I was comparing the WC rebuild to my team, the Hawks. I thought it was appropriate to compare in relation to the last flag of both teams 2015 and 2018. That places the Eagles three years behind so I was comparing our 2021 team. We were by far more competitive at that time but WC are arguably further along a track to another team that could potentially challenge for a flag or at the very least finals. You guys seem to run on a roughly12 year cycle 94-06-18. Pretty good in a, now 18 club competition. Will see you on GF day 2029 as we try for our third in a row against your young team led by your young captain and previous year's Brownlow winnee Harley Reid.
Hawks are about 3 years ahead. But the Eagles are just not having enough draft picks. 3 in the first four rounds next year. I reckon we need to free up some more spots and pick up guys with pick 60 plus in the draft. There must be talented guys being delisted or in lesser leagues that we can pick up for nothing. Roll the dice and see what eventuates. If they have excellent leadership and are determined then that is an important criteria with the veterans moving on. We need guys with a never surrender mentality.
Really good analysis. Actually helped me feel a little bit better about our situation. One thing I'll add though I genuinely believe cox and naitanui really unlocked our midfield, I know we won the 2018 grand final without both of them, but the 6,6,6 rule wasn't in place in 2018. Look at Brisbane and Sydney and even Fremantle with there rucks, winning the ball out of the centre and in stoppages has never been more important. Our ruck situation is probably the worst I have seen. We really do need an A grade ruckman to unlock our next midfield.
Of course we need a skilled ruckman. But the mids are a few years away. Concerned about Barnett being any good in 2 years time Jury out on Flynn but he is clearly injury prone.
@@grantsmith505 Barnett has talent its clear, but that doesn't guarantee success. Eagles have 3 specialist ruckman in the WAFL team tomorrow. Plus a ruckman forward (Reid) who is the tallest player on the list. So not sure how they'll manage that without guys being put in defence.
Loved the video. Anyone involved in the drafting from 13-20 shouldn’t have a job. Absolutely shocking. It’s so dire when you look at it all written down. Sadly been badly let down by senior players dropping off a cliff. The thing people I don’t think grasp is, we haven’t actually attempted to rebuild - we have just used our allocated draft picks. We haven’t traded players to bring in a higher than average amount of young players in. Sadly we must trade Barass to get more picks.Ryan too. Sheed, Darling, cripps traded for anything you can get, or either delisted or made sure they only play wafl so we can get more eyes on young players and get them to that 50-70 game mark.
Love your work Jessie - keep it up mate. Things are very bleak atm indeed and the next two years will be very important especially with Tasmania coming in after that.
Interesting video. My biggest frustration is how inactive we have been at the trade table. Other than Rioli walking out we haven’t traded anyone for picks. Hope that changes this year.
Eagles didn't want to receive draft picks in the 50s for Darling Sheed Gaff etc... Of course they would have been ripped off. But they need to change their thinking. They are desperate for draft picks. If they give up a Ryan for pick 45 then that may need to happen. In 3 years time he'll be retired or broken. But an 18 year old will be 21 by then and hopefully be the future of the club. Stop thinking value for money and instead focus on bringing in draft picks that can be packaged for lower picks or traded for players.
@@grantsmith505 Sheed should have been traded last year for a pick in the 50s say... every little bit counts when the EAgles are trying to bring in more draft picks. Sheed to be honest has missed a lot of footy for the last 2 years and basically missed preseason and the first third of the year. So not surprised he'd struggle. The question is whether his injuries are behind him firstly. Secondly, if he's fit whether he can deliver. You need to remember that even when he was in his prime he wasn't a front line midfielder and would play on half forward or the bench. So at 29 with injury interrupted preseason and season you don't suddenly get better.
Fantastic analysis and what mountain of work and stat's you have worked through to get this done. I feel that talent across the board is being rushed and pushed too hard which will be to the detriment of the competition. Young bodies are not getting a chance to develop properly and as such become prone to serious injuries.
Incorporating Tim English in the ruck is crucial, given his ability to dominate the contest and provide first use of the ball to the midfielders. Adding two experienced players in their prime would bolster the team’s depth and bring additional leadership on and off the field. With a new coach to implement fresh strategies and a clear game plan, I’m confident we’ll be back as a competitive force." This version includes more detail about the roles and impacts of each component you mentioned, which adds depth and context for an AFL-savvy audience.
When your challenging for a flag is when you pick up 27 year olds like baker, right now we need as many first rounders as we can get to fast track the rebuild
Great analysis and presentation of the different aspects of the list. but I think you may be a little rosy on our current situation. The lack of prime players and limited drafting is significantly less than the last rebuild atm. Plus the number of players that got delisted last year who had been on our list for 3+ years was such a waste of time, resources and development. The list management has been horrendous and I look forward to how the eagles approach the next trade period with a proven list manager at the helm. I see next year, similar to this year where we may play veterans too many times but with the result of being slightly more competitive. After next year, Cripps, gov, darling, gaff, (maybe sheed) likely all gone. And so 2026 will be the bottom out year. Just before tassie comes in. I am concerned but always optimistic that it will turn around quickly. 💙💛
The eagles also have a good chance of snagging a few late round picks, instead of delisting players, try and trade them off, for 3rd, 4th, 5th rounders. They could off load those late picks to the lions, for there 1st round pick, so they can bid on Ashcroft or Fletcher, one of the younger brothers who is rated extremely highly. that would give us 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder, maybe off load Barrass to the Dogs for a 1st rounder. That could give us 4 picks inside the top 30, that's a good start. If a team is desperate for a certain player, we may unlock some pick splitting, which could lead to maybe 3 x 1st rounders, 2 x 2nd rounders. I'm sure with this being Pykes first time in charge during the post season activities he will try to be creative. Also remember, O'brien who has done a terrible job drafting and trading in the past few years (except for Harley) is gone, and we have the former recruiter from the Tigers.
I think you should have cashed in on experienced players earlier while they had currency. You would have got in the similar top 5 picks as the first rebuild and better trade acquisitions. You'll get them in now but it'll be from spending more years at the bottom this time around.
they should have got rid of Sheed Darling Gaff as a pick for a pick in the 40s last year... plus any more you can think of. Of course its a rip off, but Eagles priority is getting draft picks. Even if we offload guys and pay their salaries for them to play elsewhere then its fine. We need draft picks pure and simple. But do we offload Barrass and Ryan and then pick up a lot of their salary. That could give us a first round and second round pick if we paid a lot of their salaries.
The Eagles were still a good team in 2010 and should have been 8 to 10 on the ladder, possibly playing finals. But some key players had to go (or had issues) and there was more focus on lifestyle choices and leadership than there was on football in those years. Also, the dramas of 2007 to 2010 took its toll. You could also argue that key players and coaching staff were exhausted from it all. Certainly players resented others that had misbehaved for a number of years. But the players were strong. Currently, the older guys are actually at veteran stage and are our best players still. But they're well past their prime. The kids are at least 3-5 years from reaching their prime and even then probably only half will ever make it. So we'll need lots of draft picks to keep bringing guys through.
No there needs to be a few elite mids added and a couple of infantrymen in the middle. Another 1-2 star key defenders needed too. Plus a ruck. So we're about 10 really good players short at least.
Think getting English comes far more into the frame now. Flynn can't be trusted to get on the park and Bailey isn't AFL standard. Need to start adding pieces like English and Baker to show Harley we mean business and aren't going to sit on our hands.
Baker and English will both be 27 at start of 2025. By the time eagles challenge again they will both be wrong side of 30 and possibly retired having taken away valuable game time for youngsters during twighlight years
@@user-ln8we1ud9c agreed but we can’t just keep rolling Williams out and giving our mids terrible service and getting smoked at clearances… Harley isn’t gonna stick around if we keep going the way we are
You can't base decisions on a maybe this will help us keep Reid, you have to do what's best for the club. And getting in 27 year olds to what is already not the youngest list strikes me as short term fix. Think long term success.
Duggan is an elite player, don't understand why you continue to slander him, he's there from the first bounce till the last, Oscar is unseen for 3 quarters but gets your ultimate praise.
I think 'slander' and 'ultimate praise' are strong words to describe my comments - I think I said Duggan is a heart and soul player but lacks the polish to be described as elite, particularly for his position. Oscar is underdone and playing okay - and is coming off an incredible year last year with limited supply
Hang on. Last 2 years was explained by injury and covid. But for the next couple of years we will bottom out. Our best players will all be gone in 2 years or well past it and injured. So you need to think of this being the year we're bottoming out (not last two years). So then you'd expect we'd have a few years in the bottom 3 and then start rising again. But we need to move guys on and free up draft places. Even if we have a handful of picks in the 60s and free up a midseason draft pick for next year.
@@grantsmith505 What planet are you on? Eagles got struck with Covid in 2022 and then copped the injuries on top. Remember, the Eagles had to go to WAFL teams to find players on loan because they couldn't field a team. You obviously haven't been following the footy much in the last few years.
@@grantsmith505 5th in 2020 and 9th in 2021. You sound like a very spoilt West Coast Eagles fan. I would have expected the club to have finished 12th in 2022, 14th in 2023 and then bottom out in 2024 and 2025. But injuries in particular and covid brought it forward and gave the Eagles access to early draft picks. For 3 years in a row early draft picks in the main draft and mid season draft. That's unheard of for the Eagles really to get draft picks in the top 10. So a blessing in disguise really. As Tassie is on its way in and getting early draft picks sooner and forcing the club to play kids will be good timing in the end. Far better than the alternative of slowly moving down the ladder and then trying to get early draft picks when Tassie have the preferential drafting.
I would love to see WC try something different. Why not hire an extra three assistant coaches for a few years and throw the kitchen sink at player developement? They have the financial resources to break the football department "soft cap" and accept that it will cost an extra five million over three years. If it fast tracked the next generation of kids the money would be returned in membership numbers and sponsors lining up to get on board.
I agree that there needs to be full deveopment coaches employed. But also they need to bring in lots of young guys by dumping guys and freeing up spots even if pick 65. Also trade guys and pay their salaries at other clubs, so we can get a critical draft pick.
I think the rebuild is going well, but it will be slow. The club is committd to the draft and for consistency. The thing is that they should have tried to move on guys for a few late draft picks. Of course the Eagles would have been ripped off for the quality that we were giving up. But we need early draft picks. Eagles not wanting to give up a star for bugger all. Or to pay their salary at another club. But get over it. We need draft picks by any means possible. 3 draft picks in the 50s and 60s can still bring guys into the system. Turning over the list will also add an edge.
Yes and they need to get draft picks now and trade guys and pay for their salaries at another club to get the deals done. But that will make us worse of course.
If we don’t end up winning another game , I would be asking AFL for assistance. North got 2 years in a row assistance. We could potentially split one of those picks for Baker and still get Finn O”Sullivan or Jagga Smith or Josh Smiley. I know melb media will be whining about the pick, but 2018 north finished 9th..
I am Hawks fan. I am totally against assistance picks in the draft. But after the charity handed to North, it would be hard to argue against the same for WC. I just don't think you would even need help if the draft was not so compromised. I would love to ban ALL draft compromises, father-son, academy, assistance picks and the glaringly obvious free agency compensation picks. It is getting to the point where a late second round pick is close to or in the 50s. As you mentioned, with Tassie coming in it is even more urgent to get this and next year very right. No doubt the Hawks benefitted hugely when GC and GWS sucked all of the top end talent out of consecutive drafts, the teams trying to catch up on list talent just did not have access to the youngest talent. Sorry, I got off topic a bit, but I think it is all relevant.
@@opticbeast1352 They also got the Ben McKay compo pick attached to their first round pick under the formula that nobody knows apart from the AFL. That formula can magically change to suit the current desire of the AFL. Everybody who has been paying attention knows that it should have been an end of round 1 pick.
I wonder how much of a factor the wafl eagles plays. It doesn’t seem like anyone is developing in that team compared to when they were linked with east Perth. I see development in Harry Edwards but that might purely be the size he’s put on.
I agree, I think Harry Edwards is really promising, still young and improving every time he plays. No doubt he'll make mistakes but he's tough, big, athletic, and reads the ball well in the air from what I can see.
The guys playing WAFL are just not really good players. If a guy isn't that good a player then its hard to improve. Hall Culley and Trew have had good years. With Hedwards he has been injured for the last two years, so you're comparing him now to when he was a teenager.
There is nothing wrong with the young list we have, but development is an issue. Don’t think the WAFL Eagles getting flogged almost every week is really developing our young players. That situation needs a big overhaul.
I think we seriously consider trading Barass whilst he's in demand and give Harry Edwards his spot. It may completely backfire obviously but I think Harry has shown plenty and we'd definitely receive good compensation for Barass (and this is nothing against the bloke, he's top tier). Also agree with comments here about a good ruckman, one that can actually run the ground and get possessions.
100% agree. We need to give up someone valuable to get a good pick and so far the eagles have refused to do it. Imagine how much better our position would be now if gaff or darling had been traded for a 1st round pick 3 years ago when we first dropped off.
Bazzo will be back next year. But obviously we'd have to look at playing Oscar Allen and JWilliams down back to help out at times. Barrass goes and McGovern injured (as is likely). Then we'd still need 2-3 tall defenders. Rotham probably will be moved on.
@@BDub2024 yeah it's a good point. I'd hate to see Oz and Williams wasted down back but hopefully Bazzo, Jameson and Harry can lock in back roles instead. None of them anywhere near the quality of Barrass but part of the rebuild
@@S10xxxx give us a few first and second round picks and we'll throw in liam ryan and co... the thing is that he is unlikely to leave the eagles despite the speculation. he is from geraldton. (the saying is that you can take the boy out of geraldton but you can't take geraldton out of the boy). Well, I reckon it was a big more for him to come to Perth considering he is a traditional kind of guy and loves the country. And Geraldton is pretty warm. I just reckon Victoria wouldnt appeal. But Barrass Gaff DArling Sheed Rotham (a player similar to Sicily) would work well there.
Our last rebuild was after the end of the greatest midfield in history. I maintain prime Kerr was better than prime Fyfe. Equally tough but was quicker and a better kick (which isn’t hard) Fyfe had the better mitts
Its concerning that a few guys are too inconsistent and play to enjoy their footy but seem not to care enough about poor efforts. Obvious ones are Liam Ryan, Jermaine Jones, Brockman, Petruccelle... Concerns re Chesser (or maybe he is out of position) and Ledwards. In Saints match, you had six guys that didn't show up and they were all small mids-forwards (Cripps had a bad one too). Unforgiveable. Six of those guys (excl Brock) were poor and couldn't lay a tackle. Put them back to WAFL and see if they get hungry. Remember Jones didn't even put his arm up. Witherden and Rotham are on the edge of being delisted, but at least they look like they care. Consistency and resilience needs to be a critical factor in keeping guys on list and recruiting. Non negotiables.
Comparing those lists is like comparing chalk and cheese Reid and Allan are the only 2 who would fit onto those lists! ironically Cox and Carr dont want anything to do with 2025
But why would the Eagles want Cox and Carr either. Its just stupid press speculation and they'll be selling this story until a coach is selected. Its a story that doesn't stop giving. They'll keep coming up with names and if a guy says they're not interested then its a lead story that its a rejection. Until the next specultion... All the talk is Buckly now... ridiculous. Why would he leave Melbourne and come to Perth. If Port was available he'd chase that job anyway.
3-5yrs is how far away I see the eagles to being competitive enough to push mid ladder or any kind of finals seriously. From a North perspective a rebuild can effectively start anew when its a new coach. And sadly we North fans know that painfully too well. Reid, Barass, Allen, Waterman and Meric IMO are your most promising of players moving forward. There's a few other's not far behind but the ones I've mentioned are the outliers. WC'S injury predicaments are in better hands now and I'd arguably say it's a 2-3yr stint of bringing in new recruits of any kind that will greatly influence the eagles rebuild. The veterans days are understandably done and MUST be phased out, sooner than later. With tassie looming the longer that phase out takes, the more vulnerable WC can be when replacing those list spots. The ither key component is coach. WC need an experienced head coach. For the rebuild your about to effectively re-start you'll need someone to build a new gameplan, restructure the line-ups with the escalating on the go build with the cattle you have and will get and most importantly, you'll need the security to get that job done in good faith. New coaches don't survive rebuilds and David Kings words haven't been far off the mark in recent history. IF WC don't get this right soone it could seriously derail the club into something dire and the only upside to it is exposure of the higher ups of the club being IMO the more pressing issue ahead of Simpson.
We should not be trading for the likes of baker. We need the young talent, especially with tassie coming in. We dont have ebough talent and when we are in a premiership window in 5 years, baker will be just about retired.
Its not our job to analyse West Coast's club rebuild and I think its better not to have footy content uploaded to UA-cam and especially those without any professional AFL background. The anxiety and depression issues people are increasingly experiencing now, doesn't get improved from any personal form of involvement undertaken, for the subject of which one can't change outcomes and earn significant income. I have been a Eagles fan for about 35 years and played front yard imagination land AFL as a child for the Eagles and can't recall anything specifically regarding Guy McKenna and Mick Malthouse personally. The bottom line is the West Coast Eagles football club don't care about how this tragic 3 years has made fans feel and neither does the man himself who uploaded this content. The Eagles stint at the bottom of the ladder, shouldn't make individuals ponder how long they'll suck? But use it as opportunity to be with your kids or if need be? Practically improve oralsex skills to find your woman's rosebud instead 😊
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I was comparing the WC rebuild to my team, the Hawks. I thought it was appropriate to compare in relation to the last flag of both teams 2015 and 2018. That places the Eagles three years behind so I was comparing our 2021 team. We were by far more competitive at that time but WC are arguably further along a track to another team that could potentially challenge for a flag or at the very least finals.
You guys seem to run on a roughly12 year cycle 94-06-18. Pretty good in a, now 18 club competition.
Will see you on GF day 2029 as we try for our third in a row against your young team led by your young captain and previous year's Brownlow winnee Harley Reid.
Hawks are about 3 years ahead. But the Eagles are just not having enough draft picks. 3 in the first four rounds next year. I reckon we need to free up some more spots and pick up guys with pick 60 plus in the draft. There must be talented guys being delisted or in lesser leagues that we can pick up for nothing. Roll the dice and see what eventuates. If they have excellent leadership and are determined then that is an important criteria with the veterans moving on. We need guys with a never surrender mentality.
Appreciate your words of wisdom at a time like this!
Really good analysis. Actually helped me feel a little bit better about our situation. One thing I'll add though I genuinely believe cox and naitanui really unlocked our midfield, I know we won the 2018 grand final without both of them, but the 6,6,6 rule wasn't in place in 2018. Look at Brisbane and Sydney and even Fremantle with there rucks, winning the ball out of the centre and in stoppages has never been more important. Our ruck situation is probably the worst I have seen. We really do need an A grade ruckman to unlock our next midfield.
Of course we need a skilled ruckman. But the mids are a few years away. Concerned about Barnett being any good in 2 years time Jury out on Flynn but he is clearly injury prone.
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A few years away, if at all
@@grantsmith505 Barnett has talent its clear, but that doesn't guarantee success. Eagles have 3 specialist ruckman in the WAFL team tomorrow. Plus a ruckman forward (Reid) who is the tallest player on the list. So not sure how they'll manage that without guys being put in defence.
Very interesting video..the time you took to get those stats is much appreciated keep going love some eagles content during the week
Great analysis Jesse,the work you put in is amazing. Makes me feel a bit better for where we are at
How long have some of these players been on the list and we still wonder whether they can play AFL! I think it says it all.
Loved the video. Anyone involved in the drafting from 13-20 shouldn’t have a job. Absolutely shocking.
It’s so dire when you look at it all written down. Sadly been badly let down by senior players dropping off a cliff.
The thing people I don’t think grasp is, we haven’t actually attempted to rebuild - we have just used our allocated draft picks. We haven’t traded players to bring in a higher than average amount of young players in.
Sadly we must trade Barass to get more picks.Ryan too.
Sheed, Darling, cripps traded for anything you can get, or either delisted or made sure they only play wafl so we can get more eyes on young players and get them to that 50-70 game mark.
Love your work Jessie - keep it up mate. Things are very bleak atm indeed and the next two years will be very important especially with Tasmania coming in after that.
Interesting video. My biggest frustration is how inactive we have been at the trade table. Other than Rioli walking out we haven’t traded anyone for picks. Hope that changes this year.
Eagles didn't want to receive draft picks in the 50s for Darling Sheed Gaff etc... Of course they would have been ripped off. But they need to change their thinking. They are desperate for draft picks. If they give up a Ryan for pick 45 then that may need to happen. In 3 years time he'll be retired or broken. But an 18 year old will be 21 by then and hopefully be the future of the club. Stop thinking value for money and instead focus on bringing in draft picks that can be packaged for lower picks or traded for players.
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What possible value do Gaff and Sheed have?
Sheed can't even impact WAFL games anymore
@@grantsmith505 Sheed should have been traded last year for a pick in the 50s say... every little bit counts when the EAgles are trying to bring in more draft picks. Sheed to be honest has missed a lot of footy for the last 2 years and basically missed preseason and the first third of the year. So not surprised he'd struggle. The question is whether his injuries are behind him firstly. Secondly, if he's fit whether he can deliver. You need to remember that even when he was in his prime he wasn't a front line midfielder and would play on half forward or the bench. So at 29 with injury interrupted preseason and season you don't suddenly get better.
Fantastic analysis and what mountain of work and stat's you have worked through to get this done.
I feel that talent across the board is being rushed and pushed too hard which will be to the detriment of the competition.
Young bodies are not getting a chance to develop properly and as such become prone to serious injuries.
Really liked this Jesse, it was an interesting and I think pretty relevant comparison. Getting such late second round selections I think really hurts.
Incorporating Tim English in the ruck is crucial, given his ability to dominate the contest and provide first use of the ball to the midfielders. Adding two experienced players in their prime would bolster the team’s depth and bring additional leadership on and off the field. With a new coach to implement fresh strategies and a clear game plan, I’m confident we’ll be back as a competitive force."
This version includes more detail about the roles and impacts of each component you mentioned, which adds depth and context for an AFL-savvy audience.
When your challenging for a flag is when you pick up 27 year olds like baker, right now we need as many first rounders as we can get to fast track the rebuild
Great analysis and presentation of the different aspects of the list. but I think you may be a little rosy on our current situation. The lack of prime players and limited drafting is significantly less than the last rebuild atm. Plus the number of players that got delisted last year who had been on our list for 3+ years was such a waste of time, resources and development. The list management has been horrendous and I look forward to how the eagles approach the next trade period with a proven list manager at the helm.
I see next year, similar to this year where we may play veterans too many times but with the result of being slightly more competitive. After next year, Cripps, gov, darling, gaff, (maybe sheed) likely all gone. And so 2026 will be the bottom out year. Just before tassie comes in. I am concerned but always optimistic that it will turn around quickly. 💙💛
It's worth remembering that McGovern was a spud for three years. Sometimes you get these surprise packets
Your memory isn't very good he had a stellar 2015 season and made his first all Australian side in 2016. Not bad for a kid
I'd like to see you compare the rebuild with the last year or so and where we're at compared to previous years.
The eagles also have a good chance of snagging a few late round picks, instead of delisting players, try and trade them off, for 3rd, 4th, 5th rounders. They could off load those late picks to the lions, for there 1st round pick, so they can bid on Ashcroft or Fletcher, one of the younger brothers who is rated extremely highly. that would give us 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder, maybe off load Barrass to the Dogs for a 1st rounder. That could give us 4 picks inside the top 30, that's a good start. If a team is desperate for a certain player, we may unlock some pick splitting, which could lead to maybe 3 x 1st rounders, 2 x 2nd rounders. I'm sure with this being Pykes first time in charge during the post season activities he will try to be creative. Also remember, O'brien who has done a terrible job drafting and trading in the past few years (except for Harley) is gone, and we have the former recruiter from the Tigers.
I think you should have cashed in on experienced players earlier while they had currency. You would have got in the similar top 5 picks as the first rebuild and better trade acquisitions.
You'll get them in now but it'll be from spending more years at the bottom this time around.
they should have got rid of Sheed Darling Gaff as a pick for a pick in the 40s last year... plus any more you can think of. Of course its a rip off, but Eagles priority is getting draft picks. Even if we offload guys and pay their salaries for them to play elsewhere then its fine. We need draft picks pure and simple. But do we offload Barrass and Ryan and then pick up a lot of their salary. That could give us a first round and second round pick if we paid a lot of their salaries.
The Eagles were still a good team in 2010 and should have been 8 to 10 on the ladder, possibly playing finals. But some key players had to go (or had issues) and there was more focus on lifestyle choices and leadership than there was on football in those years. Also, the dramas of 2007 to 2010 took its toll. You could also argue that key players and coaching staff were exhausted from it all. Certainly players resented others that had misbehaved for a number of years. But the players were strong. Currently, the older guys are actually at veteran stage and are our best players still. But they're well past their prime. The kids are at least 3-5 years from reaching their prime and even then probably only half will ever make it. So we'll need lots of draft picks to keep bringing guys through.
We need another rookie gun midfield, key defender and ruck and we should be good to go with what we have now. Give it 2-3 years with this list.
No there needs to be a few elite mids added and a couple of infantrymen in the middle. Another 1-2 star key defenders needed too. Plus a ruck. So we're about 10 really good players short at least.
Think getting English comes far more into the frame now. Flynn can't be trusted to get on the park and Bailey isn't AFL standard. Need to start adding pieces like English and Baker to show Harley we mean business and aren't going to sit on our hands.
Baker and English will both be 27 at start of 2025. By the time eagles challenge again they will both be wrong side of 30 and possibly retired having taken away valuable game time for youngsters during twighlight years
@@user-ln8we1ud9c agreed but we can’t just keep rolling Williams out and giving our mids terrible service and getting smoked at clearances… Harley isn’t gonna stick around if we keep going the way we are
You can't base decisions on a maybe this will help us keep Reid, you have to do what's best for the club. And getting in 27 year olds to what is already not the youngest list strikes me as short term fix. Think long term success.
yes its hard to rove to a losing ruck. Not convinced on Barnett long term.
Flynn shit. Another bad Simpson call.
Duggan is an elite player, don't understand why you continue to slander him, he's there from the first bounce till the last, Oscar is unseen for 3 quarters but gets your ultimate praise.
I think 'slander' and 'ultimate praise' are strong words to describe my comments - I think I said Duggan is a heart and soul player but lacks the polish to be described as elite, particularly for his position. Oscar is underdone and playing okay - and is coming off an incredible year last year with limited supply
This just isn't ending its very worrying
Hang on. Last 2 years was explained by injury and covid. But for the next couple of years we will bottom out. Our best players will all be gone in 2 years or well past it and injured. So you need to think of this being the year we're bottoming out (not last two years). So then you'd expect we'd have a few years in the bottom 3 and then start rising again. But we need to move guys on and free up draft places. Even if we have a handful of picks in the 60s and free up a midseason draft pick for next year.
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Covid was 4 years ago...how long you going to blame that?
@@grantsmith505 What planet are you on? Eagles got struck with Covid in 2022 and then copped the injuries on top. Remember, the Eagles had to go to WAFL teams to find players on loan because they couldn't field a team. You obviously haven't been following the footy much in the last few years.
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Eagles been on a slide since late 2020
A full two seasons before their disastrous covid management issues occurred
@@grantsmith505 5th in 2020 and 9th in 2021. You sound like a very spoilt West Coast Eagles fan. I would have expected the club to have finished 12th in 2022, 14th in 2023 and then bottom out in 2024 and 2025. But injuries in particular and covid brought it forward and gave the Eagles access to early draft picks. For 3 years in a row early draft picks in the main draft and mid season draft. That's unheard of for the Eagles really to get draft picks in the top 10. So a blessing in disguise really. As Tassie is on its way in and getting early draft picks sooner and forcing the club to play kids will be good timing in the end. Far better than the alternative of slowly moving down the ladder and then trying to get early draft picks when Tassie have the preferential drafting.
calling it way too early on players like Hutchinson and Jack Williams. They could be serious players.
I would love to see WC try something different. Why not hire an extra three assistant coaches for a few years and throw the kitchen sink at player developement? They have the financial resources to break the football department "soft cap" and accept that it will cost an extra five million over three years. If it fast tracked the next generation of kids the money would be returned in membership numbers and sponsors lining up to get on board.
I agree that there needs to be full deveopment coaches employed. But also they need to bring in lots of young guys by dumping guys and freeing up spots even if pick 65. Also trade guys and pay their salaries at other clubs, so we can get a critical draft pick.
I think the rebuild is going well, but it will be slow. The club is committd to the draft and for consistency. The thing is that they should have tried to move on guys for a few late draft picks. Of course the Eagles would have been ripped off for the quality that we were giving up. But we need early draft picks. Eagles not wanting to give up a star for bugger all. Or to pay their salary at another club. But get over it. We need draft picks by any means possible. 3 draft picks in the 50s and 60s can still bring guys into the system. Turning over the list will also add an edge.
The sad reality is that the rebuild has only just begun
Yes and they need to get draft picks now and trade guys and pay for their salaries at another club to get the deals done. But that will make us worse of course.
It’s going alright, but it’s gonna be at least a couple more years before we leave the bottom 5
If we don’t end up winning another game , I would be asking AFL for assistance. North got 2 years in a row assistance. We could potentially split one of those picks for Baker and still get Finn O”Sullivan or Jagga Smith or Josh Smiley. I know melb media will be whining about the pick, but 2018 north finished 9th..
I am Hawks fan. I am totally against assistance picks in the draft. But after the charity handed to North, it would be hard to argue against the same for WC.
I just don't think you would even need help if the draft was not so compromised. I would love to ban ALL draft compromises, father-son, academy, assistance picks and the glaringly obvious free agency compensation picks.
It is getting to the point where a late second round pick is close to or in the 50s. As you mentioned, with Tassie coming in it is even more urgent to get this and next year very right. No doubt the Hawks benefitted hugely when GC and GWS sucked all of the top end talent out of consecutive drafts, the teams trying to catch up on list talent just did not have access to the youngest talent.
Sorry, I got off topic a bit, but I think it is all relevant.
I'd be focusing on getting in young talent rather than older guys who take the spot of a young player. Baker 27 in 2025
Your not gonna get much mate a couple of second rounders if your lucky
Didn’t north only get a second rounder and they didn’t win a flag this decade
@@opticbeast1352 They also got the Ben McKay compo pick attached to their first round pick under the formula that nobody knows apart from the AFL. That formula can magically change to suit the current desire of the AFL. Everybody who has been paying attention knows that it should have been an end of round 1 pick.
I wonder how much of a factor the wafl eagles plays. It doesn’t seem like anyone is developing in that team compared to when they were linked with east Perth. I see development in Harry Edwards but that might purely be the size he’s put on.
I agree, I think Harry Edwards is really promising, still young and improving every time he plays. No doubt he'll make mistakes but he's tough, big, athletic, and reads the ball well in the air from what I can see.
The guys playing WAFL are just not really good players. If a guy isn't that good a player then its hard to improve. Hall Culley and Trew have had good years. With Hedwards he has been injured for the last two years, so you're comparing him now to when he was a teenager.
How about a video on prospective father sons. Charlie Banfield is coming up I believe
I thought his son is called Bailey, like the Docker guy. There is a Wooden as well.
@@BDub2024 If Im not mistaken Charlie is the younger brother of Bailey? Sounds pretty draftable at this stage
@@TrueEagleAFL it would be good to have two of them.
There is nothing wrong with the young list we have, but development is an issue. Don’t think the WAFL Eagles getting flogged almost every week is really developing our young players. That situation needs a big overhaul.
I think we seriously consider trading Barass whilst he's in demand and give Harry Edwards his spot. It may completely backfire obviously but I think Harry has shown plenty and we'd definitely receive good compensation for Barass (and this is nothing against the bloke, he's top tier). Also agree with comments here about a good ruckman, one that can actually run the ground and get possessions.
100% agree. We need to give up someone valuable to get a good pick and so far the eagles have refused to do it. Imagine how much better our position would be now if gaff or darling had been traded for a 1st round pick 3 years ago when we first dropped off.
Bazzo will be back next year. But obviously we'd have to look at playing Oscar Allen and JWilliams down back to help out at times. Barrass goes and McGovern injured (as is likely). Then we'd still need 2-3 tall defenders. Rotham probably will be moved on.
@@BDub2024 yeah it's a good point. I'd hate to see Oz and Williams wasted down back but hopefully Bazzo, Jameson and Harry can lock in back roles instead. None of them anywhere near the quality of Barrass but part of the rebuild
We will take him at the Hawks! Along with Battle to free up our backs.
@@S10xxxx give us a few first and second round picks and we'll throw in liam ryan and co... the thing is that he is unlikely to leave the eagles despite the speculation. he is from geraldton. (the saying is that you can take the boy out of geraldton but you can't take geraldton out of the boy). Well, I reckon it was a big more for him to come to Perth considering he is a traditional kind of guy and loves the country. And Geraldton is pretty warm. I just reckon Victoria wouldnt appeal. But Barrass Gaff DArling Sheed Rotham (a player similar to Sicily) would work well there.
I think west coast are in a very tough position and they hasn’t even bottomed out yet…
agreed. you need to remember that last two years it was injuries and covid. their best players are still the veterans.
Our last rebuild was after the end of the greatest midfield in history. I maintain prime Kerr was better than prime Fyfe. Equally tough but was quicker and a better kick (which isn’t hard) Fyfe had the better mitts
Its concerning that a few guys are too inconsistent and play to enjoy their footy but seem not to care enough about poor efforts. Obvious ones are Liam Ryan, Jermaine Jones, Brockman, Petruccelle... Concerns re Chesser (or maybe he is out of position) and Ledwards. In Saints match, you had six guys that didn't show up and they were all small mids-forwards (Cripps had a bad one too). Unforgiveable. Six of those guys (excl Brock) were poor and couldn't lay a tackle. Put them back to WAFL and see if they get hungry. Remember Jones didn't even put his arm up. Witherden and Rotham are on the edge of being delisted, but at least they look like they care. Consistency and resilience needs to be a critical factor in keeping guys on list and recruiting. Non negotiables.
Its ridiculous we haven't got a new coach yet.. waiting to start a rebuild next year is stupidity
Comparing those lists is like comparing chalk and cheese Reid and Allan are the only 2 who would fit onto those lists! ironically Cox and Carr dont want anything to do with 2025
But why would the Eagles want Cox and Carr either. Its just stupid press speculation and they'll be selling this story until a coach is selected. Its a story that doesn't stop giving. They'll keep coming up with names and if a guy says they're not interested then its a lead story that its a rejection. Until the next specultion... All the talk is Buckly now... ridiculous. Why would he leave Melbourne and come to Perth. If Port was available he'd chase that job anyway.
Kelly, Ryan or Barrass to Freo for there first pick
I think we may have to pay their salayr at the Dockers too to get any deal done.
3-5yrs is how far away I see the eagles to being competitive enough to push mid ladder or any kind of finals seriously.
From a North perspective a rebuild can effectively start anew when its a new coach. And sadly we North fans know that painfully too well.
Reid, Barass, Allen, Waterman and Meric IMO are your most promising of players moving forward. There's a few other's not far behind but the ones I've mentioned are the outliers.
WC'S injury predicaments are in better hands now and I'd arguably say it's a 2-3yr stint of bringing in new recruits of any kind that will greatly influence the eagles rebuild. The veterans days are understandably done and MUST be phased out, sooner than later. With tassie looming the longer that phase out takes, the more vulnerable WC can be when replacing those list spots.
The ither key component is coach. WC need an experienced head coach. For the rebuild your about to effectively re-start you'll need someone to build a new gameplan, restructure the line-ups with the escalating on the go build with the cattle you have and will get and most importantly, you'll need the security to get that job done in good faith.
New coaches don't survive rebuilds and David Kings words haven't been far off the mark in recent history. IF WC don't get this right soone it could seriously derail the club into something dire and the only upside to it is exposure of the higher ups of the club being IMO the more pressing issue ahead of Simpson.
North were given a lot of compensation though ?
Wtf happened to Langdon......
delisted...
West coast hasn’t bottom out yet
I hope they resign Culley. With no evident reason I have a feeling he could explode at some point
I think WC should get assistance from the AFL like North got with 2 end of first round picks, but will not get any due to winning the flag in 2018
of course we should get a draft pick as priority.
@@BDub2024 You will not any, hahahaha
@@brettcoles5262 The AFL and commentators need to stop whinging then. Without assistance (that other clubs got) it will just take longer.
It’s never as good or as bad as it seems
true words... don't believe press speculation. This is a rebuild and we'll be near the bottom for a few years. The guys aren't very good that's all.
We should not be trading for the likes of baker. We need the young talent, especially with tassie coming in. We dont have ebough talent and when we are in a premiership window in 5 years, baker will be just about retired.
Its not our job to analyse West Coast's club rebuild and I think its better not to have footy content uploaded to UA-cam and especially those without any professional AFL background. The anxiety and depression issues people are increasingly experiencing now, doesn't get improved from any personal form of involvement undertaken, for the subject of which one can't change outcomes and earn significant income. I have been a Eagles fan for about 35 years and played front yard imagination land AFL as a child for the Eagles and can't recall anything specifically regarding Guy McKenna and Mick Malthouse personally. The bottom line is the West Coast Eagles football club don't care about how this tragic 3 years has made fans feel and neither does the man himself who uploaded this content. The Eagles stint at the bottom of the ladder, shouldn't make individuals ponder how long they'll suck? But use it as opportunity to be with your kids or if need be? Practically improve oralsex skills to find your woman's rosebud instead 😊