Saga is far from great, but you were clearly rushing this video and not even playing the games as one approaching a JRPG with integrity would. I beat FF Legend 3 at 8 years old, it was my second RPG ever next to Final Fantasy Mystic Quest. Never did I feel stuck or lacking in direction, its clear you rushed text and didnt bother talking to anyone to get your bearings. Elder explains Talons functions after you go there at the beginning of the game, you are told where to go to get upast, its actually a decently solid game when you give it a fair chance, not blaze through it with no interest whatsoever.
@@coolguy48457 no troll, JRPGs are insanely long and it would've taken him ages to do EVERY single game in the series 100%. Clearly you skimmed the video as he mentioned he DID in fact talk to people and still got stuck.
Not giving directions and just throwing you into the world to discover what to do on your own is kind of a staple of this series. It is actually one of the reasons SaGa fans like it.
Yeah, this guy got excited when he read claims of "journalist easy modes," but was even more disappointed to find out they didn't really exist. Reminds me the the people (who never played a From game) giving Eldin Ring bad reviews because it was too hard.
FFL3 literally tells you the town you need to go to, and person to speak to in the beginning of the game. Even tells you where and why’d you need the float spell. I’m convinced he had no intention of giving these games a fair shot. These game aren’t for everyone but if your into old school rpgs, where reading dialog, taking notes, and unveiling the story in a ‘choose your own adventure’ way. These games are definitely worth a look!
@@klissattack I picked not Gustavo but the other guy's story. I ended up in a dungeon and could not figure out where to fucking go. Also the battles were painfully slow and not fun. It's a shame because the game is beautiful visually and the music is excellent.
Ah... my favorite JRPG series! But honestly, not surprised you didn't much care for it. SaGa games are deliberately designed obtuse puzzle boxes. They're games for people who remember--and enjoyed--the feeling of being a little kid in the '80s, bombing every rock in Zelda in the hope of finding hidden secrets, or who picked up Demon's Souls on release and found it intriguing that the game explained basically nothing on how its systems worked, and were then motivated to piece it all together through play and experimentation. They're games designed by a developer whose foremost influences were '80s CRPGs like Ultima 4, Avalon Hill board games, and actual tabletop sessions of D&D. Thus, non-linear progression and lack of hand-holding from Ultima, the dense mechanics and RNG inherent in many dice-driven board games, and the loose narratives built around exploration and side-quests as an attempt to emulate the freewheeling nature of the classic D&D party. They're classified as JRPGs, but they don't fit the stereotype. In some ways, I think the chilly response in the west comes down to this failure to meet expectations. Final Fantasy Legend was well-received on the Game Boy, but seven years later, SaGa Frontier was the first game we received in the series to bear its actual name, and it was given the unenviable task of being the immediate follow-up to Final Fantasy 7. A generation of brand new JRPG fans, their views of the genre firmly cemented by that landmark title, picked up Frontier and immediately felt betrayed: "where's my linear narrative, where are my beautiful CGI cutscenes, I wanted a visual novel with random encounters, not whatever the hell THIS is!" Meanwhile in Japan, where JRPGs had a longer and decidedly more experimental history, the SaGa games were a known quantity, and enjoyed more acceptance and success. Getting back to this video, I appreciate the effort that went into playing all of these games, and I certainly believe you when you say you did not enjoy them. However, I wish you would have put more time into understanding how to play these games before you reviewed them, because the main takeaway I got from this video was that you stumbled in expecting things to play a certain way, got upset when things didn't work like you were used to, showed little curiosity as to what the game might actually want from you, and gave up. That is your prerogative as a player, but I feel it makes for shallow criticism.
Honestly I don't mind that he didn't like the games, I have a rocky relationship with this series myself. The problem comes from the fact it's obvious he made no attempt to fairly criticize them. There's no talking about what the games did right, no suggestions as to what he thinks could improve them, no real explanations beyond what you get in the first ten-minutes of each game; just thirty-minutes of salty hate that the games didn't fit into what he likes from his JRPGs. That doesn't make for a fair or interesting video, just good clickbait.
@@rufure9294 I am legitimately confused, are these games that hard? He said he got lost for hours in a dungeon I don't even remember being difficult. Is it a generational thing? I haven't really played anything after the early PS2, did JRPGs get much easier?
@306parksn gaming has become much guided or oriented (not necessarily easier). It's rare in recent game where you don't an hint/marker to where to go. Recent player became accustomed to this so when playing older who didn't have those, they found it more complicated to oriente themselves
@@306parksn it isnt, saga frontier 2 was a very great game and to me it seems he somehow managed to skip that characters prior chapters because the members he had there appear much later in the game, there was an annoying dungeon but i dont know how you can miss the reason why they went there.
Look at his tier list videos and how old it is and how much he hated SaGa Frontier. There was zero intention to give the series an honest go, he went in as a hater.
It maybe just that SaGa games aren't the best for farming content on a treadmill. Each analysis here seems like it was a rushjob to get a surface level feel for the games vibes and capture some footage without actually engaging deeply into them thus missing the whole point.
@@cpthardluck Agreed. Look at Gaming Broductions for an example, they have some real quality videos that get your attention, are informative, and keep you coming back for more.
This video is very misinformed about an actually good but very niche JRPG series. Unlimited SaGA DIDN'T kill the series. SaGa 2 & 3 had remakes for the DS a couple of years after Unlimited SaGa.
@@akun50 well, I did watch the video and dude got filtered insanely hard. He objectively sucks at video games (and at making videos, as click baity they are, but that's a different story), is annoyed that a jrpg is not be like every other jrpg he likes, expects his hand to be held, and is lazy and/or a quitter. What I don't understand is how you got anything but that since that's basically what the entire video is about. Are you sure you watched it? He at no point says anything redeemable about the series and constantly complains about lack of direction and difficulty, so yeah, he got filtered. Are you just simping here?
@@whatever7182100% correct. Very frustrating to watch him bitch at things he either lies about or just skill issues. If he wants to play a rpg that coddles him and helps him in every step he can play undertale.
@@akun50 How do you interpret it any other way than him getting filtered? It's thirty-minutes of him yelling "Not linear enough!" There's nothing wrong with this not being your kind of game but at some point in the creation process of a whole ass video raging at not being his linear style of JRPG you'd think he'd have realized "Maybe this series just isn't for me" before getting to the point where he plays himself on the world stage. I can only conclude this was for the clickbait views or our man got four-hours of video and was like "Well I'm not *NOT* going to get that bag off this!" It's a shame as I do think he's made some decent videos but this just reeks of "I have no intention of trying to figure these games out or offer genuine criticism such as what it could do better or what I think it did do right, nobody will complain if I just get salty for half an hour right?!" If he'd even sort of tried to give the games a fair shake and come out the other end with a "I tried but I just can't enjoy this style" I probably wouldn't have thought anything about it. Just different strokes for different folks. But he doesn't, he just gets angry and half the games doesn't even give them 20-minutes to try and prove themselves which as a supposed hardened JRPG player he should know is a comically short amount of time to try and understand such a game.
Woah woah woah, what a terrible take. You're really dissing Romancing SaGa 3? Even if the other games have issues, they're super innovative and have incredible soundtracks, visuals, and character designs.
1 - You didn't read the manuals. That way you would know what to do. Games til ps2 used to have manuals for a reason. 2 - I think you are too much used to modern easy games.
@@martinde-serres8724 No, a “lot” of modern games most certainly did not copy the no handholding mentality of earlier games. His take is spot on, read the manuals and fix your attention span.
I mean the first three Saga games were staples of my childhood but never really played any of the others. But you're clearly a younger gamer and you grew up with the era of games holding your hand and telling you everywhere to go and everything to do so its not unexpected that older games would miss for you. We NES kids grew up with "here is the game, you figure it out" and we'd loved every frustrating minute of it. lol
Remember when Sizzler07 made that whole "Contra frickin sucks" video and he got roasted for it and he took the video down? That kid had more shame and integrity than this guy. The real reason UA-cam removed visible dislikes is because controversy/bait shit like this increases engagement and adviews for the company so UA-cam can keep on projecting to companies that UA-cam advertising is a viable means of selling a product and not thr massive fucking annoyance everyone actually thinks it is. And if people would click on this video and see the dislike ratio they'd just click off instead of watching it, because if they watched it they might comment and comments = engagement and engagement = adviews.
I easily beat FFL3 as a 10 year old in the 1990s well before the internet was around to provide easy answers. There are some shit SaGa games, but there are way worse JRPG series like Hyper Dimension Neptunia.
@b00g3rs21 it was pretty apparent when he said search the same area twice in FF Legends 3. He was upset about having to search the same area in the present and past and never even considered they came from the future. Too bad he didn't stick it out. He would have discovered there was an ocean floor, as well as Floatland.
The Saga series was always something I detested. I would play a bit of every new game in the series and get so frustrated and turned off, that I would quit a few hours into them (with the exception of Unlimited Saga where I didn't even last an hour). Not too long back, I started seeing videos from Davidvinc about how much he loved the games in the GB trilogy, and I'm like.. I just don't understand what he sees in them (and I wanted to understand), so I decided to look into the mechanics of FF Legends 1 beforehand (wsc version) just to get an idea of what I was getting into, so that I wouldn't get frustrated over the directionless nature of these games, and give them a fair shot without my pre-conceived notions. It absolutely made all of the difference. I've slowly starting working my way through each game in the series from there, and I've started appreciating the depth and the quirks that every game offers. It doesn't always pan out, but I appreciate the effort that goes into trying to make something different (and not in the way that turning Final Fantasy XVI into a mediocre action game is somehow 'different', but actually different). I've grown to love the series so much, I actually want to give Unlimited Saga another shot. I'm so glad that the series didn't die off because Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond are one-of-a-kind experiences. I love the Saga oddness so much now!!! But to my point,... I'm not saying you'll go back and try them, and that you'll necessarily change your mind about them, but mindset is half of the battle with these games. If you do a little research into each game's unique mechanics, it pays off in spades with enjoyment factor once it clicks. I was just at a point where I was burned out on anime melodrama in most modern RPGs and I needed to find something mechanically interesting in the genre, and SaGa really scratched that itch. Sure, they don't have the most compelling stories but I like them for what they are, and once you master the systems in each game, it's so gratifying and addicting. It's nice to play something that isn't so story-focused from time to time anyways. It actually got me interested in dungeon crawlers and the likes, so I owe a lot to this series for opening up my mind a bit. I respect your views though. I was also adamantly against Dragon Warrior for 20 years before I played Dragon Quest IX and then I got it!!! Sometimes it just takes the right game at the right moment, but even if you never touch the series again, that's fine as well. I just think there's value in the series if you are willing to just do some bare minimum research, but I know not everyone is always willing to. People play games for fun and research isn't fun, in and of itself. In the case of SaGa, I think it is a stepping stone for good times, however.
@@GregRJohnson736 Bruh. Video games didn't used to have tutorials that explained what every single button does. If older games aren't your style, or you don't enjoy the mechanics, I get that. And to be fair, the FFL games have one of the weirdest progressions I've ever seen: I tried to get into these games too because the worlds sounded cool, but I got turned off by how complicated leveling was. But if you don't like the game because you can't be bothered to read the instructions that would've come with it...come on.
@@starofjustice1 I can dislike a game for whatever reason. Reading external instructions is not something I want to do. I'm not trying to solve a puzzle or build ikea furniture, I'm just trying to play a game. There's an infinite amount of games out there I can just go play something else if I don't like it and if there wasn't I could just go do something else I enjoy. I'm not being forced to play games I don't enjoy, and the few games of the saga series I have played I don't enjoy. They either require you to have a walkthrough open to progress or tons of time spent talking to random NPCs or wandering around aimlessly trying to find the next clue. Some people might enjoy that, I don't, most sane people who value their leisure time spent don't. Why do you think this series is basically dead? Because it's such a great series that everyone enjoys? As for older games, I used to enjoy them, I play them from time to time and the reason they didn't need tutorials explaining everything was they were often much much simpler back in the day. Fewer buttons, fewer mechanics, fewer in game systems to keep track of and that is part of the charm of playing older games.
I never played any Saga game, so i'm not saying was a fan, but if your video is not intended to by inflamatory, you did a really bad job a at it... For beginning, you say that you are not that fan of old RPGs, so it's pretty obvious that you will not like a franchise that is made mostly of old RPGs... Then you complaing about lack of tutorials, but as many people already say, old games usually come with manuals and it's really unfair judging a game without searching for one, that's a universal flaw of playing old games in modern times. I also expect that you would endure through the games and finish i to give a fair review, even if you disliked it, but most of the games you just play very little, hit a road block and instantly get filtered... I can't judge you for not playing a thing you didn't like, but if you intend to make a video calling a entire franchise "The WORST JRPG Seires of All Time" you really should actually play the games, specially the one you call for sure "The worst JRPG" and barely play it... Once again i say, i'm not a fan of the franchise and i'm sure many of those games probably age like milk, but honestly, this video say much more about you than about any of the games on it.
I love that he said Romancing Saga 2 was his favorite of the Romancing games yet played an hour of it. Not realizing that you cycle thru kings very frequently
@@philbuttler3427 I'm not defending the games itself, i'm criticizing the critic. It's hard to give credit to an opinion saying that a entire franchise is "the worst" while the person don't bother to give the game a fair chance and just give up at the first minor roadblock.
I was reading a discussion about tutorials in games and saw the point that a lot of older games had very short or none at all and this was because the expected way of playing was that you would have read the manual that came with the game. So I had a look at the final fantasy legend manual and it explained everything in it that confused you and even had a nice little walkthrough for a good chunk of the game in it. Not saying that it would have made you enjoy the early saga games more or anything just an interesting observation that even us old gamers forget about when playing old games and also doesn't help with the more modern entries 😂
Saga Frontier 1/2 gave you the freedom to tackle the end game bosses very early. Doesn't mean that you had to or should have unless you enjoyed the difficulty. Some people did beat the mounted knight in early Elden Ring or even the tutorial boss but 99% weren't expect to. You were suppose to lose. When you hit a wall too high for you to scale, don't you look to see if you can go around? "This area is too hard, I need homies" was how SF encouraged you to explore the rest of the world. It's kinda obvious, man.
@@AnaverdGaidenIt's wild how he criticized Romancing Saga 2 for making certain missions hard to do but never mentioning that's because you're not going to be able to do every side quest you want in your first playthrough. It's not an oversight or bad design. That's the freaking game!
I still consider Romancing SaGa 3 my favorite SNES JRPG (and one of my favorites of all time really) and I replay it regularly. Sou much fun when you dont have the attention of an amoeba. I recommend you to go back to Fortnite and Call of Duty. Also, Legend of Legacy and Alliance Alive are technically SaGa games too.
This video should be titled "JRPGs that are not immaculately perfect throughout the entire game" So yeah this video is just basically about a guy complaining about games where whenever he hits a roadblock and gets stuck or when something gets a little too confusing for him, he quits and calls it worst JRPGs. Lol.
So your whole thing is "I can't read and therefore I hate these games"? That is not even an opinion, this is just ignoring everything the game blatantly tells you and blaming the game for it. This channel will be ignored in the future and I hate the youtube algorithm for suggesting it to me.
He literally admits he only played most of these games for about 10 minutes. Thats not even enough time to get through the first cutscene in some final fantasy games.
@@lambertar You know. You're right. I apologize. Clearly making a joke about how I really like the SaGa series was taking things a step too far and has put me on the same level as racists. Thank you for making me see the light.
@@drakewarnock1239 I love how dramatic and defensive everyone gets on social media 😅. I don't think you're a racist and I don't have any issue with you liking Saga nor with Taylor hating it 😅. I wish you a great day.
not only did you rush the video and playing the games but also reading the damn guides for every game system bc u could have foreseen the guild party member and plan accordingly. u keep repeating poor design but really it's a bit unfair as it was pretty common to go to any damn town and talk to everybody, at least twice, to know where to go you know, and this has been like forever...
I hope this is a constructive reply. Even as a fan of SaGa, I thought most of your video was valid criticism. But your assessment of Legend III seemed so rushed and half-hearted that some viewers won't continue watching the rest of the video. I almost didn't. Also, saying you sincerely believe the hyperbolic title at the conclusion of the video is horribly presumptuous.
You made the games sound alot worse than they are. Nothing wrong if you don’t enjoy them but you shouldn’t put off others from trying it. These games are meant for people who like difficult games that don’t explain everything and let you discover things for yourself. Seems like you’re too used to modern easy RPG that hold your hand like Persona
Well...he did say he got lost playing ff 4 and those games tell you basically what to do every step of the way. My first was r3 and loved it. Took me a bit to get used to it but changing formations, team attacks and figuring how you had to kill the 4 fiends or whatever was so fun...and then you fight their stronger versions.
@@hezlonway100 To be fair, when people reference the Persona franchise, they usually don't mean those games. P1 & 2 might as well be their own spin-off sub-series... as if keeping track of the MegTen franchise wasn't confusing enough, already.
Too bad for you, Nintendo Direct and Square Enix just released a trailer of Romancing SaGa 2: Revenge of the Seven, a full 3D remake of the original Romancing SaGa 2.
9th best selling Squaresoft game on the SNES. Incredibly unique mechanics, totally worth the remake. They're lowering the difficulty for it, but it'd probably still be too hard for him since he can't bother to interact with a game's mechanics.
@@LeonardoBramante I'm not going to make fun of him about it, but these mechanics-heavy games are not for everyone and that's fine. This just demonstrates that there IS an audience for them.
@@IronbloodedRPGBadger Oh I'm giving a statement. He could barely make it through 10 minutes to an hour of most of the franchise. He didn't give most of them a fair shot, so he likely wouldn't give the remake a fair shot either.
How should I put it... While I do respect that opinion was based on personal playthrough of the series (however I honestly disagree in more ways than one), calling it the worst series of all time is a really heavy claim to make, one I believe you don't realize the weight of as of yet. Now, please excuse me incongruously laughing in the corner. Pfft... Pffhahahahahahaha!
Of course he doesn't realize it. Dude was stupid enough to get filtered by the gameboy games that literal 10 year olds were able to figure out and beat.
I like these games precisely because they don't hold my hand. It's fun to make mistakes, get punished, then pick myself up and try again. It's the same appeal a genre like roguelikes have.
😂 watching some dude reviewing games he never beat. I may as well watch a review about a movie some guy never watched. He saw 10 mins of it... Yeah that should be good enough.
I mean it's your opinion but man as far as your made it into saga 1 and determined it sucked is as far as I made it into this video and thought your opinion was trash.
Wow, I have never been a part of the crowd that makes negative Gen Z / Millennial stereotypes, but you sure make me reconsider after watching your entire video. I can't believe that you clearly weren't intelligent enough to understand that the older games had manuals. Like, wow. Wow....
The SaGa games are incredible. One of the only truly original RPG series in the genre that don't chase common gaming trends and actually give agency to the player. They're not for everyone, but they're all about choosing your adventure. Essentially open world RPGs.
@@jeremyhall2727 I notice that's every person who says RPGs suck. They start the game, run from every battle, then die at the first boss and go "this game requires so much grinding, it's terrible!" They'll also just spam normal attacks and ignore skills and items.
@@AnaverdGaiden Yeah they need to prepare more. No different then how a boxer train before a fight. Fighting those random battles... that's like working out for your character. The more you fight (workout) the stronger you will become.
@@jeremyhall2727 Yeah, exactly! Personally, I love the feeling of growing in an RPG. It's a lot of fun going from struggling to survive in a dungeon to the enemies becoming manageable, and then easy. Plus, I think it's silly how people complain about having to fight battles in RPGs when literally every other genre of games also forces you to fight encounters.
@@AnaverdGaiden you said it perfectly 👍🏾 I don't know what happened it people. It's like they forgot what RPGs was. When I was a kid... people used to say, "those smart people games." I guess it was too hard for a lot of people back then too 😂
The one thing I always complained about classic FF works is how linear they are. Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 literally gave what I asked for, its great. Maybe commit more to the games you play because its easy to get tost in these kind of games if you play with Discord con the side.Its not that hard and definetively not the worst JRPGs series that exist. God I hate zoomers.
ok not gonna lie, not sure if this was a click bait video, or if you really just didnt understand the concept of these games, but it just overall felt like a bad take.
One of my favorite things from Final Fantasy Legend II is for a large portion of the game, if you wipe, you get brought back to life by an NPC. At some point you find the NPC and face him in a boss battle and kill him. Once he's gone, you wipe, it's game over. I really liked that game. Wasn't as big of a fan of the other two Legend games.
Its certainly not for everyone but "worst of all time" is a bit much. Thats like me calling the 2K sports games the worst of all time. Do i hate them, absolutely. Does a group enjoy them and i shouldnt shit on peoples likes, also true
More specifically its like saying "Madden games are terrible because i hate football." He just doesn't like the style of game saga is which is his opinion, but calling it the worst because you don't get it is weird. I dont like mobas and to me league would be a terrible experience, thats why I dont play them. I think the video would have been better if he focused on one title and thoroughly played it and did an in depth critique. That would be far more interesting than rapid fire dabbling with each game.
The deal with this series is that it isnt a jrpg. Its a western crpg. Its mechanics heavy and the lack of information is intentional. Its made to make you think. But its absolutely not for everyone.
His videos did oop up in my recommends before. One did caught my eye 🤷🏾♀️ but I don't know after watching this one. Is he even going to beat it before he review it?
Just came to say I disagree with SaGa being the worst JRPG series. I realize that "worst JRPG series" is absolutely a better title than "my least favorite JRPG series" but it still stings to hear haha. I understand it's not for everybody but I definitely love it for what it is. I think some of these games were very ahead of their time and definitely worth checking out.
I've known you to be a SaGa hater from your Giant Sword Podcast days. As a SaGa fan I've always been baffled by that and I am glad you are releasing the video. That should explain a lot.
Just watched it. Yeah, par for the course. I don't even know why you spent all that time playing games you clearly knew you won't like at all. :D Also, it's fitting that the second most disliked game in the series is your favourite.
i've heard that modern gamers need there hand held and to be guided every step of the way and even growing up the saga series wasn't my favorite of the games i enjoyed but saying that your attention span and the fact that you need your hand held every step of the way says more about you than the games you are critizing
Dude, finish the games. If you're going to be a reviewer, accept the fact that you're going to have to spend time playing games to the finish. There is no middle ground here.
This guy is the Zoomers of today giving reviews on games "I don't know where to go. Game bad." "I don't *wanna* read the manual!" *This* guy is why games today have yellow paint.
Oh no! People just want to emulate games and play them on their own volition without having to shell out $300 for a complete copy with its manual! Truly a silly zoomer moment amirite?
>so the combat is a bit mindless >i started to get killed by this enemies and couldnt progress so i tried other characters and got stuck again :cccccccccc Yes, because you didnt know you could block attacks, prepare counter moves, inflict stun, use party to make combos or surges that will inflict major damage on enemies or change the turn order completely, nor did you pay attention to weapon damage types to understand that different enemies wont be as vulnerable to certain types of weapon daamges, nor did you change formations, playing in front row with the weapon in attack mode. Because the combat is certainly mindless. Its not. The series is good because its not retarded like Jrpg conventions demand most to be, its focused on exploration and experimentation, you have to get out of your comfort zone and understand which playstyles fit you more, you dont need to understand all of its systems, nor read guides to play most of those (save US) but you need to explore, know when to retreat and when to outfit your party. take Ministrel song for example: Zones have vastly different Modifiers for battle ranks, high level areas with +2/3 modifiers, while other zones have regular or -1 modifiers. you have to go out, take ships, caravans, walk a lot, find quests, start different character arcs and slowly develop your party, once you finally can take out on strong foes, its not only satisfying because the game is hard but because the loot is properly placed and for the most part, re-outfiting your party takes time and makes a huge difference (mind you that loot progression isnt also the typical x town has y sword with 20 dmg, Y has a better one with 30 dmg). Takes this, mix with the fact that this game has the >>best
It's the most galling part of the whole thing: thirty minutes of complaints about the "bad game design" and yet the reviewer clearly had no idea how the games even worked. On one hand, I get it, because SaGa games are complicated beasts and the JRPG genre they ostensibly belong to leads people to try the games under the misconception that they are linear, narrative driven RPGs ala Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, et al. But on the other hand, like, have some intellectual curiosity. If you're gonna make a half hour video condemning something as among the worst of its medium, you could at least make an attempt to understand what you're criticizing, otherwise you're just giving players who've never tried it a false impression of the games while annoying vets of the series who can see the superficiality of the criticism. And sure, people will say, "oh look, SaGa fans are being defensive, all seventeen of them..." but people not liking the games isn't the problem -- lots of people don't like SaGa, we're used to that, they're weird games and obviously not made for mainstream appeal -- it's the quality of the critique. Imagine posting reviews of Final Fantasy or Persona games, where you play for an hour or two, come up with some utterly misguided opinions on the gameplay and story, and then make a video lampooning it all. Those games' (considerably larger) fandoms would surely be irritated, no? Just a very frustrating video, all in all. I hope he goes back and gives the games a more thorough examination sometime down the road, even if he still ends up hating them. I love it when people cover SaGa games, good or bad, but good lord is it frustrating that so many of the people who hate SaGa seem to fundamentally misunderstand it.
@@HappyRatKaiser the comparison with the souls series was the low point for me because he essentially assumed that the game had an objective story progression, which, no, it doesnt. And he also used >>a souls game>need guides
man, you are literally saying that you did not pass the tutorial or you simply did not want to advance from the initial areas of the SaGa sagas, and also if you died you went to another route to see if it was less "difficult", if you want to give your opinion at least finish a SaGa, so that you have a minimal idea of what you want to say, in addition to the fact that SaGa is one of the pillars of all square enix, and that they have made this unfounded criticism of each saga, it only leaves you as a person who is conformist with rpgs current, who does not want to experience something new, which has been evolving and improving over time.
Lmfao "Its archaic". No my guy, it's original. This is where jrpgs come from. You comparing modern day quality of life changes vs the original game from 1989 cements that maybe you shouldn't be making videos about things you don't understand. Orders of operation guy. Games originally didn't hold your hand with tutorials. Older games like this were physical release only so the "tutorial" was the books that used to come with games. Please stop making videos outside your comfort zone.😂
The SaGa series is a very very VERY niche franchise. It scratches a very particular itch for some people, and does it very well. It's just not for everyone. SaGa Frontier and Romancing SaGa 3 imo are the best ones.
@@saintsea-hat7891 Like most fandom I would think. Someone disliking what someone else love doesn't take any value from it 😅. People think their whole identity is under attack. I love Natural Doctrine and people hate it 🤷♂️.
Tldr: "i wasnt spoon fed everything so the games suck" I beat FF4, Chrono trigger, Digimon World 3 and FFT when i was 10-12. Im Brazillian, there was no translation to Portuguese to those games at the time.
Your ass getting filtered by every game within an hour doesn't make these games bad, it just makes you someone who doesn't actually like thinking about games you play. But I guess some people love putting how vapid they are on full display. Good for you, I guess?
Right! "This game had a level up system like FF2" No.... all the games did (except Saga 3, I think) you just didn't get far enough in them to increase your skills
whenever people say that relatively mainstream games they like, like the SaGa series, "filter" people, I'm always a little skeptical and wonder if they aren't just overstating how niche their interests really are. I mean, sure, some of the SaGa games are odd and experimental, and the real crowd-pleasing masterpieces for the SuFami never got localized until way later, but these are still pretty conventionally solid games with obviously well-crafted aspects and a vision its hard to deny, right? I've never seen a man get filtered so hard in my entire life. Legitimately had to read the comments to realize he wasn't trolling lmfao
Elden Ring isn't directionless. The characters tell you what to do to beat the game. Not every game has to have a bright arrow pointing you to the next objective. You're the reason Navi and Fi exist.
The manuals are literally included in the Collection on which he played the games, if I recall correctly. Even if they aren't, dude couldn't even be bothered to Google it right quick.
Even without the manuals taking like ten minutes to figure out a mechanic just isn't conductive to his level of patience. Very much comes off like a soul less content farm.
I beat frontier with every character but the actress🤣 but it felt bad and cheap. It was like silly stories my brother and i came up with when we were 8.
Kemco games are honestlty passable if you play one like every 10 years. They do tiny little iterations each game so they compound over the years. I played exe creates ruinverse and had some fun but got bored before finishing. And I beat one by hitpoint I think it was called monster viator. I mean they are what they are assembly line cellphone jrpgs with nostalgic graphics. Id never call them great by any means but they're not bottom of the barrel.
@@ataridc I've played plenty of Kemco games (for better or for worse) generally you're best hope is a 5 out of 10 with a neat idea thrown in there. On occasion you'll get something genuinely great like Justice Chronicles but don't hold your breath
@@TitaRussellTrails yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying some are around 5ish games. it's a shame because the idea of a company pumping out retro style rpgs on a steady basis sounds like a great thing, but then you realize a lot of the games are practically just reskins.
I stopped watching your video, when you stopped playing the first game. Word of advice, don't review games you didn't really play. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, I find you cone off as soneone that doesnt do much research nor is able to read properly (attention deficit disorder?). To get the thiefs in RS2 you first need to recruit cat to help you infiltrate the fortress and fibish that quest. Dunno which walkthrough you used but am pretty sure they mentionned it, making me think you just skim through text. Personally, i find that out all by myself (i played the game for the first time last month)
Saga Frontier 1&2 are actually good games in my opinion And Unlimited Saga is hard to explain but IS actually a good game It's just nothing like a Norma JRPG Closer to a boardgame
Isn't Unlimited just DnD travel board with obscured map features to keep you guessing? Doesn't seem like something to completely whine over unless you hit a stat road block your character can't back out of.
As a 40 years old gamer with very few time to play, I can completely understand that you feel that these games don't respect your time (and they really don't), but they are still a product of their time, with very grindy mechanics, and yet, these games are also very ahead of their time with all the possibilities they give you. So while I can understand you, I don't agree with you because I think you didn't play these games the way they are meant to. How many other have mentioned, these are old games and most of their mechanics are explained in the manuals, if you completely ignored that fact, them you were probably not aware of everything you needed to know to play the game. Also, it seems you never reached the point on any of these games were they get most interesting: the generation change. After you complete the story of the main character you selected, you can move to play the story of their descendants that depends on the your party and your choices during the game. This leads to very broad branching stories and characters you can experience and that's also the reason why the game doesn't tell you what to do, because it gives you the freedom to do anything you want. In SaGa Frontier your choices could even affect the development of the solar system, changing the history of entire planets. Granted, your options are very limited at the start which makes hard to find what to do, but discovering them is also part of the game. So while the story might seem uninteresting in the beginning they can get very crazy later down the road. My main complaint with these games, is the darn level scaling system where enemies level up along with you, which is completely counterintuitive because that means that if you grind too much the battles will get harder, so battles are easier if you don't try to get over leveled.
16:15 I mean, that's one way to do it but you really didn't have to, the slime boss resists blunt attacks (and probably pierce) attacks but not slash attacks so you can easily spam Double Cut with spell support from Gerard or the mage you can get as soon as Gerard becomes the party leader... when you're not healing every turn or so because that electric attack is nasty. Romancing SaGa 2 is my favorite game btw.
Saga series is like an MMORPG without the online. There is so much freedom and each character has a goal. Focus on the goal, but do whatever you want and have an "adventure" is the medium.
Are there any JRPG series WORSE than this? 🤔
I'm unsubscribing btw
@@OutrunCitizencause you're a wuz lol
Saga is far from great, but you were clearly rushing this video and not even playing the games as one approaching a JRPG with integrity would. I beat FF Legend 3 at 8 years old, it was my second RPG ever next to Final Fantasy Mystic Quest. Never did I feel stuck or lacking in direction, its clear you rushed text and didnt bother talking to anyone to get your bearings. Elder explains Talons functions after you go there at the beginning of the game, you are told where to go to get upast, its actually a decently solid game when you give it a fair chance, not blaze through it with no interest whatsoever.
i've heard pretty bad things about Metal Saga(no relation)I remember the Gameinformer review of that game was not kind.
@@coolguy48457 no troll, JRPGs are insanely long and it would've taken him ages to do EVERY single game in the series 100%. Clearly you skimmed the video as he mentioned he DID in fact talk to people and still got stuck.
Not giving directions and just throwing you into the world to discover what to do on your own is kind of a staple of this series. It is actually one of the reasons SaGa fans like it.
Imagine running a channel about JRPG's, but being this bad at playing them...
Yeah, this guy got excited when he read claims of "journalist easy modes," but was even more disappointed to find out they didn't really exist. Reminds me the the people (who never played a From game) giving Eldin Ring bad reviews because it was too hard.
Imagine running a JRPG channel and giving up after like 2 hours of grinding 💀. What genre does bro think he playing
FFL3 literally tells you the town you need to go to, and person to speak to in the beginning of the game. Even tells you where and why’d you need the float spell. I’m convinced he had no intention of giving these games a fair shot.
These game aren’t for everyone but if your into old school rpgs, where reading dialog, taking notes, and unveiling the story in a ‘choose your own adventure’ way. These games are definitely worth a look!
I figured out the entire game just fine when I was 8 years old. Not sure what TGS's impediment is.
@@TheTateful it's a skill issue, sadly. Dude got filtered and blamed it on "game design" lol
man bought a bicycle and complained that its not a car.
Getting lost in SF2 must be considered an achievement
I got lost too in that game. Saga is literally shit design the series.
How though? It literally had you pick the levels and just play within them. Point to point
@@klissattack I picked not Gustavo but the other guy's story. I ended up in a dungeon and could not figure out where to fucking go. Also the battles were painfully slow and not fun. It's a shame because the game is beautiful visually and the music is excellent.
@@BasicSneedEducation Ok, that fair. Dungeon design is pretty bad
Ah... my favorite JRPG series! But honestly, not surprised you didn't much care for it. SaGa games are deliberately designed obtuse puzzle boxes. They're games for people who remember--and enjoyed--the feeling of being a little kid in the '80s, bombing every rock in Zelda in the hope of finding hidden secrets, or who picked up Demon's Souls on release and found it intriguing that the game explained basically nothing on how its systems worked, and were then motivated to piece it all together through play and experimentation.
They're games designed by a developer whose foremost influences were '80s CRPGs like Ultima 4, Avalon Hill board games, and actual tabletop sessions of D&D. Thus, non-linear progression and lack of hand-holding from Ultima, the dense mechanics and RNG inherent in many dice-driven board games, and the loose narratives built around exploration and side-quests as an attempt to emulate the freewheeling nature of the classic D&D party. They're classified as JRPGs, but they don't fit the stereotype.
In some ways, I think the chilly response in the west comes down to this failure to meet expectations. Final Fantasy Legend was well-received on the Game Boy, but seven years later, SaGa Frontier was the first game we received in the series to bear its actual name, and it was given the unenviable task of being the immediate follow-up to Final Fantasy 7. A generation of brand new JRPG fans, their views of the genre firmly cemented by that landmark title, picked up Frontier and immediately felt betrayed: "where's my linear narrative, where are my beautiful CGI cutscenes, I wanted a visual novel with random encounters, not whatever the hell THIS is!" Meanwhile in Japan, where JRPGs had a longer and decidedly more experimental history, the SaGa games were a known quantity, and enjoyed more acceptance and success.
Getting back to this video, I appreciate the effort that went into playing all of these games, and I certainly believe you when you say you did not enjoy them. However, I wish you would have put more time into understanding how to play these games before you reviewed them, because the main takeaway I got from this video was that you stumbled in expecting things to play a certain way, got upset when things didn't work like you were used to, showed little curiosity as to what the game might actually want from you, and gave up. That is your prerogative as a player, but I feel it makes for shallow criticism.
Honestly I don't mind that he didn't like the games, I have a rocky relationship with this series myself. The problem comes from the fact it's obvious he made no attempt to fairly criticize them. There's no talking about what the games did right, no suggestions as to what he thinks could improve them, no real explanations beyond what you get in the first ten-minutes of each game; just thirty-minutes of salty hate that the games didn't fit into what he likes from his JRPGs. That doesn't make for a fair or interesting video, just good clickbait.
ah, 30 minutes of "I need my hand held" for a gameboy game. I bet you'd have trouble beating FF Mystic Quest.
I was 8 when I speedrun that game. Lol
@@cedrikthibert7033I still think he'd have problems LOL
I have trouble reading between the lines in old video game quests that I have to take notes regularly and I'd get farther than this guy.
This video is 30 minutes of :
"I didn't read the game manual"
Or rather :
"There is no red big marker to tell where to go next so i have figure by myself ?!"
@@rufure9294 I am legitimately confused, are these games that hard? He said he got lost for hours in a dungeon I don't even remember being difficult. Is it a generational thing? I haven't really played anything after the early PS2, did JRPGs get much easier?
@306parksn gaming has become much guided or oriented (not necessarily easier).
It's rare in recent game where you don't an hint/marker to where to go. Recent player became accustomed to this so when playing older who didn't have those, they found it more complicated to oriente themselves
Exactly this
@@306parksn it isnt, saga frontier 2 was a very great game and to me it seems he somehow managed to skip that characters prior chapters because the members he had there appear much later in the game, there was an annoying dungeon but i dont know how you can miss the reason why they went there.
Didn't bother learning any of the games, and yet took the time to edit and complete a video about hating them... Curious hill to die on.
I think he spent more time making it reasons he didn't like each one than actually playing them to find legit reasons to dislike each one.
Look at his tier list videos and how old it is and how much he hated SaGa Frontier. There was zero intention to give the series an honest go, he went in as a hater.
It maybe just that SaGa games aren't the best for farming content on a treadmill. Each analysis here seems like it was a rushjob to get a surface level feel for the games vibes and capture some footage without actually engaging deeply into them thus missing the whole point.
I mean that's how you get engagement! Gotta make sure there is an in game checklist so you best plan your uploads around!
@@cpthardluck Agreed. Look at Gaming Broductions for an example, they have some real quality videos that get your attention, are informative, and keep you coming back for more.
You put it perfectly
This video is very misinformed about an actually good but very niche JRPG series. Unlimited SaGA DIDN'T kill the series. SaGa 2 & 3 had remakes for the DS a couple of years after Unlimited SaGa.
I don't think an RPG series that isn't for everyone somehow equals it being the worst RPG series of all time.
No shit, it's like it's their own opinion, which is obvious and shouldn't needed to be stated.
@@Vezalin But extraordinary claims, like "worst rpg series of all time", require extraordinary evidence. And people found the evidence wanting.
But that title gives clicks, and that's the only thing that matters.
Personally, I dislike the Atelier series more. Never had interest in that type of grinding.
"I got filtered hard. I only play "Mash Confirm to Win" JRPGs!"
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video. Oh wait, you just did.
@@akun50 well, I did watch the video and dude got filtered insanely hard. He objectively sucks at video games (and at making videos, as click baity they are, but that's a different story), is annoyed that a jrpg is not be like every other jrpg he likes, expects his hand to be held, and is lazy and/or a quitter. What I don't understand is how you got anything but that since that's basically what the entire video is about. Are you sure you watched it? He at no point says anything redeemable about the series and constantly complains about lack of direction and difficulty, so yeah, he got filtered. Are you just simping here?
@@whatever7182100% correct. Very frustrating to watch him bitch at things he either lies about or just skill issues. If he wants to play a rpg that coddles him and helps him in every step he can play undertale.
@@akun50 How do you interpret it any other way than him getting filtered? It's thirty-minutes of him yelling "Not linear enough!" There's nothing wrong with this not being your kind of game but at some point in the creation process of a whole ass video raging at not being his linear style of JRPG you'd think he'd have realized "Maybe this series just isn't for me" before getting to the point where he plays himself on the world stage. I can only conclude this was for the clickbait views or our man got four-hours of video and was like "Well I'm not *NOT* going to get that bag off this!" It's a shame as I do think he's made some decent videos but this just reeks of "I have no intention of trying to figure these games out or offer genuine criticism such as what it could do better or what I think it did do right, nobody will complain if I just get salty for half an hour right?!"
If he'd even sort of tried to give the games a fair shake and come out the other end with a "I tried but I just can't enjoy this style" I probably wouldn't have thought anything about it. Just different strokes for different folks. But he doesn't, he just gets angry and half the games doesn't even give them 20-minutes to try and prove themselves which as a supposed hardened JRPG player he should know is a comically short amount of time to try and understand such a game.
Woah woah woah, what a terrible take. You're really dissing Romancing SaGa 3? Even if the other games have issues, they're super innovative and have incredible soundtracks, visuals, and character designs.
This dude is wild... he didn't even dive into mechanics, story, anything. Just a cash grab bs video.
1 - You didn't read the manuals. That way you would know what to do. Games til ps2 used to have manuals for a reason.
2 - I think you are too much used to modern easy games.
Well...he did get lost playing ff 4
@@martinde-serres8724use the options to look at the controller mapping
@@martinde-serres8724 No, a “lot” of modern games most certainly did not copy the no handholding mentality of earlier games. His take is spot on, read the manuals and fix your attention span.
He would lose in a mario game
I mean the first three Saga games were staples of my childhood but never really played any of the others. But you're clearly a younger gamer and you grew up with the era of games holding your hand and telling you everywhere to go and everything to do so its not unexpected that older games would miss for you. We NES kids grew up with "here is the game, you figure it out" and we'd loved every frustrating minute of it. lol
Remember when Sizzler07 made that whole "Contra frickin sucks" video and he got roasted for it and he took the video down? That kid had more shame and integrity than this guy.
The real reason UA-cam removed visible dislikes is because controversy/bait shit like this increases engagement and adviews for the company so UA-cam can keep on projecting to companies that UA-cam advertising is a viable means of selling a product and not thr massive fucking annoyance everyone actually thinks it is. And if people would click on this video and see the dislike ratio they'd just click off instead of watching it, because if they watched it they might comment and comments = engagement and engagement = adviews.
Man, if 10 year old me could figure out what to do in FFL 3 with english not being my first language, I'm sure you could've as well.
it's kind of funny how quickly he gives up, maybe it's a generational thing haha
Love his videos, but absolutely agreed. 10 min before guide? That is so absurd.
I easily beat FFL3 as a 10 year old in the 1990s well before the internet was around to provide easy answers. There are some shit SaGa games, but there are way worse JRPG series like Hyper Dimension Neptunia.
@b00g3rs21 it was pretty apparent when he said search the same area twice in FF Legends 3. He was upset about having to search the same area in the present and past and never even considered they came from the future. Too bad he didn't stick it out. He would have discovered there was an ocean floor, as well as Floatland.
@ygordreyer That's because you were expected to read the manual before you played the game. And let's not forget about the maps.
The Saga series was always something I detested. I would play a bit of every new game in the series and get so frustrated and turned off, that I would quit a few hours into them (with the exception of Unlimited Saga where I didn't even last an hour). Not too long back, I started seeing videos from Davidvinc about how much he loved the games in the GB trilogy, and I'm like.. I just don't understand what he sees in them (and I wanted to understand), so I decided to look into the mechanics of FF Legends 1 beforehand (wsc version) just to get an idea of what I was getting into, so that I wouldn't get frustrated over the directionless nature of these games, and give them a fair shot without my pre-conceived notions. It absolutely made all of the difference. I've slowly starting working my way through each game in the series from there, and I've started appreciating the depth and the quirks that every game offers. It doesn't always pan out, but I appreciate the effort that goes into trying to make something different (and not in the way that turning Final Fantasy XVI into a mediocre action game is somehow 'different', but actually different). I've grown to love the series so much, I actually want to give Unlimited Saga another shot. I'm so glad that the series didn't die off because Scarlet Grace and Emerald Beyond are one-of-a-kind experiences. I love the Saga oddness so much now!!!
But to my point,... I'm not saying you'll go back and try them, and that you'll necessarily change your mind about them, but mindset is half of the battle with these games. If you do a little research into each game's unique mechanics, it pays off in spades with enjoyment factor once it clicks. I was just at a point where I was burned out on anime melodrama in most modern RPGs and I needed to find something mechanically interesting in the genre, and SaGa really scratched that itch. Sure, they don't have the most compelling stories but I like them for what they are, and once you master the systems in each game, it's so gratifying and addicting. It's nice to play something that isn't so story-focused from time to time anyways. It actually got me interested in dungeon crawlers and the likes, so I owe a lot to this series for opening up my mind a bit.
I respect your views though. I was also adamantly against Dragon Warrior for 20 years before I played Dragon Quest IX and then I got it!!! Sometimes it just takes the right game at the right moment, but even if you never touch the series again, that's fine as well. I just think there's value in the series if you are willing to just do some bare minimum research, but I know not everyone is always willing to. People play games for fun and research isn't fun, in and of itself. In the case of SaGa, I think it is a stepping stone for good times, however.
"What's a manual" the video.
A game series that requires you to read manuals and walkthroughs just to progress the game isn't super fun, what a surprise.
@@GregRJohnson736 Game designers that need an introduction to game design. Like the Sequelitis Mega Man X video. Which was funny as hell...
@@GregRJohnson736
Bruh.
Video games didn't used to have tutorials that explained what every single button does.
If older games aren't your style, or you don't enjoy the mechanics, I get that. And to be fair, the FFL games have one of the weirdest progressions I've ever seen: I tried to get into these games too because the worlds sounded cool, but I got turned off by how complicated leveling was.
But if you don't like the game because you can't be bothered to read the instructions that would've come with it...come on.
@@GregRJohnson736 Tutorials are literally in-game manuals.
@@starofjustice1 I can dislike a game for whatever reason. Reading external instructions is not something I want to do. I'm not trying to solve a puzzle or build ikea furniture, I'm just trying to play a game. There's an infinite amount of games out there I can just go play something else if I don't like it and if there wasn't I could just go do something else I enjoy. I'm not being forced to play games I don't enjoy, and the few games of the saga series I have played I don't enjoy. They either require you to have a walkthrough open to progress or tons of time spent talking to random NPCs or wandering around aimlessly trying to find the next clue. Some people might enjoy that, I don't, most sane people who value their leisure time spent don't. Why do you think this series is basically dead? Because it's such a great series that everyone enjoys?
As for older games, I used to enjoy them, I play them from time to time and the reason they didn't need tutorials explaining everything was they were often much much simpler back in the day. Fewer buttons, fewer mechanics, fewer in game systems to keep track of and that is part of the charm of playing older games.
I never played any Saga game, so i'm not saying was a fan, but if your video is not intended to by inflamatory, you did a really bad job a at it... For beginning, you say that you are not that fan of old RPGs, so it's pretty obvious that you will not like a franchise that is made mostly of old RPGs... Then you complaing about lack of tutorials, but as many people already say, old games usually come with manuals and it's really unfair judging a game without searching for one, that's a universal flaw of playing old games in modern times. I also expect that you would endure through the games and finish i to give a fair review, even if you disliked it, but most of the games you just play very little, hit a road block and instantly get filtered... I can't judge you for not playing a thing you didn't like, but if you intend to make a video calling a entire franchise "The WORST JRPG Seires of All Time" you really should actually play the games, specially the one you call for sure "The worst JRPG" and barely play it... Once again i say, i'm not a fan of the franchise and i'm sure many of those games probably age like milk, but honestly, this video say much more about you than about any of the games on it.
I love that he said Romancing Saga 2 was his favorite of the Romancing games yet played an hour of it. Not realizing that you cycle thru kings very frequently
Homie hasn't even played the games he's defending.
@@philbuttler3427 I'm not defending the games itself, i'm criticizing the critic. It's hard to give credit to an opinion saying that a entire franchise is "the worst" while the person don't bother to give the game a fair chance and just give up at the first minor roadblock.
I was reading a discussion about tutorials in games and saw the point that a lot of older games had very short or none at all and this was because the expected way of playing was that you would have read the manual that came with the game.
So I had a look at the final fantasy legend manual and it explained everything in it that confused you and even had a nice little walkthrough for a good chunk of the game in it.
Not saying that it would have made you enjoy the early saga games more or anything just an interesting observation that even us old gamers forget about when playing old games and also doesn't help with the more modern entries 😂
That was my reaction when he learned he could jump in 3. A lot of these older games depend on the manual to teach you the game.
Saga Frontier 1/2 gave you the freedom to tackle the end game bosses very early. Doesn't mean that you had to or should have unless you enjoyed the difficulty. Some people did beat the mounted knight in early Elden Ring or even the tutorial boss but 99% weren't expect to. You were suppose to lose.
When you hit a wall too high for you to scale, don't you look to see if you can go around? "This area is too hard, I need homies" was how SF encouraged you to explore the rest of the world. It's kinda obvious, man.
I hate it when people play games wrong then blame the game for their own shortcomings
@@AnaverdGaidenIt's wild how he criticized Romancing Saga 2 for making certain missions hard to do but never mentioning that's because you're not going to be able to do every side quest you want in your first playthrough. It's not an oversight or bad design. That's the freaking game!
So you couldn't play every single title to completion, sure. But you couldn't even finish the beyond emerald demo? 🤔
This video seems to be more about his own impatience and him expecting game to tell him exactly what to do rather than the games themselves.
I still consider Romancing SaGa 3 my favorite SNES JRPG (and one of my favorites of all time really) and I replay it regularly. Sou much fun when you dont have the attention of an amoeba. I recommend you to go back to Fortnite and Call of Duty.
Also, Legend of Legacy and Alliance Alive are technically SaGa games too.
This video should be titled "JRPGs that are not immaculately perfect throughout the entire game"
So yeah this video is just basically about a guy complaining about games where whenever he hits a roadblock and gets stuck or when something gets a little too confusing for him, he quits and calls it worst JRPGs.
Lol.
So your whole thing is "I can't read and therefore I hate these games"? That is not even an opinion, this is just ignoring everything the game blatantly tells you and blaming the game for it. This channel will be ignored in the future and I hate the youtube algorithm for suggesting it to me.
Bro could get lost in a phone booth.
Lmao
Even with a map
He literally admits he only played most of these games for about 10 minutes. Thats not even enough time to get through the first cutscene in some final fantasy games.
He expects coddling
I can guarantee if he played for longer, you'd say something like "Oh but why did you play the game for so long if you really don't like it?"
I respect that everyone has their own opinions, but we can't be friends
Lol, so you don't respect that everyone has their own opinion 😂
@@lambertar Oh you can have all the opinions you want, but I don't have to like you or be your friend.
@@drakewarnock1239 "I respect everyone, but if you're black we can't be friend 😂"
Same energy 😅
@@lambertar You know. You're right. I apologize. Clearly making a joke about how I really like the SaGa series was taking things a step too far and has put me on the same level as racists. Thank you for making me see the light.
@@drakewarnock1239 I love how dramatic and defensive everyone gets on social media 😅.
I don't think you're a racist and I don't have any issue with you liking Saga nor with Taylor hating it 😅.
I wish you a great day.
Surprisingly low quality content here, yikes.
not only did you rush the video and playing the games but also reading the damn guides for every game system bc u could have foreseen the guild party member and plan accordingly. u keep repeating poor design but really it's a bit unfair as it was pretty common to go to any damn town and talk to everybody, at least twice, to know where to go you know, and this has been like forever...
I hope this is a constructive reply. Even as a fan of SaGa, I thought most of your video was valid criticism. But your assessment of Legend III seemed so rushed and half-hearted that some viewers won't continue watching the rest of the video. I almost didn't. Also, saying you sincerely believe the hyperbolic title at the conclusion of the video is horribly presumptuous.
bro you missed April 1st by a few months
Now here's somebody I'd trust to actually give these games the fair chance they deserve.
You made the games sound alot worse than they are. Nothing wrong if you don’t enjoy them but you shouldn’t put off others from trying it.
These games are meant for people who like difficult games that don’t explain everything and let you discover things for yourself. Seems like you’re too used to modern easy RPG that hold your hand like Persona
Well...he did say he got lost playing ff 4 and those games tell you basically what to do every step of the way. My first was r3 and loved it. Took me a bit to get used to it but changing formations, team attacks and figuring how you had to kill the 4 fiends or whatever was so fun...and then you fight their stronger versions.
nah man persona is too much for him, he wouldn't survive p1 and the p2 duology
@@hezlonway100 To be fair, when people reference the Persona franchise, they usually don't mean those games. P1 & 2 might as well be their own spin-off sub-series... as if keeping track of the MegTen franchise wasn't confusing enough, already.
Too bad for you, Nintendo Direct and Square Enix just released a trailer of Romancing SaGa 2: Revenge of the Seven, a full 3D remake of the original Romancing SaGa 2.
9th best selling Squaresoft game on the SNES. Incredibly unique mechanics, totally worth the remake. They're lowering the difficulty for it, but it'd probably still be too hard for him since he can't bother to interact with a game's mechanics.
@@LeonardoBramante I'm not going to make fun of him about it, but these mechanics-heavy games are not for everyone and that's fine. This just demonstrates that there IS an audience for them.
@@IronbloodedRPGBadger Oh I'm giving a statement. He could barely make it through 10 minutes to an hour of most of the franchise. He didn't give most of them a fair shot, so he likely wouldn't give the remake a fair shot either.
@@LeonardoBramante Yeah, I think he's being WAY overdramatic over this franchise, IMO.
Thank you algorithm ,I know to never watch another video from this channel. I'm not a fan of this series either but yuck.
How should I put it...
While I do respect that opinion was based on personal playthrough of the series (however I honestly disagree in more ways than one), calling it the worst series of all time is a really heavy claim to make, one I believe you don't realize the weight of as of yet.
Now, please excuse me incongruously laughing in the corner.
Pfft... Pffhahahahahahaha!
Of course he doesn't realize it. Dude was stupid enough to get filtered by the gameboy games that literal 10 year olds were able to figure out and beat.
Nah bro. Don't conflate not understanding a game for it being a bad game or a bad series of games.
SaGa Frontier is boss. That’s all I have to say.
I like these games precisely because they don't hold my hand. It's fun to make mistakes, get punished, then pick myself up and try again. It's the same appeal a genre like roguelikes have.
😂 watching some dude reviewing games he never beat. I may as well watch a review about a movie some guy never watched. He saw 10 mins of it... Yeah that should be good enough.
Don’t listen to this guy romancing saga 2 and 3 are some the best rpgs of all time.
I mean it's your opinion but man as far as your made it into saga 1 and determined it sucked is as far as I made it into this video and thought your opinion was trash.
Lowest common denominator content for the content mill, really. "Weird thing is non-traditional and bad," is some of the most boring "criticism".
Wow, I have never been a part of the crowd that makes negative Gen Z / Millennial stereotypes, but you sure make me reconsider after watching your entire video. I can't believe that you clearly weren't intelligent enough to understand that the older games had manuals. Like, wow. Wow....
Thank for the engagement bait. You just earned an unsubcribe.
This is rough to watch man.
The SaGa games are incredible. One of the only truly original RPG series in the genre that don't chase common gaming trends and actually give agency to the player. They're not for everyone, but they're all about choosing your adventure. Essentially open world RPGs.
I think you might just be bad at jrpgs...or really impatient.
No joke about that. He was running from all the random battles. He wasn't going to make it far at all.
@@jeremyhall2727 I notice that's every person who says RPGs suck. They start the game, run from every battle, then die at the first boss and go "this game requires so much grinding, it's terrible!" They'll also just spam normal attacks and ignore skills and items.
@@AnaverdGaiden Yeah they need to prepare more. No different then how a boxer train before a fight. Fighting those random battles... that's like working out for your character. The more you fight (workout) the stronger you will become.
@@jeremyhall2727 Yeah, exactly! Personally, I love the feeling of growing in an RPG. It's a lot of fun going from struggling to survive in a dungeon to the enemies becoming manageable, and then easy. Plus, I think it's silly how people complain about having to fight battles in RPGs when literally every other genre of games also forces you to fight encounters.
@@AnaverdGaiden you said it perfectly 👍🏾 I don't know what happened it people. It's like they forgot what RPGs was. When I was a kid... people used to say, "those smart people games." I guess it was too hard for a lot of people back then too 😂
The one thing I always complained about classic FF works is how linear they are. Romancing SaGa 2 and 3 literally gave what I asked for, its great. Maybe commit more to the games you play because its easy to get tost in these kind of games if you play with Discord con the side.Its not that hard and definetively not the worst JRPGs series that exist. God I hate zoomers.
Rather bold to say this when the Hyperdimension series exist.
Enjoy and neptunia aren't to things that go together, it's the most boring, basic and questionable title out there 😂@@martinde-serres8724
Kemko tho, shovel-ware.
@@martinde-serres8724 I like Neptunia.
@@R3GARnator There are some ok Kemco games. Masterpieces? Far from it but enjoyable nonetheless.
Lol no.
I hate to say it but...
Skill issue!!
100% true.
ok not gonna lie, not sure if this was a click bait video, or if you really just didnt understand the concept of these games, but it just overall felt like a bad take.
One of my favorite things from Final Fantasy Legend II is for a large portion of the game, if you wipe, you get brought back to life by an NPC. At some point you find the NPC and face him in a boss battle and kill him. Once he's gone, you wipe, it's game over. I really liked that game. Wasn't as big of a fan of the other two Legend games.
ODIN!
Saga Frontier Remastered was the best game I've played in that year.
I actually like Unlimited SaGa. It's one of the most original JRPGs I've ever played.
The Saga series is my second most favorite video game series after Suikoden. I actually like Unlimited Saga, too.
A-are you ok? i don't think it's skill issue... I think you have brain damage 😭
Its certainly not for everyone but "worst of all time" is a bit much. Thats like me calling the 2K sports games the worst of all time. Do i hate them, absolutely. Does a group enjoy them and i shouldnt shit on peoples likes, also true
More specifically its like saying "Madden games are terrible because i hate football." He just doesn't like the style of game saga is which is his opinion, but calling it the worst because you don't get it is weird. I dont like mobas and to me league would be a terrible experience, thats why I dont play them. I think the video would have been better if he focused on one title and thoroughly played it and did an in depth critique. That would be far more interesting than rapid fire dabbling with each game.
Agreed
Off topic but I used to like the NFL 2k games better than madden in ther early 2000s
Early 2000s was when they actually put effort into the games so that's understandable
13:00 is what happens when you don't know how to use a compass 😂
The deal with this series is that it isnt a jrpg. Its a western crpg. Its mechanics heavy and the lack of information is intentional. Its made to make you think. But its absolutely not for everyone.
His videos did oop up in my recommends before. One did caught my eye 🤷🏾♀️ but I don't know after watching this one. Is he even going to beat it before he review it?
Just came to say I disagree with SaGa being the worst JRPG series. I realize that "worst JRPG series" is absolutely a better title than "my least favorite JRPG series" but it still stings to hear haha. I understand it's not for everybody but I definitely love it for what it is. I think some of these games were very ahead of their time and definitely worth checking out.
Yeah, nobody likes stuff they like being bashed 😅.
Kudos for taking it like a champ, you're my favorite internet person today 💜
It's definitely not the worst series😂. It's actually one of the best
Safe to say modern gamers are too coddled to play gameboy games. Which is a really wild sentence
He got lost in the PS1 versions too
Yeah, any game that requires actual effort is too much for a lot of people. It's really sad.
We all have very big brains for playing sagas series
No matter how you cut it, these games are not well put together. I grew up with them and I still know they aren’t good.
@@turnbasedtoddy7664 Are you specifically referring to the Game Boy games or the whole franchise?
If you don't enjoy SaGa as a JRPG enjoyer, it says way more about YOU than it does the series
this feels like a "FF7 rebirth is the best JRPG of all time" kind of video
When did I mention that game at all in this video? 🤨
@@TheGamingShelf that was not what i said
Guy is fighting against people that don't actually exist lmao
I've known you to be a SaGa hater from your Giant Sword Podcast days. As a SaGa fan I've always been baffled by that and I am glad you are releasing the video. That should explain a lot.
Just watched it. Yeah, par for the course. I don't even know why you spent all that time playing games you clearly knew you won't like at all. :D
Also, it's fitting that the second most disliked game in the series is your favourite.
i've heard that modern gamers need there hand held and to be guided every step of the way and even growing up the saga series wasn't my favorite of the games i enjoyed but saying that your attention span and the fact that you need your hand held every step of the way says more about you than the games you are critizing
Dude, finish the games. If you're going to be a reviewer, accept the fact that you're going to have to spend time playing games to the finish. There is no middle ground here.
This guy is the Zoomers of today giving reviews on games "I don't know where to go. Game bad." "I don't *wanna* read the manual!"
*This* guy is why games today have yellow paint.
Oh no! People just want to emulate games and play them on their own volition without having to shell out $300 for a complete copy with its manual! Truly a silly zoomer moment amirite?
@@PeruvianPotato Way to miss the point. Good job.
>so the combat is a bit mindless
>i started to get killed by this enemies and couldnt progress so i tried other characters and got stuck again :cccccccccc
Yes, because you didnt know you could block attacks, prepare counter moves, inflict stun, use party to make combos or surges that will inflict major damage on enemies or change the turn order completely, nor did you pay attention to weapon damage types to understand that different enemies wont be as vulnerable to certain types of weapon daamges, nor did you change formations, playing in front row with the weapon in attack mode.
Because the combat is certainly mindless.
Its not.
The series is good because its not retarded like Jrpg conventions demand most to be, its focused on exploration and experimentation, you have to get out of your comfort zone and understand which playstyles fit you more, you dont need to understand all of its systems, nor read guides to play most of those (save US) but you need to explore, know when to retreat and when to outfit your party. take Ministrel song for example:
Zones have vastly different Modifiers for battle ranks, high level areas with +2/3 modifiers, while other zones have regular or -1 modifiers. you have to go out, take ships, caravans, walk a lot, find quests, start different character arcs and slowly develop your party, once you finally can take out on strong foes, its not only satisfying because the game is hard but because the loot is properly placed and for the most part, re-outfiting your party takes time and makes a huge difference (mind you that loot progression isnt also the typical x town has y sword with 20 dmg, Y has a better one with 30 dmg). Takes this, mix with the fact that this game has the >>best
It's the most galling part of the whole thing: thirty minutes of complaints about the "bad game design" and yet the reviewer clearly had no idea how the games even worked. On one hand, I get it, because SaGa games are complicated beasts and the JRPG genre they ostensibly belong to leads people to try the games under the misconception that they are linear, narrative driven RPGs ala Dragon Quest, Final Fantasy, et al. But on the other hand, like, have some intellectual curiosity. If you're gonna make a half hour video condemning something as among the worst of its medium, you could at least make an attempt to understand what you're criticizing, otherwise you're just giving players who've never tried it a false impression of the games while annoying vets of the series who can see the superficiality of the criticism.
And sure, people will say, "oh look, SaGa fans are being defensive, all seventeen of them..." but people not liking the games isn't the problem -- lots of people don't like SaGa, we're used to that, they're weird games and obviously not made for mainstream appeal -- it's the quality of the critique. Imagine posting reviews of Final Fantasy or Persona games, where you play for an hour or two, come up with some utterly misguided opinions on the gameplay and story, and then make a video lampooning it all. Those games' (considerably larger) fandoms would surely be irritated, no?
Just a very frustrating video, all in all. I hope he goes back and gives the games a more thorough examination sometime down the road, even if he still ends up hating them. I love it when people cover SaGa games, good or bad, but good lord is it frustrating that so many of the people who hate SaGa seem to fundamentally misunderstand it.
@@HappyRatKaiser the comparison with the souls series was the low point for me because he essentially assumed that the game had an objective story progression, which, no, it doesnt.
And he also used >>a souls game>need guides
@@JrdotanThis is the same guy that claimed Trinity Trigger is trying to be like Diablo when it was a spiritual successor to Secret Of Mana.
So... it's unpaid work?
@@julioagua if thinking = work
Then yes
man, you are literally saying that you did not pass the tutorial or you simply did not want to advance from the initial areas of the SaGa sagas, and also if you died you went to another route to see if it was less "difficult", if you want to give your opinion at least finish a SaGa, so that you have a minimal idea of what you want to say, in addition to the fact that SaGa is one of the pillars of all square enix, and that they have made this unfounded criticism of each saga, it only leaves you as a person who is conformist with rpgs current, who does not want to experience something new, which has been evolving and improving over time.
Lmfao "Its archaic". No my guy, it's original. This is where jrpgs come from. You comparing modern day quality of life changes vs the original game from 1989 cements that maybe you shouldn't be making videos about things you don't understand. Orders of operation guy. Games originally didn't hold your hand with tutorials. Older games like this were physical release only so the "tutorial" was the books that used to come with games. Please stop making videos outside your comfort zone.😂
The SaGa series is a very very VERY niche franchise. It scratches a very particular itch for some people, and does it very well. It's just not for everyone.
SaGa Frontier and Romancing SaGa 3 imo are the best ones.
The people it is for, though, are insufferable if you dare complain about their beloved franchise.
@@saintsea-hat7891 Like most fandom I would think. Someone disliking what someone else love doesn't take any value from it 😅. People think their whole identity is under attack.
I love Natural Doctrine and people hate it 🤷♂️.
Unlimited SaGa is the best one.
Tldr: "i wasnt spoon fed everything so the games suck"
I beat FF4, Chrono trigger, Digimon World 3 and FFT when i was 10-12. Im Brazillian, there was no translation to Portuguese to those games at the time.
Your ass getting filtered by every game within an hour doesn't make these games bad, it just makes you someone who doesn't actually like thinking about games you play. But I guess some people love putting how vapid they are on full display. Good for you, I guess?
Right! "This game had a level up system like FF2" No.... all the games did (except Saga 3, I think) you just didn't get far enough in them to increase your skills
You clickbaited my favourite series of all time :(
whenever people say that relatively mainstream games they like, like the SaGa series, "filter" people, I'm always a little skeptical and wonder if they aren't just overstating how niche their interests really are. I mean, sure, some of the SaGa games are odd and experimental, and the real crowd-pleasing masterpieces for the SuFami never got localized until way later, but these are still pretty conventionally solid games with obviously well-crafted aspects and a vision its hard to deny, right?
I've never seen a man get filtered so hard in my entire life. Legitimately had to read the comments to realize he wasn't trolling lmfao
Way too much of this just screams "I can not be bothered to read a manual".
Elden Ring isn't directionless. The characters tell you what to do to beat the game. Not every game has to have a bright arrow pointing you to the next objective. You're the reason Navi and Fi exist.
Were you the same guy who reviewed that obscure JRPG with 1000 levels? I thought you said that was the worst JRPG.
While I strongly disagree with his thesis statement for this video, he did qualify this was the worst "series." Not the worst JRPG period.
@@RocketJSquirrel He said Saga Unlimited was the worst JRPG he ever played.
I'm pretty sure "series" falls on a technicality. Most companies would go bankrupt. Square just happens to be rich.
Final Fantasy Legend 3 was epic on the Gameboy back when it released! Did you, by any chance, not have the manuals when you played the trilogy?
The manuals are literally included in the Collection on which he played the games, if I recall correctly.
Even if they aren't, dude couldn't even be bothered to Google it right quick.
Even without the manuals taking like ten minutes to figure out a mechanic just isn't conductive to his level of patience. Very much comes off like a soul less content farm.
"So many bad games are already covered on UA-cam! Ooh! How about these!?"
Imagine judging games from 1990s using 2024 standards instead of using 1990s standards.
Weird cuz I actually find Saga Frontier not that hard and the best one out of all the Saga
The Saga series won't hold your hand and tell you anything which could either a good or bad thing depending on what kind of gamer you are
yeah. I love it
I just beat it recently. Such good battle music.
I beat frontier with every character but the actress🤣 but it felt bad and cheap. It was like silly stories my brother and i came up with when we were 8.
Unlimited is the best
lol, the series isn't bad, you're just plain. You're the kind of person who'd whine about naan because you don't get how it's supposed to be eaten.
I may be the only person who loved Unlimited Saga.
Those are not Kemco RPGs
yeah they have more than 2 boss themes
Kemco games are honestlty passable if you play one like every 10 years. They do tiny little iterations each game so they compound over the years. I played exe creates ruinverse and had some fun but got bored before finishing. And I beat one by hitpoint I think it was called monster viator. I mean they are what they are assembly line cellphone jrpgs with nostalgic graphics. Id never call them great by any means but they're not bottom of the barrel.
@@ataridc I've played plenty of Kemco games (for better or for worse) generally you're best hope is a 5 out of 10 with a neat idea thrown in there. On occasion you'll get something genuinely great like Justice Chronicles but don't hold your breath
@@TitaRussellTrails my first kemco games are silver nornir its not great just decent enough to get my interest till finish it
@@TitaRussellTrails yeah that's pretty much what I'm saying some are around 5ish games. it's a shame because the idea of a company pumping out retro style rpgs on a steady basis sounds like a great thing, but then you realize a lot of the games are practically just reskins.
I stopped watching your video, when you stopped playing the first game. Word of advice, don't review games you didn't really play. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, I find you cone off as soneone that doesnt do much research nor is able to read properly (attention deficit disorder?). To get the thiefs in RS2 you first need to recruit cat to help you infiltrate the fortress and fibish that quest. Dunno which walkthrough you used but am pretty sure they mentionned it, making me think you just skim through text. Personally, i find that out all by myself (i played the game for the first time last month)
Saga Frontier 1&2 are actually good games in my opinion
And Unlimited Saga is hard to explain but IS actually a good game
It's just nothing like a Norma JRPG
Closer to a boardgame
Isn't Unlimited just DnD travel board with obscured map features to keep you guessing? Doesn't seem like something to completely whine over unless you hit a stat road block your character can't back out of.
@@richardklein1167 It's certainly a challenge to adapt to and I think that pushed away a lot of people.
It's quite interesting with a fire soundtrack
you cant be serious about this
As a 40 years old gamer with very few time to play, I can completely understand that you feel that these games don't respect your time (and they really don't), but they are still a product of their time, with very grindy mechanics, and yet, these games are also very ahead of their time with all the possibilities they give you. So while I can understand you, I don't agree with you because I think you didn't play these games the way they are meant to. How many other have mentioned, these are old games and most of their mechanics are explained in the manuals, if you completely ignored that fact, them you were probably not aware of everything you needed to know to play the game.
Also, it seems you never reached the point on any of these games were they get most interesting: the generation change. After you complete the story of the main character you selected, you can move to play the story of their descendants that depends on the your party and your choices during the game. This leads to very broad branching stories and characters you can experience and that's also the reason why the game doesn't tell you what to do, because it gives you the freedom to do anything you want. In SaGa Frontier your choices could even affect the development of the solar system, changing the history of entire planets. Granted, your options are very limited at the start which makes hard to find what to do, but discovering them is also part of the game. So while the story might seem uninteresting in the beginning they can get very crazy later down the road.
My main complaint with these games, is the darn level scaling system where enemies level up along with you, which is completely counterintuitive because that means that if you grind too much the battles will get harder, so battles are easier if you don't try to get over leveled.
Just say you hate nonlinear games.
16:15 I mean, that's one way to do it but you really didn't have to, the slime boss resists blunt attacks (and probably pierce) attacks but not slash attacks so you can easily spam Double Cut with spell support from Gerard or the mage you can get as soon as Gerard becomes the party leader... when you're not healing every turn or so because that electric attack is nasty.
Romancing SaGa 2 is my favorite game btw.
Now I''m picturing him trying to spread jelly on his PB&J with a hammer, and blaming the bread that it's not working out.
You can't be playing an hour of a jrpg and give it a fair review my man, so I can't finish the video
Saga series is like an MMORPG without the online. There is so much freedom and each character has a goal. Focus on the goal, but do whatever you want and have an "adventure" is the medium.