Giorno vs Goku DEBUNKED
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
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ok goku ap is not lowmultiversal where did you get that from
@@danielcurry4209 bro. He is obviously multiversal
It's said that it activated when someone has ill(edited coz of autocorrect) motives against Giorno. Source?? It's the stand stat card. You got the KC ability correct. Still it doesn't give Goku much chance for winning here. RTZ reverts everything back to 0. The 0 point is the point when GER gets activated. So even if Goku does anything or even has an intent to do anything RTZ gets activated. So my conclusion is that
Giorno with GE and is about to pierce himself with requiem arrow loses to Goku whereas,
Giorno with GER activated already wins.
@@danielcurry4209 It is more obvious than anything else obvious
Jojo fans with their headcanon is mind boggling, they even added more abilities which the character doesn't even have nor its been shown to have in canon
He “Erases” time.
Through Diavolo's perspective, everything breaks away into that void, he sees the red images of people,
During this period, everything fated to happen had time not been erased, happens. The only person who is an exception to this is Diavolo. If he was fated to get punched if the ability wasn't activated, it won't happen, but if he was fated to kill someone had the ability not been activated, it will happen. An example of this is Narancia. He can also reposition himself somewhere else to do a surprise attack on his opponent or to escape the fight.
Through everyone else's perspective, time simply skips. If they were walking up stairs and Diavolo activates Time Erase, they'll just teleport up the steps not knowing why.
Yeah, but I guess a better term instead of "Erasing Time" would be "Skipping a selected period of time" in which case its more so that he's skipping a selected time period of actions in which for example Diavolo could originally take a 4 piece combo and turn it into a 2 piece combo if that makes sense
@@FLASH12708yeah
the events in the erased time still happen but without diavolo so it is skipping and NOT erasing. For diavolo it APPEARS that the time is erased but it is actually just time skipped.
@@KurosakiNexus yeah skipping would have been a better word for araki to use
GER speed is literally stated as irrelevant in the guide books because the moment someone intends to attack GER or giorno the ability activates, because if it didn't then GER wouldn't be able to stop time erase because it's fate manipulation.
Ger literally Blatantly states that he is only showing diavolo a visual of what would have happened is his moves actually came to be, but that will never happen regardless of the ability it power of the opponent because they'll never arrive at the truth of the move even beginning to happen, diavolo himself literally claims "I never even moved to begin with" attacks against GER don't exist and never happen and are proven to be automatic the ability will activate regardless of of giorno or GER being aware of an enemy nearby because GER will always know when someone intends to harm him.
Ger is still a reactionary stand. Yes it may be automatic but that just means girono doesnt need to be aware in order for RTZ to work. Ger still has to recognize an action has happend in order for RTZ to activate. Also "attacks against ger never exist and didnt happend" not exactly. You do relize that the action has to happen first in order for said action to be returened to zero right. Meaning that action has to have happened in order for it to be revereted. You cant revert sometime that hasn't happend yet. Also i dont know how ger reacting in diavlos time erase proves that speed is irrlevent when all time erase does is erase peoples preception of time. Has nothing to do with speed
@@olp3850there is one feat idk if it's relevant, but if Silver chariot requiem can manipulate souls while being berserk (you have to kill yourself or have reality bending) and GER is the controlled requiem it's implied you have to be not only body strong, but soul strong + to kill him you have to have reality bending (this is not shown and could be false, but compering GER is extremely difficult and that's why you can't say Goku nor Giorno wins, it's like speculating if Putin or Stalin would win 1 vs 1 boxer match)
@@Kira_Yoshikage_part4no you dont need reality bending
@@Kira_Yoshikage_part4Not fast enough
You could not prove any of Their points wrong
You just ignored them
No hate brotha
@@ShaanBin-pr6xo i don't want to disprove anything just saying to beat silver chariot requiem can't be killed without your death, unless you have hacks to do it like reality bending and GER is supposed to be stronger than SCR
Someone who actually tries to use reasoning and goes by what’s actually on the text? The power scaling community is in good hands it appears.
But he's wrong? Araki, the creator of JoJo said that GER is so powerful he isn't able to be scaled. All of his stats read NONE. Compare that to the highest speed feats in JoJo like made in heaven, and that means he has immeasurable speed.
@@ezrabasurto2555 Oh, can you link where the creator has said this? Even if he did say that, that doesn't really matter as we're going off what we know of the characters abilities through the text, so death of the author.
@@princelamar1735 its literally in the anime when ger stats show up.......
@@ExiledMajor Where?
@@princelamar1735 let me get a link rq
"Solos the verse" He's acting like ger would even damage diashinkin 💀
Daishinkan can negate haxes as well as all the angels 💀
Daishinkan negs Jojoverse
Kid Goku could already keep up with Arale who could run backwards through time via sheer speed
Arale Is a joke character
Bro said giorano had irrelevant speed when diavlo stopped time
But when hit stopped time he says goku has mftl + speed 😭😭😭 bros just hella biased
A lot of Jojo fans are some ppl think dio can beat Goku "dio can stop time and suck his blood"
@@Plutonian-t5f there are some jojos charcters that beat goku but gio just isnt but dio with the world ultimate could probably beat goku and wonder of you might be another jojos stand that beats an probably beat goku but both of those arent cannon
@@Kingkaidozw2there's something funny in the db verse called being stronger it's rlly stupid but the stronger u r the less hacks work too u can see it when hit moves 2 tenths into the future when goku went kaioken he overwhelmed hit rendering his abilities useless
Diavolo doesn’t stop time, what?
What anime is bro watchijg😂🙏
KC erases time that has been processed and knows what to expect through epitaph. Once 10 seconds of time past, the 10 seconds of time is also erased. So it does erase time, just processes it before its erased. GER was reacting while it was erased.
1:35 technically speaking, GER wasn’t even moving in “erased time” at all, he was doing the moves that he was fated to do and it was only then when diavolo was about to punch GER it activated (One of KC’s drawbacks to time erase is that it can’t interact with objects until after time erase)
Which means fate is on giorno's side even tho fated things have happened the ultimate end point remains as giorno winning he alsoreacts in erased time as u see diavalo says "how can he react in erased time?" He also reacted in reverted time erase
GER did in fact move in erased time.
You're right about how KC can't interact with objects until after time erasure. However, if KC was fated to interact with something, then he will interact them. An example of this is when KC chopped off Trish's hand. He was able to chop off Trish's hand during time erasure because her hand was fated to be chopped off by KC.
During the final battle with GER, KC uses Epitaph and sees that he is fated to punch Giorno through his stomach. This situation is just like the one with Trish.
Since punching Giorno counts as an action, GER decided to finally react during time erasure the moment Diavolo was about to punch and use RTZ
3:30 in this panel its stated that diaboro is outside of reality so that means that GER put him in a infinity death loop outside of reality (a parallel universe)
Like how “contradictions” is an argument when dragonball contradicts itself every single arc to the point I had to stop defending it and just shut off my brain
Well yeah no shit
It's a franchise that has been running for years and toriyama isn't even the one writing anymore
Not to mentioned the data books and guides by the retarded staff members
But none of those contractions affect the fact that goku is way above ger in everything
I think that the GER/Golden experience requiem is automatic for the simple fact that even within the Skip team it was working, because it is also worth remembering that in the time stop the Diavolo is completely Immune to attacks and etc, and no one would be able to hit him with his stand, let alone see him and even before diavolo deactivated the team Skip Giorno already nullified/returned diavolo's actions to 0. And yes the Guy from the video other than the one who is debunking was wrong about just thinking about it is already returned, since the only stand shown in the work that does this is just the Wonder of U by tooru but following. If by any chance what I said about the Skip team is not confirmed we can consider the part in which even before diavolo activated or when he activated the Skip team, it was already canceled, and the giorno or stand said that everything was already at 0, I think I could understand the part of the automatic stand. And in question your doubts about the erasure is that actually when diavolo activates the time flood, he jumps for 10s and in those 10s he can see the next attacks, and nothing there would hit him, for Why is he kind of moving while time is erased, a proof that he erases time and in the episode where the giorno is bleeding and after the Diavolo makes the Skip time, the blood is already there It's on the floor Just imagine a video editor, for example when you make a cut that's practically what Diavolo does, Diavolo doesn't speed up the time but cuts a part of this time from 10s to be more exact,The extra thing is that as I said, he can only move while time is stopped and as he is moving it would be like his body isn't there anymore so that's why bullets go through Bullets and attacks go through him, because he is in constant movement in the Skip time, and as I also said, what he sees would be the next movements in the erased time because that would be what would be being done there Done if he didn't choose to skip, because in the editor you have to choose the beginning and end of the video you want to delete, and with that you see the beginning, middle and end and then you cut, it's like that time skip.
Bro sorry but im not gonna read all that
@@filippobassoli-tr9zj No problem man
@@-akyranami9017Did you really call it a time stop? Also yes it is passive and would at least stalemate Goku
@@nighfiniteNo because if goku is affect by GER return zero, he would be put in dead loop.
@@marx2875 If GER can react to Goku’s attack in the first place
how can you claim nothing shows it activating instantly when it was activated in the midst of diavolos ability which locks fate into existence and disallows anyone to actively perceive it giorno was not conscious for rtz its always active
Giorno wasn’t aware of return to zero happening but his stand had already registered that king crimson was going to kill gojo. Plus return to zero doesn’t even matter since goku negated rtz since
1: He’s infinitely times stronger
2: Has better speed
3: Higher dimensionality
I love both of these characters
If I remember correctly it was stated by diavolo that he erasures the process of an event only leaving the result. I’d imagine what we see is simply just the things diavolo is deleting
I still think you should do a "how strong video" much like with Luffy it's hard for me put and exact scale on him
things be able to move in erased time (except for Diavolo) was because of Fate moving them to a specific location
Where was this stated?
@@hacksawman2381 m.ua-cam.com/video/yBe_xVBxrls/v-deo.htmlm19s
I think what happens is that KC shows the movements that are going to happen but it erases everyone else’s perspectives of time and it just skips in a way.
@@hacksawman2381because actions still happen during time skip. Diavalo doesn't actually "erase" time. He just skips 10 seconds into the future. So instead of enduring the whole action he can just skip to the end the action still happens. If Diavalo sees giorno being hit by a car he can just skip to giorno being on the floor afterwards it doesn't change that giorno walked into a road
The true power of G.E.R. is that one's actions reset to zero and can only be defeated by rewriting reality.
Not really. There are multiple stands that don't warp reality that would beat giorno or could beat him in the right situation.
“We’re gonna ignore headcannon” *makes a headcannon of how diavalo works*
And even if it activates instantly, goku currently can casually break through time, and he's faster than an instant. It still wouldn't work
Honestly I think giorno ties to any without reality altering powers goku is stronger than giorno by like 10,000+ times but it’d be a tie (atleast in my opinion)
A key thing about GER people don’t understand is that they have to actually be able to win for revert to have any effect, sure they can STALEMATE most fights, but they’d it’s win.
Turn brick into ant
Shove ant down his throat
Turn ant back into brick
Goku dies of asphyxiation
Giorno’s strongest trait is his intellect, something goku fanboys clearly doesn’t hav.
@@aiwod Yeah but Goku dying from having something long and hard in his throat is funnier
@@MichaelMcDoesntExistThat's if giorno even remembers he has the ability to do that 😂 he could've ended so many fights if he just understood how bs his stand is
@@RoyalRegimentofScotland Buddy, Giorno is one of the most intelligent stand users in all of Jojo. He can think of a strategy 100x better than mine.
@@MichaelMcDoesntExist I was joking at the fact that in part 5 giorno just doesn't use half of his op powers. Obviously girono is a genius
Kosu I don’t know if the vid would change your mind but I recommend watching metas most terrifying stands golden experience requiem it’s debunks how powerful ger is with a ton of scaling like a ton and states from the creator etc like it scales him well
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Also my guess for the guest hosts on superman vs whis are Webcamparrot, Dream, or Niarobi.
People need to realize that there is a thing like stalemate=none win and none lose. which will most likely happen here cuz they are still unable to kill each other. I think that in this video GER is made to look weaker than it is but still i think that they would not or could not kill each other. Also we all know (or at lease a lot of us) how specific stands abilities are so there is a chance that KC's ability is to erase time but the things that are fated to happen still happen withing that time that people do not experience because it never happened aka the definition of KC's ability that is erasure of cause. It does not erase the actions within this time it simply stepped out of time and made the time in that 10 seconds frame no longer exist so basically it is a mix of skipping time and erasing time. But that is just my opinion on the matter and you can tell me what you think about it.
I despise both goku stans and giorno stans
@@lukegardner7523 that sure is an opinion
@Powerful Porridge no he doesn’t. Goku supresses his ki. That’s y he got hurt by a bullet. His base is uni plus durability. And regardless he can use ui in base so giorno can’t hit him. He can also go into ui without having to power up. Do u even know how ger works? It reverts a attack back to zero. It reverts time back to the point of attack. The point of attack would b after he power ups so ger would take them back to the point of after the power up. Also what if goku hakais giorno? Even if time is reversed giorno will still b erased from existence so reverting time will not bring giorno back. And if he hakais him his stand will b erased as well since damage to stand effects the user. Even then it is stated that ger reverts any intent of harm of giorno goku while using ui is literally not thinking. So would her even work because there’s no I’ll intent because goku again is literally not thinking so there’s no I’ll intent
@Powerful Porridge his durability in base is strong enough to take zero damage. And u still can’t refute that hakai can kill him. In order for his ability to work a action has to b done to him. If goku hakai erases giorno he’s erased from existence. Even reversing time won’t bring him back
Ive seen so many of these, and I repeat:NO. GER does not need to kill someone to activate a loop. Here's why:
GER's core ability is that those affected it would "never reach the truth". If GER kills someone, that person would've "reached the truth", AKA death, and GER has no chance of resetting something that has already arrived at the truth. It follows, therefore, that GER could not have killed Diavolo, otherwise the death loop could never be set in the first place. In other words, no, GER DOES NOT need to kill anyone to set them into the death loop.
Also, it states in the stand ability book that GER only needs touch the victim sooooo
Both the first points might be correct because ger was activated in the episode when giorno was in erased time and ger also stated that "even giorno isnt aware of this"
On top of that ger's full capabilities and stats are not fully shown yet (stats in manga) so if i was that person i wouldnt even power scale ger with goku yet
G.E.R is basically never gonna return what we see is probably what we I’ll always have
Half the time if you simulated this battle, it would be a stalemate
Could u do this with saitama aswell? That'd be way better then me having to explain it 🗿
Also GER ony moved cuz his power either way, and one more thing, we haven't seen ANY (even though it was only 1) stand that got faster with requiem, requiem gives abilities not stats.
And I can't wait for that benimaru scale, it's finna be worth the wait fr.
( if you dont want to read all this to cut it short giorno would be fighting some of the stronger cast in dbz forever ) This is a greatly edited video but i'd like to state on a few topics the bloke was talking about, Cause and Effect manipulation is simple as that, if you were to have any ill intentions against giorno your act in doing so like attacking him would have never happend, as this is a passive ability that giorno is mostly unaware of as stated in the anime, hes mostly untouchable in that matter, i'd like to go back to when i said "Act", what i mean by that is like if you have an action to attack giorno it'd never happens, also i'd like to rephrase what he said by "Automatic" now if we go by revert to zero's terms it'd be like i said earlier any act against giorno never happens, a passive meaning its a natural occurance, another way to say it is like action=activation=crossout-action then repeat, aswell i will say "Requiem must register that an attack has happend" would be correct to what i said earlier to action=activation=crossout-action i will mention this is a passive ability, a natural occurance, so say goku was to attack ger speed of light, said attack would be crossed out as if it never happend, i can't say that ger would match goku in strength though reaction time for revert to zero itself cannot be scaled accurately since its a passive ability, though not instant the passive ability itself had to be activated at the start of the fight, in doing so goku would have a split second to attack giorno but by then said attack would be cancelled out as if it never happend, like my previous statements, i'm aswell going to re iterate what the bloke here said about GER moving in erased time, erased time is leaping past time itself it doesnt inherently make ger faster whatsoever but this isnt saying ger isnt fast, im going to again re iterate what he meant by "space time" after diavolo was "killed" ger made a dimension for him to die infinetly, although ger is strong would prolly beat some side characters would prolly be in an infinite beef with the stronger ones including goku.
Incase anybody asks "How is revert to zero a passive ability?" i'm going to bring up how in the anime right as diavolo was going to attack giorno revert to zero was activated right then and there, before GER wasen't moving in erased time as it had no need to as the ability wasen't activated.
ua-cam.com/video/r_mfpy2ZyQQ/v-deo.html when you go to this link go to directly 3:08, right as diavolo was going to attack giorno the effect had taken place then you know what happens next.
GER activated the ability right as giorno was about to face imminent harm as you can see.
@@ExiledMajor but hit destroys him tho
@@vegeets3710 hit got his shit bypassed by a guy who doesnt even have ger
And Shinra speedblitzes them and their ancestors.
And their great granchildren
Who was talking about shinra?
@@rjsomething8368 your mum
And Goku shits on him after he hits Goku
Cause he's not hurting him
@@STAMATT125 goku would be dead mate. He almost died from a laser when he was offguard. Shinra would kill Goku before he knew what was happening
In short, King Crimson erases a time stamp or a clip of time to skip forward into another.
brother giorno's requiem stand is self aware meaning yes it is automatic even if giorno can't react to it hit stand will
Someone really threw $5 just for Tizzy to lie to them
Fax I used to think Tizzy and thunder luck are good debaters until Tizzy pulls out this shit and Thundercluck scaled gojo to 5D 🤣
@@mysticman331 cluck scaled gojo to WHAT?
@@hacksawman2381 Yeah, he scales Gojo to uni using the “hollow purple” technique Gojo has.
Guys can we take a moment to think how diavolo actually got into those situations of infinite death in the first place, because when deaconess time skip was returned, it was exactly how it was before, and it also begs the question how diavolo was conscious and could visible be shown screaming, but not be able to move, during the surgery. He wouldn’t be on drugs or anesthesia because he is presumed dead, so that’s also something that I question. It could be thought that GER manipulates reality, which would explain much. How he can pretty much station diavolo anywhere, and also return the time skip as well. Not only that, but GER somehow manages to move and talk with diavolo, and he also managed to somehow escape his imminent death, as shown with the vision epitaph gave. So I personally feel that GER probably shouldn’t be power scaled at all, since we really don’t know what the hell it does. Also, I do think that the video is biased against Giorno.
I know this this is an old video but im curious, wich stands do you think COULD beat Goku?
When i say stand of course i mean with the user and everything of course, i can think of acouple but it really depends on the situation for some, and not so much for others.
I've seen this question alot and i would be happy to hear about an opinion who isn't either "Goku is unbeatable" or "Jojo stands are unbeatable!" without looking at any evidence
I checked the anime, when RTZ activated it was during the time erasure. In this video you say that it essentially erases peoples experience of the time that is being erased. So with that logic, when diavolo goes to strike gorino, he technically doesn't see the punch coming towards him. Therefore RTZ is automatic.
I mean it's almost as though GER IS SENTIENT
I think that’s because it only works against living things like humans,animals,plants etc
I think that Stands don’t count since they’re dependent on their users most of the time but since GER is independent it’s immune
One problem, GER needs to hit the opponent in order for it to work.
I like how every 4 comments someone writes a whole essay about g.e.r and I can highly respect that , personally in my opinion goated experience requiem is op and can solo goku.
@Sasha Necron 🧢 🧢 🧢🧢🧢
@Sasha Necron first of all did I ask you? And g.e.r will win as Giorno can prevent every one of Goku's attacks and slowly chip away Goku, and If you say that Goku is so durable that Giorno can die of old age think again cuz Giorno can also reverse his aging to zero , mainly cuz of his infinite hax he will eventually beat Goku and also g.e.r abilty is automatic meaning goku can't just instant transmission gironos ass as g.e.r worked in diavolos skipped/erased time where only diavolo can move so it is automatic , so Giorno beats Goku, now whos the Clown goofy ahh bozo 😂?
First of all you don't have any fax and if goku can be hurt from a bullet which was seen in dragon ball super in which he gets shot by a pistol , Goku can 100% be damaged by g.e.r s punches,clearly someone needs to watch jojo's bizarre adventure and did your goofy ahh brain say that Goku can solo the whole verse of jjba ,your clearly wrong as Dio over heaven can rewrite reality meaning he can turn himself into a god and he can turn Goku into anything which includes a ant, a donkey like you and many more Goku can't even beat g.e.r let alone the whole verse of jjba , please watch Jojo and see the power of Giorno and play the game "Jojo eyes over heaven in which Dio over heaven can rewrite reality and by the way Giorno can reset any action to zero, so Goku can't even power up and will remain in his base form , Goku may be very strong but Giorno can prevent any action that Goku does , so Giorno can beat Goku, Goku may have everything else but my guy Giorno has unlimited hax , so girono beats goku, so just accept the fax which I am spitting to your face little Timmy 💀💀💀
@Triple X haha looks like I shut your mouth
@@GiornoGiovanna69420 how does reverting every action to 0 mean he wins lol that's sad a stalemate is a win for Jojo 😂 no where did it show he can reverse his aging that's just wanking and hit claps Giorno
Wait, but I thought the ability activates automatically. was that explanation anime only or did I somehow misinterpret something?
Nah it’s something the fan base made up. It’s never stated to work automatically anywhere in the series or guidebooks, it’s a reactive stand that works in response to an action that takes place. However, GER has to be capable of registering an action has happened before returning it to zero. If that makes sense.
@@KosuSama ah, you right. I went back over the scene and it says it reacts automatically for Giorno, meaning it needs to react but Giorno doesn’t.
Where tf do people get “Reverses all actions” from???
GER only reverts physical willpower that has potential to harm giorno, if he can react to it.
I don't know where people get the all actions thing from. GER only reverts stuff that will physically harm the user
I believe that it would result in a draw Goku can't really kill GER cause of the uno reverse card and GER doesn't have enough firepower to kill goku
finally someone with a fucking brain
Exactly I don't understand why everyone is arguing over a fight that's a stalemate
Finally someome who says Goku beats giorno
goku beat giorno 🤓
Giorno slams Goku
@@shriderrad4123 stalemates*
Just cameback to this vid to ask for sum important, can you PLEASE debunk TA4, tbh just more jjba stands in general but him specifically, I hear mf's say he beats ppl like featherine, anos, gilgamesh, etc....
I do think it's automatic and even if it is it's just going to be a draw, what do you think was going to happen? he cant hurt the stand but the stand sure as hell aint touching Goku in base form.
Finally someone gets it I‘m done with these Jojo Fans overrating and wanking GER‘s Abilities. You‘re the powerscaling community‘s savior.
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Bruh I can rebunk this lmao. But I'm bad at making vids. ;-;
@@KosuSama Bro read Giorno's Stand Stat card. That's what people use for scaling GER(The stand stat card is made by Araki).
@@mostgoofiestyoutuber It doesn‘t mean anything those stand stats of GER easily get debunked.
@@vergil5749 Im talking about the will thing here. He said it doens't activate on ill will against Giorno. That's clearly wrong here.
In my opinion Giorno would have a stalemate with goku but he DEFINITELY does not beat everyone in the dragon ball verse. I mean multiverse
He has basically inf defens but not alot of offense
not really since in the manga goku scales to atleast low complex multiversal
The only way for giorno to win is to cover himself in frogs and hopes goku is stupid enough to not question it
Imma debunk this so get ready
bet im still waiting
Why would Goku defeat him? Your rebuttal makes sense but there were no points towards your claim of Goku or dragon ball characters beating GER. Since his ability is passive, let's assume Goku comes in at 1 million times faster than light, flicks girono's head and the building behind him into oblivion. GER acting indipendent of girono would just revert it back to 0 as if nothing happened. Point is why would speed and strength matter in passive abilities. It seems like a no limits fallacy , maybe it is but in the databook it literally says he has no limits so it should not be considered not argue able
@@rjsomething8368 he is shown to be smart enough to beat characters stronger than he is through golden wind. Creating poison and using even bullets to his advantage. None of the dragon ball characters are smart enough maybe except the androids and that cast. The point is they can't kill him ever, and he can figure out a way to kill them. It's simple as that
Here’s what I know about gold experience requiem and his abilities
Gold experience requiem is the ultimate stand as stated multiple times (the stand arrow is also fused with GER even Trish says this and it’s also seen to be embedded within his body so using the argument that he has to activate it again is dumb especially since it’s said he has full control over the arrow) first up for stats GER has immeasurable stats which is actually something that’s really really op here’s why star platinum is already faster then light yet his stats can be measured while GER also gets a speed and strength buff as you can see when he threw a piece of his shell at diavlo and he could barely react and it pierced through his hand So we can assume that GER is quite a bit stronger then star platinum especially since how the arrow works GER has all the powers of the arrow and is a completed requiem this would also support him being stronger and faster then all stands made by the arrow there’s multiple stands in jojo that also have infinite speed so you could also argue he has infinite speed on a higher level (explanation why giorno doesn’t use this is because GER is hiding the full extent of his abilities as shown with his ability to return to 0 and giorno would never have to use the full power of GER because he is already above every stand inherently this is also stated by GER he says any stand or ability he is up against he is inherently above it which can also act as further evidence to my claim of him being at infinite speed) so far GER can be calculated to be above infinite speed and mountain level considering star platinums strength as for abilities GER has full control over the arrow and it’s stated numerous times that with the arrow you can overpower souls and manipulate them and such if you look at silver chariot requiem he was an incomplete requiem yet he still had access to all those ability’s since GER has full control over the arrow and thus the souls of people as well (multiple people say this I’m not going to cite my sources because that’s too much work but they can be found quite easily so if you wanna fact check you can do that) GER can be argued to have the abilities of silver chariot requiem which just adds to his other abilities next up is his life giving ability the life he brings to the world have this ricochet affect where any damage inflicted on to them is reflected on to the attacker GER can also imbue life with even more life thus causing their mind to move faster then their body or just making them age to death as seen when he ages a tree to death during being attacked by popo’s stand this could act as a instant kill then there’s His return to 0 ability for this ability to kick in GER has to be aware of the action that’s causing the effect or else it won’t work take the infinite death loop diavlos in the reason he is in the death loop is because GER knows the cause is death but he is reverting the cause so diavlo never dies but just gets really close this ability seems to be able to activate by touch because he never dies by GER a crackhead kills him and he’s never seen again I really don’t want to continue this comment but GER is really op and could beat goku if you ask me though the evidence is there it’s not 100% true as GER only is seen for a little bit and we never truly see his power
@@rjsomething8368 Getting about his ability to create animals that redirect damage towards the opponent regardless of their durability all he would have to do is create one frog Throw it at the speed of light towards one of goku's projectiles or at him goku would hit that frog and then he die
@Akhere Jeremiah there isn't actually a way Goku could defeat him, except reality warping of a higher level. As far as i am aware he can't do that. So what will he figure out?
@@gulnoorbrar Goku transcends Giorno in dimensionality. GER itself is beyond Giornos understanding this is what people use as a feat to get him to 4D though Goku and Beerus almost destroyed a 5D Construct (Universe 7) and before you say Beerus was doing most of the damage, Goku had to cancel out most of the shockwaves with his own power and even hold back in the process. Goku has shown to also have inaccessible speed being able to move in a destroyed timeline with no time or space. But even so Vegeta stated that Saiyans also have no limits so Goku can just power up and boost his Physical ap and all that other shit to move faster than GER. GER also has no DC and Ap feats besides destroying a small pillar which ig could be used as building busting.
I have to say I disagree with a lot of the video but great job!
@Canada San ironic reply
I would like to know do you think joker from persona 5 beat Girono ?
Absolutely
@@KosuSama thx because I was seeing people say girono was multiversal+ with ger saying he outhaxes,when joker is outerversal with irrelevant speed
@@KosuSama I heard that you like stopped scaling and your server is dead? Hope it’s not true
No it's not based on reaction it negates actions,
How he was able to react in time erasure?
Also diavolo does erase time,
Whatever you see it actually happens and then skip to the effect.
You have a hard time understanding what they can do.
King crimson erases cause and creates an effect, whatever it happens in time erasure will happen in 10 seconds in reality instantaneously.
GER erases the effect and only cause occurs.
What ever it is suppose to happen will never happen.
It's easy enough.
Both you and him speaks nonsense.
Thank you for pointing that out
Many things the video you debunk is correct ( example G.E.R creating infinite universes ), but there are things that you also got wrong. G.E.R is stated to be above every stand in the books and there is MiH which is Immeasurable High ball ( was able to decrease time stop duration and resetted the universe ) and MiH scales above Star Platinum in terms of speed which can be scaled to MFTL high/mid ball ( should be above stone free in terms of speed where stone free was able to react to Pucci while time was accelerating ) and FTL low ball since its literally stated to be FTL so GER should be Immeasurable midball ( we dont know its full capabilities yet ) and incalculable lowball. Diavolo doesnt erase time entirely, no he instead has causality manipulation that not only erases the cause of the effect but in a sense you also erased the time someone did to get that effect, the same reason on how Narancia got bodied when Diavolo cannot interact with any objects directly while time is erased. He essentially deletes on how he bodied Narancia and went over to the effect of it and it IS universal in range ( proven by Araki that every ability that is related to time is universal ) and the fact on how Diavolo's Causality Manipulation is 4D due to the fact it not only defies time but essentially can delete time albeit only 10 seconds, proves G.E.R is High 4D ( aka Multiversal in hax with RTZ ). G.E.R has Mountain level AP High/Mid ball and city level+ lowball ( scales above SP which scales above SC which was able to deflect The Sun which is City Level. Go search up Star Platinum city level feats if you want to know how I got this ). He also scales above Tusk Act 4 and D4C:LT which are transdimensional stands ( D4C:LT has a multiversal barrier and Tusk Act 4 has infinite power that bypassed that same multiversal barrier ). Even then G.E.R has an ability that makes you age to death, its in the Black Sabbath fight where he ages a tree to death. How Infinite Death loop works is pretty simple, in the manga Diavolo doesn't actually die. He gets transported in a different time or universe which is where his death will take place so you could say G.E.R has some sort of limited causality manip or a BFR. There is also a statement of Requiems having complete dominance over life but its pretty vague.
Also G.E.R is semi-passive since Giorno doesnt know shit on what happened while time was erased. And I dont believe a single thing of G.E.R being stronger than Goku in terms of physical strength.
Fax this guy debunked terribly although the guy he was responding to didnt do an amazing job either. Dont forget part of the infinite death is that giorno reset diavolo’s deaths to zero in the return to zero. So that’s another way of backing up the infinite death
He debunked really good pay more attention to the video but basing GER off a statement is a bad argument. Didn‘t araki state that star platinum is the strongest stand? Does he have immeasurable speed as well? Why didn‘t he speedblitz diavolo instead of firing a laser beam? Why does he not destroy any universes? Why is time erase more like skipping time? And so on and so forth.
He was never stated to have immeasurable speed
@@seanbryant5230 That doesn't prove he's making different space times lol tf
The way GER has immeasurable speed is because his Stats Are Immeasurable and Outscale Every other stand in Stats Alone and The fact that even if you kill Giorno the action resets to zero meaning it basically rewinds time kinda Like how Whis does GER acts Separate from Giorno as Requiem stands are Sentient
For example Chariot Requiem still can function even after Polnareffs body Is killed by Diavolo and Diavolo actually Kills Giorno but then it resets.
the world has more destructive power then cream.
a litteral erasure from exsistance.
stats dont mean S H I T in jojos
This nigga 💀
@@Kloudzsky in Jojo a go go it states that he surpasses stand scaling which has inf on it so at the very least he above infinity
His status only says "none"
Which is explained in a later on data book
The reason for that is that stand status can not apply to stands that are FULLY transformed with the arrow because they're a different form of stand
Also ger only surpasses already existing stands
The fastest stand in jjba until part five is only ftl
And rstz isn't time rewind
Nowhere was that stated
And for the polnareff didn't actually die
He was just in a different body
And even if we assume that ger can still keep going even is giorno is dead goku can just use the mafuba and seal him
GGs
@@hacksawman2381 rtz Removes Effect from the cause so its basically like it never happened and Mafia wouldn't work literally any action A person makes GER can just say no basically it would be like Someone punches Giorno
But then it just didn't happen
both of you guys are wrong lol. ger's rtz doesn't happen when someone has bad thoughts and actions. and the erased time isn't actually "erasing time" i agree. But you said that "there's no evidence to suggest that" when he said it activates automatically. yes there is lol. giorno didn't even know when time erase was happening, yet, rtz still happened. this isn't a "reactionary ability", its a passive. there's no "time" between when rtz happens. no matter how fast you are, you aren't attacking giorno. no one can defeat giorno unless you have reality warping abilities. to put it in a conclusion, goku vs giorno is a tie, no one wins, no one loses.
Wheres your benimaru scale Video?
It's very clear cut by what Diavolo says about erasing time.
I think the fact you're trying to find a contradiction when there isn't none, says a lot. It's a simple ability when you put it in perspective.
Let's say Mista fires a bullet, that's a cause.
The effect would be the bullet hitting whatever is the target.
So between firing the bullet, and the bullet hitting it's target, Diavolo erases time, so that the bullet being mid-flight no longer exists.
But the cause and effect still exist, just not the action itself.
You're making it sound like since Diavolo erases time then the effect of whatever action also shouldn't exist...which isn't true because there's already been a cause for that effect.
then that's skipping time not erasing time. otherwise the bullets trajectory wouldnt exist. blood drops STILL drop. the action happens its just that the no one other than diavolo realizes it. if action is erased then there wouldn't be bullet trajectories from misas gun .
@@MoMo-vt2ij
It's not skipping time, because the time that's been *skipped* was erased.
Since it's erased, people don't know when it's happened.
Hence why blood droplets is a good tell against his ability.
@@oiphandy4321xx the time that has been skipped HASN'T been erased. for diavolo to erase time he would erase the action and only the results would remain. which isn't true. the bullet tractory still exist and blood droplets STILL drop. the action isn't erased if it was then we wouldn't see it when diavolo uses his stand.
cause and effect AND action still exist when diavolo "erases time". when in fact he is just skipping over it while he is the only one aware of whats happening.
@@MoMo-vt2ij
It's not erased in the sense it didn't happen, it's erased in the sense people don't know it happened.
@@oiphandy4321xx that makes no sense. then its not erased time the proccess of the action is skipped over erasing peoples memories of it😭🤦🏾♂️.
Big W
jojo fans dont know how to debate especially when they use dio oh they think his the strongest in fiction because he has reality warping abilities 💀
i mean im a jojo fan and i find the video that this one's responding to a bit dumb. also if you do encounter any people who do make that "point", just say that dio oh has to use his hands in order for his ability to activate. Also, for some reason he has to yell "ZA WARUDO" any time he tries to stop time, so anyone who can kill him in a second blitzes him lmao
Jojo fan=Giga Chads.
@@kast6296 he used time stop without doing any of the two requirements you said when he got stabbed in the head by chariot.
@@arent2295 what? we’re probably not talking about the same dio then lmao, im talking about dio over heaven from the video game
@@kast6296 oh I didn't see that "oh" which is probably the acronym lol. My bad
To anyone who can't warp reality he can't lose but also to anyone who is really powerful like goku he also probably can't beat so really he's just an anoying opponent.
You don't need to warp reality to beat him. He'd lose to multiple stands in the series that can't warp reality
"why do things still happen in this period"
because it just works
also GER Has Inf speed its said in the JOJO-GOGO info (also the It just works is a joke lol)
@@CoolOkay_ wdym
@@CoolOkay_ in the JOJO-GOGO info It is said that GER has Infinite Speed
@@CoolOkay_ Blame the Book not me
Ok, thank you for clearing things up. Honestly people need to stop over looking things and look at it closely.
A lot of jojo fans seething
You think you could debate Shinrabashoman or even base against Naruto and Sasuke cuz the things I heard are outrageous and there underestimating Shinra completely and what he's capable of
Yeah base Shinra alone should be enough to handle both Naruto and Sasuke.
@@KosuSama that's what I've been saying but they always refer to the databooks
@@jecheondaeseong18 Eh? I don't agree with alot of things people say about Naruto and think they are lowballed but no way in fuckin hell is they beating Shinra.
Nah man. Shinra god clapping Naruto and Sasuke. But dont think he beating a JoJo or DB character. He's reality warp is only High 3D at best but enough to solo Naruto and Boru-mid ( Yes, I fucking hate Boruto, the manga lit tho (
I think that even if ger can't solos goku, we can agree that there are still a lot of stands in jojo which make strenght not matter! There are characters that can remove iron from your body, age you to death, age you BACKWARDS to death, make grow a mold that as long as you are beneath the user eat you to death!!! And most of this without even touching you
I feel like The Guy In that Video didn't explain Giornos abilities properly like The Scaling because though he has Immeasurable stats it has nothing to do with Moving in erased Time it's in his stats .
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS GER HAS IMMEASURABLE STATS
@@jetstreamsam1226 ger doesn't have immeasurable stats. And before you use the fact that ger has non in every stat. Bro do you know who else has none in thier stats. Fucking sky high. So does sky high have immeasurable stats too
@@olp3850 bro if its not even calculated then how tf will they measure it
@@jetstreamsam1226 it's just a diffrent kind of stand lol. If you say ger has immeasurable stats then you must also agree that sky high has immeasurable stats. Which is stupid
@@olp3850 i do agree with that
"Giorno solos the entire dragon ball verse" -🤓
Super shenron🤓
"Goku is invincible" -🤓
😂😂😂
@@SigilOfBaphomet might be he is powerful than zamasu who is invinsiable because of zalama's dragon
@@breaden2712 ???
bro forgot that goku was moving in a timeless void after zeno erased a timeline
Yes
Everyone in the comments be debunking the debunk
And they’re dogshit at it lol
This is an explanation of why Giorno actually beats Goku
Fate manipulation: king crimson's epitaph is an ability that can see 10" into fate, fate in JoJo is a path that all things and people take no matter their decisions, it's all due to fate, everything that epitaph sees is absolute, nothing can bypass it, except GER who was able to completely ignore the fate that epitaph predicted and just beat him, making him transcend fate
Return to ∅
Return to zero is absolute and nothing that works under logic can bypass it, if something happens to Giorno, it simply never happened, it's as he says, "the ultimate defence"
Imesurable speed
Hirohiko Araki (the creator of JoJo's bizarre adventure) has said that GER transcend all stand stats, and can't be measured by them, this means that it one-ups every stand stat we've seen, the highest speed stat we've seen is infinite, knowing that GER's speed can't be measured by infinity we can say that he has at least imesurable speed
Infinite strength
Same argument
Infinite durability
Same argument
Extra one shot:
Life giver is the ability that both gold experience and gold experience requiem have, it is able to give life (obviously) to things, create body parts etc.
One of those abilities that life giver provides is "life exhaustion" an ability to make someone go through all their lifespan in seconds, meaning you die of old age in a very short amount of time (sadly Giorno uses it only once on a fucking tree)
Giorno doesn't have a time ability that you can speedblitz through, it's a reality bending ability (talking about return to ∅) Goku can't just beat it
+Goku can't see GER since only stand users can see other stands
Infinite strength GER
Infinite speed GER
Get help his doesn't beat deku
He can 10 second into the future NOT FATE wtf
I would like to know the book where it states that ger is the strongest stand
@@kwnl-gappy-4-balls I watched the whole show AND manga it doesn't say anywhere these Jojo fans jus be making up shit
@@Plutonian-t5f it's not made up it was in some type of novel I found out the name of it but the novel is like $800 and everything is in Japanese
Ok so I can see you didn't bother to do even the most basics of research here since literally in the stand stat panel of GER is stated that "Can turn the opponent's actions or will to zero" this is literally quoted in the stand description in the manga once GER appears. Secon point there is no time in erase time diavolo is stated to actually erase time both in manga and interviews the reason the droplets thing works is because fate is a force in jojo's that scales above space time and it dictates what is going to happen and nothing can change fate unless your ability is directly meant to do so any time or space ability cannot change fate in space time diavolo can see the fate of stings around him. GER can use RTZ to prevent fated actions to happen hence why the entire time diavolo was fighting GER he could see his fate of wining but it never happened. Second, power doesn't really matter cuz again in the same panel it is stated that "Whoever is hit by this ability will have even his death turned to zero, which means he'll repeatedly experience death over and over again" so as soon as RTZ is uses on goku if GER wanted he could sent goku in a death loop infinitely.
Rtz only work if the character is under 4D
@@thezapher First I don't think that is even relevant in this argument since goku can be affected by time abilities so he is 3D not a 4D but even then RTZ was able to stop an ability that literally erases time so RTZ has to be 4D if not arguably stronger but that is just debates and head canon cuz there literally isn't any evidence for or against it. Either way this is literally irrelevant when it comes to GER vs Goku because of the nature of RTZ it isn't a time ability it is more of a cause and effect thing.
@@ghitaianis9022 causality manipulation which goku have encounter many time and like I said goku can be affect by time ability but also can't because goku have escape a void that time doesn't exist via sheer power level
So it will be a tie? Cause girono can't damage Goku and neither can Goku, cause any thing Goku do will return to 0, he can't even touch him
I did that “research” and the results i got are he erases “time” not actions. If he actually skips then how come everything except living things are not there? Exactly. So i think you should do the research the fact giorno stats is unknown so don’t assume it’s weak or strong. In the end it’s a non ending fight meaning it’s a stalemate since giorno didn’t showed too much feats since he only has rtz inf death loop he needs to kill first the “rtz is not a passive” is a cap because giorno didn’t even knew what was gonna happen but when diavolo tried to kill him rtz worked do some research first pls
the guy in the video said giorno moves in that erasure thing so he has immeasurable speed but goku did that in base when zeno erased trunks timeling sooooooo
Well, since you wanna get all technical about it, then we should apply the same logic to Goku. There have been COUNTLESS times Goku showed some god level feats and defense, but the very next day he could easily be felled by a laser, or be slower than another being. Dragon Ball has way more inconsistencies to even be compared to any other anime
The problem with the inconsistency in Dragon Ball thing is that it's been shown multiple times in Dragon Ball if you keep your guard down and lower your power down you're at a weaker disadvantage it's not being inconsistent it's just how the power system works in Dragon Ball and I don't think fighting someone who's faster than you is being inconsistent
Jojos vs dbz in power inconsistencies would be a fun watch 😂 SC alone is so ridiculously inconsistent inconsistencies
bro what are you debunking exactly, yes i agree that giorno is not even close to goku power levels but GER would allow him to not get hit. Even if goku had ultra-instinct (which he doesn't have in his base form), the momment he attacks giorno his actions would be reset along with his willpower dropping to zero, meaning he goes back to base form. With that being said giorno wouldn't be able to kill goku that easy because of his emmense durability, but again you can't just say goku beats him without even explaining how and why, let alone saying that most of the DB characters do the same. At least support your claim instead of ending the video.
Lemme try explaining this ger loses to goku because first of all rtz isn't automatic it NEVER states that Ger just activates the ability manually by itself when giorno is attacked and it was able to react to diavolo's punch because of how slow it was but against any character that is faster like goku it wouldn't be able to react then giorno dies even if ger was able to react it cant do anything to goku the null stats thing doesn't matter because there are other stands like cmoon and sky high that have a null stat and they aren't as strong as Ger so ger wouldn't be able to damage goku and goku would just be able to attack again and that time kill giorno
I’m actually all for this
But how does goku bypass the causality manip
Dimensional transcendencr
BTW Goku isn't a stand user so he theoretically can see or predict where GER will be. "Oh but he has UI" well if goku attacks Giorno, the ability of GER activates when it can register. For example, when diavolo punches the chest of Golden Experience after Giorno stabs GE with the arrow, the ability of return to zero activates. So you are right, it must register an attack before return to zero happens, but if goku successfully lands a punch on GER or Giorno the ability will activate after a few secs or so. This either ends in a stalemate because GER has to win the battle in fate to beat goku and we dont know that.
doesn't matter goku is outerversal via destroying otherworld which has no concept of time and space, is metaphysical, and transcendental to dimensionality ger is 4d fodder.
@@ElectronX386 shut up u goku fans are just so delusional lmao
U forget that goku has hakai. If goku hakais giorno he’s erased from existence. Even if revert time he’s still erased and not brought back. (This is shown in dbs when beerus hakais zamasu) Ger will likely be erased as well because attacks to stand users effects the stands. Even if he doesn’t destroy ger and reverts time back to zero he’s still erased.
Better call erase time skip time
All the jojo fans mad ion feel like reading all those paragraphs 💀💀
I think he’s saying like the stand is automatic
I mean GER states any action would cause his ability to work, so it can just act against gokus thoughts (is thinking not an action? Why else would he include will power?) Wonder of U can work from thoughts so it doesn’t make sense for it not to. Also Giorno can just age goku to death.
how can he age goku to death
@@maqical. he aged a tree to death in seconds, he can imbue enough life into things to make them age to death. he did this in the first fight against Polpo with Koichi
@@GhettoPeach he can only imbue life from things that he created, but when the life fist hits directly a person their instincts will go extremely fast to the point that he will be unconcious (that happened when Bruno fought Giorno)
@@gabrielsousalopes769 you are straight up wrong, he didn’t create the tree. There’s nothing suggesting he couldn’t do the same thing to a person, he just never does.
The power of life is so conceptually cracked that araki had to cut back a lot of giornos abilities so the part was even fair…
Bro this is WoU
But it s still unclear for me if goku can't hit GER and giorno can punch goku than how does goku beat him ?
I mean even if goku is stronger he can t do anything because he's action will be reseted to 0 no?
Kono re quiemo da ? Or no
Also why the hell are you even bringing in the whole “KC doesn’t actually erase time 🤓” thing? If you want to make every single thing in the anime as “realistic” as can be and prefer NOT to interpret things, do the same exact thing for Goku then.
I mean to be honest he is right
@@kwnl-gappy-4-balls He isn’t. If the Author Araki says KC erases time, then KC will erase time. What this guy is trying to do is bring in logic from the real world into an anime. If he tries to do that with jojo, then he needs to give the same handicap to Goku. That means he should also say crap like “Goku can’t fly, Ki isn’t real, realistically Kamehama waves don’t exist, Instant transmission is impossible, etc.”
@@Karmanara he is not really bringing in real logic from The Real World at least in this part with the erase time he's just simply explaining that it actually jumps in time and erases everyone's perception of the five seconds in that time
@@kwnl-gappy-4-balls ok not necessarily real logic, but what I meant to say is that if the author says something about his own character, the character himself says the same also, then the character does the said thing. Both Diavolo and Araki already explain how the power works, but Kosu is trying to bring in his own interpretation and plant it as a fact, which is something you DON’T do in someone else’s work. KC erases time. He doesn’t erase the “perception or memory”, he erases time, and thats that.
@@Karmanaraexecpt that both diavlo and Araki explanation of diavlos ability contradicts how the abilty is acutally shown to us.
Pretty much king Crimson abilities should be called time-skip
Also you make debate goku vs gojo I would love to see you debate
In fact, no, he is moving in a time where everything is happening, but he does not exist in it.
It's like disappearing and then appearing somewhere else.
In the anime and manga, the characters always say that he jumps into the future Because everything was already happening that he appear again.
So no Time skip is to go to another moment when the TIME is stop everywhere.
@@kiado.4 I'm still confused about what you said if you. Another note if is isn't time-skip than what is it?
@@blackslayer-1946 he jumped to another moment in the future.
Because everything is still moving during the period in which he uses his ability, which as long as I remember is 9 seconds.
A time skip is when you go to another time period while all the time is stopped except for you.
MFs who actually read the stats and compare it to other stands instead of looking at feats 🗿
wait goku has a zeno button can't zeno just erase him and if girono reacts to 0 zeno has grand presit that just is way more powerful than giorno because he got a wand. LOL XD just my opion on this topic
why does sveryone watch anime to scale who is stronger and not enjoy it ):
Tbh, like 90% of the anime I actually watch I don’t scale. I really only cover like 4 shows lol
@@KosuSama aight
FR u need to understand dimensions goku trancsends the macrosom and proof he coulda destoryed it therefore making him 5D girino is 3D he is still bounded by fate and death goku is not he has escaped heavean just like every other character in jojo dio is bounded by fate and death jonnhy joestar soft and wet all people in the jojo universe
Bro all of this isnt necessary RTZ DOESNT AFFECT GOKU BECAUSE HE IS HIGHER DIMENSION. DEBATE OVER
Unfortunately Goku doesn’t exist on a higher dimension lol he might have like 4D capabilities but that doesn’t make his existence 4D. He’s still a 3D mortal. Either way though, at least you agree he wins lol.
People don't seems to remember that Jojo is character are setted closer as an normal human, Star Platinum's speed is close to hyper sonic and not some near light speed dogshit, cause once again, anime and manga doesn't have normal flow of time, only stated time can be counted, and don't go out and count how many puches Jotaro throughs in his time stop, CAUSE ANIME IS AN ADAPTION, IT'S NOT CANNON.
Also Dragonball characters are insane, the only characters in Jojo that have a chance to stat check them are "Made in Heaven" speed, and "Infinite Rotation" power, any other way to beat Dragonball characters are space stands and soul stands.
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In the manga it says that star platinum is faster than light
@@andrew7722 it says at the speed of light not faster
@@seanbryant5230 I checked the panel again and it says that it's faster than light
I'd like to think it'd be a stalemate tbh
it is goku cant hit ger because of rtz and giorno cant dmg goku. Its just these giorno fanboys scaling giorno above goku when both of these characters cant dmg eachother
@@ARRIGERGOKUFUSEDJIREN Literally what im saying but they deny it
@@ARRIGERGOKUFUSEDJIREN can’t goku hakai him? Even if it’s reverted to zero he’s still erased
@@ladyrugz6301 yh if he does it first then goku by default wins
If g.e.r can revert anything to zero then he can revert gokus attacks and revert his age to zero and easily kill Goku? Correct me if I am wrong
Nope thats impossible
Just kill giorno before he activates rtz
@@olp3850 with an ability to cancel all magic including requiems where you can't revert at all
Or have a godsona
Thats not how ger works. Get your facts correct
Cool argument but GER can use revert to zero even if giorno is dead because its a requiem stand this means that its a tie
Also it can comprehend King Crimson's time erasing which is not just "skipping time" but taking a 10 second piece of time putting it on repeat and giving the user to move however they want (but they can't affect anything not while ability is active) and after all that it erases this small time loop
King Crimson's time erasing is like eating the middle of a gummy worm then placing the two other parts together while the middle is in your mouth only your to eat
Goku negs giorino + verse
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@@NavagioGiorno debate me bud
@@FexrBestYTberEver i’m french.
Its impossible to goku to win this
@@NavagioGiorno he can lmao I’ve watched all of jojo and dragon ball and goku wins
You take scans to literally buddy when scaling a character you use commen sense a d knowledge you have about the characters plus there are a lot of dumb claims people make about gpku like he's moltyversel the gun one thing i badly want to get out there is that goku cant even solo his own verse and when scaling goku you completely get the rules of dragon ball out of the way just so that you can scale goku i know you guys say the rules dont work in other verses but thats simply untrue if you wanna scale goku correctly then follow the rules set by the universe he is from and dont over wank him to moltyversel and if we go by your logic it never implied that zeno could erase multiple universe's at once and nowhere in dragon ball do they show a higher plain of existence accept for thr realm of the gods whitch has little to no information about it we only know that its infinite and goku can shake it but this easily be debunked with the fact that characters in dragon ball who are stronger than goku have not been shown to do the stiff you day goku can do making the scaling in dragon ball inconsistent and lazy because you don't know where to put the characters in terms of scaling we only know that zeno can erase a universe and people from existence but never really build upon that statement and all of gokus counts of infinite speed or immeasurable speed can be debunked with your own statement that time is non existent meaning that if you can move it just means there is no time there to effect your movements plus hits time stop is very inconsistent real immeasurable speed is when your so fast you are un effected by time or the tampering of it meaning any type of time manipulation whould be un effective Jiren is shown to be struggling and only walking and is very visible to the people watching the turniment of power but if hit was stoping time then no one in the ring showld have seen jiren moving as time would have been stopped for them and even all the people who were weaker than jiren shouldn't have seen him break it meaning hits yime stop has a very small range or hw is just stoping Jiren from moving. Just like in the diavolo case they say he is stoping time but that simply isn't true because the world of void shouldn't have any time to stop making this feat completely wrong and shouldn't be used plus goku is stated to only have the energy of a galaxy within him amd shaking infinite nothingness is not really a feat all goku is doing is showing his power offf that energy can be felt by people around him.
I can even prove this with the fact that the clash between goku and buris should have destroyed earth when it happened because it clearly shows the shock waves destroying other planets farther from earth meaning the shock waves is not that strong only having molti planetary ap implying that the shock waves get weaker as they progress throughout the universe plus the fact that goku is nowhere near zenos power implies that goku isn't even universal.
If i were to scale goku i would put him at low soler system tir just to balance out the dragon ball world and sll feats seen and outlandish claims like Frieza saga goku could beat Saitama are all debunked by me a person who has truly awakend along with my mind and intelligence all i can say is that goku is heavily overrated plus if we use commen sense and accurate scaling that fact that Giorno is 5d means that he is outer verse level because 4d is moltyversel complex moltyversel doesn't exist and if i am wrong here's my correction of this
3D. Universal
4D. moltyversel
5D. Complex moltyversel
6D. High complex moltyversel
7D. outerversal
8D. High outer
9D. Hyperversal
10D. High hyper
And 11D. Tir 0 boundless
Zeno scales the lowest on this list meaning goku is even weaker and doesn't even make it to moltyversel. Also im spreading this to show that goku truly is over wanked
Yea I agree Db fans need to stop with this high dimensional shit bro shits annoying af literally Giorno ability is to stop time and he will freeze Goku and one taps him stop overcomplicating things bro
Goku is definitely overwanked af there is no denying that it's just annoying man I've seen mfs scale him to Outerversal doesn't even make sense it's like they don't know what logic means you know what I mean? Speaking to these guys are just no brainer
@@licansen3331 Db fans love to overwank Goku but you got Giorno's ability wrong he doesn't stop time to manipulates souls to a complex moltiverseal scale making him 5d.
Stalemate probably
The Casual W from Kosu and the beni scale u said it in one of ur videos 4 months ago :((((
Yea it’s not automatic but ger does have a mind of its own it still ain’t automatic