I'm not sure that the data was collected correctly. I don't know. Did they power brake the Dodge? If they did the revs would have been higher and the torque higher. I don't get the joy of driving an electric motor. I've only ever driven electric Karts so what do I know. They were quick but "soulless". As I've said before, I hope when electric cars are the norm, self driving will be too. That way I won't have to drive.
Great video! I would love to see a final chart with 0-30, 0-60, and quarter mile times if you have them. Maybe even distance traveled by second for each car each second up to 10 seconds. (OK, I'm a numbers geek...) But the g-force profiles are fascinating in themselves.
Paul Ott You can get more details (and stare at graphs) at the article on the consumer reports website. It's on the front page for now. 0-30 for the Tesla and Dodge were given as 1.3 and 2.3 seconds respectively. I'm always wanting more, just like you. I've always really wanted to see a graph of the _jerk_ of the P85D, along with a variety of other cars.
Do you think that the difference in performance between the two cars was at least in part due to one car delivering power to four wheels rather than two?
Dan Troop Not really. They could have used an older P85+ with RWD and result will be similar. The electric motors are able to deliver 100% torque right off the bat, where the hellcat engine/transmission needs time to rev up to its full torque. If Tesla fitted a transmission, even if just 2 speeds, it will blow away Hellcat at top speed as well.
Dan Troop That helps traction, which prevents the car from spinning out its wheels, but if the back wheels had enough traction, then it wouldn't really matter if it was AWD vs RWD.
Dan Troop better traction is part of it, but electric motors provide max torque at 0rpm so the motor doesn't have to spin up the 2-3k rpm before providing good power. Electric motors are like the opposite of turbo lag.
The teslas peak g force dropped SUPER fast though. It is quick but it's a one trick pony, quick off the line but any other form of race and it would lose.
Paul McGuire whats the point of having 707hp Hellcat which you need to wait before you can mash the gas pedal ? Hellcat is like hiring a pilot , which is afraid of heights , USELESS
Paul McGuire Tesla actually has higher mile range than the Hellcat , if you go hard on the gas pedal , the hellcat will waste 1.5 gallons per minute , ( this is around 30 Miles range ) huuuuuuuuue !!!! (13 Minutes drive) jalopnik.com/holy-crap-the-dodge-srt-hellcat-can-kill-1-5-gallons-of-1606097708 . You would get a good 200 Miles range out of a (100% free charge) on the Tesla if pushed hard
What kind of comparison is this? Why not best time from stand still to 1/4 mile? G-forces? Since when are cars built to produce G-forces? Seems to me they are hiding the fact that the Hellcat was faster.
U did not explain how the acceleration dramatically drops off in the tesla but the hellcat keeps pulling harder when you get pass 40mph. Basically the tesla is only faster to 40. Any where from 40 to 200 mph the tesla will loose badly. I think this is not telling the full story. I feel bad for people buying this car think they can beat a hellcat. Quarter mile trap speed tells the story. But I will say 0 to 30 it's the fastest car I have ever driven it's almost worth it just for that. But I would take a 4 door Charger Hellcat over it any day and save a lot of money.
How come we only see drag races and no track tests? Maybe because Tesla can do this only 10-30s and after that it overheats? On a short track test it's slower than RS7 even though it has 600+hp and 900+Nm.
Any plans on doing this for the ludicrous P90D? I'd love to see how long it can sustain the 1 to 1.1 g's compared to the "old and slow" insane mode... From what I hear the top end is not that much higher but because of the new fuse, it is more precisely controlled and able to sustain it for a longer amount of time. I think many owners and those considering one would really like to see how they compare.. Thanks for the awesome video btw.
This proves a point, yes. High Gs at high speed is fast, high Gs at low speed is quick, it all gearing/power delivery related.. I would like to see them test an AWD car like an AUDI RS4 or RS7 and show the results.
Great video, but would be better if they could also place a sensor on the throttle pedal so we can see the huge difference in throttle latency as well. The near-zero latency of the Tesla is something that makes launching and day-to-day driving feel incredibly responsive.
It would have been interesting to have seen the comparisons of distance traveled by time to get a feel for the point at which they would have been "side by side" and the speed each was doing at that point
Haven't read all the 472 previous comments, so someone else may have already pointed this out. When you say "...one to measure acceleration and the other to measure the G forces..." you are saying you same thing twice. The actual name of a G-meter is an accelerometer. It measures acceleration in a given plane or axis.
a couple of things to consider. when you look at range...the Hellcat still has better range. It won't take hours to fill the tank full of fuel. It is a proven technology, it won't loose range in cold weather, it sounds like a muscle car, it looks cool, and it won't have to have a very expensive batter pack replaced eventually.
Christian_Patriot How far across the country can you go with no gas money in a Hellcat? Because in a Tesla you can go from LA to NY and back for nothing.
Christian_Patriot The tesla will require half as much maintenance as the hellcat. I'm sure the cost to replace the engine/transmission on the hellcat won't be cheap. Not to mention the gas cost. Seriously, how often do you go on trips longer than 270 miles?
Actually, the range is similar in both. FYI, Tesla Superchargers supply an 80% charge in as little as 20 minutes, and are FREE to use. Perhaps you should learn some facts before commenting.
Christian_Patriot Your sentiments are neither Christian nor Patriotic. I'm sure you know that less than 0.5% of U.S. electricity comes from oil. I'm sure you also know that it takes less than an hour to fill a Tesla's battery, and less than 30 minutes to get 2-hours of highway range. I think you're afraid that cars that use American fuel (Natural Gas, Coal, Nuclear, Hydro, Solar, Wind, etc) will end the funding of your extremist friends. I'm pretty sure "Christian_Patriot" is a handle meant to disguise your intentions. You should probably be called "Islamic_Extremist", because you apparently love sending your fuel money to OPEC extremists. And by lying about Tesla taking 'hours to fill the tank' you want us all to do the same. Also, the Tesla has an 8-year Unlimited Mile warranty on battery and powertrain. The Hellcat? 5 years/100.000. Tesla? Made in USA. Challenger? Made in Canada. Again, the Tesla is better, and American-made and American fueled.
AWD versus RWD. The Tesla's G curve falls like a rock, while the Hellcat holds it's Gs much longer. I bet with perfect traction, the hellcat would pull higher Gs. But in stock form, the Tesla wins. For the price of the P85D, I can buy both Hellcats and run 10.80s with DRs. I'll take the Hellcat any day over the Tesla. Also, is the Tesla's top speed 200? What does the exhaust sound like in the Tesla? Hellcat is a monster, a total visceral experience, can't beat it with batteries.
dobbins2550 the hellcat is a great driving car....but i don't think that means people can't also appreciate how impressive the Tesla is. A true gear head would be amped up about both
dobbins2550 Tesla is limited to 130 MPH, it has an RPM limit. Plus it only has one gear, it can only spin so fast. Hellcat, has EIGHT. 200 MPH, 205+ in the charger hellcat. Tesla would win at first, then the hellcat would destroy it.
Silas Belshnickel Agreed, but you will have Tesla nut huggers and Dodge fanboys argue all day long. I love new tech, but G Force only matters around turns. The P85D is a one trick pony. While it is incredibly fast to 60 (which is awesome when it throws you in the seat) you can actually buy a Hellcat Charger, upgrade the tires and be faster to 60 in a RWD car that is half the cost.
Just saw this. Both vehicles are impressive. The problem is this: you touted the "insane" mode of the Tesla and didn't even show what key you used for the Hellcat. The Hellcat with the red key unleashes the full 707 hp and gets you into the programming in the electronics for customizing your experience...this video shows you may be partial to the Tesla, instead of being objective of the whole test. And for the record the Hellcat is probably cheaper than the P85D...even with the bogus upcharges the dealers add to it because it is a must have vehicle! I will not deny the P85D is impressive, but, do a cost analysis of both and a range test (tank vs battery) THAT would be awould be a great test. The test should be with the "insane" button and the Red Key for levity. Take it on a track and see how long they last.
I think that seems fair. I think the Tesla is a great car in so many areas, but despite that, it seems like all the Tesla vids show me how perfect it is...there's no answers to anything else really. oh and I think the Tesla is like over $150k...right?
The video needed to be longer. I'm all for the Tesla but you were a little mean to the Hellcat in not pointing out how the acceleration while slower to begin with just keeps going while the P85D's maybe amazing for the first few seconds but falls away after that.
***** Because the first few seconds is all that matters in the real world. In 3 seconds you are illegally speeding. Accelerating to the speed limit is legal and that is where you have your everyday driving fun.
Pretty fail video TBH. You failed to bring up that a lot of the difference has to do with 4WD vs. 2WD. A more apt comparison to understand the difference between electric car acceleration and ICE acceleration would be a GTR or something with 4WD and good launch control that can actually hook up. While the instantaneous torque of an electric car is great off the line the hell cat with similar power figures pulled significantly harder after the initial traction limited period ran out. Since a ICE car can stay in it's peak power/ torque band due to gearing (Tesla has only 1 gear) an ICE with the same power/torque will generally be faster in the quarter mile when driving all 4 wheels.
Did you pre heat the battery and put it in launch mode first? Just wondered if that makes a big difference for your testing? I have used launch mode in my P85D a few times and just leaps out of the hole. Pretty hard on expensive tires though. LOL.
Constantine Joseph But it costs nothing to charge the Tesla at their super-charger stations :D They said they will always be free, and they are adding more and more all across the world.
All this technology is great and battery power and electric motors have come a long way but one thing will never change about battery power. It takes 1 to 2 minutes to refill a fuel tank but a few hours to charge a battery. The power is the same in the Hellcat from a full tank all the way to empty. Electric loses power with each pull. Put an electric car on a Nascar track and see how long it keeps up with a gasoline powerplant. I bet it gets lapped big time
You mean 30 min fill up? It’s not bad pissing every 4 hours I’m with u though Tesla P85D for daily and fun free trips or truck if u need to pull/haul/tow. Tesla is the best of all worlds. Daily commuter don’t pay for fuel oil changes etc and its your sports car all in one. Plug it in at night like ur phone 300 miles of range and fills 80% of battery in 30-40 mins at super chargers
WEIMY BIMMER Electric motors have amazing acceleration, but battery technology can not sustain high amperage draw for prolong duration. This is why Porsche utilize hybrid technology for their race cars: to have amazing acceleration with electric, and then switch to engine at cruising speeds.
WEIMY BIMMER Tesla say they have no intention of making a race car however electric cars came in 1st and 2nd at Pikes Peak 2015 (and the 1st place car lost power to its rear wheels before the halfway point, finishing as front wheel drive only). The outright best time still belongs to gasoline from 2013 though.
Consumer Reports Is there really a tangible difference between "insane" and sport acceleration modes, or is that just a gimmick? If so, what does "sport" do? limit power?
Will you get the Ludicrous Mode Upgrade? Elon promised that not only would the 0-60 be 3/10ths quicker but that max acceleration would continue past 30 mph and even beyond 60 mph. In addition, the drop off in power would be much slower and max speed of 155 mph would be reached ~20% quicker.
They didn't mention if the Hellcat was in Default, Sport or Track mode. They also didn't mention if they used launch control in the Hellcat which also improves the launch. Maybe the Hellcat still wouldn't hit max 1g but I have a feeling it would've been a noticeable improvement over the Default Drive mode if thats what they tested.
love tesla and whole idea but you have a test track and still going science on straights tesla was tested on track by some magazine with big times database and it was slower than merc s600 or ml63 or scirocco 1,4tsi oraz bmw 335. not on straights but where you start doing some cornering.
Keep in mind everyone that the Tesla is all wheel drive verses the Hellcat that isn't it''s rear wheel drive. Big difference in acceleration and traction. It's said that what ever all wheel drive horse power/ torque can be matched by rear wheel drive however you need double the horse power of the all wheel drive to catch/ stay with it and if your lucky surpass them. With the rear wheel drive if you have good traction with the rear wheel drive you can keep up with and them and if it's got a great traction for the whole shot semi outperform the all wheel drive..
+Steve The Man 258awhp evo 10 vs 196whp s2000 is on my channel. our cars are equally quick in the roll races we did. The s2000 is about 600lbs lighter.
CR, Tesla's been widely reported at 3.1, 3.2 seconds... can you do some more runs to make sure the one you did for this video was representative of all the car can do?
This kind of review is FAR better than Dragtimes bullshit and bias review. The Hellcat off the line is so shitty probably due to the tire width. However, it'll hook up at higher speed due to more power transformed to speed.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 Lol, 0-60 in 3.4 seconds in a RWD 4,500+ lb car is not even close to shitty. You are correct that it is hindered by the tire width. 275's on a 700hp vehicle is a poor choice. Change the tires and now your RWD vehicle is faster to 60 than an AWD "instant torque" vehicle, for half the price.
He went full throttle in the tesla at the start and in the hellcat he didn't give full throttle for awhile, even tho the hellcat is rwd and probably would of spun tired they still should of given a fair test
Amazing how, when they compare the graphs at 03:48 you see how smooth the Tesla runs in comparison to the Hellcat's engine. Drives away like a fucking surgical knife. This is why electric cars should be made and sold more instead of resisting to change of the motor industry. If I could, I'd change my beloved R32 today!
The Tesla will overheat with repeated runs. The Tesla is a fast car, but cannot get rid of the heat from the inverter/engine with heavy repeated use. Just take the Tesla onto any track and watch it go into limp mode after a few laps. from t he heat. Fast car, but not with repeated runs at full throttle. I have driven a Hellcat, so I can only speculate how it will do with repeated runs or on the track.
The Tesla is cool and the instant blast off is awesome. However, it doesn't have the looks, the history, the sound, or the soul of that Challenger. Not to mention that the Challenger will eventually have greater acceleration and top speed, just not right off the line.
This thing is as be as a 6er Gran Coupe or a Panamera, and pulls at a G. I mean 1G... 1 fucking G... That's the force that is maintaining you to the damn ground. 1G O_O 9.8 m.s.s that's absolutely insane !
Tesla's quick, but it's advantage is only for the first 1/8th of mile. After that point, it's lack of additional gearing (doesn't it have 1 gear) prevents it from continuing it's acceleration, hence the immediate drop in g-forces and steady decline.....not to mention that if you do more than a couple quarter mile runs, you're outta juice and have to charge for a couple hours before you can drive home. I want to admire it, but until a re-charge only takes 5 minutes, can't see it being anything more than a novelty for the rich.
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2:10 helcat with 1 L as the file name.... Come on...
Is the better aspects of the Tesla worth another $60.000 dollars? These kinds test are some what bogus. Outside of just plain heads up run what you brung drag racing all the cars are matched pretty well. An example would be cars with electronics don't run in the same class as cars without. Weight, engine size, fuel delivery systems, naturally aspirated vs forced induction and tire size. So I say comparing a $120K car to a $65K car is a little skewed would you think? Plus the only somewhat common thing between the two is there are both cars and that's about it.
Im sorry but im going to die in my gas hourse power motor when i get old its just something about yhe feeling of a motor shaking and the sound that gets my blood pumping then trying to drive a batterie car and tye smell of the tail pipe
actually the person is not being pushed back into the seat the seat is actually pushing into the person. the person was sitting, its the car that moved. just saying lol
The tesla only has higher g rating up to about 2.5 thousands revs after that the hellcats is consistently higher whereas the teslas is dropping quick after that! Hellcat power for the win ;)
people don't understand that forget about all the performance the Tesla can be beaten over and over again with almost no worry of damage to the hell cat with thousands of engine parts and transmission parts being strained its going to break
Christian_Patriot Christian was the kid that always used clothespins and playing cards on his bicycle because the flapping sound made him think is bike was faster.
No what they failed to mention is electric motors have full torque from zero rpms. The Tesla is faster on paper and in real life. Sorry die-hard dodge fans. I own one too.
All of this would be incredible enough on its own but when you add in the amazing customer service experience Tesla provides its consumers - it's a no brainer. Imagine only stopping at a gas station because you were thirsty instead of your car?
I love Dodge I love hell cat but as much as I love them and what they represents as American I don't want to keep buying gas from terrorist. Tesla represents the new america
where's the red key?? you can't unlock the 707 hp without it!!!! I could tell cause there wasn't a red key because there wasn't a supercharger whistle!
This was awesome! Thanks for the instrumented testing!
I'm not sure that the data was collected correctly. I don't know. Did they power brake the Dodge? If they did the revs would have been higher and the torque higher.
I don't get the joy of driving an electric motor. I've only ever driven electric Karts so what do I know. They were quick but "soulless".
As I've said before, I hope when electric cars are the norm, self driving will be too. That way I won't have to drive.
Engineering Explained motor trend did the exact same tests with same cars
Neil Porter Electric motor in instantly full torque. There is no gas engine that can do that. It is insane in a car or on a motorcycle.
full torque at 1 rpm.that is physics. can't beat that.
J Chu I bet Tesla will try to beat that in some way
progress will be made over time. i hope for affordable battery cars by 2030
J Chu 0 rpm, the electromagnetic field puts force on the rotor at standstill.
J Chu
Plus AWD the Testla can grip a lot more coming off the line.
+vuel987 I'm betting 2019
Could you take the laptops off of the car's paint?! PLEASE
Great video! I would love to see a final chart with 0-30, 0-60, and quarter mile times if you have them. Maybe even distance traveled by second for each car each second up to 10 seconds. (OK, I'm a numbers geek...) But the g-force profiles are fascinating in themselves.
Paul Ott You can get more details (and stare at graphs) at the article on the consumer reports website. It's on the front page for now. 0-30 for the Tesla and Dodge were given as 1.3 and 2.3 seconds respectively.
I'm always wanting more, just like you. I've always really wanted to see a graph of the _jerk_ of the P85D, along with a variety of other cars.
MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS PLEASE AND LONGER TOO
Do you think that the difference in performance between the two cars was at least in part due to one car delivering power to four wheels rather than two?
Yes, and they said so in the review.
Dan Troop Not really. They could have used an older P85+ with RWD and result will be similar. The electric motors are able to deliver 100% torque right off the bat, where the hellcat engine/transmission needs time to rev up to its full torque. If Tesla fitted a transmission, even if just 2 speeds, it will blow away Hellcat at top speed as well.
Dan Troop That helps traction, which prevents the car from spinning out its wheels, but if the back wheels had enough traction, then it wouldn't really matter if it was AWD vs RWD.
Dan Troop better traction is part of it, but electric motors provide max torque at 0rpm so the motor doesn't have to spin up the 2-3k rpm before providing good power. Electric motors are like the opposite of turbo lag.
Also because in the Model S, all the power and torque is available at launch, whereas in gas engines, you have to wait for it to build power.
The teslas peak g force dropped SUPER fast though. It is quick but it's a one trick pony, quick off the line but any other form of race and it would lose.
Paul McGuire whats the point of having 707hp Hellcat which you need to wait before you can mash the gas pedal ?
Hellcat is like hiring a pilot , which is afraid of heights , USELESS
niceguy60 I'm not really a fan of either of these cars.
Paul McGuire Its funny that all the Tesla PR videos always reference g force. Like its the new standard of rating performance lol.
DTRU122283 yeah they try to brag about speed but I don't think one has made it round a track yet without running out of batteries!
Paul McGuire Tesla actually has higher mile range than the Hellcat , if you go hard on the gas pedal , the hellcat will waste 1.5 gallons per minute , ( this is around 30 Miles range ) huuuuuuuuue !!!! (13 Minutes drive)
jalopnik.com/holy-crap-the-dodge-srt-hellcat-can-kill-1-5-gallons-of-1606097708
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You would get a good 200 Miles range out of a (100% free charge) on the Tesla if pushed hard
What kind of comparison is this? Why not best time from stand still to 1/4 mile? G-forces? Since when are cars built to produce G-forces? Seems to me they are hiding the fact that the Hellcat was faster.
Pook Atim, 0-60 Hellcat gets it's ass whooped by the Tesla...happy now?
U did not explain how the acceleration dramatically drops off in the tesla but the hellcat keeps pulling harder when you get pass 40mph. Basically the tesla is only faster to 40. Any where from 40 to 200 mph the tesla will loose badly. I think this is not telling the full story. I feel bad for people buying this car think they can beat a hellcat. Quarter mile trap speed tells the story. But I will say 0 to 30 it's the fastest car I have ever driven it's almost worth it just for that. But I would take a 4 door Charger Hellcat over it any day and save a lot of money.
+Rambito Alternatively, if you put the Hellcat against the Zombie222, the Zombie would finish the quarter before the Hellcat was halfway done.
Nahhh, hellcat still owns the road.
When it comes to roll race, the Hellcat owns it.
How come we only see drag races and no track tests? Maybe because Tesla can do this only 10-30s and after that it overheats?
On a short track test it's slower than RS7 even though it has 600+hp and 900+Nm.
Because that is the only performance metric its good at. All else it performs poorly
Love Tesla
Any plans on doing this for the ludicrous P90D? I'd love to see how long it can sustain the 1 to 1.1 g's compared to the "old and slow" insane mode... From what I hear the top end is not that much higher but because of the new fuse, it is more precisely controlled and able to sustain it for a longer amount of time. I think many owners and those considering one would really like to see how they compare.. Thanks for the awesome video btw.
One has a hemi that goes vroom vroom 🔊 and another goes 🔈
Consumer reports and credibility do not go hand in hand.
I'd like to see the difference with the Hellcat on drag slicks...
Who cares if Tesla this Tesla that, the Hellcat is a much sexier car...
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do same test on hellcat with a proper tire
This proves a point, yes. High Gs at high speed is fast, high Gs at low speed is quick, it all gearing/power delivery related.. I would like to see them test an AWD car like an AUDI RS4 or RS7 and show the results.
Please, edit your videos volume properly CR.
Your background music on some parts of the video is WAY TOO LOUD compared to the peoples voice.
Great video, but would be better if they could also place a sensor on the throttle pedal so we can see the huge difference in throttle latency as well. The near-zero latency of the Tesla is something that makes launching and day-to-day driving feel incredibly responsive.
It would have been interesting to have seen the comparisons of distance traveled by time to get a feel for the point at which they would have been "side by side" and the speed each was doing at that point
+Roy Richardson
Why didn't I think of that?
Haven't read all the 472 previous comments, so someone else may have already pointed this out. When you say "...one to measure acceleration and the other to measure the G forces..." you are saying you same thing twice. The actual name of a G-meter is an accelerometer. It measures acceleration in a given plane or axis.
a couple of things to consider.
when you look at range...the Hellcat still has better range. It won't take hours to fill the tank full of fuel. It is a proven technology, it won't loose range in cold weather, it sounds like a muscle car, it looks cool, and it won't have to have a very expensive batter pack replaced eventually.
Christian_Patriot How far across the country can you go with no gas money in a Hellcat? Because in a Tesla you can go from LA to NY and back for nothing.
Christian_Patriot And in 15 years, you get to rebuild the engine and transmission again!! Yea!!
Christian_Patriot The tesla will require half as much maintenance as the hellcat. I'm sure the cost to replace the engine/transmission on the hellcat won't be cheap. Not to mention the gas cost. Seriously, how often do you go on trips longer than 270 miles?
Actually, the range is similar in both. FYI, Tesla Superchargers supply an 80% charge in as little as 20 minutes, and are FREE to use. Perhaps you should learn some facts before commenting.
Christian_Patriot Your sentiments are neither Christian nor Patriotic. I'm sure you know that less than 0.5% of U.S. electricity comes from oil. I'm sure you also know that it takes less than an hour to fill a Tesla's battery, and less than 30 minutes to get 2-hours of highway range. I think you're afraid that cars that use American fuel (Natural Gas, Coal, Nuclear, Hydro, Solar, Wind, etc) will end the funding of your extremist friends.
I'm pretty sure "Christian_Patriot" is a handle meant to disguise your intentions. You should probably be called "Islamic_Extremist", because you apparently love sending your fuel money to OPEC extremists. And by lying about Tesla taking 'hours to fill the tank' you want us all to do the same. Also, the Tesla has an 8-year Unlimited Mile warranty on battery and powertrain. The Hellcat? 5 years/100.000. Tesla? Made in USA. Challenger? Made in Canada. Again, the Tesla is better, and American-made and American fueled.
You guys are so lucky! Having fun at work? Priceless.
AWD versus RWD. The Tesla's G curve falls like a rock, while the Hellcat holds it's Gs much longer. I bet with perfect traction, the hellcat would pull higher Gs. But in stock form, the Tesla wins. For the price of the P85D, I can buy both Hellcats and run 10.80s with DRs. I'll take the Hellcat any day over the Tesla. Also, is the Tesla's top speed 200? What does the exhaust sound like in the Tesla? Hellcat is a monster, a total visceral experience, can't beat it with batteries.
dobbins2550 Non-sense. Test drive one.
dobbins2550 the hellcat is a great driving car....but i don't think that means people can't also appreciate how impressive the Tesla is. A true gear head would be amped up about both
dobbins2550 Tesla is limited to 130 MPH, it has an RPM limit. Plus it only has one gear, it can only spin so fast. Hellcat, has EIGHT. 200 MPH, 205+ in the charger hellcat. Tesla would win at first, then the hellcat would destroy it.
Silas Belshnickel Agreed, but you will have Tesla nut huggers and Dodge fanboys argue all day long.
I love new tech, but G Force only matters around turns. The P85D is a one trick pony. While it is incredibly fast to 60 (which is awesome when it throws you in the seat) you can actually buy a Hellcat Charger, upgrade the tires and be faster to 60 in a RWD car that is half the cost.
DTRU122283 And what if you upgrade the Tesla tires too? What would happen then ? Be fair...
I d love to see the P100D (tesla) in a test
Both FANTASTIC cars! Let's give a rounds of applause for American engineering.
Just saw this. Both vehicles are impressive. The problem is this: you touted the "insane" mode of the Tesla and didn't even show what key you used for the Hellcat. The Hellcat with the red key unleashes the full 707 hp and gets you into the programming in the electronics for customizing your experience...this video shows you may be partial to the Tesla, instead of being objective of the whole test. And for the record the Hellcat is probably cheaper than the P85D...even with the bogus upcharges the dealers add to it because it is a must have vehicle! I will not deny the P85D is impressive, but, do a cost analysis of both and a range test (tank vs battery) THAT would be awould be a great test. The test should be with the "insane" button and the Red Key for levity. Take it on a track and see how long they last.
I think that seems fair. I think the Tesla is a great car in so many areas, but despite that, it seems like all the Tesla vids show me how perfect it is...there's no answers to anything else really. oh and I think the Tesla is like over $150k...right?
Tesla's around 80k in the video. The 130k (Max) p100d can smoke any car.
id love to see the same tests and data with both cars on drag slicks or equally sticky tires because tires are a huge deal
Also, a chart with the G forces on Model S vs Model X vs Model 3 vs Model Y would be great
isn't using the OBD more accurate for 0-60? aren't there possible delays with satellite?
G-Force and acceleration is completly the same thing just in different "units" as one g is 9,81 m/s² so it's pretty dump to measure both.
The video needed to be longer. I'm all for the Tesla but you were a little mean to the Hellcat in not pointing out how the acceleration while slower to begin with just keeps going while the P85D's maybe amazing for the first few seconds but falls away after that.
***** The Consumer Report's web page has a much more detailed write up.
***** Because the first few seconds is all that matters in the real world. In 3 seconds you are illegally speeding. Accelerating to the speed limit is legal and that is where you have your everyday driving fun.
Pretty fail video TBH. You failed to bring up that a lot of the difference has to do with 4WD vs. 2WD. A more apt comparison to understand the difference between electric car acceleration and ICE acceleration would be a GTR or something with 4WD and good launch control that can actually hook up. While the instantaneous torque of an electric car is great off the line the hell cat with similar power figures pulled significantly harder after the initial traction limited period ran out. Since a ICE car can stay in it's peak power/ torque band due to gearing (Tesla has only 1 gear) an ICE with the same power/torque will generally be faster in the quarter mile when driving all 4 wheels.
Did you pre heat the battery and put it in launch mode first? Just wondered if that makes a big difference for your testing? I have used launch mode in my P85D a few times and just leaps out of the hole. Pretty hard on expensive tires though. LOL.
Why do you like so much to burn rubber???? Which purpose does it serve other then wearing off the tires?
Any plan to do this for a P100D Plaid vs say a Porsche Taycan?
Nikola Tesla if he were alive would give them a challenge to power a car for free. That was always his intentions
Constantine Joseph But it costs nothing to charge the Tesla at their super-charger stations :D They said they will always be free, and they are adding more and more all across the world.
Loving the Windows xp on your laptop xD
All this technology is great and battery power and electric motors have come a long way but one thing will never change about battery power. It takes 1 to 2 minutes to refill a fuel tank but a few hours to charge a battery. The power is the same in the Hellcat from a full tank all the way to empty. Electric loses power with each pull. Put an electric car on a Nascar track and see how long it keeps up with a gasoline powerplant. I bet it gets lapped big time
What’s it like being a dinosaur?
You mean 30 min fill up? It’s not bad pissing every 4 hours I’m with u though Tesla P85D for daily and fun free trips or truck if u need to pull/haul/tow. Tesla is the best of all worlds. Daily commuter don’t pay for fuel oil changes etc and its your sports car all in one. Plug it in at night like ur phone 300 miles of range and fills 80% of battery in 30-40 mins at super chargers
Horsepower is what sells cars, torque is what wins races, and all that P85D INSTANT torque is what makes it a truly better car!
rotflmfao
Wow Really not once I hear the Hellcat Supercharger going & I really don't think the guy was using The Red Key
P85D is bat shit crazy, economical cruising to ballistic acceleration!
Imagen if tesla does a race car!!!
WEIMY BIMMER Electric motors have amazing acceleration, but battery technology can not sustain high amperage draw for prolong duration. This is why Porsche utilize hybrid technology for their race cars: to have amazing acceleration with electric, and then switch to engine at cruising speeds.
There is formula E racing
WEIMY BIMMER Tesla say they have no intention of making a race car however electric cars came in 1st and 2nd at Pikes Peak 2015 (and the 1st place car lost power to its rear wheels before the halfway point, finishing as front wheel drive only). The outright best time still belongs to gasoline from 2013 though.
nickolastiguan but don't they have to pit and change out the battery? if so, any time gained over a gasoline car would be lost in a pit stop?
fabulousprofound yeah, I believe they do. I think they are just testing the e racing water, and somewhere ex f1 drivers can go to retire lol jk.
How does a Model S corner versus a Corvette?
Consumer Reports
Is there really a tangible difference between "insane" and sport acceleration modes, or is that just a gimmick? If so, what does "sport" do? limit power?
2:10 "helcat sport"
That was totally lame. I wish I could get any of my five minutes back.
Will you get the Ludicrous Mode Upgrade?
Elon promised that not only would the 0-60 be 3/10ths quicker but that max acceleration would continue past 30 mph and even beyond 60 mph. In addition, the drop off in power would be much slower and max speed of 155 mph would be reached ~20% quicker.
They didn't mention if the Hellcat was in Default, Sport or Track mode. They also didn't mention if they used launch control in the Hellcat which also improves the launch. Maybe the Hellcat still wouldn't hit max 1g but I have a feeling it would've been a noticeable improvement over the Default Drive mode if thats what they tested.
+Frank Merlin
Yeah... That must be it.
Put drag radials on the hellcat and then see what happens
love tesla and whole idea but
you have a test track and still going science on straights
tesla was tested on track by some magazine with big times database and it was slower than merc s600 or ml63 or scirocco 1,4tsi oraz bmw 335. not on straights but where you start doing some cornering.
Keep in mind everyone that the Tesla is all wheel drive verses the Hellcat that isn't it''s rear wheel drive. Big difference in acceleration and traction. It's said that what ever all wheel drive horse power/ torque can be matched by rear wheel drive however you need double the horse power of the all wheel drive to catch/ stay with it and if your lucky surpass them. With the rear wheel drive if you have good traction with the rear wheel drive you can keep up with and them and if it's got a great traction for the whole shot semi outperform the all wheel drive..
+Steve The Man 258awhp evo 10 vs 196whp s2000 is on my channel. our cars are equally quick in the roll races we did. The s2000 is about 600lbs lighter.
CR, Tesla's been widely reported at 3.1, 3.2 seconds... can you do some more runs to make sure the one you did for this video was representative of all the car can do?
Does anyone know if the Hellcat in the videos paint is the factory red pearl?
WINDOWS XP?!?!?!? WHAT THE HELL CONSUMER REPORTS!
Didn't motor trend compared these two already ??
2:11 2:14
Guys, some idiot got a hold of the lense flare button again! Tell your youtube editor to leave out the weirdness next time, it's distracting!
LOSE THE LAME MUSIC. WE LIKE CARS. WE WATCH CAR VIDEOS FOR THE CARS. WE DON'T WANT MUSIC.
It's for attention, so my comment doesn't get lost in a sea of "Great vid', I love you channel' comments.
why not the charger?
No hes changing the G-ene meter
if "Insane mode" was used, I sure hope launch control was used on the SRT.
This kind of review is FAR better than Dragtimes bullshit and bias review. The Hellcat off the line is so shitty probably due to the tire width. However, it'll hook up at higher speed due to more power transformed to speed.
LAUNCH CONTROL 東瀛戰神 Lol, 0-60 in 3.4 seconds in a RWD 4,500+ lb car is not even close to shitty. You are correct that it is hindered by the tire width. 275's on a 700hp vehicle is a poor choice.
Change the tires and now your RWD vehicle is faster to 60 than an AWD "instant torque" vehicle, for half the price.
DTRU122283 True. After 60 is where Hellcat comes alive.
the problem is the Tesla starts losing power after a couple of seconds where the hell cat challenger keeps building and building power.
Greatest car company of all time
He went full throttle in the tesla at the start and in the hellcat he didn't give full throttle for awhile, even tho the hellcat is rwd and probably would of spun tired they still should of given a fair test
you have a very good camera
Only looking at 0-60, 0 to 30, and g force was quite lame.
I'll take both of em please!! Both bad asses in their own right!
Amazing how, when they compare the graphs at 03:48 you see how smooth the Tesla runs in comparison to the Hellcat's engine. Drives away like a fucking surgical knife. This is why electric cars should be made and sold more instead of resisting to change of the motor industry. If I could, I'd change my beloved R32 today!
Another "metric" that is completely useless... what does it matter?
soundtrack?
We know who is going to Rock before watching the video.
The Tesla will overheat with repeated runs. The Tesla is a fast car, but cannot get rid of the heat from the inverter/engine with heavy repeated use. Just take the Tesla onto any track and watch it go into limp mode after a few laps. from t he heat. Fast car, but not with repeated runs at full throttle. I have driven a Hellcat, so I can only speculate how it will do with repeated runs or on the track.
Can't argue with data and hard science. The laws of physics stand firm.
You can argue against useless metrics... The Hellcat is faster in the quarter mile, it doesnt matter how many G's it pulls...
The Tesla is cool and the instant blast off is awesome. However, it doesn't have the looks, the history, the sound, or the soul of that Challenger. Not to mention that the Challenger will eventually have greater acceleration and top speed, just not right off the line.
People forget that part of that is AWD vs RWD
Mike M No driveshaft vs driveshaft.
+Mike M
Shaved vs. UN-Shaved!!!
I see this a lot where fanboys are explaining the benefits of AWD like its Telsa magic when its been around forever.
This thing is as be as a 6er Gran Coupe or a Panamera, and pulls at a G. I mean 1G... 1 fucking G... That's the force that is maintaining you to the damn ground. 1G O_O
9.8 m.s.s that's absolutely insane !
Tesla's quick, but it's advantage is only for the first 1/8th of mile. After that point, it's lack of additional gearing (doesn't it have 1 gear) prevents it from continuing it's acceleration, hence the immediate drop in g-forces and steady decline.....not to mention that if you do more than a couple quarter mile runs, you're outta juice and have to charge for a couple hours before you can drive home. I want to admire it, but until a re-charge only takes 5 minutes, can't see it being anything more than a novelty for the rich.
2:10 helcat with 1 L as the file name.... Come on...
Is the better aspects of the Tesla worth another $60.000 dollars? These kinds test are some what bogus. Outside of just plain heads up run what you brung drag racing all the cars are matched pretty well. An example would be cars with electronics don't run in the same class as cars without. Weight, engine size, fuel delivery systems, naturally aspirated vs forced induction and tire size. So I say comparing a $120K car to a $65K car is a little skewed would you think? Plus the only somewhat common thing between the two is there are both cars and that's about it.
I think the Porsche 911 Turbo S could rival that initial launch for g-forces.
Joshua Adams Nope. But dam close.
whait a minute. comparing g force is cool and all, but i think every one wants to know who is faster around the test course!
Im sorry but im going to die in my gas hourse power motor when i get old its just something about yhe feeling of a motor shaking and the sound that gets my blood pumping then trying to drive a batterie car and tye smell of the tail pipe
+karlitos saiyan
Okay Popeye...
actually the person is not being pushed back into the seat the seat is actually pushing into the person. the person was sitting, its the car that moved. just saying lol
Even though it's pretty new, the hellcat to me looks like a 90's vehicle.
+Fred Stapelbed I would say 1970's with the huge blind spot brought with it into 2015
The tesla only has higher g rating up to about 2.5 thousands revs after that the hellcats is consistently higher whereas the teslas is dropping quick after that! Hellcat power for the win ;)
Where's Tom to talk negatively about everything?
people don't understand that forget about all the performance the Tesla can be beaten over and over again with almost no worry of damage to the hell cat with thousands of engine parts and transmission parts being strained its going to break
Notice for the Tesla they had to add a soundtrack....that is because the car make little to no sound....yawn! zzzzz....zzzz
Christian_Patriot You are so right the Tesla does not sound obnoxious :)
Christian_Patriot Not everyone is desperate for attention. I'd much rather have a quiet car than a loud obnoxious one.
ICE noise is literally the sound of wasted energy.
Christian_Patriot Christian was the kid that always used clothespins and playing cards on his bicycle because the flapping sound made him think is bike was faster.
not everyone who loves exhaust notes is desperate for attention, some people just like cars.
This videos outdated. The Tesla now has ludicrous mode :0
They probably had the hell cat in manual and didn't know how to shift right...
Probably this . probably that . probably
Mighty MOPAR!!!
The power of electricity! I run a 4000hp shredder that eats automobiles!!!
"Now we're not going to take these cars to a drag strip. We ... have a 327-acre test facility.."
_drag races the cars one at a time_
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No what they failed to mention is electric motors have full torque from zero rpms. The Tesla is faster on paper and in real life. Sorry die-hard dodge fans. I own one too.
All of this would be incredible enough on its own but when you add in the amazing customer service experience Tesla provides its consumers - it's a no brainer. Imagine only stopping at a gas station because you were thirsty instead of your car?
I love Dodge I love hell cat but as much as I love them and what they represents as American I don't want to keep buying gas from terrorist.
Tesla represents the new america
where's the red key?? you can't unlock the 707 hp without it!!!! I could tell cause there wasn't a red key because there wasn't a supercharger whistle!
That's what I said too
They should have named it "ludacris speed"
They did initially as a joke.
Ludicrous speed I assume you mean, not referring to the rapper.