Finalmouse just owned everyone. - UltralightX Review
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There was a point in time where a gaming mouse had weights 😂
There was a point in time where people would smoke before athletic events. Our knowledge grows!
@@poppinlochnesshopster3249 trust me in a few years people will go back to slightly heavier mice again. like at least 60-70g. 30-40g or even lower is just not it
@@poppinlochnesshopster3249 We knew exactly that weights are utter bullshit tho. I mean, at least some of us.
I still have one of those 😂
Loved my g9x and maxing out the weights. But at the same time I played on 3200dpi with a 3.4in/360, so the weights were mandatory
I used to work for a local retailer that stocked Finalmouse.
Eventually we had to drop them completely, as they would outright ignore our warranty claims from them and we eventually had to compensate customers out of pocket.
Microcenter?
@@HumongousFish Microcenter! my favourite local, small, startup, tech retailer!
@@itsPoliswirl same bro it's amazing
You know what they say, if it's micro its small and if it's a center thats bound for some plenters
They only did Amazon for old drops and then Maxgaming for the Starlight 12 Tenz so wut?
Man all your videos lately have been incredible.
Love this content!
Time to add another mouse to my collection
Man, i really love this videos, without a doubt my favorite Content Creator in the entire spectrum, bought my ultralight and can’t wait to be receive it in November, have never been this excited before
Love how you are never satisfied and looking for better testing techniques. Keep up the amazing work.
the production quality and amount of raw testing is absolutely incredible
Can it handle coke cola?
@@snugsel5412 not if you submerge it, but if you spill your glass and dry the mouse before using it, yes.
I like cooked testing
they delayed this shit for so long its been 3 months since everyone ordered😭
just tested it and you can use the mouse submerged in coca-cola.@@asr1el942
This man needs supply of every brand to do reviews of new products. Always good information in such a short time and high quality production and interesting content.
I’ve never considered Finalmouse as an option as it’s pretty much impossible to get my hands on them. Hopefully they add some transparency on when the next batch will be available if it’s truly continuous production.
Ha, sure
The first batch it didnt sell out for 3 hours. Since people are no longer scalping them lol.
If you’re in the discord they usually update it there
They're doing drops while the demand is higher than what they can output. Eventually when people have them, they'll be in stock.
@@KeenScout. People are mainly waiting on the large variant and small one. Medium took ages to sell out. Tbf, you have to be there on the day of the drop to get it but, unlike the original starlights this is much easier to get.
By "continually available," you mean exactly the same as we had before, but the [Buy] button stays lit with a constant sold out. Got it. Yeah that's totally different. 😂
yep exactly lol
LOL
they totally paid him for this review lol
@@vanesoko no they didn't
why don't they sell on Amazon ? Other smaller brands do
Wow this quality of work is awesome Ali keep it up !
I’ll acknowledge these products exist when FinalMouse stops using scarcity as a selling point. The company has said before that they’re “stepping up production” just for products to continue to be extremely limited, so I have no reason to think of them as an actual brand worth considering.
Bro did u hear what he said literally 10 seconds into the video? ??? He said this will be the first mouse that will stay in a consistent production
@@asnd..8349it’s literally sold out lol and been sold out.
@@asnd..8349 And that's literally what every marketing team says when they realize that "customers are getting sick of their lies". Wait for proof or just don't cry when you get fleeced because they somehow "fail to live up to their words due to blah blah blah".
@@asnd..8349 Has it happened yet? op literally wrote they'll be "stepping up production" and look where they are...
@@asnd..8349 Actions speak louder than words. Until I see them actually prove that they'll do it, you can't trust them. Also, even then their products are consistently overpriced shit
Your videos look like legit movies, that's how good the editing and production quality is. Marvellous work.
you got my sub for having the new finalmouse before i did. been wondering where that order is. good vids man. keep it up
Awesome vid. The Ultralight X is way out of my price range but that xlat graph showing the latencys was incredible. I was planning on picking up a G-Wolves HSK pro but seeing the HSK + at the bottom of that list is making me reconsider. Especially at the price point...
awesome video man! your testing is getting so much better with every video
I’ve been watching you since when you first started talking about the ncase m1. You have gotten better and better. quality, information, testing methods, you always go above and beyond for each video. You’ve opened my eyes to many different niches of the pc world and I can’t wait to see what you post next.
Thank you for the continuous quality of the videos! You deserve waaaaay more subscribers than you currently have. This mouse looks like the one I might buy if your mouse doesn't come out in 2024 :D once again, thank you and keep these videos coming! Best wishes from Lithuania
Get this man to a million! Great video, quality and attention to detail is great
It would be really cool to see a deep dive test in regards to how much mouse weight actually matters and how big of a difference it makes past the initial adjustment phase.
I feel that most mice are already so light, that the small decreases in weight we now see likely make no big difference in performance, outside of placebo.
Again, would love to see the actual benifits of a lighter mouse that you won't get with a slightly heavier mouse, once you've adjusted your plaustyle to the heavier/lighter weight.
honestly, at this low of a weight, youre better off getting faster mouse skates and mousepads than you are trying to decrease the weight
your commitment to continousley improving your testing is insane. can't wait to get my hands on the ULX when it finally ships
Your test of two "identical" mice being different makes sense and it would actually be pretty awesome if you provided data on variance between mice that are supposed to be the same. Hardware works within tolerances, and it would be nice to know which companies are responsible about consistency.
I think this also might be a case of interference. Not in terms of malfunction or even a significant influence but when you put two transmitting devices right next to each other, especially when they're the same brand, you can't rule out any interference quirks.
@@UnimatrixUA-cam Not even interference, most likely just USB input polling differences. Switch the mice's USB ports and you'll probably see that tiny difference flip. This is why the dedicated testing box makes more sense than comparing multiple connected devices at the same time
You are asking a UA-camr for manufacturer retailer-grade sample size...
You do realize that 2, 3, 5, even 10 mice of the same type wouldn't be enough to get the kind of information you want, correct?
@@fuibancontafake3057 Sounds like you are just trying to flaunt that youv've taken a college course in statistics but I'll respond anyway. Evidence from this video shows that just comparing two showed variations (maybe due to manufacturing tolerances). There are many things that can vary more with timing, sourcing blah blah blah. Comparing two even from the same run still has value just to flag if they are different. It's the sort of test I'm suggesting to do when the opportunity is there. I'm not suggesting to go buy 3 more of every mouse he has ever tested, especially considering 90% of people are using about 3 different options at the top of the line.
they should be selling these for $149 not $180
found your channel yesterday, now my favorite content creator!👍
you should build your mod kit for the ULX
not for production or a drop but just for yourself personally and make a vid on it !
Awesome video as usual!
you’re the best out there right now!
Definitely nice that we can see accurate mouse comparisons in terms of click latency. Although I don't think that the click delay is that important (as long as it is consistent and not constantly changing), I am looking forward to the sensor testing the most. Polling stability/wireless stability and sensor delay are the most important things to be able to test IMO. It's the main thing you "feel" when playing in-game.
Also not sure how the XLAT would be able to record sensor latency without a reference of what the sensor is trying to record.
Sensor latency > Click latency
i swear how do you improve every single video so much
easily the best reviewing channel on youtube
Agreed
would love to see Pulsar's latest mice using the XLAT to see how they stack up against the best. I currently main a Pulsar X2H Mini with the 4k dongle (running at 2k).
was waiting for this video for a long time and now im giga hyped for the mouse. thank you for the video.
Cannot get enough of your reviews and content
Finally a continous production Finalmouse product
Been waiting forever
How the fuck have I never heard of you before? You’re by far the best mouse review channel I’ve ever seen. You’ve taken this so far that you ended up creating your own mouse.. just wow man, keep doing you.
Optimum really loves doing youtube and it shows. Thank you for doing so much work to entertain and inform us, Ali.
The amount of work put into those videos is absolutely insane
Happy to see you got your copy and thanks for sharing! I'm still waiting for the Tiger (large) to be released. From the outline that I've seen, it's nearly identical in size and shape of my copies of the GPX Superlight! 👍😎
For my hands, the medium Finalmouse is a little too small for a proper grip and putting grip tape all over it to make it bigger is a little crazy.
Your attention to detail with testing is insane. Not to discount LTT but when you’re comparing budgets you are doing far more with far less in terms of resources. Thank you for doing this for the community.
Ya, seriously. Ltt is more of a content farm house. Given what this dude does solo, they could do a lot more, but focus on goofy content. Linus is a sales man first and it shows.
Yea I agree with you but LTT seems to be targeting a much more casual audience where testing like this might seem boring or go over their heads. At least in their recent mouse reviews such as the pulsar x2 randomfrankp edition they ran some latency testing which was good, but I think they are more entertainment focused compared to people like optimum.
@@Peenmasta I think with LTT labs they are focusing more on the enthusiast crowd who actually care about things like frame timing and latency. The lab is great and they’ve addressed the issues that people raised but for a one man team Ali is just killing it. One of the most reputable reviewers and testers for gaming hardware.
I mean you’re free to discount LTT and their lack of ethics.
@@__vhadid you conveniently forget about how inaccurate ltt's testing is?
I've been watching his videos since years ago, I'm so sad that it somehow unsubscribed me there's no way i did that while noticing. Absolutely my favourite out of everyone - extremely professional; filming, colour grading, data and analytics, sumary and breakdown etc. Can't wait for you to hit 1m and beyond!
i think you still need to include gpx superlight gen1/v1 in chart, due to still many gamers outhere using it.
gpx1 would be on place 2 that is why he missed it.
hm? @@cOoLm0Dz
Not having a software running in the background is a nice thing. But the web configurator has 2 issues: if they release a new version you are forced to use it no matter what and if they shut down service you cannot configure your mouse anymore.
there's probably more than a few 3395/2khz+ configurable mice out there that don't require software to be running at all times. in fact, i don't even think logitech actually require you to have the hub software running once you have everything configured, though it's been a while since i've used one so can't confirm that.
most mid to high end mice had onboard memory. you only need to run the software once to configure it, save it, and then you can just uninstall it
theres probably also a software version but u dont have to use it
Which is no problem since this is an enthusiast product where few will lag behind when it comes to versions and new products.
@@neofaktionawful take
Good luck getting one. First drop was August 1st, and we are still waiting for them to ship out...
You were the inspiration for me to buy the Wooting 60HE, the keyboard I'm using to type this message. Your work is peak levels of professionalism and accuracy.
Great video as always! If you are going to be constant soldering I recommend you the Pinecil, it's a Risc V powered open source soldering iron, it costs like 30 bucks, and it's a beast for it's size! You can also power it with a powerbank! Hope it works for you!
never skipping optimums videos. congrats on becoming t500
This is why you are the best, go above and beyond in testing and I love it!
Great review as usual!
Excellent review as always! I was so busy watching you slay the entire enemy team at 8:30 I had to restart that section 🤣
A full sized gaming mouse that weighs less than 40 grams is insane, the crazy weight savings.
Thank you for the video. It's good information. Also, can you tell me which gaming sleeves you are using? Thanks in advance.
Gosh your videos are always so amazing.
Thanks for another quality review, you are my go-to tech guy on youtube by now, and that by a large margin :)
Did you ever think about setting up a website, condensing the information regarding recommendations you made for a quick access? So far, basically independent of product class, your reviews have been so relatable and in-depth that I would love being able to just have a quick look on a list based on your conclusions and just buy a whole setup on that basis lol
Edit: Just thought about it and kinda came to the conclusion, that it might be unrewarding not even being able to reap the youtube monetization, regarding the time, effort and money you put in your reviews. Sorry if that might've been a selfish request, did not really think that through :p
This new mouse looks excellent, but honestly I'm more excited for reviewers having more objective tools to test mice across the full price range. Given Finalmouse's click tensioning claims, I'd also like to see click force/distance plotting for different mice with the average actuation points displayed alongside.
This would also objectively show pre/post travel, which is honestly really useful
they dont include any razer 4k or 8k mouse for click latency, bummer
Extraordinarily informative! Thank you for your diligence, skepticism, and attention to detail!
Regarding movement latency, I have a concern with starting the motion from standstill. It could have different results depending on the software implementation, the latency could be different in motion. The difference with static friction and dynamic friction of the mouse skates and mouse pad together with tolerances could affect the result too.
So I what I would recommend instead is something like moving the mouse on one axis and then adding motion on another axis and measuring the latency of when the motion changes. Or sudden (de)acceleration on the same direction. This is more realistic for a situation of continuously tracking a target.
Finally might end up getting a finalmouse :) Always hated the limited drop BS.
What click latency should I expect from the DAV3, around the same as the Vipers?
Its funny that back in the days mice had extra storage with small weights you could put in to tune the mouse to your liking. And today they honeycomb the outer shell as much as possible to get the weight as low as possible.
That's because there is a lot of sweaty competitive games now.
@@BMDubsE93 sweaty competitive games always existed, people just got more educated and take "pro gaming" more serious than they did before, resulting in scientific advancement within the games and equipment.
i wonder how the QC is. i've had 3 finalmice and every single one had some kind of issue.
Love the content man, as always and the browser software based software is brilliant but let's be real here... You don't need to run synapse of g hub at all once you've set up your mouse and save settings on board.
Awesome review! I would like to know wich size is your sample? S, M or L? There are differences in wheight?
This is the video I wanted. I recently got G-Wolves HSK Pro 4K, and I had my eyes on the UX since I'm currently switching to fingertip. I really like the HSK and I wanted a feedback on the UX before committing to getting a small variant. Good to see you are really positive about it.
29gram small is gonna turn out to be 34 lmao
hsk is better for pure FT and lighter.
@@riba2233 hsk pro supremacy
this is the kind of testing I was expecting from the LTT lab but ya all know what we got. This is the quality I'm looking for in reviews.
Keep up the good work
honestly man LTT labs are too normie. The data would be nice but id much rather have someone who actually plays games at a high level test everything.
@@JagsP95 gold in OW not that high level lol
@@Jacob_Overby Who's gold?
That is because they still somehow believe that David knows anything about mice...
@@Jacob_Overby I'm GM. tf are you cooking
viper mini signature edition or WHATEVER THAT THING IS. Nice, Optimum!
The effort you put into variable isolation alone makes your testing some of the best on this site
he didnt set debounce for a few of the mice, rip
This guy is an actual gaming tech giga chad. Love your work!
The web browser based software is awesome, but does it work offline or with a saved version of the webpage?
it's good that you mentioned that the software is done through a website. this honestly should be the new standard when it comes to peripheral settings just like how you can customize the wooting keyboard with their website. obviously im not saying to completely get rid of downloadable software but its so nice to have a plug n play type of peripheral and be able to easily change the settings through a website. makes things so much easier and convenient
Problem is, it relies on WebUSB which Firefox does not support (for somewhat decent reasons), so it can’t be the only option IMO. Awesome as a secondary option though
One issue I see with this is profile switching.. If you want different settings for different games etc. If I want to play with 4k/8k but use 1k in Windows (to save battery), this would be hard with only a webapp. :/
Or be like glorious and you have to download the software once and it saves the data inside the mouse or keyboard
That click latency data (4:55 and onwards) is really interesting! Sounds like somethings that should matter a little bit. More of that please - curious how the Pulsar and Ninjutso Sora mice would fare on that. Too bad I don't like the design of the Finalmouse very much - it seems really awesome otherwise.
Excelelnt video but as some constructive criticism in future I think it would be better to perform tests using the lowest debounce settings for all mice. This would give a more accurage display of click latency as I think most people are adjusting their settings on their mice if they are buying from brands like Pulsar, G-Wolves and Lamzu. These are quite niche brands which are bought primarily by enthusiasts who are more likely to understand mice settings.
you'd be surprised by the amount of people who just buy those without knowing a thing about mice...
@@7immy the issue was that he did in fact changed the settings for 5 of the mice despite keeping it all stock.
I wish he would talk about why the Zaunkoenig M2K has, by far, the lowest click latency, which would be because their switches are using latch debouncing, something I wish more reviewers would talk about.
Also, Finalmouse was not the first to implement a web interface for their mouse management software. Atompalm was.
Holy... the production value of these videos is insane!
Great vid! Can you re-visit the Xtrfy MZ1 Wireless anytime? After many year and many mice I have now found that there is no question it gives me better aim consistently. It does take some time to get used to the shape at first but I really feel the shape is superior and gives better precision than these "normal" shapes.
My main criticism of this video is how you lowballed both G-Wolves, Lamzu, and Glorious(shocker one too) whether it was unintentional or not. Most people who buy these mice set their debounce a lot lower, so testing it at 0-2 ms debounce makes sense. I have never heard of someone using a Lamzu Atlantis at the default debounce at 12 ms. Also, I’m 100% sure those Chinese mice you tested are not their latest/pro version. The Lamzu Atlantis you tested was the compx mcu and not the pro version using the Nordic one. Also, the 4k version of the G-Wolves mice at 4k should be on par with Razer and Logitech.
We definitely need more thorough testing. This is bothering me too.
@@MrKapusij It would be ok if he did stock versions only, but changing polling rates and setting the GPX 2 to optical mode requires software. Just like how debounce settings also require software.
He said those were the mice comparable with xlat. It doesn't work with all mice off the bat
@@cmo8627 I never said stock only. I said that those options might not exist for small mice brands because the code isn't there to receive it yet.
@@Evan-xs8ts It’s more so because he doesn’t have the pro versions of these mice.
I switched to a Pulsar Xlight V2 mouse (55gram, 20000 DPI sensor) about a year and a half ago and for the price I think they are hard to beat. I like the shape, the buttons and scroll wheel last and battery life is good when off the cord.
Their buttons are known NOT to last. That's part of what they fixed with the X2V2 lol
I play competitive games daily for hours and have not had a failure yet, I have worn mouses out in 6 months or less. This one has lasted, I just bought a second one.
xlitev2mini here well. after 1 year normal use, the coating has gone shit.
I have dry hand and i still have to clean it since the coating is completely smooth, it feels like those ABS plastic keycaps. really wish the mouse plastic is more durable....i guess grip tape then, but white grip tape is just horrible.....
why did you even mention the max DPI value................
The first pulsar I bought was black and it has held up well, the second one is white. I have only had it a few months so not sure about coating on this one. I mentioned max dpi because this pulsar v2 mouse has a great sensor in it. The best mouse I had was a G903 lightspeed. I had bought a G703 and the scroll wheel failed after a year, Logitech sent me the G903 for free under warranty but my dog chewed it up. I tried a Razer Deathadder V2 X Hyperspeed and didn't like it at all. @@EnnTomi1
Great video. I just got the G-Wolves HSK Pro 4k and am worried about the latency seeing the other G-Wolves measurements
Could you test the click latency of the HSK Pro?
Love the vid! Any reason you didn't test the original GPX?
How is the battery? With my superlight i can charge in 1-2h and not bother for 5-7 days.
finally, the mouse i've been waiting for
thank you femboyenjoyer2309, very cool
The final mouse
Been waiting for mine since it dropped, can’t wait
The end of it will be a shell that you just click on it which is ultra light and a receiver that gather your hand movement to output it to the pc, I assume some tiny sensors on the shell or just laser movement reading perhaps to make it more light so you wont need sensor in the shell.
For once, a Finalmouse seems worth the premium cost
Nope
Yeah....sure....
@@user-gh7uw9vn4o in comparison to the Viper Mini Scam Edition, absolutely
My Starlight was worth every penny
Not that much more than super light 2
I had the finalmouse air58, i loved it but it wore in somewhat reasonable time.
Ever since then I've had a GPX. It's a great mouse but lately with mice becoming lighter and battery life becoming longer, polling rates getting higher I've been thinking about upgrading.
I think in a bit I'll look further into the ULX. Especially if they can get their stock and shipping business sorted. (Finalmouse shipping is the worst thing to happen to mankind)
People are just now starting today getting their ULX LOL.
I also had an AIR58 gave to my buddy making a new PC, those were so nice, currently on the Starlight Phantom and it's been pretty great so far.
You could do some weight reduction to the gpx if you really wanted it to last longer or feel better, just watch some beardedbob videos and see how much you can do to it.
Also still on the gpx, have been using it for about three years now and it still works really well but I really wanna try something lighter which holds up just as good
Great testing, although IMO you should test stock settings and optimized settings for all
Hi @optimum, do you notice a difference with wireless dongles being plugged in directly into the computer vs being extended with a cable to be closer at the mousepad?
I've seen some discussion about this since the signal might be travelling faster through air than through the cable.
Hopefully they can keep up with demand, I detest the whole drops and scarcity business model, I get that it generates maximum hype but its so annoying constantly seeing a "sold out, come back soon" page every time you try to get one.
They can't
@@NotAGovernmentAgent lol shocker
My favorite software was Pulsar's.
You open it really fast, you click what you need and you close it. End of story. Web browser is cool, but they need to make it really safe.
The way they pushed limits, really nice, but for me 38g is to light. 60-65 is my sweet spot.
I got my order in for that first batch, can’t wait to try it out and compare it to my current mouse the Logitech super light 1.
Logi doesn't run in the background. You can save all the settings directly to the mouse. Downside is its a program not a browser. So you have to install it anytime you want to make changes.
this guy has to be by far the best gaming tech youtuber at the moment, not only good reviews, but also high level gameplay to go along with it
Off the top of my head, this is the only Yt channel I immediately settle down to watch every time a new video is released
yep, watched it in WC with a massive grin on my face
sub ms click latency might be useful when we move to 1000hz monitors, i guess. also the difference between the two "identical" mouse might just be a case of unit to unit variance, or signal interference, or both. also if you want be more precise for the heck of it, look into compliant mechanisms to remove backlash.
Fantastic video, thanks. Mind giving advice on which size od the UltralightX (s/m/l) is close to the Razer Viper V2 Pro? Seems to be either M or L, but Im not sure how much they differ from each other by looking just at the spec sheet
"rock solid" lmao
I'm glad they are finally stepping up production. They've been making industry leading mice for awhile now, just no one could buy them
(and if they could also knock off the twitter cringe posting that'd be cool too)
only months late to sending them out, and underweighing them by 6 grams
They are supporting the hamas
You still can hardly buy them
@@yeti4269the first drop was up for 30 minutes without being sold out, this is just straight up wrong.
The only "industry leading" thing before the ULX was the weight of their mice. Everything else wasn't in any way industry leading
I've had the TenZ starlight mouse since it released, and I'm excited they are bringing back the large size that my original sunset had.
you should do a tour, im oddly interested on your seating positions while gaming- you know the lenght of the table, the placement of the monitor and how it affect performance
Finalmouse fails where it counts. Can't actually buy the thing.
3 minutes in I still don't know the size of the unit he received
It's medium, there is no large or small finished yet
According to the weight 38g should be large not medium
The first batches only had the medium variant. The first batch to have all the 3 sizes available will be in December, if I'm not mistaken.
@@Hope-gd6rm since when has final mouse ever been actuate with the weight of there mice
Two questions, one of you go forward with building a full custom mouse would you have any plans to find/design hall effect switches for that mouse, two is there a discord server for your channel?
Have you ever considered testing high end crt's for gaming? Ive always heard people talk about the imput lag and clarity on them compared to modern dispoays, but how do they stack up with new top of the line gaming displays?
A mouse with this many cutouts will never be on my radar as the cleaning seems nightmareish, but that browser based software seems like a game changer, I'd hope more app devs go this route as having 5 different apps running in the background and hogging close to a gig of ram just so I could change RGB or a macro is just straight up vile.
The small size(Superlight X Cheetah) has claimed 29g weight, compared to 37g claimed on large(superlight X Tiger). i would love to see your take on it.
Great testing Ali
Great vid very informative hey Glorious dropped the model d2 pro it has optical switches are you going to test it?