The Atheist Experience 713 with Matt Dillahunty, Jeff Dee, and Jen Peeples
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- The Atheist Experience 713 of June 12, 2011 with Matt Dillahunty, Jeff Dee and Jen Peeples. Matt and Jeff take viewer calls.
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:41- Intro & Announcements - Matt Dillahunty
3:12- Terry (theist): an original argument for the existence of God, logical absolutes break down at the beginning of the universe, any cause for the creation of the universe is plausible, doesn't actually believe the argument
11:38- Chase: are Christians like the Borg
19:07- Andrew (theist): asks how could energy and mass exist without space and time, God created the Big Bang
32:27- Evolved Atheist (Charlie from episode 710 and 712): claims the driving force for many atheists is helping gays, opposes gay marriage
49:41- Christopher (atheist): Christians lying for Jesus
53:58- Sam (atheist): the legality of Alcoholics Anonymous, proselytizing at AA meetings
56:51- Brandon (atheist): says religion is sick
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3:12- Terry (theist): an original argument for the existence of God, logical absolutes break down at the beginning of the universe, any cause for the creation of the universe is plausible, doesn't actually believe the argument
11:38- Chase: are Christians like the Borg
19:07- Andrew (theist): asks how could energy and mass exist without space and time, God created the Big Bang
32:27- Evolved Atheist (Charlie from episode 710 and 712): claims the driving force for many atheists is helping gays, opposes gay marriage
49:41- Christopher (atheist): Christians lying for Jesus
53:58- Sam (atheist): the legality of Alcoholics Anonymous, proselytizing at AA meetings
56:51- Brandon (atheist): says religion is sick
“Born again” means fooled twice.
Ha,ha,never thought about it like that,agreed!
Instead of being born again, maybe these folks should just grow up.
34:47 - Matt's facepalm when he hears "hypo-thesis" is priceless!
The hosts' phone greeting should be: "Hello. Prepare to feel stupid."
Great to see Jeff again. He's the most mercilessly logical of the hosts and also a hell of a nerd.
29 minutes: "I can sit here all day and make shit up." I love it.
Exactly describes what all theorists do! Jeff is like a logic surgeon 😜
I literally started laughing out loud when that one caller said "hypothesis" XD
Jeff - "Hang up on this guy." I'm so with him
The sheer magnitude of EvolvedAtheist's stupidity is breath taking.
Bobby Duckett no way he's pure genius. He's up there with all the great geniuses like Barney Rubble and Patrick starr
a "hype-oh-thesus". Wow
How someone can live with this amount of stupidity is truly amazing. He might actually be G Man
Why is it that people who usually name themselves things like RationalAtheist, EvolvedAtheist, RationalConclusionist, and other things like that tend to be some of the most batshit crazy people I run across?
+Shane Wilson Or the "Family Research Council". Only THIS kinda family. And "research", if any at all, only deeper & deeper in THAT book. Or maybe more like the "Religious Freedom" thing. Name it for the opposite. Fool a bunch of the people a bunch of the time.
Bruce Baker Yeah I've noticed this too
Shane Wilson
I'm not making the positive claim that the emperor is naked. I'm saying that his clothing, if it exists, is transparent-ish.
Damn. Still a positive claim. Okay...not convinced by the evidence given so far in favour of the existence of his clothes.
Plus...since I can see something that looks like it would be the Imperial Willy...well, let's list that under "disconfirming input"
He's got a hypo-thesis.
I’m caca for cocopuffs
"I can sit here all day making shit up, that is exactly what your religion is..." Jeff is brilliant
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😮y
the law of bread and butter, the laws of gumballs, the laws of happy Gilmore, the laws of dunkin donuts. Just call everything a law why we're at it
Jeff and Matt look tired, and I don't mean "just got out of the hospital" tired, I mean emotionally tired from some callers.
They rock, I don't know how they do this and stay sane.
~ Eight years later, and only the panellists are worth the time! Still laughing at Andrew. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
"How can you have more than one fairy outside space and time?"
Man, he really debunked Matt's transcendent-universe-building fairy-collective theory with that. Obviously, it should have been only one fairy. Rookie mistake, Matt...
Jeff is so underrated on how to the point, simple and straightforwardly brutal his arguments are !!!!
31:40 ‘How can you have more than one faerie outside of space and time?’
Blahahaha!
I love it when the guys bring up, bigfoot, faries, pixies etc as these are all less powerful and more plausible by far than a god.
I had the biggest smile on my face when jeff called him out on just making shit up.
I have been sober for 10 years and I don't go to useless Alcoholics Anonymous meetings. The only thing my Alcoholics Anonymous Big Book was good for is starting campfires.
I'm so far from religion that I have to try and convince you by saying it over and over. Sure bud.
Matt "you talked all the way through that while i had your ass on hold?"
Lol that is so fucking hilarious.
Hypo-Thesis.......wow that's evolved....
This pronunciation was my nemonic device when it was a spelling word on an elementary school test. I have also pronounced it that way to be funny (trust me, I am quite hilarious), but this almost caused me to spit toothpaste all over the bathroom mirror.
Love the show. Its hilarious at the end where they're trying to hold still. Reminds me of police squad TV show LOL
"Evolved Atheist" has moved so far away from anything resembling rational thought that he makes no sense at all.
+rockcabbage I was talking about the content, not anything else. Fuck your racism.
+rockcabbage average colored, when were you born? ...you sound sarcastic though
He is sooooo evolved that he has gone back to being an amoeba.
Normally in these cases I would say that his baseless arrogance is only surpassed by his wilful ignorance... But in this case his superstitious bigotry surpasses all else...
It’s nice that Andrew complains about a cosmic Bigfoot being said to have physical properties like big feet. So I’m sure Andrew is equally upset about the Bible describing God’s nostrils and backside among many.
"I'm not cornered, you TOOL." ha ha... you tell him, Matt! ^^
"I'm so far away from religion as an atheist that I completely missed the point of what I claim to be."
(to the 1st caller) I am black, we are not all like this simpleton, he can't even put together a valid idea or sentence. I'm new to atheism and by logic I can't understand how one can be an atheist and adamantly oppose gay marriage (in which you have the freedom to do so) but it makes no sense or I should say reason. Like matt said if your against gay rights, its the equivalent to being against interracial marriage because the premise is that its wrong (even if they love each other) because of a predefined reason that's not subject to change or amendable.
I agree
Exactly
Actually he was the 3rd caller
This fellow regardless of his pigmentation has proven that simply because you identify as an atheist does in no way indicate that you are intelligent or understanding how to articulate a rational argument via critical thinking skills.
Chad K yes it is equivalent because the arguments against gay marriage are based on the same arbitrary, religious based prejudice with NO valid reason for prohibiting it. The act of inter-racial or gay marriage has no impact whatsoever on existing marriages with a religious foundation. Marriage initially tended to be a legal/political contract in order to protect a person’s or group’s assets as well as strengthen the power of a group through cohesion. The “idea” of marriage is defined by the culture, society and time period you live in. In the US religion is attempting to redefine and co-opt the institution simply in order to impose their values on others - marriage as defined in the Bible is quite different to how it is currently viewed in modern western cultures and even then a quick look in popular culture will highlight the lack of substance the Christian Right try to claim.
The success rate of AA and churches' ability to help addiction is only 1 person out of 1000 to refrain for over 5 years. I wouldn't call that success. I've tried 12 steps myself and found it promoted me to drink more, and that is because they continually talk about and make ME talk about something I love. It is destructive to most people, and I would argue that it drives people to abuse substances even harder down the road of "recovery". It needs to be dissolved and resources poured into the discovery of a better more efficient means. Peace ☮💜
Do "born again" Christians have 2 belly-buttons? XD
Yep, one on their belly and one between their buttcheeks
I won't watch a video that has the comment section closed.
At 19:20 the guy asks how can energy and mass (he meant matter) exist without space and time.
The photon is a 0 time particle. It doesn't exist within time, but yet we see light.
Energy can exist without space and time. Matter cannot exist without space and time.
What a lot of these callers don't realize is that before the big bang it's always said that there was nothing, but nothing to scientists is different than what other think nothing is.
Nothing to scientists are just all the components that make up the universe, all broken down with no laws or forces. But it's still something.
The question is, what is the nature of that nothing? :)
The big bang doesn't proclaim from nothing. It states that we can't go before plank time but a singularity best fits the model. Another note that yes it's the beginning of the universe but not the cosmos. Scientifically these terms are not interchangeable
Haha "I'm not cornered, you TOOL" epic
Louis Black Vs. Jeff Dee in a pissed-off contest.
The world would explode
33:49
Jeff Dee's reaction said everything that needed to be said.
Given power like they used to have, I think Christians would be a lot like the Borg.
Pat Doyle Actually if the Borg incorporated tactics that religion has used...they would have been more successful.
Despondencymusic
Good point! They would have had most people lining up to be assimilated!
Pat Doyle
Honey or vinegar :)
Certainly.
+Pat Doyle
And the Borg Queen would be the Pope?
The mind boggles...
Adam Mangler
You'd think - but she never wore a funny hat :-)
hahaha, Matt called the chatroom a CESSPOOL!!! Classic :D
Evo;ved Atheist needs to evolve his brain...
I love how Jeff holds that creepy smile starting at 58:17 lol
the first caller took all my patience and ran away with it.
This video is a little trippy with the weird feedback, the changing filters and all of a sudden Jeff appearing.
Oh my, Jeff and Matt arguing with that Evolved Atheist dullard? It's like christmas. An exasperated, irritable christmas. :D
jeff dee and matt d.
what more could we ask for?
was gonna' listen to it here... but rather going to download it to my ipod and listen to it while at work !! =)
That Borg guy sounds like he might be calling from a Borg Cube.
I'm loving that LONG pause at the end... talk about awkward silence :p
"I'm watching Michael Jackson thing right now." HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA
"Hypo-Thesis" ... Matt's facepalm was CLASSIC :D
@firefly4f4 I am interested in your group and wish to subscribe to your newsletter...
Pardon my ignorance, but this is the first time I heard of the zero-energy universe hypothesis. If the total energy of the universe is zero, how do we have matter? Or information?
You are correct in that the meaning is the same. However, consider the original Greek word, hypotithenai, is also one word. In English, when you split the term hypothesis into two words, even though it doesn't really change the meaning, it eliminates the normal placement of the stressed syllable, producing an awkward pronunciation that causes the speaker's message to be more difficult to comprehend. Example: notice how Jeff and Matt paused to clarify the word he had incorrectly pronounced.
I sympathize with Chase from Norman. The religious nutbags in Oklahoma forced me to flee. There is something very wrong with the "if you're not with me, I'm against you" attitude so many Christians actually live by.
Good to see you back Matt!
please, i want the shorts clips of good calls. the fuckin full episode i can watch it in ustream or blip
Have they talked about good old Rick Perry (governor of texas) doing that massive prayer day thing yet?
How is the Evolved Atheist at all evolved????
I Think-think-think-think that his-his-his doubling and tripling and quadrupling-quadrupling of-of-of his-his-his words must be-be-be-be proof of his-his evolvement....
o-o-o-o t-t-t-that ma-ma-ma-makes s-s-s-sense
In the macro world, causes certainly seem to be followed by effects.
However, in the micro world, the issue is in doubt. Feynman for instance, showed that cause and effect can be complicated by particles (like the electron) could also be _travelling backwards in time_ - the math is quite happy about both cases. Read his brilliant book: 'QED'.
Does Jeff Dee sound like a radio voice on one of the stations in grand theft auto? I can't remember which one I remember his voice from, either GTA 3 or GTA San Andreas. But, I'm almost certain I remember Jeff Dee's voice on one of the radio stations, while in a car, in one of those two games.
The feedback from caller two sounds like he's calling from a Borg starship !! haha
I looked it up, it's a generalization of logical principles of a mathematical structures (those of a Hilbert space) for describing quantum mechanics, I can't see how this can make you argue that not everything "'obeys' the 'laws of logic'".
@kroovyandcal Where did you get this understanding of the creation story in the Bible from?
@Falloutglitch This channel doesn't belong to the show. They have recognised the youtube channel though.
@Stealtht6 Is he seriously back for this episode? Jesus christ, I dunno if I can watch this episode -.-
Does anyone know what Christopher from Middleton, Oh's youtube channel is?
I don't think our first caller here thought her little "argument" all the way through before-hand.
@GoodAvatar Hehe, that last thing is a problem for me too ;) One grows so accustomed to forcing out definitions from and overclarifying to those people that when speaking to normal minds one easily makes a fool out of oneself.
"I'm not cournered you tool!!" LOL love that!
Love this show!
I'm sorry to go there, but its gonna bother me all day. What was going on with the lights? lol
I started LOLING when talking about Big Foot!
@namesameasu cont.
While the origin of this energy symmetry is yet unknown (remember the breakdown of GR) there are QM observations which show that energy can be borrowed from empty space temporarily creating both negative & positive energy which makes sense when dealing with the extremely small (perhaps this might include singularities) due to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle.
58:17 OMG Jeff is Trollface!
@Tcrowaf I think I misunderstood your first message, I thought you were arguing against interracial marriage.
In the first ep he called in they mentioned the "strong man phallacy" and he just never understood what that actually is.
I wonder if during the first 5 minutes of this show, the people in the control booth were thinking "Well, this caller isn't making any sense. We might as well take this time to test the blue screen!"
Does anyone know what happened to Matt? He said he'd been 'under the weather' then said he'd had a medical emergency and been in the ER at the weekend.
Hope it's nothing too serious, the world needs Matt Dillahunty.
That first caller was totally not understandable. What a tough show - weird callers, tech stuff going wrong, lights going out. Thanks for holding it together guys.
LOL "Bigfoot doesn't have feet, that's a common misconception"
Well played Jeff, well played.
Jeff is fucking brilliant! "This is what happens when you use logic within your brain, disconnected from reality" lol
This probably was the episode with the most stupid callers ever. Matt and Jeff could just be facepalming every 5 minutes!
Kind of funny, in a sense... =D
Observation of cosmic inflation only proves that the physical universe was smaller in the past, not that it exploded from a singularity and hyper-inflated.
He was playing Tetris (I think while watching the show) and the blocks formed into a cross.
People worry about the origin of space time and energy but don't care where God gets his stuff. They just say it's his nature. Where did God's nature come from ? Always been there ? Very convenient.
@Jahkillian I know that in the past marriage was a ceremony often only available to the "higher class" and the marriage was used usually for political reasons, but we no longer live in those times, do me a favor, go ask a married couple why they are married, I guarantee their answer will be "Because we love each other.".
Christmas didn't involve santa, Easter didn't involve a rabbit giving chocolate eggs, what it was and what it's become are two completely different things.
I swear, the hosts of ACA are the masters of patience of the universe..ever.
I really do not have the patience to suffer these fools (yes Andrew, I am talking about you) with anywhere near the good graces displayed by Jeff and Matt.
@rocketdave: His use of those terms reminds me of a kid who has just found a box full of crayons and starts painting the walls.
they should just take his call everytime and hang up after 5 seconds of him saying hello
The caller at 37:00 is the best.. This show is so entertaining. lol
the guy at the end was totally worth sitting through this.
he was playing Tetris while watching the ACA, and the blocks formed a perfect cross!
last seconds of the show were epic:)
13:13 Yes you can Matt, read 1984.
@fraserhopewell
Perhaps, it is kind of strange, since Matt says "Terry, in Amherst", and the largest Amherst is in Massachusetts and there's one in TX, but not MD. Maybe it's her last name and Matt misread it. I dunno. Either way, listening to it again now, I still want to pull my hair out while waiting for her to get the words out of her mouth.
Sometimes Jeff looks like the Karl Childers character in the movie, Slingblade.
I want to know why Matt was in the ER, and why Jeff was late.
Thank you Atheist Experience for the free show, and uploading the videos to a site other than ustream. Ustream blows!
In the words of Edwin Hubble... "Not until the empirical resources are exhausted, need we pass on to the dreamy realms of speculation.” The initial expansion of our LOCAL universe may have been the origin of space and time for our LOCAL observable universe (our bubble if you will). It says nothing of the state of matter, energy, or time outside of (or prior to) the origin of our LOCAL observable universe. There are certainly unknowns (perhaps yet to be discovered properties) relating to the current model. No need to insert supposition here.
haha I love how during EvolvedAtheist call Jeff kept saying over and over "I beg you, get rid of him"
I can hear Transformers in the backround sound transforming.
I just watched this in 2024. Just last year i learned about an atheist prison inmate who finally won a case against a Bible belt state which had denied his application for parole 3 times because he wouldn't attend a Christian based 12 step program. States are STILL pulling that crap, and forcing people into AA and NA programs.