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I feel like the death count was supposed to indicate abyss creature deaths? I mean, it doesnt make sense to me that there would be thousands of "human" deaths when you only see like 100-200 different npc's per region at most.
I unfortunately got spoiled by some lovely creator who had the scene as the thumbnail and bold letters about what was happening. Talk about inconsiderate. Ruined the emotional moment I knew was coming
@@pureteddybear_ One of those spoiler creator once said "to reach the target" when someone asked why they uploaded sooo fast right after an update drops. So basically all for views and metrics. This is why I don't watch UA-cam after update and will try to find the time to complete the story right after the update, because inconsiderate brats like them will upload those spoiler thumbnail and somehow reach my homepage I've done this a long time that no spoiler thumbnails appear in my homepage, but I'd stay cautious
For me when teppei died my reaction was actually thank for your service not beacause of him dying (I had no care for him in the story) but because it meant that it was time to go into the delusion factory and meet Scaramouche for the first time in game. (I was not playing in 1.1 for that ancient event I started playing in the mid 3.x patchs .) I got introduced into the game by friends and one of them actually made me become a future wanderer main long before I started playing, so my friends told me lots of spoilers (by watching various game cutscences together from youtube) so I knew that he would be in the delusion factroy. so I thanked Teppei for being a convenent plot device before running away. Oh also I have a friend whos nickname is Silver and silver was his favourite npc in the game and he even did a silver cosplay in 4.1 the patch right before npc silver died 💀
Dunking on Teppei never gets old. Every time a great npc comes out, they are compared to Teppei and he always loses. That's not even limited to Genshin characters, there's a video comparing him with Skott from HSR.
i mean its the same with raiden and inazuma arc lol everytime a new archon introduced, raiden and inazuma AQ always got compare to the new one (and lose everytime), unfortunately it just an inazuman curse lol
@@rafaelrose14 the way they butchered raiden in her story quest, mainly the first one.. i will never get over that. i yearn for a meaningful redemption arc
The March event did wonders for Skott. He may be a sleazy and conniving man, but the fact that he doesn’t back down on his word and that he has principles make him that much more entertaining, and has given him meme status. But HSR has really good NPCs, Cocona being another example
I'm right there with you on teppei, I've got a lot of trouble remembering characters unless they really stand out in character design. I couldn't remember who ganyu was at all through the liyue archon quest because she's not really imposing or visually striking, however I could remember Keqing after only meeting her once at the ballista, she's demanding, in change with a distinct voice, with a purple that pops out. Teppei is an actual NPC we don't spend time with. I had a bigger reaction to fighting the futui given my gleefully on sight mentality when it comes to fighting them. However generally when we see Navia we are also seeing M & S, so by the time they die we get a lot of time with them so we can not only feel their death through Navia but we do feel something for them specifically.
Teppei suffers because of the bad execution of the entire Inazuma AQ. I f we spent more time with him, or if in the short time had had did things to appreciate and know him better, his death would have had a bigger impact. It's even harder to achieve that when the character dies because of bad decisions.
I remember when ppl kept saying how sad they were when teppei died, and when i finally saw it for myself, i had to FORCE myself to be the least bit upset
I'd say one of the problems with Teppei is that he knew what was killing him, and still kept using it. His death is entirely on himself, he didn't even sacrifice himself, he just died by his own actions. If it had been written well, they could have shown how losing his Vision affected him and led to him wanting to use the Delusion, instead of just mentioning it. Could have shown him instinctively trying to use the elements only to remember he doesn't have his Vision.
it never be mentioned in the story that Teppei has Vision to begin with. but I agree that his demise was by his own actions. He disregard Gorou order on not to use the Delusion.
Great analysis, Melus and Silver were one of my favourute parts of Fontaine AQ, I was dreading the truth dropping when Navia was acting stoic when we arrived to Poisson, the whole arc was very well done I also wanna know how you think Chuychu compares to them and Teppei as well, cause I called her having a similar fate to Melus and Silver when she was taken to rest by Chasca when I played
It says a lot when random NPCs ( I'm not even talking the ones we knew about before their deaths the 100% random ones) and Saurians dying during Act 4 was way more impactful than Teppei. Legitimately a Saurian who's only real lines are audible Rawr and Gawr made me feel more sad Teppei Toto who Teppei eclipses in screen time and story relevance had me nearly had me tearing up because I thought he had died and so happy when he was ok. How do you lose to a dino that had like a minute and a half of screen time
If a Genshin Manga were to come out I hope they make the Inazuma Arc better and of course flesh out my homie Teppei for good. Because as much as I like Teppei he had the unfortunate fate of being written by whoever the fuck is writing the Inazuma AQ.
Honestly, i really didnt care much about them till after their deaths. When we had the dialogue ‘wheres silver and melus’ i got so scared to click cuz i knew what was to come. I did cry alongside with navia but got absolutely shattered when they saved navia as Oceanids. Something about contributing even after death is also a real reason i felt nothing about teppei.
melus & silver were already amazing, but natlan… man. that AQ was genuinely something. have never been so sad over (SPOILERS) the passing of random NPCs… genshin always has to get me with their strong emotional moments happy that someone else agrees that teppei is a nonsense character, i’ve always never cared for him, he sorta just… perished? & that’s it? great piece, as always :)
Can you do a video on Kaveh soon? He’s so underrated and he’s less like a joke of alhaitham’s “RoOmAtE” if you check out his hangout events, seriously he’s a good character!
For me Kaveh is one of the most human characters, the game is full of power fantasy/mythologies while Kaveh have what many ppl go through in real life, he has so much lore but the fandom reduces him to a "naive dependent roommate", especially the shippers.
@@DragonMoth27 frr like the guy even straight up despises alhaitham and still fandom goes like "Awww alhaitham's babygirl strual bex 🥵🥵" while failing to realize his character story
@@genesissupernova2823 while I agree that the fandom “woobifies” Kaveh and often unfortunately reduces him to his relationship with Alhaitham, he by no means despises him. The two are shown to have a mutual respect for each other, even if they often clash ideologically. Kaveh and Alhaitham do care for one another, they just also know how to get on each others nerves lmao. And especially in more recent stuff that features them (cyno’s 2nd story quest, the story after the simulanka event, how sethos talks abt them) they seem to be getting along much better
Basically we knew nothing about Teppei, all we knew is that he's devoted to his "work", but there's just so little time to connect with him. Navia's bodyguards were natural in showing more things about themselves through Navia herself. The way they cared about her or reason with her antics, they felt more alive than Teppei who was just there for some reason like a cardboard cutout. Probably half of the problem lies in the way they portrayed Kokomi and Gorou in that quest. Instead of showing how resistance really operates they discarded it in the worst way possible. So Teppei also could have gotten his development if they showed him similar way through Kokomi how Silver and Melus were shown through Navia, but nope. And now we only remember him as that annoying guy who forced a swordsman to do an archery challenge and supposedly died at the end. Well, Inazuma story quest was rushed after Mond and Liyue. They either didn't have a good main scenario writer at the time, or just couldn't finish everything on time and had to scrap like 40% of the plot there. You can tell that both might be the case bc Sumeru was improvement of writing after Inazuma, and in 2.0 trailer there was a scene where Traveler sinks in the water (which never happened). Theories say that the whole "travel to Inazuma" part was cut out there. Anyway, i think after Inazuma Hoyo started taking story more seriously bc many people enjoy the story aspect of the game, and people who don't enjoy it can be even more harsh on it. Like me, ahaha. Honestly it's hard for me to connect with npcs or even main characters, so i rarely cry, unless it's shown in a very good way. On my memory there's only one time i cried for side character death and it was bc it was brilliantly done in particular webcomic. That side character was shown only once, main character talked to her only once. They were just strangers to each other, but just a few chapters later he finds her halfdead without legs and arms, she couldn't see bc she was blinded and there was a hole in her stomach. There's no way of saving her, so she showed mc her memories of the culprit. And she was portrayed as stoic person who accepted her defeat and death. Until the very last moments, she suddenly started crying and said she didn't want to die. After that she passes out. Man, thr sheer hopelessness of that scene really moved me to tears. Like i wouldn't care if she died heroically, but at the very end she showed her human side, which was amazing i believe. In some sense, she was similar to Teppei, bc how little screen time she had, but author managed to do everything for readers to remember her, not many characters get that luxury i think. Anyway, sorry for the wall of text. Nice video ++
You know, I feel like Teppei could have benefitted with being personally connected to a playable character just like Silver and Melus. I'm just spitballing here, but they could have easily made him Gorou's like... right hand man, or made him a friend of Kokomi or something like that. That way, if he died, even if us players wouldn't care, we would still feel for Gorou/Kokomi/ whatever playable character you want to attach Teppei to
Same happened with me, I actually forgot about teppei and when I was just scrolling pintersest and saw that people were actually sad about him dying, then somehow I was sad about it and then careless again. Melus and Silver were actually 1st npc I really liked and will miss, I can't see other trio with navia without them:( and when I was playing tcg I saw M and S card, I was so happy to see them again😭💔
I'm not saying Teppei is written well, either, but Melus and Silver are mostly just comic relief as an extension of Navia. Melus also serves as a vehicle for Navia's background. But I never had the impression that they were people unto themselves (or at least Silver certainly isn't.) They're basically Arataki Gang members, except Spina di Rosula.
One of the big writing pitfalls that Teppei fell into was just how...Heavy handed they went about presenting his "I'm a soldier and want to help" personality. It gave off the same vibes as the "I'm retiring in X days" cliche. The moment I heard Teppei speak, red flags were everywhere. And he just kept saying/doing the same thing. It was so obvious he was going to die. That entire part of the AQ, I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop and made jokes when it did. Melus and Silver may have worked for a few reasons. There's what you said but also another possible factor. By Fontaine, a majority of players were left feeling secure about "NPCs who are close with playable characters" because of Dunyarzad. They didn't kill her off (opinions vary whether this was the righr call) so surely they wouldn't kill NPCs who are close with the obvious playable character. That and Melus and Silver had zero red flags surrounding them. Obviously it's cause they didn't get focus like Teppei or Dunyarzad, but that worked in the AQ's favor. The writing didn't play up any death tropes with them, so players were left just seeing them as Navia's quirky "family" who are there to help her and lighten the mood. Like the NPCs that show up in Events. A great way to get your audience invested in a character is to make them feel secure and believe the character(s) will be around even after the conflict. Make them think things like "I want to see more of them later." For example, I really wanted to see Melus and Silved in future Fontaine content with Navia. So it SUCKED for me when they died. And the same thing just happened with Natlan 🫠 Teppei? I had no hopes for him. I'd personally be interested in a Teppei-Deconstruction video. It's the first time I've heard the opinion that he contradicts Inazuma's AQ and I'd like to hear the argument.
I will be honest I didn't felt attached to neither teppi nor Melus and Silver and I felt nothing when all of them die, one we know him for 20 minutes at best and the others dies off-screen suddenly without any build up at all the NPCs that I really felt attached to, and I genuinely wanted them to live and to have a happy ending were Dunyarzad and Jeht they both have a tragic life with more painful moments happening to them while we are with them and seeing how it affected their personality and decisions
I also want to add that the framing of Teppei's introduction on 2.0 was pretty suspicious, like why is this random NPC guy so eager to show us around and take us to Sangonomiya? At the end of act 2 I was so sure that either Teppei was the traitor they mentioned (who in the end was an even more random missable NPC called Nathan) or he had red flags and was gonna die in the plot. The continuous focus on the next update made it so 1. he was insufferable to me because he kept comparing himself to Traveler more than being a real buddy, and it didn't make sense to me that my Lumine would be SO PISSED for this rando, especially after world quest character Kazari (Hanachirusato) having a much sadder death, 2. the red flags were so obvious and so boring that I couldn't connect to him as I could tell he was gonna die. Honestly, I would have rather if Teppei had been the traitor instead of what we got. You did this to yourself, bro. You took the fucking delusion.
talk about empathy but all i see people do is laugh at teppeis expense for being poorly written. Never thought i see people clap that a good guy dies a shameful death. Truthfully that just speaks a little heartless.
he’s fictional and they do the same for signora. tho i see a lot of ppl sad abt teppei still so clearly not everyone. majority don’t laugh, they js don’t care bc the building up to his death wasn’t done well
Ngl, I personally don't care about a character we just met and then (Black screen skip for how ever many days) and then dies. ??? Like, how are we suppose to care?
I liked Teppei. He was just a guy trying to do his best and impress us. ...the stupid way And his death made us care more about Dunyarzad, since as a npc she could die, it already happend once, it could happen again
Melus, Silver and Chuychu’s deaths, as well as the impact behind them is what Teppei should have been. Sumeru, Fontaine and Natlan’s storylines has proven just how much Inazuma’s plot was a let down. Which is ashame because Inazuma has so many fan favorite characters.
I appreciate this video because I keep seeing people feeling bad about Teppei, meanwhile I felt nothing. In fact, the whole time he was in the story I thought they were setting him up to betray the Traveler and only pretending to be our friend. Then he dies and I was like, "Oh... I guess he was being genuine all this time? Huh. Well, he's still not my friend, he's barely an acquaintance." Not to mention his death was pretty confusing. Looked like he just took a nap and not actually DIED to me.
Even if Inazuma's story were better, *to me*, Teppei still wouldn't have been likeable. Beside the fact we technically barely know him (at least on screen) and apparently we didn't even complete lots of missions together, he's shown like he's a bestie, a cliché shonen boy looking at Traveler with a determined grin and the classical "You better not slack off, I might catch up to you soon!" And, really, Teppei was the cause of his own downfall. He was so engrossed in his sudden gain of power, so hard focused on the fact he must do some great deeds on the battlefield to think he's useful, that he completely failed to see he was aging fast as f. Even at the very end, I was sighing because really... "It's not surprising that a mysterious weapon of unknown origins would come with its risks" NO SHIT??? If only he would have been a character who had his Vision taken away from him, and tried to feel useful again by accepting this "secret weapon" (that he's still asking for when we meet him as an old guy) because by this time, we knew the consequences of losing a Vision (confusion and partial memory loss)... But no no, he's just some Random Guy™ we meet at the beach and save his butt. He just wants to be stronger for the sake of it, because physically strong = the only mean to be useful in war. He never evolves from that point. My biggest issue with this character, is that the game is trying hard to show him as a "kind heart", hopeful one with noble ideals. But matter of fact : he's not. He thinks that acting on the battlefield is more important, felt frustrated because wasn't "strong enough", and relied on an unknown weapon to satiate his thirst for glory. His death was so anticlimactic that until I watched another's streamer playthrough, i thought he REALLY had gone sleeping... I searched for him in the village, never found him, until I learned the truth. And worse: there's not even some kind of memorial left in his name. Even VICHAMA got something, an NPC who was there for half an Act, so even less screentime than Teppei.
the thing that pisses me off the most about Teppei, is that they treat his death like its such a big deal and that everyone should care about him. Like, the first time ive ever seen the Traveler this genuinely angry was over Teppei, and they keep bringing his death up like it mattered. They even had Teppei's spirit appear alongside the Traveler during the fight with Raiden and it just absolutely makes no sense. Like, who invited this dude to the party?!
Honestly i couldn't care less about teppei i genuinely felt more bad for the natlan npcs cause in some kind of way you see how they struggle their aspirations and what they're fighting for even in just small dialogues
On reddit someone wish silver and melus to be playable. I replied go check out the new navia story ;) They repied back please dont remind me. Think they already read what happened to them :c
To be fair to tappie aparently there was like a 6 month gap of updates for that story. I came to genshin late and thought it was well done because you saw his deteriouration after every quest. I didnt know until much later people had a problem with how it was handled.
Teppei's demise kinda felt like a "red shirt" character to me. A character introduced specifically to be killed off later, adding little to the story and often there just to emphasize the potential danger around the important characters. I remember forgetting about Teppei WHILE playing the story because he wasn't that memorable or important to the plot. Meluse and Silver and even Chuychu were fully fleshed out characters that were important to the plot in relation to the "important characters" they were connected to. So when they died, it had major repercussion in the story, along with upsetting the player. My feeling is hoyo intended for Teppei to be a red shirt (they know how to do emotional damage with character deaths, Himeko anyone?), but I think at that point in the game, since it's not the climax before the end of act 1 or the 11 0clock number, they didn't want to present anything too emotionally jarring and build up for the more recent plot lines in Fontain and Natlan. Like in a musical, you don't have your big show stopping 11 o clock number in the middle of act one, you slowly build up to it as the penultimate number in the final act and take your audience by storm then.
I didn't realize the hate for Teppei was so... vehement 😅 I never really thought much of him since Inazuma, true, but I remember at the time people were still riding the "fuck Pallad" train, so I think that saved Teppei from scrutiny, for a while at least. Edit: And the rest of the Inazuma Archon quest being poorly handled certainly helped spread the blame. 😂
tbh, Teppei death was just the part of bad written story throughout Inazuma conflict. He fought and perished for the wrong reason, which is for the sake of some selfish people who already have their vision confiscated (or threaten to be confiscated) by Shogunate. Something like, "they gonna rob our dream...blablabla." Well, ofc Watatsumi people also have the right to be mad because their deity's remnant was harvested for its lingering power. But I clearly remember an NPC in Narukami Island saying that he didn't care about the vision hunt decree since it won't affect him or most of Inazuma people because the main problem in Inazuma is the Sakoku decree which made Inazuma a closed country and could effect their economy. Imo, he was right. Back to unlucky Teppei, he's so desperate to gain an instant super power, then accessed the Delusion while ignoring his General order. Well, I kinda understand why Teppei disregard Gorou. lol, Then we knew the rest of the story. But the worst is when the Traveler completely blind in rage over Teppei demise as if he's our lover or something. Cih. I still hate that story so much to this day every time someone mention "Teppei".
“Let me ask the Teppei enjoyers…” Me: “There are Teppei enjoyers?” Ngl for like two years I forgot Teppei existed until someone on Discord casually mentioned him.
@@Cosmic_Espeon it’s crazy but last time I had a video remotely dunking on teppei I had people rushing to declare their deep emotions for this man. (with zero reasoning why, ofc)
Let's not even compare Teppi to Melus and Silver. Even Tadhla's death in some random world quest was way better than Teppei for me. When Teppei died, i kid you not, i had to double check to my friends who played the game longer than i did to confirm he's dead-ded. Traveler getting so angry over Teppei was puzzling to me. All those time i was asking in my head "why should i care for this NPC guy i barely know and spent time with???" Everytime he's on the screen all he talked about was his work and the delusion thing. Even when i was doing the quest, Teppei was never really there in the background of the quest like Tadhla or Melus and Silver did. Genuinely, why should I care that he died.
Personally I didn't really feel much? It felt like we'd barely seen her before she died. More screen time would have made more of an impact. I also felt like it was incredibly cheep how it was immediately used as justification for Chasca to get her ancient name. Idk, it immediately took me out of the grieving process and made her feel like a plot device.
I felt the death was kinda chucked on but the one thing they got right was how when chacsas anicent name did its thing she wasnt even looking at the hologram talking she was still too concertrated on her sister it shows chascas emotions more that she wasnt happy that her sister had to die in order for that to happen
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Tbh all the thousands of random npcs dying in the natlan wars impacted me way more than teppei's death...
Same
Same XD
I think that overall the topic of a war was illustrated better in Natlan than in Inazuma
I feel like the death count was supposed to indicate abyss creature deaths? I mean, it doesnt make sense to me that there would be thousands of "human" deaths when you only see like 100-200 different npc's per region at most.
vichama :(
Was waiting for someone to make this cause mihoyo managed to outdo their writing again with chuychu
Absolutely agree Chuychu was amazing bro
I unfortunately got spoiled by some lovely creator who had the scene as the thumbnail and bold letters about what was happening. Talk about inconsiderate. Ruined the emotional moment I knew was coming
@@pureteddybear_
One of those spoiler creator once said "to reach the target" when someone asked why they uploaded sooo fast right after an update drops. So basically all for views and metrics.
This is why I don't watch UA-cam after update and will try to find the time to complete the story right after the update, because inconsiderate brats like them will upload those spoiler thumbnail and somehow reach my homepage
I've done this a long time that no spoiler thumbnails appear in my homepage, but I'd stay cautious
@@pureteddybear_ sorry it happened to you
I would suggest to block those creators in the future
That smth rhaspody with acheron pic? I got spoiled right after i entered yt...
For me when teppei died my reaction was actually thank for your service not beacause of him dying (I had no care for him in the story) but because it meant that it was time to go into the delusion factory and meet Scaramouche for the first time in game. (I was not playing in 1.1 for that ancient event I started playing in the mid 3.x patchs .) I got introduced into the game by friends and one of them actually made me become a future wanderer main long before I started playing, so my friends told me lots of spoilers (by watching various game cutscences together from youtube) so I knew that he would be in the delusion factroy. so I thanked Teppei for being a convenent plot device before running away.
Oh also I have a friend whos nickname is Silver and silver was his favourite npc in the game and he even did a silver cosplay in 4.1 the patch right before npc silver died
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@@LeaF2.6 damn-
"Haha, pressure getting to you?"
@@HeLiam295 😭
Dunking on Teppei never gets old. Every time a great npc comes out, they are compared to Teppei and he always loses.
That's not even limited to Genshin characters, there's a video comparing him with Skott from HSR.
i mean its the same with raiden and inazuma arc lol everytime a new archon introduced, raiden and inazuma AQ always got compare to the new one (and lose everytime), unfortunately it just an inazuman curse lol
@@rafaelrose14 the way they butchered raiden in her story quest, mainly the first one.. i will never get over that. i yearn for a meaningful redemption arc
The March event did wonders for Skott. He may be a sleazy and conniving man, but the fact that he doesn’t back down on his word and that he has principles make him that much more entertaining, and has given him meme status. But HSR has really good NPCs, Cocona being another example
I'm right there with you on teppei, I've got a lot of trouble remembering characters unless they really stand out in character design. I couldn't remember who ganyu was at all through the liyue archon quest because she's not really imposing or visually striking, however I could remember Keqing after only meeting her once at the ballista, she's demanding, in change with a distinct voice, with a purple that pops out. Teppei is an actual NPC we don't spend time with. I had a bigger reaction to fighting the futui given my gleefully on sight mentality when it comes to fighting them.
However generally when we see Navia we are also seeing M & S, so by the time they die we get a lot of time with them so we can not only feel their death through Navia but we do feel something for them specifically.
Teppei suffers because of the bad execution of the entire Inazuma AQ. I f we spent more time with him, or if in the short time had had did things to appreciate and know him better, his death would have had a bigger impact. It's even harder to achieve that when the character dies because of bad decisions.
I remember when ppl kept saying how sad they were when teppei died, and when i finally saw it for myself, i had to FORCE myself to be the least bit upset
I'd say one of the problems with Teppei is that he knew what was killing him, and still kept using it. His death is entirely on himself, he didn't even sacrifice himself, he just died by his own actions. If it had been written well, they could have shown how losing his Vision affected him and led to him wanting to use the Delusion, instead of just mentioning it. Could have shown him instinctively trying to use the elements only to remember he doesn't have his Vision.
it never be mentioned in the story that Teppei has Vision to begin with. but I agree that his demise was by his own actions. He disregard Gorou order on not to use the Delusion.
@@hrs795 pretty sure he had a Vision that got taken by the Shogun, hence why he was so adamant on using the Delusion.
Great analysis, Melus and Silver were one of my favourute parts of Fontaine AQ, I was dreading the truth dropping when Navia was acting stoic when we arrived to Poisson, the whole arc was very well done
I also wanna know how you think Chuychu compares to them and Teppei as well, cause I called her having a similar fate to Melus and Silver when she was taken to rest by Chasca when I played
It says a lot when random NPCs ( I'm not even talking the ones we knew about before their deaths the 100% random ones) and Saurians dying during Act 4 was way more impactful than Teppei.
Legitimately a Saurian who's only real lines are audible Rawr and Gawr made me feel more sad Teppei
Toto who Teppei eclipses in screen time and story relevance had me nearly had me tearing up because I thought he had died and so happy when he was ok.
How do you lose to a dino that had like a minute and a half of screen time
If a Genshin Manga were to come out I hope they make the Inazuma Arc better and of course flesh out my homie Teppei for good.
Because as much as I like Teppei he had the unfortunate fate of being written by whoever the fuck is writing the Inazuma AQ.
There's been one already.
Just that it doesn't cover anything from the game, rather some things of the past for most of it afaik.
@@clemente3966 yeah I hope they bring it back but that one is more of a Manhua really.
It’s still really good… it’s too bad it discontinued, I’d love to see more about Collei and Cyno’s journey
Honestly, i really didnt care much about them till after their deaths. When we had the dialogue ‘wheres silver and melus’ i got so scared to click cuz i knew what was to come. I did cry alongside with navia but got absolutely shattered when they saved navia as Oceanids. Something about contributing even after death is also a real reason i felt nothing about teppei.
melus & silver were already amazing, but natlan… man. that AQ was genuinely something. have never been so sad over (SPOILERS) the passing of random NPCs… genshin always has to get me with their strong emotional moments
happy that someone else agrees that teppei is a nonsense character, i’ve always never cared for him, he sorta just… perished? & that’s it?
great piece, as always :)
Can you do a video on Kaveh soon? He’s so underrated and he’s less like a joke of alhaitham’s “RoOmAtE” if you check out his hangout events, seriously he’s a good character!
For me Kaveh is one of the most human characters, the game is full of power fantasy/mythologies while Kaveh have what many ppl go through in real life, he has so much lore but the fandom reduces him to a "naive dependent roommate", especially the shippers.
@@DragonMoth27 frr like the guy even straight up despises alhaitham and still fandom goes like "Awww alhaitham's babygirl strual bex 🥵🥵" while failing to realize his character story
"Look how they have massacred my boy" everytime I look for Kaveh content 😥
@@genesissupernova2823 while I agree that the fandom “woobifies” Kaveh and often unfortunately reduces him to his relationship with Alhaitham, he by no means despises him. The two are shown to have a mutual respect for each other, even if they often clash ideologically. Kaveh and Alhaitham do care for one another, they just also know how to
get on each others nerves lmao. And especially in more recent stuff that features them (cyno’s 2nd story quest, the story after the simulanka event, how sethos talks abt them) they seem to be getting along much better
Kaveh is not underrated, at least in China. They rented a mall to celebrate Kaveh's birthday.
Basically we knew nothing about Teppei, all we knew is that he's devoted to his "work", but there's just so little time to connect with him. Navia's bodyguards were natural in showing more things about themselves through Navia herself. The way they cared about her or reason with her antics, they felt more alive than Teppei who was just there for some reason like a cardboard cutout. Probably half of the problem lies in the way they portrayed Kokomi and Gorou in that quest. Instead of showing how resistance really operates they discarded it in the worst way possible. So Teppei also could have gotten his development if they showed him similar way through Kokomi how Silver and Melus were shown through Navia, but nope. And now we only remember him as that annoying guy who forced a swordsman to do an archery challenge and supposedly died at the end. Well, Inazuma story quest was rushed after Mond and Liyue. They either didn't have a good main scenario writer at the time, or just couldn't finish everything on time and had to scrap like 40% of the plot there. You can tell that both might be the case bc Sumeru was improvement of writing after Inazuma, and in 2.0 trailer there was a scene where Traveler sinks in the water (which never happened). Theories say that the whole "travel to Inazuma" part was cut out there. Anyway, i think after Inazuma Hoyo started taking story more seriously bc many people enjoy the story aspect of the game, and people who don't enjoy it can be even more harsh on it. Like me, ahaha.
Honestly it's hard for me to connect with npcs or even main characters, so i rarely cry, unless it's shown in a very good way. On my memory there's only one time i cried for side character death and it was bc it was brilliantly done in particular webcomic. That side character was shown only once, main character talked to her only once. They were just strangers to each other, but just a few chapters later he finds her halfdead without legs and arms, she couldn't see bc she was blinded and there was a hole in her stomach. There's no way of saving her, so she showed mc her memories of the culprit. And she was portrayed as stoic person who accepted her defeat and death. Until the very last moments, she suddenly started crying and said she didn't want to die. After that she passes out. Man, thr sheer hopelessness of that scene really moved me to tears. Like i wouldn't care if she died heroically, but at the very end she showed her human side, which was amazing i believe. In some sense, she was similar to Teppei, bc how little screen time she had, but author managed to do everything for readers to remember her, not many characters get that luxury i think. Anyway, sorry for the wall of text. Nice video ++
You know, I feel like Teppei could have benefitted with being personally connected to a playable character just like Silver and Melus. I'm just spitballing here, but they could have easily made him Gorou's like... right hand man, or made him a friend of Kokomi or something like that. That way, if he died, even if us players wouldn't care, we would still feel for Gorou/Kokomi/ whatever playable character you want to attach Teppei to
i swear when we find teppei old and dying i was like "who are you? why are we worried? what happened?"
Same happened with me, I actually forgot about teppei and when I was just scrolling pintersest and saw that people were actually sad about him dying, then somehow I was sad about it and then careless again. Melus and Silver were actually 1st npc I really liked and will miss, I can't see other trio with navia without them:( and when I was playing tcg I saw M and S card, I was so happy to see them again😭💔
I'm not saying Teppei is written well, either, but Melus and Silver are mostly just comic relief as an extension of Navia. Melus also serves as a vehicle for Navia's background. But I never had the impression that they were people unto themselves (or at least Silver certainly isn't.) They're basically Arataki Gang members, except Spina di Rosula.
One of the big writing pitfalls that Teppei fell into was just how...Heavy handed they went about presenting his "I'm a soldier and want to help" personality.
It gave off the same vibes as the "I'm retiring in X days" cliche. The moment I heard Teppei speak, red flags were everywhere. And he just kept saying/doing the same thing. It was so obvious he was going to die. That entire part of the AQ, I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop and made jokes when it did.
Melus and Silver may have worked for a few reasons.
There's what you said but also another possible factor. By Fontaine, a majority of players were left feeling secure about "NPCs who are close with playable characters" because of Dunyarzad. They didn't kill her off (opinions vary whether this was the righr call) so surely they wouldn't kill NPCs who are close with the obvious playable character.
That and Melus and Silver had zero red flags surrounding them. Obviously it's cause they didn't get focus like Teppei or Dunyarzad, but that worked in the AQ's favor. The writing didn't play up any death tropes with them, so players were left just seeing them as Navia's quirky "family" who are there to help her and lighten the mood. Like the NPCs that show up in Events.
A great way to get your audience invested in a character is to make them feel secure and believe the character(s) will be around even after the conflict. Make them think things like "I want to see more of them later."
For example, I really wanted to see Melus and Silved in future Fontaine content with Navia. So it SUCKED for me when they died.
And the same thing just happened with Natlan 🫠
Teppei? I had no hopes for him.
I'd personally be interested in a Teppei-Deconstruction video. It's the first time I've heard the opinion that he contradicts Inazuma's AQ and I'd like to hear the argument.
I will be honest I didn't felt attached to neither teppi nor Melus and Silver and I felt nothing when all of them die, one we know him for 20 minutes at best and the others dies off-screen suddenly without any build up at all
the NPCs that I really felt attached to, and I genuinely wanted them to live and to have a happy ending were
Dunyarzad and Jeht they both have a tragic life with more painful moments happening to them while we are with them and seeing how it affected their personality and decisions
I also want to add that the framing of Teppei's introduction on 2.0 was pretty suspicious, like why is this random NPC guy so eager to show us around and take us to Sangonomiya? At the end of act 2 I was so sure that either Teppei was the traitor they mentioned (who in the end was an even more random missable NPC called Nathan) or he had red flags and was gonna die in the plot. The continuous focus on the next update made it so 1. he was insufferable to me because he kept comparing himself to Traveler more than being a real buddy, and it didn't make sense to me that my Lumine would be SO PISSED for this rando, especially after world quest character Kazari (Hanachirusato) having a much sadder death, 2. the red flags were so obvious and so boring that I couldn't connect to him as I could tell he was gonna die. Honestly, I would have rather if Teppei had been the traitor instead of what we got. You did this to yourself, bro. You took the fucking delusion.
👇ANTI TEPPEI LEGION RISE!!!
ALL NPC in Natlan > Teppei
0:38 THE WAY U ACTUALLY WAITED FIVE SECONDS IS SENDING ME 😭😭
yes i would love an analysis on teppei!
Thank you Edah for making this day more hype by posting 🙏
talk about empathy but all i see people do is laugh at teppeis expense for being poorly written. Never thought i see people clap that a good guy dies a shameful death. Truthfully that just speaks a little heartless.
he’s fictional and they do the same for signora. tho i see a lot of ppl sad abt teppei still so clearly not everyone. majority don’t laugh, they js don’t care bc the building up to his death wasn’t done well
Ngl, I personally don't care about a character we just met and then (Black screen skip for how ever many days) and then dies. ??? Like, how are we suppose to care?
I liked Teppei. He was just a guy trying to do his best and impress us.
...the stupid way
And his death made us care more about Dunyarzad, since as a npc she could die, it already happend once, it could happen again
I have eggs,sugar and almonds at the ready
Melus, Silver and Chuychu’s deaths, as well as the impact behind them is what Teppei should have been.
Sumeru, Fontaine and Natlan’s storylines has proven just how much Inazuma’s plot was a let down. Which is ashame because Inazuma has so many fan favorite characters.
not suprised since it was inazuma
Teppei the kinda dude who thinks he the main character
I appreciate this video because I keep seeing people feeling bad about Teppei, meanwhile I felt nothing. In fact, the whole time he was in the story I thought they were setting him up to betray the Traveler and only pretending to be our friend. Then he dies and I was like, "Oh... I guess he was being genuine all this time? Huh. Well, he's still not my friend, he's barely an acquaintance." Not to mention his death was pretty confusing. Looked like he just took a nap and not actually DIED to me.
You absolutely ate with this video the structure of ur analysis is immaculate btw!
When Teppei died, let me tell you i LAUGHED cause his death is so stupid
Only npc I ever cried for was dunezard, when she showed up during the 3.0 cutscene I cried. Teppei I could care less about
Even if Inazuma's story were better, *to me*, Teppei still wouldn't have been likeable. Beside the fact we technically barely know him (at least on screen) and apparently we didn't even complete lots of missions together, he's shown like he's a bestie, a cliché shonen boy looking at Traveler with a determined grin and the classical "You better not slack off, I might catch up to you soon!"
And, really, Teppei was the cause of his own downfall. He was so engrossed in his sudden gain of power, so hard focused on the fact he must do some great deeds on the battlefield to think he's useful, that he completely failed to see he was aging fast as f. Even at the very end, I was sighing because really... "It's not surprising that a mysterious weapon of unknown origins would come with its risks" NO SHIT???
If only he would have been a character who had his Vision taken away from him, and tried to feel useful again by accepting this "secret weapon" (that he's still asking for when we meet him as an old guy) because by this time, we knew the consequences of losing a Vision (confusion and partial memory loss)... But no no, he's just some Random Guy™ we meet at the beach and save his butt. He just wants to be stronger for the sake of it, because physically strong = the only mean to be useful in war. He never evolves from that point.
My biggest issue with this character, is that the game is trying hard to show him as a "kind heart", hopeful one with noble ideals. But matter of fact : he's not. He thinks that acting on the battlefield is more important, felt frustrated because wasn't "strong enough", and relied on an unknown weapon to satiate his thirst for glory. His death was so anticlimactic that until I watched another's streamer playthrough, i thought he REALLY had gone sleeping... I searched for him in the village, never found him, until I learned the truth. And worse: there's not even some kind of memorial left in his name. Even VICHAMA got something, an NPC who was there for half an Act, so even less screentime than Teppei.
the thing that pisses me off the most about Teppei, is that they treat his death like its such a big deal and that everyone should care about him. Like, the first time ive ever seen the Traveler this genuinely angry was over Teppei, and they keep bringing his death up like it mattered. They even had Teppei's spirit appear alongside the Traveler during the fight with Raiden and it just absolutely makes no sense. Like, who invited this dude to the party?!
Honestly i couldn't care less about teppei i genuinely felt more bad for the natlan npcs cause in some kind of way you see how they struggle their aspirations and what they're fighting for even in just small dialogues
On reddit someone wish silver and melus to be playable. I replied go check out the new navia story ;)
They repied back please dont remind me.
Think they already read what happened to them :c
Yes, I want this 3:44
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Agreed!
To be fair to tappie aparently there was like a 6 month gap of updates for that story. I came to genshin late and thought it was well done because you saw his deteriouration after every quest. I didnt know until much later people had a problem with how it was handled.
GIVE US THE TEPPEI SUPER SLANDER
Teppei's demise kinda felt like a "red shirt" character to me. A character introduced specifically to be killed off later, adding little to the story and often there just to emphasize the potential danger around the important characters. I remember forgetting about Teppei WHILE playing the story because he wasn't that memorable or important to the plot. Meluse and Silver and even Chuychu were fully fleshed out characters that were important to the plot in relation to the "important characters" they were connected to. So when they died, it had major repercussion in the story, along with upsetting the player. My feeling is hoyo intended for Teppei to be a red shirt (they know how to do emotional damage with character deaths, Himeko anyone?), but I think at that point in the game, since it's not the climax before the end of act 1 or the 11 0clock number, they didn't want to present anything too emotionally jarring and build up for the more recent plot lines in Fontain and Natlan. Like in a musical, you don't have your big show stopping 11 o clock number in the middle of act one, you slowly build up to it as the penultimate number in the final act and take your audience by storm then.
I didn't realize the hate for Teppei was so... vehement 😅
I never really thought much of him since Inazuma, true, but I remember at the time people were still riding the "fuck Pallad" train, so I think that saved Teppei from scrutiny, for a while at least.
Edit: And the rest of the Inazuma Archon quest being poorly handled certainly helped spread the blame. 😂
yes pls dunk on Teppei next vid
tbh, Teppei death was just the part of bad written story throughout Inazuma conflict. He fought and perished for the wrong reason, which is for the sake of some selfish people who already have their vision confiscated (or threaten to be confiscated) by Shogunate. Something like, "they gonna rob our dream...blablabla." Well, ofc Watatsumi people also have the right to be mad because their deity's remnant was harvested for its lingering power. But I clearly remember an NPC in Narukami Island saying that he didn't care about the vision hunt decree since it won't affect him or most of Inazuma people because the main problem in Inazuma is the Sakoku decree which made Inazuma a closed country and could effect their economy. Imo, he was right.
Back to unlucky Teppei, he's so desperate to gain an instant super power, then accessed the Delusion while ignoring his General order. Well, I kinda understand why Teppei disregard Gorou. lol, Then we knew the rest of the story. But the worst is when the Traveler completely blind in rage over Teppei demise as if he's our lover or something. Cih. I still hate that story so much to this day every time someone mention "Teppei".
“Let me ask the Teppei enjoyers…”
Me: “There are Teppei enjoyers?”
Ngl for like two years I forgot Teppei existed until someone on Discord casually mentioned him.
@@Cosmic_Espeon it’s crazy but last time I had a video remotely dunking on teppei I had people rushing to declare their deep emotions for this man. (with zero reasoning why, ofc)
@@Edahs_exists perhaps their reasons are too powerful for us mortals to understand
I couldn't even remember teppei two minutes after he dies 😂 he's so boring.
Heh!? I didn't know Teppei died. Hm, maybe he was just that insignificant.
Let's not even compare Teppi to Melus and Silver. Even Tadhla's death in some random world quest was way better than Teppei for me.
When Teppei died, i kid you not, i had to double check to my friends who played the game longer than i did to confirm he's dead-ded. Traveler getting so angry over Teppei was puzzling to me. All those time i was asking in my head "why should i care for this NPC guy i barely know and spent time with???" Everytime he's on the screen all he talked about was his work and the delusion thing. Even when i was doing the quest, Teppei was never really there in the background of the quest like Tadhla or Melus and Silver did. Genuinely, why should I care that he died.
3:46 yes
Honestly the npc deaths in Natlan are far more impactful than Teppei...
Ah shit
Accidentally spoiled myself
I'd rather talk about how Citlali is the best granny. 👌 Over teppei xD
It is a two year apart, of course npc will get better stories.
BIG SPOILERS FOR NATLAN AQ ACT 4
What are you guys' thoughts on chuychu's death? Do you guys think it was well executed?
Personally I didn't really feel much? It felt like we'd barely seen her before she died. More screen time would have made more of an impact. I also felt like it was incredibly cheep how it was immediately used as justification for Chasca to get her ancient name. Idk, it immediately took me out of the grieving process and made her feel like a plot device.
@@hireathecho4 yeah lol, i ended up feeling like if chuychu died like 2 hours earlier everyone else would be saved 😭
@@guilhermecatapangraziotin3602 right?? I don't think that was the intended effect but like...
I feel numb cause I think others death are sadder, still bummed she died tho cause her design is fire
I felt the death was kinda chucked on but the one thing they got right was how when chacsas anicent name did its thing she wasnt even looking at the hologram talking she was still too concertrated on her sister it shows chascas emotions more that she wasnt happy that her sister had to die in order for that to happen
great stuff ;) buuuuut.... could you talk a bit slower? pleeeeease: it's hard following your flow with this speed ^^"
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