Most Fun CAS Jet in The Game | A-4E Skyhawk (War Thunder)

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  • @ShyeHD
    @ShyeHD 11 місяців тому +161

    using the TV camera for the bulpups is actually impressively smart

    • @putraaji6726
      @putraaji6726 11 місяців тому +5

      Ya... I want to try it 😅

    • @lucasaltieres6657
      @lucasaltieres6657 11 місяців тому +1

      How to configure this?

    • @atle1524
      @atle1524 11 місяців тому +5

      @@lucasaltieres6657 bring 1 Walleye

    • @angeldeath3685
      @angeldeath3685 11 місяців тому +5

      Look easy use tv with bullpup but is not easy

    • @radiofreemongoliaofficial
      @radiofreemongoliaofficial 11 місяців тому +3

      Just use the walleye, it’s less of a chore to aim

  • @Gallant_Sabot
    @Gallant_Sabot 11 місяців тому +68

    This is actually the most ingenious CAS setup I’ve ever seen. Zooming in to guide the pups is so smart

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +13

      It is fun and effective, give it a try :)

  • @lucky_luke4785
    @lucky_luke4785 11 місяців тому +27

    The RWR going off, when somebody nearby is being locked is a real phenomenon. The effect is called sidelobe effect. Especially old rwr that do not distinct signals by their strength very well are susceptible to it

  • @Stegosaurus888
    @Stegosaurus888 11 місяців тому +39

    People always forgot that yes the A-4 is an attacker, but is still used by private companies as aggressor aircraft today for the USAF and Navy because it has an almost unrivaled roll rate and turn rate (while yes being a little under powered with it's engine). Against 50's and 60's sub sonics the thing is a beast in a dogfight imo.

    • @chukuma4760
      @chukuma4760 11 місяців тому +4

      That's why it fought f14s and other planes in the top gun training program

    • @jameshodgson3656
      @jameshodgson3656 9 місяців тому +4

      The later variants have much better engines, an example is the Israeli A-4N in game. But IRL the US had similarly advanced versions, too

    • @xdgiih766
      @xdgiih766 9 місяців тому +2

      Wonder how well it would’ve done with a afterburner engine? Like the F-100 from the F-16

    • @meesamkhan4767
      @meesamkhan4767 4 місяці тому

      @@xdgiih766 that means less range and a heavier weight which would probably limit the ordnance it could carry, therefore defeating the point of it being a subsonic light attack aircraft.

  • @Boris_The_Turtle
    @Boris_The_Turtle 11 місяців тому +8

    Using the TV camera as a dollar store targeting pod is a 500 IQ play.
    It's just too bad that I suck at using MCLOS missiles.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +2

      We have to adapt Boris :D

    • @CrazyDutchguys
      @CrazyDutchguys 11 місяців тому +2

      The right settings help a lot for MCLOS, I think i might have copied Hunter's control settings for them at some point. Immediately went from not being able to use them at all to being able to target which part of the tank i want to hit.

    • @turtleboy440
      @turtleboy440 2 місяці тому

      Where woukd i find those settings ​@CrazyDutchguys

  • @lukehartman3534
    @lukehartman3534 11 місяців тому +14

    I really like the Israeli A-4E. It's one of my most used jets in both ground RB and air Sim.
    Keep up the awesome content my dude! ❤

    • @fire_drake12.arc.24
      @fire_drake12.arc.24 11 місяців тому

      Its sad that USA doesnt have one of the improved ones as a premium. Currently no good premium CAS or Helis at 8.0-9.7

  • @hewkan8481
    @hewkan8481 11 місяців тому +8

    it's so better to see the bullup after the update, much easier to control now.

  • @jett2753
    @jett2753 11 місяців тому +11

    I always thought the navy should have gave the A-4 afterburners. Could you imagine?!

    • @Sapphire_North
      @Sapphire_North Місяць тому

      It would destroy the point of it being a subsonic light attack aircraft because of the increased weight and lower range/higher fuel consumption

    • @jett2753
      @jett2753 Місяць тому

      @@Sapphire_North I don’t think you really understand how jet engines work. Adding afterburners isn’t some ginormous, complex addition to an engine. The added weight is insignificant. And sure, there would be increase fuel consumption, but that’s why pilots only use it when needed. During daytime missions, pilots would hit the afterburners coming off target for increased speed and decrease chances of being hit by AAA.

  • @MrFoxtanz
    @MrFoxtanz 11 місяців тому +2

    Waouhh Fun and pleasure to see. Vs the G91 its a dangerous move when you choose go vertical but it end very well^^. Ah and i never thx to you for the tips of using TV view of Walleye for fire ATGM the first time you show this in a vidéo.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the tip, will try rate fight with it next time, have a wonderful day :)

  • @_OpFor
    @_OpFor 11 місяців тому +1

    Damn Hunter good flying my friend!

  • @ThunderHunter2019
    @ThunderHunter2019 11 місяців тому +2

    I finally got the MIG-27 10.0 and Leapord 2a6 🎉❤ keep up this content

  • @BKBCrAnK
    @BKBCrAnK 11 місяців тому +3

    Yea the A4 is really fun but the A4N at 9.3 in the Israeli tree is even more fun since there are no night battles to worry about. 2x AGM TV bombs, 3x AGM Mavericks AND 2 Shrafir 2s.
    Israel has such a strong 9.3 lineup it’s insane.
    If the "end of the line" vehicles not have a massiv amount of RP needed to spade these tanks it would be even better.. (Magach 7C and Machbet)
    My lineup is Ayjit(A4N), Merkava 2D, Gal Batash, Magach 7C the Machbet and that 9.0 heli . It’s super fun 💪🤙

  • @neilcarson4511
    @neilcarson4511 11 місяців тому +1

    Hunter doing the Top Gun chit again, some amazing kills in that match, very good my man :)

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Thanks a lot my friend :)

  • @TwT6
    @TwT6 11 місяців тому +1

    It’s the same trick that you use it previously on that video shooting 12km with the f4 phantom :D
    Definitely smart by your part 📝

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, it is a good method .. thanks a lot :)

  • @bagelmaster2498
    @bagelmaster2498 11 місяців тому +8

    I know it isn’t a completely new vehicle but could you make a video on the German su22m4?

  • @halooord
    @halooord 11 місяців тому

    Damn, you are too good for this game. TV Guiding MCLOS Bombs? I can't even figure out how that works.

  • @coltfanning4894
    @coltfanning4894 11 місяців тому +2

    You have to be the smartest player ever. Using your Walleye TV system to guide your Nords. 😂

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Adapting lol, thanks a lot :)

  • @n1njat0rak47
    @n1njat0rak47 11 місяців тому +1

    5:20 yeah that is working completely as intended, your RWR doesn't discriminate between hostile and friendly when getting pings or locks, it just lets you know you are being targeted

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Shilka was locking enemy plane not me.

    • @n1njat0rak47
      @n1njat0rak47 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Hunter_i86 yeah I know that, but you where close enough that the radiation from the radar was also hitting your jet, that is a real thing that happens

  • @s.antonio9554
    @s.antonio9554 11 місяців тому +1

    That's what I'm talking about!
    That's why the A-4E is the MVP!
    That's why A-4E is the GOAT; the GOAT!!!

  • @Jajalaatmaar
    @Jajalaatmaar Місяць тому

    Just realized there's custom loadouts now. Been blowing up tanks with 5x Bullpup loadouts and no zoom for 2000 hours.

  • @jbeverley67
    @jbeverley67 11 місяців тому +2

    Hey hunter speaking of a4s, id love to see the A4N (The Ayit)!

  • @tangent.arc38618
    @tangent.arc38618 11 місяців тому +1

    Bro this is so interesting

  • @OoOo0o0O
    @OoOo0o0O 11 місяців тому +3

    TV bullpup lol

  • @majidmobarhan9270
    @majidmobarhan9270 11 місяців тому +1

    20:46 احسنتم اخی 👌

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      أشكرك صديقي

  • @fire_drake12.arc.24
    @fire_drake12.arc.24 11 місяців тому

    There is nothing more satisfying than hitting Bullpup shots manually from 6km away. Granted the other day i hit an IT-1 directly twice and they did nothing.
    I just wish and hope they give USA a premium A-4 variant for CAS at some point. We have nothing good around that BR

  • @m6m6a
    @m6m6a 11 місяців тому

    this is very cool, can you share you adjustment on the controls (multiplier, correction etc.)?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      They are on default, you just need RMB + WASD and relative control "NO". Thanks :)

  • @Crusader6A
    @Crusader6A 11 місяців тому +4

    Abrams

  • @zimmre423
    @zimmre423 10 місяців тому +2

    i thought that the freindlies locking enemy aircraft giving you rwr warning is realistic as the radar pings are painting your aircraft as well making it think as if you are locked too

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  10 місяців тому +1

      Maybe you are right, but man they need to tune it down even if it was realistic ..

  • @siegfriedsaveher
    @siegfriedsaveher 11 місяців тому +1

    passing in front of you at 17:10, i believe we did some dogfighting in that same match

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      You shot me down after that strike 👍

  • @FetterOger97
    @FetterOger97 11 місяців тому

    His genius is amlost frightening.... using the GBU as a targeting pot to guid the pubs.... i raise my hat sir

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks my friend, I appreciate your kindness :)

  • @angelavila8722
    @angelavila8722 11 місяців тому +1

    Heck yeah im just about to start grinding the israeli air tree

  • @mr.abrams9885
    @mr.abrams9885 11 місяців тому +2

    Hitting tanks directly with a agm will never not be satisfying

  • @erice.9514
    @erice.9514 11 місяців тому +2

    I prefer the Israeli ones, esp the A-4N but also the E. They are so good paired up with the awesome M60 platforms.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Yeah, that's up to preference .. I didn't say this plane is the best, I said it is the most fun because guiding Bullpup manually is more fun than Maverick, I mean more satisfying, to me at least.

    • @erice.9514
      @erice.9514 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 actually I prefer the Walleye ER. The missiles are so difficult to use. I don't have many flightHrs and practice such as you (it shows in your use of the bullpup). The Walleye are a guaranteed kill mostly and sometimes even multiple targets. (Strangely... I almost never hit with the GBU8)

  • @Kelgo102
    @Kelgo102 11 місяців тому

    I wish this plane had ccip. Would be my favorite plane lol

  • @Nope_617
    @Nope_617 11 місяців тому +3

    If only the bullpups and nords were still usable like this, now with the update it got even harder

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      I didn't feel so much difference when tested Bullpup after La Royale, still effective.

    • @Deus1929
      @Deus1929 11 місяців тому

      I think the main issue is the graphical change to the smoke trail left behind makes it very difficult to see the missile after launch.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      @@Deus1929 That's correct, it is harder to see the missile now, with no TV sight launch it at 2km target, but with TV sight you can still launch it from 10km.

    • @CrazyDutchguys
      @CrazyDutchguys 11 місяців тому

      Man Nords have been trash for a while now, I've hit tanks directly on the roof and not done any significant damage more times than i can count. At least bullpups delete everything they touch

  • @biohazardindustrieswr697
    @biohazardindustrieswr697 11 місяців тому

    Unfortunately the MCLOS missiles are a lot harder to guide now because of the new missile trail effects. It completely obscures the view of the missile.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Yeah, launch it at 2km with no TV sight .. and with TV you can still guide it to a 10km target.

  • @jhkim9341
    @jhkim9341 11 місяців тому +1

    Wall'eye' targeting pod lmaooo

  • @1629con
    @1629con 11 місяців тому

    i tried using bullpups with the TV camera before La Royale but it always turned off when I fired the bullpups

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Maybe this? Give it a try ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxa-5QAc1zFiEgvxeLh_aqTLCNqOQsRgxT

  • @lilasnowflake5632
    @lilasnowflake5632 7 місяців тому

    HE DONT NEED HARVARD, HARVARD NEED HIM 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Thruxz911
    @Thruxz911 11 місяців тому +1

    Hunter pls share your realistic controls

  • @haf_blind_piratehaha4344
    @haf_blind_piratehaha4344 11 місяців тому +1

    Hello! Hope you are doing well.

  • @drnugget8347
    @drnugget8347 10 місяців тому +1

    Can you tell us the settings you used to make your AGM’s so contrôlable ? Bc I’ve tried to make them controlable just like yours but I didn’t manage to understand it, can you make a tutorial ?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  10 місяців тому

      RMB + WASD, default sensitivity, relative control NO.

    • @drnugget8347
      @drnugget8347 10 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 what about multiplicator and correction ? what does which controls did you assigned RMB + WASD ? which value did you input to multiplicator, correction dead zone and linearity ?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  10 місяців тому

      @@drnugget8347 I don't remember I changed them my friend, I only changed relative control to NO for both Yaw and Pitch.

  • @swag_jay-_-2743
    @swag_jay-_-2743 2 місяці тому +1

    Very balanced for fight 8.3 AAs

  • @tacocat0674
    @tacocat0674 11 місяців тому +1

    Hey hunter what post FX setting do you use?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Hello, all default but color correction is "film".

    • @tacocat0674
      @tacocat0674 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 thanks 👍

  • @barkond
    @barkond 5 місяців тому +1

    what are your multipliers on guidance axles for manually guided rockets?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  5 місяців тому

      Default, relative control NO.

    • @barkond
      @barkond 5 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 hmm, I thought you would had smaller multiplier that default, your controls are very precise

  • @EdouardLAURENT
    @EdouardLAURENT 11 місяців тому +1

    Love A4-E, but love classic Su25 even more!

    • @chukuma4760
      @chukuma4760 11 місяців тому

      Dash goes after designation "A-4"

  • @jonatansittner6912
    @jonatansittner6912 11 місяців тому +1

    what is the key action to jump directly to the chamber of the bombs or missiles? I have to cycle through all the views until I get to the gun aiming camera

    • @monika-Chr
      @monika-Chr 11 місяців тому

      Bomb sight

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      I use two buttons:
      - Toggle View
      - External View

  • @jskingdom44
    @jskingdom44 11 місяців тому

    what's your ground missile targeting settings plz ? speed sensitivity

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      RMB + WASD
      Relative Control "NO" for both Yaw & Pitch.
      Dead Zone "0"
      Nonlinearity "1"
      Multiplier "0.2"
      Correction 0%

    • @jskingdom44
      @jskingdom44 11 місяців тому

      @Hunter_i86 thx a lot. I'll try it

  • @warlikecomic2022
    @warlikecomic2022 11 місяців тому

    Still waiting for the a4m to be added

  • @XboxProdigy1
    @XboxProdigy1 11 місяців тому

    Hold the fucking phone. This man used the TV camera to guide in the bullpup.

  • @Bobamelius
    @Bobamelius 11 місяців тому +1

    How do your wings not instantly break off the second you turn?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      hmmm "New Boosters" modification is uninstalled and be easy on the pitch up button.

  • @echooo270
    @echooo270 11 місяців тому +1

    That issue with you getting an rwr warning when a friendly is locking someone is very common in high tier air rb (from my experience) and its incredibly annoying. Especially when youre in the middle of a large dogfight where theres many friendlies and enemies, and you cant tell if your rwr warnings is actually an enemy locking you or not.

    • @o-mauler-o3021
      @o-mauler-o3021 11 місяців тому

      I believe it's the TWS (Track While Scan) from friendly/enemy jets that ping you while scanning. Typically mostly used by F-14s, but I've started using it on the MiG-29.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      I played a half and hour battle in air sim EC .. literally the entire battle RWR didn't shut up.

    • @EhmedCousCous
      @EhmedCousCous 11 місяців тому

      I don’t think it’s a bug since the radar searches close to the enemy aircraft when locked and you might be in that cone if you’re close to that enemy or behind it

    • @saxwastaken
      @saxwastaken 11 місяців тому +1

      @@o-mauler-o3021 The point of TWS is that it doesn't give you a lock warning

    • @o-mauler-o3021
      @o-mauler-o3021 11 місяців тому

      @@saxwastaken damn my lack of knowledge betrays me

  • @a_Minion_of_Soros
    @a_Minion_of_Soros 11 місяців тому +1

    *The USS Libety left the chat...

  • @Frost_x_NB
    @Frost_x_NB 11 місяців тому +1

    Ok but what about the A10A’s they, suffer and have broken damage models compared to the SU25 variants. What about their BRs? They are simply based of the fire power but we all know your not going to be armed to the teeth in either Air RB or Ground RB. You’ll just get tossed around for being slow and an easy target. What will happen though when the A10C comes out? Probably the same treatment. I think the SU39 is fine where it’s at. It clearly the best CAS in the game and beats everything else in its role. The real serious thing that should be said is War Thunder needs different variety of game modes to suit it plethora of over 2000 different vehicles. It’s the same games mode day in and day out for the most part. Trying to do any CAS , with a plane dedicated for that role in a game mode won off of Air dominance like Air RB/SB is a death trap.

  • @birdybutch
    @birdybutch 11 місяців тому

    CAS is great but strela is new soviet OP.

  • @mynamenotazis
    @mynamenotazis 9 місяців тому +1

    can you guys help? using the ccrp system, my plane drops only one bomb, ignoring the command to drop bombs in series.🙈

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  9 місяців тому +1

      Use fire\select secondary weapons buttons, and ripple button as well.

    • @mynamenotazis
      @mynamenotazis 9 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 Thanks a lot. I liked the idea of using TV bombs to target missiles. I changed my 1920*1080p monitor to 3440*1440 for aim bullpups. Its look like pixel hunting😅🙈

  • @angeldeath3685
    @angeldeath3685 11 місяців тому +1

    if someone deserves to be named pro player is hunter

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      That's so kind of you, thanks a lot my friend.

  • @zenitu6914
    @zenitu6914 11 місяців тому

    Mirage 20005f cas with pgms when?😢

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Soon my friend

    • @zenitu6914
      @zenitu6914 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 yess thx

  • @zlounberg6958
    @zlounberg6958 11 місяців тому +1

    how do i setup MCLOS so it's only either 0% or 100%

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Relative Control "NO" for Yaw and Pitch

    • @zlounberg6958
      @zlounberg6958 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 thanks

  • @user-ml9mn5wh2f
    @user-ml9mn5wh2f 11 місяців тому +1

    Bet you won't play AC4 Comona over one of your clips 😎

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      Sounds interesting ua-cam.com/video/9G1ob5jnuSo/v-deo.html
      I didn't hear it before

    • @user-ml9mn5wh2f
      @user-ml9mn5wh2f 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 😎

  • @yourchaoticgamer
    @yourchaoticgamer 11 місяців тому

    Can someone explain why he marks the enemies spawn point when he does CAS?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      To search for SPAA, they usually stay around spawn :D

    • @yourchaoticgamer
      @yourchaoticgamer 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 thank you

  • @angelavila8722
    @angelavila8722 11 місяців тому +2

    Is it impossible to flare Stingers and Strelas, asking for a friend??? 😬

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      I guess it is impossible to flare them haha

    • @Wotplaya4
      @Wotplaya4 11 місяців тому +1

      It is technically possible but hard. Strela's 9M37M can be flared like normal missiles, the tricky part however is making them see the flare in the first place as it only has a 0.5 degree fov once locked. So from the rear aspect and front aspect it can be flared more easily, from the side aspect it nearly is unflareable, especially at closer ranges.
      Stingers, and other manpads similar to it, have the exact same problem as mentioned before with an extra way to ignore flares. So when it sees a flare, instead of tracking it, it just ignores it and continues flying using inertial tracking (it flies to the predicted path you'll be at) until the flare leaves its FOV, at which point it resumes tracking you. So the trick with missiles with "ECCM" (though it should be called IRCCM) is to dump a lot of flares to make sure the missile guides on inertial tracking while changing direction and then pray that the missile doesn't reacquire you after. It just requires a ton of flares to exploit this weakness, which most planes might not have enough of to do this more than once.

    • @angelavila8722
      @angelavila8722 11 місяців тому

      @@Wotplaya4 you are king and i hope you know that. Thanks bro 🫡

  • @function1296
    @function1296 11 місяців тому +1

    i personally prefer the a4b to the e but the e is great too. the israeli a4s are trash i don't know how they could ruin such a good jet

  • @SpencerUY
    @SpencerUY 11 місяців тому

    Sorry me Eng. Guie for control pls

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      RMB + WASD
      Relative Control "NO" for both Yaw & Pitch.

    • @SpencerUY
      @SpencerUY 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 YT

  • @WhiteRhino27200
    @WhiteRhino27200 11 місяців тому +1

    Most fun CAS as most op you mean ?

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      No, definitely no lol .. I mean manual guiding of Bullpups is more fun and satisfying than Mavericks.

    • @WhiteRhino27200
      @WhiteRhino27200 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Hunter_i86 Yeah I get that, still is tho. I mean it's a squadron vehicle, ofc it's op.

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      @@WhiteRhino27200 Yeah, if you mean good for the BR then yes, it is definitely powerful. Guided weapons and high zoom sight at 8.7 is great for sure.

    • @WhiteRhino27200
      @WhiteRhino27200 11 місяців тому

      @@Hunter_i86 Yeah, that's what I meant.

  • @sirmhystik
    @sirmhystik 6 місяців тому

    Wrong title it should be called the Most crap Plane in the entire game of Warthunder now bc of th eupdates

  • @monke5712
    @monke5712 11 місяців тому +2

    Could you try Mirage f1c200 CAS ( i think the radar was buffed bc sometimes even after getting chaff the radar lock was on the plane)

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому +1

      Chaff is useless since ages lol, now flares work great against IRST lock though.

    • @monke5712
      @monke5712 11 місяців тому +1

      @@Hunter_i86 Well for the mirage was chaff its biggest enemy cuz they just chaffed 1 time and my radar lock was off but now its great sometimes its still locks onto chaff but my missle just goes after the plane lol

    • @Hunter_i86
      @Hunter_i86  11 місяців тому

      @@monke5712 Oh ok, I meant chaff is useless against SPAA missiles "the radar guided ones".