Atheist Asks TOUGH Questions: EPIC Response! (DEBATE)
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2023
- This video features a portion of the debate that Christopher Hitchens and John Lennox had several years ago around the question, "Is God Great?". I honestly think this was one of the all-time great debates about God in recorded history. Both gentlemen are highly intelligent and studied in their position... The truth will out!
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I love how these two respected the other's time at the podium. So rare in discussions today.
Unfortunately these civil discussions are not being had today. This was over a decade ago, Christopher passed in 2011
"Atheism is a disease of the soul, before it becomes an error of the understanding." Plato
It the US maybe
@@trollemctrollersen The romans called Paul and the other christians "atheists". Atheism was defined as non-belief in the Greek pantheon and atheism was a capital crime.
Don't forget for every person professing to be christian that has not behaved in the way we'd like, there are more that have been kind,generous, loving, life changing. We forget about that because we highlight the negative of the Christian faith.
The mistake is looking at Christians to find flaws instead of looking at Christ.
Don’t judge God by people
I would add that your actions are the only proof you can offer another person.
Most of us Christians behave in hypocritical mannerisms. I do it too, I fall short all the time. I try to catch myself and repent. My flesh deceives me a lot.
Your believe (religion or cult) will be tested when kni** in your head....
The first argument usually falls on deaf ears because a large number of American Christians have a strange side belief that the world isn’t old.
I used to think it was strange too until I looked at the evidence
@@TheChadPad The evidence you are looking at is in fact not evidence for anything. In fact it may even be propaganda these days, but aside from that your worldview must make sense in your head, so any article about a rock will make you do that easily. Especially on the internet. This includes me sounding like a blind brainwashed idiot to you when I am not. Much love my friend.
@@josh__mclendon well I promise, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda among the evidence proposed for this question, in both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless
@@josh__mclendon well I promise, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda among the evidence proposed for this question, in both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless
@@josh__mclendon well, I don’t look at you as a blind brainwashed idiot any more than any of us have been brain washed and are idiots. There is certainly propaganda on both sides. The evidence that I’ve looked at raises huge questions about an old earth, and indeed an old universe, that represents gaping holes in its explanatory power and contradictions that simply cannot be so. For instance, the presence of soft tissues found in every level of the fossil record. Soft tissue cannot survive millions of years even under ideal conditions. There is a lot of food for thought, and this hardly scratches the surface. God bless
The fact that Some parts of Hitchens is skipped is too sad.
*Manipulated to fit the agenda. Fixed it for you.
Of course it is. This channel purposely did that to make their side look better instead of Hitchens destroying this doughy faced dumbass like he did in the debate.
Dont worry, you're not skipping anything worth hearing
I came to Christianity after years of despising Christians. I grew up as a mostly secular Jew and went through a Bar Mitzvah. But, in response to Freudian psychology, I became an atheist. But the supernatural seemed undeniable, and I then entered the New Age. But then, I became a lay Buddhist for several years. I also entered into Hindu practices later on. I studied Islam but never felt the desire to believe in Allah. Finally, I went to college and received a BA and then an MA in Comparative Religion as I saw over my life the value of religion compared to materialism.
The summation of my search led me to Jesus via Christian apologetics. I studied and practiced each religion and worldview in good faith and did so again with Christ and Christianity. After getting many of my long list of questions sufficiently answered, I became a Christian aka baptism. I had to focus on Christ Himself, vs looking at Christianity. And it became clear: no vision or story or reality in this world comes close to the drama and majesty and power of Christ's death on the Cross for the sins of humanity (and they are so many) and His Resurrection that obviously occurred via the witness of his apostles and the transformation of them that took place afterward.
Wow! Thanks for sharing.
Can you elaborate more on what types of questions were on your long list that Christianity sufficiently answered but other religions did not? Did these answers come from what was said by other Christians or from what was written in the bible?
Other Christians ruined my view of Christ unfortunately.
Saying you can’t be Christian unless you go to church. Then they judge the fuck out of everyone. It’s tiring. If I follow Jesus I don’t want the label Christian. Ffs. Specifically my ex ruined this for me saying I wasn’t Christian enough 😩. How rude to say to someone who believed in the same God as u. They were a hypocrite & acted passive in everything. I think that says more about them than Christ so I can hopefully get back on track.
@@Calbizzle Oh wow! This is fairly common, though. Your view of Christ should not change based on someone else's actions. He didn't do that to you. I call this situation, "The Great Excuse," standing by ourselves on judgement day, looking for some christian to point to and say, "But, she..." Nope. Your relationship with Christ is 100 percent between you and Him. We could discuss the other points but get this one right and the rest will settle correctly. Respectfully,
@@Calbizzle Given all the different Christian churches and interpretations of the bible, how do you know if the God you understand and believe in really is the same as the God your ex understands and believes in? How do you know what is enough of a Christian?
I love your style of commentary. You allow the video to play without too much or any interruption to give us viewers time to grasp the context and then you provide final comments afterwards to wrap it up cohesively. Thanks for your sharing and putting the time and effort to put these videos together. God bless brother!
I agree.... I love that we get to see most of each person's view.
Just would've like to have seen a more even display. Chris's speech maybe 5 mins John's over 10 .
Thank you for the video.
Nah fr
Seems lazy
"...without too much interruption."
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@@shaunparker2929 re >Chris's speech maybe 5 mins John's over 10 <
This disproportion indicates that Hitchens were able to express his thoughts efficiently while prof. Lennox had to cover his shortcomings with the prolonged waffle.
If a creator's creation came without free will and it was just the creators will, there would be no need for this conversation, and we'd be living in a perfect world.
Yeah why didnt God just create us like super computers and we do everything perfectly with no errors?
God is pretty shitty at his job if he gave us free will knowing it would fuck everything up.🤣
@Siimonseez It's not up to you or anyone to determine what is perfect and what is not. That's up to God.
@Insane3OB God's gift of free will allows us to choose to love or deny Him by our own accord. He loves you so much that He respects your choice to be so ignorant and disrespectful towards Him. It's all part of His perfect design, not an oversight. You should thank him for that, considering that WE are the ones who F everything up.
@dsreview129 then our capacity to love wouldn't be geniune and pure. Choosing to love Him freely is so much more beautiful and significant than just being designed to "love" and only "love" like brainless zombies or perfect robots like you said.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 📜 *Setting the Stage for Debate*
- Christopher Hitchens questions the design of a God who seemingly ignored human suffering for thousands of years.
- Highlights the brutality, fear, and challenges faced by humans throughout history.
- Expresses skepticism about divine intervention after a long period of apparent neglect.
03:35 🌍 *Atheist Critique of God's Design*
- Questions the logic of divine supervision given the harsh conditions humans endured for thousands of years.
- Criticizes the concept of intervention, highlighting examples like the crucifixion of Jesus and the story of Moses.
- Challenges the notion of God as a benevolent designer, raising concerns about cruelty and capriciousness.
13:55 🌌 *Science, Faith, and God's Existence*
- John Lennox defends the compatibility of science and faith, referencing historical scientists who believed in God.
- Counters the claim that science diminishes God's greatness, emphasizing the complementary nature of science and faith.
- Addresses the irony of new atheists rejecting faith while relying on faith in scientific principles.
16:55 🌟 *God's Greatness and Personal Transformation*
- Shifts the focus to the greatness of God beyond creation, portraying God as a judge, and God of grace and love.
- Lennox shares personal experiences and observes positive transformations in individuals who put their faith in Christ.
- Encourages contemplation on God's goodness, suggesting a perspective beyond the debate's intellectual aspects.
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I love how John Lennox is never angry or dogmatic in his responses. Almost always has a smile on his face. Thank you for this!
I'm sorry but Dr Lennox is being absolutely dogmatic in his answers. He states quite clearly he knows who created light for example! There's not a shred of scientific proof that that's the case and yet he say's it as if it's empirical fact! The only basis for Christianity is the Bible and that's a document that was written years after the supposed events. Science relies on facts and nothing more...
and mr Lennox has never demonstrated that his invisible friend is real.Until he can demonstrate that we are entitled to treat his claim as superstitious misogynistic bronze age nonsense
His smile reminds me of when my baby would shit herself, she would have that beatific little grin as she filled her diaper. Probably quite happy she has accomplished what to her is a much needed task ,without any idea of what a big pile of Sh!t it is. Just like dear old John. Now I am not in any way saying God does or does not exist. It is Jonn's defence of a Christian Religions Views about god that i strongly question & which I believe are no where near as valuable in any way than say ... my daughters full diaper, and are IMO as far from the truth as the edge of the Universe to my left is from the edge of the Universe to my right. That is the entire "God" Atheist problem he argues about & that is religious views. Man made up religious opinions, stories etc have nothing to do with God ! They really only have to do with control of population, they are a way for a few "leaders" to take control using a God myth, We Know The Answers & You Need Our Guidance. I have yet to see anyone arguing the greatness of God or God's. But there are any number of Persons who are experts on & will argue in defence of Christianity(all 4000+ sects) or Judaism, or Islam as well as those who know what Buddha wants, & the multi God religions of the near & far east . Yes huge amounts of Religion arguers, No actual God(s) champions arguing against all the religious views out there AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANT & NEVER SPOKEN IS....The Gods complete & utter silence on all of it .
It's all dogma perhaps you don't use the word.
John is not as intellect as Christopher, blatantly not the level, christian missed the main objective to such debate.... Every bias
Preaching the gospel during a debate...beautifully done
The gospel written by man and plagiarized from the Persians and the Romans
Preaching the gospel, or anything else, is fallacious in a debate; it's not an argument-quite clearly.
@@mortyharenza9854recorded* by people. that's how history works.
@@burntgod7165hey there! I'm guessing you didn't watch. OP is rightly impressed with Mr. Lennox's skill in structuring his successful arguments in such a way that not only do they answer the strawman put forward, but also they lead naturally to the point of the whole debate in the first place: the greatness of God as most vividly expressed in his self-sacrifice on our behalf. Hope that helps, have a good one!
@@KalonOrdona2 Actually, prof. Lennox's starts with a straw-man argument. Hitchens pointed out existence of natural evil (not involving human actions / morality) and Lennox responded with argument about evil done in name of God (moral evil).
>the greatness of God as most vividly expressed in his self-sacrifice<
It is incorrect. Immortal God can't die. "Death" for a weekend is nothing for the eternal God. And this God is omnipotent hence, he can't be harmed by his own creation.
It would be interesting to have Hitchin's response.
This guy is too dishonest to show it
Agreed @@morgenmuffel5747
Thanks for sharing these debates.
I always enjoyed listening to Christopher Hitchens debate. He brought the tough questions, yet I don't ever recall him launching into personal attacks. Although I never met him, I was sad when he died.
Oh that is very sad that he died--especially if he did so without changing his mind.
According to atheist religion, What is wrong abot genocide?
Should we ask stalin?
He now has the answers.
If God would allow him to return
O what stories he could tell
@@rroadmap That's the big cheese isn't it. Hell is waiting for those who don't repent?
I ran aground on some of the atheist literature back in the 80s as a high school student. All around me I saw only death. After about ten years of hopelessness and mortal dread I read Ezekiel 36:26 and asked God for help. I can still remember how much brighter everything looked to me after that. It's now 30 years later and, though I still catch a glimpse of that old darkness when I hear someone like Hitchens talk, I have grown in faith and knowledge very steadily over the years. Keep up the good work!
If believing in stories told by fearful uneducated superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert tribesmen in the most backward part of the middle east that have no basis in fact leads you to happiness then you should stay a believer.
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 You mean like Dawkins? Ok.
Ezekiel 36:26 NASB95
Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
I used to live a Godless life. This lead me to darkness, destruction, suffering. My faith lights up my soul and makes everything better in life.
I don't believe in religion literally and I also believe in science but I believe in a higher being a lot. Spirituality is important. Also, atheism can feel religious aswell since there is no proof of that there is no God, it's just a faith. Hence atheists cannot say they are superior to religious people in this aspect, they are very similar.
@@Clarity_of_Light I'm sorry you felt like that, but you "feeling worse" has no bearing on the truth of something. In contrast, I abandoned my irrational belief in God when I was a teenager and really started being able to think critically. My life is richer and less miserable because of it -- but that in itself doesn't make me right. Your deduction about atheism being a "faith" also shows that you don't understand the atheistic proposition. An atheist is simply one who lacks a belief in god (a-theist). By definition, that is not faith. I understand that theists misrepresent atheism all the time, but someone who actively "believes" there isn't a god lands in a subcategory of atheism not described by atheism itself.
Fascinating debate. Makes you think and after all, isn't that the purpose? Enjoyed listening to both of them.
Lennox did not debate, he preached, as all apologetics do, not one in any so called debate has demonstrated their imaginary gods to exist, and that's all they have to do to win any debate, that no one in the history of the world has ever proven any gods to exist shows their failure, apologist claim, those such as Higgins dispute their claims and explain why, then apologist just come out with another evidenced claim. Attempting to argue a god into existence has been a total failure, the fact that no god has been proven to exist is proof of that.
Did Hitchens aim to rid the world of faith? I recall that he actually said “ believe what you want, but leave me and my children out of it”.
No, he just rationalised what religion was and what it was doing to societies.
@@MittensUK He wrongfully rationalized.
I disagree with you entirely @@vi683a
No, he is very correct and you have wrongfully invested yourself in a god myth that has no truth and only echos of stories of mortal man.@@vi683a
@@vi683a aka raised the standard of living across the planet, supplanted the rule of power and fame, with love and mercy, and made the lowest outcast a leading member of his congregation.
Anyone who denies God is love still has their own God, just one that isn't love.
See the following: (people have time to criticize Christianity because it has already done all the hard work)
Protestantism also has had an important influence on science. According to the Merton Thesis, there was a positive correlation between the rise of English Puritanism and German Pietism on the one hand, and early experimental science on the other.[72][73][74]
The cultural influence of Christianity includes social welfare,[75] founding hospitals,[76] economics (as the Protestant work ethic),[77][78] natural law (which would later influence the creation of international law),[79] politics,[80] architecture,[81] literature,[82] personal hygiene (ablution),[83][84][85][86] and family life.[87][88] Historically, extended families were the basic family unit in the Christian culture and countries.[89]
Christianity played a role in ending practices common among pagan societies, such as human sacrifice, slavery,[90] infanticide and polygamy.[91] Scientists such as Newton and Galileo believed that God would be better understood if God's creation was better understood.[92]
Christianity had a significant impact on education and science and medicine as the church created the basis of the Western system of education,[62] and was the sponsor of founding universities in the Western world as the university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting
"Christianity planted the hospital: the well-endowed establishments of the Levant and the scattered houses of the West shared a common religious ethos of charity." The Byzantine Empire was one of the first empires to have flourishing medical establishments. Prior to the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire had hospitals specifically for soldiers and slaves. However, none of these establishments were for the public. The hospitals in Byzantium were originally started by the church to act as a place for the poor to have access to basic amenities.
Thank you for not talking and commenting through the clip. I appreciate your input at the end and due to your restraint during the clip, I actually listened to your views on it.
Problem is, they’re both talking about to COMPLETELY different things. The Atheist is talking about Religion, while the other gentleman is talking about the existence of a God
Exactly. Pretty rare that Christian apologists actually try to defend the nonsense in the Bible.
@@pauls7803what nonsense? Can you give some explanation. All Bible prophecies come to pass exactly as prophesied. The Bible is the only book ever written that stated thousands of years ago that the universe had a beginning, is expanding, has fixed laws of physics, that everything that is detectable is made from that which is undetectable and there are mountains, valleys, springs and pathways under the sea. Only God knows the end from the beginning. Every month scientific and archaeological discoveries are proving the accuracy of the Bible. Have you not been paying attention to the true facts about the Bible. Tell me some of the nonsense you are talking about. Maranatha
Watch it again. Hitchens' point is just that the so called intelligent design isn't intelligent at all.
What he did not do is baselessly assert or even worse, misrepresent as Lennox did. Couldn't bear to watch the whole thing, but as a scientist, he should know Newton didn't "discover" the laws of gravity. No one says science created anything, except as a Strawman argument.
But mainly, the old chestnut of "atheists are evil, look at 20th century dictators". Hitler was a Catholic. National Socialist Germany was a religious state.
For Lennox to deny this to please an audience is unacceptable.
Shame I say!
Most religions are centered around the existence of a god so same thing.
@@pauls7803Like that we are all created in God's image?
You do realize that the western concept of human rights comes ftom that?
No other civilization ever outlawed slavery and even segregation for that reason.
You doubt that, check the Cairo Declaration of Human Rights...
So utterly fantastic that despite his loss we can still listen in awe at his wit & intellectual oratory.
Please watch and share with others my four brief videos in which I present examples of scientific facts contained in the Bible; facts that the writers thousands of years ago could not have been aware of without divine knowledge given to them by God. Thank you!
Yes Hitchens is very much missed
@@TheAmericanDane I wish he had become a Christian before he died. Now he's lost and God has stated in His word that He wants no one to be lost. However, God has given us free will to make our own choices. Hitchens unfortunately did not choose wisely.
Take care.
@@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921 what utter BS !
@@ittaiklein8541 Hey, Ittai: You are not correct. God loves you more than any human being ever has or ever will.
The Bible states that Jesus Christ stands at the door of your heart and knocks. But Jesus isn't going to break down your door. He's given you free will. It's your decision whether to invite Him in.
I pray that you will do that. Take care.
The old guy keeps justifying one of thousands of invented gods by referring to scientists and others as guessing that a deity exists which offers no proof whatsoever.
Exactly. They offer some incident or even simply a thought - assign it some heavy truth and base everything going forward upon that !! It’s akin to an illegal search. Anything after that is fruit of the forbidden tree - dohh shouldn’t have used a religion inspired phrase!!
This is essentially the “if God is so good, why does evil exist?” Argument. You don’t have to even read the the bible to know this, just the first few chapters.
Pretty much,its amateur stuff kinda ridiculous its considered" genius brilliant epic"
Einstein answered this question.
Facts 😂 just read a lil bit
@@danielhicks4826 I gotta better question that could serve as "ammunition" for atheists.
But even then, it would require atheists to abandon the notion of atheism since atheism is pointless to begin with and has no visceral power.
But anyways, what an atheist could say is, "Was the serpent really evil? Perhaps the serpent is good. He helped open the eyes of Adam and Eve so that they may know good and evil."
Then again, it serves as a moot question because then one would have to question the "power" and "greatness" of the Ancient Serpent to begin with.
Why'd he have to sneak in and disguise himself if he was so powerful and worthy to be venerated as the hero who opens eyes?
A mighty and true hero wouldn't do that.
thats easy: bible showns that the god of Abraham is a violent, narsissistic maniac...
My wife & I have had the pleasure of meeting Dr Lennox speak on an Alaskan cruise. His intellect is obvious, but what may not be is his humor & storytelling!
Of course it's just story telling 🌈
Mr Lennox can ramble on for hours about his imaginary friend but until there is evidence that his invisible friend is real we rational folk are entitled to treat his claim as superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert nonsense that came from fearful uneducated superstitious misogynistic bronze age desert tribesmen in the most backward part of the middle east that have no basis in fact whatsoever.
Super amazing!
Atheist Asks TOUGH Question: EPIC Response! [to some totally unrelated questions]. I would like to hear the Christian response to the question of why God allowed 99.9% of species to go extinct and then stood back for at least 98,000 years as Homo Sapiens suffered and struggled so terribly, before finally sending down Jesus [which doesn't seem to have helped very much].
You will never hear the answer.
it is painful to say I don't know - so they keep quiet.
Agree. People believes in theistic evolution because of lack of knowledge, confirmation bias and indoctrination.
"[which doesn't seem to have helped very much]" aka raised the standard of living across the planet, supplanted the rule of power and fame, with love and mercy, and made the lowest outcast a leading member of his congregation.
Anyone who denies God is love still has their own God, just one that isn't love.
"[which doesn't seem to have helped very much]" See the following:
Protestantism also has had an important influence on science. According to the Merton Thesis, there was a positive correlation between the rise of English Puritanism and German Pietism on the one hand, and early experimental science on the other.[72][73][74]
The cultural influence of Christianity includes social welfare,[75] founding hospitals,[76] economics (as the Protestant work ethic),[77][78] natural law (which would later influence the creation of international law),[79] politics,[80] architecture,[81] literature,[82] personal hygiene (ablution),[83][84][85][86] and family life.[87][88] Historically, extended families were the basic family unit in the Christian culture and countries.[89]
Christianity played a role in ending practices common among pagan societies, such as human sacrifice, slavery,[90] infanticide and polygamy.[91] Scientists such as Newton and Galileo believed that God would be better understood if God's creation was better understood.[92]
Christianity had a significant impact on education and science and medicine as the church created the basis of the Western system of education,[62] and was the sponsor of founding universities in the Western world as the university is generally regarded as an institution that has its origin in the Medieval Christian setting
"Christianity planted the hospital: the well-endowed establishments of the Levant and the scattered houses of the West shared a common religious ethos of charity." The Byzantine Empire was one of the first empires to have flourishing medical establishments. Prior to the Byzantine Empire the Roman Empire had hospitals specifically for soldiers and slaves. However, none of these establishments were for the public. The hospitals in Byzantium were originally started by the church to act as a place for the poor to have access to basic amenities.
One very slight google search, not to mention the millions of people who individually followed Jesus' teachings and based their lives around love rather than the materialistic schlock that you've put above God. But nice try.
I've listened to a lot of Lennox. Never heard the man directly answer the question he was asked. Weird for a mathematician. Almost makes you think it's intentional.
@@tryintoreason9738 Almost makes people with an IQ above room temperature realise the question being asked was better explained with an answer that you have trouble understanding. The problem with direct answers is that they're easy to misrepresent, context is needed if the question is anything worth answering, but you MUST know that
Really enjoyed this. So much, I'm actually going to watch it again right now. So much in there!
I have a friend who was an atheist and studied Ph.d in Cryptography in Germany. He said that he became a Christian while trying to use science to prove that there was no God. He is now a preacher in a local Christian church.
And like all theists he has no nobel prize for his "research". Now he is a grifter like all preachers.
@@Z4r4szGod bless you, you need it.
Your other comments ramblings reveal how sad your worldview is.
Your getting very worked up over these videos, let’s take a break.
A Nobel prize isn’t needed because it’s already obvious, and has been known before.
I’m sure if God talked to you, you might as well call it a hallucination or your schizophrenic.
@@Z4r4sz if your an atheist you have no basis to call anybody a grifter lol. You also have no basis to even care about this or anything else in life. Stick to your nihilistic and sad worldview. And actually live like you believe in it for once
Ask him to use science to prove there is God. I bet he will fail also.
I'm an atheist
It's so sad that mind as great as Hitchens can't accept the truth about the life. The problem is not in his mind but in his heart. Hitchen often uses very emotional arguments and it seems that he's in pain.
May he rest in peace ❤
Unfortunately he is in Hell. Unless he secretly confessed Jesus as his savior in his heart. But I would doubt that.
it hurts to say but I think there is cause for reasonable doubt whether he is resting in peace - however one never knows what has been in ones heart. And God searches the hearts.
people always say Hitchens was sooo brilliant- really? take away his English accent and listen to what he says, he is just bitter and angry. I hope he found Jesus before he took his last breath
@@ChopinIsMyBestFriend We can only pray that he did :)
@@bryant475 Surely. No one can know a man in his heart of hearts.
LENNOX LITERALLY WON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE people that died "in the name of religion"
Many Christians who have died, did so at the hands of those in opposition to Christianity. Murder isn't exclusive to religious believers. The Bible makes clear the standards of God and humans of all walks don't measure up. The difference is Christians have a standard to measure themselves by and it doesn't change like the whims of whatever is popular among secularists. What secular society believes today will change in 30 to 40 years. It always has and will continue to do so.
To your question “is god good”, Christopher Hitchens have written a whole book about it. I would recommend you to read it.
Couldn't agree more
How can Hitchens talk about God , when he doesn’t believe…
Years ago, Dr.John Lennox has a UA-cam channel, the subscribers were no more than 3k if I remember correctly. I thought why so small despite the richness, the values of its content.
At that time I remember the saying "“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it."
I felt very elite and privileged to have found such sound wisdom and good understanding, at that time I felt I am one of the very few who is blessed to find that "narrow gate".
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I know!! He’s wildly underrated and unknown for how profound he is! And a deep love of Christ too! I’m honored to help get his message out there!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Thank you for this video. That man speak Truth.
Exactly 💯. Many Atheists in the comments section making but nice strawman arguments against Christianity and theism. Professor John Lennox showing the hypocritical double standards that Atheists have for religious beliefs and theism that they don't apply to what Atheists do. I used to be an atheist and agnostic but they're both assumptions about reality made without any evidence just emotional and strawman arguments against Christianity and theism. Creation and design requires a Creator we call God. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a fellow Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college student. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom he is not wildly underrated he is wildly overrated by Christians. His arguments are weak, and he is talking nonsense. I could shred him into pieces in every argument he tries to make. Because his only argument is always " how could you not believe". And if you would not be so afraid of the truth you would show the entire argument between those two. But you don't. You never do that in not one of your videos, because you are afraid. The only reason Lennox did not get laughed at is, because he is working in Oxford. And to be honest. He don't deserve a place there. He is not a scientist he is a preacher.
Obviously this was a televised/recorded debate and that was the introduction. Please make available if you haven't already the arguments for and against as this debate continued..
Thank you for posting.
Great! Thanks for sharing this video and your thoughts.
I like how the first opening speech was good enough to make me realise why i dont believe in any high power
People who don't believe in God always presuppose that dying is somehow the worst possible thing that could ever happen. For God, death is just his creatures taking a step forward.
How about being tortured. God should not have made us to feel pain
@@lyberth4366 If you didn't know pain, you wouldn't know pleasure because you'd have nothing to compare it to. You could be tortured for days and after this life it would seem like a millisecond when compared to eternity.
@@toddbender3463 So you are fine with you or others getting tortured, cause in the end it doesnt matter? Or u are just another hypocrite who doesnt understand what he is talking about?
Pain protects us, If you didn't feel pain when you got burnt on a hot stove (I was a todler once lol), you would not pull your hand away.
Shouldn't people who believe in God be suicidal then? Also all these replies suggest God must be a really sadistic being.
Praise the Lord from india ❤️✝️🇮🇳🙏
If God had wanted to reveal himself to us, why not do it properly? Why would he do it in a million different ways, originating thousands of different religious doctrines? To toy with us? Why would he want to confuse us so badly? And if he is so superior that he is just indifferent to our condition, a situation that -in the light of human history - seems very likely, aren't all the religious doctrines a complete delusion?
I find being an atheist fell into place as soon as I accepted that there doesn't have to be a reason.
So life has no reason?
That's not very scientific.
@@worldofwrestling6186reason is what you make it
John Lennox gives the best argument against Atheism I have ever heard, he is level headed generous & rational
And yet there is no substance to any of his arguments..
@horseguy1230 That’s an L take my man
@@pauldavid2407 That can be argued either way, though I have yet to see any solid factual evidence for the existence of god. Convince me.
@@horseguy1230 Materialism would lead you to believe that haha
@@horseguy1230 Let me ask you a real question what would be evidence of God to you?
A lot of love from Mexico. Thanks for sharing! ❤
Come on, my friend, think carefully and decide. This world was not created to be a game. There is a creator. We are put to the test. We will learn to compete in good deeds. The good will win and attain eternal heaven. Islam commands us to compete in good deeds, and it prohibits sins such as cruelty, lying, adultery, interest, murder, gambling, etc.
I love that Hitchens argument is basically, gods not real because if he was, he would love to put slippers on my feet and cook my breakfast for me.
He makes it sound as though given the choice between living for 20 years or not living at all, he would choose the latter
You can kinda see it in how he looked. That man was deeply unhappy all of his life. And that's true of all who reject The Lord.
Right, so everyone who believes in God is happy and everyone who doesn't is unhappy. No other factors contribute to one's happiness. So, if you found out tomorrow that there was no God, nothing about the universe would ever make you happy again. Not your family, not your friends, not comedy, or art, or nature, or endorphins, or chocolate, or babies being born, or birthdays, parties, or music, or traveling, or loving or being loved... There's nothing at all that could ever make you feel happiness again? That's a pretty depressing belief system you have there.
@@gardenia3044 Physical joy can be achieved on earth but it is on temporal... happiness is eternal and true Spiritual happiness, eternal, can only be experienced by those who believe in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Lennox cites various scientists who say there must be some organisation behind the universe and quickly assumes it is god
Thank you so much for sharing this. God bless everyone.
Thanks for doing this! Love seeing these terrific clips you unearth. Great work you’re doing.
He's a content stealing loser with literally nothing interesting to say.
I believe that Hitchens was an honest atheist, one who denied ALL deity and never wavered.. but.. he once spoke very kindly about people from different religions mainly Jewish and Christians who expressed kindness and friendship towards him. I hope in the end it touched him
Even if it did, that alone would not save him
Thanks for the roundup. I get how we’re taught to be thankful and know for all Hitchens’ misery he too enjoyed good food, sunsets, new shoes, and BM&Ds for that matter. Indeed there is a theory that God shows his mercy to the Hitchens of this world by not tormenting them with knowledge of their eternal state beforehand, unless the bitterness is judgement seeping through.
The first guy makes a fantastic case for the redemption and enlightenment of Christ, for 98,000 years (or however long) humanity stumbled through a broken and pain filled world and clawed out a basic existence. After 2,000 years of knowing God we've spread rationality, peace and freedom across the most of the globe; we've settled vast areas on every continent and have abundant resources; we've created complex technology that connects humanity; and we've even come to understand the universe to the level that we can travel to other planets.
Well I agree with you minus the 98,000 years part. That's pure conjecture based on problematic dating.
You must live in an alternative universe if you believe 'After 2,000 years of knowing God we've spread rationality, peace and freedom across most most of the globe....'
The broken world, stumbling,and pain is gone now huh..? Thanks for the info. I'd never have known otherwise.
I'm certainly on the side of Lennox in this debate, but I don't think your observation here really rebuts Hitchens' position. Hitchens asked how a loving God could allow humanity to struggle for so many millenia before entering the world to enlighten it. I'm a Christian but I think the question is a fair one, and unfortunately the segments shown here do not answer that question.
First I would argue that Hitchens' question misses the real point of God entering the physical world in the person of Jesus Christ. That point was not to educate about the material world or to end physical suffering; it was to redeem. It was to make clear Who God is and who man is; to make clear that the only life for man is relationship with God; to make clear that man's nature prevents that relationship; and to provide the means for that relationship. I certainly take your point that material and social progress have followed in the wake of Christianity but even had they not, man would still be redeemed by Christ's atoning death and victorious resurrection. After all the Christian believers who lived before The Enlightenment were just as redeemed as we are today although they did not enjoy the advances you catalog.
More directly, Hitchens' argument is rebutted by recognizing that the number of years or the number of generations is not relevant; the number of people is relevant. Estimating the proportion of the total number of people who have ever lived in each millenium is very imprecise, but it's not hard to find estimates that about 95% of all the people who have ever lived have been since Christ. So Hitchens' argument that God coldly watched people struggle for 98,000 years and only helped people for 2,000 years is a pretty significant misrepresentation of the opportunity mankind has had to benefit from the knowledge of Christ's physical presence on earth.
Yea Hitchens is arguing why so much absurd amounts of suffering prior to our modernity. Saying that it is good now doesn’t quite outweigh all the pain and misery these people went through for 100,000 years. Very out of touch to the significance of the point. Dismissive actually - but it takes lack of imagination, dishonesty, and a selfish heart not to take Hitchens argument head on. Reflect on it more would be my first bit of advice to you.
I hust duscovered your channel and have binged several of your videos. I pray that God blesses your ministry, dear brother. ♥️🙏
Brother, you are not talking too much. What is have to say is precious and valuable.
The doctrine of the eternal suffering of the wicked presents a much more cruel "God" than the Old Testament
What else you get if you don't want good?
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Love your channel. There is no interruption in the middle of the video.
My litmus test for who I will allow myself to continue to listen to these days is this: that a person will acknowledge the validity of points that don’t readily or immediately support their own narrative, beliefs, or ideology. If someone can do that, I am more apt to believe they are earnestly seeking at the truth. It is a seemingly rarer and rarer trait these days.
Just one thing - You did not bring Christopher Hitching's reply to Lenox, I'm sure he could bring us a more convincing summary than that which you have provided.
Yeasss .this video is one sided
Will any debate or amount of proof change the minds of either views that already grained in our minds?
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1. Yes - but only with some of the more intelligent people. Alas; Intelligent people are few & far between.
2. The word is 'ingrained' & not 'grained' ! please proofread your comments.
@@ittaiklein8541 Appreciate you pointing that out "Karen"
A painting claiming there's no painter, doesn't appreciate itself or its creator.
I'm very glad your channel still exists.
Ditto
I appreciate Daily Dose of Wisdom for having taken the trouble to stay on the RIGHT side of History ! God Bless !
I studied science at University, I've worked in IT all my life ... but I'm also an artist and I open my eyes and my mind to the world around us, and not a day goes by where something doesn't make me think, that is beautiful, or how is that possible. Every day we just have to look and realise there is design in everything. The laws of nature are constants across the universe, that is design, not randomness from nothing! But I struggled all my life with the idea of a benevolent god, when you see all the horrors we inflict on each other, in his name. But this video, finally gave me the answer, it is as Lennox says, people falling short of the glory of god, not god inflicting these horrors. Thankyou for this video, it's helping me a lot!
And it took you a life time to get it ??? ..its so obvious just by look at the history of humanity...and you know what ? behind all of this is the demonic realm....and you know why God lets people believe the demonic lies ?......because we choose it and God is letting humanity exercise their right to choose !
I’m glad you’ve found your sop .
did you really have to comment ?@@dennisevans6544
I've never looked at a platypus and thought "yup, someone had to have designed that!" 🤣
Nutter.
Praise God for Christian apologetics like Professor Lennox. Lennox defends Christian faith in the must articulate and, at the same time, the most rational manner I've ever heard.
Amen to that.
Lennox’s legacy is cemented as one of the most impactful contributors to the field of Christian apologetics of this generation.
well Lennox should prove his faith in fact any christian
Mark 16:18
If they drink anything poisonous, it will not hurt them.
@@ashwayn oh are you trying to demonstrate you have read the Bible?
Keep reading and you'll find out the context and which specific group of people at which specific time that was referring to.
Well done you. Would you like me to recommend a few good teachers? Top tip friend is read only the King James Holy Bible. The rest have been corrupted. I wish you well on your journey, if you are wise you will realise you don't have to go anywhere except inside you and the Cross where your Saviour died for you.
@@ashwayn You have an incorrect interpretation of that passage.
The point of Mark 16:18 is that a powerful and resourceful enemy, even with forces of nature, cannot stop the the Body of Christ (His church) & mission from prevailing, no matter what is thrown against it. The context is metaphorical.
The verse is certainly not proclaiming Christians are immune to snake bites & the effects of consuming poison.
Sadly it’s one that has been misused & misinterpreted often throughout the centuries by those who have either a faint understanding of Scripture and/or a disregard for adhering to the entirety of Its authority.
“Do not test The Lord thy God”
A proclaiming Christian drinking poison as a test or attempt to prove a sort of divine protection or immunity is a clear and direct example of what we are commanded not to do.
@@ashwayn you were so close to saying something rational, but it ended being emotional, childish garbage.
Loved this. VERY VERY powerful words! Good debate.
Maybe a day will come when I hear a good apologist argument. Sadly it is not today.
John didn't even answer Christopher's question about why, 98000 years there wasn't a "great religion"?
"How it works" vs "why it exists." Great distinction!
@jessicaj9743you are in a cult.
Dr. John Lennox, a mathematician and Dr. Hugh ross an astrophysicist, are some of my favorites because they understand that God's creation and science are complementary, not mutually exclusive. In fact, the more is discovered, the more we can see the Lord's handiwork! As a nutritional biochemistry researcher and future physician, the more I look into how it all works, the more I appreciate the genius of God! One of the ways- God's natural plant foods heal us and contain thousands of medicinal phytonutrients/antioxidants!
So basically you're saying: something complex that works = god?
@@capslock956Yeah, it is (at least what i understood from what the guy was saying). Have you ever looked at a clock and thought "yep, that came completely out of lucky"? It is already proven that if the constants of the universe where slightiest different we wouldn't be here. A expansion of the universe a little faster, a little slower, or a the distance from the sun a little bit different and etc. Why is that? By luck? I won't take that possibility out as irracional, but believing that there are a powerful being behind it all isn't stupid as well
@capslock956 Because its by design & not chaotic is enough evidence of a Creator YES! an explosion in a library never created an Oxford dictionary but evolution says that something exactly like this has happened! Well I don't have that kind of blind faith.
@@capslock956 No,, complex and specified.
Here's a definition of specified complexity. What's the empirical evidence showing that a material process can generate specified complexity?
"Specified complexity, the property of an object being both unlikely and structurally organized, has been proposed as a signifier of design. Objects exhibiting specified complexity must be both complex (e.g., unlikely under the relevant probability distribution) and specified (e.g., conform to an independent or detached specification)."
--- George D. Montanez
Department of Computer Science, Harvey Mudd College, Claremont, CA
Natural plants heal us because they contain the same chemicals that are body uses to grow and develop. In the same way that the plan uses are rotting flesh when we are dead in the ground. How does that proof that it was God that did it as opposed to say funguses and viruses did it.
Hitchens critiques have caused much beneficial conversation. I do appreciate his civility, scathing, though he can be.
As an atheist, i hit like, it was informative. Opened my eyes to the fact that evil likes to disguise itself in a mantle of good, just like modern fascists call themselves inti-fascists, i suppose in medieval times it was easiest for war mongrels to wear the mantle of their god.
Still, there is no explanation why god constantly need money, a lot of money. Actually there is - starting a religion is one of the best ways to get extremely rich. Why would good christian people protect the rights of those scumbags (some of which openly drive supercars) to withhold information about their earnings, and protect their right to not pay taxes? Taxes that will go to help people?
I can’t believe I’ve never heard Mr. Lennox speak before today . What an awesome guy and a blessing to us . Praying we get more people like him .
Same. I've been absent of his mind of a resource.
If you like former mathematicians babbling in ignorance and lying about branches of science they’ve never studied then he’s your man!
Type “John Lennox” and start listening to his lectures and debates. You will be blessed!
@@GaryLyons blessed with an arrogant fool lying about a crisis in evolutionary biology for example….
What's it matter..he saysvthe same old tired thing every other apologist says
Now play Hitchens' response...
Have watched a few clips from this channel and they are biased.... just my personal observation.
Some people really need there to be a meaning to life, but in no way or form does there have to be a meaning to all this. Our brain is wired to want to give meaning to anything and everything, but that doesn't mean there has to be a meaning to everything.
Good on ya mate! 🙏💜
Still waiting for him to respond to what was actually said
His speech was great but I find it very frustrating when they refuse to actually listen to each other's questions and points... Still the questions and atheist's points were pretty weak, like He waited for millions of years to create us and send Jesus... ok so? That's not really a reason not to believe right? There's also tons of things on Earth and the Universe other than humans. On the other hand, long speech guy mentioned how the world being intelligible could only mean a designer, but that statement is really about the human mind and how it's come to understand the inner workings of a reality that's already there. Anyway, I'd appreciate an actual debate with real communication between the parties, if anyone points some channel out I'd appreciate that even more :D
He said something about science not being able to define energy, so he does not have all the answers. Religion will not give evidence. But my personal opinion is that we do not know how God Spoke with the People before the bible.
I'll share this reply from @ljuboizsiska5448 since they put it well:
"Debates begin with a general address to the audience, emphasizing the thesis that will be defended during the debate. During the introductory speech, it is not necessary to pay attention to the opening speech of the opponent, because if that were the case, the one who spoke first would have an unfair advantage. This video does not show the entire debate, but only the opening statements. In the later course of the debate, there is a real conflict of opinion and a direct response to the arguments of the opponent. I hope that the flow and rules of debating are a little clearer to you now."
@@sombrio4862 I had to laugh at the "argument" of doubting gods existence because it took so long for his creations to believe in him. There are two options: either he cares if beings believe in him, or he doesn't. If he doesn't: well so what? If he does: how can we even pretend to know what timescale god is operating in (if he isn't beyond space and time altogether)? What if 10 million years feel like a lazy sunday afternoon to god? Assuming that what we as humans would consider a long time must therefore be the same for god is beyond ignorant. And even IF it were so, what point would it prove? This is hardly a debate, it's a comedy show, and I say that as an agnostic who is open to the possibility of there really being no god, however unlikely that may be.
That’s the problem. You didn’t hear nor listen to what was said.
Thank you brother for composing this video; as well as being an intermediary for us who have missed the mark with or testimony. I will definitely be sending this to several friends who would be blessed with your perspective. God bless you.
How do Christians square the circle on the "Asian Question"? Most have man beings today and throughout history are/were Asian as never heard of the Jesus story? Why would the Creator of the universe and the Earth and humanity design a religion, a "salvation" for humanity that excludes most human beings?
And what does Hitchens respond to this? Very biased video, but after your comment I'm not surprised😀
That was so amazing to watch. Love your videos so much. Really felt what you said and was so true.
"I'll clap along with that"
Of course you will... like a trained seal.
Would be cool to know what the actual topic of the debate was.
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the debate is still interesting but widely different if you watch it in its entirety 😉
It’s pretty funny how they think their cherry picked segment makes it seem like the guy scored a point against Hitchens, but even this clip makes him look like a babbling zealot.
Wow.. We definitely needed the full video😂
Hitchins described perfectly the world that’s separated itself from God
God created this world, this earth, gave us this life - Life is a Gift from God
Running away from REAL life and hoping to hide in a fantasy shamelessly sponging off God for eternity wont work
@ramaraksha01 which God? there have been 7,000 plus gods that have been proposed by humans over time in hundreds of different languages and in hundreds of different countries.there is not and never has been the slightest evidence that any of them are real.i am sorry that people whom you trusted fed you this ridiculous bronze age nonsense
@@clarkelaidlaw1678 The One that passed judgement on Sodom and gommorah and sent millions of sulphur balls raining down to earth. The sulphur balls are STILL THERE to this very day under the ashes and in the Dead Sea. That GOD, The ALMIGHTY
The question asked a not answered ...that's the most important point
I so glad I found this channel. I really love it.
Me Too!!!
Why wasn’t Hitchens response included? That’s not a debate but a statement. My belief is real and strong, would have liked to heard a debate.
Exactly and it's almost always the christian god.
The reason there is no response is because no response is adequate to repudiate his argument.
Oh and by the way, most of what Hitchens argued in the first four minutes of is speculation. All of his time frames are based on carbon 14 dating which is only accurate to 50,000 years.
Some of even question the entire premise of its accuracy at all.
Dumb viewer, both debaters we're shown
Because this man wanted to focus on a segment, then provide a short commentary. He knows if the viewer is curious, we can do what he did and look up the entire debate for ourselves.
This form of debate is what should be being had on all manner of topics, but the populace and it's leaders seem unwilling to engage in this manner these days. People are holding higher there emotions on a topic than there reasons for there stated positions.
God bless you for sharing this truth.
If you know world history concerning this subject, you know what is left out of this debate!!!
Thank you for posting this with your commentary. It was much needed.
The very idea that Christ died just for us to have a chance is mind blowing!!! His sacrifice literally gives us the blessing and gift of choosing to follow Him!!!
What exactly did he "sacrifice"? He could do it basically every weekend.
Christ is a scapegoat
The question for me isn't if God exists. It's if God is good.
He didn't explain how God was good. He just said God sent His Son for us. That's not an explanation.
If you were ill with a contagious disease, and even if I didn't have to come and help you, I decided to do so, doesn't this by itself make me a good person? That's what Jesus did. He didn't have to become human, he was God after all, but out of kindness, compassion and love, was crucified and died on the cross for us.
He didn't have to create us at all. He didn't have to create disease. And if you argue that He didn't create disease, he didn't have to allow it. If He did have to allow it, then whatever mandated that is God.
I can't see the argument for God being good when 100% of his creations fail to live up to His commandments. And knowing that, He creates Hell. I don't see how introducing a fix, Jesus, makes Him good, especially when most of His creation will still fail. And burn in Hell for all eternity. You can say He gives us free will, but is it really fair when most of his creations will choose to burn forever rather than accept the cure, which is only faith based anyways? How can you call that decision making device He created any good at all? Is faulty if 100% would result in its own torture.
If I have a son, I abolish any system I put into place that results in him burning in hellfire for all eternity. And if I don't abolish it, if I burn my son because he made some mistakes ( with a decision making organ that I created that is also faulty), I cannot be called good.
"I once was lost but now im found ".
You know that song was about slavery, not god, right?
I used to watch all these guys when I was younger bro and got converted to atheism! God graciously brought me back with a powerful encounter of the Holy Ghost after 7 long years ! I know Hitchens Harris all those atheist guys , and am very familiar with these debates. That wrestle with human suffering was a hard one for me but he had mercy on it to come back and get me out of darkness ! Sin is the reason this world is ugly and jacked ! But he is going to restore all and a Christ came to redeem us from what we’ve done and from what others may have done to us! Good stuff . Good channel bro ✊🏽Christ is the truth Godbless 🙏🏽
And who and who is going to hell if I may ask ?
Jesus has visited this earth a second time.
Why would you leave God for of all things - atheism?? It’s soooooo hateful and depressing - daddy issues many of athiestic followers
No proof my guy. Sorry. Christ is the truth sounds sad to me. Not trying to be mean, but these are all stories. People lie and fabricate and make stuff up all the time. Literally all the time. Crazy that people take religion seriously when I could convincingly tell people I am the messiah, some people start believeing me, then more, then more and more. Then the story and whole thing gets carried away because of how many people are involved then so much misinformation gets spewed and embellishments. Then thousands of years pass on top of all that. Idk. Just not a realistic thing to believe. I would 100% if there was any actual proof tho. I would believe 100%
This is just so beautiful. Thank you so much for this.
what's the name of the song at the end?
Where was God hanging out 13 billion years ago before the Big Bang?
Wherever He wanted
Beautiful and profound commentary...
These debate videos are really cool to watch. I feel like even though these guys have completely different view points the still respect each other. If only this could be true for all people.
that is how real men should be... me,, i might not like you but i will prepare a delicious meal for you yes and in love
Look up Bishop Robert Barron regarding Hitchens. He’s a fan for one and he explains how Chris was seeking God even if he wasn’t aware. Worth the 10 minutes
@@altrmind'Real men'? What about women? Or don't women count?
@@bdave2049 you are being irrelevant...
As if one should respect the suggestion, we all travel with one foot in fantasyland, using a fantasyland vocabulary.
You know them by their works, so what does it tell you about those advocating prayer? Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital.
Who advocates faith, when it is worthless if you can't move mountains using faith & verbal commands to landscape?
What kind of person speaks of god as if we did not have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing, outside of fiction.
No wonder Feud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy.
Can we please finally overcome Religion?
Definitely. Maybe will take another 2000 years, but it us short time in human history.
all man made theories will be discredited by time and advancement of human intelligence.
I tried, but then I met Him(although not male or female…). If a person asks the Devine Creator to reveal himself to them, He will. And I was never more sane & present in my life.
Belief in something does not make it real
This wasn't a video on questions and answers because, he clearly didn't answer the question. This was a video to hear Mr. Lennox's debate response.
The question of the debate was "Is God Great?", which he did answer, I suspect this would have been the opening of the debate before their rebuttals and responses to each other.
Dinesh D’Souza answered this same long question from Hitchens very satisfactorily. He responded to the bit about it all being a waste as that being an observation of a creature bound by limits of efficiency. He pointed out that God is not such a being.. so none of this would be a waste of any sort to Him. As far as why God waited so long to intervene.. Dinesh accurately pointed out that the vast majority of human beings who have ever lived lived after the life of Christ, as the massive populations explosions happened post Christ. This means that if Jesus wanted to come at the perfect time to reach the majority of mankind.. he did. Also.. there had just recently (historically speaking)been laid all of the Roman roads to carry the gospel to the known world.
I’d like to add that I’ve watched Hitchens many times.. and there are always plenty of questions from the opposition he fails to address.
@jonathanwallace6861 The point about the Roman roads is a good one, I believe Billy Graham made a point regarding that. Historically and geographically, Jesus came at the perfect time and in the perfect place for the Gospel to spread most efficiently.
@@CHLangley Or god couldve just showed himself to everyone instead of relying on humans to spread his message. Why do gods always rely on humans to do the work?
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind"
- Einstein, from Science and Religion 1954
Thanks Again ...so much
I love how you use these videos to supplement them with preaching. This is what (I think) is missing from these discussions. God bless you man!
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One thing I could never understand is why does God refuse to show his face to us? Why is He so hell-bent on wanting us to believe in Him through faith? It seems so silly.
would it make a difference ?
Jesus showed himself to everyone and they all rejected Him. It is written that if they reject Jesus, they reject God. Jesus has the same character whether He was in His glorified form or in His fleshly form. Rejecting who He is in His fleshly form means that you would reject Him in His glorified form.
Think about if he were to show his face to the world in an undeniable fashion. Do you think that would make civilization better or worse? I’d argue it would just cause everyone to act in a panicked frenzy. That’s why God mostly obscures himself and only reveals himself in subtle ways to us individually so it’s just enough to keep people living a faithful life.
God knows that no one can tolerate the mighty light of his face in this world and gave the signs and minds that lead you to truth and faith is the only way to God.
But you must follow the evidence that proves you the right religion.
It would take away your free will
It was a great response, but I'd have liked to hear him touch on what Hitchens actually said.
Debates begin with a general address to the audience, emphasizing the thesis that will be defended during the debate. During the introductory speech, it is not necessary to pay attention to the opening speech of the opponent, because if that were the case, the one who spoke first would have an unfair advantage. This video does not show the entire debate, but only the opening statements. In the later course of the debate, there is a real conflict of opinion and a direct response to the arguments of the opponent. I hope that the flow and rules of debating are a little clearer to you now.
If you want to know why sufferings are allowed on earth, well, the bible itself mentioned that there will be a lot of sufferings on earth. So the atheists can't really use the argument why there are sufferings on earth if God is real. Have you heard of the great tribulations? A lot more sufferings are coming to us. We are supposed to overcome sufferings and still have good relationship with God. If suffering comes and you start cursing God, then you failed the test.
The sufferings and death will disappear once we are in heaven or after the final judgment. Those who are deemed righteous and holy will be saved and will have eternal life free from sufferings. The wicked ones will die a second death (the first death is the physical death) and their souls burned in the lake of fire.
Atheists are not in any position to make intelligent comments about anything, because by their own admission they are not intelligently designed. Enough said. 😂
he does in many videos on YT
@@wavemaker2077why would a loving god do that? Sounds like desperate justification, doesn't it? And what of the fossil record? Was proof of evolution carefully placed everywhere as a test?