Toji vs Idle Transfiguration

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  • Опубліковано 24 лип 2024
  • The body vs the soul is one of the biggest debates within the world of Jujutsu Kaisen. In this video I will be taking an interesting look on that debate and ask the question... Would Idle Transfiguration Work on Toji?
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  • @reaps2661
    @reaps2661 Рік тому +4231

    basically if yuji's a natural enemy, toji's more like an actual predator

    • @apenasumdesenhistaeso159
      @apenasumdesenhistaeso159 Рік тому +155

      This comment is so funny and i can't explain why

    • @Maaseruu
      @Maaseruu 10 місяців тому +574

      not only toji can resist mahito's technique, he has a split soul katana which directly cut someone's soul, which of course one and only mahito's weakness. So yeah he's built to kill mahito

    • @meisnewperson
      @meisnewperson 9 місяців тому

      @@apenasumdesenhistaeso159 fr

    • @skychieftain
      @skychieftain 9 місяців тому +34

      @@Maaseruu how can toji resist Mahito's technique?

    • @martianfn2012
      @martianfn2012 9 місяців тому +143

      @@skychieftain this video speculates that tojis soul is stronger than others

  • @dabricio
    @dabricio Рік тому +3742

    Toji is simply built different.
    Literally "me personally, I wouldn't let that slide" the character.

    • @Malvium
      @Malvium Рік тому +197

      Toji the kinda guy to say "who cares" and literally not care about anything.

    • @uruacufutsal1
      @uruacufutsal1 Рік тому +71

      He is quite literally built differently

    • @UwU-xk5cx
      @UwU-xk5cx 9 місяців тому +68

      @@Malvium The only reason bro didn't go into a Itachi arc and massacred his whole clan is cuz he couldn't care less

    • @user-iz8qk5lt2h
      @user-iz8qk5lt2h 8 місяців тому +12

      Go/jo didn't let it slide against him either

    • @marquistf1996
      @marquistf1996 8 місяців тому +4

      Literally. Toji does whatever he wants.

  • @alawaysrandin9462
    @alawaysrandin9462 Рік тому +2760

    Toji's body is shown to be able to completely override somebody's soul, and he's also explicitly aware of the shape of his soul. I don't think Mahito could alter Toji's soul when Toji's body is so powerful that it can erase _other_ people's souls.

    • @aguywithalotofopinions412
      @aguywithalotofopinions412 Рік тому +106

      Yeah but he can only do that when they’re inside him. At least as far as we’ve seen. So it’s similar to how Yuji keeps Sukuna under control. And Yuji wouldn’t be able to resist idle transfiguration without Sukuna

    • @nem0men_901
      @nem0men_901 Рік тому +304

      @@aguywithalotofopinions412 I really like the choice of words in your first sentence

    • @shepardice3775
      @shepardice3775 Рік тому +143

      @@aguywithalotofopinions412 Yuji probably could resist Idle Transfiguration better than pretty much anyone else without Sukuna, for the same reasons why he is in control as the vessel and not Sukuna. Totally immune? No, but resistant? Definitely. Yuji, like Toji and Maki (though to a lesser degree) has a natural superhuman body.

    • @seanandre4432
      @seanandre4432 Рік тому +62

      ​@@aguywithalotofopinions412 "they can only do it when they're inside him" pause 💀

    • @nelsonbobbysundani7728
      @nelsonbobbysundani7728 Рік тому +9

      @@shepardice3775 well said 👏🏼...well said

  • @romulolima1181
    @romulolima1181 Рік тому +838

    I love how now everything we use to sustain toji's theories can be used for Maki aswell lol

    • @giulianacesca4711
      @giulianacesca4711 Рік тому +72

      I wish ppl remembered this more often

    • @singsbadly
      @singsbadly 8 місяців тому +26

      Yuji too, because his soul was strong enough to withstand sukuna. Related to his physical strength even before he was a sorcerer.

    • @flaredemon9959
      @flaredemon9959 8 місяців тому +23

      Maybe at later stages but even when she achieves Toji's level of raw power, She is nowhere close to same awareness of the soul as Yuji or Toji. It's more connected to one's self-image.Maki can resist it, but to shrug it off is highly unlikely.

    • @bigboy2217
      @bigboy2217 8 місяців тому +18

      @@singsbadly naw definitely not the same. Everything about toji can be inferred to be true about maki because they share a heavenly restriction. However yuji is just similar in a couple observable ways. The process to compare them is like exactly backwards to what you are saying.

    • @fg009letyrds8
      @fg009letyrds8 7 місяців тому +10

      Current Maki already is able to keep up with 15f Sukuna in terms of attack speed, reaction speed and move speed, so even the peak Shibuya Mahito would definitely lose even if we scale that Mahito to be equal to Jogo. So yeah, she stomps Mahito.

  • @patrickmorin752
    @patrickmorin752 Рік тому +1906

    I feel that it is very likely that he won't get one shot by it, he soul alone was enough to take back his own body if I remember

    • @xanderalexander2545
      @xanderalexander2545 Рік тому +175

      It was his body bringing his soul

    • @xanderalexander2545
      @xanderalexander2545 Рік тому +42

      Also that's why I think he wouldn't be affected as his body seems to lead his soul

    • @darkhero0685
      @darkhero0685 Рік тому +223

      The only thing the old lady summoned was Toji body information not his souls, yet Tojis body was so powerful that it completely took over the vessels soul and created a copy of himself (the creator confirmed that the Toji in shibuya is not the real Toji).

    • @sgcastle8389
      @sgcastle8389 Рік тому +34

      @@xanderalexander2545 that's different his body took over someone else soul, not his own. If we follow Mahito explanation the soul creates the body, so logically we can say that Toji's soul created a body that won't allow someone else soul to play with its product (which is toji's boy). But since Mahito attacks the soul that created the body i doubt Toji could fight his own soul.

    • @xanderalexander2545
      @xanderalexander2545 Рік тому +14

      @@sgcastle8389 his body changed the form of someone else's souls as specific his soul wasn't summoned

  • @motivatedman4630
    @motivatedman4630 Рік тому +197

    Usually, a soul comes before the body. In Toji's case, it's complete opposite. It doesn't mean he'll be immune to Mahito's ability, no. But imagine, that when Mahito touches someone's soul, he reshapes it like a piece of clay. In Toji's case it won't be clay. It will be stone or something like that. Basically, Mahito *can* change the shape of his soul, but it will take much, much longer to do so.

    • @LetCode96666
      @LetCode96666 10 місяців тому +40

      True, plus Mahito will find his chopped up hands in his pocket every time he tries to touch Toji

    • @goblinrat6119
      @goblinrat6119 5 місяців тому +18

      Well the thing is that even if he shapes the soul, then... what? Toji literally does not need a soul to inform his body. His body is so strong that *it* tells the *souls* what it should do. So by definition it does not matter what his soul is like, as far as the existence of his body is concerned. So he might be... disoriented, I guess? Momentarily confused before his body just puts it back into shape?

    • @enjoyer6
      @enjoyer6 11 днів тому

      @@goblinrat6119when he was in that grandsons body all that happend is that his body overided his soul and was just acting on pure instinct. When mahito transfigures Tojis soul he could easily do it and Toji wouldn't have any resistance to it. Mahito could easily destroy his soul but his body would just devolve into a similar state like before probably. Which isn't really a wincon for Toji since he's dead. His body just lives on

    • @goblinrat6119
      @goblinrat6119 11 днів тому +1

      @@enjoyer6 I guess the question is, what does it practically mean to transfigure his soul, in a scenario where it might or might not (we have not, after all, gotten any definitive, canonical answer to how this would interact) actually affect him bodily?
      Idle Transfiguration does not destroy souls, it changes their shape, thereby changing the shape of the body (as the reality of Mahito's technique says that the soul comes first and the body follows, as he puts it). However, Toji's body, and functionality, is independent of the soul (he was functionally resurrected due to a possession, where his soul was explicitly not brought back), and in fact ignores the soul (the grandson's soul being in the body meant jack shit and got overridden).
      So, in this scenario, what does it practically speaking mean that Mahito might change the shape of his soul, if the effect (the change of his physical form) does not manifest? Saying he "dies" is kind of questionable, considering Mahito doesn't specifically kill you anyway (well he does, but you didn't die because Idle Transfiguration touched your soul, you died because your body blew up due to it, for example, so unless your body actually submits to that change, you're not dying). Even if his soul's form got changed in some sense, his body can seemingly override the soul anyway.
      (It does not ultimately matter how strong Mahito's technique is, in itself, because he's not forcibly remolding your body. He's making your own soul do it. And thus, the only pertinent part is that Toji's body can tell a soul to fuck off and stop bothering him.)
      Of course, all of this has a lot of theorycrafting and guesswork. The actual answer might be anything due to factors that were never considered or detailed, due to the simple fact it was never necessary in the series itself.

    • @enjoyer6
      @enjoyer6 10 днів тому

      @@goblinrat6119 if Mahito changes the shape of Tojis soul, even if his body resists it I'm sure having a disfigured soul would have disastrous effects on his mental. After all, when his body over-writ the grandsons soul it didn't bring his back or anything. He became a senseless fighting machine with no free will. Until the power of love saved him Ofc.
      Anyway it might not of even been Toji that was special. It could of been the glitch it the seance technique due to his body having 0 cursed energy that made him go crazy. Nothing about his body resisting the soul but the revival just going wrong.

  • @ShatteredGlass916
    @ShatteredGlass916 Рік тому +579

    I personally belived that ANY person, as long as they still have their soul, are susceptible to Mahito's technique. The next is question is how strong/ fortified said target's soul is, which ofc different from people to people

    • @mizonami1934
      @mizonami1934 Рік тому +46

      That can’t be the case though, since Sukuna is completely immune. Even if it is strong, it still makes Mahitos technique ineffective

    • @Kurocents
      @Kurocents 9 місяців тому

      he isn't. Mahito still touched him@@mizonami1934

    • @Literally___Me
      @Literally___Me 9 місяців тому +17

      @@mizonami1934Sukuna has a strong soul

    • @fernandoreimpell2818
      @fernandoreimpell2818 9 місяців тому +31

      ​@@mizonami1934 its not that he isnt suspetible, its that sukunas souk is too strong for mahito to handle

    • @forgetfullsanity
      @forgetfullsanity 9 місяців тому +6

      @@fernandoreimpell2818 also the fact that sukuna would 100% one shot mahito then so he just gave out warnings

  • @ShinyNumber1
    @ShinyNumber1 Рік тому +290

    Very huge chance that Toji's body's lack of cursed energy may make idle transfiguration that him the same as a building or object, hence Gege saying it'd be like a bug in a program.

    • @mosesmkandawire3032
      @mosesmkandawire3032 Рік тому +21

      Idle transfiguration doesn't target cursed energy but the soul.

    • @albert6157
      @albert6157 Рік тому +78

      @@mosesmkandawire3032 even inorganic and inanimate objects have souls in jujutsu kaisen. Thats why the soul liberation blade works. But Mahito can only manipulate souls of organic and animate objects like humans. (With curse energy) but since innate domains treat maki and toji as the same as inanimate objects and terrains, he may be able to avoid it in Domain expansions. Toji's body override someone else's soul. Meaning their soul is the body, freed from cursed energy. I believe that they are immune, as it is explicitly stated, they are sensitive to but immune to curses as they lack cursed energy similar to the terrains around them. They are basically tough inanimate objects in the eyes of jujutsu. Anomalies.

    • @mosesmkandawire3032
      @mosesmkandawire3032 Рік тому +5

      @@albert6157 where in jujutsu kaisen does it say even inorganic things have souls?? All because tojis soul can override other peoples soul doesn't exactly mean he is immune to idle transfiguration. All because domains treat them as inanimate objects doesn't mean a direct attack from a curse spirits CT can't affect them too. I believe toji can resist it but not for long. 3-5 hits of idle transfiguration from mahito can kill him. They are nothing like sukuna who is so much aware of his soul than they are. Even toji having override that guy's body he couldn't fully control himself and had to kill himself to not kill megumi

    • @albert6157
      @albert6157 Рік тому +30

      @@mosesmkandawire3032 when they explained the soul liberation blade, they explained the idea of the ability to see the shape of souls of both organic and inorganic objects

    • @albert6157
      @albert6157 Рік тому +5

      @@mosesmkandawire3032 at the end of the day, its all hypotheses, opinions and speculations. It can only be confirmed by the author.

  • @aguywithalotofopinions412
    @aguywithalotofopinions412 Рік тому +451

    While he’d likely not be as vulnerable to it as your average sorcerer, I seriously doubt he could resist it for too long. If Mahito can tag him 4-5 times, he’s dead. Of course, the question is whether he can before Toji cuts him to ribbons so many times that he runs out of CE. Or just uses the Inverted Spear Of Heaven if he has it. Man, Toji is just so freakishly powerful, I love it. Can’t wait to see him animated

    • @shishisonson100
      @shishisonson100 Рік тому +135

      Spoilers from latest chapters:
      Domains absolute hit don't work on Toji or Maki

    • @aguywithalotofopinions412
      @aguywithalotofopinions412 Рік тому +8

      @@shishisonson100 oh right I forgot

    • @khulmach9662
      @khulmach9662 Рік тому +80

      Toji owns the Liberation Blade, so he can easily attack Mahito's soul.

    • @sl3kii875
      @sl3kii875 Рік тому

      @@khulmach9662 the fucking what

    • @aguywithalotofopinions412
      @aguywithalotofopinions412 Рік тому +53

      @@khulmach9662 it’s called the split soul katana and yeah you’re right. Although the Inverted Spear should give the same result

  • @iruka6284
    @iruka6284 Рік тому +15

    Really out here ramping out these quality videos on a crazy regular basis fr one of my fav UA-camrs keep it up man

    • @BrokenRonin
      @BrokenRonin  Рік тому +2

      I'm glad you are enjoying the videos! Hope to keep putting out videos you can enjoy

  • @RedLogicYT
    @RedLogicYT Рік тому +86

    I believe he can resist it, and that would mean Maki can too. However I'm not 100% sure.

  • @brandon1687
    @brandon1687 7 місяців тому +8

    Very detailed video, you even brought out the information from interviews which are usually very hard to find.
    P/s: Toji had the weapon that hard counters Mahito, the split soul Katana that skips the hardness and just slashes directly to the soul

  • @Zyluki
    @Zyluki Рік тому +187

    honesty, he's probably immune
    my reasoning: the soul is almost certainly connected to innate domains, due to the fact that mahito enters sukuna's innate domain when he touches his and itadori's souls
    to add onto this, the only sorcerer(aside from sukuna) who has shown to be resistant to mahito is nanami, who said the one height of cursed energy he could never achieve(aside from reversed cursed technique) is a proper domain expansion
    looking at this with my confirmation bias, this could imply that nanami has put all the pieces for creating a domain in place, except for power and talent
    which means that his innate domain is ready to expand once he gains the raw power and skill to do so, which is why I think he was resistant to idle transfiguration, whilst Sukuna, someone who has a perfect domain, is immune
    why is this important? if this is true, this means that mahito is actually manipulating the shape of people's innate domains, and not the core of their souls
    toji does not have an innate domain, which is why has has no cursed energy
    so in other words, he has no soul for mahito to manipulate, whether it's through touching him or using his domain(which cannot detect him)

    • @chaitanyaravisankar2330
      @chaitanyaravisankar2330 Рік тому +17

      Great deductions.. Damn I hope this sort of explanation is given in the manga

    • @2j-light
      @2j-light Рік тому +34

      Gojo states that a sorcerers development is based on their cursed tech. The higher echelon are dominated by ego. Ego something Nanami lacked. You have to have a well defined sense of self to make a domain. This is a really good theory. Since idle transfiguration’s still on the table through Kenjaku I wouldn’t be surprised if this got confirmed to be true.

    • @jamespa7193
      @jamespa7193 9 місяців тому +4

      This is false lol, the soul is literally your soul in JJK. It’s one of the most important motifs. Toji’s soul would be stronger than his manipulation not “he has no soul.”

    • @propanesquid5234
      @propanesquid5234 9 місяців тому

      what about nobara? she couldnt make a domain but died after the first tap

    • @jamespa7193
      @jamespa7193 9 місяців тому

      @@propanesquid5234 because it’s false everyone has a soul

  • @TheDreadNought22
    @TheDreadNought22 Рік тому +9

    Thanks for bringing us such good videos on a constant bias. Waiting for that Miwa peak video

    • @BrokenRonin
      @BrokenRonin  Рік тому +7

      Thank you for enjoying the videos I put out so regularly! Miwa video on the way as well

  • @infinityis0
    @infinityis0 Рік тому +3

    One of my favorite creators asking one of the most interesting questions in JJK. Based. Even better since I just saw this on reddit

  • @macktheknifee9301
    @macktheknifee9301 9 місяців тому +69

    Let's not forget about Soul Split Katana. If Toji can use it he can perceive the souls of inanimate objects, meaning he can kill Mahito in less attacks than Mahito can kill him 😂

    • @smitchyboi
      @smitchyboi 4 місяці тому +1

      In the battle against Todo vs mahito. Not even his black flash can't kill him because it didn't directly hit his soul. So Toji is quite capable of harming mahito's soul with the split soul katana or destroy his domain and negate his curse techniques with the Inverted spear of heaven.

  • @user-pq6ey3or5o
    @user-pq6ey3or5o 5 місяців тому

    This was fking awesome, love this and have a nice day!!

  • @Zen_Zay
    @Zen_Zay Рік тому +1

    Idk how I’m just now discovering this video but this is a question I’ve been asking myself for a couple weeks and now I have a little more clarity on the subject.

  • @marcellim9950
    @marcellim9950 Рік тому +1

    Great vid my g

  • @WickedDota
    @WickedDota Рік тому +1

    Such a good video mate

  • @flamesage6796
    @flamesage6796 7 місяців тому +1

    I find this video interesting. Not only for the topic, that's just a fascinating idea. But the way you were able to gather the information and prove an idea you had. Also the fact the information was all there, to come to such a conclusion. JJK sure is interesting.

  • @dmowalk.tvdomain.chevywalk145
    @dmowalk.tvdomain.chevywalk145 Рік тому +11

    Would have loved to see mahitos face if something like that happened like someone making idle transfiguration useless , without a sukunna I feel the madness of him not being able to comprehend it would have drove him insane

  • @bonafidecatlover3443
    @bonafidecatlover3443 9 місяців тому +23

    1. The Inverted spear of heaven allows Toji to obliterate the domain with minor inconvenience. Negating any aspect that could bring it up as an advantage.
    2. The Inverted Spear of Heaven, again, is a weapon that completely ignores cursed techniques. This makes every single attack lethal against Mahito, not because it can hurt his soul but because it removes the invulnerability the technique provides him. (Debatable)
    3. Toji's superior physique puts him on the top of JJK, he'd completely speed blitz and handle Mahito the same way a WWE Champion would handle a toddler.
    4. If for any reason Mahito is determined to be an unbeatable opponent due to his invulnerability provided by idle transfiguratiin, Toji isnt the type of person to avoid running from a fight due to his pride. He'd be out of there faster than when he walked out on Megumin.

    • @lanlingwang8489
      @lanlingwang8489 8 місяців тому +1

      not only techniques, it can negate literally everything.

    • @spacebar3288
      @spacebar3288 7 місяців тому +5

      Even if the Inverted Spear of Heaven is debatable against Mahito, we still have the Split Soul Katana. That thing explicitly does direct damage to the soul, and it could kill Mahito with enough slices.

    • @tristanlau1213
      @tristanlau1213 6 місяців тому +1

      The domain won't work on Toji even without the spear, those with heavenly restriction and zero curse energy like Toji or Maki in manga would not be recognized by domains as living beings.

    • @lanlingwang8489
      @lanlingwang8489 6 місяців тому

      exactly. only Sukuna DE works on Toji.@@tristanlau1213

  • @royalpenguien1957
    @royalpenguien1957 8 місяців тому

    hope u get to a mil subs bc ur close i dont useally watch this channel but i wish the best

  • @himanshugirigoswami4573
    @himanshugirigoswami4573 Рік тому +6

    It's amazing that you can put in all the required information for forming our own opinions in such a short video, without the video seeming boring. And then you don't say what you might think could be correct because you never know. Great video.

  • @manuelcamara6400
    @manuelcamara6400 Рік тому +76

    Now we definitely need a fight between Kenjaku and Maki.

    • @marcioamaral7511
      @marcioamaral7511 Рік тому +11

      Maki would get folded
      Don't get me wrong she's really powerful
      But Kenjaku has cursed spirits than can probably kill her real fast

    • @mysteryman8787
      @mysteryman8787 Рік тому +11

      @@marcioamaral7511 Naoya is arguably one of the strongest curses so far. At her current level, she beat even him easily. Especially since she has a sword which negates defense, the only “curse” that could beat Maki now is Sukuna, Mahoraga, and Gojo

    • @oreki8707
      @oreki8707 Рік тому

      @@marcioamaral7511 lol no ,maki cannot be a worst matchup for Geto's ct

    • @onesmileybaldy8303
      @onesmileybaldy8303 Рік тому +13

      @@mysteryman8787 brother,Kenjaku is a being that has been alive for more than 1000 years,the amount of knowledge on cursed energy this guy has is only rivaled by Sukuna and he has the busted technique of a guy that can store thousands of cursed spirits,many of them most likely special grade. Doesn’t matter how much you hype up Maki,she isn’t taking that W.

    • @mysteryman8787
      @mysteryman8787 Рік тому +1

      @@onesmileybaldy8303 Bro I am not hyping any shit up. We already seen what would happen with 0 CE HR and CSM. In that encounter Toji won. Maki and Kenjakue would just be the same thing. The only way Kenjaku is winning is with outside factors and planning, because Geto is in no way faster than Maki, who can react at one of the fastest curses we seen.
      Kenjaku would only win with a spirit we had never seen, which could be faster Naoya, which I don’t find likely he has.

  • @chriswalker6233
    @chriswalker6233 Рік тому +8

    Can we just imagine if mahito had a binding vow for his curse technique he would be OP

  • @davidmezacoons4589
    @davidmezacoons4589 Рік тому +1

    nice music choice ronin

  • @avitado
    @avitado Місяць тому +1

    i love the nostalgic dying light 1 song in the background

  • @req1629
    @req1629 Рік тому +1

    EARLY AGAIN PRE-W PART 2

  • @joel2754
    @joel2754 10 місяців тому +3

    I think that the quality or strength of a Soul can be interpreted as toughness or malleability of the Soul considering Idle Transfiguration.
    While normal, run-of-the-mill Souls are like Blobs of Clay to Mahito, Souls like Toji's are more akin to a Block of Steel in terms of durability.
    That he faced Sukuna when he wanted to use Idle Transfiguration on Yuji could just be the fact that Mahito involuntarily touched both Souls, since they are entangled and roam the same body, falling in line with Kenny's statement of the Soul(s) being the Body and the Body the Soul(s), thus giving Sukuna the chance to turn it into a battle of Domains, as he's still an individual just not in control of the body he roams.
    So, like, Toji would probably get a few freebies before getting Chronenburged.

  • @ash-2650
    @ash-2650 Рік тому +4

    These heavenly restrictions characters are presented as bugs in JJK world and they are immune to many things. We already encountered a similar situation in relation to domain and this situation also won't be any different.

  • @nelsonlazcano7732
    @nelsonlazcano7732 Рік тому +1

    Good video. 👌

    • @BrokenRonin
      @BrokenRonin  Рік тому +1

      Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it

  • @user-of5ml3kl3u
    @user-of5ml3kl3u 9 місяців тому +3

    As shown with panda the soul is located inside the body and can be moved consiously so most likely mahito traces the cursed energy of the soul to find it and reshape it, that would make toji completely immune to idle transfiguration due to his souls basically being invisible due to the lack of physical or cursed energy prescence, that would mean mahito would need to be in contact with toji for a while to even find a soul, and im willing to bet any enemy of toji that gets in contact with him for more than 0,1 sec is basically done

  • @hazalbakunawa2373
    @hazalbakunawa2373 Рік тому +3

    This was a question that's been bugging me, thanks for answer it. So Mahito's technique is resisted not nullified.

  • @jacksonyates7816
    @jacksonyates7816 Рік тому

    Can you do yuta vs maki? I am very curious as to who would win

  • @allgamingtime6698
    @allgamingtime6698 Рік тому

    Ronin can you do a megumi vs yuji battle analysis been seeing some takes that yuji would demolish megumi which I personally disagree and think megumi would put yuji down so i would like to hear ya take on it after all maybe am wrong

  • @rustyshackleford7763
    @rustyshackleford7763 Рік тому

    Can you do more videos on Toji? Pretty please?

  • @patrickcg581
    @patrickcg581 27 днів тому

    Hey wait a second, is that Dying Light music im hearing? didnt know you were chill like that

  • @9242king
    @9242king 9 місяців тому

    The last episode had me asking the same question.

  • @Whodene13
    @Whodene13 Рік тому +1

    To awnser it we have to understand how soul is works in the jjk universe. The possibility to override ones soul with just the body and the fact that body is directly connected to the soul what was written when gojo was getting sealed and he saw geto, their chat where Gojo has directly seen Getos soul inside of controlled by kenjaku body. So there is a big chance that it would be not so useful. We could also just assume that depending on how much stronger someone is thjan the user less it works wuch could explain why he had to use couple of morphs to make a change on toudo

  • @TheHaHaNinja
    @TheHaHaNinja Рік тому

    We might be able to see this in the future If maki fights against Kenjaku

  • @shiroe6130
    @shiroe6130 Рік тому +4

    wheres the promised miwa video??? i feel betrayed, nice vid btw

    • @BrokenRonin
      @BrokenRonin  Рік тому

      Miwa video is in the works, but a 20 minute video is gonna take a little while to put together. Glad you liked the video

    • @shiroe6130
      @shiroe6130 Рік тому

      Ight i'll wait

  • @darwinspain4831
    @darwinspain4831 Рік тому +9

    I think it would work on toji but it would take forever to kill him.

  • @2j-light
    @2j-light Рік тому +34

    Sukuna is vary much an outlier when it comes to idle transfigurations effects. Primarily cause Sukuna is enlightened. Similar to Tengen they are beings that transcend logic. It’s stated that Sukuna is an example of what would happen if Tengen let go of his remaining humanity. Become a being ambivalent to all things. Gojo is also enlightened but to a lesser degree since he won’t budge on his humanity. It’s why he doesn’t have the body dysmorphia that Sukuna and Tengen have.
    Toji and Maki might have some invulnerability but we’ve seen Mahito fight someone with heavenly restriction. Mechamaru or Muta. Mahito even reversed his restriction completely. Though heavenly restriction can effect people differently so maybe the Toji/Maki brand of restriction gives soul hacks.

    • @AlphaNinjaFTW1
      @AlphaNinjaFTW1 9 місяців тому +1

      mechamaru lost heavenly restriction the moment he was healed

    • @therizzler777
      @therizzler777 9 місяців тому

      Toji's soul and not his body is the factor here though. Tojis soul should be 1000000 times stronger than mechamaru

    • @fg009letyrds8
      @fg009letyrds8 7 місяців тому

      Mechamaru definitely still has Cursed Energy in him, Toji and Maki are far above Mechamaru in terms of Heavenly Restriction Hierarchy.

  • @christiannoli8375
    @christiannoli8375 Рік тому

    I asked the same question During my reread at that part, nice

  • @neekogregory1885
    @neekogregory1885 Рік тому +3

    Toni most definitely needs 2-3 touches but he gotta get touched first and if you really think about it, it’s Tojo he ain’t finna let Mahito get a chance to move

  • @elgoblinax8796
    @elgoblinax8796 9 місяців тому +1

    Moving aside what toji did to the Ogamis grandson soul it was stated that Heavenly restriction users have a higher resistance to curses so it woul take more touches to kill toji

  • @TO5993-j
    @TO5993-j 2 дні тому

    Regarding the strength of the soul, is it possible to bring Gojo back using Kenjaku CT? Like when part of Geto body regained their original consciousness that few seconds during Shibuya Incident. Like I hope there could be a bug for Gojo to finally return to life

  • @patrickmorin752
    @patrickmorin752 Рік тому +5

    Would yutas cursed technique be able to copy angels technique to prevent cursed techniques? If so could the group use that to free gojo without have them kill yuji and sukuna?

    • @EXQUIS1T3
      @EXQUIS1T3 Рік тому +1

      If that is a possibility, it wouldn't be possible without a great sacrifice, like losing a shit ton of his CE potential and/or sacrificing one of his biggest powers (either sacrificing Rika completely, or losing the ability to copy any other CT)

    • @patrickmorin752
      @patrickmorin752 Рік тому

      @@EXQUIS1T3 yeah, even if it is possible gege will find a way to put a twist on it

    • @greatteacherdaffy6219
      @greatteacherdaffy6219 Рік тому +2

      @@EXQUIS1T3 Why? Yuta's never been shown to have been forced to put limitations like that on his copied techniques

    • @EXQUIS1T3
      @EXQUIS1T3 Рік тому

      @@greatteacherdaffy6219 true, but having such an insanely big feat shouldn't be possible so easily. It just would be a cheesy plot armor strat

    • @Kisuke258
      @Kisuke258 Рік тому +3

      @@EXQUIS1T3 the limit is that it can only be used for 5 minutes.

  • @akriel67
    @akriel67 Рік тому +2

    I would say that mahito technique would work but it’s would take like 5-8 attaches to fully the distort the soul I mean that’s what I got since of nanami but it would work

    • @halcyon2190
      @halcyon2190 Рік тому

      Toji has no cursed energy to subconsciously defend against it like Nanami did

  • @miracleyang3048
    @miracleyang3048 8 місяців тому

    These videos keeps headcanoning new powers for Toji everytime i swear

  • @Makintosh5665
    @Makintosh5665 7 місяців тому +1

    There's actually still big potential for the soul curse, his ability of evolution is very op. There's also a thing in my mind, he can control souls but with accurate souls manipulation you can basicaly do clones of other sorcerers and possibly even manipulate them

  • @TheZplit
    @TheZplit 5 місяців тому

    I hear that dying light music and am happy

  • @SwagUnicorn82
    @SwagUnicorn82 18 днів тому +1

    i cant tell if the background music is dying light or not

  • @raimeihakke6552
    @raimeihakke6552 Рік тому +2

    Day One of Asking for :TOJI vs YUTA🙏🏾

  • @berlinglasgow9585
    @berlinglasgow9585 8 місяців тому +2

    short answer no because heavenly restriction is a broken and completely unexplored ability in the JJK verse

  • @isolochickeens
    @isolochickeens Рік тому

    Yo I'm surprised u didn't talk about maki cuz in the newer chapters all domains treat her and by default toji as inanimate objects so they don't even effect them

  • @Grav1tyControl
    @Grav1tyControl 9 місяців тому

    i hear you with the dying light music

  • @KingPyro123
    @KingPyro123 Рік тому +1

    He is the mortal stand in for sun wu kong. I imagine his stone skin would probably manifest as him having a really strong immunity to mahitos idle transfiguration

  • @squidrell3211
    @squidrell3211 8 місяців тому

    Everything talking about the toji and mahito but me listening to the background music he used. Bro really used Dying light 2015 game's Background music. This is the first thing that came in my mind from the starting of the video

  • @t_raywen8750
    @t_raywen8750 Рік тому +1

    This is a question that could be answered in the future. After all kenjaku could use it on maki one day.

  • @Mctatertotter
    @Mctatertotter 8 місяців тому

    dying light backround music go crazy

  • @venotti86
    @venotti86 Рік тому +1

    can resist for a while but then falls to it

  • @Griffit3378
    @Griffit3378 Рік тому +6

    If it’s like the granny summon technique then yeah. He could resist it but it might take a hit for his body to get used to it. Like how he wasn’t immediately in control, it took a small amount of time before his body overdid the technique.

  • @moosefish3833
    @moosefish3833 Рік тому

    It toji stabbed himself with the ISOH would it cancel the technique as soon as its used on him? Or would it only work if mahito was stuck with the spear

  • @pancakes454
    @pancakes454 9 місяців тому

    I just have 1 questions what happens if toji ate sukuna’s finger?

  • @greedy_arts3807
    @greedy_arts3807 Рік тому

    (Haven't watched the video yet)It probably depends on the soul of the target rather than the actual ability it self, simply put, the stronger your soul is, the more you can resist or outright nullify it, take sukuna for example, so YES, I believe wouldn't be effected by it

  • @justshaggie2963
    @justshaggie2963 Рік тому

    Off topic but I got a question. domains don’t work on maki because of her 0 CE. I’m just confused because in chapter 195 it’s said daido can’t wield CE, but in chapter 199 daido was hit by noyoa’s domain. Does anyone know why maki was excluded but daido wasn’t even though they both have 0 CE?

    • @BrokenRonin
      @BrokenRonin  Рік тому +2

      Yea so here's the VERY quick answer.
      Daido has CE he just can't manipulate it well.
      Maki had literally 0 amounts of CE

  • @BLUEFAC3
    @BLUEFAC3 Місяць тому

    dying light soundtracks go crazy ngl 🔥🔥

  • @Will-jg2zs
    @Will-jg2zs Рік тому +7

    Your thumbnail game has been strong lately!!
    I think Toji would lose but he'd slap Mahito around first a bit. Never underestimate that Zen'in

    • @dariuswilliams7509
      @dariuswilliams7509 Рік тому +3

      Wit the soul splitter he swipes mahito if he lands

    • @mr.p215
      @mr.p215 Рік тому +4

      @@dariuswilliams7509 And considering he is at pre awaken gojo, he blitzes mahito.

    • @axel9473
      @axel9473 Рік тому +3

      If he has any means of actually attacking Mahito's soul, he'd destroy him easily. If he has the weapon that disables cursed techniques he'd win in seconds.

    • @dariuswilliams7509
      @dariuswilliams7509 Рік тому +1

      @@axel9473 Isoh and Soul Splitter he has both

  • @burakovic816
    @burakovic816 7 місяців тому

    I can hear the Dying Light soundtrack nice.

  • @TheRealSvbbyKun_
    @TheRealSvbbyKun_ 6 місяців тому

    If we're referring to Shibuya "Toji" then its Tojis body information and Ino's Soul. Tojis body information was so strong that it took over the body but not the soul (hence why he doesn't remember megumi and is fighting off pure instinct rather than thought). Now Ino's soul has cursed energy but the body doesn't since Toji never had cursed energy (which is why he can keep going until someone brings him down since the technique won't dissipate). With that being said...
    If Mahito were to try and manipulate "Toji's" Soul he would just be manipulating Ino's Soul...but since Tojis body information is strong enough to supress Ino's soul, couldn't he try to fight the actual manipulation with his body information alone? Since it would essentially be a different different person being manipulated rather than Toji? I imagine it like trying to play with playdough while its still in the container

  • @MadMax22
    @MadMax22 Рік тому +1

    A little clue. Mahito was looking for the perfect body to reflect his soul. So maybe that's what sukuna did to achieve his two faces and four arms look.

  • @ralphbeldad2045
    @ralphbeldad2045 8 місяців тому

    "What ever curse technique that is powerfull and cant be defeated the are always a weakness"
    -Suguru Geto (Kenjaku)

  • @Kyo_Him
    @Kyo_Him Рік тому

    Remember when he did what if good times good times

  • @ArcDeity
    @ArcDeity Рік тому

    Why is my youtube a damn circle

  • @marksoriano375
    @marksoriano375 Рік тому +1

    Mahito CT can affect Toji.
    Soul and body tagged along and both on the series can be damaged, mahito can see he's target percentage how vulnerability they become to he's attack. Toji body can be exhausted,damage etc. On some point he will be.

  • @therizzler777
    @therizzler777 9 місяців тому

    I always like going against theory-theory no mi in anime, but I like this one. Toji's feat overpowering the soul of the guy that has his body is really something else 😂😂 Nothing went wrong with the ritual that caused a glitch, bro just went, "hey that's my body, I'll go back there"

  • @mox4915
    @mox4915 Рік тому

    is bro playing dying light music in the background or is it just me

  • @pROJectMAJIXNER0
    @pROJectMAJIXNER0 9 місяців тому

    Toji in the thumbnail lookin like HOOOOO WHAT THE HELLLLLLLLLLLL OMG

  • @badassproductions4734
    @badassproductions4734 Рік тому +3

    Well damn so basically mahito would need to pull a yuji where he lands a 100% power black flash to even do any notable damage

  • @NotEvenOverThere
    @NotEvenOverThere 24 дні тому

    I believe it would work but in a similar manner to with Nanami on a larger scale. So he would likely be able to just take normal damage like a regular fight and mahito would have to actually subdue him like with Yuji. Just watched and realized we said the same thing

  • @zayuhmakesmusic
    @zayuhmakesmusic 4 місяці тому

    I'm surprised you didn't touch on itadori's resistance to the technique considering toji would be very similar to the resistance he's shown

  • @bunio8319
    @bunio8319 Рік тому

    Good question

  • @suicidalelf1632
    @suicidalelf1632 Рік тому +18

    I think the problem is that everyone thinks it's a matter of just power where it's about the depth of the soul and how aware of it you are. Sukuna is aware of his soul to the point that he can split and incarnate his soul through his fingers, which is how most/all jujutsu release their techniques.
    Toji's heavenly restriction clashed with the spells to bring him back but still worked on him to kill the strongest and degraded his mind.
    If the domain doesn't use a barrier to trap Toji the same way the spirit that Gets used back then yeah, you could trap Toji.

    • @tuppiee1752
      @tuppiee1752 8 місяців тому

      Toji and maki also aware of their soul tho

  • @keepergho776
    @keepergho776 6 днів тому +1

    What happens if toji eats a finger and becomes a vessel ?

    • @saif-gv6gl
      @saif-gv6gl 5 днів тому

      Most people would die, only Yuji and Megumi's are vessels, Yuji being a bit special because he can actually imprison Sukuna instead of getting possessed like Megumi, possibly because of his dad being the reincarnated Sukuna's twin

  • @olekjagodzinski758
    @olekjagodzinski758 5 місяців тому

    I found something like this on the internet "in Jujutsu Kaisen, the soul is depicted as an integral part of a person's existence, and it is closely tied to the concept of cursed energy." I believe that cursed energy is what splits a human into body and soul, but since with this theory "soul" and "body" cannot exist without cursed energy as separate informations, while summoning "body" granny also summoned "soul" that wasn't separated from the body by cursed energy (just a theory of course)

  • @Blackjesus327
    @Blackjesus327 Рік тому +4

    Even if mahito can damage his soul. Because of how strong it is, he’s need quite a few hits on the soul. While toji is much faster and has a weapon that attacks the soul directly. Toji blitz and one shots. I don’t even see a way for mahito to ever win unless you make toji go in bare handed.

    • @myusername3689
      @myusername3689 7 місяців тому

      Even if Toji goes in bare handed, he’s way too fast and skilled to get touched by Mahito. Not to mention, Toji can likely see souls without any weapons due to his heavenly restriction, meaning he can whoop Mahito without soul damaging weapons.

  • @drarsen33
    @drarsen33 9 місяців тому

    I would guess that he can negate it.
    Even if his soul gets changed, his body could just change it back as we have seen his body being able to overpower soul

  • @iceninja9x425
    @iceninja9x425 9 місяців тому +1

    Imo Mahito could potentially harm Pre-Death Toji as Toji's Soul and Body exists at the same time. But "reanimated(?)" Toji would be immune to idle transfiguration because his Body exists, and Mahito's CT would only be affecting the supressed soul, which may not affect Toji whatsoever. And this is just my Opinion and speculation

  • @Weird.Crocodile
    @Weird.Crocodile 9 місяців тому

    Why are jjk videos using dying light ost? 😭

  • @mitismee
    @mitismee Рік тому

    also 1 more person still i guess powerful enough to somewhat over come this soul manipulation technique is GEto suguru, the dude is strong enough to choke him self which had been replaced by Kenjaku at that point, his body also over come the soul ( similar case with Toji ) man to think of GEtou and Toji already died long time ago but we still continue to see them in the Series for up coming season feel kinda weird but also sad. after all Getou and Toji are some of the strongest character so far in the series just under GOjo and Sukuna ofc , so i think it's fair that they'll have way to deal with soul manipulation curse , if weaker character like Todou and Yuji able to go toe for toe with Mahito then i think Toji and Getou can easily 1v1 .

  • @TojiFushigoroWasTaken
    @TojiFushigoroWasTaken 8 місяців тому

    dying light sound track?...someone's got good taste

  • @theorphanofkos1029
    @theorphanofkos1029 8 місяців тому

    Wait, so wouldn’t that mean that mahito can’t do much against maki too?

  • @woods93bullet44
    @woods93bullet44 Рік тому +1

    Toji is legit just "Fuck around and find out"

  • @narcoticman7310
    @narcoticman7310 9 місяців тому

    Is sukuna really immune to idle transfiguration lore wise?

  • @Nn91.
    @Nn91. Місяць тому +1

    Why does Toji in the thumbnail look like Yuta

  • @FrankieStinks
    @FrankieStinks 6 місяців тому

    we couldve summed up this video with gege loves toji sm that he would be unaffected

  • @miracleyang3048
    @miracleyang3048 8 місяців тому

    Daily reminder that Heavenly restriction doesn't make you immune to cursed techniques