This video said nothing but the church offers nothing. Which is true. Biblical marriage has the answers but secular legal marriage and the church are so far gone it’s survival at this point. A lot of m g t o w I hear say don’t trust women. Which is good and to avoid women all together because of the laws against women. Gods intent is as for us to have large families clans and nations. So we have all lost.
Even in the face of all of the evidence that is out there for everyone to plainly see a vast majority of people are still denying that these are problems even at the collapse of civilization. Your comment should have vastly more likes
Yep lol Oh well, millenials and onward get to suffer a lonely existence until the collapse. It is what it is. Someone had to be alive during a collapse, and it just so happens to be all of us.
The church not only offers men nothing, most pastors won't tackle wives in the church who are actively trying to take their husband's God ordained headship away from them. Pastors won't touch this. Because they won't, it hurts men in the home. Look at church websites: you'll find that most churches have a women's Bible study but nothing for the men. Churches are decorated for women.
He's not wrong. That's why Father's Day sermons will bash fathers while Mother's Day sermons are all flowery and praise. The Bible says that there is no love like a father's love. That needs to be taught on Father's Day.
When men turn to other men for their theological beliefs God the Father and his word are made in effectual. That is what has been going on for many many years. Our modern church is hypocrisy, extreme skepticism and extreme dogmatism
What we view as "masculine" has completely changed in recent years. I was recently speaking with one of my fellow church elders, (a really good dad) about a recent visit to our town by Kyle Rittenhouse, (of Kenosha shooting fame). My friend was telling me about how he was trying to explain how "wrong" and "unwise" Kyle was for being in Kenosha that fateful night. He mocked Kyle for being too "gung ho" because he was involved in the local PD's "Explorer" program, since he wanted to be a first responder someday. He basically admitted that while Kyle was found innocent of m-rder, he was still basically the "bad guy" because he went to where the trouble was. And then I heard Kyle's interview; how after he had finished his day job as a lifeguard, he had traveled the 15 minutes to Kenosha, (where his dad lives), was LEGALLY carrying a rifle, (the only kind of firearm he could have to defend himself), was handing out water and administering first aid, even to the protesters...had cleaned the graffiti off of an elementary school and kept watch outside a business that had asked for his help in "keeping an eye". Then when attacked by violent, repeat-offending felons and child rapists, a shooting occurred. And I started thinking about things...this kid would've been the epitome of young men from about 1955 back. Yes, it was "unwise" for him to go to Kenosha. But my question was; "where were all the men, the police, the christians and the churches to defend their communities???" Why was it left for a young man to do what grown MEN should have been doing? And this kind of "kid" was EXACTLY what responded to the calls in our revolution and during WWII. Now, he's even mocked by other Christian men....
What we view has changed. Masculinity itself has not. Kyle took on the same embodiment of values that World War II vets took on to fight. Kyle was dragged through the mud because he was willing to stand up. And I share the same question. Where were the Churches? Where were the Men? Where were the Patriots when Kyle needed their help most? Most of what goes on isn't because the wicked are overcoming. Its going on because the righteously called are refusing to respond.
Love and appreciate my father, but my entire family was basically the "happy wife, happy life" kind of people. I never got to see a woman get push back of any real caliber; everything revolved around my aunts, grandmother and mother. While it was a loving family overall, it still felt very strange throughout my teenage years as my awareness better developed. And now at 35, I fully understand, as the weak failure I allowed myself to become, that a man was meant to lead, and it was not natural for most of my family to let the women completely walk over them. It destroyed most of my cousins and I am still a virgin with no prospects for marriage despite wanting one. Yes, we are to blame for our own shortcomings, but I have to wonder how 15~ men all came to the same general problem from the same belief systems. We were raised to be feminine, and that is what we became. A bunch of feminine men who took too long to try and become more masculine, and now most of us get to die alone with the burden of needing to forgive out parents and family, and continue to love them despite not being equipped with any tools of real value to surviving the real world.
@@someone-ji2zbwomen often find men 40-50 to be the most attractive. You've got plenty of time. My family is the same, as I would assume most men's families are. All the guys walk on eggshells around the women, which absolutely destroys the entire family. Describing forgiveness as a burden we now have to bear is spot on. We will need to forgive. We shouldn't have had to do it, but we will have to, nonetheless.
@@browserboy1984lol stats show women typically prefer men at their own age, maybe a year or two older or younger. Age differences if there are any are typically no more than 5 years at most for married couples. This "Oh you'll be most attractive in your 40s and 50s" is misleading *at best*.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmencite two journals where you found these stats. I know you cannot paste links in YT comments, so just give me the names of the journals and articles, unless, of course, you are making this up.
Since the time I started paying attention to the sermons, and even now... Mothers day= The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Fathers Day= you need to do more and do it better because you are failing. I am sick of jumping through the hoops and nothing is ever good enough.
I call Mother's Day in the church "Worship Women Day." On that day, typically, not enough praise can be piled on women, including extolling the incredible virtues of single mothers. They are "heroes." Then come Father's Day, look out men, the hammer is coming down hard--it is time to "man up" or else. I have actually been told that if you extol fathers on Father's Day, it will hurt the feelings of many women in the congregation. This is termed "emotional blackmail."
Im glad I joined the Army at 17. Taught me how to endure in my suffering and push further than what I thought I was capable of. I've been a flawed broken man for a decade after but at least I carried that with me. Now faith in God and his word is my strength.
I am a husband and father. I am currently the only baptized one but i have been modeling Christ like behavior(not perfect though). so one area that is very visible to my family is praying at meals. it used to be just me but after I was consistent one day as i finished praying i looked up and my daughters were doing the same as me and praying. i cried for joy and pray i keep them going in the path of Jesus. God is good. now they argue about who is going to say amen! lol
Dude as a man grown up as a Christian and wanting to be this nice guy I was suppose to be failed me and made me bitter. But I got ahold of pick up artist and it changed my life. Yes it can be used bad but used correctly showed me how to be a man and the truth of women and how to treat them. And be the leader and love them still. Changed my life so much more for the better and gave me confidence the church didn’t know how to do because they caught up in that just be a servant it’s all your fault
Hard to teach others to "dwell with your wife with understanding" when you have no clue about, nor how to interact with, nor acknowledge the frailties of the woman.
I used to warn Christian men to avoid marriage, I never thought I d see the day I had to warn them against going to church, or at least 95% of churches
@@vinnievu1 problem is Christ isn't the center and men want to be and gets mad when they are not. All I hear is selfishness. Once again, why tell a man to stay away from something GOD has created?
@@MoonMoon-fx1op You can't hear yourself. Shame that Christ gave you ears, eyes, and a brain, and you can neither see, hear, or think. Ever consider you're the problem and want to destroy men by getting them to church to beat on them? It's what every narcissist/satanist does. Repent, watch the video again, read his comment again and see how you're standing on the wrong side of history. See how his comment is in theme with the video. See how you stand in theme with the problem. The best display of wisdom you can do is to be silent instead of opening your mouth for all the world to see what a fool you are. God's word is always right. Ps if you're such the always right Godly person you passively-aggressively claim to be, read Matthew 19. His comment is the same as what the Apostles gleaned from Christ. You on the other hand are the Isaiah 5:20 opposite. Are you leftist? Feminist? Misandrist?
Grew up in the church as a pastor’s kid for 30+ years (and served for most of that time). Explored multiple denominations, churches and conversations with leader ship. And it blows my mind how badly the church as a whole has failed men regarding these things. Love this video, maybe 40 years too late but at least people in the church are FINALLY starting to think about the possibility of maybe having this conversation and addressing these things.
At 26 years old I am acutely aware of the lack of biblically nuanced masculinity. I am fortunate to live in an area that leans more blue collar, which is to say men who have a measure of many of the traits godly men need, but even in this area I see a lack of initiative in regard to the things of God (i.e. evangelism, raising up other men per Titus 2, prayer, teaching the word, etc). Unfortunately my background within my family doesn't leave me with a sense of what it should look like, but it does (at the very least) provide a clear picture of what it doesn't need to look like. We need 'be strong and courageous; stand up and act like men' kind of men. We need men who don't outsource the biblical training of their kids to youth programs. We need men who are actively pursuing the Great Commission. We need men who stand up, with courage, and act like men as God defines it. I'm not working with a full deck of cards myself but by the scriptures and what good things I can observe in men around me I am trying to piece together a correct, accurate, full-orbed masculinity that initiates, charges forth even in abject terror, says what needs to be said when it needs to be, does what is necessary when it is, and reflects godly masculinity. A brother in the faith from Trinidad has shared very similar sentiments. And as an aspiring missionary I feel strongly that if we don't get our national "house" in order as Christians we will be in dire straits before God as we have an unprecedented and unfathomable influence on other cultures.
I can’t remember the name of the video but Kevin Samuels had a great video a while back about that subject. Something along the lines of why Man left the church or why men are leaving the church. It was a couple hour video
I'm living proof of that. The church I came to Christ in loved me. After coming to Christ, moving away (Navy), and going to church in my new area, it was like the Twilight Zone. Religion without Christ. Rules instead of themes. Women who pretended like they took the backseat but ran their mouths non-stop with man bashing, man hate, gossip, etc.... Churches would tell me to sit in a separate room with nursing mothers instead of the pew or chair I was in because it should be used only for couple.
Fuck, this hits hard. My preacher used to say this: every problem in the marriage is the man's fault. My buddy's dad was there. His wife had left him and their children for another man. It was a strange thing, as an 8 year old, to watch a grown man's heart break on the front pew in a Wednesday night Bible study. You're spot on about how we were supposed to fix our broken relationships though. Like Boxer in Animal Farm, to put our shoulders to the weight, saying only, I must work harder. Maybe we need preachers who actually have common sense, not ascended nerds from seminary. Maybe it's too late for Christianity.
I get preached to by the sibling all the time, "If there is something bothering you, speak up about it". The problem is, whenever it is spoken, it feels demonizing because these are the same people who will damn you for speaking up. So you just suffer in silence to the toxic positivity. She will never understand how much of a pawn she is to our mother--a control freak.
We do not live in an egalitarian society; we live in a matriarchy; Just visit your local family court. Women do not want to attend churches that emphasize men's authority in the home. Women will drag their husbands out of such churches; I saw this in the reformed Episcopalian church I attended in the mid to late nineties.
Correct, it takes two to Salsa...I learned this practically as a Salsa dancer in the dance world. If there are 2 leaders then there is no dance; if there are 2 followers then there is no dance. Only when there is one lead and one follow does dance occur. Biblically, women from the time of the Fall in Genesis 3, DON'T WANT to follow men since Satan's rebellious plan all along was to flip God's order so that women balk at masculine men who lead. Feminism has been fueling that rebellious nature in women for decades. The women need just as much Biblical correcting as the men.
Very true. Unfortunately the church has neglected men for far too long and I believe it has something to do with many churches’ desire to conform to the secular world in order to “fit in”.
@@GGg-sr3ph Yea, that is the only thing to be said. Feminism has been involved with most churches for decades now. Female leadership, feminine teaching styles from male pastors, there is almost nothing to learn from church, and in fact I would say that in many (perhaps most) cases you will learn more from the Bible in your own studies and research than you will from these churches in the current day in the US
This is dead on. I grew up fatherless. I absolutely needed this under my roof I grew up in. I made a promise that if I was ever blessed with fatherhood that I would be there for our kids. Well, its been 16 years of marriage and 2 kids. It's been a challenging experience but we all live under the same roof. One of the Pastor's of our Church started a mens bible study which I have been attending for about 4 years. It's sort of an outlet for discussion on mens challenges and although not perfect, it absolutely helped me with mens challenges, prayers and of course bible study.
It is popular to talk about MGTOW as though it is some abandonment of responsibility. My experience is that it is more a rejection of the exactly what this clip talks about - the expectation that men can be held responsible for things that they are given no ability to do, and are given no reward for trying It is a rejection of the idea that men are serfs, expected to labour without ceasing and without compensation. Even talking about “servant leadership” in this context is a lie, unless we recognise that the ultimate servant-leader - Christ - is also LORD. Christ has authority. Christ is honoured. It is not a one-way transaction in which we get the benefits of Servant-Leadership without giving obedience and reverence in its turn.
Christ said give up everything (your ego, your way, your desires, your lofty plans) and follow me. The followers loved him, were obedient and listened to their Lord and followed his example and submitted to his rebukes.
I heard someone say that when Jesus washed the feet of his disciples he was demonstrating the attitude of servanthood we should have. But, this speaker noted, when Peter balked at what Jesus was doing, Jesus the servant immediately took authority and rebuked Peter. Peter, recognizing that authority immediately repented. As husbands, fathers, bosses, citizens, we are to serve our wife, children, employees, neighbors but always be prepared to step into God's authority based upon our biblical role, scripture's command, our duty, and/or what wisdom or leadership of the Holy Spirit dictate.
The Apostle Paul was celibate and advised others to be as well when possible (1 Corinthians 7:8) so any preacher belittling the current trend towards celibacy has clearly not read their Bible.
This explains why after reading Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules For Life, I felt like it was the best book on sanctification I’d ever read. Even as he is not a believer and his worldview is largely evolutionary.
@@TheRealMonnie According to what or who? I was very much a listener of his content since 2017 until I started to switch to almost exclusively Christian sources when I really came into the motivation to actually believe and pursue a fellowship with Christ. I would love to see Peterson make that final step as he seemed to be getting increasingly closer to the truth.
@@TheRealMonnie Jordan Peterson became a Catholic.. apparently.. the facts of the matter is Jordan Peterson is a Jesuit snakewith an agenda, always was
All men need is the following verse: Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
But if you really looked for it, would you still care about the old things you wished for? So ironically one who really seeks the kingdom wouldn’t care about the things added. And the one who seeks things added would never have them added, because he would be “seeking” the kingdom for the wrong reason. The wrong reason being reward, be that material or self-image.
@@nathanreed2087 God is not a genie. I do not seek the kingdom of God to have my wishes fulfilled. I seek it, so that I can live right and bring about a heaven on earth. The things added are not material. Remember we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with spirits and wickedness in high places. When you seek the kingdom of God the things added unto you are spiritual.
It's a great start, but not an any way complete. Study to be approved; Farmer-Athlete-Soldier development; Love like Christ did for the Church; etc... All this to develop trust through consistency. Once again, Great starting verse.
I do not disagree with you, but the issue being discussed is how a man gets taught the principles behind such an idea. I love God, but how do I truly seek His kingdom above all else with no support from anyone what so ever and never being equipped with anything other than my own miserable failures? What does it mean to seek? How does one know if they are already seeking it or not? We are never promised an easy life, a life of luxury, a spouse, or anything for that matter. We are told that he will help us survive so that we can continue serving, but that obviously does not mean we will be kept alive for the sake of that; if we die we die. If we suffer as we serve, then we suffer as we serve. It isn't such an easy topic. One of the most important things we need to keep in mind, is how we can convey a selfless idea to children/teens in a way that promotes hope, rather than a dim outlook on their future. Unfortunately, what has happened in recent decades was the confusion of our youth and making everything seem dim; their minds were clouded and they were thrust into adulthood with little to no real guidance to help a believer weather the storm.
This verse is spoken in the context of not worrying about anything, so it probably applies more to the gender that has a propensity to worry, panic and be anxious. Just try and force some accountability onto today's women and you'll get a similar reaction to presenting a cross to a vampire. Accountability is their kryptonite.
Well spoken points Doug and Aaron - A lot of men, including myself, finally have something to say "Aha, that's precisely it!" to after watching this. I binged most of Man Rampant Season 1 early on but rehearing these snippets makes me realize just how on the pulse they are about this. As Aaron mentions in the video, men do tend to naturally struggle with the interpersonal stuff so identifying the exact feelings in the first place, that are associated with just what it is that unsettles us about the way of the church at the moment is draining and demoralizing. Men need tools, and good tools at that - We also can spot a good quality tool for a bad one a mile away, or at least, we find out quickly the hard way - to which it is no surprise the secular mens movements are far more agile and bold in trying new things and see what does/does not work for the men in their community, in real time. The church on the other hand, has no idea what to do with men of "raw material" and shoves them into servant leadership ministries centred around what the women want to do.
i am so grateful for the content Canon Press outs out! i am the oldest of 5 siblings, i definitely saw the effects of how the church failed to provide resources or tools for my 3 brothers. we grew up without a dad. and the opportunity the church had to teach us what biblical men should look like was grossly mishandled. but thank God for His grace and merch, He redeems all things through Christ. don’t lose heart men!
I don’t think you know what biblical men should look like. Some little girl makin faces in her camera doesn’t know how men should act. Women seriously need to stay in their lane.
God doesnt care about men, the Church is preaching exactly what God commands.. to be submissive and effeminate.. this lowers mens testosterone and turns them in low labido men who's wives be screwing their coworkers to get some satisfaction .. trust me.. soon you also will be screwing your coworkers because you've ground your husband down to dust in his bones .. its a biological imperative that women like masculine men
The expectation that fathers are to be held responsible without having authority in the house is difficult if not impossible to manage. Its like planning a date, then getting shot down and being blamed for not planning dates. It makes no sense.
How about it’s just boring. Are there any guys like me that see the beauty and need for the gospel but the routine of church service is painstakingly boring. I wish I could go to church... hear a meaningful sermon that teaches me about God and be on my way encouraged.
As a conservative French man living in Canada. I pity North Americans. I love my kids and my wife but authority and service come together. Challenging the wife’s rhetoric comes with admitting your wrongdoings and giving a vision. Men want peace without having goals. It never works. My father was in the military and I am from a family of 5 kids and I have 5 kids myself. Evening or morning devotion is a must. Worship and and cardboard game with limited screen time is part of our culture. Reading a lot and doing combat sports as well. I find North American fighting to get their kids out of the virtual world into the material world to help out… year they have no clues that they are into the material rat race world and they should have first gone into the spiritual world..
@@mysty0 assuming you know me isn't helping to you. I have seven brothers whom are all strong men raising their families with Christ at the head, as my father did and so as my husband is. I respect them and support them.
@@lisagill7968 all effeminate men as all Christian men are, as the Bible commands them to be and the Church enforces.. it would seem God hates masculinity as much as our modern Government.. I guess thats why God has empowered the feminists war on masculinity and empowered feminists to take over the church
Agreed. Unfortunately, the Church is not following God's word and has become useless. The important thing is that you have His word. John 14:15 "If you love me. follow my commandments"
I generally would get the vibe from the pulpit in their messages to men as "Even though you're doing everything right, you're still doing everything wrong!" How is this encouraging? I would listen to these messages and bear the weight of what I thought a Christian man should be. Where was this freedom trying to live in the Spirit of the Lord?
Yea I remember hearing that stuff as a teenager in the mid 2000s and wondering what the point of it all was if I would always be the problem despite my efforts. It had an impact on me, and while I would not recommend it, I am now a 35 year old, unmarried virgin who never really could quite handle the weight of everything being shoveled on me. To be fair, that could just mean I am a weak man and have failed completely on my own, but most of my memories that stick are the ones like that.
Anyone who thinks that “men struggle with interpersonal” relations, should read the Gospels with an eye to the number of times that Christ was angry - both with his opponents and his disciples. If a man is angry and impatient, you call that “inappropriate” and “poor personal skills”, yet Christ was NEVER inappropriate. These are very appropriate responses to sin and foolishness. The failure, here, is to recognise that men are not some form of broken women, and that the male style of communication is not somehow less..... but that as a society we have become so fragile and lily-livered that we can’t tell a woman that she is wrong, can’t tell foolish people that their feelings are “deceitful above all things and desperately wicked , or that their opinion is without value if it is not supported by evidence and logic.
The lack of worldly knowledge from church leaders I’ve interacted with is staggering. They can’t relate to modern men and aren’t educated in much other than scripture. For example, no body in the military seeks help from Chaplains - social workers, counsellors, psychologists (the secular world) is unfortunately who they trust more.
Some of the best church leaders I've both met and grown up under have not come out of theological nerd training. Like Jesus, they have worked side-by-side with real people with real problems in real jobs. The worst ones bailed on that kind of life, surrounded themselves with Churchianity and became Green Room/celebrity pastors that came out on the weekend to pontificate to the masses that they barely knew and got their underlings to deal with the "pastoring" work.
Knowledge of bible doctrine. Love: not romantic love, love based on your attributes of doctrinal knowledge. Can you love your wife as Christ loves tje church, in that Christ gave himself for the church, based on his own attribute of love. Can you lead and initiate; gen 3:16 says you are to rule over your wife. Will she submit to your authority; use her submission by being worth her respect. Do not allow her to wear mens clothing and she must wear a head covering in the assembly. Insist on longer hair and keep yours shortish. Work hard and keep her busy. Get chickens, way better than flowers, they pay for their 'keep
From church? Mostly servant leadership and to care for women. From secular areas? One of them says make muscles, make more money, be more social (and flirt), be steadfast and immovable in your convictions and actions.
@@vinnievu1 Which is funny, because while secular men are providing that info, it is also biblically taught that we should remain strong physically, develop charisma for the glory of God, be capable of providing for a family, and also be more steadfast in your convictions (that being of biblical principle). Yet churches wont really talk about those things as much. You'd think with the obesity problem that more sermons would bring up gluttony and how we should remain capable to defend our families and communities. But nope.
I went monk a decade ago after horrendous treatment by women starting with an abusive alcoholic mother... now my church is ordaining a woman "pastor" November 1st, and I will leave and then I will be trying to maintain my beliefs alone...
So what do we have to address this. Have been saying this since I was 18 I'm now 31! This is getting old. Has went on WAY TOO LONG with NO ONE addressing it!
This is completely correct. Men need practical instructions about how to actually do the good things they want to do. How can you chide a man for falling prey to pornography when you steadfastly refuse to tell him -how- to resist it? Teenage me needed a trick for making an attack of lust go away much more than an hour long diatribe on how bad lust is.
Here’s a good strategy: tell men that they have desires that are normal, and it’s only the outlet for them that is sinful. Teach them how to view and treat women honorable and teach them relationship skills so that they can find the right woman.
i wouldn't bash Peterson so quickly. as far as i understand he has always kept his eye on Scripture as a good resource for living a proper life. now more recently he has emotionaly talked about Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and how Jesus is the perfect role model for mankind. maybe we should pray for him as it appears that God/Jesus are working on his heart.
@@TheRealMonnie it's my understanding that his wife became a believer at some point; maybe before or during his health troubles, and now it is even more facsinating andnrealmfor him.
Yeah his lip service for his wife but never from his own heart - I would not defend a Luke warm mouthpiece like Peterson all the time - he has the same tragic problem like Camus exactly the same dramatic pride of his own mind.
John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 🙏🏾📖
Jesus also said: If you love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15. Apostle John writes: This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3. So as friends of Christ we are not buddies, but are still subordinate to Christ.
@@chickenheart896 Women control sex in marriage. One of the prime issues I’ve counseled with marriages is the fact that women once married decide that they dont need to put out anymore. That indeed does destroy a marriage
@@robertfishter2862 That’s part of it. The goal is to land the Gish (husband) and then many let themselves go because they are in “the cat birds seat” and no matter what happens to the marriage they hit the lotto in life. Meg provides if they stay married, and the state forces him to provide snd support her if they divorce
This is absolutely correct in regard to “tools”. The Church demands that men be responsible, but gives them little or no ability to affect outcomes. That is absolutely unjust. It is also counter to the God-given doctrine that the individual is responsible for their own actions, decisions and sins. What this clip does not appear to recognise is that the way that God has made men, and the things that we bring to the table are not honoured. That is not an “evolutionary” argument, but an argument based on the nature of creation. The unique needs and challenges that men face are not addressed. I see this a lot as a single, middle-aged man. There are specific ministries and messages for women, children, young adults and generic families, but I and those like me are bloody well invisible. Oh..... except when you want money from me.😡
This was a five minute clip and you are complaining that it doesn’t have an hours worth of content on it? They have so much content on this topic… And are you complaining about a free video on a free app costing money??
The key problem is the Churches are only preaching a part of the scriptures..which is 1/2 truth leading to massive confusion and discouragement. When was the last time you heard a pastor preach Ephesians 5:22-24 or 1 Corinthians 7:4-5???
@@WTHenry2023 If those verses get mentioned, they are followed by at least half a hour “explaining” that a “proper” husband won’t ask his wife to “submit” to anything she doesn’t like. Which isn’t submission at all.
I’m paraphrasing this from something else I saw on UA-cam regarding Masculinity and how its definition has changed. The new held belief about masculinity for it to be acknowledged or maybe respected/praised is the man who suffers the most but complains the least. If that’s what a man is expected to put up with I’ll pass thank you much.
There are plenty. Unfortunately they are slowly dying or labeled as cults. Apostolics, End time message and other denominations i cannot recall off top of my head. Modern- Christianity has largely done away with fundamental teachings and watered down some of the biblical standards.
i mean, when your method is to memorize the institutes of the christian religion and pretend that encompasses all of life while ignoring everything else... what could go wrong?
I watched a marriage seminar put on by a pastor who explicitly prescribed wives to withhold from their husbands strategically to get what they want from him because [men are slow and need to be guided by their women].
@@douglasmcnay644 Agreed. Some of the most useless and, ironically, unchristian advice on women and relationships comes from the church. It seems to me that this is a great need and opportunity for a Christian training in ‘Christian game’ if you’ll excuse the expression. If the Christian men are taught to be skilled and strong and understand women and relationships (or as some would say, if Christians were Alpha Chads) and consequently had exemplary relationships, that would be quite the ‘marketing draw’ to the church as well as removing the common reproach of the hypocrisy of the high divorce rate of Christians.
If we truly lived in an egalitarian society, then men would have power that is equal to the power that their wives yield in the home. Every single man in America would wield the same power that any woman would yield in the society, in the schools, in the workplace, and especially in court. Every single honest American citizen can tell you that is simply not the case-and that Ameri a is nowhere NEAR such an arrangement.
My mother died at age 31 of metastatic colon cancer in 1955… I was 5 weeks short of my 5th birthday, my brother was 3 and my sister 20 months… Imagine how I might profoundly resent and despise church on Mothers Day… Even now, at 74, I in no way celebrate that occasion…
Interesting point about bossing women around. A great response to the dilemma of feminism. Why does the pendulum have to swing all the way back? A polemical approach to this problem will only serve to exacerbate it in the end. The basic problem is not "men" or "women". Both need to read the word of God and strive to apply what it says. If we do not understand the reason why God wants us to behave in various ways, we then operate in confusion and and angst. Feminism is essentially cancerous. So is unchecked male dominance. We were made to work together.
"Men, you're the problem" has been at least the core subtext for at least 30 years, though, as well - not just the last few years. And I've been saying (it's the situation I've landed on, though I'm loathe to lay the blame on anyone but me) of my personal devotional and ministry flounderings that it turns out that, despite years connecting with various ministries, working in ministry, etc., having substantial gifts affirmed repeatedly, I'm nevertheless not equipped. So, I've landed on not pursuing ministry work any longer. I've imagined I'm not the only one leaving the vocation idea behind.
I don't understand your response: "having substantial gifts affirmed repeatedly" but "nevertheless not equipped". Who was affirming your gifts and why weren't they considered enough?
@@toomuchinformation I'm not sure the leaders of my church know the answer to that question. My elders affirm my gifts. My church licensed me years ago. I served as curriculum writer and teacher for years, years ago. I've never come under discipline-on the contrary, I've been asked to lead in some serious times. And, now I'm working through a theology grad program. But, no interest in me today. So, this may be a personal matter I need to get an answer to. But, I've never been able to make sense of it in my church in more recent years (which is, in part, why I have now left my church after 27 years since my comment/post). But, I gotta say, the vision of many churches is-individuals with recognized gifts may be called upon to lead, and we believe sin life should be considered in light of progress not perfection and the sufficiency of grace... but also we won't hire anyone who acknowledges they still have sins. Or something. Everyone in leadership across multiple churches and in ministries I follow are all "yeah, I USED to be this or that, I USED to struggle with this or that, but God has freed me long ago." Well, cool cool cool. But when asked, "So what's the sin you struggle with now?" - crickets - I mean, I'm fighting daily and failing more often than I'd ever like (it seems I'm "not equipped" to finally and completely conquer sin). Can I serve? Having present sin struggles is too much of a problem. Can ministers, though, all be as free from sin as churches' hiring policies suggest and the ministers themselves teach?
@@AndrewKendall71 Thank you for your in-depth comment. It sounds as if your particular situation goes beyond why men are no longer attracted to church and more about what kind of people are more likely to be accepted and the difficulty of admitting to CURRENT DIFFICULTIES. Those currently struggling with such may not apply it seems.
@@toomuchinformation Those current difficulties, in my opinion, are gospel difficulties and not merely behavioral. It seems to me (cynically) that the men who do choose it are a bit more of the CEO go-getter. The type-A leader who may or may not have the calling or qualifications, but who-driven and not taking no for an answer-pursue pastoral ministry, get the role, and establish the type and the culture of the type who "should" be pastor. That, combined with some of what I said-a question of whether they're as free from sin as seems to be required by a congregation-leads to fewer willing to step up. Kinda like, it takes a special kind of narcissist to become a politician in today's world, it takes a bold (and I don't mean spiritual or gospel boldness) personality to take it on. And this, instead of "here, let's ensure discipleship and ceremonial sending and pressing confession and oversight and togetherness instead of isolation are at play to uphold the man of God." I do appreciate you seeking clarity by asking me in the first place.
So happy to see you guys notice this problem, it's bothered me for YEARS! So much so that i'm in the process of creating a youtube channel to address some of the issues.
The modern church has capitulated to emotion instead of adhering to Gods word. It has traded the definition of Meek and switched it with Weak. Jesus drove out the money changers.... He didn't do it with hugs and kind words..... He whipped theiry're asses and trashed theiry're booths like a prize bull in an antique store....
@@finnfinn2381 I agree if you mean intolerant of sin. Lucky for us however, His patience is mercyiful. We are very tolerant of sin because by nature we love it.
This. It wasn't until I fell away from the Church that I actually started learning what Jesus actually said & meant. The cultural & historical context in the Bible must be known before you can really understand what's being conveyed in the text.
Men that lay down 100% to their wife are weak. In a relationship the give/take should be 50-50. And I see lots of men act like their wife should make all the decisions to keep them happy. It’s all a show. Some men even let their wife dress them in preppy clothing. It’s just sick. 🤢
After being away from church for a while the first church I checked out last Sunday made the joke from the pulpit “if men want to have a peaceful home just listen to your wives” I challenged them on that after service was over and after talking about the way society treats man they told me that “church is just downstream from society/culture” Why can’t Church be down stream from God? Downstream from the word? Nope! Church has to be down stream from society
Go onto the app and type in “Man Rampant.” It is the episode with Aaron Renn and it is called “The Lie of Servant Leadership.” You will have to scroll down a bit to find it.
These secular people understand our sin nature better then you do. people are so lost they cannot even navigate regular reality anymore. people need to at least be in reality before they can accept a higher power.
The Church may not equip you but the Holy Spirit gives the 9 Fruits of the Spirit including a supernatural peace inside your soul and Christ-like patience and self control and spiritual gifts and callings to do things while walking in His Power that you couldn’t do before.
Many of those men are unfortunately bitter after being burned. MGTOW isn't the right answer, but sometimes you can understand why they go that direction after hearing their stories.
@@firingallcylinders2949 The right answer would be to eliminate no-fault divorce, make joint custody the default & end alimony. However, in our gynocentric society that's highly unlikely.
@@Razaiel Yea men get absolutely hosed in divorces. I know dozens of men who got divorced and not a single one that I've talked to didn't get absolutely destroyed financially and lose the kids.
@@firingallcylinders2949 I'm not MGTOW since I'm married, but I take issue when people just dismiss them as merely embittered men without addressing the substance of their grievances.
@@Razaiel I'm not married but I'm not MGTOW, I'm somewhere in between. Marriage makes me a little scared but it's not completely off the table, who knows.
Seems like what is being said is “Hey the world is doing this thing, and many young men are pursuing it. We need to be doing that thing.” Huh... Love your wife as Christ loved the church, (He emptied Himself of all entitlement in order to be a servant), Wash her in the word (Maybe we need to know the word, what it means, and to speak it with love, seasoned salt, and have a purpose to what you are saying). What I am getting at is quit looking to the world for how we are to behave as men and look to Christ. Be meek (have power under restraint) Who cares what these other men are saying, if its foundation is not the truth then it will lead to death and destruction. Listen to your wife, hear what she is saying and guide her to the way of the truth. Serve her and she will know that you love her and she will listen to you. That is why we listen to God because He served us.
The problem is, most churches don't dare to teach the corresponding passage ("wives, obey your husbands...") because it's too 'misogynist' or whatever. It's just continual browbeating of men to do more, do better, be more, be better. I'm a woman and I notice this.
Besides unwavering faith in God, the Biblical superpower that men have that could reverse this mess is to adhere to the standard of chastity outside of marriage for themselves, but also insist upon chastity for the women they marry. Young men must read the Bible several times in their youth to see what is actually said in it and have faith in it's wisdom, especially surrounding warnings against porneia and Jezebel. I argue this is the only way Western men can correct the cultural shift into chaos we are now witnessing. The good news is that this is within the power of each and every young man to do for themselves and for their society.
This is all because churches have become Seeker Sensitive- and the only “seeker” that matters today is the modern wife. AKA, the modern day head of the family because men have been whipped into the corner.
Go onto the app and type in “Man Rampant.” It is the episode with Aaron Renn and it is called “The Lie of Servant Leadership.” You will have to scroll down a bit to find it.
Anyone know the book and author he was referring to saying "men, you're the problem and you need to be a servant leader"? I know a lot of christian authors these days teach this but I was wondering if anyone knew this instance. Thanks!
Ted Cortez Bingo, virtually every Christian book or piece of Christian advice is this. It's no surprise that most divorces are instigated by women, despite them having more freedoms now than ever
We've created a system that financially incentivizes a women to break the covenant she made and it comes with social approval from the culture and now the church.
Haven’t really seen Rollo‘s videos but have been catching “better bachelors”/jokers videos. I spent several years trying to talk to church leader ship about MGTOW and all of the testimonies I was finding from Christian men leaving the Church. All of the warnings where ignored
Also was warning the youth leaders about everything going on and they dismissed everything I had to say on the subject until one day they had a breakout session where the high school aged men only group started talking about everything I had previously warned the youth leaders about. Youth leaders were no longer hearing it from me but straight from the young man that they were teaching…
Unlikely. Would have to be completely new churches, but I don't see that happening in our lifetimes in the US at this point. I am afraid many christians will be dying alone in greater numbers than ever before (at least in recorded history), and it is a sad thought.
Insightful, men always expected to be 'servent leaders', but not empowered by culture or church. Sooo...? Men grasping, struggling with despair, guilt, and anger.
i think most decent reasonable people really appreciate when someone tells it like it is - shoots straight with them. so i don't see why Doug has a problem with Jordon, unless Doug wants to be the only gunslinger in town?
Do you guys boss your wives around? Like how you mention in the opening of the video. Or do you believe what you say later is the method for leadership?
I used to attend a men’s group. We were going through the 33 series, I came in as the section on marriage started. It seemed like the man was supposed to just suck it up, adopt all responsibility and fix problems, regardless of who’s wrong. It seemed real one sided. The guys that lead the group hadn’t really caught up with modern times; women earning more, divorce laws favoring women, etc. I stopped going to the group, it seemed like they wanted me to be a slave and just fix things for ppl without expecting things from them. No thanks
I notice widowers are “pushed” out via cold shoulder, widows and such pretty much run everything. I’m taking the hint and looking elsewhere to serve Christ, somehow. 🧐
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This video said nothing but the church offers nothing. Which is true. Biblical marriage has the answers but secular legal marriage and the church are so far gone it’s survival at this point. A lot of m g t o w I hear say don’t trust women. Which is good and to avoid women all together because of the laws against women.
Gods intent is as for us to have large families clans and nations. So we have all lost.
it's great that we waited until the collapse of civilization to acknowledge that these problems exist.
Even in the face of all of the evidence that is out there for everyone to plainly see a vast majority of people are still denying that these are problems even at the collapse of civilization.
Your comment should have vastly more likes
Correct. The Christian men would have put a stop to it all the way back at Seneca Falls.
Look it up. There were some churchmen who tried.
Good name. Reading the LLX has been amazing and revealing.
Yep lol
Oh well, millenials and onward get to suffer a lonely existence until the collapse. It is what it is. Someone had to be alive during a collapse, and it just so happens to be all of us.
right 😆
The church not only offers men nothing, most pastors won't tackle wives in the church who are actively trying to take their husband's God ordained headship away from them. Pastors won't touch this. Because they won't, it hurts men in the home. Look at church websites: you'll find that most churches have a women's Bible study but nothing for the men. Churches are decorated for women.
Yep ive been noticing it for some time
He's not wrong. That's why Father's Day sermons will bash fathers while Mother's Day sermons are all flowery and praise. The Bible says that there is no love like a father's love. That needs to be taught on Father's Day.
Exactly!
When men turn to other men for their theological beliefs God the Father and his word are made in effectual. That is what has been going on for many many years. Our modern church is hypocrisy, extreme skepticism and extreme dogmatism
Amen 💯
Feminism has crept into the church incredulously. Sadly many pulpits will cower to the angry misandrist mob in a heartbeat should they revolt
Where In the bible does it say that? Having trouble finding it.
What we view as "masculine" has completely changed in recent years. I was recently speaking with one of my fellow church elders, (a really good dad) about a recent visit to our town by Kyle Rittenhouse, (of Kenosha shooting fame). My friend was telling me about how he was trying to explain how "wrong" and "unwise" Kyle was for being in Kenosha that fateful night. He mocked Kyle for being too "gung ho" because he was involved in the local PD's "Explorer" program, since he wanted to be a first responder someday. He basically admitted that while Kyle was found innocent of m-rder, he was still basically the "bad guy" because he went to where the trouble was. And then I heard Kyle's interview; how after he had finished his day job as a lifeguard, he had traveled the 15 minutes to Kenosha, (where his dad lives), was LEGALLY carrying a rifle, (the only kind of firearm he could have to defend himself), was handing out water and administering first aid, even to the protesters...had cleaned the graffiti off of an elementary school and kept watch outside a business that had asked for his help in "keeping an eye". Then when attacked by violent, repeat-offending felons and child rapists, a shooting occurred. And I started thinking about things...this kid would've been the epitome of young men from about 1955 back. Yes, it was "unwise" for him to go to Kenosha. But my question was; "where were all the men, the police, the christians and the churches to defend their communities???" Why was it left for a young man to do what grown MEN should have been doing? And this kind of "kid" was EXACTLY what responded to the calls in our revolution and during WWII. Now, he's even mocked by other Christian men....
What we view has changed. Masculinity itself has not.
Kyle took on the same embodiment of values that World War II vets took on to fight.
Kyle was dragged through the mud because he was willing to stand up.
And I share the same question.
Where were the Churches?
Where were the Men?
Where were the Patriots when Kyle needed their help most?
Most of what goes on isn't because the wicked are overcoming.
Its going on because the righteously called are refusing to respond.
This is why I say Christians may save American but the modern Church never will. It's also why I converted to orthodox Christianity.
As a 27 year old dude grew up without a father this is dead on
As a 28 year old with a father this is still dead on 👍🏽
Love and appreciate my father, but my entire family was basically the "happy wife, happy life" kind of people. I never got to see a woman get push back of any real caliber; everything revolved around my aunts, grandmother and mother. While it was a loving family overall, it still felt very strange throughout my teenage years as my awareness better developed.
And now at 35, I fully understand, as the weak failure I allowed myself to become, that a man was meant to lead, and it was not natural for most of my family to let the women completely walk over them. It destroyed most of my cousins and I am still a virgin with no prospects for marriage despite wanting one. Yes, we are to blame for our own shortcomings, but I have to wonder how 15~ men all came to the same general problem from the same belief systems. We were raised to be feminine, and that is what we became. A bunch of feminine men who took too long to try and become more masculine, and now most of us get to die alone with the burden of needing to forgive out parents and family, and continue to love them despite not being equipped with any tools of real value to surviving the real world.
@@someone-ji2zbwomen often find men 40-50 to be the most attractive. You've got plenty of time.
My family is the same, as I would assume most men's families are. All the guys walk on eggshells around the women, which absolutely destroys the entire family.
Describing forgiveness as a burden we now have to bear is spot on. We will need to forgive. We shouldn't have had to do it, but we will have to, nonetheless.
@@browserboy1984lol stats show women typically prefer men at their own age, maybe a year or two older or younger. Age differences if there are any are typically no more than 5 years at most for married couples. This "Oh you'll be most attractive in your 40s and 50s" is misleading *at best*.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmencite two journals where you found these stats.
I know you cannot paste links in YT comments, so just give me the names of the journals and articles, unless, of course, you are making this up.
Since the time I started paying attention to the sermons, and even now... Mothers day= The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. Fathers Day= you need to do more and do it better because you are failing. I am sick of jumping through the hoops and nothing is ever good enough.
^this
I call Mother's Day in the church "Worship Women Day." On that day, typically, not enough praise can be piled on women, including extolling the incredible virtues of single mothers. They are "heroes." Then come Father's Day, look out men, the hammer is coming down hard--it is time to "man up" or else.
I have actually been told that if you extol fathers on Father's Day, it will hurt the feelings of many women in the congregation. This is termed "emotional blackmail."
And that’s why fathers aren’t in the church and have no desire to be. There are better resources outside the church.
Im glad I joined the Army at 17. Taught me how to endure in my suffering and push further than what I thought I was capable of. I've been a flawed broken man for a decade after but at least I carried that with me. Now faith in God and his word is my strength.
I am a husband and father. I am currently the only baptized one but i have been modeling Christ like behavior(not perfect though). so one area that is very visible to my family is praying at meals. it used to be just me but after I was consistent one day as i finished praying i looked up and my daughters were doing the same as me and praying. i cried for joy and pray i keep them going in the path of Jesus. God is good. now they argue about who is going to say amen! lol
Praise the Lord! That alone is a miracle brother! May God continue to bless you and all of yours in Jesus name. Amen
@@kinnieware9309 thank you and God bless you!
@@rebeccasthought2443 thank you for that.
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Good - stand firm - the example of a parent helps them for life - Christ sustains.
Dude as a man grown up as a Christian and wanting to be this nice guy I was suppose to be failed me and made me bitter. But I got ahold of pick up artist and it changed my life. Yes it can be used bad but used correctly showed me how to be a man and the truth of women and how to treat them. And be the leader and love them still. Changed my life so much more for the better and gave me confidence the church didn’t know how to do because they caught up in that just be a servant it’s all your fault
Hard to teach others to "dwell with your wife with understanding" when you have no clue about, nor how to interact with, nor acknowledge the frailties of the woman.
@@mequint2000 but women are perfect! At least that’s the idea you would get from listening to Sunday sermons
@@mequint2000 you get much better advice on women from rolls tomassi than from some soy preacher.
I used to warn Christian men to avoid marriage, I never thought I d see the day I had to warn them against going to church, or at least 95% of churches
Why would you tell a man to avoid the very things God created? Sounds off to me
@@MoonMoon-fx1opYour question tells me you didn't watch or listen to these videos. I recommend you do.
@@vinnievu1 problem is Christ isn't the center and men want to be and gets mad when they are not. All I hear is selfishness. Once again, why tell a man to stay away from something GOD has created?
Bible study class is great. What a blessing. But I agree with avoiding marriage. Good luck
@@MoonMoon-fx1op You can't hear yourself. Shame that Christ gave you ears, eyes, and a brain, and you can neither see, hear, or think. Ever consider you're the problem and want to destroy men by getting them to church to beat on them? It's what every narcissist/satanist does. Repent, watch the video again, read his comment again and see how you're standing on the wrong side of history. See how his comment is in theme with the video. See how you stand in theme with the problem. The best display of wisdom you can do is to be silent instead of opening your mouth for all the world to see what a fool you are. God's word is always right. Ps if you're such the always right Godly person you passively-aggressively claim to be, read Matthew 19. His comment is the same as what the Apostles gleaned from Christ. You on the other hand are the Isaiah 5:20 opposite. Are you leftist? Feminist? Misandrist?
Grew up in the church as a pastor’s kid for 30+ years (and served for most of that time). Explored multiple denominations, churches and conversations with leader ship. And it blows my mind how badly the church as a whole has failed men regarding these things. Love this video, maybe 40 years too late but at least people in the church are FINALLY starting to think about the possibility of maybe having this conversation and addressing these things.
At 26 years old I am acutely aware of the lack of biblically nuanced masculinity. I am fortunate to live in an area that leans more blue collar, which is to say men who have a measure of many of the traits godly men need, but even in this area I see a lack of initiative in regard to the things of God (i.e. evangelism, raising up other men per Titus 2, prayer, teaching the word, etc). Unfortunately my background within my family doesn't leave me with a sense of what it should look like, but it does (at the very least) provide a clear picture of what it doesn't need to look like.
We need 'be strong and courageous; stand up and act like men' kind of men. We need men who don't outsource the biblical training of their kids to youth programs. We need men who are actively pursuing the Great Commission. We need men who stand up, with courage, and act like men as God defines it.
I'm not working with a full deck of cards myself but by the scriptures and what good things I can observe in men around me I am trying to piece together a correct, accurate, full-orbed masculinity that initiates, charges forth even in abject terror, says what needs to be said when it needs to be, does what is necessary when it is, and reflects godly masculinity. A brother in the faith from Trinidad has shared very similar sentiments. And as an aspiring missionary I feel strongly that if we don't get our national "house" in order as Christians we will be in dire straits before God as we have an unprecedented and unfathomable influence on other cultures.
Well said brother
I've long held the opinion that 'Single' men are not welcome in church.
I can’t remember the name of the video but Kevin Samuels had a great video a while back about that subject. Something along the lines of why Man left the church or why men are leaving the church. It was a couple hour video
I'm living proof of that. The church I came to Christ in loved me. After coming to Christ, moving away (Navy), and going to church in my new area, it was like the Twilight Zone. Religion without Christ. Rules instead of themes. Women who pretended like they took the backseat but ran their mouths non-stop with man bashing, man hate, gossip, etc.... Churches would tell me to sit in a separate room with nursing mothers instead of the pew or chair I was in because it should be used only for couple.
I've never been kissed. People told me, "Why don't you go to a church that has more women?". I tell them that I go where God wants
@@davidlafleche1142 Great answer! Stand firm, brother. Don't let the churchians (Mt 15:8) mislead you.
Fuck, this hits hard.
My preacher used to say this: every problem in the marriage is the man's fault.
My buddy's dad was there. His wife had left him and their children for another man. It was a strange thing, as an 8 year old, to watch a grown man's heart break on the front pew in a Wednesday night Bible study.
You're spot on about how we were supposed to fix our broken relationships though. Like Boxer in Animal Farm, to put our shoulders to the weight, saying only, I must work harder.
Maybe we need preachers who actually have common sense, not ascended nerds from seminary.
Maybe it's too late for Christianity.
When professional Christianity was created a conflict of interest was also created.
If pastors chastised women from the pulpit, they would be run out of town on a rail (by the women).
Sorry but that was the women’s fault right there, not his. You can’t fix a broken woman.
@@robinsanders431 Yea, pretty sure that was the point rofl
It's probably too late.
Still, there is no other real option than to follow Jesus.
As a former reformed Presbyterian. Now Orthodox Christian. I found this helpful.
I get preached to by the sibling all the time, "If there is something bothering you, speak up about it". The problem is, whenever it is spoken, it feels demonizing because these are the same people who will damn you for speaking up. So you just suffer in silence to the toxic positivity. She will never understand how much of a pawn she is to our mother--a control freak.
Hypocrisy is a sign of Satan. John 8:44. I have a control freak mother too. It's known as narcissism - the void of loving others.
Sometimes, speaking up is not enough. Perhaps get a bunch of other like minded men to meet up with the pastor at your church and address the issue.
We do not live in an egalitarian society; we live in a matriarchy; Just visit your local family court.
Women do not want to attend churches that emphasize men's authority in the home. Women will drag their husbands out of such churches; I saw this in the reformed Episcopalian church I attended in the mid to late nineties.
Correct, it takes two to Salsa...I learned this practically as a Salsa dancer in the dance world. If there are 2 leaders then there is no dance; if there are 2 followers then there is no dance. Only when there is one lead and one follow does dance occur. Biblically, women from the time of the Fall in Genesis 3, DON'T WANT to follow men since Satan's rebellious plan all along was to flip God's order so that women balk at masculine men who lead. Feminism has been fueling that rebellious nature in women for decades. The women need just as much Biblical correcting as the men.
That’s an oxymoron “reformed Episcopalian 🤣. Any woman that would want to drag her husband from a Bible believing church is probably not regenerate.
Very true. Unfortunately the church has neglected men for far too long and I believe it has something to do with many churches’ desire to conform to the secular world in order to “fit in”.
Also adopting the ideology of believe all women.
@@crimsondraak3024 church has adopted feminism.
They simply don’t want to offend the sensibilities of women.
@@GGg-sr3ph Yea, that is the only thing to be said. Feminism has been involved with most churches for decades now. Female leadership, feminine teaching styles from male pastors, there is almost nothing to learn from church, and in fact I would say that in many (perhaps most) cases you will learn more from the Bible in your own studies and research than you will from these churches in the current day in the US
@@someone-ji2zband Canada
Imagine hearing this as an Anglican. And it resonates. Strongly.
This is dead on. I grew up fatherless. I absolutely needed this under my roof I grew up in. I made a promise that if I was ever blessed with fatherhood that I would be there for our kids. Well, its been 16 years of marriage and 2 kids. It's been a challenging experience but we all live under the same roof. One of the Pastor's of our Church started a mens bible study which I have been attending for about 4 years. It's sort of an outlet for discussion on mens challenges and although not perfect, it absolutely helped me with mens challenges, prayers and of course bible study.
It is popular to talk about MGTOW as though it is some abandonment of responsibility. My experience is that it is more a rejection of the exactly what this clip talks about - the expectation that men can be held responsible for things that they are given no ability to do, and are given no reward for trying
It is a rejection of the idea that men are serfs, expected to labour without ceasing and without compensation.
Even talking about “servant leadership” in this context is a lie, unless we recognise that the ultimate servant-leader - Christ - is also LORD. Christ has authority. Christ is honoured. It is not a one-way transaction in which we get the benefits of Servant-Leadership without giving obedience and reverence in its turn.
Amen
Christ said give up everything (your ego, your way, your desires, your lofty plans) and follow me. The followers loved him, were obedient and listened to their Lord and followed his example and submitted to his rebukes.
I heard someone say that when Jesus washed the feet of his disciples he was demonstrating the attitude of servanthood we should have. But, this speaker noted, when Peter balked at what Jesus was doing, Jesus the servant immediately took authority and rebuked Peter. Peter, recognizing that authority immediately repented. As husbands, fathers, bosses, citizens, we are to serve our wife, children, employees, neighbors but always be prepared to step into God's authority based upon our biblical role, scripture's command, our duty, and/or what wisdom or leadership of the Holy Spirit dictate.
The Apostle Paul was celibate and advised others to be as well when possible (1 Corinthians 7:8) so any preacher belittling the current trend towards celibacy has clearly not read their Bible.
Thanks Lord for your peace
Thanks Lord for your salvation
Thanks Lord for bible study class
This is more needed now than ever before. I, for one, look forward to more regarding this subject.
Is it appropriate here to say, "Me, too!"?
We do not live in an egalitarian society. We live in a matriarchal society with a matriarchal church.
The problem with the modern church is the Gospel not being preached. It's really that simple
This explains why after reading Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules For Life, I felt like it was the best book on sanctification I’d ever read. Even as he is not a believer and his worldview is largely evolutionary.
Good news, Peterson accepted Christ as savior recently 😊
@@TheRealMonnie According to what or who? I was very much a listener of his content since 2017 until I started to switch to almost exclusively Christian sources when I really came into the motivation to actually believe and pursue a fellowship with Christ. I would love to see Peterson make that final step as he seemed to be getting increasingly closer to the truth.
@@TheRealMonnie I heard the took the mark of the beast (Covid-19 jab)
@@D.O.R.E.I the mark of the beast where is the bible says is a Jab? it is been part of the political system not a medical procedure.
@@TheRealMonnie Jordan Peterson became a Catholic.. apparently.. the facts of the matter is Jordan Peterson is a Jesuit snakewith an agenda, always was
All men need is the following verse:
Matthew 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
But if you really looked for it, would you still care about the old things you wished for?
So ironically one who really seeks the kingdom wouldn’t care about the things added. And the one who seeks things added would never have them added, because he would be “seeking” the kingdom for the wrong reason. The wrong reason being reward, be that material or self-image.
@@nathanreed2087 God is not a genie. I do not seek the kingdom of God to have my wishes fulfilled. I seek it, so that I can live right and bring about a heaven on earth. The things added are not material. Remember we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with spirits and wickedness in high places. When you seek the kingdom of God the things added unto you are spiritual.
It's a great start, but not an any way complete. Study to be approved; Farmer-Athlete-Soldier development; Love like Christ did for the Church; etc... All this to develop trust through consistency. Once again, Great starting verse.
I do not disagree with you, but the issue being discussed is how a man gets taught the principles behind such an idea. I love God, but how do I truly seek His kingdom above all else with no support from anyone what so ever and never being equipped with anything other than my own miserable failures? What does it mean to seek? How does one know if they are already seeking it or not?
We are never promised an easy life, a life of luxury, a spouse, or anything for that matter. We are told that he will help us survive so that we can continue serving, but that obviously does not mean we will be kept alive for the sake of that; if we die we die. If we suffer as we serve, then we suffer as we serve. It isn't such an easy topic.
One of the most important things we need to keep in mind, is how we can convey a selfless idea to children/teens in a way that promotes hope, rather than a dim outlook on their future. Unfortunately, what has happened in recent decades was the confusion of our youth and making everything seem dim; their minds were clouded and they were thrust into adulthood with little to no real guidance to help a believer weather the storm.
This verse is spoken in the context of not worrying about anything, so it probably applies more to the gender that has a propensity to worry, panic and be anxious. Just try and force some accountability onto today's women and you'll get a similar reaction to presenting a cross to a vampire. Accountability is their kryptonite.
Well spoken points Doug and Aaron - A lot of men, including myself, finally have something to say "Aha, that's precisely it!" to after watching this. I binged most of Man Rampant Season 1 early on but rehearing these snippets makes me realize just how on the pulse they are about this. As Aaron mentions in the video, men do tend to naturally struggle with the interpersonal stuff so identifying the exact feelings in the first place, that are associated with just what it is that unsettles us about the way of the church at the moment is draining and demoralizing. Men need tools, and good tools at that - We also can spot a good quality tool for a bad one a mile away, or at least, we find out quickly the hard way - to which it is no surprise the secular mens movements are far more agile and bold in trying new things and see what does/does not work for the men in their community, in real time. The church on the other hand, has no idea what to do with men of "raw material" and shoves them into servant leadership ministries centred around what the women want to do.
Just start looking at Eastern Orthodox Church and forget the skittles variety
i am so grateful for the content Canon Press outs out! i am the oldest of 5 siblings, i definitely saw the effects of how the church failed to provide resources or tools for my 3 brothers. we grew up without a dad. and the opportunity the church had to teach us what biblical men should look like was grossly mishandled. but thank God for His grace and merch, He redeems all things through Christ. don’t lose heart men!
I don’t think you know what biblical men should look like.
Some little girl makin faces in her camera doesn’t know how men should act.
Women seriously need to stay in their lane.
God doesnt care about men, the Church is preaching exactly what God commands.. to be submissive and effeminate.. this lowers mens testosterone and turns them in low labido men who's wives be screwing their coworkers to get some satisfaction .. trust me.. soon you also will be screwing your coworkers because you've ground your husband down to dust in his bones .. its a biological imperative that women like masculine men
The expectation that fathers are to be held responsible without having authority in the house is difficult if not impossible to manage. Its like planning a date, then getting shot down and being blamed for not planning dates. It makes no sense.
How about it’s just boring. Are there any guys like me that see the beauty and need for the gospel but the routine of church service is painstakingly boring. I wish I could go to church... hear a meaningful sermon that teaches me about God and be on my way encouraged.
Think about it. Its set up for women and kids.
As a conservative French man living in Canada. I pity North Americans. I love my kids and my wife but authority and service come together. Challenging the wife’s rhetoric comes with admitting your wrongdoings and giving a vision.
Men want peace without having goals. It never works. My father was in the military and I am from a family of 5 kids and I have 5 kids myself.
Evening or morning devotion is a must. Worship and and cardboard game with limited screen time is part of our culture. Reading a lot and doing combat sports as well.
I find North American fighting to get their kids out of the virtual world into the material world to help out… year they have no clues that they are into the material rat race world and they should have first gone into the spiritual world..
God raise up strong leading men! We need you guys!
if he did you would only cut them down and call them toxic .. so spare us your false prayers
@@mysty0 assuming you know me isn't helping to you. I have seven brothers whom are all strong men raising their families with Christ at the head, as my father did and so as my husband is. I respect them and support them.
@@lisagill7968 all effeminate men as all Christian men are, as the Bible commands them to be and the Church enforces.. it would seem God hates masculinity as much as our modern Government.. I guess thats why God has empowered the feminists war on masculinity and empowered feminists to take over the church
The church just hits me with platitudes and it makes me sad.
Amen
Agreed. Unfortunately, the Church is not following God's word and has become useless. The important thing is that you have His word. John 14:15 "If you love me. follow my commandments"
I generally would get the vibe from the pulpit in their messages to men as
"Even though you're doing everything right, you're still doing everything wrong!"
How is this encouraging?
I would listen to these messages and bear the weight of what I thought a Christian man should be.
Where was this freedom trying to live in the Spirit of the Lord?
Your testimony is definitely underrated. I have seen variations of that testimony from Christian man in the comment sections of MGTOW videos
Yea I remember hearing that stuff as a teenager in the mid 2000s and wondering what the point of it all was if I would always be the problem despite my efforts. It had an impact on me, and while I would not recommend it, I am now a 35 year old, unmarried virgin who never really could quite handle the weight of everything being shoveled on me.
To be fair, that could just mean I am a weak man and have failed completely on my own, but most of my memories that stick are the ones like that.
Intellectual conversation on the state of men in the church, over a glass of bourbon, in cowboy boots…instant follow!
Anyone who thinks that “men struggle with interpersonal” relations, should read the Gospels with an eye to the number of times that Christ was angry - both with his opponents and his disciples.
If a man is angry and impatient, you call that “inappropriate” and “poor personal skills”, yet Christ was NEVER inappropriate. These are very appropriate responses to sin and foolishness.
The failure, here, is to recognise that men are not some form of broken women, and that the male style of communication is not somehow less..... but that as a society we have become so fragile and lily-livered that we can’t tell a woman that she is wrong, can’t tell foolish people that their feelings are “deceitful above all things and desperately wicked , or that their opinion is without value if it is not supported by evidence and logic.
Yes. A man is seen as a broken woman in a matriarchy.
Wow. "Men are not some of broken women".
We do not live in an egalitarian society, we live in a government-enforced matriarchal society.
The lack of worldly knowledge from church leaders I’ve interacted with is staggering. They can’t relate to modern men and aren’t educated in much other than scripture. For example, no body in the military seeks help from Chaplains - social workers, counsellors, psychologists (the secular world) is unfortunately who they trust more.
Some of the best church leaders I've both met and grown up under have not come out of theological nerd training. Like Jesus, they have worked side-by-side with real people with real problems in real jobs. The worst ones bailed on that kind of life, surrounded themselves with Churchianity and became Green Room/celebrity pastors that came out on the weekend to pontificate to the masses that they barely knew and got their underlings to deal with the "pastoring" work.
Well spoken.
So what are the tools for Christian men?
Knowledge of bible doctrine.
Love: not romantic love, love based on your attributes of doctrinal knowledge. Can you love your wife as Christ loves tje church, in that Christ gave himself for the church, based on his own attribute of love.
Can you lead and initiate; gen 3:16 says you are to rule over your wife.
Will she submit to your authority; use her submission by being worth her respect.
Do not allow her to wear mens clothing and she must wear a head covering in the assembly. Insist on longer hair and keep yours shortish.
Work hard and keep her busy.
Get chickens, way better than flowers, they pay for their 'keep
@@johornbuckle5272 Gilead
From church? Mostly servant leadership and to care for women.
From secular areas? One of them says make muscles, make more money, be more social (and flirt), be steadfast and immovable in your convictions and actions.
@@vinnievu1 Which is funny, because while secular men are providing that info, it is also biblically taught that we should remain strong physically, develop charisma for the glory of God, be capable of providing for a family, and also be more steadfast in your convictions (that being of biblical principle).
Yet churches wont really talk about those things as much. You'd think with the obesity problem that more sermons would bring up gluttony and how we should remain capable to defend our families and communities. But nope.
Thats last statement was so utterly profound
God is working on Jordan Peterson... Pray for him
I went monk a decade ago after horrendous treatment by women starting with an abusive alcoholic mother... now my church is ordaining a woman "pastor" November 1st, and I will leave and then I will be trying to maintain my beliefs alone...
So what do we have to address this. Have been saying this since I was 18 I'm now 31! This is getting old. Has went on WAY TOO LONG with NO ONE addressing it!
This is completely correct. Men need practical instructions about how to actually do the good things they want to do. How can you chide a man for falling prey to pornography when you steadfastly refuse to tell him -how- to resist it? Teenage me needed a trick for making an attack of lust go away much more than an hour long diatribe on how bad lust is.
I eventually found such a trick: focus on flexing a muscle in your leg. Flex and relax that muscle until the attack passes.
Watch some UA-cam videos of people who came out of the porn industry.
Here’s a good strategy: tell men that they have desires that are normal, and it’s only the outlet for them that is sinful. Teach them how to view and treat women honorable and teach them relationship skills so that they can find the right woman.
i wouldn't bash Peterson so quickly. as far as i understand he has always kept his eye on Scripture as a good resource for living a proper life. now more recently he has emotionaly talked about Jesus' ultimate sacrifice and how Jesus is the perfect role model for mankind.
maybe we should pray for him as it appears that God/Jesus are working on his heart.
I saw a video where he said he's astonished that he actually believes in Christ
@@TheRealMonnie it's my understanding that his wife became a believer at some point; maybe before or during his health troubles, and now it is even more facsinating andnrealmfor him.
Pray for him is the best advice.
True
Yeah his lip service for his wife but never from his own heart - I would not defend a Luke warm mouthpiece like Peterson all the time - he has the same tragic problem like Camus exactly the same dramatic pride of his own mind.
John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 🙏🏾📖
Jesus also said: If you love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15. Apostle John writes: This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3. So as friends of Christ we are not buddies, but are still subordinate to Christ.
Yes, this a informative piece of information. I’m watching the utube piece. Just over 7 min.
Let's not forget my favorite: if your wife cheats on you, it's your fault men.
That’s because the “pastors” are simps
@@chickenheart896
Women control sex in marriage. One of the prime issues I’ve counseled with marriages is the fact that women once married decide that they dont need to put out anymore.
That indeed does destroy a marriage
@@trailtrs1 Letting yourself get so fat that your husband doesn't want sex anymore destroys a marriage too.
@@chickenheart896
I didn’t say sex before a marriage was ok. I just said what I said. Don’t add implications to what I said
@@robertfishter2862
That’s part of it. The goal is to land the Gish (husband) and then many let themselves go because they are in “the cat birds seat” and no matter what happens to the marriage they hit the lotto in life.
Meg provides if they stay married, and the state forces him to provide snd support her if they divorce
This is absolutely correct in regard to “tools”. The Church demands that men be responsible, but gives them little or no ability to affect outcomes. That is absolutely unjust. It is also counter to the God-given doctrine that the individual is responsible for their own actions, decisions and sins.
What this clip does not appear to recognise is that the way that God has made men, and the things that we bring to the table are not honoured. That is not an “evolutionary” argument, but an argument based on the nature of creation.
The unique needs and challenges that men face are not addressed. I see this a lot as a single, middle-aged man. There are specific ministries and messages for women, children, young adults and generic families, but I and those like me are bloody well invisible. Oh..... except when you want money from me.😡
This was a five minute clip and you are complaining that it doesn’t have an hours worth of content on it?
They have so much content on this topic…
And are you complaining about a free video on a free app costing money??
@@PlagueNurseOpal
An hour’s content is not required. The basics could be covered in a couple of minutes.
The key problem is the Churches are only preaching a part of the scriptures..which is 1/2 truth leading to massive confusion and discouragement. When was the last time you heard a pastor preach Ephesians 5:22-24 or 1 Corinthians 7:4-5???
@@WTHenry2023 If those verses get mentioned, they are followed by at least half a hour “explaining” that a “proper” husband won’t ask his wife to “submit” to anything she doesn’t like.
Which isn’t submission at all.
I’m paraphrasing this from something else I saw on UA-cam regarding Masculinity and how its definition has changed.
The new held belief about masculinity for it to be acknowledged or maybe respected/praised is the man who suffers the most but complains the least.
If that’s what a man is expected to put up with I’ll pass thank you much.
Well articulated.
@@blipflorn6453 as are yours, sir. ... and mine ...
I've not come across a church which follows the very clear rule of women not being permitted to teach in the church.
There’s one big one, the one from Rome
There are plenty. Unfortunately they are slowly dying or labeled as cults. Apostolics, End time message and other denominations i cannot recall off top of my head. Modern- Christianity has largely done away with fundamental teachings and watered down some of the biblical standards.
@@sharkinator7819 youre correct. i was referring to protestant churches but my fault for not specifying.
i mean, when your method is to memorize the institutes of the christian religion and pretend that encompasses all of life while ignoring everything else... what could go wrong?
This ain't it chief
There has to be more in the Bible on Action for men. "Fight Club" can't be the end all be all.
Fight club is chaos that isn’t even remotely close to what the Bible talks about.
Fight club is a homosexual book about homosexuals, thinly veiled. The place to start is probably the exact opposite.
I watched a marriage seminar put on by a pastor who explicitly prescribed wives to withhold from their husbands strategically to get what they want from him because [men are slow and need to be guided by their women].
That was evil advice. Paul explicitly condemns witholding from one another. Sick...
@@douglasmcnay644
Agreed. Some of the most useless and, ironically, unchristian advice on women and relationships comes from the church.
It seems to me that this is a great need and opportunity for a Christian training in ‘Christian game’ if you’ll excuse the expression. If the Christian men are taught to be skilled and strong and understand women and relationships (or as some would say, if Christians were Alpha Chads) and consequently had exemplary relationships, that would be quite the ‘marketing draw’ to the church as well as removing the common reproach of the hypocrisy of the high divorce rate of Christians.
That was the devil giving that advice.
If we truly lived in an egalitarian society, then men would have power that is equal to the power that their wives yield in the home. Every single man in America would wield the same power that any woman would yield in the society, in the schools, in the workplace, and especially in court. Every single honest American citizen can tell you that is simply not the case-and that Ameri a is nowhere NEAR such an arrangement.
AMEN N THE EXTREME, AMEN!!!
My mother died at age 31 of metastatic colon cancer in 1955… I was 5 weeks short of my 5th birthday, my brother was 3 and my sister 20 months… Imagine how I might profoundly resent and despise church on Mothers Day… Even now, at 74, I in no way celebrate that occasion…
Interesting point about bossing women around. A great response to the dilemma of feminism. Why does the pendulum have to swing all the way back? A polemical approach to this problem will only serve to exacerbate it in the end. The basic problem is not "men" or "women". Both need to read the word of God and strive to apply what it says. If we do not understand the reason why God wants us to behave in various ways, we then operate in confusion and and angst. Feminism is essentially cancerous. So is unchecked male dominance. We were made to work together.
Thank you!
Finally someone who gets it
As a single man no kids never been married. What does a man like me lead when you have nothing too lead?
"Men, you're the problem" has been at least the core subtext for at least 30 years, though, as well - not just the last few years. And I've been saying (it's the situation I've landed on, though I'm loathe to lay the blame on anyone but me) of my personal devotional and ministry flounderings that it turns out that, despite years connecting with various ministries, working in ministry, etc., having substantial gifts affirmed repeatedly, I'm nevertheless not equipped. So, I've landed on not pursuing ministry work any longer. I've imagined I'm not the only one leaving the vocation idea behind.
I don't understand your response: "having substantial gifts affirmed repeatedly" but "nevertheless not equipped". Who was affirming your gifts and why weren't they considered enough?
@@toomuchinformation I'm not sure the leaders of my church know the answer to that question. My elders affirm my gifts. My church licensed me years ago. I served as curriculum writer and teacher for years, years ago. I've never come under discipline-on the contrary, I've been asked to lead in some serious times. And, now I'm working through a theology grad program. But, no interest in me today. So, this may be a personal matter I need to get an answer to. But, I've never been able to make sense of it in my church in more recent years (which is, in part, why I have now left my church after 27 years since my comment/post). But, I gotta say, the vision of many churches is-individuals with recognized gifts may be called upon to lead, and we believe sin life should be considered in light of progress not perfection and the sufficiency of grace... but also we won't hire anyone who acknowledges they still have sins. Or something. Everyone in leadership across multiple churches and in ministries I follow are all "yeah, I USED to be this or that, I USED to struggle with this or that, but God has freed me long ago." Well, cool cool cool. But when asked, "So what's the sin you struggle with now?" - crickets - I mean, I'm fighting daily and failing more often than I'd ever like (it seems I'm "not equipped" to finally and completely conquer sin). Can I serve? Having present sin struggles is too much of a problem. Can ministers, though, all be as free from sin as churches' hiring policies suggest and the ministers themselves teach?
@@AndrewKendall71 Thank you for your in-depth comment. It sounds as if your particular situation goes beyond why men are no longer attracted to church and more about what kind of people are more likely to be accepted and the difficulty of admitting to CURRENT DIFFICULTIES.
Those currently struggling with such may not apply it seems.
@@toomuchinformation Those current difficulties, in my opinion, are gospel difficulties and not merely behavioral. It seems to me (cynically) that the men who do choose it are a bit more of the CEO go-getter. The type-A leader who may or may not have the calling or qualifications, but who-driven and not taking no for an answer-pursue pastoral ministry, get the role, and establish the type and the culture of the type who "should" be pastor. That, combined with some of what I said-a question of whether they're as free from sin as seems to be required by a congregation-leads to fewer willing to step up. Kinda like, it takes a special kind of narcissist to become a politician in today's world, it takes a bold (and I don't mean spiritual or gospel boldness) personality to take it on. And this, instead of "here, let's ensure discipleship and ceremonial sending and pressing confession and oversight and togetherness instead of isolation are at play to uphold the man of God." I do appreciate you seeking clarity by asking me in the first place.
So happy to see you guys notice this problem, it's bothered me for YEARS! So much so that i'm in the process of creating a youtube channel to address some of the issues.
The modern church has capitulated to emotion instead of adhering to Gods word. It has traded the definition of Meek and switched it with Weak. Jesus drove out the money changers.... He didn't do it with hugs and kind words..... He whipped theiry're asses and trashed theiry're booths like a prize bull in an antique store....
Luv your comment! It’s not super spiritual holier than thou, and it’s not super practical with lack of common sense either. It’s just right!👍🏼
Haha. Well said
God is the most intolerant of all, if the assumption that Christianity is true.
@@finnfinn2381 I agree if you mean intolerant of sin. Lucky for us however, His patience is mercyiful. We are very tolerant of sin because by nature we love it.
This. It wasn't until I fell away from the Church that I actually started learning what Jesus actually said & meant. The cultural & historical context in the Bible must be known before you can really understand what's being conveyed in the text.
"If momma ain't happy, God ain't happy."
Men that lay down 100% to their wife are weak. In a relationship the give/take should be 50-50. And I see lots of men act like their wife should make all the decisions to keep them happy. It’s all a show. Some men even let their wife dress them in preppy clothing. It’s just sick. 🤢
Very very accurate
Interesting perspective. I hope more men can bring more heaven-bound but earthly good tools to help men in the church.
Personal question- Pastor Doug, what brand of boots are you wearing?
Music at the end sounds right off the duck commanders podcast..
Royalty Free music sites exist
i struggle to go to church because there's nothing to do. it's completely passive. i can't stand it
Find a church that has work that you can get involved in. Those churches are out there
After being away from church for a while the first church I checked out last Sunday made the joke from the pulpit “if men want to have a peaceful home just listen to your wives” I challenged them on that after service was over and after talking about the way society treats man they told me that “church is just downstream from society/culture”
Why can’t Church be down stream from God? Downstream from the word? Nope! Church has to be down stream from society
Is there a full version of this conversation
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@@CanonPress I have the app (annual subscription). I can't find this conversation. Can you provide more-explicit information? Thanks.
Go onto the app and type in “Man Rampant.” It is the episode with Aaron Renn and it is called “The Lie of Servant Leadership.” You will have to scroll down a bit to find it.
These secular people understand our sin nature better then you do. people are so lost they cannot even navigate regular reality anymore. people need to at least be in reality before they can accept a higher power.
The Church may not equip you but the Holy Spirit gives the 9 Fruits of the Spirit including a supernatural peace inside your soul and Christ-like patience and self control and spiritual gifts and callings to do things while walking in His Power that you couldn’t do before.
Ive never heard of this Aaron guy but hes spot on. Ive heard and know all about the MGTOW/PUA/Men's rights kinda guys.
Many of those men are unfortunately bitter after being burned. MGTOW isn't the right answer, but sometimes you can understand why they go that direction after hearing their stories.
@@firingallcylinders2949 The right answer would be to eliminate no-fault divorce, make joint custody the default & end alimony. However, in our gynocentric society that's highly unlikely.
@@Razaiel Yea men get absolutely hosed in divorces. I know dozens of men who got divorced and not a single one that I've talked to didn't get absolutely destroyed financially and lose the kids.
@@firingallcylinders2949 I'm not MGTOW since I'm married, but I take issue when people just dismiss them as merely embittered men without addressing the substance of their grievances.
@@Razaiel I'm not married but I'm not MGTOW, I'm somewhere in between. Marriage makes me a little scared but it's not completely off the table, who knows.
Seems like what is being said is “Hey the world is doing this thing, and many young men are pursuing it. We need to be doing that thing.” Huh... Love your wife as Christ loved the church, (He emptied Himself of all entitlement in order to be a servant), Wash her in the word (Maybe we need to know the word, what it means, and to speak it with love, seasoned salt, and have a purpose to what you are saying). What I am getting at is quit looking to the world for how we are to behave as men and look to Christ. Be meek (have power under restraint) Who cares what these other men are saying, if its foundation is not the truth then it will lead to death and destruction. Listen to your wife, hear what she is saying and guide her to the way of the truth. Serve her and she will know that you love her and she will listen to you. That is why we listen to God because He served us.
The woman was created as a help meet for the man.
@@robertfishter2862 go back and read that in the Hebrew...
The problem is, most churches don't dare to teach the corresponding passage ("wives, obey your husbands...") because it's too 'misogynist' or whatever. It's just continual browbeating of men to do more, do better, be more, be better. I'm a woman and I notice this.
@@bradywymond8091oh you get it. Many things are misconstrued in translation
@@dotwarner17obey and submissive are two different things
Would really have liked to hear Wilson speak.
So true
Besides unwavering faith in God, the Biblical superpower that men have that could reverse this mess is to adhere to the standard of chastity outside of marriage for themselves, but also insist upon chastity for the women they marry. Young men must read the Bible several times in their youth to see what is actually said in it and have faith in it's wisdom, especially surrounding warnings against porneia and Jezebel. I argue this is the only way Western men can correct the cultural shift into chaos we are now witnessing. The good news is that this is within the power of each and every young man to do for themselves and for their society.
I really think we need to stop saying “equip” and “tools”
Why?
This is all because churches have become Seeker Sensitive- and the only “seeker” that matters today is the modern wife. AKA, the modern day head of the family because men have been whipped into the corner.
Great. What should the church give us regarding this? Would love to hear more.
More clips to come! But in the meantime, the full episode is available on the Canon App:
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@@CanonPress having trouble finding the episode? Do I need to pay for the service in order to watch it?
@@elijahmthompson2313 yes you do have to pay unfortunately
@@petersherwood202 The description says "watch for free on the canon app"
Go onto the app and type in “Man Rampant.” It is the episode with Aaron Renn and it is called “The Lie of Servant Leadership.” You will have to scroll down a bit to find it.
I wonder if this just an American thing, because I've been to Church in the Latin parts of the world and it was kinda different.
Anyone know the book and author he was referring to saying "men, you're the problem and you need to be a servant leader"? I know a lot of christian authors these days teach this but I was wondering if anyone knew this instance. Thanks!
like every book directed to men
Ted Cortez Bingo, virtually every Christian book or piece of Christian advice is this. It's no surprise that most divorces are instigated by women, despite them having more freedoms now than ever
We've created a system that financially incentivizes a women to break the covenant she made and it comes with social approval from the culture and now the church.
I find no free episode in the app, just a paywall
How do we look for the complete version we downloaded the app but how do we find it ?
When doestge interviewer stop talking and let Doug Wilson speak ?
So then read the breakthrough novel, “Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much.
Not to mention frequency. Guys like Rollo Tomassi are spitting out content all the time, willing to do 3hr live streams with their audience.
Haven’t really seen Rollo‘s videos but have been catching “better bachelors”/jokers videos. I spent several years trying to talk to church leader ship about MGTOW and all of the testimonies I was finding from Christian men leaving the Church. All of the warnings where ignored
Also was warning the youth leaders about everything going on and they dismissed everything I had to say on the subject until one day they had a breakout session where the high school aged men only group started talking about everything I had previously warned the youth leaders about. Youth leaders were no longer hearing it from me but straight from the young man that they were teaching…
Ok, but they are also making a small fortune by doing it as often as they do rofl
No worries. Women are now leaving the church in higher numbers than men, so hopefully you’ll have it all to yourselves. Hallelujah!
Unlikely. Would have to be completely new churches, but I don't see that happening in our lifetimes in the US at this point.
I am afraid many christians will be dying alone in greater numbers than ever before (at least in recorded history), and it is a sad thought.
This is simply false and is debunked by basically any study or poll in the matter.
Insightful, men always expected to be 'servent leaders', but not empowered by culture or church. Sooo...? Men grasping, struggling with despair, guilt, and anger.
That's "servant". A "servent" is a computery thing most people don't need to think about.
Based
No we don't live in an egalitarian society we live in a matriarchal society...
i think most decent reasonable people really appreciate when someone tells it like it is - shoots straight with them. so i don't see why Doug has a problem with Jordon, unless Doug wants to be the only gunslinger in town?
Search Tom Wadsworth! He has some good ideas about this!
Do you guys boss your wives around? Like how you mention in the opening of the video. Or do you believe what you say later is the method for leadership?
I used to attend a men’s group. We were going through the 33 series, I came in as the section on marriage started. It seemed like the man was supposed to just suck it up, adopt all responsibility and fix problems, regardless of who’s wrong. It seemed real one sided. The guys that lead the group hadn’t really caught up with modern times; women earning more, divorce laws favoring women, etc. I stopped going to the group, it seemed like they wanted me to be a slave and just fix things for ppl without expecting things from them. No thanks
I notice widowers are “pushed” out via cold shoulder, widows and such pretty much run everything. I’m taking the hint and looking elsewhere to serve Christ, somehow. 🧐