CALF - A Professional VR180 3D Camera To Challenge Apple Vision Pro!
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Meet CALF, a brand new VR180 3D Camera that you can currently back on Kickstarter! I had the chance to try it out for you. The camera can do 6k at 50 fps, so videos are of a very high quality when you watch them in VR.
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Have you checked out the sample file in the description? What do you think about the quality?
Your Mic audio was left channel only. Otherwise that was surprisingly good.
@@Insomn yes, I just got the wireless mic new and did not set it up correctly.
@@Insomn😅 1:15 😊
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The video looked pretty good in DeoVR video player, once I set it to 180 Lat /Long in the lens profile. Motion on your hands seems like it might be an issue as there was some ghosting, hard to know if that's due to the source, or playback software, or my headset!
But it looks like it'd be OK for static cameras and slow movement probably. Focus was always good though!
Unfortunately I was unable to even get the video onto the timeline of Vegas movie studio 2022, so it seems like it'd be a problem for me to edit 3d video using my current software! Even after it asked me to install Quicktime it still didn't work for me. Maybe this uses codecs I just don't have!
My first UA-cam Post Ever:
Since I already own the Canon R5, I would have to see the Calf vs Canon RF5.2 Dual VR Lens video.
But you don't seem to be doing technical videos much these days. I really miss your technical videos, where you used actual measurement software tools to test and compare products. Anyone can do a podcast, but almost no one was performing actual tests so that people could understand EXACTLY what the specs are, and not what the company's marketing department says there are, and not just some vague interpretation of it with language, such as "it has a wider FOV than this product". That could mean anything from a little wider, to human FOV wider. The tests that you performed were not vague ideas, they were scientific knowledge. MRTV, you're starting to lose me with quantity of videos rather than quality of videos.
Additionally, it would be nice to see some basic tutorials from you. For example, how to set up your computer for the best VR experience. You could talk about physical connections, space, windows settings, steam settings, virtual desktop setttings, and kind of be the person everyone always goes to when they are starting up in VR (which is going to become a much bigger thing now that Apple is involved and the business/consumer world sees the devices as useful instead of when Meta was in charge and they seemed gimmicky. You could do a video for each new headset, for optimization, and people would flock to your channel for that as well. It's this good sense of business that you have that I want to see you rediscover and expand. Every headset should get 4 videos. Announcement, Unboxing, Review (with tests!), and Optimization. This will make your channel the *ONLY* place to go for knowledge about Virtual Reality.
Hugh Hou did that comparison video. The Calf did surprisingly well by comparison. It boiled down to Calf being way easier to use, and while Canon is better quality, if you dont have your shot in focus or you dont know what you're doing, your results may vary. 8k60fps on Canon is a massive pain, so having a camera that can at least do 6k50FPS with no hassle whatsoever, makes it a good camera to keep in reserve.
@@Insomn Well, I think Hugh did us a disservice here. The Calf has a 1/2.3 inch SONY IMX577 12.3mp sensor. That's 6.16x4.62 vs. Canon's 36x24 Full Frame sensor. That equates to 28.46 Sq mm vs 864 sq mm.
This tells us two things. #1: The Calf can shoot everything in focus because of f/stop equivalence. With f/2 on the Calf, it is like shooting f/5.6 on the Canon. Therefore, the Canon, which can shoot a true f/2.8 has 3 stops of light available to it more than the Calf, simply based on the sensor-size alone. #2: Your remark about "don't know what you're doing applies to Hugh Hou's video, because he is trying to compare a true f/2.8 on the Canon to a false f/2 on the Calf, which is actually f/5.6 in full-frame equivalence.
Additionally, because of the larger sensor on the Canon, the ISO gain can be ramped up far more than the tiny sensor on the Calf. Therefore, in low light, such as indoor lighting, the Canon will be able to do circles around the Calf in such situations. Imagine a sunset scene = Canon wins, Every time!
Also, as a filmmaker, focus pulling on the canon is not that difficult and it produces a beautiful slowly changing focus until it hits the mark. That is why you would actually want to use f/2.8 or f/3.5, in order to purposefully move focus during the video. If you don't need that, the Canon has massive f/stop and ISO range. LensProToGo has a video on the Canon Lens and he's holding a stick in front of him while walking and everything from the stick to the horizon is in focus. So, if you want infinite focus, that's also available on the Canon.
All that said, the Calf software appears to be much easier to use than Canon's awkward proprietary software. If Canon had an adobe plugin, then that would make life easier. But it doesn't and the software is slow and clunky.
All that to say, lens aside, I think you're really paying for the software for the Calf. That sensor is like a beginner's digital camera. My smartphone's sensor is closer in size to the Calf than the Canon!!! It's a very small sensor. It's made to be used by anyone, but the price is very high for such a tiny little sensor. So, mostly you're paying for the software.
What happened to all the affordable 3D VR 180 cameras? Plenty of affordable 360 cameras but no stereo 180s. Why?
Chicken and egg problem. Content creation correlated with content consumption (all in stereoscopic VR180 format). It will come…just need time. And that’s when more companies will come out of the woodwork.
@@tarasshevchenko8917 VR180 3D is by far the best format for media consumption in VR. You can sit in a comfortable chair and experience concerts while being on stage with the performers. The experience is better by far than being at a real concert. This just has to take off in a big way. It simply needs to be experienced by more people to reach critical mass.
@@BlueHound 100% agree. Since 2018 I've been following VR180's evolution (not as speedy as I hoped, but that's actually better), both as a consumer and as content producer/creator. It is indeed a very comfortable experience for the audience, a much more efficient way of producing VR video content (and I do both, 180 and 360). Every time I showed VR180 to people, they're amazed. I'm also excited as we are able to re-structure the filming vocabulary (though, not as drastic as VR360). It will take off...it's just a matter of time.
And...as you said, it's the closest we can come to experiencing a 'real, life-performing' event and even closer, by having unique vantage points. I'm looking forward to continue producing more VR180 content, as well as seeing what fellow creators do with this format! 🔥
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Been waiting 5 years for something I am going to be happy with. The Canon looks the best so far but they haven't dropped any more information
Ive been waiting too. First way for vr180, for me, was using the old Kodak 4K 360 camereas side by side. After that, the Insta360 Evo, which was the beeeeest!
It's probably worth talking about the top & bottom, left and right cutouts. The cutouts on the left and right is because the camera can see the lens to the left and right, and this would look weird in VR. The top and bottom is probably just their way of using as much of the CMOS sensor as possible. In order to fit a circular image into a rectangular sensor, they have to loose some image or a lot of sensor. They lost some image.
Hugh Hou has an explanation for this as well. That stretching of pixels on top & bottom looks bad, not just distorted like most VR180.
2 quick things-
To get $1399, you need to pledge TODAY, right now. Tomorrow it will go up to $1499.
VR180 is fantastic and immersive, but Apple Vision is different. If you pay close attention to their trailers, you will see that they are taking 6dof video. So the difference between this and a VR180 video is that in a 6dof scene you can move and see around corners to an extent, and watch the scene change based on your perspective. VR180 is much simpler, as you can look around and pivot your head, but you cant move from side to side, back and fourth, or up and down. Plus Apple's Spatial video IS NOT 180 degree. It will be like a 50x50 degree square. So if you want to be fully immersed- VR180 is what you need. Now, how is apple doing this? Probably a type of AI running NeRF using the multiple cameras and Lidar from the headset. I hope that their preview of this is accurate, because it can look really weird if they do it wrong. If you want a preview of what this could look like, download Google's "welcome to light fields" except imagine your field of vision is way smaller. If apple pulled this off, it will be their killer feature. But there's still a place for VR180, because it is far, far more accessible and editable and compact, as well as fully surrounding. VR180 is already ahead of its time. Whatever apple is doing will remain this elusive elitist apple thing for at least a decade before it catches on.
What makes you think that Apples videos will be 6dof ? As far as I remember they haven't mentioned such thing in the presentation. It was only presented as 3D videos. There was some paralax on playback, yes, but I guess that was only an attempt to kind of represent a 3D effect in a 2D video.
Too bad it has some distortions in the bottom.. but that is so it can have a wider field of view. Hugh Hou has very good comparisons with Canon R5C.
2k euro is a hefty price, for essentially consumer specs.
Lets hope the concept Canon VR180 consumer camera comes to market for much much less
3D180 disappeared for a few years and that sucked. Just when VR headsets started getting high enough resolution to do them justice. The Insta360 One was supposed to have a 3D 180 mod hut it never came. Thats the only reason i bought a One, hopefully theyll come back and fulfil their promise. So much better than 360 video for some purposes. Like just sitting down and wanting to be immersed.
But it has to be more affordable than 2k.
We will probably be able to record stereoscopic video with Quest 3. I wonder if that could compare. Maybe with some AI upscaling of framerate and resolution it would look nice. At least a lot cheaper than these cameras.
I posted on Reddit about that. Three years of having “coming soon” on their site for that mod. And three years later, they still claimed the same on Reddit. Well, nobody in the sub liked that I called them out, but they took it off their site after I did. Finally. Glad I didn’t gamble and buy it with the same expectation. Don’t even remember why I decided to look into it, but I’m sorry you got bamboozled. That, in addition to the fragility of their “action” cams + poor support, left a very bad taste. I’ll stay away until it gets acquired, though I doubt that will happen.
I do absolutely love this one madlad on Instagram who tells everyone a leaf scratched his 3x. He commented on every post of theirs for months. Dedication. Lol.
I fell for that lie too
Professional with 1/2.3" sensors is kinda a joke, especially if they are trying to get 6k from them.. pretty much impossible with any lens on this planet, pixels are just too small. With insane amount of light and 1k industrial lens you can maybe get 4k, but it won't look that amazing and with 180 degree lenses you cant get close to that level performance.
Eh, all you have to do is watch the videos it makes and see for yourself what they look like. No need to be incredulous off the bat. There are something like 60 sample videos you can just load up and look at.
@@Insomn Yeah, i did check them out.. and they look exactly what i would expect from 1/2.3 sensors. A lot of post processing and sharpening, poor color quality. You just cant get much out of sensor like those, not even phones use that small sensors any more. Only webcams use those anymore, even gopro finally moved to a larger sensor few generations ago.
It would have not been much more expensive to go with 1/2 or 1/1.7 sensors at least, and not try to get 6k out of those for hype.
I can get pair of 1/2.3" sensors and pair of 180 fisheyes for like 100$ that i can just plug directly into my phone. I get this is integrates solution, software and all that.. but at 1.3k.. a lot for what it is.
@@Insomn Z CAM K1 Pro has 4/3" sensors and 10bit output, its 1k more.. but that's kinda what i would call professional. 4/3" sensor is 8 times larger than 1/2.3" thats a huge difference.
it might not be as good as its advertised , but for real this camera is the only option for this price range, all the others are either discontinued or too pricey
@@Nobody-Nowhere You can look at what each camera is on paper all day... I just watched a dozen different examples of ZCam K1 Pro footage in my headset and didn't find one that looked better than Calf. So maybe it has bigger sensors, and no blind spot- but it still looks like dogshit for a $3000 camera. And it was $3000 4 years ago, too. So what gives? Do we just have denser sensors now or is the k1 only using a small part of the sensor? I think it's just that 4 years ago we didn't have 4k headsets, so the video that came off the K1 looked just as bad as everything else, but now we have crystal clear headsets and it just doesnt fly anymore. Maybe it has a better dynamic range but that's not enough to sell me on it when the footage is objectively bad in VR. Calf videos look really decent, especially for the money. Nothing else matters. It could have a 1/4" sensor and I wouldn't care because I can look at the video and tell that it's good with my own eyes.
Exciting, a pioneer could become something big!
Looks super interesting!!
Ok I can think of an industry which will benefit from it's live streaming abilities :P
I'm kinda interested myself too, but the question is: how much better is it than the Insta360 evo, which I like a lot? Does it warrant a $1000 to $1500 uptick?
Can oyu post some VR180 video where you're walking in a forest? That always is an issue with the EVO< it can't handle all the details when things move., so I wonder how this cam fares
Like you don't know that's already a thing...
Pssst... It's already a thing!
Guys... the camera, which was prototyped, designed, and tested in just 5 months, is something I have to skip.
Also the loud sounds coming from the camera are a big no-go for me.
I'll wait for V2 instead. With the Quest3 and Apple VR headsets on the horizon, it's evident that this device is not ready for them.
This still feels an expensive risk for something you’ll hopefully see before Christmas Vs something you can try out right now
Your demo uses an external mic. Did you experience any issues with the original audio, such as fan buzz?
Nope, original mic was actually pretty good!
I thought the lenses were what you would look through, that way you can show the pictures/video like they're supposed to be viewed, could be an idea for later.
The best footage I've ever seen of VR180 3D was by NextVR before they were taken over by Apple. Not sure how the quality compares but would probably guess it's similar to a Fujifilm Finepix Real 3D camera but higher resolution.
Does their software provide a means of syncing video from two cameras for 180-degree video?
the video is synced out of the camera, just drop on your editing app and edit.
Like you say, not sure that you can categorise Apple Vision Pro with any 3d camera as there is no way I would wear that on my head just to take a video?
8:21 Does this mean you can’t record 4k and just 6k per chart?
Breakfast for Nancy was shoot on something like this
Your sample file has no vr metadata.
Start with the demonstration...
Who is the manufacturer of this 3D video camera? This company looks very mysterious
For VR180 8K I think it is a starting point... not even like 4K for regular video... because what you don't see also is part of the resolution requirement... so if Apple have ture 4kx4k per eyes... you likely to need 16-18k to be able to see what the best apple got to offer... however... right now UA-cam can only play back 4k... so if you have a 8k demo...still can see only 4k... everytime I watch my own 10k down sample 8k video on UA-cam vr ... it is always a disappointment ...
hmm.. expected more from the sample video
at the apple event some people praised the 180° 3D Video-Examples there..
here: i feel the 3D-effect was not realy that prominent...
only when you get realy close
i used the Pico4 with the build-in Videoplayer to watch it
Hopefully they add 3D support for psvr2.
Can I get the debt data of each frame from this? Anyone knows, please?
you can with an aftermarket app. depth data is not baked into the camera
If you can record at 45fps and then do interpretation after to fps then that would be awesome.
Exactly. AI upscaling of resolution and fps would be awesome.
@@h3xag0nal Thanks, much appreciated 👍
Eh, I would pay the cost of 2 top of the line GoPro's especially since the sensors are about the same size.
It's called 3D stereoscopic lol!
Very expensive for a camera limited to 8 bit video. Especially in 3D space, I would expect 10 bit video.
It´s a not very in depth review... more like a feature show. I think repeating the word professional is not really the best way to present a camera like this. Also the comparison with the other big cams on the market (canon and K2 Pro) shows that this cam has all the lower specs. Also it does not get compared to other new cams that are about to release - for a reason.
IF MRTV wants to compare the Cam to other professional solutions - and talk in depth about it - we are available as a content creator team to check out this cam and compare - in German and English. Based in Berlin. So bring it here and we will put it to a real test ;)
It's not a review.
@@mixedrealityTV Es ist eher (wie gesagt) ein erweitertes unpacking und Werbung. Dabei würde sicher viele interessieren, wie sich die Kamera tatsächlich schlägt. Es ist eine Semi-Profi Zielgruppe... die hat ganz andere Fragen, wie man hier auch lesen kann. Sollte das Gerät noch da sein, würden wir gerne zusammen einen zweiten Teil drehen. Und die Kamera kann zwar Material für die Apple Brille drehen - oder umgekehrt, die Apple Brille kann die 180 Grad darstellen... aber es ist KEIN Ersatz für die Vision Pro, die man vermutlich auch ohne sie auf dem Kopf zu tragen als Kamera nutzen kann. Also nur das Schlagwort Vision Pro zur Klickgenerierung genutzt ;)
@@vrwhatyouwant Es ist eine Produktvorstellung, wie im Video glasklar am Anfang gesagt wurde. Du kannst dir die Qualität der erzeugten Videos selbst anschauen, Link dazu in der Beschreibung! Vielen Dank fürs Schauen und Kommentieren :)
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I would wear a apple vision at a kids event or so. Because I wouldn't miss out as much. With a camera in your hands aiming, you lose touch of the moment. So Apple device still makes sense.
So the price that this 3D camera is at just justifies the AVP price even more!
True.
Don't do kickstarters kids. Still waiting for my Yaw2, might never come.
So what if I just want to watch it on a 4K TV; what would the difference be between footage shot on CALF vs. footage shot on an ultra-wide lens (say 15mm)?
Because lets be real, 99% of people will never use these goofy VR headsets...
Haha... Well the difference is that you are IN the picture. Rather than looking at it.
@@mixedrealityTV OK... I'd like to see some actual footage too. I've watched all the reviews and only found 1 example of actual footage, that doesn't look that different from traditional ultra-wide. Other than that all I see is hype + how good the build quality is. That doesn't convince me.
@@walkandcamera you need to put on one of those goofy VR headsets. But careful, you might actually like it!
@@mixedrealityTV My issue is that I make long form content. I can't imagine anyone wearing those for 3-4 hours straight. It's ok for tik-tok format, but for long form I see no future in VR headsets.
@@walkandcamera people will wear much lighter headsets like they wear their everyday glasses in the not too far future.
@7:33 - who pays for this stuff?
I know someone does.
$2K for 6K. Looks pretty weak to me.
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