How do people look at Clark shooting Chloe down every single time, never giving her a chance, and think that there was a triangle? Chloe was a third wheel, not a third line.
it wasn't really Clark's fault though if you recall he did get with Chloe for like 5 minutes in the season 1 finale. but that love triangle went on far too long
They teased the potential enough that people were in. And his relationship with Lana was always just so sad and dramatic, with all the lying and the secrets. Any time they teased the idea of him with Chloe it was much more free and happy. Especially in later seasons
But Whitney died, and she broke up with him before to be with Clark. So it’s, Clark loves Lana, Lana loves Clark, Chloe loves Clark but sees Lana as a sister; thus far
@@motodog242I always wondered if part of the reason chloey let Lana live with her was because she thought maybe Lana wouldn't pursue Clark out of gratitude.
This particular love triangle was highly annoying when everyone who knew anything about Superman knew very well who he was going to end up in the end, and she wasn't even part of the triangle.
@@crusader2112 In some ways it does. It is tragic to see Anakin. In the movie he is kind of a moody asshole. The cartoon series shows he really wasn't, he was a good person that got corrupted. On the other hand we also know that certain characters will always get out of a jam because they are alive during episode 3. So the peril isn't really there.
@@ChestRockwell24just had to chime in 9 months later to agree that Clone Wars was and still is such a great show that it was ahead of it’s time when it debuted. That Anakin was the Anakin we deserved and were supposed to get in the prequels (no hate to Hayden, I love him but the writers gave him such a whiny emo role to play). Clone Wars actually makes you respect and admire Anakin, making his fall the tragedy it was meant to be in the movies
Lana Lang still loves Ck in smallville season 11 comic...her character need to stay away from Clark as her character wore a suit which was capable to absorb kryptonite..........
Yeah, love triangles are absolutely terrible. But even then, it wasn’t limited to just CW shows. I remember Lost, which looking back was one of the more forward thinking dramas, has the insufferable love triangle between Jack/Sawyer/Kate for the first 5 seasons. It worked on network tv somehow 😂
it's not network tv it depends on how it's done i think it can be done well or it could be done really fucking Poorly. on LOST It was done well. i don't mind them sometimes but they do get really tiring, on Castle they also did it as well and it was done well but you didn't have Rick or Kate for that Matter act like fucking idiots if something was said at least i don't think that did happen? the will they or won't they are tiring as well. though i did end up Loving Magnum when they changed Higgin's Gender i knew that's what they were going to do, but with that show they didn't smother you in it though it as it was a slow build cause they focused on character development and the higgy and Magnum didn't really do scenes like with i want to be her/him etc.. so it was done well
I loved this discussion! I've always thought this persistent focus on the relationship drama was one of the weaker parts of Smallville. Chloe and Clark's friendship stabilizes in season 3, if I remember correctly. For Chloe, Clark is the one that got away, and I think a lot of us can empathize with that. As for Lana, I feel like she as a character lacked a certain amount of self-definition outside of the relationships. Michael is correct that it makes the character weaker. As soon as Lois showed up, most of the audience was pretty ready for Clark to move on, but the drama with Lana went on until season 7.
I agree but I also think it was part of Clark’s development that they wanted to finally wrap up. So he could be ready for Lois, despite it taking forever. In real life too, it takes most of us a long time to get over our firsts loves. Some guys hold on to it forever and start treating women badly now because of their hearts being broken. Not trying to rag on guys or anything, but if is a very real reality too. Women do this as well. But I agree they could have wrapped it up in season 4/5 and allowed her character to have her own sorta arc that takes her off the show. Although I kind of like the way things went at the same time. I agree with Kristen too though, love triangles are so outdated and I can’t stand when it’s a constant angle done in these shows/movies. There is so much more opportunity to develop women and showcase their emotional maturity as well. I was really proud of Clark by season 9, I was like, finally, he’s over Lana and he can move forward to her being the one. I hated that in the red kryptonite episode Lois kisses clark and he’s back to that more edgy version of Clark but he’s still hung up on Lana, and Lois is like let the past go, this is your future and he’s like we’re in the present. I was eye rolling all the way through that, like come on and then at the end of the episode Clark is talking to Lois and she’s likeC “I must have really liked you” because of her burning him a white snake CD (lol I do like the classic making him a CD bit) even tho we had mp3 players back then tho lol) but still that’s the moment where Clark should have realized that it was okay to move on, but I’m sure the writers had rules if they wanted to keep their jobs. It is what it is, but I loved show overall despite the creepy, pervy moments with Lex lol. They can’t get away with that now in these shows now, they would get cancelled immediately which would be natural given the content, it’s inappropriate. A cop out triangle was done because they knew he would exit the show soon, so they didn’t wanna waste time bringing in a new character. Plus it would keep the tensions between Lex and Clark. Sorry - I got super into what I was saying. Have an awesome day! 😁
Really good point about the fandom disliking them because of the love triangles. Looking back, this is one of the reasons I really liked it when the girls were just getting along as friends not romantic rivals
For me it never felt liked a Love Triangle. Chloe just had a crush. It seemed it didn’t last. for Clark it’s always been Lana or Louise. I never looked at anyone less professional. By the way Michael Rosenbaum is the best Lex in media. (Tv and films, animated and live action).
I disagree with your lex comment. If you'd said "best live action lex" then okay, but you included animation. The Lex Luthor voiced by Clancy Brown is the best. He appears in the 90s superman cartoon and then later in the justice league cartoon. Funny enough: Rosenbaum voices the flash in the same justice league cartoons.
I loved the Smallville show enough I bought the set from season's one to ten , and I love hearing your perspectives on scenerios like the love triangle . I often wondered how you guys felt about the show . Thanks for your perspective !
I get what they're saying, for sure. But I think it has to be acknowledged that love triangles do happen in real life. Not as dramatically as in a lot of these shows, but they happen, especially when you're young and hormones are pushing you in all directions. What always annoyed me was when a love triangle made it obvious who the person was going to choose, and the other was just a speed bump to delay the intended couple from getting together like Kristin said. It comes down to how it's written
Wow, great insight, never thought of it this way. But just like how social media gets major business from outrage, it seems like the fact that it created this toxic, tribal fandom equated to passionate loyal viewers for the show. That’s gotta be why it became a pillar of every one of the networks shows
Ive watch the whole series a couple of times through (I was unemployed and needed an escape) and the writers definitely made the whole thing WAY more melodramatic than they needed to. But then I felt that Chloe was superfluous once Lois was introduced into the show. And you can tell because they kept changing Chloe's role. She was the confidente, the secret keeper, but thats not a job and she had to do something else once Lois and Clark started reporting. So they inflected her with Brainiac and turned her into a super hacker. Honestly, Chloe should have died or left Smallville somewhere in the mid-point of the run. Before Doomsday and the two Jimmy Olsons.
I actually liked the way they handled her. She wanted to be a journalist, essentially be a Lois lane(this is why early on people thought she would somehow become lois). Then she finds out about Clark's powers and sees that maybe she can also take on a bigger role. And also, not to nitpick, but she was super hacker even before brainiac, and after that entire thing was over she still had her skills. I like how in the end she basically is like a talent scout for the justice league, bringing all these amazing beings together.
@@ChestRockwell24I ageee, they handled her well. I wish they would have done something similar with Lana, despite the love triangle drama she deserved better. That whole season 4 witch stuff was so 🤦🏼♀️ annoying, like give her something else for her to exist. Like she’s not just meant to be in smallville to love men, she’s bright and smart. Capable too, she could have a better storyline. I didn’t like for how they wrote her off but honestly after a while of the on/off again clark/Lana thing they made me like excited back when she left the show now rewatching it as an adult, I’m like really? Come on. But that’s how it was back then. Sucks, but I love hearing Kristen’s take on everything, she’s so intelligent and speaks on everything we were all thinking lol
I won’t lie i think it’s just a teen drama. The CWs bread and butter. It almost feels like a contractual obligation on being on the network lol. It’s how the show could sell itself to a wide audience
I love this insight into it. I will say, they used that love triangle for maximum effect in season three when Chloe goes evil for a second. And evil without kryptonite. She’s just angry… and it was so human, so awesome.
Yeah it's funny cause I find her more attractive now for some reason too, she aged very well. I think it's her looks too but also how grounded she seems, very rare for an actress from nowadays.
I loved all the characters with no hating, except Linda lake in the later seasons. She was pure evil haha lol. I didn't hate her technically, she just was cruel.
to be fair, i like some kind of hint of love triangle, if you know what i mean it's alright, if as a viewer you're suspecting it, show gives you a little hints, there's a sympathy between some characters, even a little more than platonic, but if these love triangles become quite significant part of the plot, it becomes tiresome and boring
I don’t mind a love triangle when it doesn’t become the characters’ entire storylines or a crutch the show falls back on that detracts from the main story. But yeah when there’s two female love interests, their entire story does seem to revolve around the main male character's feelings about them that week or episode and both women/girls always end up hated, with one viewed as the villain preventing the other from becoming the “real” sole love interest. Yet this doesn’t often happen with male love interests, coz the show will somehow find a way to revolve around those two, not the female lead
It was just Chloe pining for Clark. Which is why it was cruel for Clark to invite her to prom when he knew how she felt. To be fair I think he wanted to like her and get over Lana, but ended up using her. He was still a teenager himself though, but yeah it wasn't very nice and I'm not sure if I recall him ever saying sorry.
@@ChestRockwell24 he never said sorry this the thing why I some times I hate Clark he does something and doesn’t apologize because of his attitude of the situation and then expect people move on when it’s not a big deal
If what Jenna Ortega says is accurate and they're moving away from love interests in season 2, that will help that situation. I actually rather enjoyed the love triangle in Wednesday, you can definitely see why these two guys would be into Wednesday.
The love triangle made zero sense. Wednesday is a cold, detached person, antisocial to the point of violence. She legit tortured one of the boys who liked her. It would make more sense to focus on the horror, and on her coming to terms with her maturity.
she’s right, and I think this is unfortunately common in every fandom. The vitriol women in love triangles on shows get is so wrong. It’s like people can’t separate reel from real
And this is the biggest shame of SV in my opinion. If there was one thing that was unbelievable about the show, it’s not that Clark came from another planet and had powers, it’s that Lana would stick around for Clark for 6 YEARS going through this. Any sane person would have cut their losses and moved on by season 3. And that “will they won’t they” only led to a hand full of episode of actual relationship for it to go to shit again. I personally felt robbed because Lana is Clark’s gf in the comics in HS and in this show, that’s not what happened. It became so toxic! That Bizarro episode is so hard to watch now 🥶 But I’m glad it’s not just me, and that the actors themselves felt that way. The way Clark was gaslighting Lana was breath taking 😂 “Lana, I wasn’t in that truck. There’s nothing that means more to me than your eyes. But who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes???” 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I’m so glad they didn’t to this on The Flash because that would have been *pure* bs since Iris is his whole foundation for keeping his sanity among all temporal changes. And the show didn’t die when Barry and Iris got together. There’s so much story to tell about making a relationship work. I guess because of the times the SV writers didn’t see that. “Will they won’t they” was everywhere on every show.
As far as the "hate" for female leads goes... It's probably more that some people liked Chloe / Lana / Lois more, and it wasn't so much about who Clark liked, as much as, who that viewer wanted to see win and be happy (and who they thus saw as obstacles to said win and happiness) I think I liked Chloe more back then, although 20 years later, rewatching it a little with family, I'm more partial to Lana for some reason... Maybe because I've had Asian girlfriends in the years between. lol
seriously lol everytime I encounter them in stories now I'm like, this writing better not be making me fall for ANOTHER character only to waste our time & energy by putting them all thru stupid "jealousy" type drama!
Clark Chloe and Lana wasn't a love triangle. The only times Clark kissed Chloe that I can remember, were during I believe it was their Homecoming dance, and after getting the class ring made of red kryptonite. That's it. The rest of the time, Clark's testicles were safely tucked away in Lana's purse. He dated other women for one episode at a time, if even that long. Lana on the other hand, dated Clark, Clark's football coach, Clark's best friend, Clark's twin. I remember a while back, while watching the series, I wrote out a full psychoanalysis of Lana Lang. Michael might like reading something like that, it would add a whole other dimension to the Talkville podcast.
Até aqui no Brasil,esse triângulo era muito melodramático! Mas acho que a Chloe sabia de tudo,mas mesmo assim,não queria perder nenhum dos dois. E a Lana é muito fura olho, só decide falar com Whitney quando vê o Clark segurando a mão da Chloe no café!
Fellas can you get a Animated drawer like comic book animator to play out while y’all talk on the Screen 📺 and the drawing should be a little diff ♥️🕯️💫
As far as romance goes, I think Smallville came at a time of transition between the earlier form of superheroes and current form. In the past, there would often be no romance at all because it distracts from the adventure. Even superhero couples usually wouldn't have much PDA or expression of romance. I personally liked the focus on just the adventure in such shows. Romances take up screen time - although one imagines that it also makes the shows more approachable to girls.
How was Chole even a love Triangle? She was basically just a third wheel. Although if they wanted to be more accurate to the comics, Clark should have just dated Lana until he moved Metropolis and then you could have seen how Lana and Clark slowly became into Lois and Clark.
I'd have much preferred that. They could have focused on but trying to hook her up with Lex, and not tried to ruin her character. Honestly, towards the end the writing just let her down hardcore. They had no idea what to do with Lana so they just turned on a Soap Opera and said: "YESSS" and copied that. Meanwhile, character growth everywhere else....-ish.
Just to answer your q - the "love triangle" trope has zero to do with "logic" & relies solely on audiences perceiving a potential fave choice to root for a relationship with the character(s) they're focused on.. thus the favoritism by the extremist "fans" & how shipwars happen, even with unlikely, unreasonable, or even impossible combos. Then there's the subtropes - so many will always have a soft spot for "best friends that find love together", it's inevitable that any such pair will end up with some viewers cheering them on. Add to that, promotional material, various reviews, discussions, etc including magazine interviews which zoom in on all those tropes.. & they push the idea more to further audiences that fall for it. That all definitely factored in here too. 🤷♀️
The last comment yes! So true every show had the love triangle. OTH/ had me h4ting so much Payton for a while. SMALLVILLE had me h4ting on Lana. Vampire Diaries having love triangle was the whole show plot 😂. Funny how I never realized now stuff like that. Kristen said something interesting about the “time” yeah on todays time that wouldn’t be possible.
As I've said before I've always hated love triangles in shows. They just drag them down and creat unnessacery drama that isn't needed. Smallville was honestly no exception to that. I agree with Michael that they really became annoying after a great while, particularily the Clark/Chloe/Lana triangle in the early seasons. Sometimes I honestly felt a little bit of a headache watching this triangle play out. Also in later seasons the Clark/Lex/Lana love triangle got annoying and cringy. I'm glad Kristin has tried to avoid them on other shows she has been in since. Even if she may have had some. Case in point season 2 of Beauty and the Beast. But, again, they really aren't ever needed.
Lana and Clark were such a perfect couple that they had to come up with a pathetic excuse to separate them. Lana turned into living kryptonite... are you serious??
I feel like Chloe got the worst possible outcomes in this entire show and she deserved so much more because she was the only one who truly love clark and he NEVER saw her or even valued her.
Didn’t mind the Clark, Chloe and Lana love triangle it’s not the problem it’s clana stuff even watching 5 seasons it’s so annoying I don’t get how much we have to make Lana stop with her obsession over Clark’s secret to this I’m like how long is that take like oh my god
I ain't gonna lie, the three major times Chloe was on Clark was exciting. Alison had a cute sexuality going, but everyone knew it wasn't supposed to be... But it was fun lol
I disagree with you on one point: that everyone knew it wasn't meant to be. Lois Lane shows up in season 4, but prior to that for years I would read passionate theories online about how chloey would somehow become Lois lane. Like she would take the name Lois lane to do her journalism for some reason. People were really into this theory, especially after Chloe mentions a cousin named Lois. People figured that is where she will get the name from. In which nope turns out her cousin is literally Lois Lane. Still I think it would have been interesting if they did run with that theory.
I've always disliked love triangles. Occasionally, there's one that's done in a way that's fresh and different, but most of the time, it's just an excuse to drive a wedge between characters or add complications to a developing romance and create utterly hollow drama that's irrelevant to the themes of the larger story. This is why I respect Jenna Ortega for requesting no triangle for season 2 of Wednesday. What you hardly ever see in a TV show is people just being honest with each other and working it out. If I were running a CW show and they requested a love trangle, I'd give them a triad. No drama, just a committed relationship between three people who love each other.
someone speaking my thoughts lol the only good "triangle" is a "trio-ship", been my mantra for fandoms from day one! but I'm weak for them anyways cuz my mind first falls for the characters individually then be trying to mentally REWRITE all the canon messiness into smth more palatable 😅 ie OT3 or whatever.. sigh! for SV, "shipping ALL the ships" was my go-to, but my OTPs were ridiculously optimistic slash ones, of course.. Clark/Lex, Chloe/Lana best ❤
If Clark grew into loving Chloe, that would have made for the best couple. If they made Chloe’s letter to Clark come true, the story would have been sooo much better.
Concordo. Lana não gosta de garotos,gosta de homens. Um no exército,outro seu professor e outro era seu sócio. Clark e Chloe tem uma simbiose. Querem descobrir e investigar as coisas juntos. E ele tem aquela culpa com a Lana,por ser sua chegada a causa da morte dos pais dela.
it truly was Angstville 24/7, meanwhile I was just quietly being a more reasonable multi-shipper, cuz most all the main ships, were so cuute I could never really choose, like I would just spend every ep mentally rewriting all the messiness to instead just maximize the queerpoly potential of it all.. my version of Smallville was much more fun, way less drama & soap, just epic heroes all saving their world together each week ❤ long live CLEX, CHLANA, & all other faves!
Geez, she really is just casted as “love interest of other main character.” Granted, she was the lead main character in “Beauty and the Beast…” but really… it was always about her co-Star in it, and how they’ll end up together. Lana is only suppose to be Clark’s first love, that’s it, so why add in Chloe? I think what it came down to is, no one knew if this was a story where he ends up with Lois for the first three seasons… and then Lois is added and no one should’ve had a doubt that Lana and Clark would’ve just been a high school fling. Chloe was basically both Lois and Lana… but they added in Lois and Lana into the show, so her role should’ve definitely been more defined in the first two seasons.
I didn’t like it either. I did like how they ended Lana/Clark and built up Lois/Clark. But I wish Chloe had had her own love interest and not Clark, it just complicates everything all throughout the show
Well they even gave her a husband later in the series and were pretty clear by then that she was not still in love with Clark and had not been for a while.
I love the episode(s) where Chloe actually got to make out with Clark. Albeit, he was bad Clark, under the influence of red kryptonite, but you know, you take what you can get!😁
It Was Clark First Experience Being Like How Lionel Luthor Was Blind Cause By, Keith's Sound Pitch Ability With, Kryptonite Shards In The Eyes Clark Was Wanting Lana Lang's Comfort Despite Her Later Dating Adam Knight He Was Also Had A, Hidden Past Never Shown But, Wasn't Trustworthy If He Opened Up About, Lionel Luther Was Using Him For Learning Info On, Clark And, IF He Was Bruce Wayne Encognito He Would've Join Smallville's Justice League As, Batman Taking On, Lionel If Things Was Different Instead Of Being A, Villain Lab Spy
For me the big problem the writers have is that they are writing for a story that has it's ending already told by someone else. So while we like the Clark Lana young love interest we already know they do not end up together. I liked all the women characters I do not and did not get this pitting them against each other but I can understand Kristin's point that this how it was for them to experience. It is merely as device to keep the audience on the hook and slowly reeling them in. Also watching more than 1 episode a week can make you see programs differently and binge watching programs brings issues like this to the fore.
Well this was very refreshing! And FTR, i hateddddd Lana. Never liked seeing Chloe cry over Clark *all the time* and I loved Lois the second she showed up in season 4. I just really hated the way the writers made us wait 5 years for Clark and Lois to get together after she came on, and when they finally got together, it was because Lana was no longer on the show. It was such bullshit as they made it seem the only reason Clark was ever interested in Lois was cuz Lana was no longer around and that just wasn't true.
I hated that towards the end of the final season Lois decides to call off the wedding using the rationale that moments spent with her are moments he could be saving people. She does change her mind. For me this shows deep down she doesn't see him as a person. She almost views him as some sort of machine that saves people. Essentially what she was saying her is that Clark deserves to basically be in perpetual service to humanity. Chloe rightfully points out he needs time to rest, even if just mentally. Which again showed that chloey understood Clark better than anyone. It feels like he got with Lois because that is just what is supposed to happen.
@skurinski She wasn't. Lana was always Clark's "first love". Lois Lane was Clark's "True and forever" love. You even see Clark looking at Lana as a memory and putting her behind him, and Clark never flew with Lana, he flew with Lois. When he was " happy and complete" Lana kept Clark as a crying boy. (Annoyingly so) Lois turned Clark into a man....Superman. 👍🏽👍🏽
@@skurinskiTrue. The way they rushed the relationship was disingenuous too. Like we knew they would end up together. No need for all that drama and angst.
It got really good when chloe was on her own - dating the flash and dating green arrow was even better she was on her own loved that but hated they made her follow Clark like a puppy dog and as a burden . Making him feel bad for loving lana all the time.
I'm surprised to see this because my experience with the smallville Fandom has been the opposite. A lot of people disliked Lana and wanted him to get with Chloey. Why would you think people were invested in her future? People knew Clark would not end up with her.
@@ChestRockwell24 that's not true. Plenty of people love Lana and dont like Chloe. Also there was no guarantee the show would end up with Clark and Lois, no one knew it would last 10 seasons, plus they werent obliged to follow comics. Look at Arrow...
I stopped watching "Smallville" until the beginning of Season Seven because of this triangle. Season Two and Three was a chore to get through because of this triangle. I mean, it wasn't even a triangle really, Kal-El was only interested in Lana and for me, being a big Superman fan before "Smallville" I knew Kal wasn't going to end up with either Chloe or Lana, so in my mind, I am thinking, "Either have Clark with Lana or have him be single until he realizes how he feels about Lois." 🙄
the only character I "hated" was Lionel, I mean he was seriously screwed up & at one point, I was just hoping the series wd be unique & have him be the real main villain while this Lex overcame the horrible fate being pushed on him, & that wd make for an epic twist & interesting future stories, but then it felt like the writers tried to undo it when they attempted a redemption?? story of sorts for Lionel which, bothered me even more ~how they did it lol oyyy.. 😩 but yeah never wdve transferred that ire to actors! plus I was too busy being a multi-shipper & dreaming of how to rewrite it w/queerpoly happy characters instead of Angstville 24/7 that it was, not worth fighting over really!
Somehow I wasn’t sold on Lois and Clark, the way it was written. I don’t understand why they had to put them in a serious relationship so soon, when we knew they were ultimately endgame. And it was only a detail of the Clark Kent story, before he became Superman. Also they spent so many seasons building up this epic romance between Clark and Lana, for it to stick.
got me tripping just tryna write it out, like Pete/Chloe/Clark/Lana/Lex - wait, let's try this again.. Lex/Clark/Lana/Chloe/Jimmy/Kara - er, Lois/Clark/Chloe/Oliver.. uh, I give up 🤔 LOL 😅
Não adianta criticar e ficar chateado. Simplesmente porque foi o triângulo amoroso que cativou tantos jovens para assistir assiduamente essa série. Chloe e Clark fizeram as melhores cenas de Smallville.
the problem is romance storylines drive a lot of these shows. and the tension is the will they/won't they, but once the tension is gone and a couple starts off officially, the interest in the storyline is basically over. but that's why you've got to have other storylines to drive a show
that's why it's better to have a plan for not just the buildup to "will they get together" but the switch to "will they survive & get even stronger thru their adventures" - for some reason many shows seem ~allergic to that concept, very few have made it work! some technically did but still got so ~soapy that it felt more like a fail anyways.. 🤔
I don't think it would have come off as annoying if the characters actually looked like teenagers. Because out of all the girls, Chloe is the most relatable one, and she doesn't get the guy.
That’s a chick thing right there, guys judge characters by their actual character and how vital they are to the story and show. I’d prefer the main character be the one with the lasting relationship, no drama, no games, letting the secondaries bounce around.
As much as I'd love to agree with you that those stories wouldn't happen again. Well, they have and are much worse in shows like Riverdale, Xmen and Stranger Things. And all they ever do is damage the show I've never seen a love triangle that actually adds to a show.
bad writers are the fault of that, not the actual triangles.. I swear it's possible to write a good one, but seems the only shows that get greenlit & the only writers that get hired are ones willing to pour the soap on mixed in with endless unnecessary angst & "drama for the sake of drama" 😓 so then I get to do the exhausting work of mentally rewriting everything I watch to be better, ie 10x more ~sensible, 100x less angsty!! & turning the queerpoly potential dial ALL the way up for ultimate fanon cuuteness 💜
@@SimbiAni You may be right. But honestly, whether it's just bad writing (and it is) or not, I think it's an overused trope that's always used in the wrong way. I think it's just better if shows stay away from love triangles in general because they're overused, and I truly believe people are tired of seeing them. However, you are very right about the need for more queer relationships on shows in general.
Love triangle aside, this show also committed my other (yet equally hated) trope of having someone pine constantly for someone they'll never get. It just sends a bad message all around. "Keep trying to get with the person who repeatedly says no, they'll come around eventually." Fuck. That.
Teen girls might love it, but the teen guys? Nah. I was like 17 when i began watching this show. The love triangle stuff was irrelevant to me I just liked the super hero stuff.
@@jfearless3420like because you found her attractive? Because the character herself is quite boring. I just never cared about her dead parents or her coffee shop she runs. And then she hooks up with Lex. It got cringe.
This show had up to 22 episodes a season. These types of storylines were probably used as filler and the main character was a (Super)guy. Not sure it would work as well if Clark and Pete were going after Lana. Possibly, but that type of show works better if two women like the superstud. They're good B-storylines that tend to work when concluded on the season one finale. They work even better on a show that has 8 episodes (maybe 12). It does get old if the storyline goes on too long.
Yes! KILL THE LOVE TRIANGLE! They STILL happen today, like on Wednesday! Thankfully they're supposed to be killing it off. Jenna Ortega even became an executive producer and has said she'd rather Wednesday's character not have *any* love interest at all, which I think it more in the spirit of the character.
Chloe should have ended up with Clark! It would have been a perfect storyline of friends developing into more. Showing how just passion doesn’t lead to a lasting relationship.
How do people look at Clark shooting Chloe down every single time, never giving her a chance, and think that there was a triangle? Chloe was a third wheel, not a third line.
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it wasn't really Clark's fault though if you recall he did get with Chloe for like 5 minutes in the season 1 finale. but that love triangle went on far too long
They teased the potential enough that people were in. And his relationship with Lana was always just so sad and dramatic, with all the lying and the secrets. Any time they teased the idea of him with Chloe it was much more free and happy. Especially in later seasons
@CassieHedger89 I do think lana should have been told sooner and not died cuz of it that was ficking stupid
@@CassieHedger89 That's a nice way to put it
I would listen to an entire episode just with Kristin talking about the books behind her
same
Agree
Kristin is so beautiful & well spoken
She was, but what's with all the makeup and the moustache?
CW built their entire brand upon love triangles, lol. 😂
And the girl always end up with the douchebag. Talk about female empowerment…
Well I mean Chloe loved her best friend. Who loved Lana. Who was with Withney. Sadly it’s true life. But yes drama. And I felt it was realistic.
But Whitney died, and she broke up with him before to be with Clark. So it’s, Clark loves Lana, Lana loves Clark, Chloe loves Clark but sees Lana as a sister; thus far
@@motodog242I always wondered if part of the reason chloey let Lana live with her was because she thought maybe Lana wouldn't pursue Clark out of gratitude.
This particular love triangle was highly annoying when everyone who knew anything about Superman knew very well who he was going to end up in the end, and she wasn't even part of the triangle.
It kind of reminds me of star wars the clone wars. It's a great show, but we know how this all turns out. We know the jedi fall and anakin turns evil.
@@ChestRockwell24I think that adds to the tragedy of the Prequels.
@@crusader2112 In some ways it does. It is tragic to see Anakin. In the movie he is kind of a moody asshole. The cartoon series shows he really wasn't, he was a good person that got corrupted.
On the other hand we also know that certain characters will always get out of a jam because they are alive during episode 3. So the peril isn't really there.
except Lois was never meant to be in Smallville, she was irrelevant
@@ChestRockwell24just had to chime in 9 months later to agree that Clone Wars was and still is such a great show that it was ahead of it’s time when it debuted. That Anakin was the Anakin we deserved and were supposed to get in the prequels (no hate to Hayden, I love him but the writers gave him such a whiny emo role to play). Clone Wars actually makes you respect and admire Anakin, making his fall the tragedy it was meant to be in the movies
I always enjoy hearing Kristin’s viewpoints
Loved Smallville…
I agree with Kristin, I'm not the biggest fan of love triangles either, plus I liked Lana, Chloe and Lois equally. 👍🏻
I pick Lois, but the Smallville incarnation. When I rewatched the show, I tell my daughters to be like Lois.
@@JCJMC21 fair enough. But still I like Lana and Chloe as well. 👍🏻
Lana Lang still loves Ck in smallville season 11 comic...her character need to stay away from Clark as her character wore a suit which was capable to absorb kryptonite..........
And all of them were friends at one point, and all loved Clark!😂I loved Smallville so much!
@@gargaritaladybug6997 I agree. 👍🏻
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I’m hope in season 3 they get Kristen to join permanently I love these 3
Yeah, love triangles are absolutely terrible. But even then, it wasn’t limited to just CW shows. I remember Lost, which looking back was one of the more forward thinking dramas, has the insufferable love triangle between Jack/Sawyer/Kate for the first 5 seasons. It worked on network tv somehow 😂
it's not network tv it depends on how it's done i think it can be done well or it could be done really fucking Poorly. on LOST It was done well.
i don't mind them sometimes but they do get really tiring, on Castle they also did it as well and it was done well but you didn't have Rick or Kate for that Matter act like fucking idiots if something was said at least i don't think that did happen? the will they or won't they are tiring as well. though i did end up Loving Magnum when they changed Higgin's Gender i knew that's what they were going to do, but with that show they didn't smother you in it though it as it was a slow build cause they focused on character development and the higgy and Magnum didn't really do scenes like with i want to be her/him etc..
so it was done well
love triangles are real, it happens in schools all the time. It's sucha teengager thing
@EviIM0nk3y I know it is but it also happens on tv shows and movies a lot too. It happens out of high school as well
I loved this discussion! I've always thought this persistent focus on the relationship drama was one of the weaker parts of Smallville. Chloe and Clark's friendship stabilizes in season 3, if I remember correctly. For Chloe, Clark is the one that got away, and I think a lot of us can empathize with that. As for Lana, I feel like she as a character lacked a certain amount of self-definition outside of the relationships. Michael is correct that it makes the character weaker. As soon as Lois showed up, most of the audience was pretty ready for Clark to move on, but the drama with Lana went on until season 7.
I can’t believe they did Lana and lex like what the actual hell lol
nah I wanted Clark to stay with Lana. Felt his relationship with Lois was forced and rushed
@@skurinskiThank you. I needed them to become friends first. And have a real buildup, not this Twilight bullshit.
I agree but I also think it was part of Clark’s development that they wanted to finally wrap up. So he could be ready for Lois, despite it taking forever. In real life too, it takes most of us a long time to get over our firsts loves. Some guys hold on to it forever and start treating women badly now because of their hearts being broken. Not trying to rag on guys or anything, but if is a very real reality too. Women do this as well. But I agree they could have wrapped it up in season 4/5 and allowed her character to have her own sorta arc that takes her off the show. Although I kind of like the way things went at the same time. I agree with Kristen too though, love triangles are so outdated and I can’t stand when it’s a constant angle done in these shows/movies. There is so much more opportunity to develop women and showcase their emotional maturity as well. I was really proud of Clark by season 9, I was like, finally, he’s over Lana and he can move forward to her being the one. I hated that in the red kryptonite episode Lois kisses clark and he’s back to that more edgy version of Clark but he’s still hung up on Lana, and Lois is like let the past go, this is your future and he’s like we’re in the present. I was eye rolling all the way through that, like come on and then at the end of the episode Clark is talking to Lois and she’s likeC “I must have really liked you” because of her burning him a white snake CD (lol I do like the classic making him a CD bit) even tho we had mp3 players back then tho lol) but still that’s the moment where Clark should have realized that it was okay to move on, but I’m sure the writers had rules if they wanted to keep their jobs. It is what it is, but I loved show overall despite the creepy, pervy moments with Lex lol. They can’t get away with that now in these shows now, they would get cancelled immediately which would be natural given the content, it’s inappropriate. A cop out triangle was done because they knew he would exit the show soon, so they didn’t wanna waste time bringing in a new character. Plus it would keep the tensions between Lex and Clark.
Sorry - I got super into what I was saying. Have an awesome day! 😁
@@mightybitchythey did become friends first they were friends for literally 5 seasons before getting together
Really good point about the fandom disliking them because of the love triangles.
Looking back, this is one of the reasons I really liked it when the girls were just getting along as friends not romantic rivals
Kristin looks better now than ever...also she looks great and those books also look great...she has got brains and beauty...respect
For me it never felt liked a Love Triangle. Chloe just had a crush. It seemed it didn’t last. for Clark it’s always been Lana or Louise. I never looked at anyone less professional. By the way Michael Rosenbaum is the best Lex in media. (Tv and films, animated and live action).
I disagree with your lex comment. If you'd said "best live action lex" then okay, but you included animation.
The Lex Luthor voiced by Clancy Brown is the best. He appears in the 90s superman cartoon and then later in the justice league cartoon. Funny enough: Rosenbaum voices the flash in the same justice league cartoons.
I loved the Smallville show enough I bought the set from season's one to ten , and I love hearing your perspectives on scenerios like the love triangle . I often wondered how you guys felt about the show . Thanks for your perspective !
I get what they're saying, for sure. But I think it has to be acknowledged that love triangles do happen in real life. Not as dramatically as in a lot of these shows, but they happen, especially when you're young and hormones are pushing you in all directions.
What always annoyed me was when a love triangle made it obvious who the person was going to choose, and the other was just a speed bump to delay the intended couple from getting together like Kristin said. It comes down to how it's written
Hell, my friend is in a love triangle right now, and he's 33 years old. It's hella dramatic but also very entertaining. 😂😂
Wow, great insight, never thought of it this way. But just like how social media gets major business from outrage, it seems like the fact that it created this toxic, tribal fandom equated to passionate loyal viewers for the show. That’s gotta be why it became a pillar of every one of the networks shows
Ive watch the whole series a couple of times through (I was unemployed and needed an escape) and the writers definitely made the whole thing WAY more melodramatic than they needed to. But then I felt that Chloe was superfluous once Lois was introduced into the show. And you can tell because they kept changing Chloe's role. She was the confidente, the secret keeper, but thats not a job and she had to do something else once Lois and Clark started reporting. So they inflected her with Brainiac and turned her into a super hacker. Honestly, Chloe should have died or left Smallville somewhere in the mid-point of the run. Before Doomsday and the two Jimmy Olsons.
I actually liked the way they handled her. She wanted to be a journalist, essentially be a Lois lane(this is why early on people thought she would somehow become lois). Then she finds out about Clark's powers and sees that maybe she can also take on a bigger role.
And also, not to nitpick, but she was super hacker even before brainiac, and after that entire thing was over she still had her skills. I like how in the end she basically is like a talent scout for the justice league, bringing all these amazing beings together.
@@ChestRockwell24I ageee, they handled her well. I wish they would have done something similar with Lana, despite the love triangle drama she deserved better. That whole season 4 witch stuff was so 🤦🏼♀️ annoying, like give her something else for her to exist. Like she’s not just meant to be in smallville to love men, she’s bright and smart. Capable too, she could have a better storyline. I didn’t like for how they wrote her off but honestly after a while of the on/off again clark/Lana thing they made me like excited back when she left the show now rewatching it as an adult, I’m like really? Come on. But that’s how it was back then. Sucks, but I love hearing Kristen’s take on everything, she’s so intelligent and speaks on everything we were all thinking lol
I won’t lie i think it’s just a teen drama. The CWs bread and butter. It almost feels like a contractual obligation on being on the network lol. It’s how the show could sell itself to a wide audience
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I love this insight into it. I will say, they used that love triangle for maximum effect in season three when Chloe goes evil for a second. And evil without kryptonite. She’s just angry… and it was so human, so awesome.
It's true what Kristen said it's crazy to think! It got hard when it was Lois and Lana, I could never choose between them.
I understand their frustration but as someone who lived as a teen in the early 2000s, highschool love triangles uh….were a thing.
Where can I ask my Poolhall Junkies questions Lex Luthor?!
Amazing how Kristin looks better with the years. 😮❤
Yeah it's funny cause I find her more attractive now for some reason too, she aged very well. I think it's her looks too but also how grounded she seems, very rare for an actress from nowadays.
I loved all the characters with no hating, except Linda lake in the later seasons. She was pure evil haha lol. I didn't hate her technically, she just was cruel.
On Kristin's shelf "The Hobbit & The Lord of the Rings Boxed Set: Illustrated edition" my respect for that
to be fair, i like some kind of hint of love triangle, if you know what i mean
it's alright, if as a viewer you're suspecting it, show gives you a little hints, there's a sympathy between some characters, even a little more than platonic, but if these love triangles become quite significant part of the plot, it becomes tiresome and boring
I like her bookshelf.
I don’t mind a love triangle when it doesn’t become the characters’ entire storylines or a crutch the show falls back on that detracts from the main story. But yeah when there’s two female love interests, their entire story does seem to revolve around the main male character's feelings about them that week or episode and both women/girls always end up hated, with one viewed as the villain preventing the other from becoming the “real” sole love interest. Yet this doesn’t often happen with male love interests, coz the show will somehow find a way to revolve around those two, not the female lead
Was it ever really a love triangle though? Other than prom, I never thought there would be anything between Clark & Chloe.
It was just Chloe pining for Clark. Which is why it was cruel for Clark to invite her to prom when he knew how she felt.
To be fair I think he wanted to like her and get over Lana, but ended up using her. He was still a teenager himself though, but yeah it wasn't very nice and I'm not sure if I recall him ever saying sorry.
@@ChestRockwell24 he never said sorry this the thing why I some times I hate Clark he does something and doesn’t apologize because of his attitude of the situation and then expect people move on when it’s not a big deal
@@ChestRockwell24If I recall well, he never said they were an item. Just two friends who go to the dance together.
- Kristin Kreuk: "Those stories wouldn't be written today"
- Smallville creators who made Wednesday in 2022: hold my beer
If what Jenna Ortega says is accurate and they're moving away from love interests in season 2, that will help that situation. I actually rather enjoyed the love triangle in Wednesday, you can definitely see why these two guys would be into Wednesday.
@@matthewjordan7297 I know they're doing that for S2, thank God. Good for you for enjoying the love triangle, I found it to be incredibly lame
@@matthewjordan7297Wenesday has a Lot more agency than Clark. Imo
I'm not a fan of love triangles or romance stories in general, but oddly there is a massive fan base for those shipping wars.
The love triangle made zero sense. Wednesday is a cold, detached person, antisocial to the point of violence. She legit tortured one of the boys who liked her. It would make more sense to focus on the horror, and on her coming to terms with her maturity.
she’s right, and I think this is unfortunately common in every fandom. The vitriol women in love triangles on shows get is so wrong. It’s like people can’t separate reel from real
It's not really a triangle if one of them never stood a chance
And this is the biggest shame of SV in my opinion. If there was one thing that was unbelievable about the show, it’s not that Clark came from another planet and had powers, it’s that Lana would stick around for Clark for 6 YEARS going through this. Any sane person would have cut their losses and moved on by season 3. And that “will they won’t they” only led to a hand full of episode of actual relationship for it to go to shit again. I personally felt robbed because Lana is Clark’s gf in the comics in HS and in this show, that’s not what happened. It became so toxic! That Bizarro episode is so hard to watch now 🥶 But I’m glad it’s not just me, and that the actors themselves felt that way. The way Clark was gaslighting Lana was breath taking 😂 “Lana, I wasn’t in that truck. There’s nothing that means more to me than your eyes. But who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes???” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m so glad they didn’t to this on The Flash because that would have been *pure* bs since Iris is his whole foundation for keeping his sanity among all temporal changes. And the show didn’t die when Barry and Iris got together. There’s so much story to tell about making a relationship work. I guess because of the times the SV writers didn’t see that. “Will they won’t they” was everywhere on every show.
As far as the "hate" for female leads goes... It's probably more that some people liked Chloe / Lana / Lois more, and it wasn't so much about who Clark liked, as much as, who that viewer wanted to see win and be happy (and who they thus saw as obstacles to said win and happiness)
I think I liked Chloe more back then, although 20 years later, rewatching it a little with family, I'm more partial to Lana for some reason... Maybe because I've had Asian girlfriends in the years between. lol
I hate love triangles... unless everyone is included!!😂😂
seriously lol everytime I encounter them in stories now I'm like, this writing better not be making me fall for ANOTHER character only to waste our time & energy by putting them all thru stupid "jealousy" type drama!
Kristen has it bang on. Not a fan of love triangles and agree with what she said. It could be exhausting.
It's kind of hard to have the will they/won't they? be effective with Clark and Lana at all when we all know he ends up with Lois.
Clark Chloe and Lana wasn't a love triangle. The only times Clark kissed Chloe that I can remember, were during I believe it was their Homecoming dance, and after getting the class ring made of red kryptonite. That's it. The rest of the time, Clark's testicles were safely tucked away in Lana's purse. He dated other women for one episode at a time, if even that long. Lana on the other hand, dated Clark, Clark's football coach, Clark's best friend, Clark's twin. I remember a while back, while watching the series, I wrote out a full psychoanalysis of Lana Lang. Michael might like reading something like that, it would add a whole other dimension to the Talkville podcast.
Kristin to piękna kobieta ♥️mój typ. Mądra, Czarująca, ponętna, śliczna i ciemnowłosa 😘
Até aqui no Brasil,esse triângulo era muito melodramático! Mas acho que a Chloe sabia de tudo,mas mesmo assim,não queria perder nenhum dos dois. E a Lana é muito fura olho, só decide falar com Whitney quando vê o Clark segurando a mão da Chloe no café!
I liked all 3 ladies
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As far as romance goes, I think Smallville came at a time of transition between the earlier form of superheroes and current form. In the past, there would often be no romance at all because it distracts from the adventure.
Even superhero couples usually wouldn't have much PDA or expression of romance.
I personally liked the focus on just the adventure in such shows. Romances take up screen time - although one imagines that it also makes the shows more approachable to girls.
Kristen is more beautiful today than ever❤
How was Chole even a love Triangle? She was basically just a third wheel. Although if they wanted to be more accurate to the comics, Clark should have just dated Lana until he moved Metropolis and then you could have seen how Lana and Clark slowly became into Lois and Clark.
I'd have much preferred that. They could have focused on but trying to hook her up with Lex, and not tried to ruin her character.
Honestly, towards the end the writing just let her down hardcore. They had no idea what to do with Lana so they just turned on a Soap Opera and said: "YESSS" and copied that.
Meanwhile, character growth everywhere else....-ish.
@@ArtimidorusDidn’t the actress wanted to leave the show?
That’s what they should’ve done. The Lois and Clark thing never established before Clark became Superman.
Just to answer your q - the "love triangle" trope has zero to do with "logic" & relies solely on audiences perceiving a potential fave choice to root for a relationship with the character(s) they're focused on.. thus the favoritism by the extremist "fans" & how shipwars happen, even with unlikely, unreasonable, or even impossible combos. Then there's the subtropes - so many will always have a soft spot for "best friends that find love together", it's inevitable that any such pair will end up with some viewers cheering them on. Add to that, promotional material, various reviews, discussions, etc including magazine interviews which zoom in on all those tropes.. & they push the idea more to further audiences that fall for it. That all definitely factored in here too. 🤷♀️
The last comment yes! So true every show had the love triangle. OTH/ had me h4ting so much Payton for a while. SMALLVILLE had me h4ting on Lana. Vampire Diaries having love triangle was the whole show plot 😂. Funny how I never realized now stuff like that. Kristen said something interesting about the “time” yeah on todays time that wouldn’t be possible.
As I've said before I've always hated love triangles in shows. They just drag them down and creat unnessacery drama that isn't needed. Smallville was honestly no exception to that. I agree with Michael that they really became annoying after a great while, particularily the Clark/Chloe/Lana triangle in the early seasons. Sometimes I honestly felt a little bit of a headache watching this triangle play out. Also in later seasons the Clark/Lex/Lana love triangle got annoying and cringy. I'm glad Kristin has tried to avoid them on other shows she has been in since. Even if she may have had some. Case in point season 2 of Beauty and the Beast. But, again, they really aren't ever needed.
I was a Chloe - Clark shipper.
Chloe becomes a much better character once they start working at the Planet and became great friends
Best show ever.
Lana and Clark were such a perfect couple that they had to come up with a pathetic excuse to separate them. Lana turned into living kryptonite... are you serious??
I feel like Chloe got the worst possible outcomes in this entire show and she deserved so much more because she was the only one who truly love clark and he NEVER saw her or even valued her.
Didn’t mind the Clark, Chloe and Lana love triangle it’s not the problem it’s clana stuff even watching 5 seasons it’s so annoying I don’t get how much we have to make Lana stop with her obsession over Clark’s secret to this I’m like how long is that take like oh my god
How can she be so beautiful with the camera shooting up her nose?
I ain't gonna lie, the three major times Chloe was on Clark was exciting. Alison had a cute sexuality going, but everyone knew it wasn't supposed to be... But it was fun lol
I disagree with you on one point: that everyone knew it wasn't meant to be.
Lois Lane shows up in season 4, but prior to that for years I would read passionate theories online about how chloey would somehow become Lois lane. Like she would take the name Lois lane to do her journalism for some reason. People were really into this theory, especially after Chloe mentions a cousin named Lois. People figured that is where she will get the name from.
In which nope turns out her cousin is literally Lois Lane. Still I think it would have been interesting if they did run with that theory.
I've always disliked love triangles. Occasionally, there's one that's done in a way that's fresh and different, but most of the time, it's just an excuse to drive a wedge between characters or add complications to a developing romance and create utterly hollow drama that's irrelevant to the themes of the larger story.
This is why I respect Jenna Ortega for requesting no triangle for season 2 of Wednesday.
What you hardly ever see in a TV show is people just being honest with each other and working it out. If I were running a CW show and they requested a love trangle, I'd give them a triad. No drama, just a committed relationship between three people who love each other.
someone speaking my thoughts lol the only good "triangle" is a "trio-ship", been my mantra for fandoms from day one! but I'm weak for them anyways cuz my mind first falls for the characters individually then be trying to mentally REWRITE all the canon messiness into smth more palatable 😅 ie OT3 or whatever.. sigh! for SV, "shipping ALL the ships" was my go-to, but my OTPs were ridiculously optimistic slash ones, of course.. Clark/Lex, Chloe/Lana best ❤
I liked this love triangle
If Clark grew into loving Chloe, that would have made for the best couple.
If they made Chloe’s letter to Clark come true, the story would have been sooo much better.
Oh God I forgot about the letter. Legit felt bad for her.
100%
Concordo. Lana não gosta de garotos,gosta de homens. Um no exército,outro seu professor e outro era seu sócio. Clark e Chloe tem uma simbiose. Querem descobrir e investigar as coisas juntos. E ele tem aquela culpa com a Lana,por ser sua chegada a causa da morte dos pais dela.
Agreed. This love triangle got old..
it truly was Angstville 24/7, meanwhile I was just quietly being a more reasonable multi-shipper, cuz most all the main ships, were so cuute I could never really choose, like I would just spend every ep mentally rewriting all the messiness to instead just maximize the queerpoly potential of it all.. my version of Smallville was much more fun, way less drama & soap, just epic heroes all saving their world together each week ❤ long live CLEX, CHLANA, & all other faves!
Don’t forget they were in high school. That’s high school.
Geez, she really is just casted as “love interest of other main character.” Granted, she was the lead main character in “Beauty and the Beast…” but really… it was always about her co-Star in it, and how they’ll end up together.
Lana is only suppose to be Clark’s first love, that’s it, so why add in Chloe? I think what it came down to is, no one knew if this was a story where he ends up with Lois for the first three seasons… and then Lois is added and no one should’ve had a doubt that Lana and Clark would’ve just been a high school fling. Chloe was basically both Lois and Lana… but they added in Lois and Lana into the show, so her role should’ve definitely been more defined in the first two seasons.
Lois came in season 4 and i'm sure you know that they were not allowed to use her before that due to the Superman returns's film if i recall.
Yeah from what I remember they weren't sure if they could have a Lois. Chloe was kind of a stand in til then
@CassieHedger89 yeah and a great character too especially once she got over clark I think
I didn’t like it either. I did like how they ended Lana/Clark and built up Lois/Clark. But I wish Chloe had had her own love interest and not Clark, it just complicates everything all throughout the show
Well they even gave her a husband later in the series and were pretty clear by then that she was not still in love with Clark and had not been for a while.
I always thought Clark and Chloe should have gotten together at least for a little awhile.
I mean she got Jimmy Olsen, then she got Oliver Queen.
@@BreezyDylan She got Henry Olsen
@@giovannigiovanni.7220I forgot allll about that!
It’s only a love triangle if Clark had feeling for both girls he only loved Lana Chloe just fancied him
I love the episode(s) where Chloe actually got to make out with Clark. Albeit, he was bad Clark, under the influence of red kryptonite, but you know, you take what you can get!😁
Yeah but unfortunately chloey doesn't remember it happened.
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For me the big problem the writers have is that they are writing for a story that has it's ending already told by someone else. So while we like the Clark Lana young love interest we already know they do not end up together.
I liked all the women characters I do not and did not get this pitting them against each other but I can understand Kristin's point that this how it was for them to experience.
It is merely as device to keep the audience on the hook and slowly reeling them in. Also watching more than 1 episode a week can make you see programs differently and binge watching programs brings issues like this to the fore.
I never liked love triangles in any show at all.
This Podcast name is wrong, you missed the opportunity to call it "Smalltalk"
Well this was very refreshing! And FTR, i hateddddd Lana. Never liked seeing Chloe cry over Clark *all the time* and I loved Lois the second she showed up in season 4.
I just really hated the way the writers made us wait 5 years for Clark and Lois to get together after she came on, and when they finally got together, it was because Lana was no longer on the show. It was such bullshit as they made it seem the only reason Clark was ever interested in Lois was cuz Lana was no longer around and that just wasn't true.
I hated that towards the end of the final season Lois decides to call off the wedding using the rationale that moments spent with her are moments he could be saving people. She does change her mind.
For me this shows deep down she doesn't see him as a person. She almost views him as some sort of machine that saves people. Essentially what she was saying her is that Clark deserves to basically be in perpetual service to humanity. Chloe rightfully points out he needs time to rest, even if just mentally.
Which again showed that chloey understood Clark better than anyone. It feels like he got with Lois because that is just what is supposed to happen.
I hated Lois so I was glad the show made her seem like Clark's second choice, which she was.
@skurinski She wasn't. Lana was always Clark's "first love". Lois Lane was Clark's "True and forever" love. You even see Clark looking at Lana as a memory and putting her behind him, and Clark never flew with Lana, he flew with Lois. When he was " happy and complete" Lana kept Clark as a crying boy. (Annoyingly so) Lois turned Clark into a man....Superman. 👍🏽👍🏽
@@ChestRockwell24 Definitely disagree. 1000% disagree. And I'll leave it at that.
@@skurinskiTrue. The way they rushed the relationship was disingenuous too. Like we knew they would end up together. No need for all that drama and angst.
It got really good when chloe was on her own - dating the flash and dating green arrow was even better she was on her own loved that but hated they made her follow Clark like a puppy dog and as a burden . Making him feel bad for loving lana all the time.
She's an actress filming at an angle going up her nose
She is really beautiful but no one looks good at that angle
I hated the love triangle and Chloe was an annoying character. Lana had a very interesting character and as a fan you were invested in her future.
I'm surprised to see this because my experience with the smallville Fandom has been the opposite. A lot of people disliked Lana and wanted him to get with Chloey.
Why would you think people were invested in her future? People knew Clark would not end up with her.
@@ChestRockwell24 that's not true. Plenty of people love Lana and dont like Chloe. Also there was no guarantee the show would end up with Clark and Lois, no one knew it would last 10 seasons, plus they werent obliged to follow comics. Look at Arrow...
Lmaoo I felt this
I stopped watching "Smallville" until the beginning of Season Seven because of this triangle. Season Two and Three was a chore to get through because of this triangle. I mean, it wasn't even a triangle really, Kal-El was only interested in Lana and for me, being a big Superman fan before "Smallville" I knew Kal wasn't going to end up with either Chloe or Lana, so in my mind, I am thinking, "Either have Clark with Lana or have him be single until he realizes how he feels about Lois." 🙄
I never got into the hating a woman cause Clark didn't like them thing. Or hating any character really..
Correct. I disliked Lana because she was a very boring character. The fact Clark was so into her made it all that much more perplexing.
the only character I "hated" was Lionel, I mean he was seriously screwed up & at one point, I was just hoping the series wd be unique & have him be the real main villain while this Lex overcame the horrible fate being pushed on him, & that wd make for an epic twist & interesting future stories, but then it felt like the writers tried to undo it when they attempted a redemption?? story of sorts for Lionel which, bothered me even more ~how they did it lol oyyy.. 😩 but yeah never wdve transferred that ire to actors! plus I was too busy being a multi-shipper & dreaming of how to rewrite it w/queerpoly happy characters instead of Angstville 24/7 that it was, not worth fighting over really!
lana actress has lord of the rings book there so its a win for her :P
I think Smallville is a special case in that we all knew it was Lois so the love triangle was really stupid.
Exactly.
Somehow I wasn’t sold on Lois and Clark, the way it was written. I don’t understand why they had to put them in a serious relationship so soon, when we knew they were ultimately endgame. And it was only a detail of the Clark Kent story, before he became Superman. Also they spent so many seasons building up this epic romance between Clark and Lana, for it to stick.
Lois was only introduced in Season 4, before that it was all Lana.
Oh, God. I always hated the Chloe Sullivan character. She was A combination of several other characters from the comics.
Chloe was literally the best character in the show she was amazing and helpful at first she was annoying but she got better
@@kirstencovington2117 No, she wasn't. She was three characters combine.
She was either too insecure or too cocky.
Actually the love triangle ended up having 4 sides, so it was a love trapazoid.
got me tripping just tryna write it out, like Pete/Chloe/Clark/Lana/Lex - wait, let's try this again.. Lex/Clark/Lana/Chloe/Jimmy/Kara - er, Lois/Clark/Chloe/Oliver.. uh, I give up 🤔 LOL 😅
Still not sure why they kept the romance Lana past S4-5
Não adianta criticar e ficar chateado. Simplesmente porque foi o triângulo amoroso que cativou tantos jovens para assistir assiduamente essa série. Chloe e Clark fizeram as melhores cenas de Smallville.
E parceria! Se entendiam no olhar! Chlark ❤!
Kristin Kreuk is so are about Smallville love triangle.
She stated it was what the writers did to extend storylines.
the problem is romance storylines drive a lot of these shows. and the tension is the will they/won't they, but once the tension is gone and a couple starts off officially, the interest in the storyline is basically over.
but that's why you've got to have other storylines to drive a show
that's why it's better to have a plan for not just the buildup to "will they get together" but the switch to "will they survive & get even stronger thru their adventures" - for some reason many shows seem ~allergic to that concept, very few have made it work! some technically did but still got so ~soapy that it felt more like a fail anyways.. 🤔
I don't think it would have come off as annoying if the characters actually looked like teenagers. Because out of all the girls, Chloe is the most relatable one, and she doesn't get the guy.
That’s a chick thing right there, guys judge characters by their actual character and how vital they are to the story and show. I’d prefer the main character be the one with the lasting relationship, no drama, no games, letting the secondaries bounce around.
I never even saw this as a love triangle because Clark never liked Chloe romantically, he was going to choose Lana everytime
As much as I'd love to agree with you that those stories wouldn't happen again. Well, they have and are much worse in shows like Riverdale, Xmen and Stranger Things. And all they ever do is damage the show I've never seen a love triangle that actually adds to a show.
bad writers are the fault of that, not the actual triangles.. I swear it's possible to write a good one, but seems the only shows that get greenlit & the only writers that get hired are ones willing to pour the soap on mixed in with endless unnecessary angst & "drama for the sake of drama" 😓 so then I get to do the exhausting work of mentally rewriting everything I watch to be better, ie 10x more ~sensible, 100x less angsty!! & turning the queerpoly potential dial ALL the way up for ultimate fanon cuuteness 💜
@@SimbiAni You may be right. But honestly, whether it's just bad writing (and it is) or not, I think it's an overused trope that's always used in the wrong way. I think it's just better if shows stay away from love triangles in general because they're overused, and I truly believe people are tired of seeing them. However, you are very right about the need for more queer relationships on shows in general.
Love triangle aside, this show also committed my other (yet equally hated) trope of having someone pine constantly for someone they'll never get. It just sends a bad message all around. "Keep trying to get with the person who repeatedly says no, they'll come around eventually." Fuck. That.
You both forget that this show was for teens so although you didnt like the love triangles your teen audience ate up all of that stuff.
I was a teenager once. I hate love triangle
@@I-speak-U-shut-it were you a teenager in the early 2000s though?
Teen girls might love it, but the teen guys? Nah. I was like 17 when i began watching this show. The love triangle stuff was irrelevant to me I just liked the super hero stuff.
I liked the super hero stuff too, but i really watched it for Lana.
@@jfearless3420like because you found her attractive? Because the character herself is quite boring. I just never cared about her dead parents or her coffee shop she runs. And then she hooks up with Lex. It got cringe.
This came out a few days before Allison Mack was released from Federal Prison
Oh she's finally out? *oof* gonna be a messy long road for her.
@@blackdogbrown Fact
This show had up to 22 episodes a season. These types of storylines were probably used as filler and the main character was a (Super)guy. Not sure it would work as well if Clark and Pete were going after Lana. Possibly, but that type of show works better if two women like the superstud. They're good B-storylines that tend to work when concluded on the season one finale. They work even better on a show that has 8 episodes (maybe 12). It does get old if the storyline goes on too long.
Yes! KILL THE LOVE TRIANGLE! They STILL happen today, like on Wednesday! Thankfully they're supposed to be killing it off. Jenna Ortega even became an executive producer and has said she'd rather Wednesday's character not have *any* love interest at all, which I think it more in the spirit of the character.
Yeah I'm still team Kristen Kreuk
Chloe should have ended up with Clark!
It would have been a perfect storyline of friends developing into more.
Showing how just passion doesn’t lead to a lasting relationship.