Kingsong S22 Introduction! The BEST EUC bar NONE!
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
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Thank you for a none influencer review. It is good that you have had experience on three (out of 5) other suspension wheels. As we all know there isn't a EUC manufactory that makes the perfect wheel. I also liked how you spoke about the goods about the other wheels. It is hard as a consumer to figure out what you want when everyone is saying that you need speed and torque and nothing else. As a first year rider this was a great review to watch. Thanks.
Thank you. I have bought and sold too many wheels at a loss based off others recommendations of what "I need" so I decided to make my own channel with honesty and reviews of what I see, like and dislike about the wheels but not so much "pressure" people into what wheel is "best" I still LOVE my S18's and will never sell them and from a 220lb rider that's saying a lot lol
Great straightforward review ✅. Appreciate it.
Thank you!
I picked up an S22, first time rider. Going to lower the pedals/suspension and move the pedals forward. The sheer weight of the S22 is what's throwing me off being 155lbs rider. Legs are all bruised up just trying to keep it upright with one leg LOL. Pretty excited for the ride once I get used to it :)
If you are a new rider you would experience these symptoms with any wheel =) but I'm glad you picked the s22 it's an amazing wheel =)
This was excellent- thank you!!
I am hoping to get mine from eWheels in next 3 weeks 🤞 - your videos help me prepare and enjoy the experience ahead of time - thx again!!
Thank you for your feedback and appreciation!
Freemotion still has a couple left in stock if you don't want to wait =) honestly ewheels and their litech batteries/bms/etc seems like a hit or miss on being worth the wait/price.
Thanks for the info man.
Good video mate!
A good informative vid. Looking forward to getting mine
Thank you!
More videos..you man are great at explaing stuff..thank you
Thank you =) I do my best to provide what I can!
Currently have an S18 that I love but have been looking for more range and a little more speed. Had a deposit on a Sherman Max but I appreciate suspension too much and switched to an S22. Thanks for the explanation, I feel my decision was the right one.
I'm glad I helped sway =) I appreciate you watching the channel, feemotion should have a couple left in stock if you wanted your hands on one now! To say I'm impressed with this wheel after today is an understatement I have gone currently 18mi and I'm still at 75% and that's avg riding speed over 20mph I've been doing 23-25
@@EUCWayOfLife I'm so glad you said this, I got the last one today from Freemotion!
@@bpm009 awesome! That is sweet I'm glad I could help =)
I want to set it as high as possible. The adjustability on the S22 is insane.
#stillwaitingformys22
Which batteries are you using, the Samsung 40T, or the original ones?
As for the practical nature of the bouncy shock. I would imagine it helps you go up and down curbs more easily. This is certainly an advantage over shocks that "smooth" the ride but lack the spring to get up and over big curbs safely.
Can't you get an inner tube with a 90 degree valve stem?
Oh and btw I would be carefully about adjusting the pedals and suspension, the casing material the screws go into is softer then the screws and there has been reports of people damaging the threads.
When I get mine back I would like to lower it maybe to the middle setting see how it rides, at the default that being the highest I had a really hard time in wind almost lost it at 67 kph.
As bouncy the ride is if psi is too high taking drops is like no other euc I have cleared stairs and soaked up the fall like a boss.
If you are the vid or post or saw the ones I saw about shavings coming out when you removed your screws this was not the case for me. Mine were right but came out just fine.
Would love to hear your thoughts on issues with the suspension sliders being open and exposed to dirt accumulation. Thanks
Will do, so far 15mi or so of dirt and dust there is no difference in the smoothneas of travel =) there is also a stl file where you can print tpu covers to help protect the open greased section
@@EUCWayOfLife not having a 3d printer - do you have one? - I would be happy to pay for those - thx
@@brian_gonzalez I do have quite a few printers and actually make my own EUC pads as well =) I need to find the file and print some tests before I'd be willing to accept money or orders for them
Very noice video! Cheers
@@EUCWayOfLife ready to order when you are - let me know please
Great! Super nice to have someone compare this wheel against the wheels you own, ride, and are that familiar with. The question I come away with is: the bounciness of the shock - is it possibly spring related? Like get a spring for heavier rider, or compress the spring w/ the top spring nut ring? I was happy to hear you're just a teeny bit taller and heavier than I, so a closely comparative reaction there. Too many reviewers are the weight of a fly, LOL. I would definitely like to follow your future impressions of this wheel, so I'll subscribe and hope to hear more. Thanks!
Thank you! Yes I actually ordered a whole new shock that came with a 650,550,450lb springs so I will be a doing a video of swapping it and how to swap the coil and reviewing the 650lb and 550lb. The springiness/bouncyness is definitely due to the 750lb coil, my hero has a 650lb and its like riding in a old Cadillac. So I think a 650lb or lighter is going to be needy for better road/soft tail riding for most riders.
Curious to see if you try different geometry settings (shock height) and any experiences how these affect the balance of the wheel. In some other peoples' videos we see the S22 weight tilted toward the rear, cos of the shock. How much suspension travel would you sacrifice to get the wheel geometry more balanced?
I don't think the shock and linkage is brought to make the wheel "back heavy" as people say, the hero and the master both have the same issue and the master suspension is nearly under the wheel. I road the wheel first 10mi or so in the stock center height position and raised it up to the highest and biggest difference if say is it made the pedals higher and the wheel feel more nimble, I don't think it impacted the feel of the shock or balance at all.
Found the spring lock was way loose on the S22 out of the box. After cranking it down as much as I could without damage or the correct tool, it did tighten up the springy feeling a bit. Can't figure out why it doesn't feel comfortable to ride just yet. Did you change the KPH to MPH in the app? It does have the option.
That goood! I purchased a new shock that comes with a 650,550 & 450lb spring that I'm going to test.
I did change to mph in the app but it did not change it on the s22's display tho. I mainly use my watch
Hey great video! Any issues you’ve noticed yet on this wheel? A lot of people are worried because of the new firmware, clicking, sliders… I personally haven’t seen any videos about any actual issues but how’s your wheels so far?
I posted the one short on my channel of the horrible sound one of my wheels was making but it was just some easy loose screws other than that I have had 0 issues with performance, build quality, noises, etc =) I was out in the rain by accident the other day as well lol
When it works. I've got two of them with failed controllers and a dead bat from one of them. KS can make it right for Alien Rides and eWheels or I never purchase another KS again. I'm commuting on my old MSX100V now and thanks to the exercise my need for suspension has diminished. I can wait for a Master.
I've had 0 issues with either s22 it is unfortunate to see those with issues including yourself and hopefully your issues will be resolved promptly.
I was forced to update one wheel out of the box, chose to update the other and have since deleted the app from my phone. To many firmware and bms issues and bricking I said why risk an accidental app connect, forced er on display and a broken wheel after an update so I deleted the app. Wheels can't connect to internet on their own so hopefully I don't run into some of these issues.
@@EUCWayOfLife Its a great whee if it works. But bricked is bricked. And yea firmware updates may brick yours too (good move, your wecome for having posted that). Now lets hear how you've got a 1000 miles on it. I got to 200 miles on the 1st wheel till it didn't charge. less than 10 on the 2nd. KS advice to cut wires and join them solved the charge problem but seems to create a hall sensor voltage issue making the wheel intermittantly have electronic-jaming sound over about 10mph. To me I'd rather ride my MTen3 than that POS. Maybe someday KS will hsip out the replacement parts but I even doubt that will fix it without a total redesign to the ground circuit. (20v diff from charger gnd to bat gnd, etc). The hardware design is fataly flawed. Keep yours app/firmware upgrade free - or I'd guess you's will brick too.
Finally a review of the production model; thanks. I've got a depo on it, but I'm going to wait. Waited this long. I'm curious, why two S18's and S22's?
Because 1 for my fiance and one for me =) I thought it unfair if I buy 2 different wheels and I or her favors one over the other so I just buy them in 2 with exception to the master and hero because she wasn't interested in those lol
@@EUCWayOfLife Gotcha. How lucky to have a woman who also rides.
My bucket list wheel for sure but going to patiently wait to see if the next gen gets more range. The S22 with 100 mile range I will buy 2 lol. Either 100 mile range or removable battery packs so I can just keep going lol.. Good video and thank you for your time.
This would be like the ex20s have you looked into this wheel?
How does s22 brake comparing with the Hero? Which hero c38 or c30 do you have?
I have to HT C38 and the hero is a narrower wheel and much more comfortable/easier to transition too. The stock shock on the hero is trash(supposedly new units have rebound adjustment) I swapped mine to a 650lb 190mm Keenso shock and love it. Power wise the hero is more than enough wheel even for someone my weight (220lb) if you don't have either wheel I would get the s22 for the price if you have a hero it's not really worth the upgrade. Headlight and tail light on the hero are garbage tho.
Would you buy ewheels version or not??? I don't want the high discharge battery pack, personally....
Ewheels is doing litech packs but I don't believe they are using molicel's they are using the 40t Samsung cells, if it's an additional wait time or cost I personally wouldn't do it.
I noticed that the second wheel you reviewed had the pedals on backwards. Did you change that or is it the way it came?
What do you mean 2nd wheel and pedals backwards?
He explains it in the video.
Nice video. Would you buy S22 over a master and hero?
I had the master and I would buy the s22 over it yes. I have the hero HT and I am currently selling it because I have falling in love with the s22, however the hero is a really good wheel and I would recommend either.
It's so bouncy off road I climb some mountains and do some trails the only way I could climb was to let the air out. Let me know what you come up with, I had 28 psi in the tire and bounced so bad i didnt make 30 feet and had to go back down up a shale rock hill that I climbed with s18 no issues.
The s18 also gave issues when climbing however you can lock the suspension out that helps grip surface.
Same hill I climbed like a champ at 18 psi on the s22 but then comprises my rim over the sharp shale rocks. I purchased this for offroading but it seems to bouncy, i do really like the stock tire.
I had to send to the techs to repair it was hammered with issues out of the box not sure when I get it back.
I think our best bet for our type of offroading is not tire pressure it is replacing the coil with a 650lb or less. A lot of people complained about the s20 coil being to stiff welp that is the same 750lb coil on the pre production as it is on the s22 production.
That being said I ordered a whole new shock that came with a 650lb, 550lb and 450lb to try and see if it makes the wheel better. I will report back once I install and try it.
@@EUCWayOfLife interesting, or perhaps the current spring needs time to break in. How about spring wrench size do you know what it is?
@@dirt.surfer can't get a spanner wrench in there I already tried HOWEVER you can hand lossen the spanner nut by turning the coil and I did this until it was loose and turned it about 2 times to keep the retainer in, of you put more preload on the coil you'd only get more bouncy because it would be stiffer.
@@EUCWayOfLife oh really this new shock you got has 3 different spring options? That sounds good yeah let me know because this bouncy behavior really hard to climb and single track.
If you could pick just one. S22 or Master? And why? Thanks
S22 but that is me. The master is a very power very smooth quiet wheel HOWEVER being at the same price the master is a very poorly thought out accessoryless lack of everything else. The s22 is very well built has so many things to custom tailor it to it's rider, better head and tail lights, more ergonomic, easier to work on, better waterproofing, easy adjustable pedal angle, and the list goes on. I'm not a "Kingsong" cult follower because I have a hero and love the hero but the master is basically just batteries, a motor, board, pedals and cheap suspension.
the v12 is for new riders were the v11 is the more season riders right
Which suspension wheel would you recommend for street riding?
Hero but if you are saying in general from any wheel not just new ones I would need to know more about the rider
@@EUCWayOfLife I’m 6”3 210 lbs. been riding for about 5 years. Currently riding the V11 and KS16x. I don’t do heavy off road and I also don’t push the speed to the upper limits. Thanks
@@knifesketch101 if you are upgrading I'd still say hero just because the shock is softer than that of the stock s22 but if you don't mind spending another $50+ on a new coil for the shock get the s22 =)
@@EUCWayOfLife Thanks!
S22.im waiting for silver 1
Hi Casey, very detailed and very nicely done! What is your gut feeling compared to the Hero, do you like the S22 more overall? Looking forward to a 20mph range test.
Gut feeling would be still be in the air. The comfort of the hero is better than the s22 however with all the things going for the s22 and the fact you can swap the suspension significantly easier the s22 might be the win for me!
@@EUCWayOfLife my biggest concern with it is possibly lack of torque/early cutouts, and of course the fire that was looming over a lot of people's decision.
@@mikeintampa250 the fire was only 1 wheel and a pre production model no reports have been made since and I even road a s20 on the firmware that has the issue and had to sign a waiver and personally had no concern. The early torque issue was resolved with firmware as well I have had no issues leaning on this wheel and it going from any speed =)
@@EUCWayOfLife excellent, that's awesome. It seems from the video you would choose the s22 over the Master hands down. But is it too close in specs to the Hero to make the move from the Hero?
@@mikeintampa250 from the headlight to the adjustable forward/backward pedal and the added power I would say it would be a good choice of upgrade however if you already own the hero and don't want to spend the money simply don't it's not a big enough gap to fill lol comparing to the master there is none unless you really want that added power and speed from the master. $3200 wheel to wheel the master is TOO basic and fragile for it's price.
Where did you order your S22’s?
Freemotion =)
Expoxy resin + velcro?
Idk what you mean?
@@EUCWayOfLife Using (what we Brits call) epoxy resin as an adhesive to attach the velcro to the foam seat - might work?
Oh gotcha yes that makes sense, the LLPT Velcro works well I didn't give mine long enough to cure
Stick the Go2 on a butter knife. It will function as a heatsink.
Smart! I dropped one of mine a few times and now it only records for exactly 3min 31sec and stops every time, quite frustrating...
@@EUCWayOfLife Make sure it is formated the right way. FAT32 NTFS 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
@@BunnyslippersEUC is this done via the computer? It and my other did have an update a week or so back but my other one works fine. I don't know if it started after the update or after dropped it a few times. I tried resetting and formatting it on the unit itself and sometimes I get 4+min after but after one recording it goes back to 3min31sec.
@@EUCWayOfLife Do it on the pc. A fix is on UA-cam. No fast format
So it comes to this... People should not buy the S22 until all current owners have new motors and slides...KS needs to right their wrongs...the current suspension can not do potholes, so what's good is it?!!
Go for s22 pro...
@@familytvbox5218 too late, ks screwed themselves, will never buy from them again...
That change port location is annoying
It is and the little covers aren't the easiest but downward facing and the rubber is better than being on top the wheel lol
@@EUCWayOfLife On got way wheels the charge port is hot also so there is a chance that it will short and cut out if it gets wet in the rain.
I don't think I can respect the option of anyone in those shoes 🤣
My flip flops?
Bro, don’t do reviews on suspension when you have zero ideas on the functional adjustments. Dampening is the action that slows or speeds up rebound and compression valving. Preload sets the suspension height so said adjustments out the travel in the proper area. You people that say your part and review items and don’t have a clue can determine if “new to the sport” people will buy or pass on a wheel. I’m tired of the misinformation on so many of these videos.
I know what they do hahaha I constantly have to tell people its a rebound adjustment on the master and s18 coil and not a dampening or "compression" adjustment.
But no continue to tell me that I am not right I am sure the viewers and EUC community will take your word over mine lol
Have a good one!
Hey great video! Any issues you’ve noticed yet on this wheel? A lot of people are worried because of the new firmware, clicking, sliders… I personally haven’t seen any videos about any actual issues but how’s your wheels so far?
Out of the box 1 of the 2 wheels has a weird grinding/whining noise and it ended up being loose screw somewhere. Other than that I have had 0 issues so far with either wheel and they may have replaced my hero for favorite wheel!
@@EUCWayOfLife that’s awesome to hear! Love a positive review as I wait for my Bird 🦅
Enjoy!
@@thefoss721 let me know what you think of the suspension when you get it!
@@EUCWayOfLife I definitely will, I’ll be adjusting it based mostly on jumps and bike trails, then secondly the road since it’s mostly smooth where I’m at
Enjoy!