I'm enjoying the Dapper extended universe. It's great that there's a group of dinosaurs/aliens/fey beings that just get together to bitch about creationism.
I will never understand the people who say "we all interpret the same data, just differently" as it is always accompanied by either ignoring data or taking the objectively worst interpretation of said data. Given how much mathematical prowess Tomkins has demonstrated, he is heavily guilty of the latter.
You see, I have an apple, you have an apple. One might say we have two apples, but what if we were to interpret that data differently and say we have 10.000 apples instead?
I agree with you on ignoring data but I do think that the old canard being accompanied by misinterpreting data is a feature, not a bug, bc it exists to enable this sort of behavior. For example, AIG had this visual aid that they used when I was growing up of creationists and evolutionists each viewing the world through their own individual set of colored lenses (even though those Big Mean Evolutionists claim that they have an unfiltered view of the world and creationists are the only ones who are filtering things through their worldview lenses). This is meant to imply that, even though *they're* filtering the evidence through their own preconception of what it should mean, so is the other side, so this sort of stuff is all totally cool and normal and they're going to keep doing it. (In retrospect, the degree to which they normalized this amount of mental gymnastics for me when I was growing up was extremely culty.)
Oh hey, it's Tompkins, time to strap in for an hour long talk on the topic of genetics! *Hears faint drums, drums in the deep. Playing the intro to Under the Sea from the Little Mermaid*
@@DapperDinosaur yeah, that was part of the joke :) once you've noticed it once, it's everywhere: YEC "scientists" trained in topic A speaking on topic B, when their organization they're speaking for has people trained in B on staff. I think the reason is pre-emptively having plausible deniability for when people catch mistakes or ask hard questions.
The part where he talks about how much mysterious interesting life is still being found down in the ocean, and all I can think about is how almost every living thing in that ocean is sensitive to changes in temperature, pressure, salinity, clarity, oxygenation, diet, and so on, all of which would have been blasted straight to hell by any rendition of the global flood. The existence of ocean diversity is evidence against the flood.
16:54 Should be mentioned that plate tectonics are not mentioned in the Bible at all and there is nothing, not a single word, that suggests that any plate movement occurred during the Flood. It is something that Creationists think they need, so it is something they add.
I love when a Creationist "scientist" is asked, "What's the evolutionist (read: backed by scientific consensus) explanation for this phenomena?," and they answer with some fringe hypothesis that nobody has supported in at least a few decades, if they don't just make something up entirely. Tomkins working hard on the strawman factory
E seems to be playing word games. The sea floor is not necessarily used as the same thing as the ocean floor (it sounds like he was often referring only to the floor of the inundated bits of the continental crust. it is also not the same in most cases as the basalt that makes up most of the oceanic crust. The sediment that you would interact with at the ocean floor is almost always relatively young (the same as the soil we walk on for the same reasons) He also straight up lies a lot so I don’t see why the word games unless he is trying to ensure people can’t use google to find the actual processes etc
The fact they have to say it at all is damning enough. I often say creationists have no shame, but in this case I think it is. YECs aren't flerfs not because of some consistent and intellectual analysis of data and scripture, but because being flerf is shameful and is ridiculed.
4:57 the usual answer IIRC is “it was locked in the fountains of the deep, which God opened up to initiate the flood.” The question that then arises, though, is: where are these fountains now, and why can’t we find them today?
I'll take "Vastness and Void" for $400, Alex. "The last thing one might call the mind of Jeffrey Tompkins." What is "The Deep," Alex! *DING DING DING DING*
20:39 I don't know from where the phrase "race car speed tectonic" come from. I've heard it from both Gutsick Gibbon and on this channel. To get race car speed require Tomkins level math! If we count from Pangea to rougly todays continents within a year, we get fairly comfortable hiking speed. As in backpacking during the day, with food breaks, tenting overnight and continue the next day... you can even throw in some resting days! If you look at the average hiking speed over the Appalachian trail or Pacific Crest Trail, they hike these trails faster than those continents needed to move! Even if you count from Rodinia or even the Columbia super continent, you wouldn't get much more than an average cyclist speed. Of course... technically a race car can travel those speeds too, at least some race cars. Trying to keep a F1 car at those speeds would make it stop withing a very short time, they can't be driven that slowly!
Interesting, according to Tomkin’s argument the crust should be in equilibrium with the mantle. He must have had a big problem with his thermal properties of materials class
I think it would have been interesting to use the Null Island buoy. It's in the middle of nowhere coordinates are 0 0 where the Prime Meridian crosses the equator.
@@StarSong936 that would have been a really cool one to use. It just amuses me that Barel is hiding in the deep dark depths of just off of the coast of Florida.
30:12 Well, if we disregard the explanations why part of the seafloor is fairly young, we can't explain it. But then again, YEC can't explain why the seafloor is so old! Regardless if both main stream science and YEC both have no explanation, some parts of the earth being only 4.5% of the total age is at least possible, even if we have no clue how this happened! Some parts of the earth being roughly 33.000 times as old as the creation of the universe is absolutely impossible!
9:13 Humans can not breath under water? Since when someone is getting a Nobel Prize for this discovery. On a side note can a Dinosaur or a squid get a Nobel Prize? Or are only humans allowed to receive such an award?
33:28 you know you're totally not a pseudoscience when you have to randomly distance yourself from pseudoscience unprompted EDIT: oh NVM he was saying that bc he was about to talk about the land being flat and he didn't want to be misunderstood. Still an incredibly wild thing to lead with though
21:22 these guys are so bad communicators (in my opinion allegedly) it actually looks like they're frozen for several seconds! At this point, cardboard cutouts would have been better
Well, the hydrogen in the ocean is almost as old as the universe. The oxygen is a little bit younger than that. and the water they make up started to rain out of the atmosphere once the crust of the earth cooled down enough to allow for liquid water. Is that a close enough guestimate? Deplorable ilk. Well, turn about is fair play I guess. I've done that sort of thing myself so I'm not really one to talk. That being said, I think they are more deserving of the name ilk than you, Erika, Dave, Aron or most that I spend my days with on YT. Though, I think Sir Sic would take it as flattery. @39:49 Tell me you don't understand geology without saying you don't understand geology. I gather these people don't believe that subduction is a thing that recycles the crust of the planet.
I suppose you have to give them some credit for their committment to the lie. I mean, i couldn't imagine saying this much stuff i know is just flat out nonsense whilst keeping a straight face.
I'm enjoying the Dapper extended universe. It's great that there's a group of dinosaurs/aliens/fey beings that just get together to bitch about creationism.
Thanks! I think it's fun too!
27:45 in my state, we cover this in 7th, 8th, and 9th grades. I literally just covered this with my 9th grade earth science classes.
Nice! And yeah is it really any surprise that they're worse at science that a 9th grader?
@@DapperDinosaurnot surprising, just disappointing
29:14 Ah, yes! Dapper’s Subscribers! A group of people famously known for having consistent names from week to week!
LOL
I will never understand the people who say "we all interpret the same data, just differently" as it is always accompanied by either ignoring data or taking the objectively worst interpretation of said data. Given how much mathematical prowess Tomkins has demonstrated, he is heavily guilty of the latter.
The key to understanding it is to stop assuming good faith, at least on the part of the professionals.
They seem to assume the data itself has no inherent implications whatsoever.
You see, I have an apple, you have an apple. One might say we have two apples, but what if we were to interpret that data differently and say we have 10.000 apples instead?
@@LoisoPondohva Just as valid! It's the same data, you see, just a different interpretation!
I agree with you on ignoring data but I do think that the old canard being accompanied by misinterpreting data is a feature, not a bug, bc it exists to enable this sort of behavior. For example, AIG had this visual aid that they used when I was growing up of creationists and evolutionists each viewing the world through their own individual set of colored lenses (even though those Big Mean Evolutionists claim that they have an unfiltered view of the world and creationists are the only ones who are filtering things through their worldview lenses). This is meant to imply that, even though *they're* filtering the evidence through their own preconception of what it should mean, so is the other side, so this sort of stuff is all totally cool and normal and they're going to keep doing it. (In retrospect, the degree to which they normalized this amount of mental gymnastics for me when I was growing up was extremely culty.)
3:52 “Do you know exactly what percentage it is?”
I am convinced that Trey is trolling Tomkins about his human-chimp genomic similarity figures here.
Lol
“Baby earth lunatics.” Hilarious. I to that.
:) thanks!
8:38 William Smith is Will's character in the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air. The actor's name is Willard Carroll Smith II.
Damn
Oh hey, it's Tompkins, time to strap in for an hour long talk on the topic of genetics!
*Hears faint drums, drums in the deep. Playing the intro to Under the Sea from the Little Mermaid*
Lol and it wasn't even genetics
@@DapperDinosaur yeah, that was part of the joke :) once you've noticed it once, it's everywhere: YEC "scientists" trained in topic A speaking on topic B, when their organization they're speaking for has people trained in B on staff.
I think the reason is pre-emptively having plausible deniability for when people catch mistakes or ask hard questions.
The part where he talks about how much mysterious interesting life is still being found down in the ocean, and all I can think about is how almost every living thing in that ocean is sensitive to changes in temperature, pressure, salinity, clarity, oxygenation, diet, and so on, all of which would have been blasted straight to hell by any rendition of the global flood. The existence of ocean diversity is evidence against the flood.
excellent point
16:54 Should be mentioned that plate tectonics are not mentioned in the Bible at all and there is nothing, not a single word, that suggests that any plate movement occurred during the Flood.
It is something that Creationists think they need, so it is something they add.
Yup, they do that all the time.
Jeffy Tom-kun and the deep mysteries
"If butter am made of milk, why is not liquid? Checkmate Athies!@#!@#!@"
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“Dapper has informed me of your Earth game ‘BIN-go’.”
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I love when a Creationist "scientist" is asked, "What's the evolutionist (read: backed by scientific consensus) explanation for this phenomena?," and they answer with some fringe hypothesis that nobody has supported in at least a few decades, if they don't just make something up entirely. Tomkins working hard on the strawman factory
He's going to single handedly solve the scarecrow shortage.
I've never seen a hexapus do the macarena before. Now my life is complete
You're welcome
Just how many Dappers are there in the Dapper universe? That's a lot of suits for you to wear!
Oh this guy isn't actually me, but the multiverse is infinite.
E seems to be playing word games.
The sea floor is not necessarily used as the same thing as the ocean floor (it sounds like he was often referring only to the floor of the inundated bits of the continental crust. it is also not the same in most cases as the basalt that makes up most of the oceanic crust. The sediment that you would interact with at the ocean floor is almost always relatively young (the same as the soil we walk on for the same reasons)
He also straight up lies a lot so I don’t see why the word games unless he is trying to ensure people can’t use google to find the actual processes etc
I think he may actually be trying to get people incapable of fact checking him. I can't prove it.
I think we know better than to expect Tompkins to be capable of high school math.
We do know better
Subduction, Tomkins, subduction! I understand nearly nothing of geology and I get it!
It's not too complicated
It's cute that YECs have to say "I'm not a flerf! For real" Even if I sound like one!"
The fact they have to say it at all is damning enough. I often say creationists have no shame, but in this case I think it is. YECs aren't flerfs not because of some consistent and intellectual analysis of data and scripture, but because being flerf is shameful and is ridiculed.
I had that discussion on FTFE's channel.
@@DapperDinosaur I tried to find that but didn't succeed. What's the title?
4:57 the usual answer IIRC is “it was locked in the fountains of the deep, which God opened up to initiate the flood.”
The question that then arises, though, is: where are these fountains now, and why can’t we find them today?
God sent the water to space to become comets.
I'll take "Vastness and Void" for $400, Alex.
"The last thing one might call the mind of Jeffrey Tompkins."
What is "The Deep," Alex!
*DING DING DING DING*
LOL
Your guest host was very informative and likable!
Thanks!
@@djbryant77 I second that!
Wow Octopus Dapper is looking good. Man you’re good at animation.
Thanks
"I didn't say it, he did" killed me 😂
Ha ha awesome
Dang, I had a relevant pithy thought to share but forgot it.
Oops
20:39 I don't know from where the phrase "race car speed tectonic" come from.
I've heard it from both Gutsick Gibbon and on this channel.
To get race car speed require Tomkins level math!
If we count from Pangea to rougly todays continents within a year, we get fairly comfortable hiking speed.
As in backpacking during the day, with food breaks, tenting overnight and continue the next day... you can even throw in some resting days!
If you look at the average hiking speed over the Appalachian trail or Pacific Crest Trail, they hike these trails faster than those continents needed to move!
Even if you count from Rodinia or even the Columbia super continent, you wouldn't get much more than an average cyclist speed.
Of course... technically a race car can travel those speeds too, at least some race cars.
Trying to keep a F1 car at those speeds would make it stop withing a very short time, they can't be driven that slowly!
It probably came from the Science Friends chat we're both in.
Interesting, according to Tomkin’s argument the crust should be in equilibrium with the mantle.
He must have had a big problem with his thermal properties of materials class
fun fact (maybe)
The Buoy you showed is:
Moored Buoy at 29.289 N 80.803 W (29°17'20" N 80°48'10" W)
LOL really? HAHAHA
Huh. I have it at 30.0771 N 88.7710 W
I think it would have been interesting to use the Null Island buoy. It's in the middle of nowhere coordinates are 0 0 where the Prime Meridian crosses the equator.
@@StarSong936 that would have been a really cool one to use. It just amuses me that Barel is hiding in the deep dark depths of just off of the coast of Florida.
Wow, just dox an abysmal horror on the Internet why don't you.
30:12 Well, if we disregard the explanations why part of the seafloor is fairly young, we can't explain it.
But then again, YEC can't explain why the seafloor is so old!
Regardless if both main stream science and YEC both have no explanation, some parts of the earth being only 4.5% of the total age is at least possible, even if we have no clue how this happened!
Some parts of the earth being roughly 33.000 times as old as the creation of the universe is absolutely impossible!
Good point
Thanks, Dapper! Another enjoyable debunking.
Glad you enjoyed it
It's tempting to say, "First!" But that would be immature, so I won't.
I wouldn't mind.
It's a temptation I've avoided the one chance I had. Gave me a little internal boost though.
It’s ok to be immature. Life’s too short.
9:13 Humans can not breath under water? Since when someone is getting a Nobel Prize for this discovery. On a side note can a Dinosaur or a squid get a Nobel Prize? Or are only humans allowed to receive such an award?
I don't know if there are species rules for Nobel Prizes.
Human beings can't breathe water.
33:28 you know you're totally not a pseudoscience when you have to randomly distance yourself from pseudoscience unprompted
EDIT: oh NVM he was saying that bc he was about to talk about the land being flat and he didn't want to be misunderstood. Still an incredibly wild thing to lead with though
The whole thing is wild.
Given that both of these men are professional liars with absolutely no qualifications doesn't help.
You are correct, it does not.
41:50 The infinite mud glitch?
Lol yes
Wonder if they ever considered the flood story as a biblical interpretation of evolution ?
I doubt it.
Speaking of the sea, that reminds me of the joke.
What is a pirate's favorite letter?
R
@DapperDinosaur see, you would think it's R but it isn't, it's the C. They love the C.
200 million years is the oldest sea floor material has been dated.
But that's not how old the oceans are.
I’ve only directly witnessed 46 earth years, but I’d wager the whole is a tad older.
@@sjl197 Actually, it was all created last Tuesday.
I expected the time units in this video to be Galactic Standard Weeks
Vendorians care not for galactic standards!!
1:17 somewhere on ocean, which ocean? I am hoping Pacific Ocean
That's classified
This guy is trying to put me to sleep. Good thing it's almost bedtime here.
Bed is so nice
Barrel sounds suspiciously like Dapper.
Coincidence
Dapper Dinosaur has a guest host, a Magnificent Mollusk!
Technically he's an alien, but he sure does seem like a mollusk.
The 200 MY age is for the Atlantic specifically.
Only one of several oceans
Why do Dapper and Beryl have the same voice? Is that an effect of the universal translator used to translate the squid-speak into English?
Yup the UT used me a a template.
Somehow it's still surprising to me how willing they are to just lie about things.
Me too. I'm continually disappointed with them.
I am in love with Hentai Dapper, I mean Barrel.
LOL I would never do anything untoward with my tendrils.
I liked this video, and I enjoyed your alien buddy. He can come back any time.
Glad you enjoyed
A slight nitpick. The Fresh Prince is not named William. That's the name of a non-fresh prince. Mr. Smith is actually Willard Smith.
Wait....
REALLY???
@@DapperDinosaur Look it up!
BARREL!
*Berrol
🥳
Enjoy
Got some shape of water going on!
As long as no one ends up in a secret American lab.
21:22 these guys are so bad communicators (in my opinion allegedly) it actually looks like they're frozen for several seconds! At this point, cardboard cutouts would have been better
They need a better editor. I've said it before.
Pibblepunk was first. 😊
lol
Well, the hydrogen in the ocean is almost as old as the universe. The oxygen is a little bit younger than that. and the water they make up started to rain out of the atmosphere once the crust of the earth cooled down enough to allow for liquid water. Is that a close enough guestimate?
Deplorable ilk. Well, turn about is fair play I guess. I've done that sort of thing myself so I'm not really one to talk. That being said, I think they are more deserving of the name ilk than you, Erika, Dave, Aron or most that I spend my days with on YT. Though, I think Sir Sic would take it as flattery.
@39:49 Tell me you don't understand geology without saying you don't understand geology. I gather these people don't believe that subduction is a thing that recycles the crust of the planet.
The deplorable ilk is just in there a an inside joke!
@@DapperDinosaur Yes, I saw the video. 🙂
So it's true that life was seeded to the earth from alien octopus eggs?
I can neither confirm or deny
I suppose you have to give them some credit for their committment to the lie. I mean, i couldn't imagine saying this much stuff i know is just flat out nonsense whilst keeping a straight face.
It is impressive in a perverse kind of way.
Lying slapheads for Jesus is quite the niche.
Lol yes
@@DapperDinosaur "We evolved to have hair, and I don't have any. Checkmate Atheists"
Can someone please inject a bit of personality into Tomkins, never seen someone that is as lacking in everything as he is 😂
He's allergic, so no.
Is this a Vendorian cave-based morality test?
It's a water based morality test.
Oh Jeffrey, why do you always look like you’re caught in a lie?
Because he's usually lying. 🤥