As I work my way through the History of Middle Earth series, these videos are a great resource to remember details I missed or to clarify complex histories that remain spread out in Tolkien's fragments. Its awesome to see the salted pork partnership with Lord of Maps.
I love the rings names, I think they would make great baby names! My nephew watches all your videos religiously, while I sit back and eat my salted pork. ;)
Will do 🥰. Also can you do a video on the Waning of the Dúnedain? How they became lesser with time, and their lifespans, wisdom, stature and strength waned. How they forgot their own architecture (forgetting how to build mighty things like Orthanc, The Rammas Echor, the Black Walls of Minas Tirith, Hornburg etc. To the point that by the late Third Age, most Gondorian commoners lived a mere 80 to 100 years. The high lords around 110 - 120 at most (the exclusions being the Stewards and his line and those of Dol Amroth (with somewhere around 130 - 135 years). Even the Dúnedain of the North, with a mere 130 - 175, the exception being Aragorn with 210 years by the end of his life (still a mere Shadow compared to his ancestors in pre-fall Nûmenor, who lived around 250 - 300 years or the kings with 350 - 450 approx). Sorry for the testament 😅, it is one of my favorite topics from the Legendarium.
Sauron: "Celebrimbor, where are the three Elven Rings?" Celebrimbor: "Nenya..." Sauron: "Yes, Nenya and the others" Celebrimbor: *leans in*, *whispers* "Nenya business"
I love how with Tolkien's elves versus other fantasy, instead of being so magical and immortal that they show an indifference to physical and temporal things, are more bound to the world and sensitive to its decay. Humans in contrast are more free and spared from weariness, due to their mortality and the mysterious fate of their spirits beyond the world. Also, has anyone else theorized a connection between the elven rings and the preserving nature of salted pork?
I wanted to say it charitably since they helped me find Tolkien eventually, but yeah I agree. Those elven races usually focus either on the arcane or the nature part, instead of being this nuanced.
I find the whole "preservation from the decay of time" particularly interesting. It seems that Lothlórien actually exists outside of the normal time-space-continuum. There are a few hints in "The Lord of the Rings" about this fact. For example, the members of the Fellowship don't seem to have an accurate perception of time while they stay there and later Sam discovers that more than a month has gone by despite the fact that they only stayed there for several days. Aragorn tells them that they have experienced time like the elves - as a river that flows both fast and slowly at the same time. Treebeard seems to know about this as well, because he tells the Hobbits that "they stay behind time [in Lórien]". Frodo seems to be especially perceptive about the extraordinary nature of Lórien (probably because he is the bearer of the One Ring); he describes Rivendell as a place were the memory of the elder days still lives on while in the Naith of Lórien, the elder days actually still continue. Perhaps this difference can be explained by the greater power of Galadriel?
both the Ring of Elrond and the one from Galadriel were very powerfull, however my guess it also depends on the nature of the bearer. Nenya could have been the more powerfull of all - it seems that Celebrimboor meant it to be wield by Galadriel alone ALL TIME (as there are hints of him infatuated with her however he couldn´t do that because she was his aunt and already happily married to Celeborn, so pretty much as Fëanor also got some similar incestuous inspiration of his unfullfilled love-admiration for his niece asking thrice in vain for a locket of her hair [which she actually give much later on THREE freely for Gimli, a rather more worthy and humble nice requester for that, being that another awesome theme to contrast and remember always], and because of it he made the Silmarills, so Celebrimboor did the same with the Rings of Power) - however as Gil-Galaad was the last High King of the Elves and the main wielder of Vilya, the ring was considered then the Mightiest of all, as he use it along his works against Sauron very actively, whereas Galadriel just kept if to hold on to defend her domains. Later on as, Elrond got Vilya, after Gil-Galaad knew by some vision or hunch, that he was not to survive the Last Alliance fight against Sauron, eventhough he might defeat him anyway, he was the next wielder but for sure, himself being actually a Half-Elf, not being close in all to the former bearer of the Ring who at once time, indeed have acheived a more mighty level of power than the Ring of Galadriel, because he was the High King then. So when the time of the Lord of the Rings story came, the relevance of Vilya was much of a legend after Gil-Galaad but not on true actual time since Elrond use it. Galadriel in other hand, now she didn´t have anything to rival her power, and mastered the use of the mightyness of Nenya at full lenght - thus also that way was how she got a hard trial when meeting the One Ring and almost nearly fall on the temptation to get it on her power too, though in the end, she succeded to overcome that trial, once more becoming worthy for returning to Valinor and acknowledging she must do that since her own power by her ring will be over some little time as long Frodo succeded his task. However, she wasn´t named a High Queen to rule all the High Elve lineages, eventhough she could have claimed it, and the power and the heritage rightfull to do it, but she accepted just the fate to not do it - maybe she was very haunted with memories on how all her family close-relatives who wanted power got doomed because of it, specially Fëanor and Celebrimboor in different ways for each one, so she didn´t seeked for it, untill the very end at the trial set by Frodo and the One Ring, which she succeded to avoid it once for all finishing the curse set on her family by the Valar. It seems there are some very antifeministic and very traditional conservative views about females when wielding power, about how they shouldn´t seek power on the same way as males do, eventhough they might be into a position of power earned legally by her own as one last resource finding themselves into that by others and by chance, not by their own will, which is a very true patriarchally traditional condesendant-protective way, fearing that if Galadriel seeked and acheived actively power on her own, she could be another form of evil potential even more dangerous and troublesome than Sauron or all the other male-menances at the story, as totally unleashing a more true unnatural wild force to action to which anyone is prepared to fight properly against it - some very missogynic fear upon the unexpectedly-convoluted and darker-mysterious way of thinking of female brain broking out of logics and reason when totally wild of full passionate instincts on a position of power, and not wisdom to self-moderate themselves. It´s very interesting how the more uncanny dangerous foes of all Tolkien work are females: Ungoliant, Shelob, Queen Beruthine of Gondor (with her cats) and of course, this dark Galadriel alternative-future version hinted to be. It seems that Tolkien idea, was very in tune with older classical traditional views, consolidated during his childhood and teenage years at late Victorian and the whole Edwardian ages of England, and over-all before WWI start at 1914, henceforth he though of women not seeking political-social power by their own will, neither seeking for more political-social power if they were already by change or chosen by others - men - on trust for that role, on a political-social appointment before. (He was somewhat also a bit rightfull on the more recent developments of feministic waves of their ideology, eventhough for a big while he has been proven also wrong on that conservative view.)
@Cannabis Dreams I always loved how she addressed him in the Hobbit trillogy to Sauron just as a "servant of Morgoth" which is actually a way to disminish his own power exposing him as a shade of the actual greater evil power already defeated before, and eventhough that scene of she confronting and expelling him from Dol-Guldur was a great addition to the Tolkien's lore adaptation on its own.
@@lhadzyan7300 Where are you even getting your third paragraph musings from? Galadriel WAS pretty much queen of her domain, much like Elrond. Everyone who might try to wield the One Ring is shown to be corrupted by it, except maybe Tom Bombadil, not just Galadriel (for instance Gandalf also denied it, just as she did, fearing corruption). Also pretty much all the characters who actually did fall to the Rings' corruption were male. Ungoliant and Shelob weren't just female, they also weren't human - so reading some sort of message about humanity into them is a stretch. Almost all the bad guys in LOTR are male, with Queen Beruthine being one of the only exceptions. How all this adds up to an "antifeministic" narrative is beyond me.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn well it´s kinda againts some later modern ideas about feminist empowerment, were females overall are thought of not handling power all on themselves or they could be corrupted by power as eventually happened to Ungoliant and Beruthine, and Galadriel kinda barely avoided the temptation too, because she as other mighty females in Tolkien legendarium are actually wiser on using the power as they SHARE IT and not use it on their own, avoiding thus the easy falling of corruption on males. However this is pretty much an antifeministic view as that movement actually calls much into female empowerment and supremacy alone on the same level as males did unapologetically avoiding sharing it with others, and so being much self-rulling leaders on their own either for good or worst of their people, which of course that was a sociocultural discourse that Tolkien was totally against it too, that´s how the lesser representatives of pure evil which are females are rather scarier than males on the same-level as they add a rather unexpected chaotic female nature to their schemes and deeds, and so Tolkien was indeed warning against the actual core of feminist empowerment-supremacy ideas which are in tune with that. Galadriel, Melian, Varda and alike are actually positive female roles which are against the dangers of feministic trends as they were rising up on Tolkien´s time under a cover of actual social justice matters but underlying that, the actual very-messed supremacy tendencies of today were already there since ever, but weren´t much noticed or acknowledged at their goals, but Tolkien somewhat knew about it, that´s why he was against feminist supremacy as it was ever underlying on the true core of that movement and it wasn´t just a recent trend of today.
It wasn’t until I started watching this and other Tolkien videos that I realized something about the elven realms of the Third Age; they don’t have any obvious fortifications. Geography aside, Rivendell and Lothlorien seem completely open compared the defensive structures built by dwarves and men, yet the ring bearers were able to keep them safe from enemies without constructed barriers. It’s also why Mirkwood was something of an outlier; Thranduil had no ring at his disposal, so his own halls were much more obviously built as a defensive stronghold.
@@AlejandraCamposGua Thank you. I’ve also done a bunch of editing on the Tolkien Gateway site, and I think part of this observation also came from my work there.
Fitting that Elrond bears Vilya the ring of air and his father, Eärendil the Silmaril in the air. Never thought of the 3 rings representing the fates of the 3 Silmarils, but it makes sense and a great bit of connection between Elrond and his father Eärendil. Great video Nerd of the Rings.
"But they were, all of them, decieved..." Seem like Annatar was the first one a bit decieved, Celebrimbor making these rings without his influence, thank Eru!
This video went a long way towards clearing up why there's no "Earth" ring, in that they are tied to where the silmarils vanished to. It makes things clearer to me. If it helps any Valentin, it sounds like the ring of fire is also the ring of heart.
@@Dark_Jaguar well ,thanks but I was just joking. I mean come one rings that have the power of the elements ! Someone just had to make a "Captain Planet " joke.
I think that all three of the Elven Rings also granted (or enhanced) the power of foresight to their bearers. Vilya, especially, would have been potent in this regard, since I suspect it also granted a limited degree of clairvoyance as well--fitting, considering that there is air everywhere, and it is the Ring of Air. This power is probably the reason that Vilya ended up in Elrond's hands to begin with; Gil-galad marched into the War of the Last Alliance with the _full prior knowledge_ that, win or lose, he was going to be slain in the final battle at Sauron's hand. The combined powers of foresight and clairvoyance are what makes Elrond seem so all-knowing, despite the fact that he basically never leaves Rivendell, which in turn receives _few_ visitors, and only on _rare_ occasions; he doesn't _need_ to go anywhere to get a solid grasp on the big-picture of the happenings in Middle-Earth. This ring essentially put him on-par with the Elves of _considerably_ older generations, such as Galadriel.
These rings could be why Galadriel reminds Elrond that they foresaw Frodo's life in extreme danger because of the One Ring, and why Elrond could see Arwen's death from heartbreak (although I'm only speaking as a movie-only fan)
I like how the 3 elven rings (fire, water, and air) correspond to the final fates of the 3 silmarils. One was lost in a fiery chasm. One was thrown into the sea. And the last sails the skies.
I have absolutely RAN through all of your videos. Love how you break down all the stories and lore but still make it feel like a narrative story. You truly are the SALTED PORK of youtube channels.
I don't know about healing, but the element of air has been connected to clairvoyance and other similar powers in different things that I have read. So maybe the power of Vilya was the ability to use/enhancement of those type of powers. They say knowledge is power after all. Of course, it could (and probably is) something completely different.
I love that there are fans who really delve into the lore on this level like you Nerd of the Rings. I’ll have to buy you some salted pork sometime to thank you for your hard work.
@@NerdoftheRings Thanks!! I’ve seen what I’m guessing are screenshots from your videos on Reddit and now I know the source… I have some catching up to do.
Did Cirdan have a beard? In the new books they state that Numenoreans did not have beards, since they are decendendent of elves, yet Cirdan is an Elf and has been stated to have a beard.
Great question! It's something that has somewhat conflicting statements from Tolkien, but it seems most likely that certain elves could only grow beards when they are exceptionally old. Cirdan, having been around since Cuivienen, is the oldest elf ever to have their physical appearance described - at the end of ROTK.
Only 2 elves who had beards came to mind Mahtan father of Nerdanel (wife of Feanor) and Círdan, I believe Círdan was in the 3rd cycle of his life and Mahtan actually grew his at an early age roughly around his 2nd Age cycle.
So there is a statement in LotR comparing Lorien to Rivendell which essentially states that the puryfing power of Nenya was much greater than for Vilya. However Rivendell is always considered the place the Hobbits (and most other folk) are most happy and content at which is supporting the theory that Vilya's healing powers were the greatest (altough it is said of all three that they could aid in healing). Very good video, I'm really looking forward to the one on the dwarven rings 👍
I love how Cindar passes the ring to Gandalf: it is not his, but a tool for his mission: not a gift, not for his own defense or power, but for service. 8:10 Agree. If Glorfindel could not help, the ring must be important here.
Love how informative this channel is, and so glad to get a chance to discover you through Lord of Maps! I admit I came for the salted pork, but I’ll definitely be staying to learn more about my favorite book series 😊
Just binged a few of your videos in the wake of finishing the Rings of Power. You're really doing gods work here, friend. Your videos are such a deep-dive into Tolkien's world. Thanks for doing these, they are so inspiring.
“Salted Pork” I follow Lord of Maps because I love the style he uses for the maps. Naturally I grew up with LotR from my dad and he was majorly obsessed with map reading and fantasy worlds like Tolkien’s. I love your channel and I’m glad I was brought to it!
You’re videos are amazing, there so will edited and researched. I just want thank you for giving me an amazing escape from it all I love Tolkien’s world so much and visiting it in you’re Chanel makes me so happy:) thanks again man❤️.
Another great video. I love them all actually. You put in so much detail. It's amazing. If I had to pick witch videos I thought were gold were the morgoth videos.
I really enjoyed this video. It's a great breakdown of the Three. You do an incredible job of breaking down extremely complex concepts within the works of Middle Earth in 20 minutes or less.
Another great video! My understanding is that the Three Rings aren't just an allusions to the fate of the three Silmarils but it's more that in Tolkien's world, there are three basic elements: Air, Water, and Fire (though sometimes fire is blended a bit with earth). Even the three kindreds of elves tie-in to this theme. The Vanyar are associated with the Air as they are closest to Manwe, lord of eagles and mountains. The Teleri are associated to water, be it the sea (Falmari), the shores (Falathrim) or rivers (Nandor). The Noldor are associated with earth and fire, as they're craftsmen and forgers. Given that though, I am curious why the Ring associated with Water is the chief, when air is the element associated with Manwe, the King of Arda. I'd have thought air would be the supreme ring, and as the video says it is the most powerful. So why not have it be the chief ring of the Three?
Great video Matt! I love how each ring was made to crafted to just like their natural elements Air, fire and water. I’ve always wondered why Tolkien made it that Vilya was the most powerful if Nenya was the chief of the 3 elven rings
My interpretation is that when crafting the rings they could determin which one was the chief ring, but only after they finnished crafting it were they abel to tell which one was more powerful.
I think it’s sort of how Ilmare is the chief of the Maiar, but Eonwe is the most powerful. One has more authority over others, while the other has greater individual strengths. Though I always felt that it should be the opposite for the Rings- Nenya the greatest and Vilya the chief.
You should do a what-if type series. There are arguments online about who is more powerful and who would win in a fight, etc. Gandalf vs Glorfindel is a big one. I'd love to hear your analysis on some of these controversial power scale fights.
I always felt that the “Three elven Kings under the sky” were allegory for Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe, rather than Gil-Galad, Galadriel and Cirdan. It would make sense as Ingwe = air and he is High King of all the Eldar, like Gil-Galad has authority in Middle-earth. Elwe=water, like Galadriel who dwell in a forest with a magical barrier, and seemed to be the most noble of the three. Finwe=Fire, and I like to think that Celebrimbor would have kept that one for himself, as he was the greatest craftsman in Middle Earth. However, he had to send it to Gil-Galad to keep it safe from Sauron, and Gil-Galad gave it to Cirdan.
Yeah. The bearers of the three rings were definitely not who Celebrimbor had in mind when making them. But more oddly, the text implies that the rings were *worn* by unnamed elves in Eregion when Sauron put his on, since they immediately took them off. That suggests that the three intended bearers all lived in Eregion and died unmarked during Sauron's assault. (I am assuming that, before Sauron's treachery was revealed, Celebrimbor wasn't letting random people wear the rings, which might be incorrect.)
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What a brilliant explanation and presentation! Thank you so much for clarifying some of the issues surrounding the rings. Subscribed and extremely well liked - even if there isn't a button for such a thing! Excellent.
May I also point out that Galadriel uses water (and undoubtedly the power of the ring) to show Frodo and Sam possible futures. It is likely she “gamed out “ a great number of them before guiding the Fellowship and her grand-daughter, Arwen.
I've never been interested in Lord of the Rings, but your presentation style is amazing! It definitely piqued my interest and kept my attention despite knowing nothing about the lore coming in. I may have a new interest to fill in for my newly kicked salted pork addiction.
I'm loving this channel so much and trying to get into the lore, but it's hard to know where to start! Like listening to this video, I get lost easily when the lore covers a lot of the people, events, and creatures that I've yet to dive into. Where would be a good place to start on this channel?
I’m currently watching LOTR movies with my son, so these videos are great at providing additional context as we watch and talk about the movies, characters, places, ect.. Keep up the great videos. I also checked out lord of maps really great art. Would love to win a map. Salted Pork.
Great video! Pairs well with salted pork! I always thought Narya's history in the Lord of the Rings was one of the most important yet subtle details to understanding Gandalf's character.
Dang. I need some Salted Pork! These videos rock though. I don't have the time anymore to read all of Tolkien's work, but I love the lore! So thank you for making these simple videos for us!
Thank you so much for your all of your excellent videos. They're really what inspired me recently to dive deep into the legendarium. Also a sponsor I can totally get behind. The salted pork is particularly good. Keep up the amazing work!
Another great video! I've been reading the books and watching your videos simultaneously and it's been awesome. I'd love to see you cover the languages of Middle-Earth in future videos! There is PLENTY of material and since Tolkien was a philologist himself, it's a great way to understand his work. Thanks!
I love the feeling of confusion every time I get into some Tolkien story. So many names, dates, salted pork, information, etc. keep doing videos like this! You're the best
I really like your videos, it’s a good “cliff notes” for all the history. But my favorite stuff is when you color in some of your own thoughts when Tolkien didn’t fill in the blanks. You do it sometimes, but I think you could do more, I want 20-30 minutes from you with your own thoughts or comments. Not just bullet points. But I love your channel! Keep it up!
Also, I don’t fully understand the power of the one ring. Aside from turning evil, if you exclude that, what could the one ring actually do for you? Also, why can someone turn invisible, but not sauron?
I know your channel has plans for your videos ahead of time. I would just like to ask if you could do more life videos on the Dwarves of Middle-Earth. You guys do an amazing job and am glad I found your channel.
Lol why does Cìrdan look like he should be on the cover of some Harlequin romance novel? Step aside Fabìo, Cìrdan the Shipwright is here with his mast.🔥
Excellent video! Your voice is so calming as well. 😊 I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the meaning of Nenya being “chief” among the three in contrast to Villya being “mightiest.” 🤓
Being the Bearer of the Secret fire of Anor and the bearer of Narya the ring of fire is probably how Gandalf was able the resist and defeat the Balrog of Moria! Giving Gandalf resistance to fire magic that the Balrog used!
Ok, this is super informative while still being approachable - I’d feel ok showing this to friends who are getting into the show/liked the movies who didn’t read the books - maybe watch while eating salted pork
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Matt, thanks for the great video on the Three Elven Rings. I just wish you had given us your take on where the power comes from and how Sauron was connected to the Three. Sauron didn't touch them so it could not have been "his" power unless he poured his power into the materials that were used in the making of all the Rings of Power. Yet he clearly is connected to the Elven Rings and seemingly is able to control any elf who wears one while he is in possession of The One Ring. One poster gave a convincing argument that a formula that went into making the rings endowed them with power. So, what say you?
I recently started watching an anime called Jujutsu Kaisen, and in one scene the main character is forced to watch movies as part of his training. At the end of his training, the scene between Froto and Sam crying and hugging was playing on his TV and it was just hilarious lol. Thought I'd share.
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As I work my way through the History of Middle Earth series, these videos are a great resource to remember details I missed or to clarify complex histories that remain spread out in Tolkien's fragments. Its awesome to see the salted pork partnership with Lord of Maps.
Do the seven rings of the dwarves after
I love the rings names, I think they would make great baby names!
My nephew watches all your videos religiously, while I sit back and eat my salted pork. ;)
Why didn't you show the arrival of the blue wizards with the other three?
Will do 🥰.
Also can you do a video on the Waning of the Dúnedain?
How they became lesser with time, and their lifespans, wisdom, stature and strength waned. How they forgot their own architecture (forgetting how to build mighty things like Orthanc, The Rammas Echor, the Black Walls of Minas Tirith, Hornburg etc.
To the point that by the late Third Age, most Gondorian commoners lived a mere 80 to 100 years. The high lords around 110 - 120 at most (the exclusions being the Stewards and his line and those of Dol Amroth (with somewhere around 130 - 135 years). Even the Dúnedain of the North, with a mere 130 - 175, the exception being Aragorn with 210 years by the end of his life (still a mere Shadow compared to his ancestors in pre-fall Nûmenor, who lived around 250 - 300 years or the kings with 350 - 450 approx).
Sorry for the testament 😅, it is one of my favorite topics from the Legendarium.
Sauron: "Celebrimbor, where are the three Elven Rings?"
Celebrimbor: "Nenya..."
Sauron: "Yes, Nenya and the others"
Celebrimbor: *leans in*, *whispers* "Nenya business"
lol winning
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So is Celebrimbor
I see. The reason why sauron killed him. 😄
*gets impaled in the ass*
It makes sense that Sauron's Ring would be plain in appearance. He hides his malice and power through a Fair Form.
Look fair, feel foul.
@@SeyhawksNow
Gandalf said a shadow fell on his heart when he, Bilbo, and the Dwarves got past the Hithaeglir, though he did not know the cause.
Had that beautifully dark inscription only seen by fire too
doesn't have to look fancy when it's got the kind of power it does
Cause he Basic
I love how with Tolkien's elves versus other fantasy, instead of being so magical and immortal that they show an indifference to physical and temporal things, are more bound to the world and sensitive to its decay. Humans in contrast are more free and spared from weariness, due to their mortality and the mysterious fate of their spirits beyond the world. Also, has anyone else theorized a connection between the elven rings and the preserving nature of salted pork?
Well that's because many other fantasy elves are very weak copies of tolkien elves
I wanted to say it charitably since they helped me find Tolkien eventually, but yeah I agree. Those elven races usually focus either on the arcane or the nature part, instead of being this nuanced.
@@taylorlewis6931 exactly, they capture the same general vibe and look of tolkein's elves but without any of the depth and complexity
Only one who has done a day's work may be bearer of a ring of power.
Did a hobbit hack your phone for that last bit?
I find the whole "preservation from the decay of time" particularly interesting. It seems that Lothlórien actually exists outside of the normal time-space-continuum. There are a few hints in "The Lord of the Rings" about this fact. For example, the members of the Fellowship don't seem to have an accurate perception of time while they stay there and later Sam discovers that more than a month has gone by despite the fact that they only stayed there for several days. Aragorn tells them that they have experienced time like the elves - as a river that flows both fast and slowly at the same time. Treebeard seems to know about this as well, because he tells the Hobbits that "they stay behind time [in Lórien]".
Frodo seems to be especially perceptive about the extraordinary nature of Lórien (probably because he is the bearer of the One Ring); he describes Rivendell as a place were the memory of the elder days still lives on while in the Naith of Lórien, the elder days actually still continue. Perhaps this difference can be explained by the greater power of Galadriel?
This is a good obversation, which I entirely agree with.
both the Ring of Elrond and the one from Galadriel were very powerfull, however my guess it also depends on the nature of the bearer. Nenya could have been the more powerfull of all - it seems that Celebrimboor meant it to be wield by Galadriel alone ALL TIME (as there are hints of him infatuated with her however he couldn´t do that because she was his aunt and already happily married to Celeborn, so pretty much as Fëanor also got some similar incestuous inspiration of his unfullfilled love-admiration for his niece asking thrice in vain for a locket of her hair [which she actually give much later on THREE freely for Gimli, a rather more worthy and humble nice requester for that, being that another awesome theme to contrast and remember always], and because of it he made the Silmarills, so Celebrimboor did the same with the Rings of Power) - however as Gil-Galaad was the last High King of the Elves and the main wielder of Vilya, the ring was considered then the Mightiest of all, as he use it along his works against Sauron very actively, whereas Galadriel just kept if to hold on to defend her domains.
Later on as, Elrond got Vilya, after Gil-Galaad knew by some vision or hunch, that he was not to survive the Last Alliance fight against Sauron, eventhough he might defeat him anyway, he was the next wielder but for sure, himself being actually a Half-Elf, not being close in all to the former bearer of the Ring who at once time, indeed have acheived a more mighty level of power than the Ring of Galadriel, because he was the High King then. So when the time of the Lord of the Rings story came, the relevance of Vilya was much of a legend after Gil-Galaad but not on true actual time since Elrond use it. Galadriel in other hand, now she didn´t have anything to rival her power, and mastered the use of the mightyness of Nenya at full lenght - thus also that way was how she got a hard trial when meeting the One Ring and almost nearly fall on the temptation to get it on her power too, though in the end, she succeded to overcome that trial, once more becoming worthy for returning to Valinor and acknowledging she must do that since her own power by her ring will be over some little time as long Frodo succeded his task. However, she wasn´t named a High Queen to rule all the High Elve lineages, eventhough she could have claimed it, and the power and the heritage rightfull to do it, but she accepted just the fate to not do it - maybe she was very haunted with memories on how all her family close-relatives who wanted power got doomed because of it, specially Fëanor and Celebrimboor in different ways for each one, so she didn´t seeked for it, untill the very end at the trial set by Frodo and the One Ring, which she succeded to avoid it once for all finishing the curse set on her family by the Valar.
It seems there are some very antifeministic and very traditional conservative views about females when wielding power, about how they shouldn´t seek power on the same way as males do, eventhough they might be into a position of power earned legally by her own as one last resource finding themselves into that by others and by chance, not by their own will, which is a very true patriarchally traditional condesendant-protective way, fearing that if Galadriel seeked and acheived actively power on her own, she could be another form of evil potential even more dangerous and troublesome than Sauron or all the other male-menances at the story, as totally unleashing a more true unnatural wild force to action to which anyone is prepared to fight properly against it - some very missogynic fear upon the unexpectedly-convoluted and darker-mysterious way of thinking of female brain broking out of logics and reason when totally wild of full passionate instincts on a position of power, and not wisdom to self-moderate themselves. It´s very interesting how the more uncanny dangerous foes of all Tolkien work are females: Ungoliant, Shelob, Queen Beruthine of Gondor (with her cats) and of course, this dark Galadriel alternative-future version hinted to be.
It seems that Tolkien idea, was very in tune with older classical traditional views, consolidated during his childhood and teenage years at late Victorian and the whole Edwardian ages of England, and over-all before WWI start at 1914, henceforth he though of women not seeking political-social power by their own will, neither seeking for more political-social power if they were already by change or chosen by others - men - on trust for that role, on a political-social appointment before. (He was somewhat also a bit rightfull on the more recent developments of feministic waves of their ideology, eventhough for a big while he has been proven also wrong on that conservative view.)
@Cannabis Dreams I always loved how she addressed him in the Hobbit trillogy to Sauron just as a "servant of Morgoth" which is actually a way to disminish his own power exposing him as a shade of the actual greater evil power already defeated before, and eventhough that scene of she confronting and expelling him from Dol-Guldur was a great addition to the Tolkien's lore adaptation on its own.
@@lhadzyan7300 Where are you even getting your third paragraph musings from? Galadriel WAS pretty much queen of her domain, much like Elrond. Everyone who might try to wield the One Ring is shown to be corrupted by it, except maybe Tom Bombadil, not just Galadriel (for instance Gandalf also denied it, just as she did, fearing corruption). Also pretty much all the characters who actually did fall to the Rings' corruption were male. Ungoliant and Shelob weren't just female, they also weren't human - so reading some sort of message about humanity into them is a stretch. Almost all the bad guys in LOTR are male, with Queen Beruthine being one of the only exceptions. How all this adds up to an "antifeministic" narrative is beyond me.
@@ArawnOfAnnwn well it´s kinda againts some later modern ideas about feminist empowerment, were females overall are thought of not handling power all on themselves or they could be corrupted by power as eventually happened to Ungoliant and Beruthine, and Galadriel kinda barely avoided the temptation too, because she as other mighty females in Tolkien legendarium are actually wiser on using the power as they SHARE IT and not use it on their own, avoiding thus the easy falling of corruption on males.
However this is pretty much an antifeministic view as that movement actually calls much into female empowerment and supremacy alone on the same level as males did unapologetically avoiding sharing it with others, and so being much self-rulling leaders on their own either for good or worst of their people, which of course that was a sociocultural discourse that Tolkien was totally against it too, that´s how the lesser representatives of pure evil which are females are rather scarier than males on the same-level as they add a rather unexpected chaotic female nature to their schemes and deeds, and so Tolkien was indeed warning against the actual core of feminist empowerment-supremacy ideas which are in tune with that.
Galadriel, Melian, Varda and alike are actually positive female roles which are against the dangers of feministic trends as they were rising up on Tolkien´s time under a cover of actual social justice matters but underlying that, the actual very-messed supremacy tendencies of today were already there since ever, but weren´t much noticed or acknowledged at their goals, but Tolkien somewhat knew about it, that´s why he was against feminist supremacy as it was ever underlying on the true core of that movement and it wasn´t just a recent trend of today.
It wasn’t until I started watching this and other Tolkien videos that I realized something about the elven realms of the Third Age; they don’t have any obvious fortifications. Geography aside, Rivendell and Lothlorien seem completely open compared the defensive structures built by dwarves and men, yet the ring bearers were able to keep them safe from enemies without constructed barriers. It’s also why Mirkwood was something of an outlier; Thranduil had no ring at his disposal, so his own halls were much more obviously built as a defensive stronghold.
Great insight!
@@AlejandraCamposGua Thank you. I’ve also done a bunch of editing on the Tolkien Gateway site, and I think part of this observation also came from my work there.
Fitting that Elrond bears Vilya the ring of air and his father, Eärendil the Silmaril in the air. Never thought of the 3 rings representing the fates of the 3 Silmarils, but it makes sense and a great bit of connection between Elrond and his father Eärendil. Great video Nerd of the Rings.
"But they were, all of them, decieved..."
Seem like Annatar was the first one a bit decieved, Celebrimbor making these rings without his influence, thank Eru!
Sauron could dish it out...
“Evil cannot create anything new, it can only spoil and destroy what good forces have invented and created.”
-JRR Tolkien
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So what the hell were dragons?
Too bad there weren't two more ring for earth and heart. Then the elves could have used them to summon Captain Planet to fight Sauron .
Captain Midgard
This video went a long way towards clearing up why there's no "Earth" ring, in that they are tied to where the silmarils vanished to. It makes things clearer to me. If it helps any Valentin, it sounds like the ring of fire is also the ring of heart.
@@Dark_Jaguar well ,thanks but I was just joking. I mean come one rings that have the power of the elements ! Someone just had to make a "Captain Planet " joke.
I definitely was thinking about the 2 missing elements haha...
Captain Arda, He's a Hero
Gonna bring Dark Lords to zero
I think that all three of the Elven Rings also granted (or enhanced) the power of foresight to their bearers. Vilya, especially, would have been potent in this regard, since I suspect it also granted a limited degree of clairvoyance as well--fitting, considering that there is air everywhere, and it is the Ring of Air.
This power is probably the reason that Vilya ended up in Elrond's hands to begin with; Gil-galad marched into the War of the Last Alliance with the _full prior knowledge_ that, win or lose, he was going to be slain in the final battle at Sauron's hand. The combined powers of foresight and clairvoyance are what makes Elrond seem so all-knowing, despite the fact that he basically never leaves Rivendell, which in turn receives _few_ visitors, and only on _rare_ occasions; he doesn't _need_ to go anywhere to get a solid grasp on the big-picture of the happenings in Middle-Earth. This ring essentially put him on-par with the Elves of _considerably_ older generations, such as Galadriel.
These rings could be why Galadriel reminds Elrond that they foresaw Frodo's life in extreme danger because of the One Ring, and why Elrond could see Arwen's death from heartbreak (although I'm only speaking as a movie-only fan)
"As the dominion of man begins, the time of the Elves, and their rings, comes to a close."
That was a beautiful way to end this video!
I've been trying to understand the three rings a lot more recently, so this is perfect timing aha!
Its beautiful and loaded with a whole world you barely even touch with just the movies , i love these videos.
I like how the 3 elven rings (fire, water, and air) correspond to the final fates of the 3 silmarils. One was lost in a fiery chasm. One was thrown into the sea. And the last sails the skies.
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I don't know about healing, but the element of air has been connected to clairvoyance and other similar powers in different things that I have read. So maybe the power of Vilya was the ability to use/enhancement of those type of powers. They say knowledge is power after all. Of course, it could (and probably is) something completely different.
This is my favorite Middle Earth channel. I only wish that you could post more videos faster.
I love that there are fans who really delve into the lore on this level like you Nerd of the Rings. I’ll have to buy you some salted pork sometime to thank you for your hard work.
Came for the SALTED PORK, staying for the incredible art in your videos! Subscribed!
Thanks! And welcome from Instagram! :)
@@NerdoftheRings Thanks!! I’ve seen what I’m guessing are screenshots from your videos on Reddit and now I know the source… I have some catching up to do.
Did Cirdan have a beard? In the new books they state that Numenoreans did not have beards, since they are decendendent of elves, yet Cirdan is an Elf and has been stated to have a beard.
Great question! It's something that has somewhat conflicting statements from Tolkien, but it seems most likely that certain elves could only grow beards when they are exceptionally old. Cirdan, having been around since Cuivienen, is the oldest elf ever to have their physical appearance described - at the end of ROTK.
False beard.
@@NerdoftheRings Thanks for answering. Do you think that leaves it open for very old Numenoreans to have beards?
Only 2 elves who had beards came to mind Mahtan father of Nerdanel (wife of Feanor) and Círdan, I believe Círdan was in the 3rd cycle of his life and Mahtan actually grew his at an early age roughly around his 2nd Age cycle.
Cirdan is ‘Ancient’ so why not..??
I've always wanted more information on the three. Great presentation!
Thanks so much! The seven, the nine, and the one will be getting their own videos as well!
@@NerdoftheRings Looking forward to it!
And technically, Nenya is made of two elements: mithril and carbon.
BTW, I wonder if the Mouth of Sauron bore one of the surviving Dwarf Rings.
Nerd of the rings truly is the most self-appreciating channel name of all time.
Nice! I had been requesting indepth videos about the rings of power for a while now! Glad to see them finally get made.
So there is a statement in LotR comparing Lorien to Rivendell which essentially states that the puryfing power of Nenya was much greater than for Vilya. However Rivendell is always considered the place the Hobbits (and most other folk) are most happy and content at which is supporting the theory that Vilya's healing powers were the greatest (altough it is said of all three that they could aid in healing).
Very good video, I'm really looking forward to the one on the dwarven rings 👍
"But they were all of them deceived, for another ring was made."
- Gladriel
I love how Cindar passes the ring to Gandalf: it is not his, but a tool for his mission: not a gift, not for his own defense or power, but for service.
8:10 Agree. If Glorfindel could not help, the ring must be important here.
Love how informative this channel is, and so glad to get a chance to discover you through Lord of Maps! I admit I came for the salted pork, but I’ll definitely be staying to learn more about my favorite book series 😊
My wife just asked me about the rings of power yesterday. Glad to have this to refer to!
Elrond's Ring gave him the power of tanking all that emotional scars he had through the years.
I like how you narrate the story. Easy to understand.
I really love how you give props to the artists who made the art you use for your videos.
Just binged a few of your videos in the wake of finishing the Rings of Power. You're really doing gods work here, friend. Your videos are such a deep-dive into Tolkien's world. Thanks for doing these, they are so inspiring.
I kind of love how Cirdan is low key in every video. Like he was just hanging around for the entire history of Middle Earth 😂
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I follow Lord of Maps because I love the style he uses for the maps. Naturally I grew up with LotR from my dad and he was majorly obsessed with map reading and fantasy worlds like Tolkien’s. I love your channel and I’m glad I was brought to it!
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Another great video. I love them all actually. You put in so much detail. It's amazing. If I had to pick witch videos I thought were gold were the morgoth videos.
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I really enjoyed this video. It's a great breakdown of the Three. You do an incredible job of breaking down extremely complex concepts within the works of Middle Earth in 20 minutes or less.
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Another great video!
My understanding is that the Three Rings aren't just an allusions to the fate of the three Silmarils but it's more that in Tolkien's world, there are three basic elements: Air, Water, and Fire (though sometimes fire is blended a bit with earth). Even the three kindreds of elves tie-in to this theme. The Vanyar are associated with the Air as they are closest to Manwe, lord of eagles and mountains. The Teleri are associated to water, be it the sea (Falmari), the shores (Falathrim) or rivers (Nandor). The Noldor are associated with earth and fire, as they're craftsmen and forgers.
Given that though, I am curious why the Ring associated with Water is the chief, when air is the element associated with Manwe, the King of Arda. I'd have thought air would be the supreme ring, and as the video says it is the most powerful. So why not have it be the chief ring of the Three?
The Three are Fire, Water and Air, the One completes the elements and is Earth how brilliant is that
Great video Matt! I love how each ring was made to crafted to just like their natural elements Air, fire and water. I’ve always wondered why Tolkien made it that Vilya was the most powerful if Nenya was the chief of the 3 elven rings
A king's champion may be more powerful than the king, but the king is still their king.
My interpretation is that when crafting the rings they could determin which one was the chief ring, but only after they finnished crafting it were they abel to tell which one was more powerful.
I think it’s sort of how Ilmare is the chief of the Maiar, but Eonwe is the most powerful.
One has more authority over others, while the other has greater individual strengths.
Though I always felt that it should be the opposite for the Rings- Nenya the greatest and Vilya the chief.
Learning a lot here. Thanks man
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This video is everything!!! Thank you for making it! I love anything Elven related!
You should do a what-if type series. There are arguments online about who is more powerful and who would win in a fight, etc. Gandalf vs Glorfindel is a big one. I'd love to hear your analysis on some of these controversial power scale fights.
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I personally love the theory about Vilya to enhance the wisdom and healing capacity of the wearer
This is great, would love to dive into the more fantastical/magical elements of the legendarium
I always felt that the “Three elven Kings under the sky” were allegory for Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe, rather than Gil-Galad, Galadriel and Cirdan.
It would make sense as Ingwe = air and he is High King of all the Eldar, like Gil-Galad has authority in Middle-earth. Elwe=water, like Galadriel who dwell in a forest with a magical barrier, and seemed to be the most noble of the three.
Finwe=Fire, and I like to think that Celebrimbor would have kept that one for himself, as he was the greatest craftsman in Middle Earth. However, he had to send it to Gil-Galad to keep it safe from Sauron, and Gil-Galad gave it to Cirdan.
Yeah. The bearers of the three rings were definitely not who Celebrimbor had in mind when making them. But more oddly, the text implies that the rings were *worn* by unnamed elves in Eregion when Sauron put his on, since they immediately took them off. That suggests that the three intended bearers all lived in Eregion and died unmarked during Sauron's assault.
(I am assuming that, before Sauron's treachery was revealed, Celebrimbor wasn't letting random people wear the rings, which might be incorrect.)
@@Duiker36 On top of that, in the end an elven ring was possessed for a long time by a non-elven: Gandalf.
Thank you, for bringing us the in depth explanation in each video. Keep up the most excellent work!
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What a brilliant explanation and presentation! Thank you so much for clarifying some of the issues surrounding the rings. Subscribed and extremely well liked - even if there isn't a button for such a thing! Excellent.
May I also point out that Galadriel uses water (and undoubtedly the power of the ring) to show Frodo and Sam possible futures. It is likely she “gamed out “ a great number of them before guiding the Fellowship and her grand-daughter, Arwen.
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7:34 that is one beautiful depiction of Galadriel 😍
Such a well produced channel. I just wish I had more time to watch them all!! Lord of Maps needs to start doing local UK maps too!
I've never been interested in Lord of the Rings, but your presentation style is amazing! It definitely piqued my interest and kept my attention despite knowing nothing about the lore coming in. I may have a new interest to fill in for my newly kicked salted pork addiction.
I'm loving this channel so much and trying to get into the lore, but it's hard to know where to start! Like listening to this video, I get lost easily when the lore covers a lot of the people, events, and creatures that I've yet to dive into. Where would be a good place to start on this channel?
I’m currently watching LOTR movies with my son, so these videos are great at providing additional context as we watch and talk about the movies, characters, places, ect.. Keep up the great videos.
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Great Explanation of the rings.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it
Great video! Pairs well with salted pork! I always thought Narya's history in the Lord of the Rings was one of the most important yet subtle details to understanding Gandalf's character.
I found this channel via Lordofmaps, but instantly love it more than salted pork!
Great video, one of the most fascinating LOTR vids I’ve seen in quite some time
I just want to say that you do such a good job on these videos. Thank you for the amazing content.
Great video! Really helped me to see more of the beauty in this amazing story!
Dang. I need some Salted Pork!
These videos rock though. I don't have the time anymore to read all of Tolkien's work, but I love the lore! So thank you for making these simple videos for us!
always love learning more about the depth of tolkien
also i love this collab w salted pork! :)
Thank you so much for your all of your excellent videos. They're really what inspired me recently to dive deep into the legendarium. Also a sponsor I can totally get behind. The salted pork is particularly good.
Keep up the amazing work!
Absolutely wonderful overview of the three rings of Elves. Thank you.
I definitely loved the opening scene of the Fellowship with the respective rings of power
Love this channel. It's been fun learning so much about this interesting world in an easily-digestible format
Another great video! I've been reading the books and watching your videos simultaneously and it's been awesome. I'd love to see you cover the languages of Middle-Earth in future videos! There is PLENTY of material and since Tolkien was a philologist himself, it's a great way to understand his work. Thanks!
Thanks for clarifying the lore for us! I definitely need to revisit the Silmarilion and other writings- along with salted pork! 😉
I love the feeling of confusion every time I get into some Tolkien story. So many names, dates, salted pork, information, etc. keep doing videos like this! You're the best
I really like your videos, it’s a good “cliff notes” for all the history. But my favorite stuff is when you color in some of your own thoughts when Tolkien didn’t fill in the blanks. You do it sometimes, but I think you could do more, I want 20-30 minutes from you with your own thoughts or comments. Not just bullet points. But I love your channel! Keep it up!
Also, I don’t fully understand the power of the one ring. Aside from turning evil, if you exclude that, what could the one ring actually do for you? Also, why can someone turn invisible, but not sauron?
I know your channel has plans for your videos ahead of time. I would just like to ask if you could do more life videos on the Dwarves of Middle-Earth. You guys do an amazing job and am glad I found your channel.
Lol why does Cìrdan look like he should be on the cover of some Harlequin romance novel? Step aside Fabìo, Cìrdan the Shipwright is here with his mast.🔥
Mast of ancient hardwood.
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Excellent video! Your voice is so calming as well. 😊 I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the meaning of Nenya being “chief” among the three in contrast to Villya being “mightiest.” 🤓
Being the Bearer of the Secret fire of Anor and the bearer of Narya the
ring of fire is probably how Gandalf was able the resist and defeat the
Balrog of Moria! Giving Gandalf resistance to fire magic that the
Balrog used!
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Ok, this is super informative while still being approachable - I’d feel ok showing this to friends who are getting into the show/liked the movies who didn’t read the books - maybe watch while eating salted pork
Celebrimbor had some sick gains.
I hope you maybe make a relics video covering stuff like the Evenstar. Ive always wanted to have a better understanding of its significance and power!
Great video! Thanks for making it
Patrons of Lord of Maps should know that the northwestern region of New Zealand's South Island (where many LOTR film scenes were shot) is more or less a solid rank of densely forested, massive mountains - not a random area of scattered hills as represented by the company. I have hiked that area many times, and the vistas are incredible - making Lord of Maps' interpretation of them all the more regrettable.
Thanks for this video. Yesterday I finally finished the book trilogy and was wondering why they kept the rings and never got corrupted.
Matt, thanks for the great video on the Three Elven Rings. I just wish you had given us your take on where the power comes from and how Sauron was connected to the Three. Sauron didn't touch them so it could not have been "his" power unless he poured his power into the materials that were used in the making of all the Rings of Power. Yet he clearly is connected to the Elven Rings and seemingly is able to control any elf who wears one while he is in possession of The One Ring. One poster gave a convincing argument that a formula that went into making the rings endowed them with power. So, what say you?
If the elven rings were free from Sauron's corruption then why did they take them off?
“Salted pork” brought me here but now I’m down a rabbit hole about stuff in LOTR I didn’t even know existed!!!
Thanks for explaining. I never fully understood what the three rings of the elves does and why they didn't fall for the One ring.
I recently started watching an anime called Jujutsu Kaisen, and in one scene the main character is forced to watch movies as part of his training. At the end of his training, the scene between Froto and Sam crying and hugging was playing on his TV and it was just hilarious lol. Thought I'd share.
This content is great - super informative. Well done! I will be coming back for more. Will you please do a video on the lore of salted pork?