Nudura ICF basement. POUR THAT FLOOR BEFORE BUILDING WALLS!!!!!
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2020
- This video is basically just to show how easy it is to pour the ICF basement floor with only one course of blocks spray foamed to the footer. Trust me I have done this many many times both ways and every time I pour that floor when the walls are up I question my own sanity. This is worst in hot weather. The sun will reflect off the wall and the edges on that sunny side will be rock hard and the shade side edges you will be sinking in and leaving heavy foot tracks. Pouring the floor with one course avoids all that. Watch as me and the boys reach over that one block to hit all the edges and never have to get out on sliders or knee boards. Watch my other video on pouring the footers with a walk out basement all too grade with no step footing so you can pour the floor early. It's a win win guys. 👍👍
Bondo
I appreciate your attitude towards your guys and how you treat them, and how every third word doesn't start with F. Having spent 45 years in the trades and putting down 100's of yards of concrete and laying 1000's of blocks, I know how rare you are 😮😊 God bless you, Ron!
Thank you that is a real nice comment my friend.
Thanks for doing this video and all the instruction commentary. Awesome!
Watching a good concrete crew work is always a pleasure. You have a very talented crew.
Thank you sir I appreciate that.
Thanks I appreciate that comment. 😊
Ron, your videos are great! I've done concrete work years ago and this is great info for planning my ICF build.
Awesome glad to help ya bud.
I love how you take your time and explain as you go. The introduction of the guys is a great personal touch. I would like to see more videos, Thanks
Thanks Daniel I'm glad you like the videos. I got a lot of videos for you to check out.
You’re a great teacher! Thanks for all these vids!
Glad you are watching them and learning. thanks
Ron, thanks so much for this video. I'm building a walk out with 10' stepped ICF walls and was thinking about placing concrete in the walls and then doing the floor, but I am definitely going to suggest to the concrete crew that we do it your way. It looks so much easier.
Awesome Andrew 👍
Great idea I'm building my house this spring out of ICF I'll be doing the floor before the walls after watching this.
You will be glad you diud buddy. So much easier to trowel that floor off especially the edges. The sun will reflect off the foam and smoke one side and the other will still be wet if the walls are up. We do it both ways but when I can coordinate concrete I would always rather do floor like this. 👍😊
Get er done!
Great information and a fun working environment, enjoyable and makes me want too watch more
Great video and great ideal on pouring the floor with just the first row of ICF locked in.
Much easier to get the perimeter troweled.
Yes much easier I’d prefer to do it this way always if I can. Thank you 😊
Thanks for the videos - very informative & helpful! You answer a lot of questions! Great videos!
Glad to help.
New subscriber. Will be watching more videos as we plan on our own build in a few years. Would love to do as much of it on our own. Learned more in the few videos I watched so far than any other foundation build so far. Good stuff!!!
Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for subscribing. I’m glad the videos are helpful. 👍😊
Great vlog and a good video to teach up and coming lads and girls how to do right.👍👍🇬🇧Manchester England 🇬🇧👍👍
Thanks Brother!! Enjoyed that a ton. I'm a newb, so I'm learning as I'm watching, Cheers and keep em' coming, I'll watch them all.
I like your channel, Bondo, and the narration is great.
Thanks I appreciate that buddy. 👍👍
Yo! Bondo, I found your videos searching for the information about pouring the slab before the ICF walls and found exactly what I wanted to see. Thank you buddy, if you want to come do a winter job in TN I got one for you
Very nice details and informative. Thanks!
Awesome glad you liked the video Jeff
Awesome work guys keep it good 👍
Respect from the UK, nice work my man.
Thank you I appreciate the compliment. 👍👍
you boyz do good work. i have been in construction for 50 years.
Thanks Duane that means a lot from a veteran like you buddy.
Great resource with this video! Thanks for sharing!!
No problem. Your welcome. 😊
That was a great video, useful and funny commentary.
Thanks 😊
Damn, that’s a lot of hard work.
It was absolutely recommended to us to pour the floor before the walls and that’s what we did! Great video, thanks for sharing.
Love the videos. Nice crew.
Thanks a lot, I learnt as well as I was entertained
Awesome I’m glad you enjoyed it 👍😊
Brings a few memories of many many slabs and pours of every kind, keep up the great work.
Thanks Ken it gets in your blood. Lol 👍👍
Nice work. Great site prep and excavation, cost a bit more but so much better for the crew to have room to move freely on the perimeter.
Nothing worse then when you have no room to work around a project. And did you see the size of my son Big Biscuit? LOL
@@bondobuilt386 oh yes! That young’n looks like he could run two mud rakes, one in each hand!! Great to be be young, strong and capable. Keep em coming really enjoy your efforts.
@@lylecrome1265 Thanks. I'll have to see if he can run 2 rakes. LOL. More to come sir. 😊😊
Very informative !
Great idea only setting on course of forms before pouring!
Thanks
Thanks for the share, really like the narrations.
Thanks Justin glad you liked it. 👍
Nice work,will be building my own house in the spring with nudura,2000sqft per floor duplexe,no basement,i will watch more of your videos,Gatineau Quebec Canada
Jocelyn awewsome. I have quite a few Nudura videos that should help you out. I hope you are doing Radiant heat as well. I hope you subscribe beca=use I have tons of radiant videos as well. I snopwmobile in Quebec. 😊 Well before this Pandemic that is.
Great video. Thank you!
Great video with excellant information provided
Thanks 😊
Nice work guys!
Thanks Mark 👍
great job again Bondo from UK
Thanks 😃
Great video Bondo, like your calm and cool demeanor with your guys, I've had so many subs (one time) that scream and yell and run ragged when it doesn't have to be that way. Here in the pacific northwest we use Fox blocks and Build block. I started with Quadlock because that's all I could get 25 years ago. May try Nudura but it always comes down to price and shipping. I'm only 2 hours from a Foxblock factory. Great job, glad I found you and I'll subscribe and watch some more.
Thanks Dale I appreciate that bud. I don't get to fired up unless I am loosing a floor and the guys are standing there leaning against the cumalong LOL All I have to do is change my tone and they know we better get moving. LOL
I’m planning on building a cottage in a year or two. Icf seems like the way to go.
Keep up the nice work.
Toronto Ontario, Canada
ICF would make an awesome cabin. Id love to see that build. Timber frame roof would look sweet also. 👍
Thank you 😊
make sure you add an extra layer of insulation
Steven where are you? GTA? Come up to our farm (Artur Ontario) when we are ready to pour another project. You could help out and learn? Look us up, River's Edge Goat Dairy
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I’m just in Georgetown so quite close to you
I watched your video on the farm website Super cool.
Let me know when you pour
Great job man
Thanks Frank I’m glad you enjoyed the video. 👍
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and techniques, God bless👍🏻
Thank you for the nice comments. 👍😊
@@bondobuilt386 Whereabouts do you live, Idaho? I really like the laser screeding technique, I’m gonna have to try that. Do you ever slope your basement pads towards the sump pit? Also that power screed looks like it makes mud day go a lot smoother👍🏻
@@grantpeacock3537 We are located in upstate New York. 30 minutes north of Syracuse. The power screed is an awesome tool. saves the back and makes finishing easier. We only pitch the floor just a little bit around a sump pit. The water should never get to the floor height. We do interior and exterior drains in 8” of clean stone.We do pitch garage floors. I will send you a video on how we do that.
Regards
Bondo
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From 300 subs to 6k keep up rhe good work my man
Thank you 😊😊 its alot of work but I enjoy helping you all out. 👍👍
Great video
wish i could get you to come down for vacation an pour one of these exactly like this for me. awesome
Thanks. Hard for me to keep up with the work here. LOL 👍
@@bondobuilt386 what brand of glue/foam do you use? on the slab other than the rock you have down, did you just put a vapor barrier down and then re-mesh? Any insulation?
@@butopiatoo You can just get the great stuff foam. not the window and door kind. the regular expanding foam. 6 mil vapor barrier. no foam on this one. if were doing radiant heat we will put 2" foam and tubing or spray foam and tubing.
ANYTHING you throw on the channel, I watch!
Awesome thanks Jim I appreciate the support buddy. 😊
Grew up in the Burg ( Pittsburgh) , my Father worked in the construction business as a laborer & I knew how hard he worked through the years. Learned a lot by helping him with carpentry & various small concrete projects . Blue collar Italian family ! ! Lol My calling however was professional baseball ⚾️......been blessed 38 years . Love your videos Bondo , great job & very educational & well done .....my wife & I are thinking about building our dream home in Colorado , been living in AZ these past 25 years . I’ve been educating myself with ICF construction & methods , looking to build a passive Timberframe home but want to use the most energy efficient methods & insulation . I’ll be asking a lot of questions regarding your videos . Keep up the awesome work & continued success as well. My Uncle has a cabin in Kane, PA just south of NY border & where we always go hunting & fishing . Signed out of LSU with the NY Yankees too & spent time in Albany , NY ! ! ⚾️👍
Glad you like the videos Bob. I built my timber frame house. cut down all the trees and milled them up with my sawmill. A buddy helped me do the joinery. It was a labor of love. Now as I sit in my house and marvel over those beautiful beams. 😊😊
Good job guys
Thank you. I’m glad you liked the video. 👍👍
Very nice work...
Thanks Manny
Great team.
Thanks Karen 😊😊
Did flatwork for my dad about 50-60 years ago. Sure wish it would have been this easy back then. I'd have stuck with it. Back breaking, nut-busting heavy hard work back then.
Interesting way of doing that. We always mono pour the footers and slab as one; then start the ICF block build, then pour the walls.
Curt aren't you worried having that cold joint right at the floor? Like a potential leak or weak point? I thought of doing that and creating a key way for the walls to pour down into the floor a little bit. How many have you guys done that way?
thanks Bondo 👍
Be ok slab on grade. Wouldn't work here for a basement. To wet and no perk soil.
@@gregkump3639 I agree
Nice content I like it !
Awesome thank you 😊
Really like these videos. Got any waterproofing recommendations/preferences for the exterior side of that ICF wall?
Ishmael Yoder 😂😂 i thought you were serious for a second. Thought one of them left the Amish lifestyle lol. All these videos of your showing us how to do concrete just makes me that much more positive that i want you doing mine!
Glad you got a laugh out of it. LOL 😊👍
Wow, some real skill and pride there laying out the concrete! Wish you were in the Atlanta area. You likely know this, but Nudura's instructions state to use their low expanding foam all along the base...I'd feel better about not having blocks getting shifted off your nice strait chalk lines by doing it that way. They do it really fast...almost quicker than starting and stopping doing spots.
I have used Nudura foam or just the great stuff foam and the blocks are rock solid they don’t move at all. Thanks buddy 👍👍
Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Great video! Have you ever used Superform? And does that foam hold them blocks pretty good ? How often do you foam them ? Thanks for the great video
Bondo, your videos are awesome man. I’m getting ready to do my first icf foundation. Thanks for sharing them man. Any chance you’d travel to the Adirondacks to labor for a pour for me? Indian lake NY
Cool video. Pouring floor first is a great idea unless you have in floor heating... then I'd wait. Looks good tho.
Thanks 😊 You can do it with radiant just use short tap cons only about 2-1/2 “ and they will hold fine and not be neart the tubing. 👍
Wish I had thought of this when I did my ICF basement. I had 9'-4" walls up and the deck on, and I had to wheelbarrow over 16 yards of concrete, the truck chute could only get a small part of it and I was too poor to afford a pump truck twice (once for the floor, once for the walls). Should have done it this way and saved myself a lot of headache. Also would have been a whole lot easier to build the house afterwards. Kudos to you. Good idea and good job.
Jon thanks buddy. Yes that’s why I put these videos out to save people from some of my headaches and mistakes I’ve learned along the way. I never had UA-cam when I started. We did floors the hard way for years. Lol 👍👍
- Hi, what do you mean by “easier to build”? I’m about to start construction and trying to find the best ways.
@@jaybee3418 I built a timber frame, and all of the rough work was done in the basement with a stone floor. I poured the slab after the frame was up. It would have made it a lot easier to do the work on a solid slab instead.
@@jaybee3418 it’s much easier to pour the floor first. You can trowel all the edges from the outside and also there is a nice floor to work on while putting up the walls. 👍👍
I just subbed. I’m starting the planning phase for a starter house build; all self funded and minimal subs. You should add in your videos places where the equipment you use could be rented or bought. I’m personally interested in excavation and surveying
Kyle thanks for joining me on the channel. Most this equipment can be rented but I’m not sure about where you live what places rent these tools. Where I live Home Depot carries a lot of tools for rent but we also can get some good tools from a small place called the Rental warehouse. Just a locally owned rental place where I live in central New York. 👍👍
Good channel real stuff no show but all GO
Thans Craig. We have to keep moving. LOL 😊😊
Subscriber 852! Keep up with the great content and this will take off quick! Could you do a video on difference concrete mixes ie 3000 vs 4000 vs fiber reinforced and what it means to a homeowner and the longevity of their house? I keep hearing on videos that builders use the cheapest concrete available to save money and want to know what that means for the life of the house. Thanks!
Thats a good video idea thanks. 👍
I would like to see a video on using the power trowel. Technique of use, when to adjust the angle of the blades, etc...
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Wow Look at those tiger stripes that thing is burnished 🔥💪
Ya she burned in nice buddy. 👍👍
Great video and appreciate all you do. I am trying to learn some tips and tricks. In regards to the wire mesh, It sounds like you are trying to lift it up so that I assume would be somewhere near the middle of the concrete as you pour. How do you keep it from getting pushed back down to the bottom as you walk on it during the leveling and screeding part?
Cool video, even though your bells are backwards on the sdr 40 pipe. Smoother flow and nothing catches on the spigots if you keep the bells uphill.
Bondo,
I am a impressed with your video. No BS.
Your lines were star right.
I am working with an older laser, what do like these days?
Thanks Brian I will look at the model and let you know.
Thumbs UP and thank you. :)
Your welcome glad u liked it. 👍
I cut 2" notches at the bottom of the form about every 2', then poured 6" in the form. That way the floor and the wall are tied together. Then stack the wall blocks. Very solid.
I have did that once as well. Not sure about having the cold joint above the floor though. Might be a spot for a leak. When I did it was a back wall and a walk out basement so the cold joint was above grade.
Thanks 😊
Do you tie the floor and wall in every time ????
Thanks for the video... It would be nice to know the times that each step takes like how long before you can get on the concrete and how long it took to (start to finish...) .
Such great information! Thanks!! Just found you and have watched several videos and subscribed. Please please use the tripod more! I’ve never made videos-I just watch them😄-but the movement of the camera is too much for me. I know it’s possible to get the detail you show with less movement. I love the info! I’m gonna need to take Dramamine first though.
I really like your channel. Im new to ICF . Question on this foam foundation you don't need any vertical rebar with this type of forms?
I recognized that truck lol. My former coworkers.
At first I gave this a thumbs down, as I could not see how the lower course would hold. Boy was I wrong, this does look like a better sequence. Thumbs up!!
Thanks we have done this so many times and it never moves 👍
I have only seen a handfull of finishers as good as this crew. Mostly now in Az it's hurry , hurry hurry. Very few good finishers, I hope I am in that class. I'm 73 now EVERYTHING has changed. We had transits. Ugggggg.
Im 53 buddy and I started with a transit when I was 17 years old. Thank you
Have you ever tried this with foam under slab? I feel like that would push the block tops outward since the weight is higher up on the initial row
Great content! Please post more Nudura videos, looking to build a two story house with it! Already subscribed. Have you guys ever made the second floor out of concrete? (maybe not common in the US, not sure)
Thank you 😊 It is getting more popular around hgere but I have not gone past the basement.
@chumpy We worked with a company for our home that have done several story pours- all the way up to the gable! Impressive stuff.
That was a good concrete pour.
I’m planning on building a ICF cabin with full basement (if I can dig that deep) in NE Maine around spring 2023.
Got to learn everything I can.
How thick was that floor?
Did you only have a moisture barrier or floor insulation as well?
Hi that floor was 4-1/2” thick and we only had a poly moisture barrier
When we do radiant heat we put insulation board or spray foam under the concrete with the pex tubing.
Thanks for the tips! It looks like you didn't put in the horizontal rebar in that first course of block at the time of the pad pour. Is that right? Would the rebar help stiffen up the course of block so it is less likely to move while pouring the pad? I am about to do the same type of job. Thanks!
Is Nudura much different than Logix ICF block basements? I like how you did the floor with only 1 row of wall blocks. good idea.
I have used both but I like Nudura way better. Much easier to pour that floor with one row down. 😊😊
Hey Bondo…..thanks again for another great video. I am more and more interested in using ICF in build my shop/garage. You mentioned the equipment you have….excavator, and a Kubota backhoe I believe? May I ask which model you have? I am about to pull the trigger on a 2017 Kubota B26TLB. I would appreciate your thoughts….
Thanks.
Thanks steve. I have a mx 5100 with sub frame backhoe. I just got a Kubota SL65 tracked skid steer. We beat that poor tractor long enough. Lol
Great Video!!! Will this method work with in floor heat? As I can only imagine it would be tough to do the nice work you did with heater lines coming out of the floor?
Yes it will work with radiant. Just use 2-1/2" tap con fasteners so you can't hit tubing. It's down 4"
Took me years to finally try one of those pro metal foam guns that you screw the foam cans to. Once i used it i realized ive been wasting my money and foam w the cans w plastic straw. Will never use the plastic straw again. Many reasons to use the cans w the metal gun.
I am new to this foam form system. I have a 5 ft frost line. If you use the foam footer and foam wall, would that be called a frost protected wall and would this reduce the depth of a standard stem wall?
hey, very interesting, ive done some icf work and ive always poured the slab after the walls are up and its a pain. im building a house this spring, our family home, just curious if you ever run into any problems doing it this way?
No never it is way better without the walls to pour the floor. the edges are cake no kneeboarding with the shadow and reflection problem. 👍👍
I sure wish you guys worked in North Carolina
How did you do this? Did you come out one day and pour the footers. Let it harden then come back days later. Then put the blocks up. Then poured the floor. How much time in between the events?
Have you used Nudura series one and any experience with helix microbar in the walls? Great content.
Thanks I have not tried these products yet. I would like to though.
Just watched this vid. I thought it was a a unique way to pour the basement floor. A couple of questions, at the beginning you show the drain pipe with the bell end facing the downgrade and I thought the bell ends should face the upgrade, It may be different with that gasket pipe? Second do you ever use plastic rebar cradles to lift your rebar mesh off the moisture barrier?
Hi. The bell end of the pipe don’t make much difference in this kind of pipe. And we have used rebar chairs but the plastic ones tend to break.
wow great video nice work what is the of the footprint ft x ft also if the footer allowed would it be possible to tag down some 2x4 sleepers around the outside and attach your blocks with some angle brackets
You could do that but it is way faster to foam it down. If the footer is wet the foam will not stick so then I would do what you're saying.
@@bondobuilt386 thankyou just getting all the info I can .love that power screed and you got good crew everybody knows their task makes the project flow
@@abefroman3903 Thanks I appreciate the feedback bud. 👍
Question: What are the cuts for, and do they go right through the concrete and wire mesh?
Your wire is going to end up back on the bottom because they are walking all over it after the guy has picked it up. Why not use chairs to make sure it stays up?
I tried chairs a couple times. Some plastic ones broke and other kind created a tripping hazard trying to walk over the wire mesh.
@@bondobuilt386 What is point to use mesh then at all? It will be back on bottom and have zero structural effect for slab. Better use fiber reinforced concrete then if your men can't lift their feet.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 we had fibers in it also buddy. We do both. The wire does also add strength as we pull it up with the hooks.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 why be a hater. Wire was up one or two inches after pulled up and stepped on , just fine I have seen chairs wrecked and sometimes worse than pulling it. They did a great job in my opinion having poured over 30 years. We all need to look at the positive here he is teaching and doing a fine job...
@@saraschmidt2417 I have demoed many slab that concrete crew claimed to pulled up mesh while pour and mesh was directly on ground.
Rebar chair is so cheap that there is no point to not use it because mesh need to be inside concrete not under it.
But that's why you can find loads of videos here in YT when someone drive way is full of cracks.
How are you able to brace the walls to the pad if needed? Say you did not have enough room on the outside perimeter to do it.
29:39 🤣😅😂 I can relate to that
Ya Evin is hilarious 😂 🤣 😆
The conveyor is pretty sweet, don't see them in my neck of the woods, everything gets pumped. How does the cost of the conveyor compare to pumping? I would assume half the cost????
Ditto as well. I have 1968 SOG ranch that I plan to do the exact same thing. ICF to the roof!
Thanks for subscribing. Sounds like a nice build. if you got any questions along the way hit me up. 👍👍
Enjoyed this video. Makes sense to put the floor in before the walls. Why would anyone do it the other way? Where are y'all located ?
We are in upstate New York. Thanks 👍😊
Good video. I am planning a similar multi section pour on some additions.Was planning to pour the first 3 courses of ICF walls and pour the floors which will be at grade or higher( with steps ).
Would you consider pouring the ICF course first to stabilize the perimeter , guess you are okay with the spray foam holding it down?
I have seen a few people pouring the footers and the ICF for a monolithic pour.
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We pour footers and walls all the time mono pour. Usually garage stem walls and crawl spaces. 👍😊
It's plenty ready. You should be troweling along all of the edges. Not sure why you're talking about paying attention to where the loads were. You just need to start finishing it where you began pouring it and maintain that order in finishing it
It’s been a while since I’ve worked with ICF’s but I know the spray foam trick work’s really well. I’m curious if the floor could be poured with the footer, monolith, like the slab on grade we have in the south?
I think it could be done but it would leave a cold joint right at the floor and an area for water to get in easier maybe???
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Hi, great channel!....just wondering when you run underfloor heating pipes and then pour the slab, if you’re building with nudura afterwards, how do you put the bracing in without the bolts perforating the pipes in the slab? We were hoping to have a polished concrete floor so there won’t be any extra thickness to help.
Thanks from London!
Hi. We just use 2-1/2"tap con fasteners. they are up above the tubing. we don't pull the tubing up we leave it on there bottom with in floor heat jobs. also they leave a tiny hole that can be filled with some Portland and sand mixture. 👍😊
@@bondobuilt386 thinking about pouring the floors , laying out the interior walls and fastening the bottom plates then bracing off the plates -I know I will have to stick frame the walls , but no real biggie as I am a retired carpenter and this will be my retirement house --thoughts ?