Mojang Explains Their REAL Thoughts On Mob Vote Backlash
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I’ll be 100% honest. The idea of voting for mobs is great. But the main flaw with it was that the losing mobs never made it into the game. It should work like this: The winning mob gets added first, and then the 2nd mob gets added in a later update and then followed up with the 3rd one. This was basically the case with the biome vote, as although the mountains won, the swamp also got updated just in a later update. the mesa could potentially get updated in 1.22, idk.
They want the game to exist until at least 2109, they've got time 😉
@@outregisyeah but I doubt most players will still play minecraft by that time
Well we don't know but we and the current devs would most likely be dead so who knows@@kwisowofer9872
@@kwisowofer9872 I don't think you comprehend the gravity of Minecraft's prowess and success. People come back to the game all the time, I've been playing it on and off since 2010. It's only going to dissipate if the developers drop it at this point 🤷♂️
(Not so) Fun fact: The losers of the mob votes will never make it into the game since it's part of the rejected list of features on the Minecraft feedback site.
Go on ahead, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm suuure there hasn't been someone did so already. /s
i stopped caring for the mob vote, not because im upset with it but because it feels like it doesnt affect too much of the game, something im not fond of with newer updates is that a lot of them fail to have the features mix in with the base game and they just feel added on to the end and not actually implemented
Lazy updates and broken promises
yeah i agree. some features i do like though is stuff like armour trims which connects to old features (smithing tables and all structures) while also adding new creativity/variety to the game. i think they should aim to add features that can be built on in future updates, like how they are now adding new paintings and new copper blocks, next update they could maybe add new features to archaeology
like when’s the last time we’ve used any of the new mob vote mobs
@lordz19 the only ones I see as being used are the Allays (item sorting/storage) and the Sniffer (digging up flowers).
@@nemesissombriaAnd even then that's really only for long term players, people who just hop on, play for a few day-weeks and then dip likely don't even touch them
The problem with mob votes is backlog. We know they aren't trashing the ideas forever, but if the add 3 concepts every single year, ideas will inevitably need to be forgotten
if they weren't trashing the ideas we'd have atleast one by now why not the biter for caves and cliffs or the stronger blaze (forgot the name) for the nether update or the barnacle for the ocean update?
@@miniwhiffy3465 Iirc those ones were never promised to comeback unlike the more recent mob votes
@miniwhiffy3465 the great hunger and hovering inferno are from the update aquatic vote. That vote is confirmed to be completely trashed. But every one after can still be added. The frog was a loser that got added
@@AlexSmith-tp7xu the Frog is related to the biome vote not the mob vote.
And I don't get it, why are the first 3 losers trashed forever?
@@AlexSmith-tp7xu so we have no proof the others haven't been trashed seeingthe frog wasn't a mob vote but was a biome vote.
But what is Mojang's thoughts on splash potion of milk?
I have a forge mod of that lmao
Sus
What?
Also milk bottles.
woah
The torch flower should give off a light level of 15. LIKE A TORCH. you already have glowing plants... Add one that lights.
Time to torch flower spam so it at least looks pretty
@@aydencahoon6557 Indeed!
Brown mushrooms glow irl this thing doesnt
Nah just kidding, true
I think 15 is too much. Something milder would be really cool though.
“People want all 3 mobs” why on god’s green earth would they keep doing the mob vote and instead just added the mobs they see fit, there are better ways of engaging with the community than separating them
>why on god’s green earth would they keep doing the mob vote and instead just added the mobs they see fit
Microsoft.
>there are better ways of engaging with the community than separating them
Tell that to their boss
@@higueraft571 Microsoft has no relevance
Yo man be grateful, there's 2 wars going on right now, there are bigger problems in the world
@@LandonRyan-lq5llThere are far more wars going on in the world than what your media tells you, and that’s not even relevant to a f*cking video game.
2 faraway wars that majority of people only actually feel it through the higher taxes. Bring that war talk in the videos actually relevant about it and bleed your heart there.
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Toycat oversimplifying the hellish nightmare that is being constantly harassed by old people when you're a cashier.
"It doesn't scan? That must mean it's free [Insert Laugh Track Here]"
💀
@@pyerackI mean. If it doesn’t scan you might aswell give it to me for free tbh. (Mega rich corporation doesn’t want to give a tiny amount of money away)
@@purememes844
Yeah, but they also don’t want to lose profits, and I don’t want to lose my job. And it’s not an if they see but a when they see, because there is at least one camera aimed at every single register.
@@purememes844 Hope this is a joke and you aren't actually asking people to put their financial stability at risk for a stranger that will likely not even leave a tip for it.
Most workers have little to no loyalty to the mega corp, those of us who are able to see just how much money they make per day are especially bitter about it but we still have bills to pay.
Either way when things don't scan it isn't because it doesn't have a price it's because some schmuck at a higher department didn't bother to register the item into the system despite it being part of the inventory. There is a skew for it but either because it was missed or out of overwork it wasn't linked to the funny little bars on the item.
@@purememes844 it doesn't work that way. I don't blame you for thinking that way but the reality is that the the money would be taken away from that store specifically, not the company. Part of the profits goes to the company and the rest is left to the store itself for anything they could need like repairs, inventory, wages, etc. So you're mostly taking from the store, not the company.
The losing mobs should be added in the smaller updates and the one who wins added on the big update. Not adding the ones who loses is just a waste of ideas and can add so much more life into the game. And different play styles. I think it should be thought about and bring them into the game eventually. That’s one big ask that the fans have been asking for.
They meant to add the losing mobs at some point, but when they will get around doing that is the problem with them tbh
@@bradwhite5884 they are lying
@@frostbitetheannunakiiceind6574 Who's lying? Any proof of that?
@@bradwhite5884after so many mob votes the only thing I see they add from the losing side is mangrove swamp
Idk, maybe it’d be a good idea to do the mob vote but it’s reversed. You’d vote on the one mob that you don’t want in the game, so fewer ideas overall are left in the trash (and the bad ones they come up with every once and awhile don’t end up in the game). The ones that pass could be implemented over a couple updates when they fit, or maybe even the next updates could be designed around them.
Adding the losing mobs later would solve so many problems. Like seriously why do they make an idea for a mob, show it to us, make us like it, and then scrap it and never show it to us again?
they don't they claim they will add them later.
13:27 I was first introduced to Minecraft on Xbox360 and was hilariously sacred of the creeper at the time lol
My sister used to have a fear of the squids, because she thought they might eat her. She'll deny this now, but I remember it distinctly.
Ah yes, the *sacred* creeper. It IS a mascot for the game, after all.
All hail the sacred creeper 🙇♂️
Im still scared of the creeper
Same, I dont know why, but I thought squids were hostile and would avoid going into water.@@MattTOB618
I think these four videos are some of the best things Mojang has done recently.
Then right after they killed mcbe modding...
@@unoriginalname7925 It was alive to begin with? :V
@@unoriginalname7925 Mojang will probably find a better alternative to the previous mcbe modding
@@higueraft571 small? yes, but it did exist and there were large promising projects like amethyst, and the changes also damage many servers with custom server software. The changes don't even stop hacking like they're supposed to
@@unoriginalname7925 Mojang will probably find a better alternative to mcbe modding, as they are working on tools for making addons/mods easier on bedrock
One thing I wish for Mob Vote would be that previous options be available as well, that way it's not 'now or never' but 'which one should we do first'.
Minecraft is getting to "town of salem" levels of stupid
@@HauntakuTV you'll be okay
Then where is the risk? The voting is intense and gathers people around because it has a strong implication, it’s important to vote for what you really want.
It would be like a child getting all the candy they want, instead of the hard choice of picking one which builds character and choice and the sense of self-opinion.
That's what they are actually doing, it is the matter when will they add them in is the problem, so yeah
@@jahrn692 No offense because you're right that it does give more urgency, the main issue here is that the mob vote being a "now or never" system just causes controversy when 2 perfectly fine ideas practically get scrapped. Like I'd be less against the vote if fantastical 1-off mobs were the only votrs, but things like Crabs?? Why shouldnt crabs be in the game? Or penguins? They're just regular real-life creatures! These choices make no sense, they're regular animals and now they'll likely not get added (assuming we go by what Mojang's done so far, which is not add back any losers directly).
Point being, the vote divides, it's flawed, yes guaranteeing every vote takes away the tension but it'd take away any and all controversies revolving around it. It's a small price to pay if you ask me
To “fix” the mob vote, they should just make it a vote between 2 mobs instead of three. Having three mobs means the one that wins only needs a little over 34% of votes to beet the other two. Thats wild because you’re leaving more than 60 percent of the community pissed off because they voted for the other two. Having only 2 mobs to vote on solves this by making the winning mob be supported by the majority of the community. Instead of less than half.
Ikr they can clearly do it it’s the same thing they did to the mangrove and the mountains
Also miss opportunity for copper golems to shine in tricky trials
I just want horse drawn chariots. It would offer a similar function to the camel in that a person can ride in it. However you can also place chests instead for storage. The downside is it’s in reach of mobs who can attack the player or cause the connection to break. Which I think is a good trade off
THIS! It have been suggested so many times. Mods already exist, but i think it just would make sense. Especialy to bring horses back as they are quite useless still
s h u l k e r b o x e s
Mojang: _"Okay, which mob do you guys want?"_
Me: _"Make Minecarts competitive with other transportation!"_
Camman18's truth is THE truth.
They are good as a cheap alternative to blue ice in my personal experience. The rails are plentiful thanks to the Abandon Mineshaft structure.
(Beat drop) “SOMEBODY GOTTA TELL THE TRUTH AND SOMEBODY TOLD EM!!”
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There... on the left.
IT'S VILLAGER #5!!
I said your comment in the Villager News voice.
@@ireneparkin3360 Based.
o7
Villager #4! He's back from Fortnite!
100TH LIKE!!!
My issue with the mob vote is that the two losing mobs are probably not going to be developed at all. My idea which I think is genius is a mob vote revisit, which would run along side the regular mob vote and once a year, were every mob that didn't win a mob vote goes into a tournament that the community gets to vote on one of them so that the older mobs get a chance to actually be brought in and not just get scrapped. IK they MIGHT just bring in some of the mobs eventually but as it stands now, none of the mob vote losers have seen the light of day and kind of seems as possible as the red dragon coming to the game is. IK my idea isn't likely to happen but I think its neat. P.S. Justice for the Copper Golem
Or a vote vote, where you can vote for what you want the next vote to be about: new mobs, biome or mobs that lost so that community decides what minecraft needs the most.
It's entirely possible that the large blaze from the first mob vote will be added. It's model and functions are already coded into Minecraft Dungeons.
The “looking forward to seeing you in 85 years… if I’m still alive” lol 😂
They never mentioned Minecraft Story Mode.......(and yes IK its in a Did You Know? pop-up but that's not mentioning it)
Well it was completely seperate to Mojang, made by Telltale Games with permission to use the Minecraft IP. I don't know if they had much involvement.
Story Mode had no involvement with Mojang. Absolute most involvement it had if any was giving permission to create the game.
Note Microsoft could have also gave permission meaning Mojang might not of had any details into Story Mode.
I like how people noticed endermen saying "What's up?" sooner than noticing parrots say "Hello!"
Coming from someone who manages cashiers, you get that decline everywhere. Of course you'll get variance based on loads of factors but even a simple job you can do a lot worse after too many hours.
I think Akkechi’s idea is great, but I think we could also have redemption votes, like mob votes for loosing mobs.
They Should give us Mob votes with Past Mob Vote Mobs
Well, no point because they'll be added in the game eventually (except for 2017, but we need to keep asking and pestering them about that until they change their minds), just a matter of time really
@@bradwhite5884 You're not wrong 😈😈😈😈😈
@@bradwhite5884 "Eventually" Kids in 3024 will be so excited when the Moobloom finally gets added
I feel like a lot of people fail to understand that Minecraft is about pushing what it means to be a sandbox game. That’s why they’re sparing with what they want to add-in, but also why they have recently been putting in so much work into expanding what contentpacks and datapacks can do. If something isn’t in the game, you can probably add it in with mods, datapacks, etc. If one doesn’t exist for it yet, all the necessary resources are public. And even if you don’t want to make it yourself, there are ways to reach out to the rest of the community to make it happen.
As someone who likes to code Bedrock packs and share them, I could not want that more! Adding more features and possibilities to those is the BEST!
No one really fails to understand it’s just no one cares enough plus not everyone is able to get mods like half the playerbase
Bedrock : 😐😐😐
This line of reasoning would make sense, if even just the majority of vanilla survival oriented additions (so not counting the technical changes) as of late had a focus on sandboxy features.
The fact that this isn't the case even holds true for Tricky Trials, where yes, we do get the revolutionary Crafter, but other than that? The Trial Chambers seem pretty much hostile to farming conversions, the new mobs coming with them are just combat challenges with one non-combat, not particularly useful gimmick each (you can't make a breeze fire without a player around and bogged don't have a transform condition so cannot be replenished for mushroom farming like drowned can for copper), the wind charges are only a neat mobility tool with a secondary function that they are too rare to be used in automated contraptions for (would have made for some neat wireless redstone otherwise), the heavy core and breeze rod themselves are just deco and weapon components, none of the new copper blocks have any new functionality (grates letting liquid through and oxidizing doors making for locked doors have been obvious suggestions, but no) and let's not forget that the copper lamps initially had a 1 tick delay which would have been huge for anyone deep enough into redstone to understand what that means, but that was undone for what continue to be baffling reasons.
Yes, Minecraft is primarily a sandbox game. No, it isn't being run that way.
It feels more like a happy coincidence when a feature turns out to be made with more in mind than the very specific, initial way it was meant to be experienced and used. We don't get mobs like pigs that can be ridden with saddles and transform when struck by lightning anymore. We don't get tools like fishing rods, that can be repurposed in fun, creative ways anymore.
In fact, if you want to know how little Minecraft is directly targeted at what the players can do and have done with its open ended foundations, consider, during Minecraft's 15 year celebration, how much of a focus the builders, the redstoners, the speedrunners, the hardcore players, the pvpers, the storytellers and the coders got. All those parts of the community, who have made the game what it is today by constantly pushing it to its limits? They hardly got even a mention...
@@remor698 >but that was undone for what continue to be baffling reasons
Yeah, Bedrock Edition.
Like how Java's development slowed to a crawl after Bedrock's Update Sync with Java
The biggest issue I have with the mob vote, and something that the devs seemingly either fail to understand or simply dont address, is that the features the mobs provide are not equal. The mobs all provide massively different things in terms of gameplay that its not really fair to just lose out on two interesting game mechanics for one you might not care for. I dont think they should add all three, but i also dont think they should tease all 3. 3 mobs each update is a decent amount and would probably lead to feature overload, but losing out on features that you have wanted for a long time or care about feels really bad. So either the mobs need to not introduce new usefull features, or they need to reassess the entire mob-vote.
Not to mention a majority of the mobs added are incredibly rare. It feels like almost everything they add to the game is rare. Like, for example, when was the last time you saw a stray or a husk? Theyve been in the game for years but there are people who dont even know they exist, because they made them incredibly uncommon. There can be rare things in games, but it feels silly to devote time to developing something, complain about how long it takes to develop and how the community doesnt understand the dev process, and then hide that feature away so that only those that are really searching for it find it. Its silly.
Additionally, the mob vote is notorius for dividing the community. It happens every year, youtube, reddit, twitter, etc. Every minecraft community becomes divided 3 ways and it creates unnecessary drama. The devs obviously know the mob vote creates drama, the regularly respond to it. So why continue to make more drama every year when they could instead bring the community together. If they want community input there are much better ways to do it. Not to mention if the mob vote is really split, it can mean that up to 59% of players leave the vote unsatisfied. Its just not a good system that lets down more people than it excites.
gimme Penguin
As a huge Halo fan since the beginning who has been scarred by devs that don't care about what they're working on, it actually hurts to hear how much these devs care about their game. Like Agnes has made mistakes in misrepresenting ideas, but I've never doubted her passion for the game itself and hearing how much of a dream it was for her to work there was genuinely heartwarming. We need more of that around the industry.
Please bring back mobs like 2017 mob A, mob C, mob D, iceologer, moobloom, glare, copper golem, rascal, tuff golem, crab, penguin, badlands, desert and savanna
The other three mobs in the first Mabo are explicitly, stated to never be returning. It was even said during that same event. But every other vote since has the potential of having to losing choices, be added at some point as they are “put into the ideas library”
@@stargazer-elite I'm sure other 3 will come in the future
@@stargazer-elite Those first vote mobs are implemented in some way in the general MC universe -- Mob A/Barnacle's functionality became the magma block's bubble column feature in 1.13. Mob C/Great Hunger's functionality became the grindstone (with its enchantment removal feature) in 1.14. Mob D/Wildfire was added in MC Dungeons (2021, 2022). That's how the other losing mobs could also go, as the features in their Ideas Library have the potential to return as they see fit and may end up in some other form than a mob.
@@CrowUnknown Piglin Brute could also be seen as a reincarnation of Mob D. They are both Nether structure-exclusive mobs and are stronger variants of a basic enemy.
@@stargazer-elite The 2017 losing may never come into the game, but if Mojang change their minds or if we change their minds on them, maybe they may give in and actually add them in, but maybe have different or new features then their original concept had, so yeah
As a game designer, I can offer a little insight into the mob vote:
The mobs they present are basically one step outside the conceptualization phase. They're just ideas presented with a little concept art. That's the easy part of the design process. The hard part is actually implementing and testing the thing. The initial idea may prove impossible for a variety of reasons, or worse, you implement it and it only detracts from the gameplay experience. Now you need to figure out if it's worth experimenting with to make fun, or discarding it before you waste more time on it.
The mob vote mobs are ESPECIALLY hard to design because you're committing yourself to the idea before it's been tested. That's how you end up with the Phantom. Something that upon implementation proved only irritating, but couldn't be discarded. Thus they tried hiding it behind a sleep mechanic that made it less likely to show up, but that only introduced its own huge design problems.
This is why every mob since has been less impactful and less experimental; only including mechanics and ideas that are self-contained and easy to implement. When you're designing an entire update, you don't want some unknown variable that may or may not be included to mess everything else up.
I share a birthday with Minecraft, down to the day, the month, the year, so Minecraft has always been special to me.
The main issue is that the mobs often have nothing to do with the rest of the theme and just feels like a weird little side feature. This one was solid with the wolf rework, but stuff like the sniffer were pointless and if anything I’d prefer them not to be in the game
Why? It may be pointless for you, but there are a few million other players who use/like it.
Don't be extremely selfish.
>and if anything I’d prefer them not to be in the game
Eh, i'm fine with it
No idea why you want it to get deleted specifically
@@lookash3048 I'm not sure where the millions of players that actually use or like sniffers are, but Sniffers are pretty much worthless for how much of a pain it is to get them
@@lookash3048 Yeah aside from using them for useless plants (one of which doesnt even emit light), the Sniffer objectively doesnt have any real uses. It doesnt even drop any new food or crafting item like its fur.
It just wanders around and moans, it's literally one of the most 1 dimensional mob we've gotten recently, and this is coming from someone who likes the Sniffer and has like 3 wandering around my base (they're named Fe Fi and Fo btw).
And before it's brought up, yes the Panda falls under this description as well but the difference here is that it's both a real animal and fills in the bamboo forests. All biomes need at least 1 unique mob, and the Sniffer doesnt have any biome its adding to, that's why it feels more pointless than usual for many. It's just...there with little added benefit
@@malgai It’s a sandbox game. Its community is divided into a bunch of categories that are all interested in different aspects of the game. You can’t expect every feature to appeal to everyone.
Also the sniffer did at least fit the theme of the update it was in
the part when you started to talk about the Deep Dark update section. I was in one at that time. the skulks started to go off, scared the living heck out of me lol
I personally think, given enough time (probably decades), a lot of the loosing mobs will be added to the game, but the problem is, there will by then be more mobs from lost votes, so the main problem is that there is too many ideas to develop, mojang could spend the next two years developing all of the loosing mobs, but that would essentially mean that any new stuff would have to wait, and we would essentially have a cave update situation where it took 3 updates to add everything. So realistically, while it would be nice to add the chilliger and everything else that lost, it would be impractical.
Beuacracy from Microsoft is the only thing holding them back from adding in everything in a week
@@shinyrayquaza9 Microsoft barely has any involvement. This is a game with millions of lines of code that they need to make twice every update and make sure every line of code is usable years into the future. They could not add everything in a week because everything in this game is complex to work on.
@@shinyrayquaza9lmao how delusional can you be? They would never be able to do that, even before they were bought out.
@@shinyrayquaza9With how big java is now, they can't just add mobs in a week. They have to make sure it passes all the tests and bugfix anything and everything they see. Java and bedrock also need to be in sync with updates. If java has a new feature, then bedrock should have too. If bedrock has a new feature, then java should have too. They have to wait for each other, then both sides bugfix, then if they are both ready, they release it.
@@MrBrineplays_ Since when have java and bedrock been required to fully match each other? Bedrock has many features Java doesn't and vice versa. Bedrock literally just now is receiving hard core, despite how much less stable it is.
I think the actual problem is the amount of stuff being added in general. Like if we get 3 creatures a year it will feel bad, even if we slowly get all of the concepts, its just too slow, specially when modders get all concepts added within the week of their reveal, it just feels like they arent putting in that much work. Im not an expert but i really struggle to just accept that adding these mobs is so difficult, when i play other games that do so much more with their updates
I haven’t watched all of this so if somewhere magically it’s brought up my bad; but I want C418 back. It still rubs me wrong that they haven’t found some kind of deal to make with him back. And that feels inauthentic. Minecraft will always be everchanging and evolving but the music is what held it together.
>It still rubs me wrong that they haven’t found some kind of deal to make with him back.
They WONT find a deal, unless he caves.
They want the rights to his music, so they cant possibly get rugpulled in the future (which is the worst case scenario for everyone).
C418 wants his music, so Microsoft cant do Literally Anything with it.
Unless C418 caves, he will not be back period. And for once this is a situation in which the Company isnt wrong...
I’ll be 101 on Their 100 year anniversary
Yessir, a fellow 2008 birthday
I will be very dead.
im surprised and a bit ashamed, as someone whos played mc since i was like 8, (20, almost 21 now...) that i didnt know so many mojang employees were minecraft players and fans prior to working on the game! it really reassures you to know the people in charge of developing such a beloved and special game also have a genuine passion and care for keeping that game alive, good, and still true to its roots.... i really appreciate it..!
the thing about the mob vote is that while true that they do not have every mob ready when the vote starts. they do have pretty solid grasp on the concept. And in a game like minecraft, that is the time consuming part. I am confident, that if you give any of these devs a mob with a design, concept, and even partial sounds, then they could implement any of them in a day or two. And that is being generous.
I mean, If i have a concept and art and design ready for a minecraft mob, then I, a novice programmer and modder, can implement it in a day. Sure i might spend some more time polishing, but come on.
Copper golem :(
It depends. There is some level of QA and version compatibility that goes into it as well (bedrock means any feature they add has to work on all platforms and not just Java). But beyond that, it just depends on how much effort they want to put in it. Something like the Sniffer probably was that simple, but then the Armadillo (with it's multiple iterations, introduction of an entire new armor system and leading directly into wolf variants) took a lot more work.
Honestlt if all the mob vote mobs were added with that much polish and effort, then I'd understand why they only do one each update. But most of them aren't, and honestly shouldn't most the time anyway. Like a "Tuff Golem" shouldn't have as much work put in as the Armadillo got, it wouldn't make sense.
take it from a programmer who's left the novice stage some years ago; never underestimate how much time something actually takes, especially in complex projects. there's a big difference in just adding a mob as the only feature of the game and adding a mob into a large existing game.
sure, they have the ideas somewhat set, for example "the crab drops a claw that extends player reach", and have already put some thought into how and whether those ideas would work, picking them from a large pool of ideas they brainstormed before. but beyond "the claw extends reach" and some basic idea of how that would work in the game in a way that feels good (for example, not requiring the claw to be held in the main hand, thereby making the extra reach functionally useless), there's not much concept.
within a day or two, you can create a prototype and that's very valuable, it allows you to see how the idea might work and interact with the rest of the game, but the hard parts come after that. for one, you need to figure out the whole interaction part, and with a game like minecraft, that already has a lot of preexisting systems, that can be tricky. you need to consider how your new feature affects those systems, for example the extended reach affecting combat up to boss fights and the new trial chambers, aka other features you or your team are adding in the same update, and systems like mining or pvp balance. you'll need to do a lot of experimenting there, tweaking values or even the whole concept.
and then there's the technical testing, checking for bugs and performance issues, making sure the new feature doesn't break anything. and, speaking from experience, never underestimate bugs and how much time they can take to hunt down and deal with.
there's also the factor that in a professional environment, you'll be working with others and there are processes in place. for example, when you're done coding the feature, you don't just push it into the main game. instead, another developer checks your code before it gets pushed into a shared testing environment. and the big release only happens after a lot of testing and making sure all the new features work with each other and the existing game.
this all may sound scary, but you're gonna be fine. the good news is, you don't need to worry about most of this stuff for now. in a professional environment, you'd start out as a junior developer, tasked with the direct coding, and gain experience and more responsibilities over time. you having to deal with those questions comes with more experience and even then, you're not alone. for example, at mojang and many other game studios, there are whole teams of people with different skills dedicated to implementing new features. as a programmer, your job is the technical side, while the concept and the considerations of game systems fall to game designers.
the main difference between a novice programmer and an experienced programmer isn't how fast they write code or implement features. it's more about code quality, or rather, their skill at considering the bigger picture, the whole technical side of the product, which directly ties into code quality. just focus on writing code and learning and gaining experience, trying something a little more complex each time, and you'll get there.
@@squiddler7731 The Sniffer was a giant (literally) mob, in a game where giant mobs are always difficult to work on and have pathfinding for. And had all of the unique egg hatching, digging and it's animations. It was absolutely not simple to fully get in. This has been spoken about before, but not in too much detail unlike other mobs. No mob is simple. Sniffer was a well polished mob that had tons of effort put into it, a great base for any future use of it's mechanics to be expanded on. Despite only having 2 plants right now.
"Spend more time on polishing" is what exactly makes one mob take a month to be implemented. Sure it takes a week or even just days to make a prototype, but polishing is important too. And the mob needs to work on both java and bedrock, and the versions have to sync updates. Java devs could be finished with a mob in a week but bedrock devs need a month, so java devs wait for them.
I honestly loved this! The way they responded to the mob vote controversy was very empathetic and understanding. I'm really looking forward to the new updates, too! I feel kind of sad that a lot of folks don't seem to understand the massive workload that devs go through to implement ideas; I'm not a developer myself, but I hope that seeing this video, people will think about it more. I also hope that someday, the mob update "losers" will be added to the game, but I have faith that Mojang will do a great job in implementing them; I love that they're taking the time to put quality into the updates, instead of just quantity. I've been playing Minecraft since 2010 (along with my brother) and I've been enjoying the growth of Minecraft so much. No game or game community is perfect, but this was refreshing and inspiring as a long-time Minecraft fan. :D
I agree with everything said here. I've been playing since, I believe it was 1.2.?. I remember when emeralds were added, I know that.
I think that all mod vote candidates should be added, but not all at once. The vote won't be about who gets in, but rather who gets in _first._
And with the quality vs. quantity argument, yeah, I'd rather have fewer updates that are bigger, better, and more polished, instead of janky updated that are rushed and full of bugs.
I'd rather have 1 big, great, high quality update a year instead of 3 "meh" updates. And the devs need to rest too. They have lives. They have families. Not to mention, overloading yourself with work is really unhealthy physically, mentally, _and_ emotionally.
@@HelpICantThinkOfACleverName Absolutely agreed. ^^
I really hope it does stay around for many many years
I always respected these developers, as a developer myself, I know how development works, ever since I was a kid, I always wanted to make a game, and the Minecraft console legacy editions lets me do that, I love using custom Superflats because it helps me build my games, and I’m very happy with my work!🙂
the main flaw with the mob vote isn't that the mobs are abandoned, but the lack of effort and details on the mobs, ending in it being extremely misleading.
i believe that should be a higher priority, but the other thing is important too
Glow squid and phantoms are by far the biggest culprits of this
They aren't abandoned, just they are waiting in queue at this point tbh
Personally, I prefer when they just add the mobs they feel Iike adding, and not bothering with a mob vote. Like the Warden, or the Bee. I don't think the mob vote is necessary, but I imagine its Microsoft BS forcing Mojang's hand for money's sake.
Either the mob vote is just chosing who is getting introduced first or we vote between 3 mobs that have the same mechanic, just voting for a skin.
Mob vote will still be hype.
Add them all in, but make a statue for each one that is made out of gold silver or copper depending on their rank in the mob vote
or a cape
Most people completely underestimate the work that adding a mob takes. The three options are nothing more than concepts 😄 No, Mojang couldn't add all three or let us choose which one gets implemented first - that would just create a backlog of commitments for future updates. So if people don't like the mob vote, it may be the best for Mojang to completely cancel it, and make the decision for us behind closed doors 😄
That's basic rational choice theory - Mojang aims to make decisions that minimise the costs and maximise the benefits.
"We dont have them ready to go." Yeah duh, but the implementation of these features isnt as bad as they are making it out to be, like modders push out multiple times more than Mojang in half the time. Laziness isnt an excuse to not do what your entire playerbase is asking of you.
This isn't related at all, but I still wanted to ask, could you try terraria for a stream? I feel like your mentality and goals when it comes to gaming would be such a fun experience seeing you play
Try to ask him when he goes live, he reads chat quite often in streams
Bro said I love seeing people complain telling us to add all 3 mobs but we won't thats stupid I don't think anyone should defend that if modders can do it so easily why can't they do it
Pirate Software hit the nail on the head with his short about the Mojang mob vote. They make So much money and have So many employees and yet they say its too much work to do 3 mobs.
Actually having large teams is terrible for development
its impossible to keep unified creative vision and not bogged down in bureaucracy
changes that could be done over a lunch break now have to go through god knows how many people to happen
theres a really good act man video about this "why do AAA games suck" i think
Bedrock edition existing makes everything worse since now you have to update the same things in 2 different games
its just a terrible mess
@@Xephyra Not all AAA games suck, and it doesn't automatically follow that smaller teams = more developement. Fromsoft games are a great example because they aren't perfect, but it's hard to say they aren't a "unified vision" since even when they miss the mark there's still an identifiable vision that was just never quite fulfilled or not quite thought through.
If Mojang has an idea they want to implement to the game, they absolutely have the resources to do it, it's just whether or not the corporation above them wants to make "game development" a priority... which it absolutely is not and you can even see it in this video. They focus on the engagement and not the player frustration, because the engagement for them is the only thing the company is after, even if it's at the EXPENSE of player experience. Letting the players know that "this is a thing you could've experienced if you just engaged enough" is honestly such an anti consumer strategy
Stop being toxic
@@help6239 Won't someone think of the poor microsoft shareholders? Oh woe is them, their poor feelings will be hurt by us pointing out their blatant lack of care they put into the game WE care about
Don't blame the audience for their demand for change, it's that very thing that leads to bigger better products. We prop up games like Terraria and hold games like Minecraft accountable for good reason, calling accountability 'toxic' IS toxic, and worse for everyone
@stephenkrahling1634 I understand that sometimes change is needed but there are better ways to go about it rather than "Mojang lazy". And just because they are a Microsoft shareholder doesn't mean they don't have feelings, so I'm not really sure what point you are trying to make by saying that.
I hope mojang know we appreciate all they have done and that we will continue to support them in the future
Having a mob vote could be great, but the system for selection is flawed. Every time, two of the three gain substantial backing from a large majority of players. Near the start, everyone has already decided which mob they could live without. Why not inverse the current system, so that players vote against the mob that they think least fits the game, and the ones that are more liked or more useful can be added without creating a whole faction war every year or so.
My faith in the developers has been restored by these more candid interviews, I know that they care about this game as much as we do and I trust them to make it the best it can be.
Toycat what’s your favorite hobby besides Minecraft
Well he does have an entire second channel dedicated to geography.
maps
He has no hobby's besides a game made for children's
I personally like that the understand how huge of a social impact they can have on younger generations and choose to add some realistic features, even if I dont always aggree with all their decisions.
P.S Not even gonna' make a joke about Fireflies (I'm still salty 😂)
It's nice to see
Something to be said about the mobs added by the mob votes isn't just how barebones they are but also how much they seem distant from the game.
Take the sniffer and Armadillo for example, they only have one purpose but above that there aren't many advancements relating directly to them.
Advancements are something not a lot of players care yet it still is something all players know about because its part of minecraft, to make these mobs feel more at home, more challenge like advancements could be implemented.
How many advancements do cows have related to them?
@@sboy2044 Cows only have advancements shared with other mobs. However my point is that if a mob will only have one purpose they might as well have some challenge advancements related to them.
Cows are a source of milk, leather and beef as such are part of the core resources of Minecraft, its different from something like a glowsquid, a sniffer and an armadillo who offer one resource that can only be used for one purpose, the sniffer is a specially agregious one despite having an advancement, because Torch flowers while cool in concept do not yield dye or anything, they are just used to breed the sniffers and while that is a nice use, if they could be trade with villagers on rare cases it would feel like they have at least more than one use.
Agnes is the cutest person alive.
Chat, check this guy's hard drive 🙏🙏
“We want Minecraft to be the first 100 year franchise!”
Mickey Mouse:
XD maybe they mean videogame franchise
I am surprised that Mojang did not talk about the chat report feature backlash because it was a feature Mojang was forced on by Microsoft causing us to be very angry towards Mojang
I think everyone realized that it's not a big issue bc everyone either forgot about it, doesn't use it, or plays on a server that runs on a previous update (hypixel cough cough cough)
I don't think they can just go saying "Microsoft did this and that", they basically own them, and they value their jobs
Yeah because nowadays no one cares about it/forgot it exists
>because it was a feature Mojang was forced on by Microsoft
Actually, it was one developer within Mojang pushing it from what was said, NOT Microsoft.
Only a particularly persistent dev, but it wasnt Microsoft in this case.
@@higueraft571 that might be true as well since there was 1 dev that chose to make fun of the community by insulting the hashtag trend of save Minecraft that was Jappa
I do want to mention about the 100-year lifespan. A number of games are much older than minecraft and still going strong. For example World of Warcraft, Runescape, Call of Duty (to an extent), and even Dwarf Fortress which was an inspiration for Minecraft's creation.
DOOM too.
Speaking of Geographic diversity and the game running for a century, imma list down some possible ideas implement within the century mark.
For Biomes
Baobab groves, Marshlands Springs, Bioluminescent Caves, Geysers (Yellowstone Specific), Inactive Volcanoes, Chinese Pillars, Oasis, Palm Beaches, Giant Bird's Nest on cliffs, Deeper Underwater (Mariana trench type) Dinosaur Remnants trapped in Amber, White and Pink Sandbars, Carnivorous Jungles, Crystal Caves, Glacier Caves, Historical Caverns (similar to Lascaux cave), Fruit Orchard (Sparse forest for many fruit bearing trees), Birch Grove (Birch forest overhaul), Duck ponds, Waterfalls, THE ENTIRE HOLLOW EARTH!?,
That's it for now
Agreed, more biomes tbh, as well as more fauna mobs, plants, trees and such tbh, like maybe biomes like Willow Grove (with Willow trees), ricefields (Able to get rice in them and such), and so on, also for glowing caves, they can add glowing mushrooms to them (similar to regular mushrooms but they glow and different colours like blue and such), so there
@@bradwhite5884Would these glowing mushrooms perhaps be _Blue?_ And if used with certain items at a glass bottle you could theoretically make a *_Different_* Potion of Instant Health?
@@Json_1040 Maybe, I've picked blue so to look different from the others, and would look good when it glows, or if there's any colour you like that you can pick, feel free tbh
@@bradwhite5884 I honestly think it would be a cool functionality to allow the player to use a sort of hue system. By right clicking a glowing mushroom with any of the default dyes (Colors of the rainbow), you can add a set amount of *“Hue Offset”* (essentially the games way of checking what the hex color code is for whatever color it’ll decide to start displaying), you can use up to a Maximum of 64 of any the main dyes. (64x4=256, however RGB Hexadecimal Color Codes only go up to 255, so adding 64 allows us to reach that max, instead of being stuck at 252 if we allowed a max of 63.) Anyhow, the other limitation is that if you use to wish just purple dye, or any of the other complimentary colors, you would only be able to use 32, as it would count you adding double the amount of the normal *”Hue Offset”* to both Red&Blue. You can also use both black dye and white dye to affect the _Saturation_ of the lighting, letting you reach darker tones of color. Using a Gray Dye will reset the Mushroom back to its default *”Hue”* (Essentially: The game keeps the original Hexadecimal Color Code stored in the NBT Data, and when you use the Gray Dye it force sets the *“Hue Offset”* to what it was before any modifications. Using Light Gray Dye instead will reset your _Saturation_ to 0. _Saturation_ goes up or down by either +x (White Dye, max of +50), or -x (Black Dye, max of -50)
It sounds complex, *and it most certainly is,* however I think it would be a major mix up in how people, players and builders alike, view, use, and understand how ambience can make or break an experience. The master builders already know how to do that without this resource, but it could also help streamline the process for them.
P.S: I realized at the end of this, I didn’t even think of a way to change brightness. Probably a combination of Glowstone and something else.
Side note: I was making a joke reference to Terraria, and how the recipe for default regular Healing Potion requires some _”Blue Mushroom.”_
The main thing is Mojang should make a comeback by bringing back a mob and structure that didn't get added but that will just cause even more pressure choosing the old mob that didn't get added or still go with the newest mob for the update
kinda wish they'd mention something more about C418, but that's probably one thing Microsoft won't allow lol, biiig gray area I bet.
The problem with the mob vote is that there will always be people disappointed. For example, if they just added dog armour and armadillos, I don't imagine many people would be upset, everyone will either be neutral or like it. However, if they say you can have either dog armour or a tool for extra reach, there will definitely be people who prefer both options, and then when one inevitably loses and is shelved that means there will be people left regretting the decisions of the community.
I have been saying this for a while, but I think they should do a gauntlet/tournament for mob votes and add multiple voting time frames to get a chance for 1 vote
The mob voting system should be a rolling vote. Giving more chances to gain the mobs over time that way the mob that isnt needed or wanted is definitely dropped after a few options of gaining it
I really do hope they surprise us someday by bring back an old mob vote mob out of nowhere.
Instead of a mob vote, they could do a feature vote. Like which biome to work on or which qol would people like to see improved. I think it will do what they want.
It will however make them work on things they dont want, like the End.
The flame wars that would be erected out of this vote would burn the Internet Internet a few days LMFAO
@theshatteredseas4629 I mean, that's pretty much what's happening, people are already sharpening the pitchforks and preparing their torches
@@nemesissombria that’s not what’s happening. What’s currently happening is, they are offering 3 finished products. All of the past failed mobs are actually already in the files. The illiger, bloomshroom and copper golem are obtainable from the game files. Instead they could offer an area of the game as a vote rather than a finished feature. And the two losing features could be put into the following vote with a new feature.
We want everyone to get the cherry blossom cape
i feel terrible for people who didn't vote tbh
The what?
When I first encountered the warden probably one of the most scariest moments in my whole Minecraft career. And then I think I went on to have I think three nightmares about the warden. One of them took place in a beautiful well built castle underneath where the deep dark would be. It was terrifying
Actually TETRIS (the original) is over a hundred years old. It was a teaching tool for recognizing shapes and to teach reasoning skills.
It's only the modern TETRIS that is 40+ years old
thanks rainman
I do think the thing with parrots and cookies is important for them because parrots as a pet are a relatively common thing, so it's important that kids don't learn from minecraft something that could harm their pet. The same goes for frogs and fireflies, but I don't think they should have removed fireflies entirely despite that.
It's not like riding a pig because pigs in real life just will run away and not let you ride them, so it's not like feeding an animal something they'll accept despite the harm it would bring. Plus, you would hope kids would be supervised around something like a pig. Same goes for taming wolves.
Give us the iceologer!
Edit: I think I started a war in the comments
@Mozarella_king nobody’s crying, there’s nothing to be truly upset about. Is there perhaps some things happening in your life that cause you to act out this way? You don’t need to keep quiet, talk to a friend or a loved one, it might make you feel better
@Mozarella_kingI honestly voted for the Glowsquid, but not even I would do that. Change something about yourself, being like this on the internet is one of the lowest things anyone could achieve.
@Mozarella_kingIronic for someome with a baby pfp
@Mozarella_king LMAO get it? "womp womp," it's like that sound effect! so creative and original!
Anyway, yeah. Sucks that Dream took it from us.
My problem with the mobb vote only came this year and it has nothing to do with the three mobs. My problem was the trial chambers. The chambers would of been the perfect place to introduce the copper golem but because it was introduced in an old mob vote and lost it didn't stand a chance. And I'm sure this will be the case again in the future with other updates.
Genuinely my only regret with the way I interact with Minecraft is being too in the loop and sort of spoiling new features for myself. The warden is scary, but, had it been a surprise, it would have been petrifying, and that would have been amazing.
I always found the way Riot Games handled community additions far better. Instead of giving a list of nearly complete ideas and asking which one the fans wanted, they had a series of votes to figure out the details of one specific addition. They did this once with a skin in League of Legends, and once with a card in Legends of Runeterra. I think the perception would be a lot higher if the mob was slowly designed piece by piece instead of a questionnaire on what we don't want to see abandoned.
What biome should the mob be in? Is it friendly or an enemy? Is it based on a real animal or something fictional? etc. etc.
Toycat I voted for the blaze boss, but I was there with you for the first mob vote, and we deserve our phantom capes! ❤
The mob vote is like a political election.. if it's done right it'll work, but unfortunately I don't think it is atm (not that it isn't a good idea or won't work out in future if mojang actually start caring a bit more lol)
I Heard about this I guess it's a common misconception that is almost like they already have the mobs ready and they just have to choose which one. I never thought that, I thought they hadn't added that yet but it's just ideas that they have been floating
I think it's hilarious that Minecraft wants to be the first franchise to hit 100 years as if it's even possible for them to hit it before Pokémon does. 😂
So many franchises and even other video game developers already reached 100 years. Nintendo has been around long before they started developing video games.
I vehemently oppose the inclusion of a good handful of Mob Vote options
like, some of them are things I vote AGAINST.
like the Iceologer... literally everything from the first mob vote, (the Phantom is the least bad.) and powerful hostile mobs in general, the game doesn't have suitable combat mechanics for that, and they'd just worsen the game...
The mob vote controversy is still so silly to me. People want to be as informed as possible to make the "right vote", but it won't suddenly unite the community behind a single choice, and would probably lead to even greater voter regret. Time and resources are finite and ideas are infinite. They should focus on the best ideas for updates instead of adding all 3 concepts from what is essentially a publicity stunt. I find most features in a given update are better than the typical mob vote candidate anyways. The mob votes leading to shelved ideas is nothing special. It happens every single update. There's still good precedent that when new inspiration is struck, ideas can be un-shelved: crying obsidian, the lectern, the warden, the allay, archeology, the swamp update, and plenty more.
8:30 if they talked about the mobs in a conceptual sense it wouldnt piss people off so much to lose the others. Like "we were thinking about a mob that could do x for the player and we came up with an idea in the [Insert mob name here]. We want it to do X, Y, and Z. We think itll be found, most likely, in the X biome or the Y biome. We will flesh out more details if this mob concept gets chosen." (And i know thats horribly written but you get it.) They speak about the mobs as if they exist already, for sure.
The issue with Minecraft isn’t its developers but it’s direction. I think people like Jens holds back what Minecraft can be but that’s not his fault, the community he created outgrew him
I think mojang should add like a x2 mob vote every 3 updates,that would have the 3 new mobs vote and 4 old mobs vote ,would be very nice and would increase the hype very much
Mojang will likely never see this, but just for the infinitesimally small chance that they do. I really like the mob votes, and think that they work great as they do. Maybe throw in a "loser's second chance" vote to make people less toxic. I also think the Sniffer is the perfect mob vote mob.
honestly, I could go for some retro boats if they’re gonna keep going on mob votes. Maybe do a new one, and the most popular old ones as two separate votes.
i think best idea whould be mob vote is that add all of them but in seprate updates, like mob who won whould be in next update, 2nd for the one after and so on
They are adding them all in eventually like the frog got added, just the 2017 mobs won't be coming in anytime soon, unless we be vocal on that and try to convince them to add them in, so yeah
7:30 sooooo what's stopping you to add all 3 then, that doesn't make any sense to banish 2 of the others for life practically. I have no clue how many brain cells I lost on this, all 3 ready to go, all coded in, and polished. Why don't they do this, this is 1000% better, Add the mob that has the highest votes first, then add the other 2 periodically over the time of the update the first picked mob that won is in?????????
For me, growing up on Minecraft, back in either 2010 or 2011 (unfortunately I do not remember)
I obviously knew that not everything in Minecraft was real but it was a game and would be not as fun if that were the case.
Saying this I do like what they did with the parrot but more realistic stuff nowadays like the frog controversy never made much sense to me.
Like come on swimming with dolphins doesn’t improve your swimming now does it?
ok but like... what about the fireflies........
Not a good mob :V
What we saw during live was their literal first iteration, they were a feature they thought would be good, but didn't work out like many other features. They just handled saying they weren't coming poorly and didn't say the extent of the actual reasons. Just leaving it up to a crappy video.
@@higueraft571 they were immersive. that's the main value fireflies add. immersion is important for a video game
My favorite thing was when everyone was spamming END THE MOB VOTE and boycotting it in the Minecraft Live event like big babies
- then they missed out on the cool Pink Cape.
That was an awesome Minecraft Like A Boss move. Mad respect.
I feel like the mob vote would be way more effective if it was just Mojang asking the community what THEY want to see in the game and the top 3 ideas given from the public become the 3 for the mob vote. It will feel much more like the community coming together to truly add something to the game instead of the current mob vote which is Mojang saying they have 3 great ideas and none of them are from the community but we get to choose what 2 we have to lose instead of choosing the 1 from the community that could be added that never would have otherwise.
Some of the stuff players want to see in the game may be too fun and that'd scare them off
Im still in the camp that they should stop the mob vote entirely it just creates so much division in the communtity and like they said its like dangling neat featuresin front of us and not getting 2 of them.
So don’t vote then
@@britney3493 genuinely a brain dead response
@@ShirouYukihimeno your response is the brain dead one. They’re saying that we should boycott the mob vote you dingus
See, the mob vote would be great… if about 95% of voters all wanted the same thing.
They’ve structured the vote differently over the years, but if we supposed it was a single-round vote your favorite out of three, that’s up to 66% of the voters who didn’t get what they wanted.
But I’m gonna stop there before I start to rant 😅
"First 100 year franchise", has mojang heard of chess ?
Chess is a thousand year franchise
You think Chess is a franchise ?
Y E S
@@nw3473 Where's the Chess Merchandise/who owns it? :V
Also technically, that'd be Disney
The biggest issue that I see with the mob vote is that they often start to release some form of video with the mob in the game. This makes it appear as though the mob is in the game. On top of this, modders have been able to recreate and add the mob into the game in a matter of hours. The issue isn't that the mob vote makes us feel like we miss out, but rather it somewhat highlights the question on everyone's minds: "If some guy in his basement can add this to the game in a few hours, why can't Mojang add it over the course of months? What are they all doing if this is their full time job?"
I just wished minecraft did more minecraft things, I need mobs and wacky Items not useless animals and random rocks.
5:10 the only real speech in the game.
*Enderman has never seen such bullshit before*
Caves and cliffs added my fav animal axolotl I first saw the axolotl in a article called real life Pokémon a few weeks later I believe was when Minecraft announced it will be in their game I screamed in joy