You see, this is what I like about Doug. Since he's a comedian, it would have been so easy to say "Fuck anyone who's offended" and leave it at that, but instead he actually looks fairly at both sides and calls out the extremes of both. I really like how he always looks at both sides and doesn't disregard anyone.
Yeah this is a good issue to talk about. In my own summary of this video, make a joke out of good intentions and reasons while also be smart about it and have common sense. If people are offended then expect that but know why they feel offended and question yourself if you whether or not meant to hurt anyone. And don't get suck into the hatred and rage of people who are offended because once you do, you lose any good reasons of your jokes. Always challenge and question things in your comedy rather then to shock people and do it in a way to represent the joke well not to be politically correct or to be so offensive, but to get the message or joke through.
I also agree Heck even though I don't like movies like Friday or movies in where a black sheep robs just because, they don't say it because all blacks act like that they say it because of how people react to one another When Wes Craven made Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes people weren't only shocked but offended cut to years later He makes New Nightmare and Scream which both address too much and too little of both good and bad it is to be scared
+Junglehero127 I agree 100%. I lot of people give him a hard time for taking the middle ground, or not taking a hard stance, but so many people wouldn't even acknowledge the validity of this question, or claim "free speech" as a way to silence critics (criticism is also free speech, folks!). Plus, often the middle ground is the most reasonable option. I usually find myself agreeing with him, for the most part if not entirely.
We actually fucking adore speedy gonzales in Mexico. He is a stereotype, yes, thing is, just like Jerry, he is smart, charming, energetic, and always outwits his chaser. For an american cartoon to make a foreigner character the good one, we took it as a compliment and were actually flattered.
kicsnasdc oh yeah, sorta like how Apu has a doctorate, owns a business, is friends with multiple celebrities, and still insists on maintaining his culture and not being gentrified.
Reason why Kevin Hart is loved by most and doesn’t have that many haters. I remember watching a Spongebob episode where Spongebob becomes a famous comedian by cracking jokes at his Squirrel friend but later when he decides not to joke about her as she gets offended , he starts losing his audiences . The episodes ends by Spongebob making jokes about himself which started to regain his lost audience. Example: Laugh at my pain
Kinda, but you missed the point of the end. He doesn't just make jokes about himself, he stops just making squirrel jokes and starts joking about everyone. Basically the argument (that I support) of you can't be racist if you are racist to every race equally. Whites? They shoot first, ask questions never! Blacks? Watch your purse, shoes, and wallet! Asians? Take your problem kids to one of them for 5 minutes and they'll behave for life. All inherently race based jokes, but since you don't just stick to one race it comes off way better, and even gives you more material
As the french humorist Pierre Desproges said : "on peut rire de tout mais pas avec tous le monde", "We can laugh about anything, but not with everybody".
+LiquidArmProduction He's too reliant on his older fanbase and relies on replicating the feeling of nostalgia. If he's writer, always expect a childish poop joke that'll get the old men laughing. If Kevin James is in it, hide. The reason why the poop jokes and other nowadays childish humor worked in the 90's because, as shocking as it was, it was in a time where such jokes were adult humor.
@@etaquince5220 Honestly I think he has gotten funnier over the years. He may no longer being doing it as a passion but that does not mean the quality has gone away.
I once got in trouble at school for telling an "insensitive joke". We were all supposed to says something for breast cancer awareness month ecen if it was just something little. So when it was my turn to go up and say something I said "What's breast cancer's favorite song? Thanks for the mammaries." I got in school suspension for a week for offensive language.
+Emily Nuzum That's stupid, it was a perfectly good joke, not terribly funny, but simply a PUN. You weren't making fun of the people, just of cancer itself. Geez, talk about having no criteria...
@@definitelynotkraw to be fair, most of that is just them specifically trying to screw with overly offended people, not them failing to make a joke work
The problem is that you can fail in so many ways, I'm sure that if you say one word wrong or it just comes out in the wrong tone which can both happen easily
If you're a comedian and your joke draw boos from the crowd then that's an example of a failed joke. Not that people didn't get it. It's a bad or distasteful joke overall.
+Ben Wasserman we need more people like doug to speak the truth and not be afraid of what people will say because he brings up good points and hits the nail on the head
I don't really find the old Speedy Gonzales that offensive either. Mostly because the "offensive" jokes never felt like they were meant to be making fun of Mexicans. The impression that they left me was they were really making fun of Americans. It was as if the creators of the shorts were acknowledging how ignorant they themselves were about Mexican culture. And considering these shorts were made because of the Good Neighbor policy, one can assume they were intended with good humor towards the Mexicans, not against them. Just look at the title character! He's a Mexican that fast, clever, brave, and efficient. Why wouldn't Mexicans want to be portray like that?!
As a mexican, it never cross my mind that it was ofensive in any way, it was an inofensive really fun cartoon, and i really like how he was portrayed in the new looney toones cartoon...It is not mean to be taken seriously, the only kind of rasis stuff were the crows, but they are porrayed as mexicans from the revolutionary ages wich hapens several CENTURIES ago were male mexicans were kind of like that, lassy and drunkl since there was nothing more to do rather than work or fight in the war but it was a kind of outdated joke but is not like bugs wasnt figthing in the medieval ages... or daffy as a futuristic usseles hero.
J.G Productions Well, I can see how someone today could see it that way. Although, I still don't think that what the creators had intended to imply. Considering that stealing food was the sort of thing that most cartoon mice did back in the day. And the the fact that Speedy was usually put up against Sylvester and Daffy, who were known to be selfish and aggressive, and there for, had it coming to them.
Maybe that's why some Americans hated Speedy: it was a direct confrontation with their own biased view of mexicans.Just kidding, that would be farfetched.
@@chris_the_heartbeat_lover.1994 Not if it falls into nationalism or autocrats, thats how you get history of conflicts. Liberty to be who you are and understand and defend liberty of others aswell, aslong as it doesnt infringe on others (Slavery for example is bad).
+MrRepzion Yeah, you could probably use or quote some of this when reacting to those videos of people going "ITZ JUS A JOK!!11!!" or "Y WUD U MAK FUN OF DIZ".
Over-sensitivity is certainly a thing, but in my experience, when someone on the internet says "people are too sensitive" what he means is "I can't believe people are calling me a racist just because I said something unforgivably racist. What gives?" I'm really kind of sick of the word "sensitive". The conversation would be a lot more interesting if we just let people feel however they damn well want to feel about things. If someone feels offended, maybe instead of being a dick about it we could just hear them out. They might have a point if we're willing to think about it from their point of view. And if we disagree, well then we can have a productive discussion about it instead of just calling each other names like goddamn children. When the conversation begins and ends with "you're just being too sensitive", no one gains anything from it.
***** The fact that it's not black and white is precisely my point. Everyone has different experiences and will find different things offensive. The fact that someone else might disagree does not make their feelings invalid. I'm sick of seeing people demonized for being offended by things they find offensive. You say "offense isn't given, only taken". Well, I don't have a pithy idiom to retort with, but that's bullshit. Offense is given whenever you make statements about someone without thinking about it from their point of view and considering how it affects them. When you stereotype a group of people, when you belittle their struggles, when you make baseless accusations, or express ridicule towards them - when you do these things, even for the sake of a joke, that is giving offense, And even when this is done unintentionally, it doesn't give the comedian some sort of moral high ground; people still have the right to react negatively to poorly chosen words. In short, if people are being offended by your jokes, you probably need to work on your delivery or get better material. It's not the audience's fault you're not funny.
+Kurt Reinkemeyer Except the remark about racism didn't relate whatsoever to any of those points, people truly can be oversensitive, and sometimes you need to be offensive to get a point across. You can't go all your life not making an offensive statement. You gotta take a stand sometime on something and when you take a stand, someone will always find it offensive without fail. But, what's the alternative? Not taking a stand because you're afraid of offending someone? That gives you no base to rely on when things get really bad. Yes, no one, not even comedians have a moral high ground when it comes to offense. But at the same time, it isn't a golden ticket for people to be just automagically offended at any little thing. We're supposed to be challenged, we're supposed to stand there and have our expectations turned on their heads. Getting offended or offending is a sign you're just another human being. How you react to it, that's what determines what quality person you are. If you're sitting around, pointing the finger shouting "THAT'S OFFENSIVE!" Then guess what, you deserve to be offended and I hope desperately you have a mental breakdown from it. But if you listen, admit to yourself that could be offensive to someone and decide maybe there's just more important things to concern yourself with and move on, well that's mature and thoughtful and how it should be. Unless someone is telling the joke and punching you in the face or advocating for your destruction. Then it's totally all right to get up in arms about it.
+Kurt Reinkemeyer The problem comes when the offended party immediately seeks to remove the speech of the offender without hearing them out, and vice versa. I can tell you that some people that claim offense can often be just as offensive or even MORE offensive in their "defense of the little guy" than the original offender. Many that speak insensitively do so from pure ignorance, but the immediate snap to vitriol and pitchforks rather than open dialogue makes the offender more likely to go on the defensive and refuse to listen to the offended instead of reassessing their own values. It's the difference between ducking in a bunker at lobbed grenades and accepting a gentle guiding hand.
***** Yes, I've had people go out of their way to try and hurt me psychologically. One of them was my ex fiance. She....ooh ooh ooooh, I could advocate for her destruction any day, you can have her. Have you ever heard an Aristocrats joke? An interesting mental exercise actually. It's all about this family trying to make it into show business. The joke is told differently from person to person and goes out of the way to offend and go over the top in tastelessness and sheer debauchery. It's supposed to offend in the highest level without actually being funny. Yes, there are mental limits in patience and tolerance people can have. Does this mean we should not keep challenging other people even if it offends them? No. A world where everyone refuses to offend each other is a world where we are mindless sheep. Not just of the condescending teenager definition, but truly not using the great minds that have defined us for so long. If we were afraid of how others thought about something, we wouldn't have this computer we're each at because new ideas are offensive. We wouldn't interact with each other because in some cultures, shaking hands with the left hand is offensive. There are so many things we all do or take for granted that offend others. This does not mean we stop living. Offense is part of life.
+David Roberson TL; DR: None, because if you don't have the patience and/or respect to read through this or if you feel your time/life would be better spent elsewhere, go ahead. Pursue your hopes and dreams. Go start that novel you're always talking about. I think your points are all really well made, but don't take certain things into account. Challenging new ideas and offense aren't mutually exclusive. Something can be offensive and intellectually stimulating at the same time, it can be intellectually stimulating and not offensive, OR it can be purely offensive with no educational value. And I'm pretty sure there's a scale involved with that too. Also, I think there's different kinds of offense. Like, being offended that the lightsabers in the new Star Wars movie are different doesn't really affect that person that much...unless they have serious issues. It's not like as if, say, someone was saying your childhood hero was a piece of shit soon after they died. In the same way, I think there's a difference between someone who says 'that's inappropriate therefore we shouldn't laugh at it', and say, a sexual assault survivor who has just heard a joke made about such things in a public setting where they didn't expect it. That won't challenge most people. Maybe a select few have superhuman psyches and if the joke is insightful will take something positive away from the experience. Otherwise though, being reminded of something like that is at least extremely unpleasant and at worst traumatic. I didn't know this before, and I know the term seems silly to a lot of people who don't know a whole lot about it, but being 'triggered' doesn't just mean getting a little pissy at your keyboard. If it helps, think of it in terms of the old guy from Drake and Josh archetype. You know, the one who went around the house, tying people up and acting like he was back in Vietnam? And yeah, that's an exaggerated portrayal, but that's based on actual cases of PTSD, which people didn't even believe was a real thing until well after World War I. So yeah, old, tough, war horses like that get 'triggered' by things, just like how people online do. Just think about those guys and how they differ from what our idea of a 'triggered person' is like. PTSD just stands for post traumatic stress disorder, which is probably a better name for people's experiences than 'triggered' anyway. At risk of being condescending (and I'm sorry if I am), I just would like to explain the term in an easily understandable way. 'post traumatic'- After the trauma. So, after really, really, _really_ bad shit has gone down, you get 'stressed' about that shit, and it's a disorder, which means the 'stress' doesn't go away. And according to people I've talked to, 'having an episode' or 'getting triggered' usually means anything from severe headaches, throwing up, dizziness, inability to sleep accompanied by nightmares, etc, etc, etc. Which, again, does that sound like a person being overly sensitive? But it's understandable. How would a normal, mentally healthy person who has never experienced anything traumatic understand, unless they took the time to learn about it (Note: I have met people who've been through trauma who are not affected in the same ways and who are perfectly fine making jokes about it. But then I think it should be up to the individual what they're okay with.)? Honestly though, what's my solution? It sounds ridiculous, but what if there were comedy places specifically for offensive comedy and ones for less-offensive comedy (because as Doug said and I'll admit all comedy is offensive in some way)? That way, no matter what you think of the other side you have your own thing, everybody's happy and we can finally stop having this dumb argument. :v
+karoomay This is very true, and I am at a community college, and it's painful how many speakers have to be careful about everything. One speaker said "the homosexual community needs to advance from the rainbows and fairies to be taken seriously by modern society" and was shut down 35 minutes into to a 90 minute seminar and has not returned ever since.
+karoomay couldn't have worded that better myself. College students are to sensitive with their trigger warnings and such that they can't grow or challenge themselves. So many brilliant talkers banned just to protect these "fragile victims".
Comedy is a coping mechanism used to make light of shitty or even terrible things so as to relieve the weight they carry. If we didn't have comedy, the world would be a very bleak and depressing place.
Yeah I know what you mean about that. Sorry to hear about your situation. One of the greatest things I ever learned to do was laugh at myself and things I had no control over. Sometimes it's the only way you can put a smile on your face and take the edge off. Besides whiskey, of course :P
Or if you go "Aaaaugh I don't know what I said, I don't remember!" like our President did during the campaign while flailing your arms like you have a disability, you're just an ass.
UnorthodoxRomance Your a moron he makes fun of everyone like that. He did the same thing to Senator Cruz. Trump won and is going to win again in 2020 because whiny liberals like you.
+Scott Sandler oh, of course. I also like eating small children for breakfast and making sure that all of the visitors in my very own concentration camp are having a good time.
+GreenNinjaTea the pay gap isn't real its actually an earn gap as men tend to dedicate more time to their work. therefore earning more money. the more you know.
Comedy is what makes the world beautiful, what makes it colorful. It's not art, it's not science, it's not politics. When you're talking to someone you've just met and trying to be friends with would you rather have a silly joke in your mind or a strong political argument that may opposite his? When you get home stressed out by work, would you rather read a book on Quantum Physics or watch Friends? Everything is important at its on place, there's no right time. If comedy one day dies, we would fall into idiocracy and I, personally, wouldn't want to live in a world like that
Why not art, science, politics AND comedy that make the world beautiful? Just saying, a little nitpick. Otherwise, spot on comment. Of course, some folks settle for a book to relieve stress. Or video games. Or a conversation about meaningful subjects, like where you lose the remote. Just adding fuel to your fire, that's all.
+pupp3tStudios I'm not saying that comedy is more important than everything else nor it is the most important thing in the world, I'm just saying that it is an unchangeable part of life, it is irreplaceable. And I'm not referring only to professional humor, I mean everything that's funny.
What amazes me is how the people who aren't really supposed to even be offended are the ones who act offended. When some guy said the n word on the chat forum, all the white people called him racist. When speedy Gonzales was called offensive, it wasn't the mexicans who complained, it was people who weren't mexican.
+Bailskywalker It's either fat ass land whale chicks with pink hair and big glasses, or the beta-males saying yes to everything the former said to get laid.
As a tumblr user myself, I can honestly say that there are some crazy people on the site. You eventually get used to it and learn to find your own way to avoid the aforementioned crazy people.
Katie less so on reddit. I usually go on there because it can be a great resource to find resources on CS, Physics and such. I am subscribed to /r/PhysicsBooks /r/CSbooks and /r/LearnProgramming. It has a great commenting system and its a helpful community if you go to the right places.
Such as blacklists and using that ever-handy block feature. A lot of people on tumblr are pretty out there and offended far too easily, but at the same time some of them do bring up things that need addressing, like charities, various fundraisers for shelters/people going through really tough times, and the ability to express yourself no matter what gender, age, race, sexuality, or ethnicity you are.
It's heavily disputed as to whether her videos constitute as 'comedy'. It's thought by some that she just throws the 'satire' label on them to mask prejudice.
Here's something I want Doug to do an editorial on: "Why do people love horrible characters?" You know, characters like: "Eric Cartman", "Peter Griffin", and of course... "Duckman". Those are probably some of the most terrible and unredemable characters, ever to be concieved, in all of adult cartoondom. But, yet, people love those characters, despite how awful they are. Why? Doug, I hope you read this comment, because you've got very facsinating ideas about stuff, and I would love to hear your two cents on this question.
it's like when i think it was Colbert made a comment on how Bisexuals and Trans people in LGBT communities don't get focus or attention, saying "what does the B and T stand for, Bacon and Tomato?" People mainly on Tumblr then got pissed at him saying how HE was insulting Bisexuals and Trans people for not knowing what the B and T stand for, when he was ADDRESSING THAT VERY THING
I'm an aspie, but I can get a laugh out of autism jokes, but suicide jokes about autism takes it a little far, or when people call us idiots because of a stupid stereotype, basically morbid jokes about people aren't funny
It's always good to not take yourself too seriously. If you take yourself too seriously you aren't truly embracing life. Don't let people make you the joke, even if you are playing the joke in the situation.
*shrugs* my favorite joke is: *A neutron walks into bar and ask; "How much for a drink here anyway?" To which the barkeep replys "For you, no charge."*
I think what a lot of people don't realise is comedy is often based on either misery or absurdity *without* consequences (in context at least.) Think about it, would you laugh at Tom and Jerry if the pain Tom went through in every episode actually affected him? Looking at the most famous Monty Python sketch, The Black Knight, you realise that the joke actually based on the absurdity of the knights response to being dismembered. Yes there is misery in that the knight is permanently losing his limbs but through the sheer madness and lack of genuine consequences, it ends up being hilarious for many of us. Of course, comedy is subjective anyway and no matter what you say someone will be offended. Frankie Boyle may cross any line 20 times over, but he managed to find an audience and so there is really no reason to censor his routine. On the other hand, someone out there is taking offence to Peter Kay's relatable British style. The trick is to handle offence maturely and not try to take away things that other people enjoy.
@@VicenteTorresAliasVits pretty much. each episode is self contained. if he broke a leg in one episode and continued with into the next and throughout a season it wouldn't be a comedy anymore. or at least it would be a very different kind of humor.
I think a joke goes too far when it makes its intended audience legitimately uncomfortable. 9/11 jokes are funny to some, but tell them to a 9/11 survivor and it's no longer a joke. There's no such thing as "Everything's ok to joke about," which many pseudo intellectuals cop out to because they lack the brain processing power to actually think about it for a second. I don't know one GOOD comedian who would use offensive humor just for the sake of being offensive. I personally find offensive jokes funny when they're used in good taste, but not everyone finds them funny and if they're your intended audience, then you have a problem. And personally, offensive humor for the sake of being offensive, like Bob Saget getting on stage cussing because "HAHA It's the dad from Full House saying cunt!" is just bad humor. When you revert to shocking your audience for a laugh, then you're a bad comedian. I like Jim Jefferies myself. Some of his stuff is pretty raunchy but it's not the theme of his act. Like when he talks about his kid seeing his dick in the shower. It's funny because he's talking about how kids can sometimes catch us off guard. Now if he just did what Bob Saget does and said something like, "My fucking kid saw my cock and now he's probably going to get hard you cock sucking mother fucker." I mean, where's the humor in that? Offensive humor must be directed at the appropriate audience and be part of an overall theme. That's just my opinion though.
+Vic Vinegar One thing I hate is when comedians who aren't funny say something they know will piss off as many people as possible because theyre guaranteed to get some defenders and publicity. They're manipulating people into believing they're better than they really are.
Henry Kane Good for your aunt. That's not what I'm talking about AT ALL. Completely missing the point. If you make a 9/11 joke at a NY comedy club, prepare to get your ass beat. It's called knowing your audience. My OP is about knowing your audience.
When Seth Macfarlane hosted the Oscars, he made a joke about Lincoln’s death and said, “150 and we’re still too soon, huh?” That got some groans but also some laughter from the audience.
@David Smith exactly. Just because someone hates Donald Trump doesn’t make them a liberal. Also Donald Trump is not a real conservative. He’s a neoconservative.
@David Smith What's wrong with the term Kong-flu. China deserves to get made fun of, this is the same country that has concentration camps for Muslims, and forced black people to pick cotton.
@@MovieEnforcer I mean, just because you dislike Trump doesn't necessarily make a you a liberal either. I have a moderately conservative friend who hates Trump. There are plenty of people who lean on one side of the political spectrum but hate certain people on that same spectrum.
+BASSFZz I was actually surprised how balanced and put together this was considering the stringent pro-sjw lines that many members of his channel have taken. it's nice to see Doug at least still has sense.
I remember what doug said in his demolition man review. yea...pretty much this is how the internet works. not saying there isn't middle ground, I personally consider myself one. but pretty much, I hate both sides.
+01 Asztronauta Just curious, what is wrong with the middle ground? Not that I have anything against those who are not in the middle. It is just that in many cases where I see points on both opposing sides or if I am unsure, I tend to stay neutral.
People seem to think that the only people who take jokes seriously are those who are offended by them. But what I see way too often are the other types of people who take jokes seriously; the ones who see jokes as justifications for their prejudice towards the people being joked about. For example, someone will make a joke about a certain group of people, and someone hearing the joke will go "Yeah, fuck those people. They're so stupid." You see it all the time on social media. Someone will make a video on UA-cam that makes fun of/parodies a certain group of people, and the comments will contain people who have a legitimate hatred towards the people being joked about. They'll say whatever is said in the video, except in earnest rather than as a joke. My question is; why is it only the people who are offended by the joke that are told that it's just a joke? Far too often I've heard people say, "Oh lighten up. It's just a joke. Don't be so sensitive." But I don't think I've *ever* heard anyone say, "Hey, this is only meant to be a joke. Don't be an asshole." If you want to tell people you're just joking, fine. But don't just say it to those who are offended. Say it to those who take your joke the wrong way and see it as justification for their unsavory behavior as well.
+Creepy_Chris First: I can tell you from my personal experience that what you said about people not being told of for taking Jokes as truth is false. You may not have, but as someone who actually seeks out the most offensive humor I can find, I do. Also...you say it as if though it were a bad thing, people using jokes to laugh at and ridicule people. Should jokes ridiculing Nazis or Jihadis or the Regressive Left not also be taken seriously? They're based in reality, after all, their purpose is to be snarky, "mean spirited" and, sometimes, cynical. They are, by design, mocking and derisive, that's their purpose, to point at a group of people and say "ha, ha, you're fucking cancer". Heck, that's half of all offensive humor. When George Carlin joked about how religion was retarded, he was being serious. "Yeah, fuck those people. They're so stupid" is one of the best sentiments you can get as a result of a joke. I give you the example of jokes at the expense of the KKK. Or are you saying that ridiculing the KKK is a bad thing?
The Crimson Fucker Perhaps I should have been a little more clear. I'm not referring to jokes being made about the KKK, Nazis and Jihadis. I'm referring to jokes being made about people who are just considered "cringey" on social media. People who have disabilities or disorders (people love to use the words related to autism as insults), fandoms, etc. The main difference between the two is that groups like the KKK and such are *legitimately bad people*. Of course they'll be met with ridicule and be referred to as "cancer." But the problem is that people who are either part of a fandom, or just come across as "awkward" or "cringey," will receive the *exact same treatment*. And that's when I have to ask myself whether or not it's really just bullying. It's hard for me not to see these "jokes" as a gateway to exclusion and conflict. Hell, look at LeafyIsHere. His channel is basically devoted to roasting people who come off as awkward to a lot of people, and apparently it's all supposed to be comedy. His fans defend him all the time by saying "lol its just satire bro." But when he roasted a certain autistic person, his fans decided it would be funny to send that person death threats and tell him to kill himself. The type of "comedy" he does is harmful and basically promotes bullying and ridicule. AlphaOmegaSin also made a video a short while ago that made me unsubscribe to him. It was about this sexual device that could best be described as a fuckable controller, and he pretty much went off on people who were into fetishes that were a little...out there, coming across as completely arrogant throughout the whole video. Of course he tried to write it all off by saying "lol it's just a joke stop being so sensitive," but what didn't help his case was the way he referred to the people questioning him as "beta males," which really says a lot about the kind of person he is, not to mention his Twitter posts regarding the subject came off as more...sincere. And of course people in the comments were saying things along the lines of "lol these ppl r losers who cant get any pussy" in earnest, with no one telling them off for taking this supposed "joke" seriously. So yeah, I'm not referring to groups like the KKK and such. I'm referring to people who, at worst, come off as "different" while not doing or promoting any harm (unlike the KKK), yet are ridiculed the same way they are.
Creepy_Chris Well...the KKK is a fandom. Why should we be able to ridicule one group of people but not another? And if we can say "Well, you can't ridicule this group" who's to say someone won't someday say "Well...if you can't ridicule one group you can't ridicule anyone?". " legitimately bad people" And according to Feminists Men's Rights Activists and Egalitarians are "legitimately bad people", according to the Religious Right gay people and atheists are "legitimately bad people". It's easy to say "well, these people are clearly bad" without realizing that, to those people, another group of people(blacks, for instance) are "legitimately bad". Don't get me wrong, the KKK are scum...but that's irrelevant. If anyone is given the power to, of their own accord, arbitrate who is "good" and who is "bad" and who can, therefor, be laughed at and who cannot, then that you're giving that person the power to censor anyone they dislike. Everyone gets the shit taken out of them, that's just how humor works. The answer isn't to ban people from saying certain things, it's to grow a thicker skin and get on with your life. This is the kind of over-sensitivity that led to "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings", to University professors being fired for offending student's feelings. It's assholery....but this is the internet. That's to be expected. It's unlikely that any of those death threats are valid, and "bullying" is, largely, bullshit online. If you have the option of simply ignoring it, it's not really bullying, you're just being overly sensitive for letting it get to you. Also...ridicule is good. Ridiculing an Autist is a dick thing to do...but some people are dicks, and there's nothing you can really do about it. You can't stop people from being dicks, especially not when they think they're anonymous. But ridiculing people, popular people, is VERY good, IF those people are asshats. Who decides if they're asshats? No one. Everyone. As long as you're not genuinely harassing them, all the ridicule in the world is a positive. I present to you the example of people like Anita Sarkesian, who NEED to be ridiculed, who NEED to be taken the shit out of because they're vile human beings. If the only people you can ridicule are the ones it's been been officially decided are "bad", then ridicule loses it's purpose. You're supposed to antagonize the popular assholes that people think are great...that's how you erode their power and show more and more people that they're assholes. Mother Teresa is considered a Saint only because not enough people were ridiculing and criticizing her when she was active. Not only can everyone be ridiculed, but everyone SHOULD be ridiculed. It toughens people up, and it stops them from being oversensitive little shits, demanding everyone and everything that hurts their fee-fees be censored. See: "Social Justice Warriors" for excellent example. That you unsubscribed from someone that(I assume) you agree with simply because he took the piss out of someones weird fetish tells me that you need to grow a thicker skin yourself. If you're not a normie, you get to be made fun of, welcome to how things are. I have some fucked up fetishes, but you don't hear me bitching and moaning when I get shit for it, or when I hear people joke about them. No, in fact, I laugh along, because it's funny. If you're weird, you need to realize that you're weird and realize that other people think that you're weird. Then live with it. Cringe worthy people get to be cringed at and laughed at, this is because they're cringe worthy. It's natural to want to make fun of them(I give you the example of excessively ugly people thinking they're beautiful and getting shocked when no one agrees)..
The Crimson Fucker Your first two paragraphs are pretty much just you being technical. Don't pull that whole pseudo-philosopher "who gets to decide who's bad" bullshit. People who purposely ruin other people's lives. People who are manipulative, ignorant, and willing to hurt others constantly in an irrational manner. "If you have the option of simply ignoring it, it's not really bullying, you're just being overly sensitive for letting it get to you." So you're a victim-blamer, then. Fantastic. You know, sometimes it isn't so easy for some people to ignore. People like to (unfortunately) believe that cyber bullying doesn't exist, failing to realize that the internet is still a form of communication. And just because it's to be expected on the internet doesn't make it right whatsoever. Normality doesn't make something okay. "You're supposed to antagonize the popular assholes that people think are great...that's how you erode their power and show more and more people that they're assholes." And what about the average joes who get ridiculed for petty reasons? People who get ridiculed for what TV show they like or what music they listen to? Hell, that Leafy person I referred to earlier roasts people whose channels don't have much of a following. What "power" is being "eroded" from them? None. They're just being further beaten into the ground, on top of the ridicule they likely face in real life. "It toughens people up, and stops them from being oversensitive little shits." You know what else it does? It makes them resent people and society in general. It makes them feel like they don't belong in this world. It definitely doesn't help those who are struggling with insecurity issues and depression, and it could lead to all this pent-up anger that ultimately drives them to take revenge on those who have hurt them, i.e. school shootings. School shooters are likely to have mental problems, but bullying them doesn't exactly help their situation, now does it? And your whole, "you need to grow thicker skin" attitude doesn't help much. First of all, if *you* happen to have thick skin to the point where any negativity towards you rolls off your back, then good for you. Others aren't so lucky and are, in fact, sensitive. If someone has a history of being ridiculed throughout their lives, it could be hard for them not to see a joke as a malicious jab towards them. Second, Jim Sterling said it best: "That's exactly what thick skin is; thick. It's not impervious." Someone could be able to take some amount of ridicule, but if it keeps happening to them, it continues to eat away at their "thick skin," and it eventually gets to a point where they get tired of it and it isn't so easy to take anymore. Also, it's great that *you* are able to find it funny, but others don't, because that's another thing about humor; it's subjective.
@@liampatrick3110 I agree its good to defend your wife, by all means always defend her, I just think he handled it in the most immature and childish way possible, like come on he has all eyes on him and thats the example he shows?
@@liampatrick3110 He defended her in the worst way he could. Besides there's a lot of shady crap around that moment. Will looked like he was cracking up beforehand, only Jada looked offended. (Not to mention the joke was EXTREMELY tame.)
I take bad comedy personally because it is just that, bad, it doesn't make me laugh. I like offensive humor when it is done well with a smart point. Take Chris Rock, when he talked about African Americans in jail he did it to illustrate a harsh reality about urban ghetto life. Contrast this with say Carlos Mencia and his jokes that play on existing stereotypes. The stereotypes his jokes play on have either been disproven or are racist and his lack of context to explain the cause of the underlying problem makes him unfunny. Anyone can say Mexicans are lazy. But that isn't funny. Explaining the underlying pain and desperation about life is funny. His jokes rely on stereotypes, yelling, and twitching. Being offensive doesn't make you a good comedian, being a good comedian makes you a good comedian.
This is one of my favourite videos of his. He explains it perfectly. The reason I left Twitter was because of racist, arrogant trolls who kept showing up in my inbox using language similar to that of the Nazis. I disabled my account and ignored them even though I was very upset. Those who look to offend for the same of being horrible people who actually believe what they're saying are NOTHING like Amy Poehler, Chris Rock, Ricky Gervais, and Billy Connelly who use theirs to make you laugh and also make a difference. If we want to get offended over something, we should get offended at racist attacks, nazism in young people etc instead of comedy which is designed to make humour out of something dark. I'm also an active member on Tumblr, since the site is a great place to talk about fandom and even activism. However, the downside of the "Social Justice" movement on tumblr is that many of the things they get offended over are either A) Non Existent B) were never intended to be hurtful or offensive such as a radical feminist getting upset calling a man who holds a door open for a woman is oppressive when he's just trying to be nice There are a lot of young people on the site, in some cases 14 year olds who are looking to find their identity which is fine. Exploring whether or not you're straight, gay, bi, ace etc is healthy. But then you'll get those who claim to be "Autosexual" or "Sepiosexual" and giving themselves new pronouns and then getting mad when no one has heard of their sexuality and enjoy labeling themselves as oppressed to get attention. This causes people to get frustrated with them as they actually take away the seriousness of those fighting for equality in the LGBT community. Not only that people seriously finding flower names offensive because they're "plantkin" or whatever seems incredibly silly. Humour allows us to laugh at both these extremes, which is why it's a welcome ray of sunshine in a crazy harsh reality.
I just have a question. Are rape jokes (one example I mention) to be funny for example? In my country (Greece) there's a comedian who recently did some jokes and backfired really bad because there were a lot of rape cases during the time.
I personally don't mind jokes that can be considered offensive, but as long as it's actually done well and not an insult attempt disguised as a joke. Make a transgender or gay joke? Sure, go ahead! I'll probably laugh! But flat out insult the LGBT+ and then put a "haha" at the end of it? That's not a joke. Same for any types of jokes, really. Hell, I hate South Park, but still it can get a chuckle out of me at some moments. Weight jokes, autism jokes, etc. As long as the joke is an actual joke, then it's fine for me.
You're proving his point. Getting emotional over LGBT jokes? That is a group that does everything in their power to have your business and career dead if you say something mildly offensive. They deserve to be called out on the hypocrisy.
@@MKomortasS "Getting emotional over LGBT jokes?" Did you miss the part where I said I'm okay with LGBT jokes? Did you just pick and choose and twist words to fit your argument? Plus this comment is 6 years old, you are way out of date.
I make jokes about mental conditions all the time, and I Suffer from Aspergers, If can take jokes about it, and make jokes about it why should I stop, because it might offend some people who most likely aren't suffering from anything?
I think it also depends on how you're using a word. If you tell an autistic person that they're autistic, then it's not good, but you mean no real serious harm. But if you use autistic as an insult, that's not good.
Exactly, if people made jokes about ADHD that weren’t malicious, I would probably laugh and I have ADHD. As long as it’s not mean spirited I wouldn’t be mad
That is true but there are some boundaries that you need to set up. Yes a joke without the slightest provocation is incredibly dull but there still needs to be consideration to the people you're basing\directing your joke at. Its all about taking risks without going too far. At least I think I just thought it up haha
Lol, as a university student, I can tell you there is a large population who get offended by things. It's not a majority but it's big enough. Example- I said in a class that I didn't think there are many female comedians compared to men. It's not because they're female, it's because they're not bloody funny.
I like how everyone in this comments section is complaining about SJW's, meanwhile I've only seen a few comments about people who thrive off of offending people. Hmm..
And that's why MARRIED WITH CHILDREN is one of the BEST TV shows ever...! xD (why haven't you talked about it more often, critic? It takes place in Chicago for god's sake)
I really wish racism didn't exist. Not because I want to make jokes, I just wish I didn't have to feel like I'm walking on eggshells when I make an observation. Sure, I may be wrong at times, but that's the point of learning and making mistakes. Heck, nowadays if I said something like, "Asians like rice," someone would be upset. I'm making a small observation, is it wrong? Am I incorrect? What about that was racist? Yet, if get offended by that, just imagine jokes. I wish this was no longer a thing and ideal.
It's really just a matter of who you hang out with. My brother and I, black people, have friends who are Mexican and Nepali. We make race jokes all the time, sometimes about our races, sometimes about others. My family has adopted white relatives, and we make all sorts of jokes about crazy race relations in America. But yes, I generally don't talk much with people I don't know well because of that "walking on eggshells" feeling too.. (Besides just generally being an awkward introvert who can only relate to others on a nerdy level) It really sucks. Rereading your comment, yes, making factual observations is oddly extremely offensive to many people too! Just simply criticizing feminists in their mixed up goals and hypocrisies, or black people's constant hating on other black people who do "white" things, calls for so much offense...
Strawberries777 Yeah, same here. I have a wide variety of white, Mexican, Asian, and black friends. One of my friends, who is black, constantly makes jokes about his color. "Why, is it because I'm black?" and alike. Still, we know he's joking so we pay it no mind. Regardless, I personally don't feel comfortable MAKING those jokes, but hearing them is fine, depending on the person. I just wish there wasn't this sense of social pride that one peoples are better than others. I see everyone as equals in terms of race. As a Mexican myself, I feel no real pride in my country of origin or America that I live in now. I just think that I'm nothing special, so I really feel no attachment to either. I don't hate them, it's just that I don't exactly take pride in saying "I'm Mexican," or "I live in America." To me, I'd much prefer to say that I'm happy with who I am, not for any racial or background reasons.
+Orchestrafanboy19 Yeah, I can understand that. While for me, I am pretty, I guess, prideful with being African American, I don't make it out to have any more or less value than other ethnicities and nationalities. It's just a different one with its own culture and history, the same as everyone else has. Each culture and race have their own cool bits, looks, and gimmicks unique to them. It's from people who take pride too far that we get racists demeaning others and their origins... Or nationalists saying their country is the best because so and so, when really, all countries are pretty messed up one way or another. This is because all people are messed up one way or another.
Strawberries777 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, "I'm glad I'm ____ race." I may not feel that way, but I certainly don't put other people down for feeling that way. We're not perfect in any sense of the word, but I feel differences are important. If we didn't have them, the world would be in a worse state. If the entire world were like me, the advancements that have been made in different fields most likely wouldn't have been made. If only people realized this and reasoned that our differences make us unique. If people realized that others are people just like them, people that want the best out of life and the best for their loved ones, the world would be a better place. I hold onto the hope that intelligent people like you will win over ignorant ones.
Chris Rock would frequently make similar observations: "It's okay for a white person to say 'Black people have thick lips', because it's a true observation. We do tend to have thicker lips than white people."
Kyle Roy I really feel that this is a very toxic mindset. would you think jokes about such topics like suicide are funny? I really don't think that is healthy tbh
That’s really glorifying what you think is a groundbreaking point. Most people who think that way have little to say and more importantly aren’t nearly as funny as they think
Honestly, if Richard Pryor can make a joke about setting himself on fucking fire and have it still be funny, then it's clear that anything can be funny, it just takes a clever comedian.
Sam Geuvenen I'd argue that even a rape joke can be funny. Granted, it would be insensitive to tell it in front of a recent rape victim, but like Doug said that's where timing comes into play.
I think he makes a good point. I'm a Mormon and I'm not offended at the Book of Mormon Musical. No one is making me see it. No one is telling me I have to enjoy it. So, there's no reason to be offended. What I am offended at is the double standard, where if this was about Muslims or Buddhists, then it would be offensive. But that's not the creator's fault. They're not the ones saying, "Mormons okay, Muslims off limits." The alternative is to Book of Mormon Musical. How is that right or fair? It's not! It's slippery slope that will come back and haunt us.
I don't like "go back to the kitchen", "woman, make me a sandwich", and related jokes not because I'm a woman, but because it's getting old and really annoying. We get it, guys, this is a common gender role from way back. But still, nothing should be off limits to comedy. I have a friend with a rude sense of humor, and it's really helped me prime for more off color humor.
My wife wanted a child so I started working a ton of overtime and now she stays home watching him and cooking every night. How does that make you feel?
@@cherryspice1011 It all depends on who's making the joke and who's the target. This is a great video except for the fact that Doug never talked about the concept of "punching up", which happens to be a rule of comedy that an awful lot of comedians live by, even if it's completely subconsciously. Put simply, "punching up" means that you should not make fun of those that are typically seen as being below you in terms of social standing/equality but instead make jokes at those who are above you (or equal to you). For example, I as a white person would probably rightly be called out as being offensive if I tried to joke about the historical or daily experiences of people of colour. I honestly believe that no topic is ultimately off-limits when it comes to comedy in a general sense, but everyone does have certain topics that are off-limits to them specifically.
I agree that the "women belong in the kitchen" joke yeah its getting old and unfunny. However I think you can joke about how women can be unpredictable to an extent. It points out truth in a generalized. Of course having in mind that not all women are like that.
To me, anything is funny. There is *nothing* off limits when it comes to comedy. I guess that does put me on the side of "shock comedy." Jerry Seinfeld couldn't be any more tame of a comedian, and the fact that people have a problem with him shows comedy is in a dark state.
Wait people got offended at speedy Gonzalez....People do know that he was a badass hero with super speed who always saved the day in the end right, wtf people?
All that bull about Walt Disney supposedly being an anti-semite mainly came from the big animator's strike of 1941 which was spearheaded by prominently Jewish animators like Art Babbitt. The fact that most of them were Jewish as well as adding caricatures of them in a negative light in a few of their shorts and movies lead some people to assume the worst without the proper context. In reality Walt hired several Jews, Hispanics, and women to work on his projects, he pretty much said he doesn't care what ethnic or gender background his artists are from and only cares about how talented they are. Hell, he even convinced the Academy to give James Baskett the first Oscar for a black person, all because of how talented and great an actor he was.
Best break down of comedy I have ever seen. Thank you for such a deeply insightful look into the dynamics and mechanics of humor. Nostalgia Critic is a hoot and a holler!!
Doug, your videos are brilliantly written. Funny as well as informative and conflicting. You really are one of the best youtubers out there. Great job!
SilverSmile Look into his actions regarding gamergate. Someone on his squad wanted to do a video on it but he put a stop to it. He also propogates misinformation like the wage gap. I'll admit that he's MUCH more sane than most SJW types, but he's still among their ranks.
The whole Speedy Gonzales controversy is interesting. There was a similar character that rose from that time, who was more of a marketing mascot and less of a comedy cartoon character. His name was the Frito Bandito. My uncle works for Frito Lay, and what from what has told me, Frito Lay was sued for the character being a Mexican stereotype. If Mexicans were not offended by Speedy Gonzales being a thing, why were they offended by the Frito Bandito?
I think one of the biggest crimes of punching down is that it's not funny. Not in an "on principle" way, like genuinely I signed up to laugh at something and am instead being bored. The best comedians base their humor on personal experiences because the more oddly specific and relatable a joke is, the funnier it is. I'm autistic so I'll use that as an example. It's just tired and stupid to see people mocking our mannerisms, but an autistic comedian doing a whole bit on finding increasingly ridiculous ways they try to stop doing raptor hands? That's fucking hilarious. And like I know what you're thinking, that seems restrictive cause most people aren't a part of that specific demographic. Honestly though, it still works. I laugh way harder at comedy based on the comedian's personal experiences even if *I've* never experienced it in my life.
I think that humor is affected by the following: Timing- Making jokes about natural disasters right after a major one happened isn’t a good idea, that goes without saying. The critic already adressed this when he talked about “too soon”, some things are so disastrous and catastrophic that time is needed to heal before the subject isn’t too painful to approach. Subject- this is something I saw just today, a VA for the new resident evil game died and people are commenting “F in the chat” under the IGN article. The reason it’s disrespectful is because “F in the chat” is used more for memes and non important occurrences, so when someone posts that under an article talking about someone that just passed away it can be seen as not taking it seriously. Audience- Pretty straightforward, some jokes just won’t work with certain audiences. Best example is probably nazi jokes in Germany. I don’t think I need to explain why most germans don’t find them funny but I’ve met plenty of people who tell germans these types of jokes and expect them to laugh. And when confronted they get uncomfortable about it, as if they never expected that reaction. In the end, comedy should callenge you, but it is just as important to challenge the comedy. I doubt that comedy will ever stop changing because we don’t stop changing.
So, the two ends of the comedy spectrum can be represented by 4chan, quite possibly one of the most offensive site on the internet, and Tumblr, quite possibly the most offended site on the internet.
That charity shout out was great. Ronald McDonald House took care of my sister and brother-in-law when their new born son was diagnosed with bacterial meningitis. Unfortunately my nephew lost the fight but Ronald McDonald House made the month of hell they were going through easier. Great charity organization. 👍
+Andrew Bray Did u not watch the video? Offensive jokes are told all the time..it just comes down to whether its mean spirited. Rewatch the Chappel part.
He does. One of his top 11 fuck up vids addresses an offensive joke he made in his Ernest Saves Christmas review. I think the joke was about a scene where children are watching a puppet show and the kids themselves look way too old to be watching a show like that, which led to an autism gag.
You see, this is what I like about Doug. Since he's a comedian, it would have been so easy to say "Fuck anyone who's offended" and leave it at that, but instead he actually looks fairly at both sides and calls out the extremes of both. I really like how he always looks at both sides and doesn't disregard anyone.
Yeah this is a good issue to talk about. In my own summary of this video, make a joke out of good intentions and reasons while also be smart about it and have common sense. If people are offended then expect that but know why they feel offended and question yourself if you whether or not meant to hurt anyone. And don't get suck into the hatred and rage of people who are offended because once you do, you lose any good reasons of your jokes. Always challenge and question things in your comedy rather then to shock people and do it in a way to represent the joke well not to be politically correct or to be so offensive, but to get the message or joke through.
I also agree Heck even though I don't like movies like Friday or movies in where a black sheep robs just because, they don't say it because all blacks act like that they say it because of how people react to one another
When Wes Craven made Last House on the Left and The Hills Have Eyes people weren't only shocked but offended cut to years later He makes New Nightmare and Scream which both address too much and too little of both good and bad it is to be scared
+Junglehero127 You know who the truly offensive comedians are, don't you? It's the ones who aren't funny at all.
(Not Doug Walker, obviously.)
+Junglehero127 i think also cause he's greatly inspired by ropurt
+Junglehero127 I agree 100%. I lot of people give him a hard time for taking the middle ground, or not taking a hard stance, but so many people wouldn't even acknowledge the validity of this question, or claim "free speech" as a way to silence critics (criticism is also free speech, folks!). Plus, often the middle ground is the most reasonable option. I usually find myself agreeing with him, for the most part if not entirely.
We actually fucking adore speedy gonzales in Mexico. He is a stereotype, yes, thing is, just like Jerry, he is smart, charming, energetic, and always outwits his chaser. For an american cartoon to make a foreigner character the good one, we took it as a compliment and were actually flattered.
that is what i say
I am canadian, and I adore it when shows like the simpsons and south park make fun of us
kicsnasdc oh yeah, sorta like how Apu has a doctorate, owns a business, is friends with multiple celebrities, and still insists on maintaining his culture and not being gentrified.
kicsnasdc People just get offended by everything nowadays even when a group of people dont mind something white people are still offended by it
@@celeste1823 the royal Canadian wedding had me and my dad howling, "the Duke of Calgary is putting on a fake beard, as is tradition "
I am a joke and I find this offensive.
you couldn't even get your unoriginal joke right.
Um...okay?
+Yotam Shitrit hilarious and original
+Yotam Shitrit
Orignal joek 10/10
~Brock Obama
+Yotam Shitrit GUESS WHAT ! *NOBODY CARES !!!!* :D
Reason why Kevin Hart is loved by most and doesn’t have that many haters.
I remember watching a Spongebob episode where Spongebob becomes a famous comedian by cracking jokes at his Squirrel friend but later when he decides not to joke about her as she gets offended , he starts losing his audiences . The episodes ends by Spongebob making jokes about himself which started to regain his lost audience.
Example: Laugh at my pain
Albert Richard and he makes a crack at Mr. Krabs & the last line was gonna take a jab at Patrick’s species
Sometimes you should laugh at yourself.
Justin Thomas maybe that was the writer’s goal?
I remember that episode too!
Kinda, but you missed the point of the end. He doesn't just make jokes about himself, he stops just making squirrel jokes and starts joking about everyone. Basically the argument (that I support) of you can't be racist if you are racist to every race equally. Whites? They shoot first, ask questions never! Blacks? Watch your purse, shoes, and wallet! Asians? Take your problem kids to one of them for 5 minutes and they'll behave for life. All inherently race based jokes, but since you don't just stick to one race it comes off way better, and even gives you more material
As the french humorist Pierre Desproges said : "on peut rire de tout mais pas avec tous le monde", "We can laugh about anything, but not with everybody".
He said that in a specific context though..
That is, to say... Jean-Marie le Pen, world's biggest bigot.
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everyone**
"You always get hit by people who don't get the joke."
-The Joker
Dang,the one time joker was right about....anything.
DA TRUTH
sooo true!!!
Good quote but I mean if your trying to make a point using the joker as your basis of logic isn't a good idea haha x)
It's all my fault, I didn't get the joke
"When Does a Joke Go Too Far?"
"Adam Sandler"
+Ren Dle touche
+Eskmm1
"When Does a Joke Go Too Far?"
"Nicol Arbour"
wait.. I'm wrong, she's a psychopathic abuser.
+Eskmm1 When it forgets to comeback?
+Eskmm1 Sandlers problem is that he dosen't go far enough, his films are just so lazily put together.
+LiquidArmProduction He's too reliant on his older fanbase and relies on replicating the feeling of nostalgia. If he's writer, always expect a childish poop joke that'll get the old men laughing. If Kevin James is in it, hide. The reason why the poop jokes and other nowadays childish humor worked in the 90's because, as shocking as it was, it was in a time where such jokes were adult humor.
I still think this is one of Nostalgia Critics best videos.
Yes!
And there's still ppl out there who think he has lost his mojo
@@etaquince5220 Honestly I think he has gotten funnier over the years. He may no longer being doing it as a passion but that does not mean the quality has gone away.
@Babyyoshi309. Absolutely right!
True
I once got in trouble at school for telling an "insensitive joke". We were all supposed to says something for breast cancer awareness month ecen if it was just something little. So when it was my turn to go up and say something I said "What's breast cancer's favorite song? Thanks for the mammaries." I got in school suspension for a week for offensive language.
+Emily Nuzum What did your parents think of the situation? Were they on your side, or did they agree with the ludicrous punishment?
+Emily Nuzum thats a good joke you said its not cool that they did that
+Emily Nuzum That's because it was insensitive. Are you an idiot?
+Varuna Heart bleeding heart much?
+Emily Nuzum That's stupid, it was a perfectly good joke, not terribly funny, but simply a PUN. You weren't making fun of the people, just of cancer itself. Geez, talk about having no criteria...
I wonder what people offended by the Simpsons would think of Cyanide and Happiness
True that shit is fucked up
+Coty Lee they wouldn't have time to think - their heads would just explode
+Coty Lee Most unorthodox!
+Coty Lee Put Em Down
+Coty Lee C&H is fucking awesome.
“The great enemy of clear language is insincerity.” --George Orwell
It's like politicians haven't even heard of Orwell.
Or don't what to know in general.
Mike Bebergilia said it best in his recent comedy show
"If you have to say "I was joking" to defend a joke, you probably failed at telling the joke."
exactly! so many trolls (4channers and Reddit users, mostly) lean on that "it's a joke!" in order to garner an angry reaction.
@@definitelynotkraw to be fair, most of that is just them specifically trying to screw with overly offended people, not them failing to make a joke work
The problem is that you can fail in so many ways, I'm sure that if you say one word wrong or it just comes out in the wrong tone which can both happen easily
Then how someone understands the joke in the first place? You know not everybody can handle jokes like you or some other people do.
If you're a comedian and your joke draw boos from the crowd then that's an example of a failed joke. Not that people didn't get it. It's a bad or distasteful joke overall.
It's about time someone posted a video about this. Thanks Doug
Hell yeah 😎
+Ben Wasserman PREACH or whatever...
+Ben Wasserman we need more people like doug to speak the truth and not be afraid of what people will say because he brings up good points and hits the nail on the head
ThePikachuvirus Ya Donald Trump would have a bad hair day....oh wait that's every day
Elwood Hellsythe Perfect example of bad humor. Thank you for volunteering
Thank you for saying all of this! This really needed to be said in this age of overly sensitive people!
+Anime America Haha holy crap I actually had just subbed to your channel a few minutes ago
Hey, I love your videos!
yeah, yesterday i posted a pic that i found of Brock Lesnar suplexing the WTC and i got ton of hate comments
+Anime America And overly offensive people.
+Anime America I agree with every word you and Doug said
I don't really find the old Speedy Gonzales that offensive either. Mostly because the "offensive" jokes never felt like they were meant to be making fun of Mexicans. The impression that they left me was they were really making fun of Americans. It was as if the creators of the shorts were acknowledging how ignorant they themselves were about Mexican culture. And considering these shorts were made because of the Good Neighbor policy, one can assume they were intended with good humor towards the Mexicans, not against them. Just look at the title character! He's a Mexican that fast, clever, brave, and efficient. Why wouldn't Mexicans want to be portray like that?!
As a mexican, it never cross my mind that it was ofensive in any way, it was an inofensive really fun cartoon, and i really like how he was portrayed in the new looney toones cartoon...It is not mean to be taken seriously, the only kind of rasis stuff were the crows, but they are porrayed as mexicans from the revolutionary ages wich hapens several CENTURIES ago were male mexicans were kind of like that, lassy and drunkl since there was nothing more to do rather than work or fight in the war but it was a kind of outdated joke but is not like bugs wasnt figthing in the medieval ages... or daffy as a futuristic usseles hero.
Alan Fuentes Ramirez I'm very glad that they brought Speedy back for the new cartoons too. He's such a great character! :)
J.G Productions Well, I can see how someone today could see it that way. Although, I still don't think that what the creators had intended to imply. Considering that stealing food was the sort of thing that most cartoon mice did back in the day. And the the fact that Speedy was usually put up against Sylvester and Daffy, who were known to be selfish and aggressive, and there for, had it coming to them.
Marleena Ulry I'm not sure exactly either, I think it was more unintentionally offensive
Maybe that's why some Americans hated Speedy: it was a direct confrontation with their own biased view of mexicans.Just kidding, that would be farfetched.
"You should't take life too seriously" a life lesson my great grandmother gave me :)
Sometimes you should, otherwise you'd be full of apathy
@@chris_the_heartbeat_lover.1994 Not if it falls into nationalism or autocrats, thats how you get history of conflicts. Liberty to be who you are and understand and defend liberty of others aswell, aslong as it doesnt infringe on others (Slavery for example is bad).
Wow, dude. This video was fucking fantastic.
+MrRepzion it does gives a bigger grasp how comedy works
+MrRepzion Yeah, you could probably use or quote some of this when reacting to those videos of people going "ITZ JUS A JOK!!11!!" or "Y WUD U MAK FUN OF DIZ".
Repzion?! Wat are youuuu doing here? I won't ask you to make more controversial videos, but make more controversial videos.
Condemned Timpa Well, Anita is and for lots and lots of reasons
FUCK YOU
Over-sensitivity is certainly a thing, but in my experience, when someone on the internet says "people are too sensitive" what he means is "I can't believe people are calling me a racist just because I said something unforgivably racist. What gives?" I'm really kind of sick of the word "sensitive". The conversation would be a lot more interesting if we just let people feel however they damn well want to feel about things. If someone feels offended, maybe instead of being a dick about it we could just hear them out. They might have a point if we're willing to think about it from their point of view. And if we disagree, well then we can have a productive discussion about it instead of just calling each other names like goddamn children. When the conversation begins and ends with "you're just being too sensitive", no one gains anything from it.
***** The fact that it's not black and white is precisely my point. Everyone has different experiences and will find different things offensive. The fact that someone else might disagree does not make their feelings invalid. I'm sick of seeing people demonized for being offended by things they find offensive.
You say "offense isn't given, only taken". Well, I don't have a pithy idiom to retort with, but that's bullshit. Offense is given whenever you make statements about someone without thinking about it from their point of view and considering how it affects them. When you stereotype a group of people, when you belittle their struggles, when you make baseless accusations, or express ridicule towards them - when you do these things, even for the sake of a joke, that is giving offense, And even when this is done unintentionally, it doesn't give the comedian some sort of moral high ground; people still have the right to react negatively to poorly chosen words.
In short, if people are being offended by your jokes, you probably need to work on your delivery or get better material. It's not the audience's fault you're not funny.
+Kurt Reinkemeyer Except the remark about racism didn't relate whatsoever to any of those points, people truly can be oversensitive, and sometimes you need to be offensive to get a point across.
You can't go all your life not making an offensive statement. You gotta take a stand sometime on something and when you take a stand, someone will always find it offensive without fail. But, what's the alternative? Not taking a stand because you're afraid of offending someone? That gives you no base to rely on when things get really bad.
Yes, no one, not even comedians have a moral high ground when it comes to offense. But at the same time, it isn't a golden ticket for people to be just automagically offended at any little thing. We're supposed to be challenged, we're supposed to stand there and have our expectations turned on their heads. Getting offended or offending is a sign you're just another human being. How you react to it, that's what determines what quality person you are. If you're sitting around, pointing the finger shouting "THAT'S OFFENSIVE!" Then guess what, you deserve to be offended and I hope desperately you have a mental breakdown from it. But if you listen, admit to yourself that could be offensive to someone and decide maybe there's just more important things to concern yourself with and move on, well that's mature and thoughtful and how it should be. Unless someone is telling the joke and punching you in the face or advocating for your destruction. Then it's totally all right to get up in arms about it.
+Kurt Reinkemeyer The problem comes when the offended party immediately seeks to remove the speech of the offender without hearing them out, and vice versa. I can tell you that some people that claim offense can often be just as offensive or even MORE offensive in their "defense of the little guy" than the original offender. Many that speak insensitively do so from pure ignorance, but the immediate snap to vitriol and pitchforks rather than open dialogue makes the offender more likely to go on the defensive and refuse to listen to the offended instead of reassessing their own values. It's the difference between ducking in a bunker at lobbed grenades and accepting a gentle guiding hand.
*****
Yes, I've had people go out of their way to try and hurt me psychologically. One of them was my ex fiance. She....ooh ooh ooooh, I could advocate for her destruction any day, you can have her.
Have you ever heard an Aristocrats joke? An interesting mental exercise actually. It's all about this family trying to make it into show business. The joke is told differently from person to person and goes out of the way to offend and go over the top in tastelessness and sheer debauchery. It's supposed to offend in the highest level without actually being funny.
Yes, there are mental limits in patience and tolerance people can have. Does this mean we should not keep challenging other people even if it offends them? No. A world where everyone refuses to offend each other is a world where we are mindless sheep. Not just of the condescending teenager definition, but truly not using the great minds that have defined us for so long.
If we were afraid of how others thought about something, we wouldn't have this computer we're each at because new ideas are offensive. We wouldn't interact with each other because in some cultures, shaking hands with the left hand is offensive.
There are so many things we all do or take for granted that offend others. This does not mean we stop living. Offense is part of life.
+David Roberson TL; DR: None, because if you don't have the patience and/or respect to read through this or if you feel your time/life would be better spent elsewhere, go ahead. Pursue your hopes and dreams. Go start that novel you're always talking about.
I think your points are all really well made, but don't take certain things into account. Challenging new ideas and offense aren't mutually exclusive. Something can be offensive and intellectually stimulating at the same time, it can be intellectually stimulating and not offensive, OR it can be purely offensive with no educational value. And I'm pretty sure there's a scale involved with that too. Also, I think there's different kinds of offense. Like, being offended that the lightsabers in the new Star Wars movie are different doesn't really affect that person that much...unless they have serious issues. It's not like as if, say, someone was saying your childhood hero was a piece of shit soon after they died. In the same way, I think there's a difference between someone who says 'that's inappropriate therefore we shouldn't laugh at it', and say, a sexual assault survivor who has just heard a joke made about such things in a public setting where they didn't expect it.
That won't challenge most people. Maybe a select few have superhuman psyches and if the joke is insightful will take something positive away from the experience. Otherwise though, being reminded of something like that is at least extremely unpleasant and at worst traumatic. I didn't know this before, and I know the term seems silly to a lot of people who don't know a whole lot about it, but being 'triggered' doesn't just mean getting a little pissy at your keyboard. If it helps, think of it in terms of the old guy from Drake and Josh archetype. You know, the one who went around the house, tying people up and acting like he was back in Vietnam? And yeah, that's an exaggerated portrayal, but that's based on actual cases of PTSD, which people didn't even believe was a real thing until well after World War I. So yeah, old, tough, war horses like that get 'triggered' by things, just like how people online do. Just think about those guys and how they differ from what our idea of a 'triggered person' is like. PTSD just stands for post traumatic stress disorder, which is probably a better name for people's experiences than 'triggered' anyway.
At risk of being condescending (and I'm sorry if I am), I just would like to explain the term in an easily understandable way. 'post traumatic'- After the trauma. So, after really, really, _really_ bad shit has gone down, you get 'stressed' about that shit, and it's a disorder, which means the 'stress' doesn't go away. And according to people I've talked to, 'having an episode' or 'getting triggered' usually means anything from severe headaches, throwing up, dizziness, inability to sleep accompanied by nightmares, etc, etc, etc. Which, again, does that sound like a person being overly sensitive? But it's understandable. How would a normal, mentally healthy person who has never experienced anything traumatic understand, unless they took the time to learn about it (Note: I have met people who've been through trauma who are not affected in the same ways and who are perfectly fine making jokes about it. But then I think it should be up to the individual what they're okay with.)?
Honestly though, what's my solution? It sounds ridiculous, but what if there were comedy places specifically for offensive comedy and ones for less-offensive comedy (because as Doug said and I'll admit all comedy is offensive in some way)? That way, no matter what you think of the other side you have your own thing, everybody's happy and we can finally stop having this dumb argument.
:v
As Stalin said "dark humor is like food. Not everyone gets it"
That definitely sounds like something he would say
that quote is right on the Marx
wow
wooooooosshh
You mean Trotsky. Stalin would never have said that. He's a known liar.
When does a joke go too far?
Joker: How about another joke Murray?
No I think we've had enough of your jokes.
thealiencommunicator what do you get when you cross a mentally ill loner with a society that abandons him, and treats him like trash?!
TheGamingPolitician You get what you fucking deserve!
Call the police, Gene, call the police!
She hit a boy with her car. He's dead.
5:59 that actually is true, and someone wrote a letter saying they were offended that seinfeild said they were too easily offended
+GreenNinjaTea www.huffingtonpost.com/anthony-berteaux/jerry-seinfeld-politcally-correct-college-student_b_7540878.html my sources
Apparently college campuses have become political correctness on steroids.
+karoomay how do you think Tumblr got dominated by social justice blogs?
+karoomay This is very true, and I am at a community college, and it's painful how many speakers have to be careful about everything. One speaker said "the homosexual community needs to advance from the rainbows and fairies to be taken seriously by modern society" and was shut down 35 minutes into to a 90 minute seminar and has not returned ever since.
+karoomay couldn't have worded that better myself. College students are to sensitive with their trigger warnings and such that they can't grow or challenge themselves. So many brilliant talkers banned just to protect these "fragile victims".
Comedy is a coping mechanism used to make light of shitty or even terrible things so as to relieve the weight they carry. If we didn't have comedy, the world would be a very bleak and depressing place.
Yeah I know what you mean about that. Sorry to hear about your situation. One of the greatest things I ever learned to do was laugh at myself and things I had no control over. Sometimes it's the only way you can put a smile on your face and take the edge off. Besides whiskey, of course :P
I know this is old but its not always appropiate like if you made jokes about a woman who just suffered from abuse its not appropriate
manwhowatches exactly how I feel! there are plenty of ways to be funny and not offend people.
@@cherryspice1011well you're kindof right but there's always another connected way of challenging someone's pride
Memes are how I am getting through 2020 with a sane mind now
This may be your most well-constructed, well-written, well-presented editorial yet. Great work, Doug.
if I point at a crippled person and yell HAHA HES CRIPPLED thats not a joke your just mocking someone
Or if you go "Aaaaugh I don't know what I said, I don't remember!" like our President did during the campaign while flailing your arms like you have a disability, you're just an ass.
Still funny
@@unorthodoxromance254 THANK YOU
HydraLord1221 nice dude nice 👍
UnorthodoxRomance Your a moron he makes fun of everyone like that. He did the same thing to Senator Cruz. Trump won and is going to win again in 2020 because whiny liberals like you.
This video perfectly describes what's wrong with social justice warriors.
Well then you must be a misogynist, racist, and homophobe
+Scott Sandler oh, of course. I also like eating small children for breakfast and making sure that all of the visitors in my very own concentration camp are having a good time.
I dont know about you guys, but i fucking love giving women 3/4 of what i give men and getting up and moving when a blackman sits by.
+GreenNinjaTea the pay gap isn't real its actually an earn gap as men tend to dedicate more time to their work. therefore earning more money. the more you know.
lone wanderer bruh ive always known its fake.
Comedy is what makes the world beautiful, what makes it colorful. It's not art, it's not science, it's not politics. When you're talking to someone you've just met and trying to be friends with would you rather have a silly joke in your mind or a strong political argument that may opposite his? When you get home stressed out by work, would you rather read a book on Quantum Physics or watch Friends? Everything is important at its on place, there's no right time. If comedy one day dies, we would fall into idiocracy and I, personally, wouldn't want to live in a world like that
Why not art, science, politics AND comedy that make the world beautiful?
Just saying, a little nitpick.
Otherwise, spot on comment.
Of course, some folks settle for a book to relieve stress. Or video games. Or a conversation about meaningful subjects, like where you lose the remote.
Just adding fuel to your fire, that's all.
+pupp3tStudios I'm not saying that comedy is more important than everything else nor it is the most important thing in the world, I'm just saying that it is an unchangeable part of life, it is irreplaceable. And I'm not referring only to professional humor, I mean everything that's funny.
...depends on the quantum physics books...
Some people don't want it. I don't laugh with all the jokes unless I understand it's a joke, probably.
...I'd rather read Quantum physics textbooks friends is too mean spirited
What amazes me is how the people who aren't really supposed to even be offended are the ones who act offended. When some guy said the n word on the chat forum, all the white people called him racist. When speedy Gonzales was called offensive, it wasn't the mexicans who complained, it was people who weren't mexican.
+Bailskywalker That might explain why the PC brigade in that South Park episode were all white guys.
+Bailskywalker
It's either fat ass land whale chicks with pink hair and big glasses, or the beta-males saying yes to everything the former said to get laid.
+CalvinCoolidge1924 Really? What's the true definition? I'm legitimately curious to hear what you think.
Diego The Star Pirate Yeah, I know what "Southern American" is. We prefer to be called Southerners by the way.
Diego The Star Pirate Dixieman? I like that. Can I use that?
8 years ago and it still holds up
People get offended by Jerry Seinfeld because he's an anti-dentite
+Ian Berwick Next thing you know he'll be saying dentists should have their own schools
They do have their own schools
Ian Berwick RABID ANTI-DENTITE
+Ian Berwick All of the reports against him were filed by Costanza because he saw Jerry double-dipping backstage. Facts.
+Ian Berwick Anti-dentite?
As a tumblr user myself, I can honestly say that there are some crazy people on the site. You eventually get used to it and learn to find your own way to avoid the aforementioned crazy people.
same with reddit. It is well...uggghhhhh...But it is a forum and should be taken as such. Nonetheless there is truly incredible stuff there!
Sometimes when scrolling through tumblr I find something funny. Sometimes.
Katie less so on reddit. I usually go on there because it can be a great resource to find resources on CS, Physics and such. I am subscribed to /r/PhysicsBooks /r/CSbooks and /r/LearnProgramming.
It has a great commenting system and its a helpful community if you go to the right places.
Agreed!
Such as blacklists and using that ever-handy block feature. A lot of people on tumblr are pretty out there and offended far too easily, but at the same time some of them do bring up things that need addressing, like charities, various fundraisers for shelters/people going through really tough times, and the ability to express yourself no matter what gender, age, race, sexuality, or ethnicity you are.
Nicole Arbour is an example of offensive comedy that's mean spirited. Or at least in her Dear Fat People videos.
It's heavily disputed as to whether her videos constitute as 'comedy'. It's thought by some that she just throws the 'satire' label on them to mask prejudice.
Wait, Nicole arbour does comedy?!
Great point
Women doing comedy is like having dogs on skateboards. Sometimes it works but most of the time it just gets messy.
I think to call it offensive comedy it would have to be funny in the first place.
Here's something I want Doug to do an editorial on: "Why do people love horrible characters?" You know, characters like: "Eric Cartman", "Peter Griffin", and of course... "Duckman". Those are probably some of the most terrible and unredemable characters, ever to be concieved, in all of adult cartoondom. But, yet, people love those characters, despite how awful they are. Why?
Doug, I hope you read this comment, because you've got very facsinating ideas about stuff, and I would love to hear your two cents on this question.
it's like when i think it was Colbert made a comment on how Bisexuals and Trans people in LGBT communities don't get focus or attention, saying "what does the B and T stand for, Bacon and Tomato?"
People mainly on Tumblr then got pissed at him saying how HE was insulting Bisexuals and Trans people for not knowing what the B and T stand for, when he was ADDRESSING THAT VERY THING
And then pastors comes.
"You just have to use common sense."
Doug, that's a little too much to ask from the American public.
@Robert the Komodo Dragon So everyone is using common sense then, since everyone is the same
I believe Deadpool once said common sense is so rare now, it's a goddamned superpower.
There is no common sense on something that is different on every single person.
Not only american, but basically any public on the internet that exists
I'm an aspie, but I can get a laugh out of autism jokes, but suicide jokes about autism takes it a little far, or when people call us idiots because of a stupid stereotype, basically morbid jokes about people aren't funny
It's only funny when the other is laughing aswell
It's always good to not take yourself too seriously. If you take yourself too seriously you aren't truly embracing life. Don't let people make you the joke, even if you are playing the joke in the situation.
putmybeefsinyourholes Well said.
@@celeste1823 Or presented correctly
*shrugs* my favorite joke is: *A neutron walks into bar and ask; "How much for a drink here anyway?" To which the barkeep replys "For you, no charge."*
When Does a Joke Go Too Far?
This is when you can not see it anymore : )
Boooooooo
That's.... actually brilliant.
The Sunshine thanks dad😹
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nice
I think what a lot of people don't realise is comedy is often based on either misery or absurdity *without* consequences (in context at least.) Think about it, would you laugh at Tom and Jerry if the pain Tom went through in every episode actually affected him? Looking at the most famous Monty Python sketch, The Black Knight, you realise that the joke actually based on the absurdity of the knights response to being dismembered. Yes there is misery in that the knight is permanently losing his limbs but through the sheer madness and lack of genuine consequences, it ends up being hilarious for many of us. Of course, comedy is subjective anyway and no matter what you say someone will be offended. Frankie Boyle may cross any line 20 times over, but he managed to find an audience and so there is really no reason to censor his routine. On the other hand, someone out there is taking offence to Peter Kay's relatable British style. The trick is to handle offence maturely and not try to take away things that other people enjoy.
But TOM screams in pain constantly. Do you mean that he recovers before the next gag?
@@VicenteTorresAliasVits pretty much. each episode is self contained. if he broke a leg in one episode and continued with into the next and throughout a season it wouldn't be a comedy anymore. or at least it would be a very different kind of humor.
How can you handle offence maturely? Suggest any ideas?
I think a joke goes too far when it makes its intended audience legitimately uncomfortable. 9/11 jokes are funny to some, but tell them to a 9/11 survivor and it's no longer a joke. There's no such thing as "Everything's ok to joke about," which many pseudo intellectuals cop out to because they lack the brain processing power to actually think about it for a second. I don't know one GOOD comedian who would use offensive humor just for the sake of being offensive. I personally find offensive jokes funny when they're used in good taste, but not everyone finds them funny and if they're your intended audience, then you have a problem. And personally, offensive humor for the sake of being offensive, like Bob Saget getting on stage cussing because "HAHA It's the dad from Full House saying cunt!" is just bad humor. When you revert to shocking your audience for a laugh, then you're a bad comedian. I like Jim Jefferies myself. Some of his stuff is pretty raunchy but it's not the theme of his act. Like when he talks about his kid seeing his dick in the shower. It's funny because he's talking about how kids can sometimes catch us off guard. Now if he just did what Bob Saget does and said something like, "My fucking kid saw my cock and now he's probably going to get hard you cock sucking mother fucker." I mean, where's the humor in that? Offensive humor must be directed at the appropriate audience and be part of an overall theme. That's just my opinion though.
+Vic Vinegar One thing I hate is when comedians who aren't funny say something they know will piss off as many people as possible because theyre guaranteed to get some defenders and publicity. They're manipulating people into believing they're better than they really are.
***** would you make a 9/11 joke to a New Yorker though?
***** well that's dumb
Henry Kane Good for your aunt. That's not what I'm talking about AT ALL. Completely missing the point. If you make a 9/11 joke at a NY comedy club, prepare to get your ass beat. It's called knowing your audience. My OP is about knowing your audience.
Vic Vinegar Well now I feel like a dumbshit. Preparation for deleting comment - Complete.
When Seth Macfarlane hosted the Oscars, he made a joke about Lincoln’s death and said, “150 and we’re still too soon, huh?” That got some groans but also some laughter from the audience.
south park > family guy
I agree
+Sir Locust (Antonio) not enough >
I used to like Family Guy more but when I properly watched South Park,>>>>>>>>>>>> Family Guy.
+Sir Locust (Antonio) Just about ANY adult show like Rick and Morty > Family Guy
+Sir Locust (Antonio) Agree
To all thosecalling him an SJW I recommend this video.
If anything he’s mostly a moderate
@David Smith exactly. Just because someone hates Donald Trump doesn’t make them a liberal. Also Donald Trump is not a real conservative. He’s a neoconservative.
@David Smith What's wrong with the term Kong-flu. China deserves to get made fun of, this is the same country that has concentration camps for Muslims, and forced black people to pick cotton.
@David Smith I consider myself a strictly apolitical person and even I hate Trump's guts.
@@MovieEnforcer I mean, just because you dislike Trump doesn't necessarily make a you a liberal either. I have a moderately conservative friend who hates Trump. There are plenty of people who lean on one side of the political spectrum but hate certain people on that same spectrum.
This video being uploaded was so well timed that I think you guys and Nicole Arbour planned it. XD
+BASSFZz He did a surprisingly good job of presenting the topic.
Scratch Point Yeah. He's goofy in the movie reviews, but he has very good commentary on a lot of topics.
BASSFZz Agreed. I think a lot of people forget that "Nostalgia Critic" is a character, but that tends to happen with a lot of these personalities.
Scratch Point True that. Lots of people do miss that lol.
+BASSFZz I was actually surprised how balanced and put together this was considering the stringent pro-sjw lines that many members of his channel have taken. it's nice to see Doug at least still has sense.
"You can't be more offended than the victim." - Bill Maher
The sad part is that many people still do all they can to get just as offended as the actual victims and even more so.
I remember what doug said in his demolition man review.
yea...pretty much this is how the internet works.
not saying there isn't middle ground, I personally consider myself one.
but pretty much, I hate both sides.
+Joe Olson The center is the new edgy extreme, top kek
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TakeAThirdOption
+Jovial Bard Very true, the middle ground is awful, it's filled with a bunch of idiots who choose it just so they seem more reasonable and moderate.
+Joe Olson Everyone considers themselves the middle ground. That's part of the problem.
+01 Asztronauta Just curious, what is wrong with the middle ground? Not that I have anything against those who are not in the middle. It is just that in many cases where I see points on both opposing sides or if I am unsure, I tend to stay neutral.
People seem to think that the only people who take jokes seriously are those who are offended by them. But what I see way too often are the other types of people who take jokes seriously; the ones who see jokes as justifications for their prejudice towards the people being joked about. For example, someone will make a joke about a certain group of people, and someone hearing the joke will go "Yeah, fuck those people. They're so stupid." You see it all the time on social media. Someone will make a video on UA-cam that makes fun of/parodies a certain group of people, and the comments will contain people who have a legitimate hatred towards the people being joked about. They'll say whatever is said in the video, except in earnest rather than as a joke.
My question is; why is it only the people who are offended by the joke that are told that it's just a joke? Far too often I've heard people say, "Oh lighten up. It's just a joke. Don't be so sensitive." But I don't think I've *ever* heard anyone say, "Hey, this is only meant to be a joke. Don't be an asshole."
If you want to tell people you're just joking, fine. But don't just say it to those who are offended. Say it to those who take your joke the wrong way and see it as justification for their unsavory behavior as well.
+Creepy_Chris First: I can tell you from my personal experience that what you said about people not being told of for taking Jokes as truth is false. You may not have, but as someone who actually seeks out the most offensive humor I can find, I do.
Also...you say it as if though it were a bad thing, people using jokes to laugh at and ridicule people. Should jokes ridiculing Nazis or Jihadis or the Regressive Left not also be taken seriously? They're based in reality, after all, their purpose is to be snarky, "mean spirited" and, sometimes, cynical. They are, by design, mocking and derisive, that's their purpose, to point at a group of people and say "ha, ha, you're fucking cancer". Heck, that's half of all offensive humor. When George Carlin joked about how religion was retarded, he was being serious.
"Yeah, fuck those people. They're so stupid" is one of the best sentiments you can get as a result of a joke. I give you the example of jokes at the expense of the KKK. Or are you saying that ridiculing the KKK is a bad thing?
The Crimson Fucker Perhaps I should have been a little more clear. I'm not referring to jokes being made about the KKK, Nazis and Jihadis. I'm referring to jokes being made about people who are just considered "cringey" on social media. People who have disabilities or disorders (people love to use the words related to autism as insults), fandoms, etc.
The main difference between the two is that groups like the KKK and such are *legitimately bad people*. Of course they'll be met with ridicule and be referred to as "cancer." But the problem is that people who are either part of a fandom, or just come across as "awkward" or "cringey," will receive the *exact same treatment*. And that's when I have to ask myself whether or not it's really just bullying. It's hard for me not to see these "jokes" as a gateway to exclusion and conflict.
Hell, look at LeafyIsHere. His channel is basically devoted to roasting people who come off as awkward to a lot of people, and apparently it's all supposed to be comedy. His fans defend him all the time by saying "lol its just satire bro." But when he roasted a certain autistic person, his fans decided it would be funny to send that person death threats and tell him to kill himself. The type of "comedy" he does is harmful and basically promotes bullying and ridicule.
AlphaOmegaSin also made a video a short while ago that made me unsubscribe to him. It was about this sexual device that could best be described as a fuckable controller, and he pretty much went off on people who were into fetishes that were a little...out there, coming across as completely arrogant throughout the whole video. Of course he tried to write it all off by saying "lol it's just a joke stop being so sensitive," but what didn't help his case was the way he referred to the people questioning him as "beta males," which really says a lot about the kind of person he is, not to mention his Twitter posts regarding the subject came off as more...sincere. And of course people in the comments were saying things along the lines of "lol these ppl r losers who cant get any pussy" in earnest, with no one telling them off for taking this supposed "joke" seriously.
So yeah, I'm not referring to groups like the KKK and such. I'm referring to people who, at worst, come off as "different" while not doing or promoting any harm (unlike the KKK), yet are ridiculed the same way they are.
Creepy_Chris Well...the KKK is a fandom. Why should we be able to ridicule one group of people but not another? And if we can say "Well, you can't ridicule this group" who's to say someone won't someday say "Well...if you can't ridicule one group you can't ridicule anyone?".
" legitimately bad people" And according to Feminists Men's Rights Activists and Egalitarians are "legitimately bad people", according to the Religious Right gay people and atheists are "legitimately bad people". It's easy to say "well, these people are clearly bad" without realizing that, to those people, another group of people(blacks, for instance) are "legitimately bad".
Don't get me wrong, the KKK are scum...but that's irrelevant. If anyone is given the power to, of their own accord, arbitrate who is "good" and who is "bad" and who can, therefor, be laughed at and who cannot, then that you're giving that person the power to censor anyone they dislike.
Everyone gets the shit taken out of them, that's just how humor works. The answer isn't to ban people from saying certain things, it's to grow a thicker skin and get on with your life. This is the kind of over-sensitivity that led to "safe spaces" and "trigger warnings", to University professors being fired for offending student's feelings.
It's assholery....but this is the internet. That's to be expected. It's unlikely that any of those death threats are valid, and "bullying" is, largely, bullshit online. If you have the option of simply ignoring it, it's not really bullying, you're just being overly sensitive for letting it get to you. Also...ridicule is good. Ridiculing an Autist is a dick thing to do...but some people are dicks, and there's nothing you can really do about it. You can't stop people from being dicks, especially not when they think they're anonymous. But ridiculing people, popular people, is VERY good, IF those people are asshats. Who decides if they're asshats? No one. Everyone. As long as you're not genuinely harassing them, all the ridicule in the world is a positive. I present to you the example of people like Anita Sarkesian, who NEED to be ridiculed, who NEED to be taken the shit out of because they're vile human beings. If the only people you can ridicule are the ones it's been been officially decided are "bad", then ridicule loses it's purpose.
You're supposed to antagonize the popular assholes that people think are great...that's how you erode their power and show more and more people that they're assholes. Mother Teresa is considered a Saint only because not enough people were ridiculing and criticizing her when she was active.
Not only can everyone be ridiculed, but everyone SHOULD be ridiculed. It toughens people up, and it stops them from being oversensitive little shits, demanding everyone and everything that hurts their fee-fees be censored. See: "Social Justice Warriors" for excellent example.
That you unsubscribed from someone that(I assume) you agree with simply because he took the piss out of someones weird fetish tells me that you need to grow a thicker skin yourself. If you're not a normie, you get to be made fun of, welcome to how things are. I have some fucked up fetishes, but you don't hear me bitching and moaning when I get shit for it, or when I hear people joke about them. No, in fact, I laugh along, because it's funny. If you're weird, you need to realize that you're weird and realize that other people think that you're weird. Then live with it. Cringe worthy people get to be cringed at and laughed at, this is because they're cringe worthy. It's natural to want to make fun of them(I give you the example of excessively ugly people thinking they're beautiful and getting shocked when no one agrees)..
The Crimson Fucker Your first two paragraphs are pretty much just you being technical. Don't pull that whole pseudo-philosopher "who gets to decide who's bad" bullshit. People who purposely ruin other people's lives. People who are manipulative, ignorant, and willing to hurt others constantly in an irrational manner.
"If you have the option of simply ignoring it, it's not really bullying, you're just being overly sensitive for letting it get to you." So you're a victim-blamer, then. Fantastic. You know, sometimes it isn't so easy for some people to ignore. People like to (unfortunately) believe that cyber bullying doesn't exist, failing to realize that the internet is still a form of communication. And just because it's to be expected on the internet doesn't make it right whatsoever. Normality doesn't make something okay.
"You're supposed to antagonize the popular assholes that people think are great...that's how you erode their power and show more and more people that they're assholes." And what about the average joes who get ridiculed for petty reasons? People who get ridiculed for what TV show they like or what music they listen to? Hell, that Leafy person I referred to earlier roasts people whose channels don't have much of a following. What "power" is being "eroded" from them? None. They're just being further beaten into the ground, on top of the ridicule they likely face in real life.
"It toughens people up, and stops them from being oversensitive little shits." You know what else it does? It makes them resent people and society in general. It makes them feel like they don't belong in this world. It definitely doesn't help those who are struggling with insecurity issues and depression, and it could lead to all this pent-up anger that ultimately drives them to take revenge on those who have hurt them, i.e. school shootings. School shooters are likely to have mental problems, but bullying them doesn't exactly help their situation, now does it?
And your whole, "you need to grow thicker skin" attitude doesn't help much. First of all, if *you* happen to have thick skin to the point where any negativity towards you rolls off your back, then good for you. Others aren't so lucky and are, in fact, sensitive. If someone has a history of being ridiculed throughout their lives, it could be hard for them not to see a joke as a malicious jab towards them. Second, Jim Sterling said it best: "That's exactly what thick skin is; thick. It's not impervious." Someone could be able to take some amount of ridicule, but if it keeps happening to them, it continues to eat away at their "thick skin," and it eventually gets to a point where they get tired of it and it isn't so easy to take anymore. Also, it's great that *you* are able to find it funny, but others don't, because that's another thing about humor; it's subjective.
SirMordred easy, KKK decided to be a part of a group, autistic and other disabled people did not choose to be disabled, same with minorities
Thank You Doug! You can describe humor in a way that I just can’t and you describe it well.
“Comedy doesn’t work unless someone is getting offended.” Tell Will Smith to watch this video immediately.
He defended his wife, whom has been dealing with Alopecia lately!
@@liampatrick3110 I agree its good to defend your wife, by all means always defend her, I just think he handled it in the most immature and childish way possible, like come on he has all eyes on him and thats the example he shows?
@@CountOfMonteCristo_ Fair enough
@@liampatrick3110 He defended her in the worst way he could. Besides there's a lot of shady crap around that moment. Will looked like he was cracking up beforehand, only Jada looked offended. (Not to mention the joke was EXTREMELY tame.)
You told me to use common sense.
that imply's I haven't been using normal money.
I am offended
How dare you
This monster. I will get frooples made into our national currency if it kills me...
But then it itself will be common...
Shit.
People are always gonna be offended, there is no way around it, people have to stop taking everything so personally
Like the Red Skins, Native Americans could care less about that team, in fact many of them love the team, so please cut the crap
+Rift Shredder (TJbro9) you're literally lying to yourself, they find it disgusting
I take bad comedy personally because it is just that, bad, it doesn't make me laugh. I like offensive humor when it is done well with a smart point. Take Chris Rock, when he talked about African Americans in jail he did it to illustrate a harsh reality about urban ghetto life. Contrast this with say Carlos Mencia and his jokes that play on existing stereotypes. The stereotypes his jokes play on have either been disproven or are racist and his lack of context to explain the cause of the underlying problem makes him unfunny.
Anyone can say Mexicans are lazy. But that isn't funny. Explaining the underlying pain and desperation about life is funny. His jokes rely on stereotypes, yelling, and twitching. Being offensive doesn't make you a good comedian, being a good comedian makes you a good comedian.
***** ????? way to make a reach man
+stuntmen75 bet he posted that before watching it.
This is one of my favourite videos of his. He explains it perfectly.
The reason I left Twitter was because of racist, arrogant trolls who kept showing up in my inbox using language similar to that of the Nazis. I disabled my account and ignored them even though I was very upset. Those who look to offend for the same of being horrible people who actually believe what they're saying are NOTHING like Amy Poehler, Chris Rock, Ricky Gervais, and Billy Connelly who use theirs to make you laugh and also make a difference. If we want to get offended over something, we should get offended at racist attacks, nazism in young people etc instead of comedy which is designed to make humour out of something dark.
I'm also an active member on Tumblr, since the site is a great place to talk about fandom and even activism. However, the downside of the "Social Justice" movement on tumblr is that many of the things they get offended over are either
A) Non Existent
B) were never intended to be hurtful or offensive such as a radical feminist getting upset calling a man who holds a door open for a woman is oppressive when he's just trying to be nice
There are a lot of young people on the site, in some cases 14 year olds who are looking to find their identity which is fine. Exploring whether or not you're straight, gay, bi, ace etc is healthy. But then you'll get those who claim to be "Autosexual" or "Sepiosexual" and giving themselves new pronouns and then getting mad when no one has heard of their sexuality and enjoy labeling themselves as oppressed to get attention. This causes people to get frustrated with them as they actually take away the seriousness of those fighting for equality in the LGBT community.
Not only that people seriously finding flower names offensive because they're "plantkin" or whatever seems incredibly silly.
Humour allows us to laugh at both these extremes, which is why it's a welcome ray of sunshine in a crazy harsh reality.
ThatNerdGirl 7 Nail on the head bud.
I just have a question. Are rape jokes (one example I mention) to be funny for example? In my country (Greece) there's a comedian who recently did some jokes and backfired really bad because there were a lot of rape cases during the time.
I’m here after the Oscar 2022 incident. Curious about ‘when does a joke goes too far’.
I personally don't mind jokes that can be considered offensive, but as long as it's actually done well and not an insult attempt disguised as a joke. Make a transgender or gay joke? Sure, go ahead! I'll probably laugh! But flat out insult the LGBT+ and then put a "haha" at the end of it? That's not a joke. Same for any types of jokes, really. Hell, I hate South Park, but still it can get a chuckle out of me at some moments. Weight jokes, autism jokes, etc. As long as the joke is an actual joke, then it's fine for me.
You just took the words out of my mouth.
You're proving his point. Getting emotional over LGBT jokes? That is a group that does everything in their power to have your business and career dead if you say something mildly offensive. They deserve to be called out on the hypocrisy.
@@MKomortasS "Getting emotional over LGBT jokes?"
Did you miss the part where I said I'm okay with LGBT jokes? Did you just pick and choose and twist words to fit your argument? Plus this comment is 6 years old, you are way out of date.
I make jokes about mental conditions all the time, and I Suffer from Aspergers, If can take jokes about it, and make jokes about it why should I stop, because it might offend some people who most likely aren't suffering from anything?
I think it also depends on how you're using a word. If you tell an autistic person that they're autistic, then it's not good, but you mean no real serious harm. But if you use autistic as an insult, that's not good.
You should respect peoples opinions. You cant be a dick just because you have something wrong with you
Exactly, if people made jokes about ADHD that weren’t malicious, I would probably laugh and I have ADHD. As long as it’s not mean spirited I wouldn’t be mad
@@joelow7879 then again a joke that has no bad intentions that may or may not be funny is completely subjective. “Being a dick” is entirely relative
@@breadducky4514 it also depends on the timing and the audience. Some people like it some people don’t
Comedy is the purest form of truth.
Absolutely true.
Comedy Can Expose The Truths And Problems Of Certain Subjects And Make Them Understandable To The General People
+Tristra Gyopsie I think more like a satire of truth
That is true but there are some boundaries that you need to set up. Yes a joke without the slightest provocation is incredibly dull but there still needs to be consideration to the people you're basing\directing your joke at. Its all about taking risks without going too far. At least I think I just thought it up haha
+Tristra Gyopsie Then it's a miracle that Comedy is still around
"Political Correctness kills Comedy!" - John Cleese
EscalationTV john cheese
All hail John Cleese, the Comic Messiah!
Is John Cleese from Monty Python?
However, John Cleese is one heck of a homophobe.
@@oliverdelica2289 yes and shrek 2, fawlty towers and life of Brian. He is god
Lol, as a university student, I can tell you there is a large population who get offended by things. It's not a majority but it's big enough. Example- I said in a class that I didn't think there are many female comedians compared to men. It's not because they're female, it's because they're not bloody funny.
*funny female comedians
+TalkingToMyself how did the class react to what you said? just curious
+divinuminfernum I would like to know too.
+Gordonkris Me three.
Same with my university
A vegan, an atheist, a feminist, and a Christian walked into a bar... (If you want to easily offend the most people in one go)
punchline? because that sounds like it could be funny
+Sarah Taylor how about a muslim, illegal immigrant, black lives matter activist, college student, "native american" activist
+Sarah Taylor how do we know about these three? because they publicly announce it as soon as they walk in.
A good Christian woukd never walk into a bar.
Hahaha
I like how everyone in this comments section is complaining about SJW's, meanwhile I've only seen a few comments about people who thrive off of offending people. Hmm..
And that's why MARRIED WITH CHILDREN is one of the BEST TV shows ever...! xD
(why haven't you talked about it more often, critic? It takes place in Chicago for god's sake)
I really wish racism didn't exist. Not because I want to make jokes, I just wish I didn't have to feel like I'm walking on eggshells when I make an observation. Sure, I may be wrong at times, but that's the point of learning and making mistakes. Heck, nowadays if I said something like, "Asians like rice," someone would be upset. I'm making a small observation, is it wrong? Am I incorrect? What about that was racist? Yet, if get offended by that, just imagine jokes. I wish this was no longer a thing and ideal.
It's really just a matter of who you hang out with. My brother and I, black people, have friends who are Mexican and Nepali. We make race jokes all the time, sometimes about our races, sometimes about others. My family has adopted white relatives, and we make all sorts of jokes about crazy race relations in America.
But yes, I generally don't talk much with people I don't know well because of that "walking on eggshells" feeling too.. (Besides just generally being an awkward introvert who can only relate to others on a nerdy level) It really sucks.
Rereading your comment, yes, making factual observations is oddly extremely offensive to many people too! Just simply criticizing feminists in their mixed up goals and hypocrisies, or black people's constant hating on other black people who do "white" things, calls for so much offense...
Strawberries777 Yeah, same here. I have a wide variety of white, Mexican, Asian, and black friends. One of my friends, who is black, constantly makes jokes about his color. "Why, is it because I'm black?" and alike. Still, we know he's joking so we pay it no mind.
Regardless, I personally don't feel comfortable MAKING those jokes, but hearing them is fine, depending on the person. I just wish there wasn't this sense of social pride that one peoples are better than others. I see everyone as equals in terms of race.
As a Mexican myself, I feel no real pride in my country of origin or America that I live in now. I just think that I'm nothing special, so I really feel no attachment to either. I don't hate them, it's just that I don't exactly take pride in saying "I'm Mexican," or "I live in America." To me, I'd much prefer to say that I'm happy with who I am, not for any racial or background reasons.
+Orchestrafanboy19 Yeah, I can understand that.
While for me, I am pretty, I guess, prideful with being African American, I don't make it out to have any more or less value than other ethnicities and nationalities. It's just a different one with its own culture and history, the same as everyone else has. Each culture and race have their own cool bits, looks, and gimmicks unique to them.
It's from people who take pride too far that we get racists demeaning others and their origins... Or nationalists saying their country is the best because so and so, when really, all countries are pretty messed up one way or another. This is because all people are messed up one way or another.
Strawberries777 Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying, "I'm glad I'm ____ race." I may not feel that way, but I certainly don't put other people down for feeling that way. We're not perfect in any sense of the word, but I feel differences are important. If we didn't have them, the world would be in a worse state.
If the entire world were like me, the advancements that have been made in different fields most likely wouldn't have been made. If only people realized this and reasoned that our differences make us unique. If people realized that others are people just like them, people that want the best out of life and the best for their loved ones, the world would be a better place. I hold onto the hope that intelligent people like you will win over ignorant ones.
Chris Rock would frequently make similar observations: "It's okay for a white person to say 'Black people have thick lips', because it's a true observation. We do tend to have thicker lips than white people."
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Not on my watch
anything is better then first
+1980sGamer not today
+Dragon don't be THAT guy
+1980sGamer THIS COMMENT OFFENDS ME! DELETED NOW!
Comedy is often observation on what's unpleasant. So it's stupid to say there's subjects you can't joke about.
Kyle Roy
Kyle Roy I really feel that this is a very toxic mindset. would you think jokes about such topics like suicide are funny? I really don't think that is healthy tbh
You can joke about suicide to make peopled feel happier about that painful subject . Just make sure the joke is understood
That’s really glorifying what you think is a groundbreaking point. Most people who think that way have little to say and more importantly aren’t nearly as funny as they think
@@bibniebt It's not easy to joke about suicide, and most that try are not the people who should be joking about suicide.
When the joker starts killing is when it goes to far. Okay I’ll leave
Oh boy the offendies I’ve encountered so many it’s not funny, such as one defending Justin Bieber WITH ALL CAPS AND A MILLION EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!
Honestly, if Richard Pryor can make a joke about setting himself on fucking fire and have it still be funny, then it's clear that anything can be funny, it just takes a clever comedian.
Sam Geuvenen true
Sam Geuvenen I'd argue that even a rape joke can be funny. Granted, it would be insensitive to tell it in front of a recent rape victim, but like Doug said that's where timing comes into play.
Peter Cahill George Carlin proved that back in the day. He told rape jokes that were hilarious
Sam Geuvenen Yeah, and he even highlighted some of the issues in how America deals with rape, such as victim blaming.
Peter Cahill Indeed he did, but as an example of how anything can be funny if told properly, it was arguably the best.
"Comedy is subjective." - Arthur Fleck
He's right. It's not just misery
This video has aged like the finest of wine
**sip** beautiful flavour with a rich aftertaste, nice mouthfeel, not too fruity, not too spicy, perfectly balanced, no sour grapes. Very fine wine.🍷
Except the stuff with Jon Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and Jon Stewart. That aged like milk. It feels as though those three really sold their souls.
2 years later and still, what a spectacular video. I've learned so much from the NC
I think he makes a good point. I'm a Mormon and I'm not offended at the Book of Mormon Musical. No one is making me see it. No one is telling me I have to enjoy it. So, there's no reason to be offended. What I am offended at is the double standard, where if this was about Muslims or Buddhists, then it would be offensive. But that's not the creator's fault. They're not the ones saying, "Mormons okay, Muslims off limits."
The alternative is to Book of Mormon Musical. How is that right or fair? It's not! It's slippery slope that will come back and haunt us.
I don't like "go back to the kitchen", "woman, make me a sandwich", and related jokes not because I'm a woman, but because it's getting old and really annoying. We get it, guys, this is a common gender role from way back.
But still, nothing should be off limits to comedy. I have a friend with a rude sense of humor, and it's really helped me prime for more off color humor.
SonicDDRFreak Idk, I kind of have to disagree. Some topics should just really not be joked about.
My wife wanted a child so I started working a ton of overtime and now she stays home watching him and cooking every night. How does that make you feel?
@@cherryspice1011 It all depends on who's making the joke and who's the target. This is a great video except for the fact that Doug never talked about the concept of "punching up", which happens to be a rule of comedy that an awful lot of comedians live by, even if it's completely subconsciously. Put simply, "punching up" means that you should not make fun of those that are typically seen as being below you in terms of social standing/equality but instead make jokes at those who are above you (or equal to you). For example, I as a white person would probably rightly be called out as being offensive if I tried to joke about the historical or daily experiences of people of colour. I honestly believe that no topic is ultimately off-limits when it comes to comedy in a general sense, but everyone does have certain topics that are off-limits to them specifically.
I agree that the "women belong in the kitchen" joke yeah its getting old and unfunny. However I think you can joke about how women can be unpredictable to an extent. It points out truth in a generalized. Of course having in mind that not all women are like that.
Nah I think it’s still funny
So, is 9/11 still too soon?
Right now wouldn't be a good time, because the memorial is literally two days away.
MintyPanda No, no, it's an even *better* time to joke about it.
***** Yet they still get offended a flipping *14 years* later.
Americans are weird.
I'd say no considering there are still millions of people who were seriously affected by the event living today.
+Mario Hyrulia I'd take the Titanic as an example and at least wait 50 or 60+ years
I love that final speech with duckman, it's so good that I feel a chill down my spine whenever he shouts "DEMAND TO BE CHALLENGED, TO BE OFFENDED!"
*a joke only goes too far if i don't like it. my factual opinion is right*
*****
thank you
+RAYRICEGIVINGDSPDAWORK3 AKA De Professor Shanks lost to Fish
Tumblr in a nutshell. ;)
To me, anything is funny. There is *nothing* off limits when it comes to comedy. I guess that does put me on the side of "shock comedy."
Jerry Seinfeld couldn't be any more tame of a comedian, and the fact that people have a problem with him shows comedy is in a dark state.
oh, you think?
+John T. Campbell I know!!! Jerry Seinfeld is pretty much as mild as a comedian can be. The same thing happened to Jim gaffigan
You would be great at cards against humanity.
+Shipmaster Thul'Skra me or him?
Him
5 years since this video was released.... it gets more relevant
3 years ago (as of 10/14/21) the pinned comment was “this has only gotten more relevant” and 3 years later it’s only getting worse…
I'm offended
*watches video*
Your so right we shouldn't be so easily offended
You being offended offends me
You people being offended makes me lose all hope for the media.
Lmao, you actually had hope for media?! That offends me.
You got offended by him/her being offended? That offends me.
All of you are offended?! I'm offended as well for waiting so long to read 2-year-old comments!!!
Like the saying goes "You don't know humor until you laugh at yourself"
People get more offended on the internet then in real life.
"LEAVE MY WIFES NAME OUTCHA FUKIN MOUTH" :))))))
Joke is one of my trigger words. Check your privileges.
I am 450lbs and broken cake is my trigger
+U Wot M8 broken cake?
Miguel L TRIGGERED
Is pinapple
What's with broken cake?
Wait people got offended at speedy Gonzalez....People do know that he was a badass hero with super speed who always saved the day in the end right, wtf people?
All that bull about Walt Disney supposedly being an anti-semite mainly came from the big animator's strike of 1941 which was spearheaded by prominently Jewish animators like Art Babbitt. The fact that most of them were Jewish as well as adding caricatures of them in a negative light in a few of their shorts and movies lead some people to assume the worst without the proper context. In reality Walt hired several Jews, Hispanics, and women to work on his projects, he pretty much said he doesn't care what ethnic or gender background his artists are from and only cares about how talented they are. Hell, he even convinced the Academy to give James Baskett the first Oscar for a black person, all because of how talented and great an actor he was.
This video still holds up even in 2020
It’s been a relevant topic pretty much since the at least 1970s.
I know it may sound silly but Duckman was one of the most underrated and important cartoons of our generation.
It is sad that now you have to explain a joke for people to get it, and water it down so that it wouldn't offend people.
I didn't know the creators of South Park or Rick and Morty got more sensitive with their comedy.
Best break down of comedy I have ever seen. Thank you for such a deeply insightful look into the dynamics and mechanics of humor. Nostalgia Critic is a hoot and a holler!!
"Great comedians like John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, and John Stewart are some of the most trusted people in media" wow that did NOT age well.
I was going to say Bill Cosby, but..........umm...............
Doug, your videos are brilliantly written. Funny as well as informative and conflicting. You really are one of the best youtubers out there. Great job!
Was surprised that Doug didn't talked directly about Sue Park and #CancelColtbert.
"As a privileged white man I don't expect you to understand" cit.
The #CancelColbert was a misunderstanding. Watch Stephen Colbert's episode on it. He explains it all.
Gavin Felker I know it, bro.
Sue Park is a average crazy SJW.
He and park are both SJW so he's not going to criticize her.
John Titor Doug is a SJW?
What evidence of that do you have it?
SilverSmile Look into his actions regarding gamergate. Someone on his squad wanted to do a video on it but he put a stop to it.
He also propogates misinformation like the wage gap. I'll admit that he's MUCH more sane than most SJW types, but he's still among their ranks.
The whole Speedy Gonzales controversy is interesting. There was a similar character that rose from that time, who was more of a marketing mascot and less of a comedy cartoon character. His name was the Frito Bandito. My uncle works for Frito Lay, and what from what has told me, Frito Lay was sued for the character being a Mexican stereotype. If Mexicans were not offended by Speedy Gonzales being a thing, why were they offended by the Frito Bandito?
I think one of the biggest crimes of punching down is that it's not funny. Not in an "on principle" way, like genuinely I signed up to laugh at something and am instead being bored. The best comedians base their humor on personal experiences because the more oddly specific and relatable a joke is, the funnier it is. I'm autistic so I'll use that as an example. It's just tired and stupid to see people mocking our mannerisms, but an autistic comedian doing a whole bit on finding increasingly ridiculous ways they try to stop doing raptor hands? That's fucking hilarious. And like I know what you're thinking, that seems restrictive cause most people aren't a part of that specific demographic. Honestly though, it still works. I laugh way harder at comedy based on the comedian's personal experiences even if *I've* never experienced it in my life.
5:31 that’s like banning Yosemite San for being offensive to Americans.
I think that humor is affected by the following:
Timing- Making jokes about natural disasters right after a major one happened isn’t a good idea, that goes without saying. The critic already adressed this when he talked about “too soon”, some things are so disastrous and catastrophic that time is needed to heal before the subject isn’t too painful to approach.
Subject- this is something I saw just today, a VA for the new resident evil game died and people are commenting “F in the chat” under the IGN article. The reason it’s disrespectful is because “F in the chat” is used more for memes and non important occurrences, so when someone posts that under an article talking about someone that just passed away it can be seen as not taking it seriously.
Audience- Pretty straightforward, some jokes just won’t work with certain audiences. Best example is probably nazi jokes in Germany. I don’t think I need to explain why most germans don’t find them funny but I’ve met plenty of people who tell germans these types of jokes and expect them to laugh. And when confronted they get uncomfortable about it, as if they never expected that reaction.
In the end, comedy should callenge you, but it is just as important to challenge the comedy. I doubt that comedy will ever stop changing because we don’t stop changing.
So, the two ends of the comedy spectrum can be represented by 4chan, quite possibly one of the most offensive site on the internet, and Tumblr, quite possibly the most offended site on the internet.
Six years later and this video is more important than ever.
That charity shout out was great. Ronald McDonald House took care of my sister and brother-in-law when their new born son was diagnosed with bacterial meningitis. Unfortunately my nephew lost the fight but Ronald McDonald House made the month of hell they were going through easier. Great charity organization. 👍
What about a review of Malcolm in the Middle?
+JaredRmz One of the greatest sitcoms that ever aired on tv show had amazing writers
Amen to that...
+rob zombie it was fucking awesome
+JaredRmz now you're just mething with us...
Why, malcome in the middle is fucking awesome!
I understand Doug, I understand. I have one question though, do you think you sometimes say offense jokes?
+Andrew Bray Did u not watch the video? Offensive jokes are told all the time..it just comes down to whether its mean spirited. Rewatch the Chappel part.
He does. One of his top 11 fuck up vids addresses an offensive joke he made in his Ernest Saves Christmas review. I think the joke was about a scene where children are watching a puppet show and the kids themselves look way too old to be watching a show like that, which led to an autism gag.
But the guy asked if Doug knows that his jokes can be offensive and I just replied yes and gave an example. Btw I did watch the video.
Andrew Ryan
i remember that one, it was an accidental coincidence..he didnt realise it was mean spirited due to some of the knowledge behind it all
+Andrew Bray He literally made race jokes in the Smurfs video last week
You recognized Malcom in the middle. Thank you! Someone finally did it! This show is so underrated!