Norwegian goverment put a tax that wwere supposed to go to the salmon companies 2 years ago. It has backfired and now we the people pay that tax. The salmon families keep getting richer.
That's how taxes work on pretty much anything, the companies will pass on most of the cost onto the consumers. But, governments do need to get tax money somehow, and Value Added Taxes (VAT) are considered the most efficient. I'm not saying a tax on salmon farmers is good or bad, I'm not Norwegian and don't know the reasoning.
Agree, but there needs to be active improvements. Salmon when farmed has grey meat, and these companies are using chemical in the feed to make the flesh orange, not r&d to improve the feed. Havent bought farmed salmon since i found out about this many years ago.
"Strict" regulations according to a powerful industry and associate government comfortably profiting from fish farming does not amount to coherent regulations, less so to a sustainable practice. Fish farmers in Norway may monitor a bunch of physical parameters to argue that they ensure the health of the fish, but that only means a minimum health requirement to comply with some modern human standard. What about the life quality of the fish? How do they measure it? If at all, how much do they actually care about it? In reality, all that technology and (severely biased) research supporting Norway's fish farming is targeted towards justifying and perpetuating a cruel and unessential practice that has made them big profits. If they truly cared about environment and welfare, they would instead massively shift to alternatives (like seaweed), reduce the size of the fishing industry and invest in making people conscious about the flaws of fisheries so they change their consumption habits. Maybe eating a salmon should be a once-a-year thing or even less.. Of course this won't happen anywhere soon because what really matters here is profit, and Norwegians are just too scared to risk their lifestyle, privileges and fortunes.
That nordlaks shipfarm and that last enclosed farm seem the way to go. Now the question is how fast and expensive it would be to close down all others and make more of those.
Another way they can do it is on land in large pools/tanks, but it is more expensive because you have to pump a lot of water around (there are companies actually doing this).
@@Djamonja I saw something like that where people in Singapour were doing this with shrimps. Which was when i thought to myself that should be done with salmon here. Maybe 1-2 months ago also on DW.
@@kinngrimm Yea, the shrimp farming I have seen in Hawaii. It's easier because you don't have to pump as much water and the pools are smaller. It can definitely work with Salmon, but I'm not sure how much more expensive it is compared to the other farming methods.
@@Djamonja Expensive is when business loses money, but these folks are minting hundreds of million in profit, so, how is any part of its operation expensive ?
@@aryaman05 Expensive is when they have to sell their farmed salmon for twice the cost of the salmon sold by regular salmon farms. No salmon farming company is make hundreds of millions in profit, the whole industry might be, but that's hundreds of companies all over the world.
@@bendikkirkbakk1833 just putting aside the animal welfare issues..the chemicals and preservatives they use to flavor and preserve and the antibiotics and pesticide to treat the fish I'm not surprised!!!.
And you think wild fishing is better? Maybe in some cases, but there are a lot of issues with wild fishing. Overfishing, destroying the sea floor, bycatch. 50% of plastic in the ocean come from the fishing industries (including fish farming - a number I have heard - I don't have a reference)
I don't know bro, the term "wild catch" sounds like a scam to me just like organic label. Many farmer reported cheating with the label or diluted the product with cheaper goods..
but if farm raised salmon is a solution for people who don't mind that type of cultivation, domesticated fish just like cows etc, that should be their choice, even if that means preserving wild salmon populations for them
Did any of you read the label on the Norwegian Salmon 🍣 packet? It clearly says not for human consumption. But for local stores don’t bother getting sick
quite a subtle way to farm fish. even though there is thought to be some problems in terms of oxygen supply. my guess is that they pump air in order to make suitable environment.
is farmed or farm raised salmon something people want? is the implication that it should be banned? controlled more? do we 'need' this salmon or can we do without it? do we want this salmon on the market? or not? is the market better off without this farmed salmon or do the methods just need to be adhered to and they are not? the underlying problem seems so ethereal , it sounds like an amazing idea to farm salmon so the problems that are emerging start to seem complicated
Farming fish is no good as it promotes fishermen to keep anything big or small which will be ground up and fish meal made. The fish Farming industry need to use meal world wide made from carp..
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ASC is what I look for among other things, in order to know what to AVOID! But nowadays the wild catched fish you can buy in store is way less then it used to be, all because of these dam farms! I don't eat salmon when I think it's a day for industrial food! But yeah, here we are!
Norwegian goverment put a tax that wwere supposed to go to the salmon companies 2 years ago. It has backfired and now we the people pay that tax. The salmon families keep getting richer.
sounds like corruption and/or lobbyists, in both cases it is democracy loosing to buisness interrests
Can’t believe that after 2 years they don’t take away this tax. As it ended up being us. The people paying for it.
Unfair
That's how taxes work on pretty much anything, the companies will pass on most of the cost onto the consumers. But, governments do need to get tax money somehow, and Value Added Taxes (VAT) are considered the most efficient. I'm not saying a tax on salmon farmers is good or bad, I'm not Norwegian and don't know the reasoning.
Aww. It seems like good opportunity. If you have sensed it then become a fish farmer.
To all the anti ‘farmed’ fish people lout there, you simply CAN’T supply them population with fish/seafood without farms.
Agree, but there needs to be active improvements. Salmon when farmed has grey meat, and these companies are using chemical in the feed to make the flesh orange, not r&d to improve the feed. Havent bought farmed salmon since i found out about this many years ago.
The last story, Closed Agriculture,, seems very promising.
Remember this: aquatic farming like salmon is still a tiny fraction of cattle farming.
So??
@@kiyashrahman1876 So cattle farming is much more polluted and non sustainable.
Incredible agriculture technologies
The thing is. People in the industry NEVER eat farmed fish them self's.😮 It's pure poisen and now one know's it better.
Thats not true.
The Norwegian government has made it illegal for normal fishermen to fish salmon. Strangely convenient for the farmovners...
"Strict" regulations according to a powerful industry and associate government comfortably profiting from fish farming does not amount to coherent regulations, less so to a sustainable practice.
Fish farmers in Norway may monitor a bunch of physical parameters to argue that they ensure the health of the fish, but that only means a minimum health requirement to comply with some modern human standard. What about the life quality of the fish? How do they measure it? If at all, how much do they actually care about it?
In reality, all that technology and (severely biased) research supporting Norway's fish farming is targeted towards justifying and perpetuating a cruel and unessential practice that has made them big profits. If they truly cared about environment and welfare, they would instead massively shift to alternatives (like seaweed), reduce the size of the fishing industry and invest in making people conscious about the flaws of fisheries so they change their consumption habits. Maybe eating a salmon should be a once-a-year thing or even less..
Of course this won't happen anywhere soon because what really matters here is profit, and Norwegians are just too scared to risk their lifestyle, privileges and fortunes.
You have the most dumbest statement on the issue.
That nordlaks shipfarm and that last enclosed farm seem the way to go. Now the question is how fast and expensive it would be to close down all others and make more of those.
Another way they can do it is on land in large pools/tanks, but it is more expensive because you have to pump a lot of water around (there are companies actually doing this).
@@Djamonja I saw something like that where people in Singapour were doing this with shrimps. Which was when i thought to myself that should be done with salmon here. Maybe 1-2 months ago also on DW.
@@kinngrimm Yea, the shrimp farming I have seen in Hawaii. It's easier because you don't have to pump as much water and the pools are smaller. It can definitely work with Salmon, but I'm not sure how much more expensive it is compared to the other farming methods.
@@Djamonja
Expensive is when business loses money, but these folks are minting hundreds of million in profit, so, how is any part of its operation expensive ?
@@aryaman05 Expensive is when they have to sell their farmed salmon for twice the cost of the salmon sold by regular salmon farms. No salmon farming company is make hundreds of millions in profit, the whole industry might be, but that's hundreds of companies all over the world.
I simply don't buy farmed salmon at all.
Well done you!!!.👍👍👍👍
And you think you know better...LOL ...
It's pure poisen. The thing is. The people working in the industry NEVER eat it them self's. NEVER. ( Or their families)
Not surprising @@bendikkirkbakk1833
@@bendikkirkbakk1833 just putting aside the animal welfare issues..the chemicals and preservatives they use to flavor and preserve and the antibiotics and pesticide to treat the fish I'm not surprised!!!.
When it comes to new ways of producing food, it's important to realize its sustainability and risk of infections of the product.
All them chemicals and antibiotics are getting into the wild stock of fish and animals
Biggest corruption in Norway is behind salmon
I try to stay away from salmon and eat other types of fish that I buy at the local fish market - only wild caught.
You never know how "wild" the catches are...
And you think wild fishing is better? Maybe in some cases, but there are a lot of issues with wild fishing. Overfishing, destroying the sea floor, bycatch. 50% of plastic in the ocean come from the fishing industries (including fish farming - a number I have heard - I don't have a reference)
I don't know bro, the term "wild catch" sounds like a scam to me just like organic label. Many farmer reported cheating with the label or diluted the product with cheaper goods..
but if farm raised salmon is a solution for people who don't mind that type of cultivation, domesticated fish just like cows etc, that should be their choice, even if that means preserving wild salmon populations for them
Did any of you read the label on the Norwegian Salmon 🍣 packet? It clearly says not for human consumption. But for local stores don’t bother getting sick
Norway is big on salmon aquaculture. I didn't know about Chile though.
quite a subtle way to farm fish. even though there is thought to be some problems in terms of oxygen supply. my guess is that they pump air in order to make suitable environment.
is farmed or farm raised salmon something people want? is the implication that it should be banned? controlled more? do we 'need' this salmon or can we do without it? do we want this salmon on the market? or not? is the market better off without this farmed salmon or do the methods just need to be adhered to and they are not? the underlying problem seems so ethereal , it sounds like an amazing idea to farm salmon so the problems that are emerging start to seem complicated
I wanna work there. 👋👋
Salmon & cod taste different since a decade ago. Especially cod
Norway is screwing themselves and the world
Make pontoon ships that way can have sections to hold the fish and the ship can move not to disrupt 1 area for to l9ng.
Farming fish is no good as it promotes fishermen to keep anything big or small which will be ground up and fish meal made. The fish Farming industry need to use meal world wide made from carp..
maybe on the global south mine is the last generation that still has access to some natural waters fishes
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Thank god I’m a vegan
Do you wanna hear a meat joke?
ASC is what I look for among other things, in order to know what to AVOID! But nowadays the wild catched fish you can buy in store is way less then it used to be, all because of these dam farms! I don't eat salmon when I think it's a day for industrial food! But yeah, here we are!
I will not buy another piece of salmon from now on.
Fish Farming is as toxic as it gets.
Grand heads
Heyday of stupidity!
Why?