Great video. I was in the same location on 15 Sep after 9 days of gloomy weather in NYC. Several other photographers had the same idea. I wanted to go over the fence, but nobody else had and I assumed they knew the police would probably come by and move them out. It would have been the best location. This is one of my shots. The posts are too strong in the foreground I think. instagram.com/p/BnxmFiRnAzb/
Attilio, I was very happy to see this comparison of these two cameras. I also have a D810 and the 20mm f/1.8G lens, and don't feel any need to upgrade to the D850 to be able to get better results.
Hello Attilio, i saw this video maybe one year ago. I decided to visit New York at the end of summer. I remember that you showed pictures in old pier one and i checked your D810 parameters to try by myself ! Thanks a lot for all your videos. As you can see, these are always so interesting many years after. I hope that you are well and everything goes well for you ! You missed us ! Have a nice day ! Joël
Seeing the side by side images here truly emphasizes the superiority of the 20mm lens you use. There's quite a dramatic contrast between the 20mm and the 24-70 at 24mm. I have a 16-35mm lens and your demonstration makes me second guess my purchase. With your 20mm lens one must use their legs to frame a composition though, something I'm not always able to do being a paraplegic confined to a wheelchair. Anyway, I always find your videos interesting and appreciate the effort you put into making them.
There are a few variables that may have affected the final image quality. First they were shot on two very different lens. One is a zoom lens while the other is a prime lens. I think you should of shoot the same photos on the same spot with the same lens but only change out the camera body to be fair. Also, I don't believe a 120 second exposure shot is a good way to compare sharpness between cameras let alone on two very different lens. Another problem is you didn't zoom in to the same resolution. That's another reason the photo on the right looks sharper because it is not zoom in as much as the D850 file. Sorry, I just don't feel this is a good test to compare these two cameras.
Great video..............There are only a very few cameras that can match the image quality of the D810. I want to clear this up for any new photographers that is looking to spend a little over $2000 on a new camera . Even tho the D810's design is a few years old now it is still one of the top 3 or 4 cameras if you are interested in image quality . If you are a photographer looking for image quality and only have around $2000 to spend, the D810 is the only camera to buy . The New micro 4/3's cameras by Olympus, Panasonic and the new APSC cameras by Fuji and Sony can not even come close to the capabilities of the D810 in low light and image quality . The D850 and the Sony A7R3 are better cameras but 90% of the general public could never tell the difference between a photo taken with a D850 and a D810 . Canon still has not made a better image quality camera than the D810 and they have released 4 new cameras sence the D810 was released.
Yes, and that sucks, because now what do I do with my 6D, 7D, 100mm macro f2.8, 17-40mm f4.0, 28-135mm f3.5-5.6, 70-200mm f4.0 (an awesome one), 100-400 f4.5-5.6, 40mm f2.8 pancake, 10-18mm, 2 Rokinon lenses for Canon mount, flashes, cables, and I must forget some. I'd loose so much money resseling the stuff (and that is if it sells) that all I could buy from the D810 would probaly be the body cap. And if I buy a used D810 there'll soon be more dust on my Canon stuff than in the Mojave desert. Any solution ?.. Also when William mention a "very few" camera that can match, they probably don't in price, since he probably thinks high end Haselblad (pleonasm), Mamiya, Leica...
Hi Attilio, great video. I know obviously you have your d810 and so would naturally prefer to use it above all else, but have you ever used an APS-C camera for your landscape photography? For example your G85? I'm just interested as I am 100% totally new to photography and have just bought a canon 800d (T7i). I opted for this camera because it's a relatively inexpensive option and I plan to use it as an all rounder, i.e. video and stills. Obviously there are drawbacks to a cropped sensor, but is it still possible to get good landscape images? Cheers.
Thanks David, and yes it is possible to take good pictures with a cropped sensor camera. At the same time, I always use my d810 for photography and keep the g85 just for my videos... :-)
I love my 810!!! Definitely a game changer for me. I have taken approximately 10,000 pictures and well over 9500 of them were just stunning!! I had thought about upgrading to the 850 but I think I'm going to stick with the 810. I can't wait for the 900
Ciao Attilio, complimenti per le foto! Stupende! Ma come si fa a capire quanto esporre a destra se l'istogramma che mostra la camera si riferisce al jpeg e non al file RAW? Quanto margine in più abbiamo prima di clippare davvero le alte luci?
Just out of curiosity why do you use F8 rather than something like F16 to get more depth of field? Can you discuss the thoughts on when you choose aperture and do you use aperture priority?
Another great video! Recent subscriber to your channel and enjoying every episode. You gave a very calming way of speaking and explaining things. Keep up the great videos.
A lovely video with a great friend and some helpful tips thank you. The surprise photo shot in the middle looked amazing, thank you for your time and effort.
Attilio, Thanks for your like on my other comment. And as always, thanks for your videos that make many progress and embrace your vision. Now a quick question, but I don't know if you know the first box, I'm into milky way photography (but in LA so heck of a drive to start to see the sky), and as much as I'll probably end up ditching for a used D810 at some point for lanscape, my 2 Canon bodies and 5/7 grand invested in canon glass over the years kind of backs me up. Nevertheless, being into milky way stuff, I wanted to know if you had an opinion between the A7S from Sony with its mere 12mpx but a true noise beast and supposedly very good at night stuff, or if you can really get as good with a D810, which having more pixels density might be prone to more noise. I'm pretty sure the D810 is best or better in most other regards but here it's a specific type of photography, and noise is the key, as I'm not in star tracking yet and mainly work with single exposures or short stacks in Sequator. My 6D so far, for ok it's supposed to be with noise could not rival the A7S I think, and on top of it it has the infamous low pass filter, which both the D810 and A7s beautifully don't have. Also, does the D810 sensor heat fast ? 6D is bad on that adding so much more noise pretty fast. Any tip on all that ?.. Completely aside, a word on Pizza quickly. Weren't you surprised in U.S. (well at least in Ca, I don't know for East coast) to go to a pizzeria and never find on the table the spicy oil made available readilly in Europe pizzerias ? Here you just get the red pepper seeds dry most of the time (Really, but what can I do with that ? It doesn't bring the instant flavor burst the oil brings) I'm lucky though, the Italian restaurant I go to knows me now and friendly do some in the back kitchen (heating those seeds in olive oil) for me each time I order Pizza, but I found curious not to see it anywhere here. Did you see any ?.. I found some imported at "Bay Cities", an italian deli in Santa Monica, so at least I have some at home, but it's funny how food culture travels, and loose or gain some on the way sometime...
Bellissime foto. Preferisco l'accoppiata D810 con ottica 20mm f1.8. Una domanda, ma quando fai le lunghe esposizioni con superfici come acqua, per esempio, usi anche un polarizzatore oltre al ND, o solo ND? Ciao Attilio
Thanks for the video - as usually very interesting. I use both D810 and D850 - I find the blacklit sensor on the D850 makes quite a difference especially in low light. I do a lot of night work where there is a very wide dynamic range and much prefer to work with the D850 as it produces significantly cleaner images on a like by like basis. With the right lens the D850 produces sharper images with less colour bleed than the D810 as well if you like to view at 100%.
hi sir . im new to filters and i have have read that you only can grad filters with a clear horizon .did you go far above the buildings with the grad ? i love to buy the grad but if i can only can use it with a clear and straigt horizon than it is no ussable for me . thank you and i love your work and vids .
I think you should have used your 24-70 lens as well for a true reading of both cameras. 20mm Nikon lens is one of the best quality lens Nikon make. But that been said it's not worth upgrading to the D850 but there are other features on the D850 that people might want to upgrade for. Thanks for vlog and look forward to your next one
You used 120 sec exposure now? Just wondering, what would be the difference is you would have used 60 sec and adjusted your ND filter to that. Would it make much difference? (I’m new to this). Or you could also say, what’s the preferred shutter speed to dial in with your ND filter?
Hi Attilio, Thank you for the great videos you produce. The two cameras are really close to each other when it comes to the image quality. One needs to consider the effect of downsizing the 45 MP image into e.g., a 36 MP one, as that gives an improvement in both noise and sharpness. When you then compare the output of the two cameras, all things being equal (including the lens and filters) except the camera bodies, the image from the D850 shall be a bit sharper and possibly a touch less noisy, especially if you need to lift shadows a bit. I can however only imagine that such is very rarely needed on modern Nikon cameras (myself shooting a Canon 5DsR, which gives me a nice deal more noise in the shadows). One thing that made me wonder a bit was the fact that you didn't use custom color profiles for the combination of your cameras, lenses and filters. That would eliminate pretty much all color cast from any of these. A very handy and cheap tool to doing this is the X-Rite ColorChecker Passport (there are more products like that). If I was to start with photography today, that would likely be the first thing I would buy after a camera, lens and a tripod. A step further then is making custom ICC profiles, e.g., using Lumariver. In my experience, the combination of Capture One and Lumariver really blows away using just Lightroom and ColorChecker - and done properly, I also find it to effectively extend the dynamic range compared to my old Lightroom workflow.
@@AttilioRuffo Do you think the upgrade is worth it? concerning detail and sharpnes. Thats the only thing I´m not completely satisfied with the d700 in landscape photos
I enjoyed the video, my son who lives in Brazil is coming to visit us in September. My wife shared the video, he is an excellent photographer and I would like to visit this spot. I cant remember this locations name, can you share this spots location. I hope you make your haida vs Lee filter video soon. Thanks
I feel exactly as you do Attilio, I mentioned in your video when you changed your mind and had your 810 returned I thought also about the 850, but as you have just proved the difference is negligible. I get beautiful 36x24 inch prints from the 810 and could easily go much bigger, they are super cameras, they were fantastic just before the 850 came out and nothing has changed. Keep up the good work and if you ever get over here to Bonnie Scotland give me a shout.
Hi Attilio, excellent comparison about the cameras. I want to know the exact location where you took this beautiful photos. I will be in NYC next January and I really want to (try) recreate. Congrats.
Do yourself a favour and don't do what I did... I was perfectly happy, more than happy, with my D810 and all my lenses I used with it. Creating gorgeous images, to this day I still look at and go wow! But then I got caught up with all the hype about the D850; what a fantastic camera it is - all that bollocks. So I sold my 810 and bought myself a D850. And you know what?? The instant I started looking at the images I took with the thing in Lightroom it was an instant REGRET! My favourite lenses I loved using with the D810 were looking worse! The 850 was out-rendering my lenses that were working perfectly fine before. It shown imperfections in the corners that were perfectly sharp all the way to the corners with the D810. I am picky about things like that, it's just the way I am. It would had meant I would have had to sell all my lenses and spend even more money getting new lenses to work better with the thing. Getting rid of lenses I was perfectly happy with before and spending god knows what on other lenses on top of what I already forked out for the camera! In the end I ended up selling the 850 and getting another 810, losing money in the process. NOW I'm happy with my images again, but lost hundreds of pounds finding all this out. There was no way I would had sold my lenses too! I lost money, but I would had spent more money getting new lenses for that thing! The point I'm getting at, if you already have an 810, seriously think twice about "upgrading" it to an 850, because if you are happy with the images you are getting out the 810, there is no point AT ALL in getting the 850! No point whatsoever! Don't do what I did and instantly regret it and lose money. Rant over :)
Attilio buona-sera, one thing comes to mind when comparing these two cameras which I am also using the D-810, you should have borrowed the camera of your friend and attached your lens and taken a shot with it then you might notice a difference. But also if you guys where shooting later into the evening and compared the noise level of the two cameras that might have given you another example. I read on line and here on You-tube some people complain the noise in the D-850 but I know from experience that my D-810 camera has a limitation that I would not go over ISO-800 to get a clean image, and that is also dependent on good glass that transmits more light. I also watched the video you posted using the 20-mm prime and I am thinking of purchasing that lens as well. You create some excellent images with your current setup and it is more than adequate if you are happy, it is what counts. By the way I am looking forward to buy the D-750 because of the weight issues which is lighter and its low light capabilities, good auto-focus and the tilting screen. Noise is something that I detest in images, I prefer a smaller file and a clean one. have you tried the D-750 by any chance? I would like to know your opinion if you can, if not no problem. Cheers.
I own the D750 since January and LOVE it so much. I couldn't afford the D810 at the time and the D850 had not come out yet. It allows me to do so much!!
Hi sir I have trouble reading the right shutterspeed on my D800 together with a ND app the app has different scale or numbers than the nikon. Nikon is 1 2 3 4 than 1.5 als 10 20 30 and so on but the nd ap had different values that is a bummer becouse I have no idee what time to set. For the right exposure with a nd filter. All the apps have the same time measurement but why it is not the same with the camera what is than the purpose of the apps..
yes, can happen, but with my other dslr Canon 70D in same shot with same settings (30" ISO 1600) I've 3 hot pixels and with the d850 100/120 hot pixel with LNR on And high iso NR norm but since 8" ISO1600 the d850 present that hot pixels and change position shot by shot. I've sent DSRL the third day for sensor remap and anything was change. now the DSL is to LTR Service (official Italy) and they don't tell me anything about.
Fantastic. Very clear and informative. Love those N.Y City scenes. I am looking to buy my first full frame dslr. Having previously used film for Years. I have never been able to adjust to the magnification increase when attached to my old AiS Lens with the DX format sensor. I mostly enjoy landscape, seascape and coastal photography. My budget is modest, and your film has helped me make my decision. Thank You Attilio Ruffo.
@@AttilioRuffo I shall definitely check out further films made by you Guys. I cannot Thank You Enough for this one. Best Regards and May You have a most memorable and truly pleasurable Holiday season. Charles from Cornwall U.K
When I use the similar ND filters with D800 or D850 for long exposure shots, I get a color cast in the centre of the image. How come you don't face the same problem? Which brand of filters do you use?
I have both cameras and just got the d850. The d850 has the latest greatest af which I was needing for what I do . But other than that so far as image quality I’m not seeing a big difference. It seems the color from the d850 is different and I like it . I also have the d500 and the d850 in usability for faster action type photography is a good match and button layout is the same . I love all three cameras.
I did an evening landscape comparison between my D800e and D850 some time ago, using the same lens from the same position. The resulting files were very close indeed. The convenience of the tilt screen was great, and I have had more success with my wildlife photography with the D850, with it's better AF and 7fps frame rate. IQ wise, big difference on paper, but extremely minimal in the real world of landscape and portrait shooting...in my opinion.
What noise are you expecting at 64 ISO? The D850 image looks like movement, very blurry. I had both, the D850 is just amazing. Its a few steps above the already stellar D810
Made me laugh...'what time do we start clicking' lol.Ive had the D810 for 3 years now and no thoughts about changing it. The only reason I would change is the weight of the Lens and Camera is becoming an issue as I get older. Hard to carry around on long distance treks. Great video, thanks
Nice comparison. I have two D810s and was thinking of selling one to upgrade to a D850. After watching this, l will stick with these D810s. What do you think of the new mirrorless? Is it worth an upgrade from D810?
with focus peaking you dont even need to bend you can see standing up at a low profile in live view if in focus .. from a distance :). yes you are 100% correct sir teh D850 is way superior to the D810 its no contest, you need to use the same lenses to see how great this camera is.
Ciao Attilio, loved your video, keep them coming. I too have the Nikon D810 coupled up with the Nikon 20mm 1.8 for landscapes ! Absolutely brilliant results as you know yourself ! I’ll be keeping the D810 for quite some time still. Anyway looking forward to seeing your next video ! Cheers Sam !
Attilio I think there is not difference between the 2 images as you mentioned. I want to upgrade mi D750 perhaps for D850 but If I get a D810 I believe I will save some $$$$. Good contents as always 👍 BTW do you do some sorts of workshop? Will be cool
Thank you for this nice video... Glass talks. Here the D810 / 20mm f1.8 combinaison is a killer, very sharp, making look that 24-70mm like some basic kit lense, and showing that all things considered, glass is as, if not more, important than the camera for who wants tack sharpness and clarity. Prime lenses, at equal price vs zoom lenses, will often give you more for your money since, having less components, manufacturers put costier glass on these lenses. IQ from both camera show so little difference that I believe only redoing the test with the same glass/filter combinaison would show us if any, and at what level. The cooler white balance of D810 seems more true to colors and less "muddy" than the D850 shot. You mention it's the added ND3 SG. Since both have a big stopper otherwise, it's either not the same big stopper on the D850 or the white balance comes quiet different if both cameras are set on the same WB.
Complimenti Attilio per il canale e per i suoi contenuti,ti seguo in tutti i tuoi video. Per me la vincitrice e' la 810 con il 20mm purtroppo la D850 ha bisogno di ottiche che risolvono il tipo di sensore e a quanto pare il 24-70 non c'e' la fa.
Nice video, thanks for the efforts... it would be great next time when to compare use same lens in different camera body so the comparison will be much fare , good luck 👍🏻
Just found you a few days ago and love your channel. I own both and can say it was a want and not a need to get the D850 . This forum needs more honest and laid back Vbloggers as your self.
You should have named this video "20mm vs 24-70mm" instead. No way you can judge the difference between these two cameras with different lenses. And then on top of that you have filters on them. Nothing to compare here except which composition you like better.
Could you see any difference in the raw files???
Attilio Ruffo I couldn’t spot any difference with noise, only the sharpness.
Same here!
Great video. I was in the same location on 15 Sep after 9 days of gloomy weather in NYC. Several other photographers had the same idea. I wanted to go over the fence, but nobody else had and I assumed they knew the police would probably come by and move them out. It would have been the best location. This is one of my shots. The posts are too strong in the foreground I think. instagram.com/p/BnxmFiRnAzb/
Thanks mate and great shot! 👍
I don't see a difference between the two cameras except the sharpness
Attilio, I was very happy to see this comparison of these two cameras. I also have a D810 and the 20mm f/1.8G lens, and don't feel any need to upgrade to the D850 to be able to get better results.
Hello Attilio, i saw this video maybe one year ago. I decided to visit New York at the end of summer. I remember that you showed pictures in old pier one and i checked your D810 parameters to try by myself ! Thanks a lot for all your videos. As you can see, these are always so interesting many years after.
I hope that you are well and everything goes well for you ! You missed us ! Have a nice day ! Joël
New subscriber to Attilio's channel..... super video from start to finish.... Fabulous result too.... Grazie Mille.
Love your videos, both the technical advice and the subtle humour.
Thanks a lot Markus! I appreciate it...
Always enjoy your videos, the information that you give has helped me heaps thanks
Seeing the side by side images here truly emphasizes the superiority of the 20mm lens you use. There's quite a dramatic contrast between the 20mm and the 24-70 at 24mm. I have a 16-35mm lens and your demonstration makes me second guess my purchase. With your 20mm lens one must use their legs to frame a composition though, something I'm not always able to do being a paraplegic confined to a wheelchair. Anyway, I always find your videos interesting and appreciate the effort you put into making them.
Thanks a lot Stephen, also the bigger sensore possibly needs a sharper lens!
There are a few variables that may have affected the final image quality. First they were shot on two very different lens. One is a zoom lens while the other is a prime lens. I think you should of shoot the same photos on the same spot with the same lens but only change out the camera body to be fair. Also, I don't believe a 120 second exposure shot is a good way to compare sharpness between cameras let alone on two very different lens. Another problem is you didn't zoom in to the same resolution. That's another reason the photo on the right looks sharper because it is not zoom in as much as the D850 file. Sorry, I just don't feel this is a good test to compare these two cameras.
Great video..............There are only a very few cameras that can match the image quality of the D810. I want to clear this up for any new photographers that is looking to spend a little over $2000 on a new camera . Even tho the D810's design is a few years old now it is still one of the top 3 or 4 cameras if you are interested in image quality . If you are a photographer looking for image quality and only have around $2000 to spend, the D810 is the only camera to buy . The New micro 4/3's cameras by Olympus, Panasonic and the new APSC cameras by Fuji and Sony can not even come close to the capabilities of the D810 in low light and image quality . The D850 and the Sony A7R3 are better cameras but 90% of the general public could never tell the difference between a photo taken with a D850 and a D810 . Canon still has not made a better image quality camera than the D810 and they have released 4 new cameras sence the D810 was released.
Exactly! 👍
Yes, and that sucks, because now what do I do with my 6D, 7D, 100mm macro f2.8, 17-40mm f4.0, 28-135mm f3.5-5.6, 70-200mm f4.0 (an awesome one), 100-400 f4.5-5.6, 40mm f2.8 pancake, 10-18mm, 2 Rokinon lenses for Canon mount, flashes, cables, and I must forget some. I'd loose so much money resseling the stuff (and that is if it sells) that all I could buy from the D810 would probaly be the body cap. And if I buy a used D810 there'll soon be more dust on my Canon stuff than in the Mojave desert. Any solution ?.. Also when William mention a "very few" camera that can match, they probably don't in price, since he probably thinks high end Haselblad (pleonasm), Mamiya, Leica...
William Blackwell - well someone could say that the Pentax K1 is just as good for landscape, if not better ;-)
I just purchased a D810 for under $1100, almost new! I definitely agree, this is the best camera to get for someone who's looking to spend 1-2k
@@gryphongryph The K1 uses the same sensor so they are about the same .
what a great comparison video of two great cameras!
really enjoyed watching this
thanks for sharing this with us :D
thanks a lot!
i'M going to try that spot! it's worn out but it looks like a great spot! is that in Brooklyn?
Great video. Is "Nave Vespucci" the one you can see from 11:45 beyond the trees?
Grazie Alfio...non so se e' la Vespucci, sembra pero'!
Wonderful work Attilio
Thank you!
Its really good to see the difference between two cameras and different lenses, taking the same picture.Thank you. great video.
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Hi Attilo
Hope all is well. Can I ask which location is this? I am looking to visit for some photography.
Best
Ananf
Hi Attilio, great video. I know obviously you have your d810 and so would naturally prefer to use it above all else, but have you ever used an APS-C camera for your landscape photography? For example your G85? I'm just interested as I am 100% totally new to photography and have just bought a canon 800d (T7i). I opted for this camera because it's a relatively inexpensive option and I plan to use it as an all rounder, i.e. video and stills. Obviously there are drawbacks to a cropped sensor, but is it still possible to get good landscape images? Cheers.
Thanks David, and yes it is possible to take good pictures with a cropped sensor camera. At the same time, I always use my d810 for photography and keep the g85 just for my videos... :-)
The entire process experience is amazing but more sample pictures would be highly appreciated.
I love my 810!!! Definitely a game changer for me. I have taken approximately 10,000 pictures and well over 9500 of them were just stunning!! I had thought about upgrading to the 850 but I think I'm going to stick with the 810. I can't wait for the 900
It’s a great camera!
Ciao Attilio, complimenti per le foto! Stupende! Ma come si fa a capire quanto esporre a destra se l'istogramma che mostra la camera si riferisce al jpeg e non al file RAW? Quanto margine in più abbiamo prima di clippare davvero le alte luci?
Ciao Federico, grazie!
Mi sa che farò un video a riguardo... 👍
@@AttilioRuffo lo seguirò con molto interesse 😉
Attilio,
Thanks for the excellent video.
I learn from them. Please keep them coming.
Also, you and Laredo make a good team.
Please keep them coming.
Thanks Mike! Yes we will do more videos together... it’s a lot of fun!
Just out of curiosity why do you use F8 rather than something like F16 to get more depth of field? Can you discuss the thoughts on when you choose aperture and do you use aperture priority?
Check out my camera settings video... you will know why I love f/8 :-)
Where in New York is this?
Location please?
Brooklyn bridge park!
@@AttilioRuffo Thanks!
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I'm a crop sensor guy. Really considering the 810 for the price and you have shown the quality is superb. Thanks for comparing
It's a great pick! and now it has a very competitive price...
Another great video! Recent subscriber to your channel and enjoying every episode. You gave a very calming way of speaking and explaining things. Keep up the great videos.
Thanks a lot Tiago! I appreciate your feedback 🙏
A lovely video with a great friend and some helpful tips thank you. The surprise photo shot in the middle looked amazing, thank you for your time and effort.
Thanks my friend! :-)
Attilio, Thanks for your like on my other comment. And as always, thanks for your videos that make many progress and embrace your vision. Now a quick question, but I don't know if you know the first box, I'm into milky way photography (but in LA so heck of a drive to start to see the sky), and as much as I'll probably end up ditching for a used D810 at some point for lanscape, my 2 Canon bodies and 5/7 grand invested in canon glass over the years kind of backs me up. Nevertheless, being into milky way stuff, I wanted to know if you had an opinion between the A7S from Sony with its mere 12mpx but a true noise beast and supposedly very good at night stuff, or if you can really get as good with a D810, which having more pixels density might be prone to more noise. I'm pretty sure the D810 is best or better in most other regards but here it's a specific type of photography, and noise is the key, as I'm not in star tracking yet and mainly work with single exposures or short stacks in Sequator. My 6D so far, for ok it's supposed to be with noise could not rival the A7S I think, and on top of it it has the infamous low pass filter, which both the D810 and A7s beautifully don't have. Also, does the D810 sensor heat fast ? 6D is bad on that adding so much more noise pretty fast. Any tip on all that ?.. Completely aside, a word on Pizza quickly. Weren't you surprised in U.S. (well at least in Ca, I don't know for East coast) to go to a pizzeria and never find on the table the spicy oil made available readilly in Europe pizzerias ? Here you just get the red pepper seeds dry most of the time (Really, but what can I do with that ? It doesn't bring the instant flavor burst the oil brings) I'm lucky though, the Italian restaurant I go to knows me now and friendly do some in the back kitchen (heating those seeds in olive oil) for me each time I order Pizza, but I found curious not to see it anywhere here. Did you see any ?.. I found some imported at "Bay Cities", an italian deli in Santa Monica, so at least I have some at home, but it's funny how food culture travels, and loose or gain some on the way sometime...
Bellissime foto. Preferisco l'accoppiata D810 con ottica 20mm f1.8. Una domanda, ma quando fai le lunghe esposizioni con superfici come acqua, per esempio, usi anche un polarizzatore oltre al ND, o solo ND? Ciao Attilio
Grazie Francesco! Si a volte uso anche il polarizzatore....
Very interesting video for new photographer. Awesome!
Thank you
Amazing shoot..
You 2 are a match made in heaven, Thanks for the cool video
Thanks you, really! :-)
Thanks for the video - as usually very interesting. I use both D810 and D850 - I find the blacklit sensor on the D850 makes quite a difference especially in low light. I do a lot of night work where there is a very wide dynamic range and much prefer to work with the D850 as it produces significantly cleaner images on a like by like basis. With the right lens the D850 produces sharper images with less colour bleed than the D810 as well if you like to view at 100%.
Thanks Dave!
Thank you guys, now i know which one i should use..
Thanks!
hi sir . im new to filters and i have have read that you only can grad filters with a clear horizon .did you go far above the buildings with the grad ? i love to buy the grad but if i can only can use it with a clear and straigt horizon than it is no ussable for me . thank you and i love your work and vids .
I use ND grad also when the horizon is not perfectly clear...
@@AttilioRuffo thank you for your information. Going to buy a nisi grad. I also have a nisi natural night filter.. Realy awesome.
Nice video Attilio and great pictures.
Grazie Alfredo!
Super fun video thank you
Do you find that you do more work in the camera than in Post?
that's my goal...
I think you should have used your 24-70 lens as well for a true reading of both cameras. 20mm Nikon lens is one of the best quality lens Nikon make. But that been said it's not worth upgrading to the D850 but there are other features on the D850 that people might want to upgrade for. Thanks for vlog and look forward to your next one
Thanks Terry and yes we should’ve swapped lenses... :-)
You used 120 sec exposure now? Just wondering, what would be the difference is you would have used 60 sec and adjusted your ND filter to that. Would it make much difference? (I’m new to this). Or you could also say, what’s the preferred shutter speed to dial in with your ND filter?
Possibly in this image, the main difference would be in the clouds movement...
Excellent video.I own the D810...Makes a lot of sense not going nuts everytime a new gear or camera comes out. Investing in *glass* is a wise decision
Thanks Arturo!
You've learnt something from this video ....lol really? This video wastes peoples time....nothing more than that!
Hi Attilio, Thank you for the great videos you produce. The two cameras are really close to each other when it comes to the image quality. One needs to consider the effect of downsizing the 45 MP image into e.g., a 36 MP one, as that gives an improvement in both noise and sharpness. When you then compare the output of the two cameras, all things being equal (including the lens and filters) except the camera bodies, the image from the D850 shall be a bit sharper and possibly a touch less noisy, especially if you need to lift shadows a bit. I can however only imagine that such is very rarely needed on modern Nikon cameras (myself shooting a Canon 5DsR, which gives me a nice deal more noise in the shadows). One thing that made me wonder a bit was the fact that you didn't use custom color profiles for the combination of your cameras, lenses and filters. That would eliminate pretty much all color cast from any of these. A very handy and cheap tool to doing this is the X-Rite ColorChecker Passport (there are more products like that). If I was to start with photography today, that would likely be the first thing I would buy after a camera, lens and a tripod. A step further then is making custom ICC profiles, e.g., using Lumariver. In my experience, the combination of Capture One and Lumariver really blows away using just Lightroom and ColorChecker - and done properly, I also find it to effectively extend the dynamic range compared to my old Lightroom workflow.
Thanks for your comment! 👍
Attillio I am a Nikon D750 user and have been thinking to switch to Sony system..maybe get an A7 iii. Your thoughts on that please?
I am not a big fan of Sony’s user interface...
can anyone guide me, please... at 8:10 is it like a raw footage or using Adobe applications to enhance the images?
Great advise... Thanks Attilio
Thanks 🙏
Entertaining and Informative, what more can you ask from a video. Also love love the music. Complementi!!
Awwwww grazie Michelle
To which camera would you upgrade from the D700? I'm doing mostly landscape and portrait photography
Either the D810 or D850...
@@AttilioRuffo thanks!
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@@AttilioRuffo Do you think the upgrade is worth it? concerning detail and sharpnes. Thats the only thing I´m not completely satisfied with the d700 in landscape photos
I think it is a good step forward...
Where is this place in NYC? How to navigate to this place? Much thanks.
Brooklyn bridge park!
Attilio Ruffo thanks a lot. Just saw your channel by chance and I do like your videos about landscape photography. 👍🏻
Thanks Dan!
Which version of the 24-70 was Laredo using? (Sorry if this was stated and I missed it)
It’s not the newest version...
Attilio Ruffo thanks.
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Thanks for your videos, I enjoy them and find knowledge, inspiration and ideas for moving forward in my photography.
Thanks a lot!
I enjoyed the video, my son who lives in Brazil is coming to visit us in September. My wife shared the video, he is an excellent photographer and I would like to visit this spot. I cant remember this locations name, can you share this spots location. I hope you make your haida vs Lee filter video soon.
Thanks
Thanks! this is Brooklyn Bridge park, and yes the Haida vs Lee Filters video is coming soon...
@@AttilioRuffo thanks enjoy Yellowstone, plenty to see and photograph there and that's an understatement.
@@shawnboisclair3696 thank you!
Great video, I watch all your videos Thanks, I have a d7100 is that good for long exposures
Thanks. Yes you can use he d7100 for le...
very nice video Attilo.... definitly i need filters. your pictures were amazing,,, I love that sky colors.
Thanks Victor!
I feel exactly as you do Attilio, I mentioned in your video when you changed your mind and had your 810 returned I thought also about the 850, but as you have just proved the difference is negligible.
I get beautiful 36x24 inch prints from the 810 and could easily go much bigger, they are super cameras, they were fantastic just before the 850 came out and nothing has changed.
Keep up the good work and if you ever get over here to Bonnie Scotland give me a shout.
Thanks mate! I would love to visit your land, I haven’t been there yet, so hopefully soon!
Hello sir, can I use nikkor 18-140 f3.5-5.6 with nikon D850?
When you do your long exposures. Do you have any problems with hot pixels and inte that case how do you deal with them?
Not really!
@@AttilioRuffo Crap. I get a ton of noise and a good portion hot pixels when doing long exposures
What camera do you use?
Sadly not a 800-series nikon. It's a fuji x-t1. Should be able to handle 8 minute exposures but seems difficult.
Got it...
Thank you so much, for such a wonderful video upload! I was in fact thinking for an upgrade from D810! Now I know! Thanks a lots! Regards.
Thanks mate!
Attilio, per questa foto dove avevi messo a fuoco?
Sui pali, a circa un terzo della scena...
Hi Attilio, excellent comparison about the cameras. I want to know the exact location where you took this beautiful photos. I will be in NYC next January and I really want to (try) recreate. Congrats.
Thanks, we were at the Brooklyn Bridge Park...
Do yourself a favour and don't do what I did... I was perfectly happy, more than happy, with my D810 and all my lenses I used with it. Creating gorgeous images, to this day I still look at and go wow! But then I got caught up with all the hype about the D850; what a fantastic camera it is - all that bollocks. So I sold my 810 and bought myself a D850. And you know what?? The instant I started looking at the images I took with the thing in Lightroom it was an instant REGRET! My favourite lenses I loved using with the D810 were looking worse! The 850 was out-rendering my lenses that were working perfectly fine before. It shown imperfections in the corners that were perfectly sharp all the way to the corners with the D810. I am picky about things like that, it's just the way I am. It would had meant I would have had to sell all my lenses and spend even more money getting new lenses to work better with the thing. Getting rid of lenses I was perfectly happy with before and spending god knows what on other lenses on top of what I already forked out for the camera! In the end I ended up selling the 850 and getting another 810, losing money in the process. NOW I'm happy with my images again, but lost hundreds of pounds finding all this out. There was no way I would had sold my lenses too! I lost money, but I would had spent more money getting new lenses for that thing! The point I'm getting at, if you already have an 810, seriously think twice about "upgrading" it to an 850, because if you are happy with the images you are getting out the 810, there is no point AT ALL in getting the 850! No point whatsoever! Don't do what I did and instantly regret it and lose money. Rant over :)
Yes Laredo’s enthusiasm is contagious, ha ha. Ciao
I know... :-)
Attilio buona-sera, one thing comes to mind when comparing these two cameras which I am also using the D-810, you should have borrowed the camera of your friend and attached your lens and taken a shot with it then you might notice a difference. But also if you guys where shooting later into the evening and compared the noise level of the two cameras that might have given you another example. I read on line and here on You-tube some people complain the noise in the D-850 but I know from experience that my D-810 camera has a limitation that I would not go over ISO-800 to get a clean image, and that is also dependent on good glass that transmits more light. I also watched the video you posted using the 20-mm prime and I am thinking of purchasing that lens as well.
You create some excellent images with your current setup and it is more than adequate if you are happy, it is what counts. By the way I am looking forward to buy the D-750 because of the weight issues which is lighter and its low light capabilities, good auto-focus and the tilting screen. Noise is something that I detest in images, I prefer a smaller file and a clean one. have you tried the D-750 by any chance? I would like to know your opinion if you can, if not no problem. Cheers.
Incredible work and very entertaining...that California shot...where was it? Do you ever go to WPPI? Love to meet you.
Thanks Joe! That was in Pacifica! :-)
Was this the older 24-70 or the newer 24-70?
Older!
I own the D750 since January and LOVE it so much. I couldn't afford the D810 at the time and the D850 had not come out yet. It allows me to do so much!!
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As a first time viewer I learned a great deal from you and Loredo
Happy to hear George!
excellent explanation of long exposure.
Enjoyed this... not just for the photography but you and Laredo, you two should go on the stage , you'd make a great double act!
Thanks mate! We do have fun while filming... ;-)
love the pictures. where i get o download them. i want them for my wallpaper
Thanks mate! Try instagram... :-)
Hi sir I have trouble reading the right shutterspeed on my D800 together with a ND app the app has different scale or numbers than the nikon. Nikon is 1 2 3 4 than 1.5 als 10 20 30 and so on but the nd ap had different values that is a bummer becouse I have no idee what time to set. For the right exposure with a nd filter. All the apps have the same time measurement but why it is not the same with the camera what is than the purpose of the apps..
I will have a video about night photography in the future...
@@AttilioRuffo okey awesome.
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Beautiful images!!!
thank you!
Would be interesting to see the results with both cameras using the 20mm
Yes, possibly soon!
It's been 3 months no new video?
I am good, just taking a break and I will be back soon...
Hi Attilio, have you hot pixels problems in low light long exposure? My D850 present too many hot pixels since 8" exposure ISO 1600 in low light shot
It can happen but just in very low light, during very long exposure and if I am not using the LE NR...
yes, can happen, but with my other dslr Canon 70D in same shot with same settings (30" ISO 1600) I've 3 hot pixels and with the d850 100/120 hot pixel with LNR on And high iso NR norm but since 8" ISO1600 the d850 present that hot pixels and change position shot by shot. I've sent DSRL the third day for sensor remap and anything was change. now the DSL is to LTR Service (official Italy) and they don't tell me anything about.
That seems a huge difference!
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Fantastic. Very clear and informative. Love those N.Y City scenes. I am looking to buy my first full frame dslr. Having previously used film for Years. I have never been able to adjust to the magnification increase when attached to my old AiS Lens with the DX format sensor. I mostly enjoy landscape, seascape and coastal photography. My budget is modest, and your film has helped me make my decision. Thank You Attilio Ruffo.
Thank you 🙏
@@AttilioRuffo I shall definitely check out further films made by you Guys. I cannot Thank You Enough for this one. Best Regards and May You have a most memorable and truly pleasurable Holiday season. Charles from Cornwall U.K
Thanks
You guys are amazing freinds.
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Great video! Just want to know the background music!
Thank you! It’s on Artlist... let me check the artist and will tell you...
Thank you so much! Spend a ton of time searching for it and could not find it anywhere
Give me an hour, need to get to my computer;-)
so the song is called Nuclear Vision by Michael Shynes!
Thanks！Found it！
When I use the similar ND filters with D800 or D850 for long exposure shots, I get a color cast in the centre of the image. How come you don't face the same problem? Which brand of filters do you use?
Do you close the viewfinder???
Attilio Ruffo I don't. Is it the reason?!
You should close it otherwise you end up with some ghosting, light leaks
Attilio Ruffo Thanks a lot for the quick response. I will try that.
You will see that it will solve the problem
how to compare with 2 different lenses???!!!
I know... :-)
I have both cameras and just got the d850. The d850 has the latest greatest af which I was needing for what I do . But other than that so far as image quality I’m not seeing a big difference. It seems the color from the d850 is different and I like it . I also have the d500 and the d850 in usability for faster action type photography is a good match and button layout is the same . I love all three cameras.
I hear you! :-)
I love long exposure images... So fun!
Thanks Michelle, I appreciate it! :-)
I did an evening landscape comparison between my D800e and D850 some time ago, using the same lens from the same position. The resulting files were very close indeed. The convenience of the tilt screen was great, and I have had more success with my wildlife photography with the D850, with it's better AF and 7fps frame rate.
IQ wise, big difference on paper, but extremely minimal in the real world of landscape and portrait shooting...in my opinion.
I agree...👍
What noise are you expecting at 64 ISO? The D850 image looks like movement, very blurry. I had both, the D850 is just amazing. Its a few steps above the already stellar D810
Dear Attilio, thanks for reminding me of the joy of photography and sharing it with good friends.
Thank you 🙏
Such a great photo, excellent work ‼️‼️
Thanks a lot 🙏
Made me laugh...'what time do we start clicking' lol.Ive had the D810 for 3 years now and no thoughts about changing it. The only reason I would change is the weight of the Lens and Camera is becoming an issue as I get older. Hard to carry around on long distance treks. Great video, thanks
I know Laredo is really funny! :-) Sometimes I get tempted to change as well...but for now I will not!
just to SAY thank you for sharing tips of photography rather than high price gear!
Thanks 🙏
Nice comparison. I have two D810s and was thinking of selling one to upgrade to a D850. After watching this, l will stick with these D810s. What do you think of the new mirrorless? Is it worth an upgrade from D810?
Thanks! I will not go for the z6 or z7 and I made a video about it... :-)
Amazing! well done.
Thanks mate! 🙏
with focus peaking you dont even need to bend you can see standing up at a low profile
in live view if in focus .. from a distance :). yes you are 100% correct sir teh D850 is way superior to
the D810 its no contest, you need to use the same lenses to see how great this camera is.
Great Video man!
thanks mate!
Ciao Attilio, loved your video, keep them coming. I too have the Nikon D810 coupled up with the Nikon 20mm 1.8 for landscapes ! Absolutely brilliant results as you know yourself ! I’ll be keeping the D810 for quite some time still. Anyway looking forward to seeing your next video ! Cheers Sam !
Thanks Sam! Lovely combination, isn’t it? :-)
does anyone know the background music , it is fantastic
The song is called Nuclear Vision and it is by Michael Shynes, licensed by ARTLIST - artlist.io/Attilio-98991
Attilio I think there is not difference between the 2 images as you mentioned. I want to upgrade mi D750 perhaps for D850 but If I get a D810 I believe I will save some $$$$. Good contents as always 👍 BTW do you do some sorts of workshop? Will be cool
I do workshops, I don’t have a finalized schedule for the rest of the year yet though...
Thank you for this nice video... Glass talks. Here the D810 / 20mm f1.8 combinaison is a killer, very sharp, making look that 24-70mm like some basic kit lense, and showing that all things considered, glass is as, if not more, important than the camera for who wants tack sharpness and clarity. Prime lenses, at equal price vs zoom lenses, will often give you more for your money since, having less components, manufacturers put costier glass on these lenses. IQ from both camera show so little difference that I believe only redoing the test with the same glass/filter combinaison would show us if any, and at what level. The cooler white balance of D810 seems more true to colors and less "muddy" than the D850 shot. You mention it's the added ND3 SG. Since both have a big stopper otherwise, it's either not the same big stopper on the D850 or the white balance comes quiet different if both cameras are set on the same WB.
Complimenti Attilio per il canale e per i suoi contenuti,ti seguo in tutti i tuoi video.
Per me la vincitrice e' la 810 con il 20mm purtroppo la D850 ha bisogno di ottiche che risolvono il tipo di sensore e a quanto pare il 24-70 non c'e' la fa.
Grazie mille Massimiliano!
Thank you for clarifying that.
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Attilio Ruffo Stay Blessed Sir
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Nice video, thanks for the efforts... it would be great next time when to compare use same lens in different camera body so the comparison will be much fare , good luck 👍🏻
Thanks and you are completely right, we should haves swapped lenses... next time!
Where is this location?
Brooklyn Bridge Park
Just found you a few days ago and love your channel. I own both and can say it was a want and not a need to get the D850 . This forum needs more honest and laid back Vbloggers as your self.
Thanks Chris, welcome to my Channel and I understand the "want" part, which sometimes is hard to resist ! :-)
You should have named this video "20mm vs 24-70mm" instead. No way you can judge the difference between these two cameras with different lenses. And then on top of that you have filters on them. Nothing to compare here except which composition you like better.