Everything Drummers Hate About Metronomes | The Drum Department 🥁 (Ep.25)
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- Опубліковано 28 бер 2023
- Metronomes are a crucial piece of gear for a drummer. They help us keep good time, and align us with other musicians and musical elements, but they are often very uninspiring to play to. Piercing sounds that have no feel or flow that can become a distraction instead of an aid. Today on the Drum Department we’ll get into what we hate about metronomes, but we’ll also share our favorites, and help you find the best metronome for you!
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I'm not a drummer but I love what metronomes can do. I am learning piano. The metronome really isn't there to make you an unfeeling robot; it's there to help you control your rhythm.
Well said 👍🏻👍🏻
Yes but it’s only used for practice. No classical pianist uses one for recording because it hinders expression. Same is true for drums but we just accept it for some silly reason.
Metronome is something like a soap that makes everything You play cleaner and smoother.
@@bbdeffect it’s not used only for practice… drummers need it all the time, pianists maybe less but if you are playing with other people in a band to record songs it must be used
@@bbdeffect it doesn’t hinder any expression, other people don’t hear it…
What is going on with this "we" hate metronomes comment? Don't lump me in with that comment. I like them and use them a lot. Not during songs but during practice it is on most of the time. Maybe after 30 years of drumming the internal clock might be good enough to play without it but for now it is not so i have to use one.
For a Christmas worship team, we were playing with a click track and doing a version of Little Drummer Boy. There was a 4 beat intro for the drums to do a thing. Even with the click track, somehow, I got done with my 4 beat in just over 3 beats on the click. There was a awkward silence and then everyone came in. I knew what I had done right away and had to laugh.
I’m totally going to try those last 2 ideas. Not a drummer but I do track drums in my studio and the “sissy” and the percussion loop ideas seem like they’d be way better than the standard blip of a metronome when recording to enhance feel. Thanks!
Thanks for the video. Really love the format of this video with all of you guys 🤠
Very nice and inviting video indeed.!!!! All my instructors at Drumeo are talking so friendly and relaxed about Metronome. I use Metronome most of the times, whether i'm practicing Rudiments or Grooves.!!!! But in my opinion, to be able to play a perfect groove, Metronome has to be there.!!!!!
This is how to view the click and track. They're not things to keep up with, but they are two elements of the band, doing their thing, and we are all playing together.
Holy Cow Jack! Not only did you smoke that song, it looks like you did it using your less dominant hand! I'm a 63 year old drummer playing since age 5. Oh yeah... I was also born with Cerebral Palsy with limited use of my legs. I've recently lost all use of my legs and am trying to come up with a working kit utilizing my hands for both the kick and hats. I wanted to stop by and give you the insane props that you deserve!
I love metronomes, as long as I can set a sound that isn't grating to my ears. Usually, I look for either a woodblock, or a cowbell sound. I often use one sound for beat 1 & another sound for all other beats, depending on the music I'm working on. Generally, I view the metronome as another musician with whom I'm grooving. I can play ahead, together, or behind the metronome, just as I would another musician. The Pro Metronome app is what I've been using for the last several years. It has a gap-click rhythm trainer, a practice mode to gradually increase the tempo, & the ability to save playlists. I only like one out of the thirteen sound settings, but that's enough for me.
When I fist started taking drum lessons I bought a Roland RMP-5 Rhythm Coach. It has 16 metronome sounds, the only one I really like is the stick click sound. It has a very fast attack and very fast decay. I still think that is about the best metronome sound with a muted cow bell being 2nd.
The cool part about the stick click is if you click your sticks in time with it, the sound just disappears.
You guys have a great chemistry, really fun to watch, the added fantastic advice ect is just a bonus haha
I love this conversation.
I didn't play to a click for a very long time and the only thing I believe I suffered from is coming out of my fills that fast throwing the beat off by at least a sixteenth depending on how fast I was playing. I love playing to a click now it keeps my grooves steady and my fills clean but my band wants to do songs that drag in parts especially at the end (think of Black Sabbath) so much I have to abandon the click and play by feel.
Also it doesn't help to be the only one to hear the click when the guitar player doesn't know how to follow the drummer. I have heard that I'm playing the song too slow and I'm playing to the bpm that was given to me. Oh the life of a drummer.
Love the drum department and love you all guys! Greetings from Istanbul, Turkey. 🥁🥁🥁
for me a cowbell sound with the one accented works the best
I enjoy using my metronome app. Though I've never taken lessons so I was never forced to do so. There are so many beats you can make with a newer digital metronome itself, and even then you can use the tempo, subdivision, or accents to create some something unique to play to like a vamp
I grew to love metronomes. I use them in practice and live settings. They are my warm fuzzy blanket. I have yet to play in a band where everyone is willing to at least try to usr one. 😂
I don't like them live, but in the studio, absolutely. I use a cowbell for my metronome sound. I don't have an accented 1 just a straight cowbell. The feel is better to me. I have had situations where someone has sent me tracks where I'm replacing drums and the track wasn't originally recorded to a click. In that situation I'll record a track of me playing cowbell so I have that one sound that is above the rest.
Good idea. Never thought about that. I just play over the original drum track.
@@joetroutt7425 it helps a me a lot. I used to try and match the song to the grid but if you're off a millisecond at the beginning by the end of the song it can be a quarter beat off. Banging out a cowbell is easier.
@@davidcenteau-depina6192 no what I mean is I use the original drum track as my metronome. Even if it's bad I'll adjust.
I’ve done drum corps/marching band my whole life. I have much difficulty w bass drum/snare coordination. Hopefully’, the metronome/clicks will help me w that.
I love metronomes, wouldn’t play without one if my choice.
Drummers who struggle with time naturally wouldn’t enjoy a metronome, but with good time it’s like playing with a great percussionist.
HEY "Brutha drummers"...got an old analogue Honner metronome.... a N d new Tama rhythm clock...totally relate to having done my first recording with a not cheap sounding digit ...there must be an art to customisi g our inner clocks....great show...lotza goodstuff .... Cheers Kiwidave I Oz
I absolutely love that cap. I’m going to get one myself
I've been a drummer for 40 years. I love the metronome. But.... I hate when the whole band has the metronome in their ears. They tend to focus on the metronome and miss when the drums transition. Give the metronome to the drummer and everyone else follow them.
29:47 oh dude... This... And when you go off the metronome to get the band back together they will get angry... But if you just stick to the metronome they'll get angry as well 😂 😭 no winning with bands...
If you play in a cruise ship gig with singers, shows,CLICK is a life saver + play the music
You should make a saddle style seat cushion as well
Loved this episode. In my case, even though I have hearing problems, if the metronome gets buried with all the other instruments is the worse scenario possible. I need to have the Metronome with a peach that can be over the sequence/track/music instruments.
I'm there with you. I have hearing problems and then need the click to be loud in my ears. Unfortunately I have had the sound guy or the guitar player turn up so loud that my click gets buried. Unless you're playing with backing tracks I wouldn't sweat it too much. Play by feel and enjoy the show.
I have that Korg one. I hook it up to a mixer and use the EQ to make it sound a bit better. Usually that just means turning the highs down to 0 lol.
I love the metronome, possibly too much to the point of over reliance on it lol. It makes me feel safe because I always know if I'm landing.
Métronome can be very cool using the cliks on the "&"
Try it you´ll feel more inspiration 😊
I need that for my thrash beats when the back beat is stronger than the downbeat.
Luv my metronome. Click bait 🤣 I play along with tracks and the click. Great for practising and performing. The sound of the click is essential. Agree you only hear a good click when you're out ✌️🤘🇦🇺
I’m biased coming from drumline, but I don’t understand how a drummer could not use a metronome. It doesn’t need to sound great or inspiring. It’s there to aid you in one of the hardest skills to master in drumming: playing in time.
Personally, I love the dr beat metronome. You can make that thing subdivide into nearly any kind of note and even counts vocally (even in Spanish)
Playing in time is overrated. Listen to Hendrix stuff. Playing in sync with the band is what really matters.
Our band just added a new guitarist who brought in backing tracks with a click. Challenging and brought the bad habits I have developed playing without a click to the surface. I don’t know about playing live with the click but I believe it will make me better and more in the pocket.
I have never played to backing tracks but I do play to a click live. Do you hear the click during the backing track and if so does the audience also hear the click through the house mains? I've always wondered that.
@@joetroutt7425 Speaking for most people here: Backing tracks (if done correctly) have an isolated track/ channel for just click, or sometimes will have voice prompts/ cues for each section "Verse", "Chorus", etc. We run simple stereo mp3s with Click L channel and Mono tracks in R only. If you're using multitrack DAW, then you can have stereo music, or separated tracks for monitor/FOH mixes in addition to the iso Click
I love the metronome cause it overrides the singer’s complaint of too fast, too slow. So then we can focus on dynamics and stuff.
Been playing for nearly thirty years and never been able to play to a metronome but can play to live loops no problem.
Maybe it’s because I taught myself by ear or whatever but I cannot keep time using a metronome.
That's odd. You can play to live loops which is basically a click but in a musical context. It's a steady groove.
The metronome in general gets hard to hear once I get in tempo and it throws me off completely. Am I doing something wrong?
Note* I use a digital metronome app on my phone.
I play in my church with singers who don’t track tempo 😅 so when I play the drums it’s my job to follow whatever speed the singer does and end up keeping tempo for everyone else in the band to follow… smh. we all just play by ear mostly and the only time I’ve used a metronome is for practice rudiments and such at home
I played in church and the pastor sang and he could keep time but whenever we would have this particularly guest singer come in and sing he would just sing how he felt it and it was no where in time. I would just stop and let him sing a capella. Yes we had no band bc nobody knew how to play piano. Then one time we had a husband and wife come in and both played piano. The husband played with a real loose feel and his wife was classically trained. I couldn't follow him to save my life but his wife was like playing to a metronome. Unfortunately he played most of the time so it was excruciatingly difficult to lock in with him.
Ooh, I have some thoughts on this, if anybody is interested! Also if nobody is interested...😂First of all: "Yes", to practice, and "no" to playing music. And does anybody try to "blindcount"/tap the meter at the gasstation, and see if you can get a round number?😆 And also: The "click on the "and"-exercise" is awesome and fun! I feel like it changes how I play. And: "bury the click" is fun aswell! And can be done on the pad, or drums or whatever. A proper mind-F. 😵💫 And last: Love this new format! Greetz from Norway.
I'm a drummer from Denmark and I've never played to Clicktrack. I have played drums for 14 years in one of Denmark's best town marching bands, Roskilde Graden. which is a brass band. we have a conductor for concerts who is our metronome. when we play on the street and do our show / Tattoo, the percussion group that is the metronome. Today I also play in a brass band in the Danish Home Guard's orchestra Roskilde, in Army home guard district Midt og Vestsjælland. there I play drum sets for concerts, where there is a conductor and mrach snare drum in the street and we don't use click there either. 🥁🎺 I use Clicktrack to practice when I learn something new, but I've never used it to play live, It is me there are the metronome 😊👍
Excellent
I've been playing for over 30 years. I only ever used a metronome in the home or professional studio. Live gigs are done old school for my band. We listen to each other, follow the drummer, and (gasp) use floor wedges. It's very fun to play music in this fashion. I couldn't imagine hearing a metronome or click track the whole through a song live. I view it like this, we all learn how to count and keep time so do it! Don't get lazy and assign that task to a machine.
As far as I'm concerned the click has no definite starting or stopping point. It's just the steady constant beep with no accented notes. Still leaves it up to me as the drummer to make sure the count is right.
I like my metronome to sound like something, anything, other than a drum or cymbal on my kit. I use a paid app called modern metronome. My favorite at the moment is the wood block sound. I can bury it and it sounds like theres a guy standing behind me keeping perfect time on a block. Can be weird in a metal song, imagining a guy behind me hammering out quarter notes at 180 bpm on a wood block but it works.😂😂😂
Considering a title with metronomes "click"bait is just hilarious!
As a guitarist who makes their own solo albums at home, I prefer to play to a quantized beat than a metronome or click track. I dont Keep time purely on 8th or 16th notes like a metronome gives you, especially considering I play strange time sigs, and some times poly rhythmic stuff, Metronome is just a distraction then. But it has to have the "Feel" in what I am playing too as I accent that feel. The "ghost" notes on a ride Cymbal or Snare are more important to me
I can drum too, although I hate drumming to a click/met it just feels nasty, but that is because I am not a great drummer. I can play poly rhythms on guitar and my timing is very good, and my right hand and muting is very good, but I am a bit sloppy with my drum technique and it gets in the way and makes the whole feel looser.
I know enough drums to show a good drummer what I had in mind for a basic feel and accent vibe, but not well enough to do it myself really when it comes to recording.
Your "HAT" should actually say "CAP". Headware that fits the head shape (with very little added) is a cap. Other headware rests on the head and has much width and decoration added to it. Just thought you should know.
Is 4/4 better to
Practice using metronome on drums or 1/4?? For beginners? 60bpm speed to start ?
"Better" depends on what you're practicing. 1/4 (or, more accurately, a single click sound) is fine if you're just working on staying in time (practicing rudiments, for example). A specific time signature (using 2 or 3 different click sounds) is great if you need to know where 1 is (practicing music). Uptempo Jazz can be practiced to a metronome clicking on 2 and 4. For linear funk, I'll have the metronome click on every 16th note.
Starting tempo also depends on what you're practicing. I generally try to find a tempo where whatever I'm practicing is not quite clean enough, but not so fast that I can't get through it. Once I have that down, I'll speed it up 4 or 5 clicks, and also slow it down 4 or 5 clicks, if I feel I need to. The goal is to make sure you can play it in a wide range of tempi with no gaps in that range. For example, if I start at 80 bpm, I'll go 80, 85, 75, 90, 70, 95, 65, etc. This is especially important when working on foot technique.
My first metronome was a Franz LM-4. Still have it.
every instruments players should practicing using metronome or a drum machine that work like a metronome, it's a guide track to improve regularity on playing, should always be use as a practicing tool or as a recording tool in DAW, but in live if you are the drummer you are the metronome of your mates and some oldschool music are not so regular on the tempo, especialy for old jazz and rock band that recording on tape machine in the 50 's 60's or 70's, but they probably work there rythmic patern with it...
The blue one would set my my tinnitus off😀!
GrooveClix is badass if you need a metronome or some grooves to play with
90% of the time i use metronome love it
Anyone know the name for that table they place the computer in the video?
When you are dead on with the click and therefore refuse to speed up watch your band to guess who will say “it’s draggin “
How do you go about winning the cool stuff
I dont know what y'all are talking about😂
I love metronome and click tracks.....They make rhythms have a sort of perfect feel
Some click track annoyances: the downbeat being softer/quieter than the rest of the beats; too many subdivisions-I don't need a ⅛ subdivision above 65-75 bpm; stacking sounds that clash harmonically. These are not the click track's fault-just the music director's.
Agree 100%
If a drummer, like any other musician hates metronome they should do fishing instead, for example
And yet, none of the great records were recorded to a click track.
@@bbdeffect michael jackson? Prince?
@@bbdeffect on 99,9 percent cases i hear that from either classical musicians or the ones who never mastered that skill
"I like that we are having a healthy debate. A couple of you are wrong though" 😂😂😂
I run the metronome at the fastest tempo possible. 1/8 or 1/16 based on how fast that sounds. If i miss a hit im back on the next hit.
Also i love the tama
I think you should do a drumeo "roast" or "bloopers" show.
I've used metronomes to help me practice at improving my feel at the lower bpms. We, humans, tend to speed up when a piece builds throughout the song. I don't know, maybe our blood pressure, heart rate and just general excitement builds as well. I know mine does and as such, i will tend to speed up with the physical changes that are going on in my mind and body. The metronome seems to "train" me to stay in the pocket hold back at the correct bpm. I also use it sometimes to play behind the click and ahead of the click. It's just a way to feel behind the beat or ahead.
When I player drummer about metronome is timing times how long you can't played about 25 minute's or 35 minute's .
I sometimes put the metronome on visible click then the drummer can guide but also can move with the bands tempo
I hate visible flashes. I can't keep time with it for nothing. I need that audible cue.
Love a click , it's like having another drummer keeping time..Frees me.
If you don’t like Metrodome‘s, it’s because you don’t practice with one, lol your drum technique and fluidity will skyrocket when you use a Metrodome it is simply a must, especially in today’s music
I think it is important to play with a metronome, but also to play with music.
Music speeds up and slows down.
It will also have different time signatures. So it is important to learn how to follow them.
A click track gives you the basic on how to follow time.
i took my advice about metronomes from alex van halen from the song big fat money on van halen balance album. best advice ever.
I use metronomes all the time when I practise. In bands, at gigs, only 1 in 4 uses a metronome, the rest pick tempos based on the night.
excellent let the music breathe i recorded over 50 songs many at A&R studios in NYC with Billy Joels engineer no click no problem
Change it all up, like
-clavé for Latin Ect
12:45 tennis ball is The best
Played to a click track for the first time in an audition for the worship team at church…. Thought I didn’t get the job lol
Nowadays I can play to a click pretty well I think. Mostly play to drumless tracks and have the click on sometimes. They’re helpful but sometimes I like to jam with people and just leave the click at home and see what happens.
Best metronome is the Boss-770. My biggest pet pet is having a mono click that in just one ear. It has to be in both ears and the Boss-770 is always played back in stereo. I can’t stand peeps or pops sound clicks. With the Boss-770 I will always program a cowbell for click and if I must learn the pattern before recording it I will program the pattern in first to practice too first. Than go back to using a cowbell metronome click to record the drum pattern. I could play to a voice click but that is just annoying as a peep or pop sound in you’re ear. The Boss -770 is the best out there to use. Most unexperienced drummers will have problems flushing in and out of fills. Playing with a metronome will be big game changer in helping flowing in and out of fills.
Yeah it helped me from rushing my fills. Since then I can play triplets over a 4/4 bar alot tighter now.
The dog one makes me wish I could hack some buddies' click tracks and insert the barking instead lol
It’s not that I don’t like metronomes it’s just that when playing with others I loose the click as I’m listening to the music and thinking about whatever change is coming up and what kind of fill I may do as Im prone to change them at random . I played for years in punk and metal bands on my youth and developed a good sense of timing . I check the practice tapes and very slight variances , but pretty dead on most times . In the band I play in currently we have three songs with tempo changes , bridges with nuanced timing ( holdouts slowdowns , rampups ) and they all have at least one odd time sig usually the problematic ones like 5 , 7 or , 9 so it’d be hard to use a metronome for that . I have no hate for metronomes though they can be annoying and limit certain things . In the other project I’m in however there are only two of us I play to a pre recorded guitar track played to s click so that’s kinda the same thing and I had to learn how to do that after years of setting the pace . So I’ll definitely say that playing to a click is definitely a skill in it’s own right .
Yeah splitting our brain to play with the band and also with a click is a very thin line. It's like walking a tight rope.
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Okay, metronomes might be useful if you play in a band, I prefer to play free so I never use a metronome, I'm not a robot and the fluctuation of the rhythm gives me more sensitivity in what I play on the drum.
Just started to learn the drums, enjoying the metronome so far. Would love to check out your student of the week's UA-cam channel if possible? Very inspiring! ❤
Better to start off with it and not develop any bad habits.
Back in 2011 I joined a metalcore band on a whim. I show up to rehearsal and they hand me an iPod and ask, "Can you play to these?"....
I had learned the material WITHOUT the click and then unexpectedly having to play to the backing tracks 🤣🤣🤣 But man I honestly don't like playing shows without them these days!! Eveyone would compliment how "tight" the playing was, but here I am with a click in my ears.....like it's not even me!!! 🤣🤣🤣
My nephew played in a metal core band and they played with backing tracks. I went to see them and they were extremely tight. I was impressed. The drummer played with triggers so he could be heard better and it covered up his sloppy doublebass work. They're not together anymore but they played some big shows in my local town.
@@joetroutt7425 I would argue that triggers don’t “cover anything up” but they actually require you to play more accurate because it cuts through the overall mix 😂
@@Pericles777 that's what he told me. I have never played with them so idk.
The only music that you can play to with the Iona voice metronome is 3 dog night!
Charlie Watts, Matt Cameron, Jimmy Chamberlin, Dale Crover, all of Motown. No click on those classic records. When you use a click it takes away life. Doesn’t matter that session drummers need to use one now because of midi and are masters of playing to a click. It just sounds worse. Orchestras don’t play to a click either, only for film scoring.
A tempo map built around drums is better anyway.
A few things to say
As a drum teacher
I feel like the title should be
How to not fear the.metronome
Also I feel sequencers .......that play grooves would be a better tool to use as opposed to a metronome with a constant click
I hate metronomes! But it is necessary what I do is I take a sample of an untuned snare and make it as my metronome 😂
I hate when some metronome sounds not clear or really low volume. I like to hear obvious, nice beeps, no emotion, nothing in it, just a robot beeping. I can play to that
Where’s Jeff Berlin when you don’t need him? 😅
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I don’t like metronomes and I’m a drummer
I love the human voice metronome as it's good to remain a human. I dislike the one with that beep on the 1...
I practiced with a metronome while watching this video
I hate metronomes cause I can't hear them under the sound of the drums. When I fuck it up, I get lost.
Love metronome it is correct. People are not.
I've been drumming for 12 years, for the past 6 years or so I've really tried to reconstruct my playing and work on my weaknesses. I really love playing to a metronome, is that odd/bad? If I don't play to a metronome I start/stop too much and tend to start noodling in unproductive ways. I have way too many ideas going on in my head, and a metronome helps steer me back on track. I come from a family of musicians and we all play by feel, they discouraged the use of a metronome but imo it's helped my understanding of time a lot.
As a new drummer, they are my mortal ENEMY. I can't play with them or a click. I'm always off beat grrr🤬🥵😡
Well my advice would be drumming (drilling) in microtime. Put on a click on 160 bpm. Don't be intimidated by the "high" number, but they are infact only 40 bpm. You can either practice this on the pad (Snare) or on the kit. However in the beginning I'd advise you to do this on the pad with hand to hand. If it get's to easy to nail each note then move the speed up a bit. However should you notice that it's still to difficult to nail them consistently with the same sound (dynamics) over a longer period of time (not just 16 bars) you should decrease the speed again. Furthermore there is another advantage to this method. It doesn't matter if you're gonna practice the super dreadful Rosana (Toto), Californication (Red Hot Chili Peppers) or Highway to Hell (AC/DC). After you've done this you can either focus on applying different accents, moving around the kit or making your kick drum nice and even if you get my drift. If not I mean you play 4 on the flour (Kick), then you move all notes by 1/16th till you reach the end. (4/4 k--- k--- k--- k---; (to speed things up a bit I only write one bar from now on) -k-- --k- ---k kk-- -kk-- --kk k-k- -k-k kkk- -kkk k-kk kk-k kkk- kkkk ----)
I love a metronome (for many reasons)
One example is……
It’s the ultimate 🖕🏽to the rest of the dumb ass band who one day thinks a song is faster and one day slower and then complain at the drummer for it not being one way or the other.
It’s the ultimate stfu 🤙🏽
Musicians who are listening to each other closely and playing together hate metronomes. Musicians who are 'playing the song correctly" like the metronome.
There sure is a lot of excusing not playing in time going on here. The guy was right.
Sure, there are tons of songs that are out of time that give it a wonderfully organic feel, but no matter how you look at it, unless it is done 100% intentionally, it's a pro playing like a novice, and if that novice was playing it, everyone would absolutely shred them for it. A lot of first and second albums are literally played by a novice or intermediate drummer, and they totally admit they were, yet people love it anyway.
In other words, there are albums too numerous to count from distant past to present that are littered with bad/off timing, and mistakes, (Not so much now because they correct every single note now) and that's ok as long as you get paid for it, which is ridiculous. A lot of top musicians are overrated simply because feelings, and others underrated that can play at the same level, but not in a band, or not in the "right" band. Perhaps we should be using the same scoring parameters, and not giving one guy a soccer goal for a golf ball and the other guy has to put a basketball in a golf cup.
*_Back in the day (1970's to be exact) I had a friend build me an infinitely variable LED timer array._* 😎 *_Yes! that's right folks! VISUAL not audio... The band loved it because it was not distracting in any way, and it could be suspended and made not visible to the audience... BRILLIANT. we toured for years with this amassing metronome, but sadly it was eventually stolen_*
Dan Carey doesnt record to a click
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I never learnt with metronome but I am so much like a metronome myself when I play drum I never go wrong may a little otherwise I am on time guys will you believe me .
I don't believe anybody is perfectly in time without a click. As humans we play with feel and have a tendency to speed up and slow down. Only the most discipline do it without being too dramatic.