Cluster & Wipers go NUTS! (It's a Jeep Thing)
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- This 2012 Jeep Wrangler has a ghost that randomly takes control of the Instrument Cluster and Wipers...sometimes "NO BUS" is displayed...it has to be the TIPM!
Well shop already tried a refurbished TIPM and the symptoms didn't change...
So it's time for a DIAGNOSIS!
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Ivan
Back in the 60's a radio never kept us from driving the car, nor did the radio ever mess with the windshield wipers. Progress is wonderful.
You sound like an old man yelling at kids to get off his lawn.
@@adobedoug2564 I hate yard work they can walk on it all they want. I am not picky about my yard it has not been reengineered.
never affected vacuum operated wipers, yer right !
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Man, NO BUS Stellantis videos are some of my favorites. It always looks like someone fed fentanyl to the fuse box 🤣
I like how you give us the conclusions and follow up bonuses at each case study video... Rarely No Cliff Hangers for this diagnostic technician!
Yeah.. That means he sits on the videos for weeks sometimes, just to get the fully ending. That's gotta be an organizing nightmare; keeping track of all your recordings and follow ups, etc.
I have a 2011 Town / Country. When I bought it it had a Sony aftermarket radio with an adapter for the steering buttons. I replaced it with a better unit and while installing it, I turned the key on without the steering buttons adapter powered and I got the exact same problem you had.
I turned the key off, added power to the steering buttons adapter and that fixed it.
yes, the interior CAN bus being open was what made the wipers come on.
There is also a video from Eric O with this same problem. In his case, the wires under the rear carpet were broken. Same bus goes all the way back in a Van.
my wife goes crazy if radio does not work then she gets to hear all the weird other sounds.
I always learn something. Thumbs up for your tenacity.
You know Ivan...The more I see these new rigs more and more I appreciate my 1942 Dodge Army Truck..and my 1971 chevy half ton Pickup ~Your A Swell Mechanic and we all Honer that-Thanks 👍😎🌍
Great diagnostic of a bus problem without the Pico - that's unusual. I was already expecting to see the bus going berserk on the scope 🙂
I guess "multiple annoying little problems" are also a Jeep thing 🙂
I was waiting for him to pull out the radio and use the scope to verify that there was no power after pulling fuse. Lol.
@@RK-kn1ud LOL. That would be a lot of work 🙂
Again Ivan, you cracked the case wide open. Always enjoy these videos, but I wonder how this guy is going to enjoy his new radio with that seat belt dinger constantly chirping.
Just started watching this video. We had a Jeep act the same way. It was a bad TIPM. Previous owner had replaced the TIPM with a refurbished unit and problem recurred shortly after we bought it. We got the previous owner to request a warranty replacement and had it installed. Still had problems but some symptoms were different. Bought a "new" TIPM from a different company, and the problems went away. Sold the Jeep.
The shop owners own vehicle 😆. I like farming out DIRTY stuff, but love the challenge of evicting dashboard elves.
Nice and simple diag! Just pull the radio fuse out, lol. The radio carries the network of its not functioning right, it'll interfere the network on the tipm! Nice job Ivan! Surprisingly you didn't do a scope job to find the module fault! Awesome video!
I've never experienced it but, on the Panther platform cars we have something called "Wacky Wiper Syndrome." This causes the windshield wipers to start working for no reason even when they are switched off. Seems the cavity where the wiper motor is mounted fills with water because the drains are clogged. I was thinking you had something similar here. Nope. It was the radio instead. Great video!
I've had the wiper park contacts get messed up on a car and do the same thing.
Even though engine teardowns and mechanical issues are fascinating, I love the air of mystery that network/electrical issues bring 🙂
Crazy how a radio can cause that... These vehicles these days are quite interconnected!
Ivan you are a saint! I get a kick out of the myriad of electronic glitches that you can successfully diagnose. Yes,I watch all of you and Eric’s videos. Way back when I was a kid I had a 1943 Ford Jeep, had lights one wiper driver only. All that was necessary was gas,oil,grease, and brake fluid. It traversed the roughest terrain that West Texas had to offer. Was the best dang Jeep either side of the Pecos!
My brother asked me to look at his ex's little foreign SUV thing years ago (can't remember what she drove now, been too long), but he was asking me to figure out why the outside marker and interior lights suddenly didn't work, as well as the door dinger and some other random interior stuff. He had pulled the radio out cause it crapped out, and they hadn't put an aftermarket one in yet like they wanted to. I plugged the factory one back in, and even dead it made everything else work again. He had to leave it in till he got a new radio
My guess the micro switch down in the seat clasp needs a clean & adjustment. Short but goody one Ivan.
Ivan did it again, I didn’t expect anything less. 👍🏼
I don't know if your the best diagnostician on UA-cam. But your one of the best and my favorite.
Thank you for your support 🙂
Excellent diagnosis. You used the most important computer too. The one God gave you between your ears.
I know you mentioned it but as an almost Fifty year professional technician still driving a 99 Accord the electronic failure rate and lack of parts and technicians understanding is more than a little concerning.
Also. You don’t charge enough for figuring this stuff out when no one else can.
You deserve to be well paid for fixing these multi thousand dollar vehicles that would otherwise be yard decorations 😳
It sounds like the stereo has a cold solder joint somewhere on the printed circuit board. Thanks Ivan.
IVAN, thanks for showing ur PPROACH /THOUGHT PROCESS always learning from the best. cheeeeeeers
Well if it was me, I would say address all issues, at least I know that they will be fixed for good. But I do not see myself buying such a vehicle. Ivan is the Man.
Wow, a self diagnosing Chrysler product! 😂
Check near the driver's door retaining strap. There is a grounding stud there. Had that problem except for the stereo worked
another genius diagnostic.
I haven't watched the full video. First thought based on our 2015 Cherokee Latitude, steering column spiral harness turned out to be a spendy but correct part replacement. Wipers started at end of normal drive to church when parking. Climate control went blank. Was a dry day so we pulled the wiper fuse for the drive home later. Dealer thought it was resolved with some software updates, but turned out not to be the case. Many lose of communication errors and most related to controls on the steering wheel or column. Dealer called and stated it was a little bit of a stretch and expensive shot to fix, but best their best techs could conclude as the likely culprit. Thankfully it turned out to be the correct diagnosis for our Jeep.
To call that a "diagnosis" is a bit of a stretch...more like lucky guess lol ;)
Ivan, To have an early 60'2 Chevy, Dodge, Ford again. All this technology seems worthless. It keeps this channel going. Love your stuff.....Pete
Hey Ivan: Maybe you could make a video showing how you keep track of all your recordings--- how you organize your video clips and keep track of all your follow ups's, etc. It seems like you always have several videos in play at once-- and waiting a few weeks here and there for the follow up, etc. However you keep all those files organized and how you do your editing (using premiere I assume)-- ??? I think it would just be cool to peek behind the curtain and see how you keep track of everything and get a sense of your standard editing routine and how long it takes, etc.. I'd sure be interested in seeing that. cheers.
I've just had the cluster repaired on my ford cmax. made loads of issues with the car. Locking unlocking doors. Not starting. Going into limp mode with mechanical failure warning. Modern cars are just too much trouble! Repair was only £100 though and all works perfectly now.
I just replaced the cluster in a jeep for a parasitic draw. I noticed that with the cluster out I could start the vehicle but could not shift it out of park. Also the windshield wipers ran anytime the key was on. Replaced the cluster with a used one and all was back to normal.
No bus!
That’s right, it’s a jeep 😂
Good lesson. Thanks Ivan!
Good diagnosis regardless of using the oscilloscope or not.
I feel your pain, dealing with Peugeot, Citroen comms 2000 in the past, which were always a pain in the backside. I give French/Italian wiring three years before problems. Now Fiat/Chyrsler/Jeep vehicles are with us, life has just got a bit more interesting. Serviced a Fiat 500L 2019 and had to hook up the SGW lead to reset the service light, just another way to make life difficult for the independent. I suppose we could all go out and buy connex for 12000 lol.
Ita a problem with the IHS net work. The wipers stay on and the head light stay on also. It's a safety precaution Chrysler builds Into their systems so you can get to your nearest destination so the network gets restored lol seen this a few times on the ram 5500 6.7's. Great vid Ivan man!
That crazy wiper issue is a Chrysler thing, part of the design so you can see what you are about to slam into when the electric steering fails, I reckon
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The estate I manage has a few jeeps and one a dem turns the wipers on one time when the piece of junk is started. Non serviceable ball joints are a jeep thing. New control arms.
That’s a crazy case study
Great job! I predict that you will have all the work you have time for, until you retire or decide to pursue something else.... Why would the radio affect the wipers? Because "computer". That's what they do!
Like many Chrysler products, the wipers come on as a default (safety feature?) when certain electronic problems occur.
It seems to me that everything is easier. The electric wiper cascade does not have digital noise protection on the data bus. Therefore, it turns on for any reason ...
I have a JK 2011 and does exact thing - I unhooked the battery waited 15 minutes and problem "solved" definitely a gremlim
Guy must not have used the radio enough and it got tired of being ignored. Still nice diag Ivan! Cheers.
Reminded me of my dad's oldsmobile, he tore out the seat to remove the dinger. Guess he really didn't like the seat belt. GM stood for "Gawd, Mom" I guess.
love your videos! really good work! =) / a swedish mechanic
We have a 2010 Dodge Nitro that has a failed ABS which causes the traction control light to come on. Apparently it's a very common failure (at least there are a lot of videos talking about it across many Mopar vehicles). I checked all the speed sensers in the scantool and they all work fine. The clock spring is bad too. I'm just not even going to fix it. lol.. The heater core is a 9hr job, and I just bought her a $15 heated seat cover and she's happy. So we're just going to keep running it as is. :). We should have sold it a year ago before it started all falling apart. Da^n the luck
On my xtool D8, I can go into the BCM and click the special functions in there and it has options to turn off the seat belt dinger; and also usually turn off the auto door locks when to shift into drive, and also the automatic roll down windows, dome light shut off delay, etc. You can turn all that stuff on or off if you want. I'm assuming it will be in every decent scantool. (at least I had all those options in my 2002 Acura MDX- but the car is pretty loaded and fancy with heated leather seats, heated mirrors, moon roof, auto dimming rear view mirror, dual climate control, etc.-- so maybe not every car will have all those options).
Had an 06 Grand Cherokee that, at 8 years of age, started having electrical problems. When I started the car everything on the dash would blink intermittently, car wouldn’t go into gear among other issues. Shut it off, restart and be fine. Traded it right after that.
Last Chrysler product I’ll ever own.
automotive active obsolescence! Good luck keeping up!
Great job Ivan.
I'm just constantly wondering where these cars are going to be when they start pushing 20-30yrs old. Or are they all just going to be so far gone with electrical/cpu issues they're not around.
They will be rusted out before then new cars are pretty much lucky if they see 20 years. Look at the 2000ish models alot of them have disappeared
Yup "modern" cars (let's say 2014 and newer) won't have a chance to rust out before the bazillion discontinued module failures (and sometimes premature engine/transmission failure) drive the owner to get rid of it haha
By then they will be making them with a thermal printer.(have a new car in24hrs)LOL.
@Runco990 ROFLMFAO your imagination is amazing i look at my 98 and put it next to a 2008 and the 2008 is completely rusted out. Sorry but you can't use thinner metal and not rust more. I'd like to see the 0 rust your claiming as well as mileage and what part of the country you live in. Come visit the salt belt and you will see the issue at hand. The new vehicles are much rustier and toast due to rust. Our junkyards are full of late models that the only reason they are there is they are not worth fixing due to being so rusted out they are dangerous
@@claytoncoolidge992 that's interesting. I think it depends a lot on the brand. Many Euro cars hold up better to rust... But they have other problems 😂
First radio upgrade that I ever dealt with that was connected to canbus to power on was an 08 grand Cherokee. New radio I just left that two wire connector Disconnected.
Hubnut would approve of the surprise wiper action, I'm sure...
This surprises me that pulling power to the radio apparently relieved the symptoms because there were two options to take. One, remove power to the unit and two, remove the connector buss on the radio. Removing power would not eliminate proximity shorts and opens to the buss with wiring, on-board hardware shorts and opens and loading issues, capacitance and inductance. Removing power would find any on-board electronic component / driver issues.
Chrysler has had other issues as well with that style of radio. We had a van at work where the speakers would only work when really cold out and would only work for about five minutes or so. When it was warmer out, they wouldn't work at all. Maybe they should go back to putting 8-track players in vehicles?
Thank you Ivan for the loony tunes network! The network CRC error checking should stop broken messages. Maybe the Think tool could either merge with Pico or add more network checking capability. The think tool knows who is who so theoretically it should be able to monitor all good and bad modules messages to verify where the garbage is coming from. It's only going to get worse with more complexity.
When the factory radio died in my cousin's jeep, it somehow caused a parasitic draw by keeping the bus and all modules active. That shouldn't be possible as far as I'm aware. Instead of using a switched 12 volt source, the radio listens for messages on the bus and wakes up that way. It should not be broadcasting data that would keep other modules awake, but maybe the data it was transmitting was so garbled that the other modules didn't know what to do? Idk. Ripping the stock radio out fixed the issue and a Scosche dash kit and JVC head unit was a great upgrade.
I guess he shot himself with the parts cannon. You could probably make three or four more videos diagnosing all the faults. 😂
I'm surprised the radio was not causing a draw also, to pull the bus down you would think it had to short or ground it, those radios do get hot, it's surrounded by the vent tubes, solid diag as always. Have you had to work on any autoauth Chryslers yet? Would think it's a pain if you cannot get good internet signal while out on the road.
Yeah have done a few 2018+...good cell signal is a must for the Hotspot 😅
Had strange problems with my PT Cruiser and Jeep liberty. Both problems caused by water somehow got into a connector under dash. Cleaned connectors all's well. Never figured out where the water came from.
Wow, almost identical symptoms to a 2011 Wrangler I had a few weeks ago, except mine had a functional radio and a bad multi-function switch that was messing with the LIN bus.
The SCCM and SAS modules being offline certainly has my curiosity piqued, though!
I've often heard people use the term clusterfuk, didn't know what it meant until now, thanks.
Wizard just fixed a similar problem on an Alfa Milano.
A bad ground was causing it.
In the case of this Jeep it may have been the radio since taking it out of the system by pulling the fuse stopped it.
When he replaced the radio the new one got a new ground.
I'd almost bet there was nothing wrong with the old radio. If there was an internal ground short, it should have blown the fuse. 30A seems to big for a radio.
The radio was definitely junk lol
I'm assuming you checked the oil first thing. Seeing that "oil pressure low' -- I'd be paranoid running it without KNOWING there's oil on that dipstick. I would assume you would check it as soon as the hood is open, just as a regular habit. So I have no doubts. ;). I know it's not related to the problem at hand -- But I just don't assume; it's bit me too many times: and it never ceases to amaze me how customers will run their cars all the way out of oil, not even know it, and keep on driving it.
My 2016 Jeep patriot JUST today. Wipers won't go off even though turned to off. Fog light come on and off randomly during driving. So. I Google searched Patriot electrical problems. Here's your sign. Lol Thanks
maybe a wet amplifier. jeep doesn't put things in very good locations, and everything seems to get wet on them. when my seat belt latches act up, i spray some contact cleaner in the slot and latch/unlatch it a bunch of times.
Well for the time being the Jeep is back!
have a 2011 Grand Cherokee that would intermittently go into limp mode , diagnostics targeted the BCM , the transfer case shift module , the airbag control module ,the traction control module , turned out to be the transmission selector switch on the console , they have had 4 revisions of this part and not told anybody , do not trust the diagnostic functions on Jeeps , nor the electrical reference guide , for example , poking around under the dash i managed to blow a fuse controlling the cluster lights , checked the 2 fuses the company said controlled this ,no good , random contact on Jeep forum suggested a third fuse(not listed) which was blown ,renewed fuse , hey presto i had lights again !
It's a Jeep/ Fiat / Chrysler thing.. When they work they're ok but when they fail or the plasticky bits "piss" oil all over, no fun!
Nice job Ivan 👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏
Maybe it’s supposed to say take the bus lol
true that is a FIAT installed function.
Just fixed my issue same problem before seeing video would of saved lots of time, been dealing for couple months now. I caused it with Andriod aftermarket radio KEY1 KEY2 for steering wheel controls made mine go crazy. Once disconnected everything fine no 🎄.
WOW he is good.
Hey Ivan, I’m also a diagnostic technician and Ive diagnose the same problem on a Dodge Caravan.
I think its a Dodge/Jeep/Chrysler thing 😂 These radios are garbage 😂
2013 wrangler same exact issues just started this week. Aftermarket radio installed a year and a half ago. Once vehicle was warmed up the issue stopped but radio still wouldn’t power in. We just unplugged fuse for radio let it sit overnight and still no issue with cluster and wipers. Could it be the way the new radio was wired? Why would it just start having issues a year and a half later?
Thank you so much this video was very helpful!
I enjoy watching your videos more than regular TV. You could have your own TV show. I wish you would make a video on how to use the picoscope and software and breakout box and what subscriptions are the best for diagrams.
Great suggestion!
on some Chrysler's models the front wipers and headlights turn on when there is a Can issues and it is a default state for safety
I once had to order a 700 dollar vw bug radio to fix an airbag light. Bus systems can cause all kinds of strange problems.
Got the same problem with a 2010 Jeep Wrangler. Going down the road, the wipers will turn themselves on and the gauges start messing up. At the same time the radio goes off. I put an aftermarket radio in it 8 months ago and everything has worked fine until now. I can pull the m12 radio fuse and reinstall and everything works fine for a day then right back. I’m leaning towards the tpim. This video would have helped me if there was a different fix for the radio instead of replacing it, as I just did
@@jtcoker2684 why would you go after the TIPM if the radio is the problem? 🤔😂
I just replaced it, still does it
@@jtcoker2684 8 months ago? The aftermarket CAN translator box is junk. If you unplug it do the glitches go away?
Gonna unplug it today like you did in the video. Was also wondering if the swc switch that is required with a new stereo unit could be the culprit
Wipers and headlights are defaulted on Chryslers when there is no com. I believe heat and defrost are as well. That's their limp home strategy.
I've never had confidence in Jeep and here they can't sell them....Without seatbelt the bonger is out.. 😂😂😂
the vehicle now has not only one, but actually two music, the one is something like NEVER GONA GIVE YOU UP or something similar and the other is BIIIIIMMMMM-BIIIIIMMMMMMM-BIIIIIIIMMMMMM
Ivan "The Exorcist" Temnykh casts demon out of possessed Jeep.
That "Jeep Thing" thing needs some kind of attention. lol
Funny title "It's a Jersey Thing" South Park reference?
Had some weird gremlins in my 02" Liberty. Think it was the left stalk acting up. I don't see it being the TIPM?
Feb 28th. 12th LIKE 👍 of the month. 🤠🇺🇸
I think Ivan deserves a medal for driving with that stupid seat belt dinger as much as he does for diagnosing the bus issue. Both require a man with a certain set of elite skills. 😂
You area very smart man.
Chrysler would have replaced
Tipm
Instrument cluster
Ecu
Bcm
Drivetrain
15k thank for coming see you again soon .
It's very funny because most mechanics would never own a chrysler because of all the electrical gremlins ,I personally drive Ford , Chrysler, and Mazda .
As a 30+ year 12 volt installer, I would bet dollars to doughnuts if you were pull that factory radio one will find some coins or bobby pins inside placed there by a bored toddler. I have seen this first hand, once with a dash fire. A 30 amp circuit is easily able to start an electrical fire. Add a plastic radio case and now you have a party.
Had this started to happen to me with my 16 jk before I traded it in but not as bad as this one. TPIM gone bad.
I’ve had luck with ignition switch and clockspring
Bests thing is, he got MUSIC!!!
Had a '97 Caravan that the wipers would turn on randomly. I put a toggle switch in it.
Another American special
I don’t know what’s with jeeps and wiring issues. I’ve fixed dozens of them and they all seem to be wired wrong. I’ve had to pin out multiple plugs. It’s nuts
Aint got no gas in it!
Evidently the odometer must have gone bezerk at some point also. 😄👍👍
I can't imagine bouncing around in a short Wrangler for 200k miles 🤣
Wow now the Dinging .would drive Me half bonkers, At least the Switch for the belt should work 🤢