SMLE MkIII: The Iconic Smelly of World War One

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    In 1907, the British adopted the final major pattern in the evolution of the Short, Magazine, Lee Enfield. Designated the ShtLE MkIII (Short Lee Enfield) at the time, it would be retroactively renamed Rifle No1 MkIII in the 1920s. This new design was simpler and more durable than its predecessors while actually improving the practical accuracy of the rifle. The rear sight protector wings were substantially strengthened, the front sight became a square post, the front sight protectors were opened up to allow more light in, and the rear sight windage adjustment was simplified - while retailing 1 MOA adjustment clicks and 25m elevation adjustments. A new bayonet was also adopted in 1907 for the MkIII. The previous 1903 pattern bayonet was deemed too short, and the British essentially copied the Japanese Type 30 Arisaka bayonet as its new Pattern 1907 - hooked quillion and all.
    The example we are looking at in today's video is a fantastic specimen, as it was sold out of service to an Australian reservist in 1912 having not received any post-production modifications or updates. It is still sighted for the early MkVI round-nose ammunition, for example, and its bayonet retains the hooked quillion. The rifle's owner died prior to World War One, and the gun remained stored away and forgotten through both World Wars, where virtually all existing service rifles were taken back into service and updated. Only in the 1960s was this one found, making it a pristine collector's example to show how the MkIII was originally produced.
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  • @Scott079
    @Scott079 3 роки тому +795

    The old forgotten under the bed excuse, precursor to I lost them in a boating accident

    • @AndrewDeme
      @AndrewDeme 3 роки тому +63

      Nah us Aussies weren't that paranoid and it probably just sat on top of the wardrobe gathering dust. When I was a primary school kid, my guns were just leaning up against back of the wardrobe, beside where my pants were hung up. Nowadays life is different because idiots with guns kill people but back then it was no big deal.

    • @ryanmalin
      @ryanmalin 3 роки тому +7

      lol trying to come up with excuses when the police are looking for your weapon that was involved in a crime! ha! good times! /s

    • @bantabury
      @bantabury 3 роки тому +23

      The dog ate it.

    • @bannedmann4469
      @bannedmann4469 3 роки тому +46

      @@AndrewDeme You weren't paranoid enough, look what happened.

    • @AndrewDeme
      @AndrewDeme 3 роки тому +20

      @@bannedmann4469 as long as we have singlets, shorts, thongs and a cold beer we will be fine. Given every animal in Australia can kill you, it’s hard to be fazed by too much else.

  • @billbolton
    @billbolton 3 роки тому +608

    '....before they all got slaughtered by artillery.' Unfortunately true.

    • @MausOfTheHouse
      @MausOfTheHouse 3 роки тому +20

      What was the percentage of death by artillery in WW1? 70?

    • @billbolton
      @billbolton 3 роки тому +17

      @@MausOfTheHousearound that figure, yes.

    • @MausOfTheHouse
      @MausOfTheHouse 3 роки тому +19

      @@billbolton Absolutely horrifying

    • @richieb7692
      @richieb7692 3 роки тому +20

      One of the Biggest mistakes of WW1 was The Pals Regiments.
      The idea was that because the whole town was in the same regiment, they will for closer bonds and fight harder looking out for each other.
      In reality, all the men from a town were blown apart by a well aimed artillery barrage.
      This is why the armed forces now deliberately spread people around, and are posted in different units, and different fronts.

    • @kieran2221
      @kieran2221 3 роки тому +4

      I was waiting for that line - I expected it to be 'until they all got killed by machine guns' or similar.

  • @burtuppercut
    @burtuppercut 3 роки тому +842

    "before they all got slaughtered by artillery" gallows humour at it's best.

    • @jp7078
      @jp7078 3 роки тому +64

      That's the short introduction to modern warfare for rifle enthusiasts.

    • @PapaSchultz74
      @PapaSchultz74 3 роки тому +52

      Unfortunately it's true... most of the very best soldiers on all sides died in the first months of the war.

    • @blakexu4943
      @blakexu4943 3 роки тому +11

      I mean its really more of a cavalcade of shells that did them in. Using slaughter is just so unrefined.

    • @comradeurod9805
      @comradeurod9805 3 роки тому +25

      @@blakexu4943 but thats what happened. I associate getting shredded by shrapnell as slaughtered

    • @blakexu4943
      @blakexu4943 3 роки тому +3

      @@comradeurod9805 its a lot less personal when it comes to artillery i guess. Of course that's the gallows humor talking.

  • @TheBuccaneer1975
    @TheBuccaneer1975 3 роки тому +1728

    From this we can establish that Aussies only vacuum under their bed every 45 years.

    • @ArifRWinandar
      @ArifRWinandar 3 роки тому +174

      Considering under the bed is the domain of spiders and snakes and scorpions, you would think they would want to clean it more often.

    • @RiderOftheNorth1968
      @RiderOftheNorth1968 3 роки тому +73

      @@ArifRWinandar Or like NEVER!!!!! If they are TOO afraid.

    • @aftp4i94
      @aftp4i94 3 роки тому +178

      @@ArifRWinandar As an Aussie I can say that sticking your hand in dimly lit places under things is just asking for a screaming painful death.

    • @enemysub9057
      @enemysub9057 3 роки тому +138

      Not only are there spiders under the bed but they tend to be quite well armed

    • @jackmatthews939
      @jackmatthews939 3 роки тому +24

      Waiting on the Vacuum Cleaner to be invented...

  • @jebdunkins6796
    @jebdunkins6796 3 роки тому +665

    This is literally a forgotten weapon

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons 3 роки тому +1

      Not anymore

    • @juulcat8975
      @juulcat8975 3 роки тому +10

      I never forgot it, well it’s also my fav ww1 weapon

    • @achillebelanger9866
      @achillebelanger9866 3 роки тому +3

      Not by me.I own two of them

    • @juulcat8975
      @juulcat8975 3 роки тому +1

      @@achillebelanger9866 plllzzzzzzz give me one😩😩😩😩😩😩

    • @justinbarbee5917
      @justinbarbee5917 3 роки тому

      I have a modified Pak version in 7.62/51.... I kinda bubbed it up but it's still one of the most accurate rifles I've ever had the pleasure of squeezing a round off of.... The.303 just doesn't have the power the 7.62 has...

  • @thomasborgsmidt9801
    @thomasborgsmidt9801 3 роки тому +319

    "Forgotten Weapons" - well, look in the attic!

    • @3ducs
      @3ducs 3 роки тому +9

      And plastered into walls.

    • @thomas316
      @thomas316 3 роки тому +19

      Often happens in Britain, someone is renovating a house and finds their great grandfathers old service revolver or similar.

    • @thomasborgsmidt9801
      @thomasborgsmidt9801 3 роки тому +6

      @@thomas316 My uncle - he was in the resistance - had two of the large black plastic sacks removed after his death. The police was glad to get them out of the way - they knew he had something; but my uncle most certainly would not again be taken without a fight.

    • @guaporeturns9472
      @guaporeturns9472 3 роки тому +4

      @@thomasborgsmidt9801 what resistance? There has been a lot of "resistance" in the last century.

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 3 роки тому +3

      That's where my dad kept his rifle for years.

  • @tomyorke3412
    @tomyorke3412 3 роки тому +432

    Who's the bestist cutest bolt action rifle ever made, yes you are yes you are. Who gets all the kibble and gun oil that's right you. Such a good boy.

    • @PapaSchultz74
      @PapaSchultz74 3 роки тому +24

      Yes you are yes you are (until your brother n4 comes home)

    • @juulcat8975
      @juulcat8975 3 роки тому +4

      @@PapaSchultz74 ah shit

    • @mongoose4117
      @mongoose4117 3 роки тому +1

      Perfect!😝

  • @martiniv8924
    @martiniv8924 3 роки тому +206

    Under the bed ?, a neighbour passed away in our street in the early 70’s, they found a small cardboard suitcase under his bed with a Webley 38, plus ammo, and 4 mills hand grenades , glad we never hassled him on Halloween 🎃 😂

    • @krisskringle920
      @krisskringle920 3 роки тому +22

      dude could've taken on the local police and become the defacto leader of your town with that kinda firepower!

    • @dzonbrodi514
      @dzonbrodi514 3 роки тому

      @@thecommissaruk What was her name?

    • @karvast5726
      @karvast5726 3 роки тому

      I don't know if that is true because i did not see it but my stepmother family had picked up a german pistol in ww2 and kept it for a long time,at some point someone trewh it in the trash because they didn't want any gun in the house.

    • @martiniv8924
      @martiniv8924 3 роки тому +2

      @@krisskringle920 he could, he was a kind of gentleman type of character , and 5 minutes drive away was 21 SAS special forces 😆

    • @Vodkasnez
      @Vodkasnez 3 роки тому +3

      You throw eggs at his house, he throws a grenade back

  • @dbracer
    @dbracer 3 роки тому +357

    The whole idea of a draft-dodging SMLE rifle amuses me.

    • @jamesinman7670
      @jamesinman7670 3 роки тому +3

      Same as saying Smelly to say S.M.L.E. Really fast is easier to say than Each letter or the full name

    • @IceWolfLoki
      @IceWolfLoki 3 роки тому

      It was in Australia so it was safe from being drafted in WW1 and until mid-1942 in WW2 and then only for service within Australia and it's territories which unfortunately for some conscripts included the just invaded PNG whilst most of the regular Army forces were stuck in North Africa.

    • @deathbyastonishment7930
      @deathbyastonishment7930 3 роки тому

      @@IceWolfLoki conscripts? That doesn’t sound right, the PNG soldiers were the reserves, I don’t believe Australia has ever had conscription unless I’m mistaken

    • @IceWolfLoki
      @IceWolfLoki 3 роки тому +4

      ​@@deathbyastonishment7930 the soldiers sent to PNG were AIF (Regular Army) and CMF (Reserves) from 1942 you could be conscripted into the CMF but the CMF could initially only serve within Australian Territory (like the UK's Home Guard) but as stated Australian Territory included PNG at the time and they had no other soldiers available in the emergency.

    • @waveman1500
      @waveman1500 3 роки тому +6

      @@deathbyastonishment7930 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Australia
      Ask anyone who remembers the Vietnam War.
      Australia had conscription for WW1, WW2, the Korean War and the Vietnam War.

  • @jeramyw
    @jeramyw 3 роки тому +283

    What a beautiful piece of engineering. Full length stock and handguard, a chunk of steel at one end, and a chunk of brass at the other. One of the best looking bolt guns ever.

    • @balham456
      @balham456 3 роки тому +35

      THE best looking bolt action - ever.

    • @jeramyw
      @jeramyw 3 роки тому +21

      @@balham456 I agree but didn't want to start controversy.

    • @baobo67
      @baobo67 3 роки тому +11

      @@balham456 The best bolt action battle rifle ever. (and the No4)

    • @tays8306
      @tays8306 3 роки тому +9

      @@baobo67
      As a commonwealther, I agree.
      Add the FN hi power to that list too.

    • @baobo67
      @baobo67 3 роки тому +6

      @@tays8306 Right and the Owen Gun. See Ian's take on it. Makes me proud to be an Aussie.

  • @SaucyAlfredo
    @SaucyAlfredo 3 роки тому +115

    Thank you Australian reservist for “forgetting” where your gun was

    • @russcole5685
      @russcole5685 3 роки тому +9

      He didn't forget, he died before the out break of WW1, as Ian said in his first line of speach

    • @stevenlee798
      @stevenlee798 3 роки тому +2

      We'd like it back......thanks.🤓

  • @rodrigodepierola
    @rodrigodepierola 3 роки тому +76

    I'm picturing the Bloke and the Chap just drooling over that rifle.

    • @MrSaerrock
      @MrSaerrock 3 роки тому +7

      They & any collector or shooter in Australia with any interest in the 303..😮

    • @COMPOSITE.02
      @COMPOSITE.02 3 роки тому +4

      "Roight, propah Firearm."

    • @myparceltape1169
      @myparceltape1169 3 роки тому

      They are not the only ones drooling over that lovely specimen.
      Ian has sold me on something I dare not handle.

  • @mrbismarck
    @mrbismarck 3 роки тому +87

    "I had a boating accident under my bed."

  • @rycroft2557
    @rycroft2557 3 роки тому +80

    Just saw one of these in my local gun store for only 675! its dated 1916 and in really solid condition. Such an impulse buy and I do not regret my purchase one bit even if finding ammo for it will be tough.

    • @carebear6179
      @carebear6179 2 роки тому +3

      I reload mine, it's the same year as yours. I use H 4350 awesome groups, use heavier bullets, like 180s.

    • @thomaslikescars
      @thomaslikescars 2 роки тому +1

      My local gun shop has one for $300 and condition is fine. Not perfect and kind of clunky but I think more than a good deal. Probably buy it today assuming it's still there

    • @russwoodward8251
      @russwoodward8251 2 роки тому

      Impulse buy here too. Just bought a No. 1 MK 3 from Royal Tiger Imports.

    • @LegacyLoot
      @LegacyLoot Рік тому

      ​@@russwoodward8251 How does that rifle seem? I've been looking at buying one from that site

  • @rautavaara9194
    @rautavaara9194 3 роки тому +226

    The British: "We have the most elite, most sophisticated sense of humour."
    Also the British: "This abbreviation almost spells smelly, HAHA!"

    • @Reactordrone
      @Reactordrone 3 роки тому +15

      Must be why they changed from ShtLE.

    • @JohnHughesChampigny
      @JohnHughesChampigny 3 роки тому +9

      'Ah, this must be the famous Ankh-Morpork sense of humour, yes?’
      ‘No, that was just irony,’ Vimes shouted, still looking for an arboreal escape route. ‘You’ll know when we’ve got on to the famous Ankh-Morpork sense of humour when I start talking about breasts and farting, you smug bastard!' -- Pterry

    • @AtheistOrphan
      @AtheistOrphan 3 роки тому +7

      @@thecommissaruk - Same here, I come from a British army family and have only recently heard it referred to as such. It’s always been the ‘letters’ as you describe.

    • @etherealhawk
      @etherealhawk 3 роки тому

      @@JohnHughesChampigny nice reference

    • @TheArgieH
      @TheArgieH 2 роки тому +1

      @@thecommissaruk Even worse I heard somebody trying to explain it was because of the smell of the gun oil. Oh deary me!

  • @segrientboar5954
    @segrientboar5954 3 роки тому +106

    This rifle remained in Australian service through the Korean War and early in the Malayan Emergency also, until replaced by the L1A1 SLR (FN FAL) in the late 1950's.

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 3 роки тому +1

      I'm surprised gun jesus missed that!

    • @commiecrusher
      @commiecrusher 3 роки тому

      I've read stories about Canadians in Korea kicking some serious commie ass with SHTLE's.

    • @allangibson2408
      @allangibson2408 3 роки тому +1

      SMLE’s were manufactured at Lithgow until 1955.

    • @georgesheffield1580
      @georgesheffield1580 Рік тому +1

      And in India until they changed to the 2A and in South Africa ( made in both places ) .

  • @badnewsBH
    @badnewsBH 3 роки тому +74

    Thanks very much to the owner that let Ian get his greedy little mitts on this beauty. You are a champion of history, sir.

  • @andrewreynolds9371
    @andrewreynolds9371 3 роки тому +119

    British soldier draws his bayonet and yells to Japanese soldier "Mine's bigger than yours!"

    • @HuckOrris
      @HuckOrris 3 роки тому +38

      The Australian: "That's not a bayonet. THAT'S a bayonet."

    • @generalwoundwort8191
      @generalwoundwort8191 3 роки тому +24

      " They don't like it up'um "

    • @callumwilliams1449
      @callumwilliams1449 3 роки тому +14

      Any bigger and it's a bayonet with a rifle attachment.

    • @recoilrob324
      @recoilrob324 3 роки тому +12

      @@callumwilliams1449 A little understood factoid about the bayonet choice was that at that time cavalry was still a big part of the military and those buggers had a tendency to ride through infantrymen whilst hacking them to pieces with their sabers. The rifle and bayonet needed to be long enough to reach, stick and unseat these fellows from their mounts and when they went to the shorter rifle they needed the longer bayonet to equal the old rifle which was just long enough to do the job. When cavalry units became a thing of the past the need for such a long bayonet was eliminated and many went to something shorter being more maneuverable and easier to use.

    • @stephenjones6500
      @stephenjones6500 3 роки тому +9

      The Japanese would've stuck a bayonet on the yamato's 18" guns if they could .

  • @myang245
    @myang245 3 роки тому +50

    Doug Demuro has "THISSS"
    Ian McCullom has "and today we are looking at...."

    • @rtankard
      @rtankard 3 роки тому +16

      Ian is the kind of guy to have two identical SMLE rifles but still know many quirks and features between them. Maybe he should do an Ian score at the end if each video...

  • @24879067marshall
    @24879067marshall 3 роки тому +65

    used those in the school boy army cadets. at 13 years of age it kicked like a mule. Great rifle and fairly accurate with little trigger time.

    • @dp-sr1fd
      @dp-sr1fd 3 роки тому +11

      I remember using it in the air cadets and, as a bony 14 year old, it kicked painfully hard. I was enjoying myself so much i didn't feel a thing.

    • @h.walker1332
      @h.walker1332 3 роки тому +8

      @@dp-sr1fd Then they converted them to .22 for some reason.

    • @dp-sr1fd
      @dp-sr1fd 3 роки тому +11

      @@h.walker1332 I also used the no 8 .22 trainer. I would love to have one of those now. There are thousands still in storage and I think the plan is to scrap them. I wish they could be saved somehow.

    • @h.walker1332
      @h.walker1332 3 роки тому +3

      @@dp-sr1fd I mean they are definitely the heaviest most oversized .22 rifles in the world.

    • @enemysub9057
      @enemysub9057 3 роки тому +4

      A guy I worked with said he used to take his rifle home with him on the train when he was a cadet. It was definitely a different time. I don't even think they let cadets handle real firearms these days.

  • @joeinfax4190
    @joeinfax4190 3 роки тому +12

    Great video, I learned to spell it SMeLEe as a training aid to remember Short Magazine Lee Enfield for testing.
    For me the smellee is sentimental and I remember when I was a kid in Army Cadets and the first time I was on the rifle party for the Remembrance Day ceremony. We usually trained with air rifles, the Lee-Enfield C#7 (.22 cal) and the FN so the only time the SMLEs came out was for rifle party drill training. It was a real treat marching through town in our battledress with that rifle on our shoulder, until we halted at the cenotaph to see the serious faces of the veterans. They were in that other world as the Last Post was played and we fired the Salute. The many Names of the Fallen from our small town were spoken again, wreaths laid, speeches read, the poem recited, they were led in prayer and sang the Anthem and then they were dismissed until the eleventh hour of the eleventh day of the eleventh month.
    Afterwards we returned the rifles to a vault in a storage room in the Legion Hall, that was accessed via the bar room. When we were done we entered the bar to see the veterans gathered. Our adult officers went to speak with them and we were told to sit at a table and behave ourselves. The older cadets that had been on the rifle party before relaxed but the rest of us fidgeted like the kids in a bar that we were, when to our surprise the bartender approached carrying a tray with beer glasses and two pitchers of beer. "Compliments of the Members for a job well done" he said as he emptied the tray. The older Cadets thanked him and the Members and filled the glasses as us kids scanned the room for our adult officers, to see that they had humanely departed. This is great I thought as I raised my glass, only to meet the stern gaze of Mr. Harrison, my Science teacher, sitting at the bar. Very British, he ran a strict but fair classroom in a no nonsense manner that would never tolerate mixing beer and students. He must have seen my panic because instead of pulling me by the ear from my chair as I half expected he simply raised his glass. Surprised, I raised mine to him, he smiled, we drank and then he turned to his friends at the bar. Most of the veterans were in small groups quietly talking or just thinking and after our drinks were finished we quietly left to walk into a chill November day.
    Call me sentimental but the SMLE will always remind me of the first time I drank amongst men.

  • @HGZinc
    @HGZinc 3 роки тому +44

    If ever my grandmother took you to the fair, the best part of the trip was getting her to have a go on the shooting gallery, because she was an amazing shot. Why? Because her father had been in the BEF during the first world war and had taught her how to shoot. He'd actually been an artilleryman, but that didn't get you out of rifle practice in the BEF.
    She also learned to drive during the second world war when she served as an engine driver in the fire service during the Manchester Blitz. Amazing person and I miss her very much, even if her driving skills were slightly terrifying.

    • @bruceinoz8002
      @bruceinoz8002 3 роки тому +10

      "Drive like you are being bombed!"

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 3 роки тому +3

      Didn't the queen have much the same driving history? And a penchant for terrifying guests with it?

  • @dukkha62
    @dukkha62 3 роки тому +13

    In Australia, the hook quillon bayonet is usually worth far more than the SMLE rifle itself as they are so rare.

    • @isaacharkton6169
      @isaacharkton6169 3 роки тому

      Should we nuke Australia?

    • @henrychambers5229
      @henrychambers5229 3 роки тому +1

      True, very rare. That bayonet is the most expensive thing on the table

  • @kubrick1969
    @kubrick1969 3 роки тому +16

    When I was a child thought than the bayonet plug was the barrel... what a beautiful weapon!!!

  • @dreamingflurry2729
    @dreamingflurry2729 3 роки тому +29

    And gun-jesus preached to the masses of the holy SMLE and the masses cheered and gave a mass salute with their assorted blessed weapons! :D - Seriously, always great to watch someone who knows something I am interested in talk - especially the little anecdotes and side-stories! Good investment of a little money on Patreon :)

  • @AwesomeFantasyXI
    @AwesomeFantasyXI 3 роки тому +36

    My Great Grandfather served over in Egypt during WW1. Was issued a SMLE and in his war time diary he even mentions the rifle number, Though I dont think it is the serial number, probably a rack or ID number (WL70 (there is then the number 105 but I dont know if that is crossed out or underlined so it could be WL70 or WL70105). He also listed his bayonet number which was 184, again probably just some ID or rack number for the regiment he was in (Essex Regiment). Though I still think it would be amazing to actually find his service rifle but I know that this is unlikely.

  • @klaassiersma4892
    @klaassiersma4892 3 роки тому +13

    I love those lee enfield's, my dad used one of those enfield jungle carabines in Indonesia ( the Brits aperantly sold a bunch of them to the Netherlands after the second world war)

  • @plymouth5714
    @plymouth5714 3 роки тому +1

    That is one beautiful conditioned Smelly! I have a 1914 LSA No1 MkIII, sadly deactivated. She was in her 'through two world wars and more' state when I purchased her having gone through 'EY' (only to be fired in an emergency, ie, some Nazi is kicking down your front door) to the full 'DP' (stamped over the EY for Drill Purpose only) I spent years sourcing the bits she'd lost over the decades to re-build her back to 1914 - windage sights, correct front nose cap and piling swivel and front and rear volley sights. A full de-rust and re-bluing so now she looks almost as good as your example. She may never fire again to defend the home, but the old bayonet still works! Great video and thanks for it!

  • @bobsmoot2392
    @bobsmoot2392 3 роки тому +5

    When I was a kid (1960s) our family vacationed in Ontario. In sporting goods stores, these were stuffed in garbage cans with sign: "Your choice $7". "Bayonets: $1.50".

  • @Joncom98
    @Joncom98 3 роки тому +8

    You’ve made so many videos on the different types of enfields and the variances between them that I’m mentally checking off the differences between them as the video continues now.

  • @samjames1253
    @samjames1253 3 роки тому +30

    The smoothest rifle I've ever shot. Beautiful

    • @supertom8552
      @supertom8552 3 роки тому +1

      I have a 1943 mark 3 series 4 star , sporterized beautiful gun was my dads 😪 shoots great 👍

    • @assasin377
      @assasin377 3 роки тому +3

      @@supertom8552 >sporterised
      visible disgust.jpg

  • @matthewtait3782
    @matthewtait3782 2 роки тому +1

    My first deer rifle that got as a teen I inherited from my grandpa, he bought it in 1958 from the local Army and Navy store. It’s a mildly sporterized (unfortunately) 1942 Lithgow build No 1 Mk III, I still have it and still shoot it. They’re an absolutely beautiful rifle to handle, the action is smooth as silk. I only upgraded later due to the weight, even cut down it’s a hefty rifle to carry all day.
    I inherited it with the only box of ammo that my grandpa got for it, and it only had 5 rounds put through it before me (plus service use). The bore still looks and feels like new, and it’s still extremely accurate. The barrel appears to be intact as it still retains the bayonet lug, but they cut the front wood hand guard down a bit to look more ‘modern’. We own several No 4 Mk I’s as well, and to be honest I prefer the feel of the No 1 Mk III much better.

  • @astropictures4396
    @astropictures4396 3 роки тому +8

    This has got to be my favourite weapon of all time.

  • @christianstahl4099
    @christianstahl4099 3 роки тому +1

    It really is a remarkable ability to make a video about the umptienth iteration/variant of a well-known rifle interesting for people who are not hardcore collectors or enthusiasts. Mr. McCollum could certainly explain snow to eskimos, and still find a happy audience.

  • @martingardener90
    @martingardener90 3 роки тому +9

    Interesting to see the Wilkinson marking on the bayonet and that the company who excelled in swords and bayonets still is a thriving today - they've just added more blades!

  • @ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524
    @ruaraidhmcdonald-walker9524 3 роки тому +1

    Crikey a Lee Enfield!! We had these as Cadets at school (Scoltand) in the 80s. Bored for 7.62 NATO for full bore shooting and the Nr8 for 22LR shooting on the school range. Gave me a lifelong love of shooting! Beautiful rifle.

  • @parrotraiser6541
    @parrotraiser6541 3 роки тому +23

    That particular piece may hay been forgotten, but the generic SMLE III must be the LEAST "forgotte" weapon Ian's ever shown, with the possible exception of 1911s and Thompsons

    • @HerbiieIsBest
      @HerbiieIsBest 3 роки тому +3

      I mean this particular rifle was forgotten under the bed sooo

  • @gaza102289
    @gaza102289 2 роки тому +1

    I was walking around town today and found myself at the war museum we have. After just muttering to myself "oh it's a bullpup" about one of the rifles one of the custodians asked if I'd like to hold them.
    Next thing I know I'm holding one of these rifles. Over 100 years old and apparently used in wartime. I'm amazed at how heavy they are. Soldiers held them all day back then and my shoulder starts hurting after half a minute.
    Then they handed me a bren gun. I could barely shoulder it more than a few seconds.
    Really opened my eyes.

  • @culshie
    @culshie 3 роки тому +39

    Christmas is over and yet Ian is still giving Old Soldiers of the Queen gifts. Huzza!!!

  • @briantayler1230
    @briantayler1230 3 роки тому +1

    I was an army cadet while at high school in Brisbane Australia 1069-71. Our armoury had 300 MKIII rifles and several Bren guns. I remember the MKIII well and all were made 1914-18. This brings back memories.

  • @johno9507
    @johno9507 3 роки тому +18

    I own a 1908 built Australian Mk3 SMLE .303 Lee Enfield that was used by my great uncle in Gallipoli and later in France during WW1.
    I still fire this gun regularly (with surplus 1942 ammo) and is still the most accurate long distance rifle I've fired.
    My best shot was a wild pig at 950 yards using only the adjustable ramp sights (at its elevation limit)...and I have witnesses! ☺️
    There's something very special about using something with so much history attached. 🇦🇺

  • @the80hdgaming
    @the80hdgaming 3 роки тому +1

    I have a sporterized mk. III*, dated 1918 with matching, 4-digit serial numbers, bolt and rifle.. I inherited it from my grandfather. I love firing it. Dead accurate to 250 yards and the action is as smooth as the day it came off the line. I would love to discuss it's stamps with you some time...

  • @3ducs
    @3ducs 3 роки тому +17

    I can't be the only one confused by SMLE nomenclature. Marks and numbers and stars oh my, makes my head spin.

    • @Hybris51129
      @Hybris51129 3 роки тому +2

      Welcome to the British armament system. Be sure to carry a reference book and take lots of notes.

    • @PapaSchultz74
      @PapaSchultz74 3 роки тому +2

      It's really simple: mk xx it's a major change on the previous version, star it's a small change that does not deserve a new number.

    • @TheCoyote808
      @TheCoyote808 3 роки тому +3

      @@Hybris51129 I'm curious to see his reaction to the US Army's different armament designation systems for LITERALLY everything. And then introduce him to the largely overlapping NAVAL Designation system. And then the National Stock Numbering System (NSN)... I'll wait.

    • @beyer6029
      @beyer6029 3 роки тому +1

      @@TheCoyote808 What M1.... that cover most thing right?

  • @k.r.baylor8825
    @k.r.baylor8825 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you, Ian, for finally doing a segment on my favorite rifle of all time. My three are treasured possessions.

  • @setesh1294
    @setesh1294 3 роки тому +3

    I have one of these from 1918. It's a gorgeous rifle. Not nearly as well kept as this one, but good enough for me.

  • @BerndFelsche
    @BerndFelsche 3 роки тому +3

    I was lucky enough to have several SMLE in my hands while I was an (Australian) Army Cadet in the first half of the 1970's. Oldest was stamped 1918 and the youngest 1943 (IIRC). We got to fire them sometimes and depending on weather and ammunition, one could watch the slow rounds spin through the damp morning air on its way to the target.
    Stories are told of how the SMLE were cut up and dumped offshore (5 Military District in Western Australia) when the government closed down Army Cadets in 1975/76..

  • @astondriver
    @astondriver 3 роки тому +6

    Dont forget the kiwis. And the maori battalion used the long bayonet to great effect on Crete.

  • @TheNextGreatApe
    @TheNextGreatApe 3 роки тому +2

    The first time I saw a WW1 mk3 Enfield was as a teenager about 1980 or so when I was into old cars and hotrodding. The owner of a local auto scrap yard I frequented kept one loaded behind his counter - he lived in the back and would use it to shoot at thieves trying to steal parts at night.

  • @jmullner76
    @jmullner76 3 роки тому +14

    Somewhere a Bloke smiles and an Othais goes "meh."

  • @scrubsrc4084
    @scrubsrc4084 3 роки тому +94

    Marketing team. " we need a cool abbreviation for our product"
    The british- "snigger"

    • @jeffslote9671
      @jeffslote9671 3 роки тому +6

      I had to read your post twice. I thought you said something else

    • @scrubsrc4084
      @scrubsrc4084 3 роки тому +8

      @@jeffslote9671 yep, i had to triple check my auto correct made numerous questionable suggestions to me lol

    • @hunterprokurat9909
      @hunterprokurat9909 3 роки тому

      Had to do a retake on that lmao

    • @NicOlas-yc5vw
      @NicOlas-yc5vw 3 роки тому +1

      My friend had a dog named "Snickers" every time they called for him it sounded racist

    • @stephenjones6500
      @stephenjones6500 3 роки тому +3

      Look if we can call a ship" boaty mcboatface" we can call a rifle a smelly . bleedin politicians spoiling our fun.

  • @johnlevingston3122
    @johnlevingston3122 Рік тому +5

    The stock has "CMF" also stamped which means "Citizens Military Forces".

  • @sergeykoshelev4566
    @sergeykoshelev4566 3 роки тому +4

    It's a great luck, that this rifle has been found by one, who actually knew what it is. And it has not been destroyed or sporterised instead. Thank you, goodman.

  • @sr633
    @sr633 3 роки тому +9

    In a West Virginia hardware store in 1960 you could buy one of these rifles for $10 ! They had Russian bolt action rifle too for the same money.

  • @quentinhoover7418
    @quentinhoover7418 3 роки тому +3

    One of the cleanest time capsules I have ever seen, amazing

  • @kraaidievoel
    @kraaidievoel 2 роки тому +1

    I have one (no 1 markIII) my grandfather bout it in the '50s and use it to hunt Kudu then my father took it over and fit a scope and use it as his bushveld rifle, I got it from him in the 2000s and took of the scope and used it on kudu once... and worthogs a couple of times (with open sites)
    Great piece of history

  • @impliedtomato8760
    @impliedtomato8760 3 роки тому +6

    I really love this rifle, it was the first rifle I ever bought. 1916 mkiii*

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
    @thedevilinthecircuit1414 Рік тому

    The knurling on the front sight guards helps reduce reflected light/glare and makes the target easier to see.

  • @tekumeku2244
    @tekumeku2244 3 роки тому +44

    And the Design would be so successful that it would continue to see service even to this day.
    And Best Hiding spot ever for a gun, just casually stuck under the bed XD

    • @Stevarooni
      @Stevarooni 3 роки тому +1

      I think the Indians were the last to drop it from regular service, until 2018.

    • @ajvotto6901
      @ajvotto6901 3 роки тому +1

      Nono- Under an Aussie's bed. Dangerous place that.

    • @AshleyPomeroy
      @AshleyPomeroy 3 роки тому +1

      @@Stevarooni I think there was a unit in Canada that used them until last year - for bears. Some kind of arctic patrol unit. They were using .303 MkIVs though.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 3 роки тому

      @@AshleyPomeroy The unit you're talking about is the Canadian Rangers. They're a Reserve Force tasked with sovereignty patrols and inspections of NWS sites ( North Warning Systems ) .
      And you are correct . They were issued the No 4 Lee Enfield from 1947 to 2015 were it was replaced with the C19. All currently serving Canadian Rangers were than officially gifted their No 4s.

    • @Hjerte_Verke
      @Hjerte_Verke 3 роки тому

      @@AshleyPomeroy Using the early nomenclature that Ian was using, those Enfields would be called Mk1s. But now they're known as No. 4 Mk. 1. Confusing for sure but easy to learn...

  • @chellybub
    @chellybub 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you generous gun collector 💜

  • @OutsideTheTargetDemographic
    @OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 роки тому +4

    I recently found the "C&rsenal" channel, so this is a great refresher on the knowledge I'm starting to gain. 👍

  • @maxcelcat
    @maxcelcat 25 днів тому

    Hello from Australia! What an interesting story behind this rifle! I'm a bit sad it's not in a museum here, but glad to see it's being looked after.

  • @justarandommalayboi8231
    @justarandommalayboi8231 3 роки тому +6

    I think I love this rifle too much...

  • @walterdenny8143
    @walterdenny8143 3 роки тому +2

    Actually got one of these, an Ishapore ShtLE mK. III bought it for 100$, of course it’s been heavily sportified, the charger bridge is gone, bayonet lug, the sights and instead have some third party sights crudely welded on, And the stocks been heavily modified. Still fires just fine tho.

  • @GarrettsGear
    @GarrettsGear 3 роки тому +6

    This gun played a massive part in the shaping of the modern world. Even back in the early Call of Duty days, i always loved the look of the Lee Enfield Rifle.

  • @NoName-ds5uq
    @NoName-ds5uq 3 роки тому +1

    My grandfather had one of these before WWII which was requisitioned for the war effort. He said he got it back after the war and after his demobilisation from the AIF, but said it never was the same. His language was more colourful…

  • @johnabts7926
    @johnabts7926 3 роки тому +141

    I give thanks for being so early to today's gospel

  • @67daffy
    @67daffy 3 роки тому +1

    In 1987 when i served in the RAN i was in Darwin at the time and there was a whole bunch of SMLE still wrapped in wax paper and cosmolene in the armory. They initially put them up for bids/sale to those who had the correct gun license of which i was one. I put in for 2 @ $50 each, won it then the stupid Hoddle St massacre happened the navy got all scared and scraped the sale.

  • @MRFlackAttack1
    @MRFlackAttack1 3 роки тому +17

    Swear to god, I was looking up stuff about the SMLE mkIII earlier today, specifically because it’s what Australia was using through WW1 & 2, and now only a few hours later Ian publishes this. How did he know? Is Ian some kind of wizard?

    • @amorphoussolid8512
      @amorphoussolid8512 3 роки тому +4

      Considering how many times I've seen the same thing happen to other people my response would be yes, yes he is mate! A damn good one too!

    • @lesjames5191
      @lesjames5191 3 роки тому +1

      Definitely a wizard! Dress Ian in medieval clothes with his hair style and beard he would look like Merlin.

    • @richardelliott9511
      @richardelliott9511 2 роки тому

      He did it to me but on the darker side. He did a video on an antique S&W revolver just like one I was bidding for on Gun Broker. The bids suddenly spiked after the video posted. Fotunately the market calmed down for the next one and I was able to get that one...

    • @simonblair-beal3952
      @simonblair-beal3952 Рік тому

      Australia also used it in the Korean war.

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 3 роки тому +2

    Thank you , Ian .

  • @kylesonter1400
    @kylesonter1400 3 роки тому +5

    Got into an argument when I was trying to look for a second hand Lee with a dude who said the crown was for sold out of service. Wasn't certain till this one as I've never seen an Australian Lee so thank you greatly mate!

    • @nevillewebb6259
      @nevillewebb6259 3 роки тому +1

      The 1st Australian made SMLE wasnt until June 1913 at the Lithgow NSW factory, the arrows mean sold to public but not guaranteed to be serviceable.

    • @kylesonter1400
      @kylesonter1400 3 роки тому

      @@nevillewebb6259 True God, thank you for the tid bit of info!

  • @altamiradorable
    @altamiradorable 3 роки тому +2

    You should talk about all the SMLE that were found in a warehouse complete still in their wax wrapping !!

  • @cenzgullo3097
    @cenzgullo3097 3 роки тому +5

    Love the SMLE documentary.

  • @ekim000
    @ekim000 3 роки тому +1

    What an absolute gem! Big ups to the collector for allowing Ian to show it off.

  • @samplunkett852
    @samplunkett852 3 роки тому +5

    Pretty sure this is why my grandpa had his Enfield from National Serviced in the fifties... he lost it under his bed

  • @SafetyProMalta
    @SafetyProMalta 3 роки тому +2

    What a beauty..
    The homily to the B.E.F was appreciated. The Death of the "Old contemptibles" best trained British Army ever put into the field

    • @stephenjones6500
      @stephenjones6500 3 роки тому +1

      The germans thought they were facing massed machine guns at the battle of mons .mostly it was the smle which caused the carnage . and the british mad minute .

  • @HouseholdDog
    @HouseholdDog 3 роки тому +3

    It's in beautiful condition.

  • @nickwarne
    @nickwarne 3 роки тому

    Back in the mid-1970s, we shot SMLE No.4 fitted with Parker-Hale vernier sights, in my high school shooting team. Did you know the rifles came in three different butt lengths? At the end of the summer term we shot against other schools in the Ashburton Cup at Bisley. The vee-bull was five inches across, and one could hit it reliably at 400 yards. As a sport, it sure beat cricket!

  • @mattberry4457
    @mattberry4457 3 роки тому

    in the early nineties the company i worked for imported 36000 lithgow enfields from australia. we had fourteen days to record and stamp each one. my job was to hand stamp each one with a hammer and stamp with an import mark. it was ia co sac ca. i whacked my thumb a number of times but it was a lot better than unloading the trucks handing them to me and stacking them on pallets.

  • @jimph1966
    @jimph1966 3 роки тому +6

    I will never forget the look my wife gave me when I announced we were going to a gun show to look for "smelly strippers"...

  • @Tom-lm2tc
    @Tom-lm2tc 3 роки тому +1

    If anyone is curious, the CMF on the stock stands for Citizens Military Force, which was the former name of the army reserve/militia of Australia

    • @peterlazzari3950
      @peterlazzari3950 3 роки тому

      Although in one book of skennerton it is said to be commonwealth military forces.

  • @hooligan1179
    @hooligan1179 3 роки тому +6

    He was saving it under the bed for WW3

  • @jerryz_here3614
    @jerryz_here3614 3 роки тому +1

    Both the gun and its story are beautiful

  • @kingkonut
    @kingkonut 3 роки тому +13

    I've seen these still in the hands of Indian police, along with revolvers that look like webleys. Perhaps they are all Ishapores.

    • @anthonyhayes1267
      @anthonyhayes1267 3 роки тому +2

      I can't wait for them to surplus the rest of those

    • @TasDave
      @TasDave 3 роки тому

      Ishapore 2A1 or SMLE that have been converted to .410

  • @hiramabiff885
    @hiramabiff885 3 роки тому

    To this day the most magnificent bolt-action military rifle. My Lithgow SMLE MK III (new unfired in original wrap) shot a 2.5 inch group at 300 yards with the first load of surplus ammunition. That being said, I was a sniper and the group was 3 inches left and four inches down out of the grease. Doped-in she is 1.5 MOA all day long.

  • @dustinshadle732
    @dustinshadle732 3 роки тому +4

    the Mounties in Canada used SMLE rifles for bear protection until recently

    • @wafflehousez
      @wafflehousez 3 роки тому

      Canadian Rangers also used them.

    • @yowie0889
      @yowie0889 3 роки тому

      Surely a grizzly bear can protect itself just fine.

  • @PeterNissen878112
    @PeterNissen878112 3 роки тому +1

    All I can say is thank goodness this rifle escape Australia and the gun purges of 1996. How many rifles of this condition and historical relevance were melted down post the Port Arthur gun hysteria will NEVER be known and are now forever lost!

  • @sushikazuki5945
    @sushikazuki5945 3 роки тому +27

    Last time I was this early, the Germans were marching into Belgium

    • @Dafmeister1978
      @Dafmeister1978 3 роки тому +2

      Which time?

    • @AshleyPomeroy
      @AshleyPomeroy 3 роки тому

      ... the German high command was intently studying train timetables.

  • @turbogerbil2935
    @turbogerbil2935 3 роки тому +1

    The "No2 rifle" designation was used for the .22"RF training version of the SMLE. Thats why the fullbore rifles are the No1, No3 (P14), No4, No5.

  • @stevejones1488
    @stevejones1488 3 роки тому +4

    Those hook bayonets are worth a mint

    • @dp-sr1fd
      @dp-sr1fd 3 роки тому +2

      Both rifle and bayonet with that provenance I would think would be worth about £2000 in the UK. Maybe more, who knows.

    • @stevejones1488
      @stevejones1488 3 роки тому +1

      @@dp-sr1fd that bayonet alone is worth 4 grand

    • @dp-sr1fd
      @dp-sr1fd 3 роки тому +2

      @@stevejones1488 Wow. Mind you thinking about it, where would you get another stand of arms with that provenance.

    • @stevejones1488
      @stevejones1488 3 роки тому +1

      @@dp-sr1fd they are rare, especially Australian ones.

  • @ZombieWarningStation
    @ZombieWarningStation 3 роки тому

    I Had a 1916 smle lithglow marking didn't know much about it was learning and loving it but had to pawn it to keep the power on a few years back looked very similar condition wise but had the front top handguard replaced the rest looked pretty original. Great video! I'm hunting for another one as we speak!

  • @HecticTrainGuy
    @HecticTrainGuy 3 роки тому +23

    I wish I could own one of these

    • @ryanmalin
      @ryanmalin 3 роки тому +4

      get a reproduction., I had a rock island armory that was as good to shoot as a colt for a newbie shooter.

    • @samcoupland
      @samcoupland 3 роки тому +5

      I much of the world you can (including the UK)..

    • @dreamingflurry2729
      @dreamingflurry2729 3 роки тому +6

      Same...in "good old" Germany you have to jump through too many legal hoops (hell, in the current pandemic it is impossible, you can't even go to a range ATM if you have one near you that allows you do shoot anything larger than .22 - in Germany the .303 round is considered large caliber (Großkaliber!) and the weapon (as a former military rifle) is an Ordonnanz-Waffe and most ranges don't allow these, hell you even have to be a member of a gun club first, you need a background check, a Waffenbesitzkarte (Weapon-Ownership-Card!), you need safe gun storage for both ammo and weapons, as they are not allowed to be stored together!)

    • @hanfpeter2822
      @hanfpeter2822 3 роки тому +4

      @@dreamingflurry2729 in my expierence most Clubs allow any Kind of gun to be shot on their Range as long as the Range has been checked and proven to withstand projectiles carrying a certain amount of energy.

    • @zombieranger3410
      @zombieranger3410 3 роки тому +1

      Completely depends on where you live, if it isn’t America, Canada, or Australia (as far as english-speaking countries go), then you might have trouble.
      As far as availability, a reproduction is just as good as the real thing but doesn’t leave you broke, but its always best to get the real thing.

  • @slickstretch6391
    @slickstretch6391 2 роки тому +1

    My grandpa left me a Jungle Carbine when he died, and it's my favorite gun that I've used. Kicks like a mule though. Last time I took it to the range, I woke up the next morning with a purple shoulder.

  • @calthepeacelovingclover5935
    @calthepeacelovingclover5935 3 роки тому +6

    Virgin German Side: "Hans why do they all have Machine Guns?"
    Chad British Side: "Concentrated fire of ten round mags. Rule Britannia FTW Boiz!"

  • @davidwallace5738
    @davidwallace5738 3 роки тому +1

    Very informative. Thank you, sir!

  • @stevejones1488
    @stevejones1488 3 роки тому +5

    One arrow means department of defense in Auatralia mate.

  • @mohammedcohen
    @mohammedcohen 3 роки тому

    ...the cutoff remained until early 1916 - IIRC mid Jan 1916 was the official 'cutoff' date for the elimination of the cutoff but there were a number of the receivers with the slot for it still in the inventory so a few were still made with it past that date...

  • @jeramyw
    @jeramyw 3 роки тому +14

    Pro tip: 4 hole chargers work much better than 5 hole chargers.

    • @jacknelson8601
      @jacknelson8601 3 роки тому +1

      Outstanding video........as usual.

    • @lukehavard7081
      @lukehavard7081 3 роки тому +2

      Also, try to avoid chargers of Italian manufacture. They generally have much more resistance and are harder to use.

    • @curious-relics
      @curious-relics 3 роки тому +2

      If you're in the US, the only commonly available Enfield clips are Italian-produced copies (marked "GM" + some roman numeral) that simply do not work at all. Try to source some actual UK-produced clips if you want them to work properly.

    • @jeramyw
      @jeramyw 3 роки тому

      @@lukehavard7081 Yes, those have 5 holes.

    • @PapaSchultz74
      @PapaSchultz74 3 роки тому +1

      4 hole chargers with 3 round and 1 elongated hole aka mk IV* contrary to the first mk4 with all 4 round holes that are very stiff.

  • @1969Risky
    @1969Risky 3 роки тому

    When I was 8 my dad bought me a Lithgow manufactured SMLE that was made in 1922. I learnt so much off that rifle & used it on various hunting trips and the rifle range near my place. It was treasured by me & well looked after. Unfortunately our gun laws changed & I had to hand it in.
    I wish I could have it back. This video brought back memories of me as a kid & teenager using the SMLE. Sure people will say that there are better rifles, but you cannot beat an SMLE.

  • @RiderOftheNorth1968
    @RiderOftheNorth1968 3 роки тому +4

    I love my swedish m/96 mauser but, damn, i wouldn´t mind owning me some brit history......

  • @shanebroomhall
    @shanebroomhall 3 роки тому

    Great Video Ian, as an Aussie, this was great to watch. Thanks..