Big Aikido Mistake! Stanley Pranin asks why we allow the attacker to seize the advantage
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A common practice in aikido is to allow oneself to be grabbed by an attacker, and then attempt to respond with a technique. This sets up the defender to be overcome in most situations because of the tactical advantage gained by the attacker who initiates. Aikido Journal's Stanley Pranin proposes a different strategy and gives his reasons why he believes there is a superior approach.
I miss my Sensei. He always said "You let Uke grab you for training purposes. In real life you would already be moving." I recall once when a friend and I were walking in a dark downtown area. I became aware of a pair of muggers who were attempting to box us in. Every time they moved, we moved. They never managed to close with us and we slipped away. That's Aikido too. Read your surroundings and don't let yourself get "grabbed".
A wise voice in the Aikido community. Wish I could have had the opportunity to train with him. Rest easy Pranin Sensei. Your legacy lives on!
Nice point explained, with nage accepting the attack in this altered way by opening the hand. But as nage moves out uke's grabbing hand to get ikkyo, he could still be punched in the face by the other hand or even an elbow because uke's body is turning just right to do that. A nice touch to avoid that would be to do tenshin movement and lead uke around for half a spin, lead down and up in the face. Nage is already moving in that direction, so the natural movement would be exactly tenshin.
an honest and humble teacher.
very interesting, subtle yet practical. This is what I feel Aikido is at it's essence.
True story told to me by an olmpic judoka. Steven Seagal (many years ago) got into a fight with 7 youngish thugs in a building in Japan. The fought carried on through the building to the main entrance where they were put on the ground one by one. Steven then walks back into the building to carry on. The techniques are basics and how you apply and create opportunities to use them is up to the individual. Before the boos start, I'm just sharing. Aikido works if you're creative enough and have the conviction to apply it. Same as with all martial arts if you learnt them well enough from a good teacher. I am an ungraded nobody.
What was the Olympic judoka name?
@@mrmushin1 Invent McFake
I used techniques that my teacher learned from Seagall Sensei against a football player who took a swing at me and they worked very well
Thanks a lot....I´ll think about it and apply it. Excelent analysis...something I´ve been thinking about for long.
Great demonstration of taking balance.
Fantastic observation! Really opens the mind up to new avenues. Thank you for sharing.
Wonderful lesson. Thank you.
Sensei, you have really pleasant energy. :)
It's always in the details!
Thank you sensei... Very useful techniques
Although, in practice sessions the opponent grabs you so that you can work together to understand the movements that people go through during the technique. When people get more advanced they wouldn't wait until the other person is balanced before they commence their movement
most informative. Thank you!
this is very interesting and useful !!!
this is merely pre-emptive ly changing the line (chushin). and there are a million ways to do that. no....a look uke to seize the advantage, and learn how to properly deal with the worst case scenerio. and in this case, it can actually be done very easily. furthermore, if I alter the line, my waza will most likely change as well. I'll admit the waza shown is soynd, but it's nothing special. atemi, atemi, atemi. then you have options. so much more to say, but I hope you get the point. I have my issues with Mr pranins take on aikido.
The art is AI KI DO
focusing on the stength of uke or nage is not using KI and therfore is just judo or ju jitsu
I was taught that the purpose when teaching akido was to develop KI awareness and extension... not just technique moves with out Ki there is no AIKIDO
it was important when practicing not to break your partners KI but to help him develop his abilities both in technique and in KI extension
this is the same idea from nishio sensei's technique
exactly! The difference to me is that nishio senseis kuzushi is way bigger and get the partner moving since an attack actually is a motion full with energy. If uke attacks as in this video, weight on their posterior foot its not really an attack at all. just an attempt so hold your arm with no intention.
Look at any of nishio senseis students (or nishio sensei himself)
and you will probably see an even more refined solution =)
Daniel Larsson
This exercise builds off the basic and is relatively static. It becomes much longer when doing the ki no nagare version.
The Kamidana it's in WRONG PLACE el Kamidana esta en un lugar incorrecto
i would like to comment on this .... About Uke losing his posture... I would argue that this only happens when uke grabs from "too high up " in his own body... if he grabs from his centre, he wouldn´t be moving that way...
In the dojo where I "grew up" we used to talk about loosing yourself in the grab. To grab in a way that enables Nage to unbalance uke with a slight movement like this would - in my opinion - cause problems ...
Stanley is forgetting that grabbing is a symbolic attack iin Aiki-do. No attacker will try to grab a wrist like that.
Also, when an attack is made - what superhuman have the opportunity to both move the back leg (and foot) at the same time as moving the upper body and both arms, during the same millisecond that the opponent strike?
Nishio Sensei positioned himself (and his students) like Stanley do, but with only twisting the front foot´s heel outwards. By moving your front foot´s heel towards the outside of the striking opponent, you will move away from the strike and get closer to your opponent at the same time, letting you strike back (atemi) and put the opponent out of balance. This is called "irimi" if I remember it correct.
Static technique is just that, when the attacker does have the unfair advantage. If the attacker or uke is resisting your movement off to the side it would make more sense to do a different technique right? Uke has to allow your movement off to the side in order for that technique to be relevant to the energy received, I dont see the necessity for changing Kihon training.
RIP Stanley
great stuff!!!!
Go and practice Tomiki or Shodokan for about a year.... Where there are lots of ways for true kuzushi and this is an example at the point of kuzushi in what we call the Koryu Dai Yon kata and also the tandoku undo exercise practised regularly in any T/S dojo.... Sorry Stan we are light years ahead of you... Cannot understand why it's taken you so long to discover this?... But then again Tomiki Shihan was considered a heretic by Kisshomaru Ueshiba and told that what he did was not aikido..... So Tomiki stuck to his guns and went his own way.... Sad but true...
Kisshomaru did also throw out Kohei and Saito was like a pariah. I think that modern Aikido has more to do with him than Morihei.
Would have been much better if someone else had become head of the Aikikai.
Very interesting indeed. However, the wrist grab is not supposed to simulate a real attack. It's a way of exploring techniques in a 'controlled' way. In this way, with some creative application, when you get into a real street situation, you can apply the technique. Sure - no-one is going to grab your wrist or perform a perfect 'yokemon uchi', but there will be a situation in a real conflict where a similar alignment of limbs will occur. THAT'S when you apply a technique. But it won't look ANYTHING like you see in the dojo.
Ok I have only been learning for 8 weeks. But I clicked pretty fast some of the stuff we were taught just wouldn't work in the real world when I got my friends to grab my wrist and the techniques wouldn't work. They work at training when Uke is cooperating and not resisting me.
Aikido isn't about "letting the opponent get the initiative". It's about what you do if it already happened. Like with every martial art, one shouldn't be dogmatic about it. One's closed-mindedness during training will only harm you, when the moment finally comes. One shouldn't restrict oneself and aqcuire as many useful techniques from different martial arts schools.
Like with many other oriental martial arts schools, the true beuaty of Aikido lies in the basic underlying principles, on which all techniques are built. One shouldn't be overly obsessed with the specific techniques themselves, and if you don't know the basics, then there's simply no point. If you know the basics of any martial art well enough, you don't even need to memorise every technique by heart. You could just improvise when it comes down to it in real life. Only the end result, your survival, matters.
Remember, people, martial arts *isn't* a competition between different styles. Martial arts is a competition between you and your opponent in a potentially lethal situation.
The music at the end is so ominous, btw, it's creeping me out.
SomethingScanning Good thing Aikido isn't real
***** the japanese police genuinely use aikido. Not *just* aikido, but nonetheless.
SomethingScanning They use the Yoshinkan system of Aikido.
Rod Lansangan Which is like putting your toy phaser on "kill" rather than "stun" in terms of difference it makes.
SomethingScanning "One's closed-mindedness during training will only harm you,"
Which is why we have MMA.
You make it look do easy. My sensei always tried to have me take advantage at the moment of contact, and actually in this period we are even working deeper on this topic. Unfortunately twisting or turning the wrist is not all you need...and I'm still struggling to figure out what i need to fix.
You take the tension out of your arms and sink down with your hips.
***** i read 3 times your post and still doesn't make sense. So if they punch you since you don't know when they attack you, you just let fist have contact with your face to be more real?
The idea of getting "ready" is a learning tool. Learning how to redirect or simply slightly turn your opponent to gain an advantage is not very easy. When you start aikido generally there is a more static grab, you learn how to deal with that situation. After that you go beyond that static grab and learn how to automatically rearrange the grab. All these had no application only to grabs, from there you can start applying what you learnt to anything, a push, a punch...
Sorry, I really miss your point in your comment.
Consider this grab is to the throat... Open your mind boys... What sensei is saying here makes perfect sense... This technique is solid on any straight ahead forward movement from the attacker. again thx sensei
It'd be interesting if one of the Gracies or Machado's learned Aikido where they already understand how things are supposed to work and feel, so they'd probably learn very fast. Then could make the techniques work without mistake.
Great content, but I couldn't finish because of the loud bell sounds.
I think people are egotistical and they don't realize that Anything can happen in real fight so we must train for common and uncommon attacks. Also an art is just an expression, its each person that trains has the ability to expose more of it according to their personity. Aikido is very effective...After you learn it! There are way too many "micro wave martial artist" there are no short cuts to making any real art be effective.
Grabbing an arm is very basic and real, on the wrist or mid forearms is very basic...also once somebody grabs there is always a plan to throw or hit...Aikido is great think of it like Basket Ball...does everybody play as good as Jordan? But we ALL have potential to be great in our own way. Wing Chun is great but everybody is not Sifu Yip Man.
I'm going to study Aiki forever, thank you for your insights.
it is not true to presume the person grabbing is at the advantage at all, in that attack the person has weakened their position... you have given nothing away and are solid... all martial artists learn, that in every attack, you expose yourself ... from an aikido point of view, isn't the idea of initiating the first contact counter to the principle of using the attack of your opponent against them.
This presentation was pretty clever, at first it looks like he is not understanding aikido and effectively teach 'anti aikido" ... but is the basic point, don;t forget to take the balance or your technique won;t work... how this piece will be received I'd say will be depending on experience, to an experienced person, it will probably seem to long for a basic point, a point that "should" be a given, but to a novice the point needs to be really taken on board, so this piece would be excellent for them.. and putting it in "is this an aikido error?" form, is very clever.
....4 years later.......
I think your first movement is just fine. Giving your uke a "real" atemi will definitely soften up the grip and focus. An uke that doesn't respect it, is a poor example for the rest of the video.
It's 2019.. traditional arts are falling off.. great teachers still teaching kihon waza. Aikido should adapt and evolve. I believe O' Sensei would be disappointed that everyone is still doing what he showed them 80yrs ago.
This is all well and good, but he mixed up with another movement and completly other technique... i always say, if you stuck in one side go in to the another, dont strugle, flow-adapt... but the first technique can be done acordingly... you must stand sideways and closed and aligned with your arm shoulder and body, and when you push to the side, you push with body, arm lose but hand tight and wrist is the key, like on the video but doing a slice in the oposite direction like the sword, step in, kick punch secure :)
This is a classic example where dojo training doesn't translate into defending against a trained martial artist or grappler specifically. If you turned in this manner, you would immediately have an arm drag and clinch put on you. You would have to be completely ahead in your coordination and speed in order to pull it off.
bmeyer2011 yes that is the secret of aikido... being ahead of...
You have to move before they grab you it throws them off balence then go through with the technique. Move at mi eye when they are commitedon the attack or grab
As a bouncer wrist locks work
There are 65,000,000,000 comments across you tube on various Aikido videos questioning it's usefulness and Aikido practitioners defending it. Having said that every martial art can be questioned, because none is perfect. I did Aikido for 12 years and know that it is more Art than martial now days. There is nothing wrong with that, as most martial arts morph into art over time. What frustrates me is when an Aikido instructor sells Aikido incorrectly. I also do BJJ (for about 9 years) and certainly know that it is "sold" 100% accurately, it is what it is - a very effective ground fighting style. Is it effective against multiple opponents? Questionable. But what I can say is grab the average person, they can come to our dojo (or any BJJ dojo), they can start stand up and the odds are truly massively stacked against them winning against a white belt in BJJ, even if they have done 10 years Aikido, Karate, TKD. How do I know this because BJJ schools always get other styles coming through. Recognise what your art is, be practical, understand it, and don't over sell it.
***** randori is un-scripted. it's not combat though.
Congratulations
You have taken your first step to Jeet Kune Do :)
Pranin Sensei, would you consider the idea that the tori move and unbalance the uke although he is grabbed very hard and that he need not place himself in a advantageous position to do so. I believe this is possible because I had tried to restrict a Shihan's movement in a morote technique but my best efforts were in vain.He just move in a most relaxed manner to upend all 200 lbs of me.
If I will be involved in a real aggression one day, I just hope to have enough “immune system" high cause Aikido, from my ignorance, is a defensive nerve that works well only when your mind and body trust one each other without thinking too much. So until then, dojo, dojo, dojo and dojo again. Cheers.
basics are not for practical application but to build movement into your practise this turning hand and a part tenkan is learnt at 3rd 2nd and first kue stages in our school, with no disrespect to sensei Stan the start of your film you are showing tension working against you, our teaching is to extends the hand without tension and pivot around uke's shoulder to achieve the taking of posture also depends on if uke is pulling or pushing if he is doing neither then no movement is required but very interesting analysis thank you
Aikido is more a philosophy, of applying techniques found in jujutsu, aikijutsu, hapkido, trankada, chin na, and many styles of wrestling and kung fu. The techniques are almost identical in some cases, but the ideology and reasons for training can be very different. Freestyle point sparring vs. continuous contact vs. full contact vs. k1 style vs. muay thai vs. kyuokushin vs. san shou , all different visions of striking arts. Different emphasis on different aspects of training and competition.
Without the competitive aspects of Brazilian Jiujitsu, how many people would be doing it? The non-competitive Japanese Jujutsu styles almost disappeared because every generation "needs " to prove itself. No unifying rules, no way to prove, high injury rate almost killed jujutsu in Japan, hence a style of jujutsu was born to fix this problem. JUDO minus dangerous techniques that couldn't be used in randori. The man that founded Aikido, in his youth killed people and caused great physical harm to others, his religious beliefs changed his outlook and he wanted a peaceful non-violent martial WAY. The people who practice this martial way, are not looking for a way to fight an external enemy. A physical manifestation of an internal struggle.
speaker is way out of focus.....shame....the camera operator has the Kanji in the background sharp...
No one grabs that second way outside of the dojo. Sorry, but it's true.
no..."grab me" implies "grab me in order to punch/stab me. it's all about intent. if I'm uke, and nage says "grab me"...I'm grabbing with the intent to follow with a strike. otherwise, yes please grab me. with both hands. I'm 8n no danger, because both hands are occupied!!!!
You wouldn't struggle if you stepped forward and dropped your weight. It would pull him forward and down. ???
Hm, the Sensei explains it well and (of course) is right. But isn't it pretty basic? When I started with Aikido about 30 years ago, that was how I learned it.
There is a thing I struggle with in martial arts - and that's becoming the bad guy. We are what we do. I know how it sounds but I also know what I say. I saw Aikido unique, and I've recently heard that it was an important issue for Morihei Ueshiba. The whole purpose of inventing something new was to make a way for non violent way to deal with violence.
To invent a way to deal with it WITHOUT BECOMING A BAD PERSON. Without ruining yourself as a human being,
I don't see it. I saw some demonstrations with explanations as this. I fail to see the non violent side of it. Getting to own others balance? Putting yourself in a position of command? Acting so the other will be initially in a stance of weakness? Somethings wrong here... its a fight. I don't see something here... and I suppose I will be told I hallucinate. - Because its not supposed to be here, because its martial arts. Where is what I miss? Who teaches it? How is it called?
This has nothing to do with this specific video. Just sick of missing the point...
***** Yes. Now consider that you cannot approach a person (that person with the knife) from a stance of power. You cannot be (choose to be, act as) bigger than him. Because that is violence essentially. And as far as I understood the idea of Aikido is non-violence. And maybe if we were talking about some other "occupation" that would not matter. But this (Aikido) is like the pinnacle of non-violence. So here these thoughts finally have place.
You cannot turn to violence (control is violence, owning others balance is violence, being the "owner" of the situation is violence). That's the whole idea. If you do that - you became the other guy.
Isn't the idea that the inner energy transforms the one who attacks you into something better? So instead of death you turn to life?
With all due respect, I believe you're failing to understanding what real violence is. Control allows both of you to walk away from the situation without injury. Violence means only one of you walks away.
Look up images of knife injuries, war crimes, domestic abuse, or just general violence and tell me whether you honestly believe that a person being restrained with Aikido rates anywhere near what you saw in the pictures.
intention
that's a half tai no tenkan in the beginning......should also work the other way around i guess :-)
finally a site where ignorant people are not bagging on Aikido- it's extremely effective
so true!
90°褉
I like Aikido but all the attacks are so unrealistic. I can't understand why Aikido people constantly train for attacks that will likely never happen. Take grabbing the wrist for example, who does that? A haymaker yes- it's a common opening attack. Also, they always train for an overhand knife attack. It's just not going to happen that way. It seems weird to train for situations that don't happen.
Would quite like to see how Sensei reacts to a boxer laying into him , or someone throwing a beer in his face and kicking him in the balls . No disrespect intended . I like Aikido .
ilikezappa Short of precognition, what would you want sensei (or any other human) to do? The best chance would be to hone your body to recover quickly from surprise attacks, and then engage the assailant as quick as possible.
Some cross training in striking arts would be useful , in case your attacker decides not to grab your wrist at five miles an hour .
ilikezappa
No instructor will teach you to grab the wrist or joints straight away, unless it's for demonstration purposes. Typically you are trained to observe and evade the trajectory of any given strike, use that knowledge to obtain a firm hold of the opponent's appendage, and then proceed to move to their joints through the use of fluid motions. Remember, Aikido is more to do with understanding your opponent's attacks rather than initiating your own, and to disable rather than to injure. It's also why Aikido sparring sessions end so quickly, as the ultimate end game is to disable the assailant with a single fluid motion with minimal effort. In that sense, there is no need to master the art of striking when practising Aikido.
No , but unless you practise a striking art , you will find it difficult to shut down a skilled kickboxer . As I said before I like Aikido . I did it for 12 years , and learn some useful stuff . Most martial arts have great stuff within them , and plenty of pointless practices. The one I spent thirty years training in , TKD is exactly the same . Regards ILZ ( 5th dan TKD 1st Dan Aikido)
I don't mean to be disrespectful or a keyboard know-it-all, but this is highly theoretical. I have never seen ANYONE attack in any manner resembling this. I understand that techniques are learned with an "ideal attack" and then improvised. But attacks are messy, uncoordinated, fast and violent. Should one not train in such a manner?
+The Silencious Every person has their own objectives, body type, physiology, outlook and temperament. So, what's cool for one person won't be for another. But to give you and idea where I'm coming from, I train in krav maga. It's 100% aggression all the time. Very different from aikido. Personally, I can't see aikido as practical but I don't know enough to say for sure. I do know that the body does not react well under stress and complex motor skills go out the window. This being the case, basic physiology would suggest aikido would not be useful if you are attacked by a motivated assailant.
That's ki hon... basic technique ... when you practice ju waza or randori you increase the strength of your attack to match your partner level...here the attack is strong from the start but unrealistic... that way nobody get hurt and you learn the angle and how to relax even when the grab is strong... unfortunately l have seen very few ju waza or randori in modern dojo... last one I went still did but it is difficult to maintain realistic attack when you're getting Older and afraid of injuries ... younger people have less and less interest in aikido and that makes me a bit sad... they all believe that mma crap (which I like to watch when athletes are as creative as lyoto machida or Connor mc gregor...but it is still a game... which is a good thing as vale Tudo was bloody ... I couldn't watch and look at me in the mirror...) which gives you a lot of bad reflexes in survival fight
Jim Carey?
I walked away from a mind-bending experience with Koichi Tohei in 1977, having witnessed the impossible. His last words to me were, "Do it your way, or no way" and he laughed.
It is so hard to see someone like Pranin speaking of some common things. All aikido people left like orphans after parents left and know struggling. They been exposed attacked, humiliated ,ridiculed and so. But marked my words I hope you are all going to live to see
it , that is going to be only martial arts in future. Grab for wrist, it did have only one intention to stop someone to use this hand. 300 years ago everyone has a sword under the belt. Ai hanmi katate dori uke dome is only one connection " awase" with attacker and there are thousands. They all have different application and so ju jutsu and aiki appeared as martial arts to deal with it. Do not thing that people 300 years ago were weak . At that time everything was designed to kill you and all these techniques are there because of it. My advice to all aikido people ....go back and look for knowledge in you roots ...aikijujutsu and you will find all answers and so you will not be ridiculed from low consciousness people.
Sorry but you are asking just the wrong questions. This form IS NOT the form you use in real combat. It's the form you use to learn and to develop under CONTROLLED circumstances. Because at this state of development you still cannot feel and anticipate so subtle like you can do after years of practice. Remember the way of development: square --> triangle --> circle. This is by the way what makes most people have a complete wrong picture about aikido. Most people think that this videos with controlled techniques and demonstrations are all the stuff that an aikidoka does in real combat. But it's NOT. It's only practicing and demonstrating the clean and visible form.
+Grah Pasulj how many Aikidoka's have been in "real combat" to know how one's attacker would behave, fall, etc? Would ones attacker simply lay down for the one arm pin like at 7:10 in the video? if not, how do you know how you would react to a foreign response to your waza?
well, you just know. It' impossible to explain. Some things you just cannot explain with words. You have to practice and to do them. Then and only then you know.
nowadays ppl around the world keep begging for PEACE, still there are a lot who want to train to FIGHT. that is sad
Duy Pham shut up hippy
+Duy Pham I live in a peaceful country . It is kept that way because we have warriors with guns who will defend it to the death .
no kuzushi, no aikido waza. period. kuzushi on contact, then maybe you have a combatatively sound waza. otherwise, perhaps atemi, or several, are in order? or perhaps some cross training, like boxing, for instance. several strong jabs, and I'm pretty sure the paradigm shifts. I love aikido. I have nidan in aikido and aikijujutsu, shodan in karate, and experience in judo, bjj, boxing, not to mention many years in koryu. under very well known and respected instructors. 36 years experience total. and no....I don't consider myself a true "expert" at anything. but Mr Pranin does. aikido can't exist, at least martially, in a vacuum. that I'm certain of. this is aikido 101 people, nothing overly profound here. again, no kuzushi, might want to have a hardwired backup.
apart from being gokyo.
He really loves to hear himself speaking...
there are some people's listing on the Dojo Genius...
Make ground not awase
no body grab wrist in real fight lol
It means you never seen a real fight. You would me amazed how many people would grab you by your hand, bigger guys will do it, they will underestimate you and catch your wrist to feel the ''control''.
Take the Balance.Looking on your performance provokes thinking of shoulder injury.Because of an Idiot training Partner.Thank You .Have a nice Day.
:-)
Nice peaceful art obviously not as effective as brazilian juijitsu.
If you Really wanna know the bullshit go check the mirror out kid...
If you Really wanna know the bullshit go check the mirror out kid...
If you Really wanna know the bullshit go check the mirror out kid...
+abcdef abcdef BJJ is great sport, but bad for self-defense.
Yes i suppose strangle,choke,arm bar etc is not effective self defence. I did martial arts for nearly 22 yrs then got strangled out by a white belt of brazilian juijitsu with 6 months of training behind him.One word humbling.
This never happens! Why should an attacker grab your wrist like that?
A Judoka or Wrestler would grab your body an throw the shit out of you and a boxer would punch you in the face
Why in the hell two martialists from different disciplines should fight? I personally expect to deal with a common scum armed with a knife or, even worst, a gun. That's more realistic.
A good wrestler will grab you wrist/forearm, drag your arm and open your back for a choke or worse a back suplex before you can say "Nobody grabs wrists!". A Judoka will also go for grabbing the wrist/forearm if there is no Gi for which to hold, i know this from experience. Throwing somebody isn't as easy as you presume, especially for a Judoka without a Gi to grab.
Yes, on paper/keyboard, everything is possible. Awareness and time isn't something that you can put into an experienced jar. Real question is: how many of us are able to think and train like real martialists every day? I bet very fews in the world (including the code) because our society sucks ass! Kind Regards...
PS another thing that I don't understand is: why people compare other disciplines with Aikido? There are, at least, two fundamental signs. Firstly, the comparison is usually between a competitive discipline and the non competitive (like all the martial arts at their origins that, for practical reasons we call traditional!) and this is soooo wrong since the beginning. Secondly, put in your mind, the tradition will never fail inside something that isn't a real discipline but a show or something aimed to win money or medals. Then, in conclusion, who attack (in real life, not in a show) is always the one that dangerously uncover him/herself when is in front af an expert in defensive technique. The defensive martialists, for example, don't care to use a knife but just focused on disarming. It is in the word "neutralize" the core of traditional martial arts. To understand Aikido, you need to accept the Shintoism rules where many others observe it. That's it. Please, stop to mix eastern with western culture.
Ive always loved Aikido but you have to love reality and TRUTH more, all the attacker has to do is let go, and what ifaI person doesn't attack like this dummy or robot? So unrealistic, no problem ... we do what we want to do, right? But when you brainwash a student into thinking they can defend themselves in a real situation with a criminal then that should also be criminal, the teachers own delusion is setting the innocent student up to fail, to lose their life even.
Calogero Fiore Agree expectations should be realistic. Also, you are right the nage has to commit to the attack or it won't work.
My sensei never said, "This will work on the street." But he used to go to bars to pick fights, so the other senseis talk about...
N Marbletoe lol. sounds cool.
Calogero Fiore That dojo was in hawaii. It was really laid back but at the same time kinda strict and traditional. Have you practiced aikido?
N Marbletoe lol. funny you should say Hawaii, was just watching Magnum Pi :) Oh just for a short period with David Ruben in London.
Calogero Fiore every time i drove around diamond head i'd get Magnum PI flashbacks. now they film Hawaii 5/0 in my neighborhood all the time, so I watch it like a dog waiting for a scrap to fall from the table, looking for my friends and shit.
hawaii was the first place outside japan where aikido was taught. sensei there were awesome, i miss it.
And to your original post, i totally agree frank discussions about real life are mandatory in training. One day we were discussing knife attacks and one guy showed the filipino way of holding, blade down, and asked sensei what to do for that. Answer, "Run."
The biggest mistake is taking aikido in the first place
Why is that?
+Joseph Le Please don't judge Aikido by this Sensei. His knowledge is second to none but his technical ability is generally panned by the wider Aikido community as a laughing stock.
Timotheus24
That doesn't pertain to this Joseph Le's comment!
I am not referring to the imposter of the video,if that's what you're calling him?
I am asking why he is saying not to take Aikido in the first place?
Joseph Le lol.. Aikido is a real martial art but 99% of the Yahoo!'s do it as a hobby and never really practice it against anyone really trained nor realistic situations.. thus they become worthless- iv seen aikido folks trained for 20yrs bashed into the ground by people who trained in MMA for just 3months
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lots of alkohol like for a master.write on a background
lol
I have vanquished every practitioner of aikido
Damn, I thought she was cold..
aikido - big mistake=)
This is such a phony demonstration/premise. He is taking a nit-picking, disingenuous approach to a basic Aikido 'projection'/possibility and supposedly then improving upon it. No, all he's done is simply apply another, extended 'projection'...which is exactly what Aikido is ALL about. The original move (having someone grab your wrist) is just a basic situational move from which to start one's responsive defense.
Aikido dojos all across the country have such wanna-be teachers who truly believe that they are 'improving' upon the basic (get that? BASIC!) moves of Aikido. I bet he also has a new and improved method of shaking salt out of a salt shaker... NOT AT ALL IMPRESSED!
zenmeister451 Then shut the fuck up and do a better video.Oh wait,you're better at criticizing from afar.
A. Scott,
Your response is indicative of just how little you understand the subject being discussed. How could I ever "do a better video" of someone who is demonstrating a pointless move? That'd be like trying to prove a negative. Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Besides, I AM entitled to an opinion.
If you don't like my opinion, then make a better video showing how incorrect you think I am. Oh wait, you're better at criticizing from afar...
Why are they dressed in drag?
Why don't you go there and ask them?
To the Internet? Actually I've on the Internet and asked but no one would answer. Guess they're having gay sex or something...
Big Aikido Mistake: thinking this nonsense works in a real fight.