Very good info. Having (in an industrial setting not a farm) seen a mans face mangled, we now use straps. No chains, no ropes. Hope the gentleman you referenced has recovered. Thanks for the Vlog.
We pull everything with a large tow rope. Cables are about the most dangerous thing you can pull with. We apply tension with slowly with a tow rope, no jerking as that is what can break them. For added safety we always run the rope through an old tire before we pull.
I live in Maine near the coast and drive a AWD CRV with a tow hitch. I am thinking about getting a rope for helping others who get stuck in mud in the spring or snow in the winter Before I get anything for towing I try to do research and came across this video. I sincerely appreciate the thought of safety first as well as the education about towing tools. Thank you.
You ALWAYS avoid pulling clevis at an angle that possess a risk for them to open. Even a thread won't hold it. You can loose up to 60% or more of its load capacity when pulling at an angle. I watched a good video explaning this and advising you always stive to pull with a pin at 90 degress to your rope or very close. There is an exeption for pulling at small angles but from both sides at the same time.
Thank you for doing this video. Also thank you for not thinking I was being a jerk for mentioning it in your video. That was a great explanation of the clevis and why you should or shouldn't use that type of chain or a small clevis. Hopefully it will at least make people stop and think a little bit about what they're using. Sometimes people go too fast trying to get the job done‼️‼️👍🏻😎❤️❤️
Safe T pull, sling shot ropes are great, they stretch so you can snatch on them and a pickup truck can retrieve a medium sized tractor, by snatching it but the rope takes the yank out by stretching so it’s a smooth pull on both ends
We never use chains to pull stick equipment always rope or straps. But one thing you always want to do when using threaded Clovis always always back the threads off 1/4 of a turn before using cause they'll tighten up when being stressed hard. Just food for thought
I've got a 125,00 lb tow rope with a loop on each end. What do I do if I need a hook on one end because the tractor/combine doesn't have anything. The loops on the rope aren't big enough to feed itself through.
Great information most people have no idea how to pull things out safely being a county plow driver i have seen it all and usually they wont listen and cause more damage they would have saved money by calling a tow truck.
I used to operate a mine hoist in a vertical shaft mine for years. Cable definately streches and will store energy. In heavy equipment manually or by remote control a looped cable is kind of the standard. Heavy cable is tough, flexible and it's the standard in logging, mining, and construction. Come to think of it cable is THE standard. It's used in those logging hi lead operations and draglines in mining. Nothing else comes close.
When we use our wenches four wheeling we put a coat over the cable in the middle for that reason i.e.. cable break or if what we tie too breaks the cable will drop right to the ground and not whip back
Had a clevis go through the steel plate just under the rear window on8650 and still broke the window very lucky still shaken trying to pull a loaded sprayer out
When my dad gets stuck with his bourgoulght 76foot seeder and his 700 bushel tank he uses a tow rope that is rated for 10 tons and its 150 he also had a chain snap and it flew right threw both front and back windows and the Clevis is heavy that he uses I can't even lift it and I'm a strong kid And also can i have a shout out??
wrapping the chain around the axle will do nothing to improve the strength of the chain. A chain will be as strong as the weakest link. Wrapping a chain will spread out the clamping forces to lower the risk of damage to the attachment point. Cables are good because you can double up the pulling strength by using pulleys. More by using compound pulleys gang sets. A simple snatch block with one pulley will double the pull., but will half the working length of the cable. Ropes. Actually a synthetic nautical mooring line acts as a stored energy line. They will stretch to 50 percent of original length and provide a tug back on the other end. We would form an eye by simple rope splicing on the ends of the lines and attach short pieces of chain for attachment with a short clevis since the rope keeps the parts straight to ovoid spreading damage like you desctribed. The attachment point was always the site of the damage for the line. A sharp edge or other damage causer. Rope can be doubled up for strength. The attachment point is the weakest point.
Just remember if you double the pull to be sure your attachment points (both ends) can stand the double pull. In other words, it's probably best to not run your winch cable through a pulley and attach it back to the winch bumper for a hard pull.
OK, the problem you had with the clevis is not that it didn't use a threaded screw pin, but instead that it was rigged incorrectly. Never, ever, ever pull sideways on a clevis. Always pull on the pin itself and on the bow directly opposite the pin. Whether it's a slip pin or a screw pin doesn't change the strength of the clevis, assuming you didn't rig it sideways. If you rig it sideways, everyone should stay in the next zip code away from you, regardless of what sort of pin is in it. Please folks, if you're considering pulling on anything big enough to kill you (say, anything bigger than a lawnmower), don't do it unless you know (know, not think you know) what you're doing. Around 99% of folks I observe doing this stuff are doing it wrong. If you're around someone fooling with it, leave. Go to school, literally, on this subject. "Simple" things like orientation of that clevis or a hook, or where you stand, or how you pull or what you attach to, or especially how you attach it, can easily get someone killed. If you hook to something with the hook upside down (with the point of the hook pointing down) or sideways, that can get you hurt. That chain that "usually" drops when broken may not send the memo to the loose broken link, which might go flying off at 1000 fps like a grenade fragment, in God knows which direction. Also, understand how the hardware is load rated. The difference between "rated" strength, "working load limit," "breaking" or "ultimate" strength, etc., may be important. Know the differences in how different grades of hardware are rated (not just their strength). For instance, a grade 80 chain and a grade 70 chain might have the same working load limit. But there is a difference in those chains and ratings besides the size and rated load. Same thing with bolts. Not much point in a 50k rope attached to a 2k bumper unless you're only pulling 1k on it. But it's your brain. You decide if you prefer it inside or outside your skull.
@@BornToFarm101MN Well if it's failing when pulling correctly on the pin and bow, changing to a similar capacity clevis shackle with a screwpin is not the solution, and may actually make the failure more spectacular. If either the pin or clevis visibly deforms under load when otherwise properly rigged, it is FAR too weak. I try to make sure all of my rigging is good for considerably more load than my equipment can possibly place on it. In other words, I run out of winch, weight, or horsepower long before anything gets overloaded.
Very good info. Having (in an industrial setting not a farm) seen a mans face mangled, we now use straps. No chains, no ropes. Hope the gentleman you referenced has recovered. Thanks for the Vlog.
We pull everything with a large tow rope. Cables are about the most dangerous thing you can pull with. We apply tension with slowly with a tow rope, no jerking as that is what can break them. For added safety we always run the rope through an old tire before we pull.
I live in Maine near the coast and drive a AWD CRV with a tow hitch. I am thinking about getting a rope for helping others who get stuck in mud in the spring or snow in the winter Before I get anything for towing I try to do research and came across this video. I sincerely appreciate the thought of safety first as well as the education about towing tools. Thank you.
You ALWAYS avoid pulling clevis at an angle that possess a risk for them to open. Even a thread won't hold it. You can loose up to 60% or more of its load capacity when pulling at an angle. I watched a good video explaning this and advising you always stive to pull with a pin at 90 degress to your rope or very close. There is an exeption for pulling at small angles but from both sides at the same time.
Exactly.
Thank you for doing this video. Also thank you for not thinking I was being a jerk for mentioning it in your video. That was a great explanation of the clevis and why you should or shouldn't use that type of chain or a small clevis. Hopefully it will at least make people stop and think a little bit about what they're using. Sometimes people go too fast trying to get the job done‼️‼️👍🏻😎❤️❤️
nope all good. im an easy going guy
Superb video. Nice work and well done. Have a good day 👍 👍 👍
Thanks, we should all endorse and promote these lessons. Slow down, think, and act. No excuse for an unsafe act or injury.
All good info and the tire idea works. Anything on the rope, strap or chain etc will greatly reduce the flight.
Safe T pull, sling shot ropes are great, they stretch so you can snatch on them and a pickup truck can retrieve a medium sized tractor, by snatching it but the rope takes the yank out by stretching so it’s a smooth pull on both ends
We never use chains to pull stick equipment always rope or straps. But one thing you always want to do when using threaded Clovis always always back the threads off 1/4 of a turn before using cause they'll tighten up when being stressed hard. Just food for thought
I've got a 125,00 lb tow rope with a loop on each end. What do I do if I need a hook on one end because the tractor/combine doesn't have anything. The loops on the rope aren't big enough to feed itself through.
Great information most people have no idea how to pull things out safely being a county plow driver i have seen it all and usually they wont listen and cause more damage they would have saved money by calling a tow truck.
seen that all too much as well
I used to operate a mine hoist in a vertical shaft mine for years. Cable definately streches and will store energy. In heavy equipment manually or by remote control a looped cable is kind of the standard. Heavy cable is tough, flexible and it's the standard in logging, mining, and construction.
Come to think of it cable is THE standard. It's used in those logging hi lead operations and draglines in mining. Nothing else comes close.
For towing tho?
When we use our wenches four wheeling we put a coat over the cable in the middle for that reason i.e.. cable break or if what we tie too breaks the cable will drop right to the ground and not whip back
What size chain is that
Good lesson as always be safe
Good tips my friend, be safe.....
It is very hard to hear what you are saying, Ed in VA.
ya i realized that afterwards. if i stood too close to the camera, you couldn't see what i was showing well
Had a clevis go through the steel plate just under the rear window on8650 and still broke the window very lucky still shaken trying to pull a loaded sprayer out
oooooofta. ya ironically we were pulling with a 8650 when the accident happened as well
Thanks 😊
Yeah you can never be to safe luckily that person wasn't killed! Great safety video! #WorldsOkayestFarmer
When my dad gets stuck with his bourgoulght 76foot seeder and his 700 bushel tank he uses a tow rope that is rated for 10 tons and its 150 he also had a chain snap and it flew right threw both front and back windows and the Clevis is heavy that he uses I can't even lift it and I'm a strong kid And also can i have a shout out??
thats scary stuff with chains coming through the windows
wrapping the chain around the axle will do nothing to improve the strength of the chain. A chain will be as strong as the weakest link. Wrapping a chain will spread out the clamping forces to lower the risk of damage to the attachment point. Cables are good because you can double up the pulling strength by using pulleys. More by using compound pulleys gang sets. A simple snatch block with one pulley will double the pull., but will half the working length of the cable. Ropes. Actually a synthetic nautical mooring line acts as a stored energy line. They will stretch to 50 percent of original length and provide a tug back on the other end. We would form an eye by simple rope splicing on the ends of the lines and attach short pieces of chain for attachment with a short clevis since the rope keeps the parts straight to ovoid spreading damage like you desctribed. The attachment point was always the site of the damage for the line. A sharp edge or other damage causer. Rope can be doubled up for strength. The attachment point is the weakest point.
Just remember if you double the pull to be sure your attachment points (both ends) can stand the double pull. In other words, it's probably best to not run your winch cable through a pulley and attach it back to the winch bumper for a hard pull.
OK, the problem you had with the clevis is not that it didn't use a threaded screw pin, but instead that it was rigged incorrectly. Never, ever, ever pull sideways on a clevis. Always pull on the pin itself and on the bow directly opposite the pin. Whether it's a slip pin or a screw pin doesn't change the strength of the clevis, assuming you didn't rig it sideways. If you rig it sideways, everyone should stay in the next zip code away from you, regardless of what sort of pin is in it.
Please folks, if you're considering pulling on anything big enough to kill you (say, anything bigger than a lawnmower), don't do it unless you know (know, not think you know) what you're doing. Around 99% of folks I observe doing this stuff are doing it wrong. If you're around someone fooling with it, leave. Go to school, literally, on this subject.
"Simple" things like orientation of that clevis or a hook, or where you stand, or how you pull or what you attach to, or especially how you attach it, can easily get someone killed. If you hook to something with the hook upside down (with the point of the hook pointing down) or sideways, that can get you hurt. That chain that "usually" drops when broken may not send the memo to the loose broken link, which might go flying off at 1000 fps like a grenade fragment, in God knows which direction. Also, understand how the hardware is load rated. The difference between "rated" strength, "working load limit," "breaking" or "ultimate" strength, etc., may be important. Know the differences in how different grades of hardware are rated (not just their strength). For instance, a grade 80 chain and a grade 70 chain might have the same working load limit. But there is a difference in those chains and ratings besides the size and rated load. Same thing with bolts. Not much point in a 50k rope attached to a 2k bumper unless you're only pulling 1k on it.
But it's your brain. You decide if you prefer it inside or outside your skull.
i hear what you're saying about the clevis. we were pulling on it like you said to
@@BornToFarm101MN Well if it's failing when pulling correctly on the pin and bow, changing to a similar capacity clevis shackle with a screwpin is not the solution, and may actually make the failure more spectacular. If either the pin or clevis visibly deforms under load when otherwise properly rigged, it is FAR too weak. I try to make sure all of my rigging is good for considerably more load than my equipment can possibly place on it. In other words, I run out of winch, weight, or horsepower long before anything gets overloaded.
Can't hear or see a damn thing