I can confirm that changing the tyres is almost like changing my bike. I put Michelin Road 6s on mine after just one month, and now I have a bike whose limit is much higher than mine. Frankly, for an everyday bike, it's excellent, the engine is as full as an egg, docile when you need peace and quiet, and furious when you need to relax on nice roads (because, admittedly, it's only 152 hp, but you need room to push the gears to the red zone: 220 km/h at full throttle in third gear). the cycle part is perfect, I added +2 to the automatic preload and it's done. I often switch from mode B to C (it's already winter here) while leaving the suspension on medium, the compromise is ideal. I'm waiting for the warmer weather to get to grips with the finer settings. I added heated grips from another supplier for €160, nothing to complain about. Finally, for my bottom, up to 4 hours in the saddle and I feel great (much better than the V Strom 2023).
How many times have we got to say "put a touring seat on a touring bike" before the manufacturers listen! Really, it's been the biggest grumble I've had with modern bikes. Cheers Mossy, honest reviews with insight are always the best reviews.
Technology can send signals back and forth to a computer from the wheels a hundred times per second, but we can't build a seat, can't make pegs and bars adjustable, can't fix windscreens to stop battering the head with buffeting racket. Another gripe with the GSX-S1000 bikes? Same identical internal transmission ratios as the 2005 GSX-R1000. Talk about touring.
@@exothermal.sprocket. The windscreen buffeting is the #1 problem with upright bikes including adventure bikes. The rider is so far from the screen it’s challenging to get the airflow perfect and prevent buffeting. Lots of bikes released with terrible screens as a result.
Those S23s are the real deal. I've got a set on my 2019 Tracer 900 and the difference was incredible. Took them on a track day to Okayama circuit and the side grip and the communication from the tires was incredible.
The suspension is amazing. Put it on soft and its a bit like a magic carpet ride. When the cobblestones are over and the next fast bends appear, switch it back in a second to normal. You can even do that with a no look thumb action mid corner in case you forgot it before putting on lean :)
....And at track days, the hardest mode, in conjunction with those high pegs, means sport bike ground clearance. Along with composure and support rarely seen on a bike with 150mm travel. I honestly think that's the bike's sweet spot: People who want one bike, who needs decent, upright touring composure for two, but who refuses to compromise more than absolutely necessary on track days and/or other very sporty pursuits. If the latter is not a main concern, bikes like the Versys and Tracer, and even VStrom, NT, GS etc. all have more legroom, better passenger accommodation, longer range and mostly better wind protection. But while they can also do sport riding and track perfectly well, they're not naturals at it, to the extent this (and also the XR) is. The Suzuki's too-hard hard mode, too high pegs and too close-ratio transmission, seems a bit out of place, until you start treating it as an actual sport bike. Then it starts making sense. At least as much sense as something this big, tall and gangly can make it that setting. Rich guys will get a GS for touring, an RR for track and an XR for sporty road trides. But if you need one bike to do it all, and track/sport is important, this one is good.
First time anyone else has mentioned the height the bike for shorter riders and the traffic scenario,, seems like a great bike and be realistic purchase when second hand one's starting to come around,,,,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland,, and you have seen a few tests in your time 😮😮😮
If I could have two, I'd want a proper sports bike or naked. And either this or the 1050 for touring, depending on priorities. But I say that as someone who hardly ever leave pavement. For dirt-road-to-220kph-Autobahn touring competence, this and an 800 would make sense.
The OEM Dunlop Roadsport 2 tires on my 2024 Ninja 650 had an unforgiving, stiff carcass that made the suspension feel harsh and jittery; no compliance or grip, no matter the pressures. Michelin Power 5 tires truly TRANSFORMED that bike! The OEM Dunlop D614 tires on my 2024 V-Strom 800 have been absolutely excellent. Quite surprising, even! Friendly reminder that it isn't just a brand thing; find a tire that works for how you want to use the bike.
I absolutely agree, except I will go with Bridgestones new T33 in a few months instead of the S23's for at least double the mileage 😂 If theyre anything like the BT023, T31 and T32, were in for a winner🎉
@@exothermal.sprocket The GSX-S' are all bikes which deserve S23 class tires. Touring tires are plenty good enough as well by now, but they still lack the last bit of tenacity, and feel, that can be had from properly warm sport tires. And they can get greasy if ridden aggressively on track, at least if it's warm out. More than any other tall-sports, this one is really a jacked up Gixxer. It makes the most sense for those who highly prioritise the sportiest side of sport-ADV'ing.
@@paulnorman8274 Sports tires don't warm up as quickly as sport-touring tires, don't handle cold and rain as well as sport-touring tires. I'm only thinking of the genere of bike this is. People have run Pilot Road 3 and 4 tires on the track and while they didn't perform like sports tires, they didn't act like hockey pucks either. For the vast majority of riding people do that's not on a race track, the sport-touring tire provides plenty of grip and warms more quickly than sports tires which require longer rides and more force to get temperature into them. The factory choice with some Japanese bikes is puzzling, as they are rather wooden and garbage tires in some cases. But as it's been said before, the factory tires fitted to 10's of thousands of a new model of motorcycle, those are specially built tires from a manufacturer, that you or I could not buy in the aftermarket, even if they are the same model name. They are often cheapened in content to get the best deal with the tire manufacturer in bulk quantity, whether that cheapness means feel, traction, longevity, wet grip or some other aspect.
On mine I added Michelin road 6 gt and the Puig Touring windscreen, happy with the bike! All I am thinking of now is, replacing the mirrors, that are a bit vibey at speed and perhaps the seat.
I got Bridgestone S22 on my 97 FireStorm. I would never change it. Absolut perfection these tires are. No matter if its dry road or wet road it will stick to road like nothing else and the feedback is just amazing. Good job 👌
Great bike no doubt, if Suzuki paid for my holiday I'd love the bike more too! 🤣 If they put all the tech on the normal height GSX-S1000GT that would be a better bike?
12 months in six countries and only 2,500 miles? The maths are wrong on this....?? 2,500 miles is less than I commute in a month, outside of weekend joy riding.
Mossy didn't have it as a long termer, he was just saying in a year he has had the opportunity to ride 2500 miles on 3 different occasions. Mossy has a history with his long termers of piling an unbelievable amount of miles in lol
Sorry Guys, please drive 50000 Km between 3 Years to Morocco, Ireland, Greece and several times over the alpes. I tried Michelin Road 4, Pirelli Scorpion Trail II, Continental TrailAttack II, and Metzeler Roadtec 01SE. If you are a Tourist, if you want to go 600 Km at 3 degrees with light snowfall, if you want have grip on kroatian Gravel roads, if you want a little bit fun on passes in the alpes.....take the only one Metzeler Roadtec 01 SE...very recommended.❤❤❤
But if you want to do trackdays in the SoCal dessert in August,...... S23s don't get as greasy as made-for-snowfall touring tires.... And honestly: If gravel roads, Morocco, snowy road riding etc. are the priority, there are probably better alternatives than a jacked up Gixxer. VStroms among them.
@@CyberGasty yep, we’ve already done a full launch review, if you were watching you would of seen the card at the top of the screen. We like a good bridge!
The MT10 has the fun factor but I'm sure this has much better wind protection, even with a windscreen my MT10 is brutal at sustained high speeds. This bike if anything competes more with the Versy 1000 and BMW S1000XR, Tracer 9, Multistrada, etc with sporty fun capability but also the ability to tour comfortably.
For me I think the tracer 9gts engine and tigers triples are just so much more exciting than this inline 4 and bikes to match. Also putting nearly 7 year old dunlops on is just unforgivable for me.
Those dunlops are definitely the weak link. When I had them on my GT I burned through the rear in 1200 miles and the 190/50 felt like garbage cornering with no real feel, once I went to S22/Roadsmart 4 and 190/55 in the rear the bike was much better.
Why do manufacturers put such bad tyres on their bikes? Rhetorical question as we all know it's to save a couple of $¥€£. More to the point, why do tyre manufacturers create such bad tyres for manufacturers and ruin their reputation? Surely the quick buck isn't worth the long term loss!
Ah yes another Mossy video complaining the bike lacks character like a KTM, oh wait fuck that’s broken, oh wait fuck they went bankrupt… but hear: KTM! Character!
Always love a Mossy video 👍🏻
Great bike and a small cameo! 😁
I can confirm that changing the tyres is almost like changing my bike. I put Michelin Road 6s on mine after just one month, and now I have a bike whose limit is much higher than mine.
Frankly, for an everyday bike, it's excellent, the engine is as full as an egg, docile when you need peace and quiet, and furious when you need to relax on nice roads (because, admittedly, it's only 152 hp, but you need room to push the gears to the red zone: 220 km/h at full throttle in third gear).
the cycle part is perfect, I added +2 to the automatic preload and it's done. I often switch from mode B to C (it's already winter here) while leaving the suspension on medium, the compromise is ideal.
I'm waiting for the warmer weather to get to grips with the finer settings. I added heated grips from another supplier for €160, nothing to complain about.
Finally, for my bottom, up to 4 hours in the saddle and I feel great (much better than the V Strom 2023).
How many times have we got to say "put a touring seat on a touring bike" before the manufacturers listen! Really, it's been the biggest grumble I've had with modern bikes. Cheers Mossy, honest reviews with insight are always the best reviews.
It's an odd thing to overlook.
If they did that, they can’t sell you the actual OEM touring seat at a premium now can they?😅
Technology can send signals back and forth to a computer from the wheels a hundred times per second, but we can't build a seat, can't make pegs and bars adjustable, can't fix windscreens to stop battering the head with buffeting racket.
Another gripe with the GSX-S1000 bikes? Same identical internal transmission ratios as the 2005 GSX-R1000. Talk about touring.
@@exothermal.sprocket. The windscreen buffeting is the #1 problem with upright bikes including adventure bikes. The rider is so far from the screen it’s challenging to get the airflow perfect and prevent buffeting. Lots of bikes released with terrible screens as a result.
A proper touring seat risks alienating people by making it harder to touch both feet down in the showroom....
Short answer, great great bike. Stunning engine, great shifter ! Great alternative to the s1000xr
Those S23s are the real deal. I've got a set on my 2019 Tracer 900 and the difference was incredible. Took them on a track day to Okayama circuit and the side grip and the communication from the tires was incredible.
Thanks for talking about the legroom. No one else addresses this.
Mossy you're pretty good at this sort of thing. You should get hired by a motorcycle publication for journalism.
The suspension is amazing. Put it on soft and its a bit like a magic carpet ride. When the cobblestones are over and the next fast bends appear, switch it back in a second to normal. You can even do that with a no look thumb action mid corner in case you forgot it before putting on lean :)
....And at track days, the hardest mode, in conjunction with those high pegs, means sport bike ground clearance. Along with composure and support rarely seen on a bike with 150mm travel.
I honestly think that's the bike's sweet spot: People who want one bike, who needs decent, upright touring composure for two, but who refuses to compromise more than absolutely necessary on track days and/or other very sporty pursuits. If the latter is not a main concern, bikes like the Versys and Tracer, and even VStrom, NT, GS etc. all have more legroom, better passenger accommodation, longer range and mostly better wind protection. But while they can also do sport riding and track perfectly well, they're not naturals at it, to the extent this (and also the XR) is. The Suzuki's too-hard hard mode, too high pegs and too close-ratio transmission, seems a bit out of place, until you start treating it as an actual sport bike. Then it starts making sense. At least as much sense as something this big, tall and gangly can make it that setting. Rich guys will get a GS for touring, an RR for track and an XR for sporty road trides. But if you need one bike to do it all, and track/sport is important, this one is good.
First time anyone else has mentioned the height the bike for shorter riders and the traffic scenario,, seems like a great bike and be realistic purchase when second hand one's starting to come around,,,,☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland,, and you have seen a few tests in your time 😮😮😮
This and a V-Strom 800 is a nice garage 👌 ❤
If I could have two, I'd want a proper sports bike or naked. And either this or the 1050 for touring, depending on priorities. But I say that as someone who hardly ever leave pavement. For dirt-road-to-220kph-Autobahn touring competence, this and an 800 would make sense.
The OEM Dunlop Roadsport 2 tires on my 2024 Ninja 650 had an unforgiving, stiff carcass that made the suspension feel harsh and jittery; no compliance or grip, no matter the pressures. Michelin Power 5 tires truly TRANSFORMED that bike!
The OEM Dunlop D614 tires on my 2024 V-Strom 800 have been absolutely excellent. Quite surprising, even!
Friendly reminder that it isn't just a brand thing; find a tire that works for how you want to use the bike.
Actually looks like quite good bike❤❤❤
I absolutely agree, except I will go with Bridgestones new T33 in a few months instead of the S23's for at least double the mileage 😂
If theyre anything like the BT023, T31 and T32, were in for a winner🎉
Alternately: Pirelli Angel GT2, Conti Roadattack 4, Dunlop Roadsmart 4, Metzeler Roadtec 02, or Michelin Road 5.
@@exothermal.sprocket The GSX-S' are all bikes which deserve S23 class tires. Touring tires are plenty good enough as well by now, but they still lack the last bit of tenacity, and feel, that can be had from properly warm sport tires. And they can get greasy if ridden aggressively on track, at least if it's warm out. More than any other tall-sports, this one is really a jacked up Gixxer. It makes the most sense for those who highly prioritise the sportiest side of sport-ADV'ing.
@@paulnorman8274 Sports tires don't warm up as quickly as sport-touring tires, don't handle cold and rain as well as sport-touring tires. I'm only thinking of the genere of bike this is. People have run Pilot Road 3 and 4 tires on the track and while they didn't perform like sports tires, they didn't act like hockey pucks either. For the vast majority of riding people do that's not on a race track, the sport-touring tire provides plenty of grip and warms more quickly than sports tires which require longer rides and more force to get temperature into them. The factory choice with some Japanese bikes is puzzling, as they are rather wooden and garbage tires in some cases. But as it's been said before, the factory tires fitted to 10's of thousands of a new model of motorcycle, those are specially built tires from a manufacturer, that you or I could not buy in the aftermarket, even if they are the same model name. They are often cheapened in content to get the best deal with the tire manufacturer in bulk quantity, whether that cheapness means feel, traction, longevity, wet grip or some other aspect.
@@exothermal.sprocketyou can buy the OE tyres in the aftermarket. They’re readily available.
@@yoorukhunt947 They won't be formulated the same way.
On mine I added Michelin road 6 gt and the Puig Touring windscreen, happy with the bike! All I am thinking of now is, replacing the mirrors, that are a bit vibey at speed and perhaps the seat.
I got Bridgestone S22 on my 97 FireStorm. I would never change it. Absolut perfection these tires are. No matter if its dry road or wet road it will stick to road like nothing else and the feedback is just amazing. Good job 👌
I got s22 on my 06 hornet but prefer Metzeler m9rr
Agreed. Superb tyre.
Great bike no doubt, if Suzuki paid for my holiday I'd love the bike more too! 🤣 If they put all the tech on the normal height GSX-S1000GT that would be a better bike?
What about all the bags of cash they gave us, we don’t know what to do with it all!
@ 😂😂
Great vid as always, love the channel 😎😃👍
How do you expect a bike review to happen? Just stand next to it without riding it?😮😅
Hey Mossy, did you stick to the original rear tyre size of 190/50 or did you go to a 190/55 ??
If i did any form off touring, i'd have one in a heart beat.
Love me some Mossy! Glad to get your thoughts on the bike. I'm a Suzuki fan boy, but I'm struggling with this one.
Omg, the way he spoke reminded me of 'Peaky Blinders'
12 months in six countries and only 2,500 miles? The maths are wrong on this....?? 2,500 miles is less than I commute in a month, outside of weekend joy riding.
I don't think they were riding 12 months straight brother. European countries are small
Mossy didn't have it as a long termer, he was just saying in a year he has had the opportunity to ride 2500 miles on 3 different occasions. Mossy has a history with his long termers of piling an unbelievable amount of miles in lol
2500 miles isn’t even a good week for me.
@@craigg4246we are all so proud of you.
Did he forget to ride it after the first two weeks??
Sorry Guys, please drive 50000 Km between 3 Years to Morocco, Ireland, Greece and several times over the alpes. I tried Michelin Road 4, Pirelli Scorpion Trail II, Continental TrailAttack II, and Metzeler Roadtec 01SE.
If you are a Tourist, if you want to go 600 Km at 3 degrees with light snowfall, if you want have grip on kroatian Gravel roads, if you want a little bit fun on passes in the alpes.....take the only one Metzeler Roadtec 01 SE...very recommended.❤❤❤
But if you want to do trackdays in the SoCal dessert in August,...... S23s don't get as greasy as made-for-snowfall touring tires....
And honestly: If gravel roads, Morocco, snowy road riding etc. are the priority, there are probably better alternatives than a jacked up Gixxer. VStroms among them.
So you only tried a few of the available tyres,then?
So it is a Bridge S23 review?
@@CyberGasty yep, we’ve already done a full launch review, if you were watching you would of seen the card at the top of the screen. We like a good bridge!
In short: the same thing continues to hold true for Suzuki toad bikes: new tires and brake pads should be considered part of the initial set up.
It's such a shame so many manufacturers waste good bikes on shit OE tyres. Just put decent tyres on and add a hundred £ to the price.
MT10 with a windshield is my choice.
Only issue there is the fuel mileage. 140-ish miles to a tank sucks for road tripping
The MT10 has the fun factor but I'm sure this has much better wind protection, even with a windscreen my MT10 is brutal at sustained high speeds. This bike if anything competes more with the Versy 1000 and BMW S1000XR, Tracer 9, Multistrada, etc with sporty fun capability but also the ability to tour comfortably.
5gal tank would make that thirsty CP4 more tolerable.
Its nice ill grant you. But its no NC750X DCT. 😊
3:43 One of these things is not like the others.
For me I think the tracer 9gts engine and tigers triples are just so much more exciting than this inline 4 and bikes to match.
Also putting nearly 7 year old dunlops on is just unforgivable for me.
Those dunlops are definitely the weak link. When I had them on my GT I burned through the rear in 1200 miles and the 190/50 felt like garbage cornering with no real feel, once I went to S22/Roadsmart 4 and 190/55 in the rear the bike was much better.
More Mossy!
So no one’s going to talk about the 200km top speed restriction?
My s1000xr is 2years old one on 25000, miles… 2500 miles is a couple of months riding, come on chap.
@@36moto it wasn’t a continuous 12 months, I doubt you could beat Mossy for saddle time!
Perhaps you would be more comfy if you had wider, higher bars, because you look cramped up with bent elbows.
Why do manufacturers put such bad tyres on their bikes? Rhetorical question as we all know it's to save a couple of $¥€£. More to the point, why do tyre manufacturers create such bad tyres for manufacturers and ruin their reputation? Surely the quick buck isn't worth the long term loss!
It’s the only way Dunlop can sell a tyre.
Ah yes another Mossy video complaining the bike lacks character like a KTM, oh wait fuck that’s broken, oh wait fuck they went bankrupt… but hear: KTM! Character!
That's how to put an advert into a UA-cam video
The ninja 1000 is cheaper and basically the same thing
Cheaper without the bags...and not as sporting. Different feel between the two. For comfort, go with the Ninja, for more sport go with the GX.