The Police & Crime Bill Gets Worse: Cracking Down Even Harder on Protest - TLDR News
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We discuss the amendments to the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. While this bill has been discussed in the media a lot in the last few months, little attention has been paid to the last-minute amendments the government are attempting to make. To its supporters, the government are responding to the tactics that have been used by Extinction Rebellion and Insulate Britain - ensuring the bill remains relevant and able to restrict disruptive protests. To its opponents, it makes an already autocratic bill even worse - effectively outlawing nearly all forms of protest, through loosely defined, badly written, undemocratic amendments submitted at the last possible moment.
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This bill just gets more and more horrifying. Seriously why are people not already out on the street protesting against it?
Because they are being distracted by Christmas parties and Johnson's wallpaper
Honestly the Christmas party scandal seems the biggest favour the Tories have ever done themselves.
@@gillb9222 And the second jobs and the baby and, and, and....and is this not the task of the...oh forgot there isn't any.
I'll go protest if it passes. Wait a moment...
Because proto-fascism is UK's bread and butter
This bill frightens me greatly. Does anyone remember the photographs of women chained to railings when they were fighting for the right to vote, this bill would criminalised their actions.
Their actions were criminal.
That’s why they went to prison and did hunger strikes
This bill criminalizes if the police 'think' you might be protesting or about to. One small step to 1984, One giant leap to totalitarian.
what? people lose jobs because of stupid people who have nothing better to do in the morning than block a road.. 50 weeks isnt even enough of a punishment
@@Jigachader Who lost their job?
@@Jigachader it would be great if it was just that simple. I don't like the insulate Britain protests but when governments create new vague powers they abuse it and never rilenquish it. Just like the patriot act in the US.
Fits well with Raab’s idea that police don’t investigate crimes committed in the past. Rather they need to focus on crimes that will be committed in the future and those ‘criminals’ of the future will now be punished in the present… What utterly madness!
That is a good observation.
Wasn't there a movie about that, in the US, quite a while ago?
there was a movie about it "Minority report" 👍
It might be possible that O.P was pointing out the incredible irony, with the usual sprinkiling of hypocrisy, with a dash of ludicrous bitter hilarity without drawing parallels to the dramatised, exaggerated, sanitised hollywood version of this concept.
Although it seems not too exaggerated now.
@@SickPrid3 Simpler times. When you could just sit and enjoy it. Nowadays you’d be sitting there thinking “sh1t. I hope the government don’t see this and get ideas.”
Turns out repeatedly electing the conservatives for over a decade makes a country significantly more conservative.
Sounds more fascist to me
they're in it together.
@gnorweb since when did they say labour would be any better?
This isn't conservativism - People who think it is need to look up what words mean.
@gnorweb cause instead of conservative they'd be labour
guys, i live in russia where protests are all but outlawed through laws like this. shame to see the uk going down the same path
£millions from Russian money slipped into the pocket of the tories that allowed them to win and con people into brexit happening. So yeah a bad joke that just keeps going here. I think to protect the tax havens but also weaken and distract Nato, UK and EU in one easily corruptible lunatic party.
Agree
Speaks to a weak government
The UK is not going down the same path as Russia
England mate this won't happen in Scotland. Let them try!
I think the bill should give the police new powers to investigate crimes that occurred a year ago, since apparently they can't do that at the moment.
like maskless christmas parties during lockdown?
Shame there wasn't 2 coppers outside when the crimes happened...oh wait..they did!
@@domhart9046 come on its a bit building, you could be in the flat upstairs and not realise there is a party.
@@BaileyBankai So the 40 + people heading into the building with drinks and party supplies didn't give it away you need to sign in to even get on the street let alone into number 10. these people where vetted time and time again there should be records upon records of everyone who stepped foot near those parties.
@@smoky-phil7694 yes that was the joke thanks for explaining.
More horrifying of the use of this Bill is its potential misuse. If no reason for stopping someone need to be given other than that they might do something in the future then this is tantamount to thought crime. How in a free society could somebody be imprisoned for something they might do?
You must not be very familiar with statute. Labour brought in the most egregious policing legislation we currently have with the Terrorism Act 2000. If I remember rightly they hilariously used that law to kick someone out of their Labour party conference who disagreed with their policy decisions, labelling a heckler a terrorist.
Don't worry. The government would never abuse its power just to penalise people it doesn't like. And if you don't believe me, they'll tell you themselves!
@@0w784g I do not get your argument? You argue that because Labour did something horrible, the Conservatives should also be able to do it? What has that to do with the prior comment, that simply said such an action shouldn't be allowed? Nothing. You are neither arguing for or against him but giving the illusion of a good argument against with your whataboutism.
@@LeDoctorBones You're right, I'm arguing neither for or against him, just pointing out that poor legislation is already statute. Why is that wrong?
@@0w784g It's a whataboutism. a Soviet tactic to derail the conversation so the focus isn't on the wrong being done now but rather on another wrong in the past or in another place and situation. Labour is a centrist party that has been out of power for over a decade. They are not relevant to any conversation about contemporary policy that another party enacts, this is a good way to dangle keys in front of the public debate, but the obvious rebuttal to it is 'that was wrong too, and two things can be wrong at the same time', so you are not really making any point.
When the government wants to make it harder to protest, it makes me think they are planning to do something that would cause more protests. With what's going on around the world, that is deeply alarming.
Yeah like a Christmas party.
So you think we need a separate force for dealing with protesters or forget dealing with crime extinction rebellion and BLM etc who want to destroy our society use alot of police time and don't have the peoples support BLM as political organisation
@@davidevans3223 Soup brain
@@bennyy7434 well said NOT we live in a civilised society ish but the loopy left believe they can dictate what the majority should do all you have to do is make a petition no need to attack police stations etc get support with dabate and reasoning parliament will be forced to respond but when a group of professional rioters start destroying property for no reason you get BLM free Palestine as well as acab standing together it's not even consistent nothing to do with racism and many like the girl shot in the head by a rival gang are bad people who need locking up nobody will take them seriously just look they don't get anywhere as the silent majority don't agree with the lunatics
@@davidevans3223 And when all your rights are gone you can bask in liberal tears and chant "We owned you!". Just make sure to do it quietly and not in public.
The government would be better off spending time looking at why people are protesting in the first place rather than ignoring the issues raised by the people they are elected to serve.
But that requires an admission of failure, that in of itself will mean they won't do it.
Yeah but you know, Marx was right etc. etc. The politicians serve the capitalist class and the main job of the police is to protect private property using their exclusive agency to violence.
You should get the picture by now, these guys were never supposed to serve the interests of the normal person, working class, let alone those protesting in the first place. This is just what inevitably happens when one group of people with lots of power decide that it would be bad to lose that power to pesky 'democracy' in any form, simple as.
The real cancel culture is when they throw teachers in the slammer for wanting more funding to buy staplers. GG guys, we've turned into Hungary.
Lol, conservatives don't care about the people. They only care about power.
@@dog-ez2nu commie
You talking about the same government that said a petition is merely a notice of interest in a topic?
If i was a police officer in London I would stop and search every mp going to and from work. On account that I think they are carrying objects related to fraud.
& the grade A’s
you could stop them even for doing there ''job''. There actions can instigate a protest in the first place.
Nah. Police should search one another. They do tend to be close to possible protest sites and they all carry handcuffs for some reason...
At 6:50 Ben says that an SDPO could be used to prevent someone from 'using the internet'. This is an over-simplification. An SDPO can be used to prevent someone from using the internet specifically to organise or encourage protests. The full wording can be found in Section 342N (part 3b) of the bill.
This is straight out of Paxton's definition of fascism, which in short talks of
- Nationalist militants working with traditional elites to abandon democratic liberties and pursues without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing.
We are no longer just on the slippery slope to fascism we are in free fall.
Phew, at least I can still keep tabs on my social credit score then.
Question is how it is going to be decide. What is the difference between encourage protest and express opinion? What is going to happen when opinion encourage protest.
Of course they written such that they can ur on the side of locking up protests.
@TLDR News you should pin this comment you made
5 steps closer to an authoritarian state. These kinds of powers will be very hard to wind back in the future.
It will be hard to get back into the EU with laws like this on the book. This is authoritarian banana republic stuff. But maybe that's the point
Yep. Even if you support these powers being used against Insulate Britain, for example. Think about how they will inevitably be turned back against a cause you support by a future government.
@@GhostlyJorg I wounder why we didn't boot you guys after your "beloved" government sent its dogs (called GCHQ!) to raid a newspaper, The Guardian, in broad daylight! Just because Edward Snowden had given them copies of files! Freedom of the press doesn't look like that! No way!
Call me a dick, but I hope we don't let you back in unless you clean house and pay the full amount of membership-fees this time around!
You said it mate
Can't handcuffs be used to "lock on" one person to another instead of just locking one person's hand together?
Does that mean all police need to arrest each other?
No they can't the arrest might disrupt others as well.
So they will all be requested to walk them selves in to prison in a orderly line with enough space in between to let others walk in between.
This is an incredible argument that nullifies the bill! Excllenf @DarkAvador
@Dan Didnot but that could be mistaken for. So by this law. Is a lock on protest. So arrest them. but again you are not allowed to detain them that would again be a lock on protest.
It's just awful. Argentina has better protection of the democratic right to protest than the UK.
That's the most authoritarian move i've ever seen.
holy shit. "you can be arrested for maybe being in an area where a crime might maybe possibly happen at some point"
That's not even thoughtcrime, that's WORSE.
Let me simplify that to "you can be arrested for being in a place". Let's face it, a crime taking place in any area is all but guaranteed if you wait long enough so it is essentially all areas.
@@seraphina985 I think you can cut that down to 4 words. "You can be arrested". Reasons? Who needs reasons? Those are for filthy foreigners.
@@Llortnerof Fair point
Kaiserreich has gone very real
What?
@@ProfessionalBadPerson I know it as a mod for the game hoi4. It's a scenario where Germany won WW1 and Britain turned fascist as a result.
@@apainintheaas No Britain is Syndicalist, I still don't get what he means.
@@ProfessionalBadPerson Ow right, my bad, it's been a while
I think he's getting onto how it's a dictatorship
The US constitution has a lot of problems and is incredibly outdated, but this law does show the benefit of having a codified constitution, which Britain doesn't. There is no way in hell this bill would ever survive any kind of scrutiny to the First Amendment in the US, but the people in the UK don't have that kind of protection.
We don’t have anything guaranteeing our human or civil rights, no, and it’s becoming ever more obvious to regular folks.
bruv we get arrested for tweets and while we av free healthcare its shockingly low quality and ive personally waited 2 months and counting on hearing when ill have surgery for my foot.
Unfortunently this is just in no way true in practice. While It may feel like it its only because its mostly done on the state level so its more disorganized. In reality protest laws are routinely introduced in the states and in fact theres a website dedicated to tracking these, and it is loonnnngggg (icnl’s protest law tracker). On the federal level you have administrations that just dont give an ef about existing laws and arrest protestors so the president can hold a bible upside down and do publicity stunts. Unfortuently just like so many examples the US consititution simply provides the veneer of individual rights, but in reality the fragmented nature of the states just makes it harder to track how often those rights are subverted (with the sole exception being 2A because theres money to be made from that one)
@@billthekid1591 It's shockingly good quality healthcare despite the fact that around 7% of GDP is spent on public healthcare. (You may read some stats that say the UK spends 9% of GDP on healthcare but that 9% includes ~2% spending on private healthcare, so NHS spend is ~7%)
@@jodders619 ‘good quality’ ..... highly questionable claim
Passing by a protest and holding the hand of someone could be seen as an offence.
If you had the bad luck of buying construction silicone and tape to fix your home and you are in an area where a protest takes place - again can be seen as an offence.
If the officers are in bad mood and interpret the situation wrongly, an innocent person may end up being prosecuted.
Being prosecuted isn't the problem, it's the fact they'll in all likelihood be convicted.
@@PCDelorian In Russia prosecution in majority of cases equals conviction(((
How to dismantle democracy: First step: Stir up hate and distrust in the institutions and portray minority groups as scapegoats for your own mismanagment (✓). Second step: Stop oversight from international organisations in order to break human rights more easily (Brexit ✓). Third step: Introduce a police state by cracking down on free speech by criminalising protest (...aaand check ✓). So, what's next... Fourth step: Bring media in line by taking control over opposing channels and hushing the critical voices. Fifth step: Infiltrate the justice system. Sixth step: Personality cult, militarism, strongmen... Seventh step: Invade Ireland.
on that fourth step, did u hear about the govt taking away BBC funding because it's apparently "leftist" and "biased"?
I dont like Exctinction Rebellion or Insulate Brittain and their tactics
But as a freedom loving libertarian, this law is scary
ER + IB are controlled opposition, carried out by useful idiots. It's obvious, the timing is to convenient with regards to this bill.
@@AnDy-of3mj How are they
As controversial as the insulate Britain protest tactics where, I feel like the media obsession over them has been deliberate to smear any form of peaceful protest as "obnoxious" or "bad" and to bring laws like this into reality
Yup
I mean… how would you report on the insulate Britain protests that wouldn’t portray them as obnoxious and bad? Surely the solution would be for protesters to set better examples?
I’m not in favour of the legislation but let’s be realistic when addressing the Insulate protesters. They’re pretty scummy people and they give protest a bad name.
Fair enough, I just find it interesting how nowadays certain huge protests are totally blacked out from the media like they don't exist whilst insulate british got loads of attention. The way the media almost made it into a sort of blood sport is what I found interesting. You are right though the tactics they deployed where bad but hopefully people don't get emotionally tricked into passing these laws.
yep, the drip fed Hegelian dialectic is their absolute favourite
@@theNebinator
Big protests are always ignored because they pose a threat to the status quo. Things only get media coverage when they are impossible to ignore or when they don't pose a threat.
For example, there have been a LOT of marches and protests in the UK on the right wing over the past few years and they've generally gone overlooked by the media because it doesn't help the Tories to have their base hearing about how bad a job they have been doing, however they can feely publicise things like BLM because the movement doesn't pose a threat to their voter numbers and it makes for a compelling distraction from the failures Tory voters would really care about.
So they are outlawing any protest they can't easily ignore. Lovely.
Also those new stop and search changes are disgusting.
@@JM-oi9pk will they aye?
Protest cannot be morally prevented under any circumstance. Existing law already allows the police to arrest anyone committing violent or destructive acts. This is just an authoritarian crackdown on non violent civil disobedience.
When you prevent non violent protest, you invite violent protest.
freedom is over, and the most disturbing part is that people seem to want this done not just to others, but to themselves.
Hilarious how this government grants more leeway to religious beliefs than to political ones
It's just another way to target the left without being explicit. Left-wing people tend to be less religious than right-wingers, so it will be easier to keep them locked up.
@@blede8649 left wing views aren’t illegal and demonised, right wing ones are.
Yeah because the church be running things to....
@@dylanmurphy6894 Can't wait to hear what these illegal right wing views are?
@@dylanmurphy6894 Were you paying attention? The tactics that are being criminalized here are ones used by left-wing protestors. This is clearly targeted against them.
The first thing that strikes me is that carrying a lock to secure my bicycle could be deemed illegal in the wrong place. Preventing someone from using the Internet would deny them of mobile banking. This really isn't well thought through and I don't think many chief police officers will be directing their constables to use it widely.
Wrong, they will abuse it at every opportunity.
@@vampire__uk I fear you may be right, just in denial.
Hmm I'm out on my M bike carrying a chain to lock it up and drive near a protest. I could get arrested
@@logik100.0 SO it would appear!
Look if you are riding or walking with your bike (because can't ride due to the congestion) and the police stop you and you have a dlock or chain lock either on your bike or in a backpack the police aren't going to do anything about that but if you are walking around with a lock and get stopped then that's fair because what's the excuse what you've left your bike unlocked and are going back to lock it up?
If the right to protest is disrupted then citizens Will assert themselves in less civil ways.
Like a good old rebellion aka insurgency
If this passes, when the Government continue to do randomly disgraceful things in the future, eventually people are going to lose their tempers.
When they gather to protest and the newly empowered cops show up, it is going to be a blood bath, because no one is going to go quietly with the threat of a 51 week prison sentence over their head.
@@JM-oi9pk the Troubles will look Childs play in comparison.
Sadly modern day cops have lost als sense of decency, because otherwise they'd resign with such laws on the books! Sadly, most cops are just attack dogs these days, that don't question orders, laws and often use excessive violence instead of trying to de-escalate! I was not a fan of "defund the police" - but seein all this world wide? Yes, defund them, I'd rather have anarchy than an armed gang that calls itself law enforcement enforcing laws I totally disagree with!
@Steve Shaw Serves them right - frankly I would resign if I were a cop with such laws on the books! Hell, Bavaria's (it's in Germany) new police jurisdiction law (which gives police tons of new powers and is governemnt overreach IMHO) is bad enough, but compared to this it is small fry! Then again: Stop them before the train derails fully!
This law makes all protest illegal in the UK, protests that don't cause some form of disruption aren't protests, they're stem letters.
@@JM-oi9pk how on earth can you look at an authoritarian bill passed by the british conservative party and conclude that it's the work of communists?
@@JM-oi9pk It's not communism, and it isn't moving towards communism. Don't use the USSR or the CCP as models for what communism is, as neither represent(ed) it.
@@JM-oi9pk Mate that ain't communism. Thats Fascism masquerading as Communism/socialism.
@@JM-oi9pk Nah, not communism, just basic slavery and tyranny...1984 anybody? :(
Breaking these laws comes with a 51 week to 10 year prison sentence… this cannot be allowed to pass
Maybe we can vote better next time :(
@@MuerteYCojones Sorry but brown people and Corbyn are very scary so instead I guess we’ll vote for the literal authoritarians xd
@@MuerteYCojones
Unfortunately that’s not realistic. People don’t vote well, they try to avoid voting poorly, so England dodged Corbyn and got hit by Johnson instead. An improvement, maybe, but a marginal one at best.
@@Vin_Venture896 the people chose bad over worse.
@@bobmartin9918 God I genuinely want to know how labour would’ve been worse lmao. Was the ghost of Karl Marx going to rise from the grave and murder everyone with an income over £50k?
Well if this bill is going to get passed we'll have to protest for greater police training... oh wait...
Not 'if', it's 'when'
This bill makes it so that you really do not have any reason to be peaceful.
This is absolutely shocking to see. Our human rights are being compromised, yet people don't do enough.
The same people that complained about "undemocratic fascist EU". Almost as if the fascists wanted to get rid of the one thing protecting democracy.. 🙃
"... normal actions being INADVERTENTLY criminalized..." I'm not sure that there is anything inadvertent about this.
Indeed, they are looking for an excuse to expand their surveillance powers and if everybody is a potential criminal? So much the better, only a few will still dare protest with such laws on the books! Seems they are kind of doing Tarkin Doctrine from Star Wars - Ruling through fear of force (and surgically applied force, to drive the point home!)
Last 2 laws are actually crazy. 1 step closer to Belarus levels of dictatorship.
Trying to balance the rights of protesters with those trying to go about their day is an oxymoron.
So protesters can allow people to die?
And before you say: "that's hyperbolic" the insulate Britain protesters almost killed someone when they refused an ambulance with patient to get to hospital resulting in the patient being permanently paralysed...
@@dwavenminer insulate has never stopped an ambulance and your story is bullshit.
Where were you when the tory policies were leading to deads every day from corona? What about when they continued to support anti green buisness?
@@dwavenminer thats hyperbolic. govt had killed thousands via nigh on two years of totally ludicrous actions agains the populace
@@ThePlayerOfGames 13th September M25, I'm sorry that facts are 'bullshit' and hurt your feelings...
I'm know it's hard, but try this thing called research. (And no trawling twitter and Facebook don't count)
- This bill is necessary to stop [insert unpopular people].
- But what's stopping you from using it against ordinary citizens?
- Nothing, but I promise we won't.
Yes, this makes it very easy for the police to crack down on disruptive protests, it also makes it very easy for the police to stop, search, and jail or fine anyone for existing outside their home, and makes it effectively impossible to be legally near a possible protest of any kind.
in 2021 I reckon having access to the Internet has become a primary need. A lot of services are no longer available "offline" and would greatly impair anyone's ability to function normally in society.
Try getting a vaccine or paying your taxes without the internet. It can be done but it's a right pain.
that’s the plan, so that you are entirely reliant
Does TLDR just hire people with the same voice 😂
How very chinese of them. Then again, does anyone actually expect something else from conservatives?
I don’t expect anything else from any of our major parties.
Bunch of lying trash-humans the lot of them.
good, the chinese and Hong Kong troublemakers and blm don't have to do anything. I support this
I can't help wondering if this would even have been possible without Brexit, given Article 12 in the EU's fundamental rights charter. And as messed up as a lot of things are here in the US, and as problematic as one or two parts of the Constitution is, videos like this make me appreciate the US Bill of Rights, particularly the First Amendment. I sometimes wish for similar protections in Australia, given the growing list of restrictions on protest federally and in some states, and the UK's hand-wavy constitution doesn't seem to do much for its citizens, either.
As far as I knew, they are still in place. People can still go to court about this.
But In general, I think it is good that the government does something against this. It is not ok that some people block streets, and they need to be punished accordingly.
@@everambe4347 Yea I don't like that either but they are also trying to sneak in some other very concerning changes along with that law.
@@jokuvaan5175 I absolutely get that. It needs to be as strong as needed and no step thunder.
@@everambe4347 Yes it is! Frankly that is what a protest is supposed to do! It should cause disruption! You aren't going down into the basement to protest, no you are going out on the street, you bring signs, you bring noise-makers (instruments, loudspeakers, whistles, megaphones etc. etc.) etc. to make government, but also other people, notice!
@@dreamingflurry2729 I have less of a problem with noise but more with blocking streets, entries, railways.
If you cause property damage, you should be charged for it.
If you want to hurt people, then we can not come to an agreement.
Apparently, there's a new section being drafted into the Bill, which deals with the introduction of a new "Judge Class" of police officers.
That's the best part of the law, it will streamline the entire justice system, greatly reducing the duration and cost of trials.
So what similar to an army judge
Judge Dredd? Damned, dystopia here we come! Judge, jury and executioner in one person...how "efficient" -.-
believing you are living in a democracy when still under a monarch
What's with anglo countries becoming more Authoritarian recently.
Thankyou for covering this
Imagine this legislation being used by a government who think that the rules don't apply to them, just the lower orders. Oh, wait.... This is dangerous. Seriously.
Yeah, we do not want to become like the CCP…
Protests escalate in frequency and severity when people feel they are unheard and powerless. I don't see how this makes things better.
I'm curious. Could this be used against union representatives on a picket line striking against their employer? It doesn't really seem like there are any limitations on the extent of the bill
Legally, if this bill is passed, yes. Any form of protest can become illegal and enforced by the police with their increased powers.
@@je6874 Apparently following the Train Guards strikes yes
Do the locking on rules ban caravanning in the UK? Attaching an object to another object outside of a dwelling and not caring that it will disrupt traffic on a motorway. Life in prison for you granddad!
Only if you glue or screw the caravan to the road. Standing on a road is not attaching to it.
For slowing traffic
Wait a minute, when adding amendments in the HoL that have not been approved by the HoC. Do not the HoC need to approve it again? Do not HoL and HoC both approve the same bill for the bill to get through.
Yes.
Lords can only suggest amendments.
You are correct.
I don’t think they’d have any trouble getting this through the commons, but it would need less stages of scrutiny after being approved.
HoL basically just suggest and debate. They dont exactly block anything. Another vote on it as expected in HoC
True, but the government control the amount of time the commons get to discuss Lord's Amendments, and which they vote on at what time. So if the Government want, they can minimise the time the amount of time the commons can discuss the amendments, and make them vote on them all in one block, rushing it all through
They tried to push something similar in 2019 relating to the railways
Do you want V for Vendetta? Because this is how you get V for Vendetta.
The Tories are such a lovely and misunderstood bunch, all they want for everybody is to have a nice, undisturbed X-mas! There is nothing facist or authoritarian about such measures! Well, every country has the government it deserves.
Hahahaha. Very funny.
Well, you say every country has the government it deserves, but none of the UK's devolved nations gave the Tories their majority. That was all England.
It is in times like this, in which counties leaving the UK can be justified
Fight, let your voice heard for the people are still in power. @
Scotland run! Before its too late
Yeah . We just need Boris up here on a visit 😖 and we'll run a bit ( or a lot ) faster 😂🤣😅🏴
@@dadikkedude I'm preparing a campaign for Devon to leave the UK, it won't be ready by the time this bill passes, but I predict that there will be support for it in my home town
@@edmundprice5276 Wait, you make Caimpaigns for Politicians?
Its just made me want to break this law.
Just to be sure I understand, the UK police can with that:
- Search you because they suspect you have glue
- Arrest you for having glue
- Without even a protest being nearby
?
Not quite, although very close.
Having an object does not instantly mean you would or could be arrested, mainly because it also says that the object needs to be intended for causing disruptive actions by you or someone else.
Hence that one is a bit less weird yet, so if there was no protest going on at all you may be fine, although the second there may be a protest going on somewhere nearby, they could in theory search you without even thinking you mean to protest, and should you be carrying an item that could be used to obstruct a road or be a public nuisance, then they could argue you are under suspicion of wanting to use said item for that purpose as a potential protester and THEN arrest you.
So it's not quite as straight forward yet, but still really really bad.
I dont agree with road blocking protests and something can be done about it (permissions, bans on public disruption >1hr or something) without making the entire country a police state. This government is in shambles.
Ready for ‘what about labour’ comments
Labour are the same as tories but with a pride flag in there bio
So essentially a more invasive stop and frisk for the entire UK? This is insane!
The fact that the narrator sounds frustrated at the amendments means it is terrifying for our democracy.
Part of me almost hopes to see this get through just to see how many people will try to justify it and how many people will ignore it
It will make the Troubles look like a peaceful demonstration compared to the hell that's coming.
Great video as always! Can you please cover the Health and Care Bill as well?
I don't throw around this word lightly, but that's pretty fascist.
Something like 200 thousand crimes take place in London every year, so pretty much _EVERYONE_ is "near" a "possible crime" at all times. This shit is utterly abhorrent
Thanks Insulate Britain. Thanks for securing our future 👏👏👏
Anyone remember the movie "V for Vendetta" or the graphic novel on which the movie was based? An authoritarian government of the kind described in that story is possible, in real life, if that bill is passed. And, there may not be a real-life "V" to save the day. If Guy Fawkes masks haven't been banned yet, just wait. That is just how serious the situation could become.
This has been coming quickly since 2010. I can remember several people were jailed for merely shouting a protest at David Cameron.
mickey thompson
2010 is the year that marked the start of all this.
Then, the Tories showed another dimension to us all.
Full scale scapegoating, of the poor, sick and unemployed, through "austerity ".
Many more awful things since, and no sign of any easing up.
The Tories are lower then vermin.
I think they will have to build a lot more prisons!!!!
Exactly! Our already full and understaffed prisons can't cope with the prisoners they have.
1984 and Big Brother are coming from the Right and not the Left.
Always was going to be the case.
They can accuse you of crimes even if it ain't true, all they have to say is I believe you so on and so on, it's a joke.
Embrace your self, lads. If this isn't 1984, I don't know.
Dear politicians, let me solve this for you; Ask your self, why does people protest? Most of them, I'll bet, will answer that they believe the government does something wrong/don't listen/break promises/etc. So guess what, politicians; Start listen to the public, and address their concerns in a serious matter. Remember that as a politician you are a public servant, working for the people and not for your self / party / buddies / family / lobbyists / NGO's / other governments / etc
Authority figures be like:
"I'm untouchable."
Until disaster strikes.
@@frankieseward8667 Epstein didn't kill himself
Banning Protests is a little... Draconian.
A little! More like a HUGELY
So Police carrying Handcuffs are then automatically guilty of those crimes as well right?
I see nothing of an exception there.
This bill sounds like it was written by a US Republican.
Yeah I could see US Republicans passing a bill like that.
After all that the world has been through in the last 2 years it's crazy how it keeps sliding more and more towards authoritarianism.
The UK is fast becoming a police state... are there no remedies through the courts, e.g., pronouncing them unconstitutional and against the bill of rights or something?
no written constitution, so no
Great coverage TLDR.
Your civic duty done well.
Spread the word UK. Tell your friends and family. Be succint. Dont let it dissolve into inconsequential arguments.
"Democracy" is past being threatened. It is in the process of being dismantled.
If you voted conservative then you voted for this.
Why state something will be linked below when it never is???
I thought this bill failed?! how is it still going though and its not bigger news! why are more people not up in arms about this?
Most people haven't got a clue what is going on.
The news about the conservative Christmas party is being used as a smoke screen to hide this
In the beginning of the video, I was thinking that I might actually be in favour strictly on the condition that they also provided a mechanism that was both effective, and accessible to ordinary every day people to be heard. Then as the video went on, the bill kept levelling up again and again to the degree of a comic book villain.
PCSO: what should we do inspector
Inspector: go an lay in the road
PCSO: are you sure you want me to lay down in the road sir
Inspector: that's suspicious, stop that man
Sir he’s doing nothing wrong
It's autocratic, dictatorial, horrifying.
If locking hands is considered illegal locking on, then hands are considered illegal under this bill.
And Labour's response is....? Would they repeal this if they got into power? They didn't repeal any of the Criminal Justice Act. I guess picketing a work place during a strike will also become illegal. What about speakers corner?
Labour’s response is to let the Tories do their thing and hope they do a bad enough job that Labour can get into power, because that’s their MO. They do nothing and pray the Tories screw up because they know anything Labour does is going to hurt them more than it does the Tories.
@@Bushflare I will be voting 'not Tory' but my problem with Labour is that they don't seem to roll back any Tory legislation whereas the Tories merrily trample over Labour's progressive gains. The pendulum swings left and right but there is a magnet pulling the Bob further to the right with each swing. It's a bit like the electorate is being subjected to a nice cop / nasty cop routine.
@@nathanaelsmith3553 Helloooooo, Cons have a majority so they can pass any law they want even if everyone and their mum that isn’t Con votes no. Doesn’t help that this bill won’t be reported in any mainline newspaper because they all Con lovers.
@@OldManBryan Good point.
Just one more comment : Electoral reform to get us PR like most of Europe is the only way for the electorate to claw back power and autonomy from Westminster. MPs need incentivising to work together in the interests of the electorate. The First Past The Post system polarises parties into mostly two camps and incentivises them to fight each other and tribalise the electorate through fear and negative emotion. Under this system, if there is any change of power the new ruling party has a vested interest in keeping things the same so nothing changes. The Clegg/Cameron coalition referendum on electoral reform was sabotaged by Cameron as it was turned into a referendum on the 'Alternative Vote' which few people understood or had heard of instead of Proportional Representation which is widely used elsewhere.
And Labour's position on electoral reform is....?
Are Labour trying to seize power for us or for themselves?
I will probably vote for them but I won't be happy about it.
When I look at the electoral menu all the options are either disgusting or the portions are too small to be satisfying or they are overpriced. It's enough to make someone want to do all their cooking at home.
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I'd be skeptical about PR if I were you, my dude. PR leads to a greater representation of the population but a dramatically decreased representation of the local areas and an even further decrease in accountability for the individual politicians because it's all party-based.
Moreover, remember how much junk happened during the Tories' minority government with the DUP? In PR the minor parties gain tremendous electoral power, disproportionately so.
We need a better electoral system but the solution is MORE local accountability, not less, and I'd argue for more local autonomy as well.
Not British, but this sounds seriously autocratic.
seriously based
The Tory part has always been an odd mix of conservative and autocratic, probably due to their roots in support for the monarchy. But yes, they are acting massively autocratic. The EU was the only balancing chip against the Tory's since there is no viable left or centre party to fight back
@@TheMajorpickle01 who cares? im not british, but this sounds perfect, a final solution to stupid people blocking the road
but, because humans think in dumb ways, we missed the simplest solution to this problem - continue driving
@@TheMajorpickle01 that's weird because I'm definitely left wing and I support the monarchy. What does that make me?
@@Jigachader reminder that insulate britain were encouraged and given media attention to drum up support for this bill, if you think this will be used on climate protestors i've got a bridge to sell you
Very good journalism from TLDR. Keep up the good work.
Wales and Scotland need to get away from the clutches of Westmonster (sic) as quickly as we possibly can.
I never thought I'd see the day when South Africa has stronger human and civil rights than the UK... I'm reconsidering my immigration (from SA to UK), even as a British Citizen
From the outside looking in, there's always been a "How dare you defy me" attitude in British governments but even more so in this current Tory government. Seems like they're just getting around to making that attitude into law.
It is absolutely insane that anyone would think it ok to get rid of the protestor's right to cause disruption. One of the most important things throughout history which has caused Britain's relative stability and prosperity is that people have not had to resort to violence to fight for their rights. If this gets passed and the government get violently overthrown and executed at some point like the French Revolution, it will be their own fault. And to anyone that supports this - know I will not have your back when the time comes that you face oppression or discrimination.
You don’t have a right to cause disruption. You engage in civil disobedience knowing you any be punished because you feel the message you have to say is of greater value than you avoiding punishment. It’s a badge of honour and a minor martyrdom in a sense. It only becomes a problem when the punishment is so light protesters sacrifice nothing for their cause or so heavy the protesters risk everything for their cause.
The best place for opposition between citizen and state is a careful peace broken only by reasonable conviction and civil disobedience.
@@Bushflare Incorrect. To protest is to cause disruption, and the act of protest is protected under Article 10 and Article 11 of the Human Rights Act, which (mostly) implements the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law. Of course there are limits to the disruption you can cause, and I would be far more in favour if it included things like "Obstructing an ambulance is illegal", but that is NOT what the bill is, it bans things like protests which are too loud, which is INSANE. It is a CLEAR violation of human rights.
I'm very glad indeed that me and mine left the country 17 years ago to live in the Republic of Ireland. England is a frightening place.
This is absurd, the government shouldn't be able to expand its power so easily, instead they must be clever and work within their limits. The government is supposed to work for us not the other way around!
Someone should go to prison for 51 weeks *and* pay a fine for writing such a bill....
Will probably be stricken down by the UKSC if passed and challenged.
'Stricken down'? I dont know how you think the Supreme court works in the UK, but Parliament is sovereign and this law being 'unconstitutional' means nothing. If the government has the votes to pass this, as is, it has the power to change the constitution so the supreme court cant in any meaningful way reverse it. Our system of government is a joke
This is what the tories want.....Dictatorship
Kier Starmer will vote for it.
“What if people are late to work?”
For most jobs it doesn’t matter at all if they’re late to work because of something out of their control, that can be worked around
Yes but those for which this isn't true are usually also the ones most essential. Think of doctors rushing in for an emergency operation, rescue vehicles, fire brigades being called into their station for an emergency etc.
"watch our other video about the bill itself; the link will be down below."
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This is a dangerous development in a bill which is already strife with hugely problematic implications. This is encouraging our legal system to move even further into encouraging inchoate crimes as seen in our terror offences acts