains against Snow. Folks should check that channel out for a bigger opinion.
Loving these Range Rover videos want to see more
That three peak Mountain symbol already exists for years. In the European alps this symbol is mandatory to be catagorized as winter tyre.
"acceleration" is defined as a change in velocity.... so turning and stopping are both technically "acceleration"
Two young teenagers having fun in the snow 😀
They paid for the tires but not the review, what? Free 4 x 20 inch tires is about $1,200.00. They definitely paid you unless you are giving them back in a few days.
So, multi-billion dollar Ford company cannot afford to keep up their own buildings. They need to hold raffles to get the public to pay for their land. I know people are going to be mad about me posting this but come on seriously.
I mean almost all the companies almost had gone bankrupt
It's more of Ford as a corporation doesn't want to pay to upkeep Henry Ford's land but they'll give a 40-50k bronco (their price) as a donation to the non profit so they can do that. Ford gets a kickback on their taxes for the donation and the non profit (probably ran by an ex Ford executive) gets to run an event that will probably net $300k+. 50k for the Ford's property and the other $250k for the non profits staff pay. 😉🫣
@@skunkworks9-3 okay now that makes alot more sense but I gotta admit that ford bronco raptor is sick
@@skunkworks9-3to be fair they gave the land to University of Michigan and they did not upkeep it
@@FreedomtooffroadFord & tesla are the only ones who didn't go bankrupt and take a bailout.
Range +Rover = Service. Simple math is awesome . 🤓
did you know that an air conditioner in a car actually reverses flow when its cold outside to help heat the cab of the car without pulling heat away from the cold engine? it is important the AC compressor system is working all year not just when it is hot outside.
I cannot emphasize more with people around me how important tires are, especially here in the states where you see frequent snowfalls, all season tires are basically useless unless you are in the southen states, the 3 peak mountain all season (or All weather) tires is a must in the area where you snow, but these tires are not getting the attention needed and there are still many people running the dangerous normal all season tires
Glad you pointed out what this snowflake-rated tire does not include, a winter compound. Some people will no doubt buy these thinking they are a "real" (dedicated) winter tire.
That abs was working overtime to cope with inertia coming from this "little SUV". The thing with all season/all weather/3peaks... they all compromise. In my book if you're on snow, get snow tires - you get brakes and steering, not just acceleration... and only once or twice every couple of years they'll help you avoid a big costly problem. And that day will come, unless you're the perfect driver and never make a mistake. That's when they pay for themselves
I use to call BS until I actually got my own 3 peak tires and noticed a heck of a differenece.
Exactly the review is VERY baised against these tires!
@@jmc6000 I'm running the trail terrain currently and they are incredible, I can't speak on the falken as I've never had them but based on a million other reviews they're impressive too.
I don’t think they are biased. They are just saying the 3peak rating is very easy to achieve. And as such you can have 3peak tires that aren’t very good in winter compared to 3peak dedicated snow/winters.
@@gs98999 I can only speak on tires I've ran, which never was dedicated snow tire and my last two sets were 3 peak instead of a boring all season and the difference is large between the two.
@@jacobshort5378 yeah, there can be a big difference across the range. Something like a KO2 is a 3 peak and it’s much better in snow than all seasons that come on trucks, but it’s still nowhere near as good as say Michelin Xice in snow and especially ice
hi let's compare Tоuareg 4.2 3.2 petrol in the snow
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Lost me at stability control
Can't beat KO2
The Michelin Crossclimate 2 are the best 3 peak tires. Better than some dedicated snow tires and nearly as good as the best snow tires
A couple of little boys with a rather expensive toy!
You can tell Nathan really enjoys doing these paid sponsor ads...
So you get to the accident faster...lol
I just have to say, How stupid are people who dont use Winter tires in the winter time. And you that live in Alaska or Canada, you should try tires that are ment for Norway, Sweden or Finland.
Wow how stupid this comment is
I know it’s a privilege to work in the TFL family, but really? You’re making the guys work the weekend for a twelve minute Slidey-slidey video in an office park?
I'm sorry Roman but a snow tire on a 500plus horsepower SUV would have the EXACT same result! Your prejudice against these type of tires is showing hard.
The point is tires that are good all around in different weather. Obviously dedicated snow tires are better in winter conditions.
Umm no
Not great IMO. I have 3 Peak Blizzaks... no slipping. If you're going to get Winter tires... these aren't it.
Love my cross climate 2 all year snow tires . 60k warranty
Bonjour André and Roman. Here in the province of Québec, all passenger vehicules registered in our province must have winter tires on from december 1st. to march 15th. It's been this way since 2008. Makes a lot of sense and it's much safer for everyone on the road. I have Nokian Nordman 9 on my 2023 Chevy Bolt. Greetings from Montréal, Québec. 🖖
Yup. One of the few laws I agree with from Quebec. Lol 3 peak mountain snowflake tires count.
The Falken tires shown here didn't pass as acceptable in any Swedish tire tests. This type of tire are standard winter tires in continental Europe, but useless in Sweden, Norway and Finland, where a majority uses studded tires during winter or uses special Nordic winter tires, that are superior in lower temperatures.
Anyone driving in snow or ice should use studded tires. The best nordic winter tires in test 2023 is Continental Vikingcontact 7, and the best studded tire is
Michelin X-ice North 4. P.s winter tires are required by law between 1.dec. and 1.april in Sweden, Norway and Finland.
in southern Sweden we get by on standard Winter tires no need for studs we even use all season Tires with the three peak symbol eg Continental all season contact or Michelin cross climates very few use studded tires in the North I know this because I grew up in Åre. I personally use all seasons from 1st December never had any issues even when we do get deep snow which is rare.
@@Azureecosse hejsan. Jag bor själv i Blekinge. Alla mina grannar köra konsekvent på dubbdäck. Jag själv har altid bara kört på vanliga vinterdäck, men har i år köpt "nordiske " vinterdäck. Jag tror enda skillnaden är temperatur känsligheten. Det är överraskande att du säger dubbdäck inte är så nyttjad i norra Sverige. Jag har varit mycket i norra Sverige, men aldrig på vinteren. Jag gissar det är för att man inte nyttja salt på vägarna däruppe, men jag tänker fortfarande att om dubbdäck borde nyttjas någonstans borde det vara på all isen i norr!?.
Varför alla mina grannar köra på dubbdäck i Blekinge, kan bero på att det alla är gamla bönder. Men när jag tittar på begagnade bilar har flertalet fortfarande dubbdäck medföljande som vinterdäck, så det kan inte vara så ovanligt ändå. Jag fick även dubbdäck medföljande den senaste bil jag har köpt och den har aldrig lämnat Stockholm. 😀
I spent 20 years in Oregon and Washington state for college and then my career. I lived in Corvallis Oregon for 5, Portland Oregon for 10 years and then Yakima Washington for 5. We got a lot of ice in Oregon so many people would choose studded tires for the ice days and give up wet traction. All the libtards in Portland and Seattle figured the damage from metal studs was costing too much so they went to plastic and then from what I heard from friends they outlawed all studs and went to stud less winter tires.
I don’t have much need for winter tires here in Honolulu Hawai’i. I have heard that several European countries require dedicated snow tires in the winter (had Danish & Swedish friends on the Uni’s volleyball team tell me that).
@@J.Young808 I wouldn't mind being in Honululu right now. I am danish but live in southern Sweden and it is cooold at the moment. Studded tires are not legal in Denmark and there's no law requirement for winter tires there unlike Sweden, Norway and Finland. But most people do use wintertires even if it's not required by law.
I have always just had a set of summer tires and a set of winter tires, but I have also invested in a third set of studded wintertires, because even though most highways and cities are effectively cleared and salted, there are periods now and again with alot of ice and worst of all : black ice, and that's when I want studded tires.
On youtube there's alot of videos with Americans skating into each other with their cars as though they drove on ice with slick tires. It's moments like that, I asked myself why ! They obviously live in a cold state, so why aren't they prepared. It's entertaining and tragically stupid at the same time.
Test the Nokian WR G4 🙂
While it's not part of the official rules for earning a 3 peak mountain snowflake, I do believe that most of these "all weather" tires do in fact have the softer rubber compound that allows better grip during colder months. As soft as a dedicated winter tire? No, obviously not. But softer than a traditional "all season?" Yes. What's interesting to me about an All Terrain tire bearing the 3PMS designation is that an off road tire's design with widely spaced lugs and tread patterns meant for clearing mud, is directly at odds with how a traditional snow tire works. Namely a snow tire wants snow to collect between the treads because, as I learned from a Bridgestone tire engineer and my years of making snowmen, snow sticks to snow, increasing grip!
They do, it's required.
I would love to see a head to head test for the Michelin CrossClimate2's against the Bridgestone WeatherPeak's. I have the CrossClimate2's on my 18' Camry Hybrid and they are outstanding tires. The best tires I've ever owned by far. But they killed the gas mileage on my hybrid, so I would like to see how the WeatherPeaks compare for when they finally wear out. (53k, 7/10th's tread left!) For some reason, nobody has done a test with these two tires together in it. You can be the first! 😃 Hope you bite! 😁
I second this, the CC2 tires are phenomenal in the snow. I have them on my '11 Impreza and love them. The big difference between the Falken tires features in this video and CC2 tires is that CC2 specializes in snow driving and the Falkens specialize in offroad driving. CC2's have a different compound that works well in the warm and cold. Engineering Explained has a great video on them explaining how it all works.
@@corei6439did you notice any significant decrease in gas mileage with the CC2’s as the above poster did? Considering them with my ‘24 Impreza RS when the original Yokohamas start wearing out. Thanks
@@tpolerex7282 Honestly there wasn't a huge difference when talking about an Impreza. Maybe like 1or 2 mpg. The above poster mentioned the car being a hybrid. Hybrids often times put very fuel efficient tires in order to maximize numbers. Where as Imprezas were never all that fuel efficient to begin with so it has little effect.
My suspicion is who they test will largely depend on who donates tires for the test. That would be alot cheaper than buying them. Although Roman may surprise me and buy one set if he think the video's will pay enough.
Roman, please let Andre finish what he’s saying before cutting him off or going “Right right right”. You may know what he’s explaining but us listening from home may not. 10:48 talking about traction control for example
All I can say is do your research. There can be very large gaps in performance depending on the tire. The best winter tires perform nearly as well as a good studded tire and better than a cheap studded tire. The 3pms going on all season and all terrains makes me view them as entry level snow traction, but they wont nearly match a Bridgestone, Michelin, Nokian dedicated winter tire.
Yep! Love my Yokohama Geolander A/Ts but snow tires are still going to brake better on ice.
When I was growing up in 80s, snow in our part would fall from November to March and often it would be up to 15 inches, so many prefered very cheap "snow" tires because even cheap tires could provide excellent grip over high snow. In past decade, we have snow mainly from Feb - April, in many cases it lasts few days and you have more issues with slush, ice, black ice, even water, so tires like Continental T870, or Michelin Alpine 6 have more value even though they are not that great when there is "deep" snow.
How about find an old 80s blocky winter tire vs modern tire with soft tire compound?
Yay global warming!
I'm super impressed with my Michelin Crossclimate 2 tires on my Honda Accord. They are great year round tires that can handle some snow! Last winter in 8" of snow my Ford Eacape FWD work car couldn't get out of my driveway the Honda drove around without any trouble.
The cross climate 2s perform mid pack across dedicated winter tires. It’s crazy how well they perform in snow. Wet handling isn’t the best which is all I really get in Michigan winters now. Hankook kinergy are better value and a bit more evenly balanced.
@@stronghold07ptx85 I'm north of Seattle Washington and in the last year the Crossclimate 2's have been great in the rain. Way better than the Continental tires I had before.