Great work Imran and the Team! I actually seen your M6 in my home town being driven by the Mastermind himself!! We had a good Chat. I’ve had a DCT E9X box in my garage now for a couple of years now awaiting for a solution for my E60 M5 😁
Plenty of Shell loyalty points 😂 I gather it’s still got the oem 3.62 Diff ratio? With my DCT box I also obtained a 3.15 gear setup to keep the ratios as they are on the DCT M3’s
You guys put out some great content and products for the BMW Community, but this has been one of the most exciting and ambitious projects in a good while --- full steam ahead!
Yup, I was disappointed when they said they weren't going to bring their solution to market. I'm very excited to see the folks at Evolve are tackling this!
@@T8T-perhaps evolve can do it but it’s not plug and play at all, fair amount of hardware would need to be engineered let alone the insane complexity of the software.
Brilliant and savage at the same time to see those two cars hotwired to eachother. There is a DCT specialist in NL as well, hooking up DCT boxes to about everything. Maybe you know them, GNG motorsports
Wow this is crazy, funny that SOME UA-camRS don't want to give away much of any info on this, hope you all do your best to share as much as you can. I just refurbished my whole smg system myself so maybe this can be next once ive gotten life out of this one.
Oh my! I have an M5 E60 with SMG which I really would like to change to DCT gearbox. How far away are you from a finished product which you will sell? What parts do you need for the swap beside the DCT gearbox? What would you think be the cost to do this swap?
At this point we do have a running and driving DCT swapped M6 (video coming very soon!) but we wouldn’t want to comment on how close it is to being anywhere near something we would be happy putting our name on and selling to customers - Or the price involved.
Hiiiii Internet rumour here…. Congrats on doing it, Using Dans can controller to me isn’t a full OEM swap tho. It is essentially still another module intercepting and changing signals. Cool video tho.
@@ratdognuno Hiiii. No congratulations until it's possible as a plug and play solution and drives like OEM. Doing it with the Dan controller is the only way we can offer it to customers without infringement of BMW IP ie doing it the way they did it on the M5 CSL. The software is easy enough to obtain if you know the right people. But commercialising it is another story.
@ don’t we know it. Lol even then, there is issues with the software. We are sure bmw left bugs in it on purpose. If you guys manage to offer the plug and play solution it will be really cool, these cars need to be enjoyed more.
Should have been this way from the factory to be honest….. Imagine having a DCT box mates up to the S54 46 M3🤔👌🔥….. Now that I’d love to have in both my 46 M3’s.👍
Cool experiment to see, and good to see you working on the conversion. That said, and this is nothing against you guys, the DCT isn't that great. It's jerky and at times not as responsive as you want it to be. It's better than the SMG mostly but having had both I struggle to see why I'd want to dump tons of money on a DCT. The 6MT suits these cars, don't believe what the haters say.
Love this. Been watching your videos for a while. I have a question, here in the USA we have E60 545i and E63 with the N62 with SMG transmission. Will you have a kit that would allow me to fit a DCT into a SMG V8 BMW? love all the content. Thank you and hello 👋🏾 from Las Vegas Nevada
Torque Converters can't handle RPMs that high. I suspect if you don't want to rev above about 7200rpm you'll be fine, but then you are losing a lot of power!
Always been wanting one of these but the SMG gearbox has thrown me off, and I don't feel these are manual cars. DCT should fit them the best. If you're doing it on stock ECU now that means it should be more available with detailed instructions in about 2 years when I have the budget.
We’d love to get this to the point where it’s a commercially viable project for others to enjoy also! But it needs to meet our high standards of being as close to OEM in functionality and drivability as possible.
Does the gearbox have to be from an E9X M3, or are there other vehicles it could come from (335is, 135is, etc.)? I wonder if the supply of DCTs could become an issue if this really catches on. An S85 with a DCT and a shorter final drive will be an incredible driving experience!
@@grad0n BMW inspired us with the BMW M5 CSL. Gintani inspired us when they did this many years ago. As BMW guys this has been on our mind for many years. To make it happen so as many people who want the solution can buy it is the aim. Props to anyone that has attempted it/done it. We personally know of two other people that have it working but they will not share it publicly for various reasons.
Such a shame that Evolve decided to talk about another youtubers accomplishments but didn't bother to give them a shoutout - @ratdog Also building a CAN box like that when other boxes already exist to do exactly what you are doing (CANTCU, etc) seems like reinventing the wheel for no reason at all.
I’m not sure what part of the video you mean, the only thing we referenced was videos from about 10 years ago which if I remember correctly were by Gintani. Did look to include a bit of them in this video but couldn’t find them. So far we haven’t seen a commercially available product that could do what we want it to, hence spending the time/money to do this because we want the community to have easier access to DCT swapping S85s - if we can get it performing like we hope, and that’s a big if, still a lot of work to go.
Did Ratdog make a custom solution so that other people could do it with their cars at home? That is what evolve is trying to do which has not been done before. They want to create a conversion package so other people can do this and not just watch them do it as a one off shop car.
@@boost.m240I don’t think there is anyway someone can do this with their car at home. Most people couldn’t do the hardware swaps let alone having anything to do with the software aspect.
@@JJay5792 Evolve has already confirmed they will have most of that sorted and people should also be able to have the work done directly at their workshop. There is reason why they are showing “proof of concept.” They are working on making this available to the general public.
@@boost.m240no bro. And as I thought, this video here shows zero driveability in the real world and it shows just yet another “CAN” module added into the mix to convey and intercept signals. I know evolve wouldn’t post something without credentials so I’m sure it works. Hopefully it will be a nice easy bolt on solution that people can buy and enjoy.
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YO SO BOOM
Was looking for this comment.
I've owned an E60 M5 and I would have loved it with a DCT. Looking forward to seeing more of this project especially when the actual DCT is fitted!
That’s some content you won’t get anywhere else. Thank you very much 👏
Dear God yes!!!! We S85 owners need this NOW!!!!
YO SO BOOM!
Video was definitely needed here 😂 🙌🏿 Thank u EvolveAutomotive
E63 M6 owner since 2011. I’ve been waiting on this ever since you teased it in the first video … exciting stuff!
Great work Imran and the Team! I actually seen your M6 in my home town being driven by the Mastermind himself!! We had a good Chat.
I’ve had a DCT E9X box in my garage now for a couple of years now awaiting for a solution for my E60 M5 😁
It’s certainly been doing a lot of development miles, and a lot of time spent at the petrol station… 😬
Plenty of Shell loyalty points 😂
I gather it’s still got the oem 3.62 Diff ratio?
With my DCT box I also obtained a 3.15 gear setup to keep the ratios as they are on the DCT M3’s
Team Ratdog
You guys put out some great content and products for the BMW Community, but this has been one of the most exciting and ambitious projects in a good while --- full steam ahead!
Ok..... This is going to be good!
Definitely possible as @Ratdog have already completed it.
Yup, I was disappointed when they said they weren't going to bring their solution to market. I'm very excited to see the folks at Evolve are tackling this!
@@T8T-perhaps evolve can do it but it’s not plug and play at all, fair amount of hardware would need to be engineered let alone the insane complexity of the software.
Imran it would be a hell of a mod bro, waiting for it. As now I am sure it will be a reliable mod
Nice! A project M6 to DCT swap sounds like what’s next for me 👌🏽
Brilliant and savage at the same time to see those two cars hotwired to eachother. There is a DCT specialist in NL as well, hooking up DCT boxes to about everything. Maybe you know them, GNG motorsports
You are awesome imran ❤
I wouldn't be surprised if everyone with a SMG is lining up at your door for this DCT conversion. If possible.
The dream is a DCT conversion for everyone who wants one, but a lot more hard work has to happen before we’re near that!
As an E60 M5 owner with the SMG, 100 fucking percent!!!
Wow this is crazy, funny that SOME UA-camRS don't want to give away much of any info on this, hope you all do your best to share as much as you can. I just refurbished my whole smg system myself so maybe this can be next once ive gotten life out of this one.
Didn’t Ratdog complete this with only OEM parts?
Give us more ❤
More coming soon, this was filmed quite a while ago now 👀
Oh my! I have an M5 E60 with SMG which I really would like to change to DCT gearbox. How far away are you from a finished product which you will sell? What parts do you need for the swap beside the DCT gearbox? What would you think be the cost to do this swap?
At this point we do have a running and driving DCT swapped M6 (video coming very soon!) but we wouldn’t want to comment on how close it is to being anywhere near something we would be happy putting our name on and selling to customers - Or the price involved.
Hiiiii
Internet rumour here….
Congrats on doing it, Using Dans can controller to me isn’t a full OEM swap tho. It is essentially still another module intercepting and changing signals.
Cool video tho.
@@ratdognuno Hiiii. No congratulations until it's possible as a plug and play solution and drives like OEM. Doing it with the Dan controller is the only way we can offer it to customers without infringement of BMW IP ie doing it the way they did it on the M5 CSL. The software is easy enough to obtain if you know the right people. But commercialising it is another story.
@ don’t we know it. Lol even then, there is issues with the software. We are sure bmw left bugs in it on purpose.
If you guys manage to offer the plug and play solution it will be really cool, these cars need to be enjoyed more.
@@ratdognuno Thanks 🙏🏽 A lot more development and testing required yet. The car becomes a different proposition with the DCT.
@EvolveAutomotive Using that rationale, any DME tune has copyright issues since all tunes take the BMW software and adjust a handful of tables.
Mad scientist!
Subliminal Christopher Ward ambassador, over here.
Should have been this way from the factory to be honest…..
Imagine having a DCT box mates up to the S54 46 M3🤔👌🔥….. Now that I’d love to have in both my 46 M3’s.👍
SMG III first, but who knows what else this could open the door to
Cool experiment to see, and good to see you working on the conversion. That said, and this is nothing against you guys, the DCT isn't that great. It's jerky and at times not as responsive as you want it to be. It's better than the SMG mostly but having had both I struggle to see why I'd want to dump tons of money on a DCT. The 6MT suits these cars, don't believe what the haters say.
We personally love the DCT, and have always preferred it to the manual on the S65 engine also.
Love this. Been watching your videos for a while. I have a question, here in the USA we have E60 545i and E63 with the N62 with SMG transmission. Will you have a kit that would allow me to fit a DCT into a SMG V8 BMW? love all the content. Thank you and hello 👋🏾 from Las Vegas Nevada
How good does it downshift?
Is this a E9x DCT or F1x DCT? The gear ratios are quite different - I'm guessing E9x as the bellhousing is the same between S65 and S85
E9x
E9x M3
Is it possible to fit ZF-8hp with s85 in this car??
Torque Converters can't handle RPMs that high. I suspect if you don't want to rev above about 7200rpm you'll be fine, but then you are losing a lot of power!
🏆🏆🏆
Always been wanting one of these but the SMG gearbox has thrown me off, and I don't feel these are manual cars. DCT should fit them the best. If you're doing it on stock ECU now that means it should be more available with detailed instructions in about 2 years when I have the budget.
We’d love to get this to the point where it’s a commercially viable project for others to enjoy also! But it needs to meet our high standards of being as close to OEM in functionality and drivability as possible.
@ I have nothing but time and fully trust the quality of your work, keep going 🙌
Does the gearbox have to be from an E9X M3, or are there other vehicles it could come from (335is, 135is, etc.)? I wonder if the supply of DCTs could become an issue if this really catches on. An S85 with a DCT and a shorter final drive will be an incredible driving experience!
Needs an ls swap
If we wanted to lose 2 cylinders it would be an S65, and far easier to then have DCT 😂
Did Ratdog inspire you?
@@grad0n BMW inspired us with the BMW M5 CSL. Gintani inspired us when they did this many years ago. As BMW guys this has been on our mind for many years. To make it happen so as many people who want the solution can buy it is the aim. Props to anyone that has attempted it/done it. We personally know of two other people that have it working but they will not share it publicly for various reasons.
Such a shame that Evolve decided to talk about another youtubers accomplishments but didn't bother to give them a shoutout - @ratdog
Also building a CAN box like that when other boxes already exist to do exactly what you are doing (CANTCU, etc) seems like reinventing the wheel for no reason at all.
I’m not sure what part of the video you mean, the only thing we referenced was videos from about 10 years ago which if I remember correctly were by Gintani. Did look to include a bit of them in this video but couldn’t find them.
So far we haven’t seen a commercially available product that could do what we want it to, hence spending the time/money to do this because we want the community to have easier access to DCT swapping S85s - if we can get it performing like we hope, and that’s a big if, still a lot of work to go.
@RATDOG did it already. You're late to the game.
Did Ratdog make a custom solution so that other people could do it with their cars at home? That is what evolve is trying to do which has not been done before. They want to create a conversion package so other people can do this and not just watch them do it as a one off shop car.
@@boost.m240I don’t think there is anyway someone can do this with their car at home. Most people couldn’t do the hardware swaps let alone having anything to do with the software aspect.
@@JJay5792 Evolve has already confirmed they will have most of that sorted and people should also be able to have the work done directly at their workshop. There is reason why they are showing “proof of concept.” They are working on making this available to the general public.
@@boost.m240no bro. And as I thought, this video here shows zero driveability in the real world and it shows just yet another “CAN” module added into the mix to convey and intercept signals.
I know evolve wouldn’t post something without credentials so I’m sure it works.
Hopefully it will be a nice easy bolt on solution that people can buy and enjoy.