Assault vs Sustainment vs Low-Vis Kit for Civilians
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2024
- Civilians with no backup, no logistical support, and no intel network are often marketed kit that mirrors top tier military units who do have all those assets. We break down three different types of "Loadouts", the mindset behind them, and discuss which is actually the most relevant for the average prepared citizen.
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00:00 Delusions of Grandeur
1:16 Assault Kit
9:51 The Issue
16:54 Sustainment & Recon
22:29 Low Vis Kit
Half of warfare is logistics. You can be great in tactics, but if you run out of food, water, ammo you're done
Novices talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.
In the American military 85% of the military is there to supply and support the 15% that fights.
.22 LR Glock 44 would be handy in many situations. Light weight, small, ammo weigh is low and it sure is semi quiet with suppressor. Ultimate jog gun in your pocket.
@@Resident-cb3yz the only problem I have with 22lr is on average they are not as reliable as center fire rounds. But you are not wrong.
"An army marches on its stomach." -- Napoleon
Combat vet here, my buddies ask me how i would assult a gun fight situation all the time.... my first plan is avoid it at all cost. I don't have a 6 man team pushing with me plus if I'm out I'm usually with my wife and kids. Im going to get them far far away.
100% survival rate for all gun fights avoided.
There was certainly a time where I’d have considered running towards the gunfire in a gunfight situation if I felt like I could save a life as a bystander. That was when I was single, unattached and childless. With a wife and kids, my priorities have shifted drastically.
If my family is with me, my top priority is to get them to safety. Everyone else, myself included, is secondary. If my family is not with me, my highest priority is getting myself home to them however possible. If I have to use violence to defeat a threat in order for that to happen, so be it.
In either situation, if I determine that I’ve got a realistic chance to eliminate the threat as I evacuate, I’d likely take it. However, as much as I’d like to think I would willingly give my life for a stranger in a vacuum, I’m not going out of my way to sacrifice myself for a stranger if it means sacrificing the futures of my small children. These days, my first and highest responsibility is to my wife and kids.
I preach. I hate nothing more when the anti gun crowd goes “why didn’t someone with a gun stop the shooter”. My job it self preservation of me and my family, not to play hero. It’s is there IN CASE of a run in with a bad guy not a free pass to engage a bad guy.
That is my outlook as a civilian single father now. I ain’t paid to be a pipe hitter anymore and most definitely don’t have the same support and a barrage of weapons/equipment at my disposal. I have some cool toys (many of my guns are better than than what I was issued). However, I don’t have access to a team, LMGs, various other small arms like grenade launchers, grenades, flash bangs, smoke recoilless rifles, ISR, CCA and CAS.
Combat veteran here and that’s wrong because in most civilian situations where the need to engage a hostile force becomes necessary you are in a confined space. Store, car, bank or in a crowded area etc. where retreat is not an option. You train for the HARD situation and pray for the easy one. That being said I am just a guy on the internet so think about it and reach your own conclusions.
"number one rule in a gun fight is bring more friends with more guns then the bad guy"- Earl Harbinger
Number one rule in a gun fight is not to be in one without proper background and logistics XD
Then the bad guy what? What did the bad guy do?
Rule #1: Don't be in one if you don't have to be
@@PoliticallyInsensitive it's from a book series called (monster hunter international) I'm sure if anyone who likes guns and monsters like wear wolves and vampires getting shot up and lit on fire will have a good read.
Number one rule in a gunfight is don't get into a gunfight!
"Especially after it cools down a little bit..." this is so real it hurts. High humidity drains my soul.
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You ain’t wrong my brother
Come to Southern Idaho, help us keep it free….and enjoy 0 humidity.
Welcome to Central Texas in the summer.
Humidity and heat both in the high triple digits!
(Joke, keyboard critters. Return to cheezy poof scarfing. ) Or at least high 90s each... Fahrenheit for our non-US friends.
@@buffewo6386bro south florida is horrible right now
As someone who's been a fireman and paramedic for 17 years now and dealt with many emergencies, when something goes down, it will never be how you thought it would be in any of your scenarios running through your head, it'll be at the most inopportune time, and itll be over faster than the shock of it all will be processed in your mind
Old advice from a WWII recon vet. He told me he only carried 2 or 3 mags for his thompson. I said only 3 mags? He said my job was recon, we would look at something and if it got hot that was enough ammo to dump and get outta the hot zone.
Also for low viz kits, look at how resistance groups handled there kits in WWII. 99% of what they did was being invisible and recon/intel gathering. See what they did and then modernize it. The fighters that survived would do alot of studying and research on the environment, enemy, political situation and so on. Kits had to be quick and simple to not just put on, but quickly drop and become a gray man again.
You’re spot on. Some may say it’s outdated but the first thing I did was look at resistance fighters of WW2 especially the French and Dutch. And just update it to modern day. That’s what 99% of us actually need
i agree so far BUT now there are thermals, night vision and drones, so it is alot harder to stay really hidden
@bushcraftrex5394 oh of course the playing field has gotten harder but on the flip side, every war with new tec comes new solutions. Look at the Polish Home Army for example.
Partisan groups in Europe has state sponsors. The US/UK, the Soviets and even anti-partisan German auxiliaries. How to move stuff from a factory in the Urals or Britain was a part.
Mhm. Going back to the older kit and learning the older ways is what we have to do. This modern trash is no use to us, aside from maybe armor.
I definitely think backwoods hunting prepares for a lot of SHTF better than a lot of gear. Can you protect your family? Can you harvest meat and feed your family? All the guys in my unit hunt and walking around in the snow or rain in Alaska has prepared me as much as anything else.
Agreed
this is the way
You in Alaska rn?
@redactedredacted1818 just got PCS'd, I miss it already. I missed the Highland Games this weekend, but if you're up there and anywhere near Homer, definitely go check out the Kachemak Bay Highland Games next weekend. I'm definitely trying to convince my wife to move up there after I get out.
You really think there would be any animal life left when the supply chain feeding 300 million people suddenly disappears?
lol “what’s that in yards” has me dying
Lol divide by 3.28, multiply by 3.
@irakennington9701 Yeah, I ain't doing all that. We're in America, so meters should not be the measurement used.
@lolk4530 maybe it's because the army but I use meters for everything even when I'm hunting. I don't even know what a yard looks like
Yesh, @@lolk4530 try being less ignorant. Imperial measurements are the least efficient, they dont play well with others, and they're outdated. I mean, what kind of government uses acre-feet to measure water flow in this day and age? Nobody but the USA and its embarrassing as fuck.
They're pretty interchangeable at short distances. Unless you are calculating long range shots or something else where known distances are critical, a yard and a meter are roughly equivalent.
I really like how reasonable and measured you guys are. You aren't just here glamorizing violence, guns, and being a "hammer". You talk about the realistic scenarios more than the fantasies. I appreciate that. You always give me tons to think about, and have even driven course correction.
Even still, they seem naïve as far as how politically-motivated and weaponized lawfare and surveillance is getting, and how much information they already have which can then become unperson lists.
prepared citizens should be looking at the average infantry kit, not SF kit
@@Sum-dudeI think a better way of saying what he said is that the mission is what decides the kit not the other way around
I'd argue that the vast majority of Americans are not physically fit enough to operate as Infantry...and not skilled enough to operate as SOF.
They might well be able to fill the roles of DMR, static gunners, and perhaps mounted security teams.
@@Sum-dude I think I see what you're trying to say, but SF guys run lighter because they're primarily direct action or recon roles. Average infantry covers a wider spectrum, from DA to recon to assaulting the objective in the open.
If they want to be heavier and more hivis, then yeah.
@@philliplopez1501sof guys arent super humans. average mill person are people who couldnt cut it in civ world. sof guys are just above average people
Wearing plates and gear for a living full time, puts a deep understanding of how much it sucks into play. The less you wear, the more agile you are and more likely to survive a rapid, violent encounter. Gear does not equal skill, nor does more armor make you safer. It makes you slower and a easy target. Great video, excellent insight.
If I was clearing rooms, I’d rather wear more armor than a knight. If I was defending my home I’d rather look like a juggernaut. If I was traveling across the country and being a guerrilla fighter then I’d rather be in a ghillie suit. It all depends on your objective. You must equip yourself accordingly.
And they say if it's too heavy that you don't end up wearing it, what good is it?
USMC.. yes combat action.
Don't go looking for a fight when you can avoid it. We went looking for the fight.. but it was the job. We had a full plan for:
1 - in fill
2 - on site action with clear objectives and clear cut bait point
3 - ex fill
We had supporting units, QRF, docs for immediate care, plan for casvac, all kinds of high volume of fire tools, grenades, smoke, vehicles made for combat.. air support.. I can keep going. You get the point.
Don't go looking for a fight if you can avoid it. If you have to defend yourself and your loved ones.. use extreme violence of action. The whole time you should be looking for a way to break contact and get out safely with your family.
I'm from Ireland,my only military experience was about 5 years in my countries national guard.Thinking and fighting more like an insurgent in SHTF situation might be an idea.
@@seanleonard9381they say that's really the most practical approach. That's essentially what we'll be as citizens trying to protect our families. We know the land, we're not going to be out marching across the land like an infantry force, we'll be at home trying to find food, stay safe, hidden, etc. Sounds more like living like a guerilla than an organized soldier in country.
Going high speed is for well trained, professionals. That job is all about training, years of training, and hours and hours of team training, every month.
Protect your families, neighbors and community in that order.
Logistics, logistics, logistics. Communities are safety, but communities have long logistical tails. Plan those tails.
Your teams need to be less than 10% shooters, 90% support, more support if your supporting children and noncoms. I know it's not sexy, but you need way more cooks, nurses, carpenters, electricians, plumbers, and drivers than shooters.
Video is cool though.
I say it all the time and I’ll say it again here. Less contractor, more MACV SOG. The basic load for an infantryman is 210 rounds. There is a reason it’s called “the basic load.”
Also I believe it would be a good idea to review what a patrol base is, what it can be used for and why it would be good idea to carry a collapsible day pack in your larger pack if your going to be out for several days.
Yep. Its enough to get by for platoon level react to contact situatuons. And its centered around the assumption you're gonna have more in your ruck at an ORP.
Less Reliant on Luxuries
More Tack and Survivalist
damn americans with their superior logistics. over here in vietnam the standard load for inf is 120 rounds
Ill take it a step further to a bit more realistic scenario. The great depression. Everybody was pretty much out of work and was fending for the selves. Country and farm folk especially in appalachia were the least effected by it because they could sustain themselves. They jnew their neighbors and traded and bartered with them. Kids would be sent out to hunt anything that could be thrown in the pot using single shot shotguns, beatup 22s, and old muzzleloaders. They also tended to the fields and would go fishing. Meanwhile fathers would be out working and trying to find any oddjob or work for food. Women were trying to stretch meals and cooking with less, sewing, and maintaining the household. One quote ive heard said "we had everything we needed we just didnt have money."
I feel like a economic collapse is going be a more likely scenario then invaders coming and parachuting into the country or a huge uprising. But who knows a economic collapse can lead to those scenarios as well.
I think everyonr should have all of this kit mentioned but everyone should have money saved up, silver and gold, a crapton of 22 and shotgun shells, and know how to hunt, fish, grow food, take care of livestock. You should own your own property. I know thats not easy these days.
what civilian situation, real or imagined, do you foresee needing 210 or more rounds in your loadout?
I need a Texas loadout that includes a misting fan.
Florida guy here- monkey butt powder is essential lol.
Tank top ranger panties and PC lol it’s hot down here
I was your 77th like and I was born in 77.
Truth haha
@@jeffharris7777 July 7th?
Honestly, I love this channel. I'm in-service, Airborne Infantry, but there's a lot here that I'm learning still even though it's literally my job to do this stuff. I've spent the weeks and months doing patrols and just sucking in the wilderness. I've got Ranger Batt buddies and Ranger-qualified buddies all giving me tips and tricks. But I'm still learning a lot here and I appreciate the time and effort you guys put into your videos. Cheers from JBER, Alaska 🇺🇸🦅
Thank you for your service.
oh my god pipe layers and hitters hahahaaha had me cracking up
I think I p’d laughing 🤣
"I'm not familiar with that industry, at all."
Accidentally called themselves crack heads 😂
Running out of ammo in a middle of a gun fight is my biggest fear ..... mogadishu must have been horrible for the rangers during black hawk down incident
According to some of the books that were written about it they did get an ammo resupply
Some of them got resupplied in stripper clips when they lacked magazines.
At Chosin Reservoir there are accounts of MGs getting resupplied with even the wrong caliber.
I’m sure you’ll be fine going from your house to your local Wal-Mart.
I never understood why people never think to conserve ammo.
If as a civilian, you’ve gone through four mags, you’re probably no longer alive
These guys could write an amazing action comedy, easy.
Can you imagine these two doing some sort of tactical Super Troopers movie? //JustTakeMyMoney//
@@xanthraas8241 Less Than Lethal Weapon 😄
extra large sweat shirt and baggy pants over the legs, and regular hunting backpack with my stuff in it, I look homeless while having everything I need.
Hydration and Snickers is what you need to get home. Interesting conversation, most of us just want a safe trip to Walmart 😂
Really all you need is a shovel, water, and snickers. Dig a hole and hide in it.
Snickers are messy in the summer, Cliff Bars for the win.
More of a payday kind of guy but to each their own...just don't touch my stuff with ya chocolatey fingers
You're not living off the land, you're living in the land. It might sound pedantic but that's an important distinction because being comfortable with less isn't so much about macgyvering stuff from nature but being intentional about your gear choices, understanding your wants vs needs, and being realistic about your fears and what you need to mitigate them.
Lost track of all our three letter acronyms 😂🤣
No lie, I read this comment at the same time that part of the video played.
IRS ATF FBI
@@ConsensusXFUBAR
Been saying this since I got into this stuff. “A sound you can not hear from a place you can not see”. Recon and marksmanship is king for milsim guerrilla operations.
If I wasn’t told, I wouldn’t have known you were wearing a plate under that flannel
For real, would have thought it was a medical brace or something like that.
In SHTF or WROL nobody will stop you from dressing like Batman or wearing a cape
Nobody stops me from doing that now. The cape part that is.
@@dasiksupahumancapes should come back into fashion.😊
@@zedhiro6131 Got the Ezio style black caped left shoulder on modern black pinstripe 3/4 length coat.
When the shoes and hat look extra vibrant, no one looks at the waist band
@@zedhiro6131 Mil type poncho is the new cape change my mind
Cept those that dress up like the Joker...
Great video guys. It’s so common to see dudes kit reflect SOF, when they don’t understand the missions set or assets available to those teams. I appreciate y’all advocating for people to prepare for what’s most likely and scale up from there
Honest opinion is that the best way to be prepared for ANY situation is to have a smooth carrier (nothing but plates) with a multipurpose chest rig that secures over it. Have a large backpack/rucksack that can hold SERE essentials and your overt gear. Have enough survival stuff to throw into that pack to sustain for a week with slim calorie intake, like stripped MRE and water purification stuff. Have a way to hide it all too.
That way, you can move everything on foot easily, stop somewhere to drop the ruck, put on the gear you need at that time, and do what you need to do. But all of that assumes you KNOW what you are getting into. Knowledge of terrain like water sources, footpaths and roads, and where the bad people are (or would be, if you don't know) is a MUST.
Many times it has been shown that light infantry with only the essentials can fight and successfully combat a well-armed military, but they MUST rely on civilian camouflage, hiding, traps, ambushes, and other unconventional warfare tactics. Not to mention being shoved into the most uncomfortable and undesirable areas unknown to man in order to hide stay ALIVE when that military force brings its might to bear. Otherwise, they can be trapped into open combat, where they will be slaughtered at a rate of 12 to 1.
The takeaway? Food and water, aka SURVIVAL, is the first priority. You cannot win in the short term, only the long term, and you have to survive until then. Then, ammunition and arms that suit YOUR NEEDS. Not COD weapons and drones and unnecessary junk (though money spent on better, high-end gear is better than wasted) . A reliable rile, ammo, observation tools (optional, technically) and the equipment to give you the ability to detect enemy movements and hide quickly. If you plan on engaging, you will only be hitting targets of opportunity, and you may not have time to grab everything you earned before the enemy gets backup and tries to engage again. This also means you need TRUSTWORTHY people that have both loyalty to your cause and a good reason to fight. Without teamwork, as they mentioned, you wont be doing anything. Without places to stay and hide, the survival essentials, and the ability to dig in like a tick and disappear, you will die.
Good Summary
Without getting long winded. This is correct and we could be friends 😂.
Think Red Dawn... in this scenario...
full circle, I used to get hated on by this type of crowd for saying water and water procurement is the most important thing possible. i was only a paratrooper, what did I know? water and community are more important than a slick kit. if it gets to that point where you dress up like cag and wander through rural areas, you are gonna get clapped when you roll up to farmer bubbas house for water and food. self defense and logistics
@@rustyshackleford9017 that must be why so many of these fellas are packing "tactical fat reserves" lmao
Water, and food. And not just basic bitch food, but good food with enough variety to ensure you don't wanna kill yourself after generic oatmeal breakfast #237
I swear the number of guys I've met who have full gun closets and empty larders with a single case of mres they bought at the gunshow 4 years ago.
@@mrspeigle1 LMAO, that’s embarrassing. Yeah, you need high-quality food, like you were saying people don't realize high-quality food can bring them a long way than shit processed food that makes you want to rethink life and kill yourself for how shit the food is.
@@mrspeigle1 LMAO, that’s embarrassing. Yeah, you need high-quality food, like you were saying people don't realize high-quality food can bring them a long way than shit processed food that makes you want to rethink life and kill yourself for how shit the food is.
As a not to long ago retired SF guy - you get it. You cannot fight very long without water. If you have out, you are thinking you are going to fight for a while. If you don’t have water, you’re going to heat stroke out in 60min if you are in a 80 degree plus climate going 100%.
East TN, Late June 2024, >90F: I have been seeing men in long sleeve hoodies, long pants, some in actual coats with my car thermometer showing 95F in urban and suburban areas. They do stick out to me big time and I don’t remember noticing these behaviors in previous years.
Also, WHY are there dudes actually doing this now!?! The guys I’ve noticed, are NOT tacticool dads like who are probably watching this channel.
I live in southern Az and the amount of emos/goths/incels that wear hoodies and pants, usually black ones, when its 100+ outside seems to be the same as normal... 😂
@@xMrPaintxxSame here, sir. Spot on seeing guys wear lined hoodies in the middle of summer.
Also, those are dead giveaways you're carrying more than a pistol on you. Not always but consider the context
Office workers that are too lazy to take off their jacket on their walk to lunch?
@@bigredwolf6 uhm, no.
Thank you! I’ve been trying to explain this to my buddies especially about getting a plate strike. If you get hit anywhere, even in the plates, assume that you’re out. If you get hit anywhere and it hits bone, you’re out of the fight.
To add on the cellphone section, if you are worried about using your daily phone in a bad situation, burner phones are still a thing and you can get ones on different networks that might have less traffic or have better service where you are, my family's cabin doesn't have signal on our normal network, so we had burner phones on vacation so we had good signal.
Also, Faraday bags.
Going on longer backpacking trips in the mountains is always an eye opener. Every ounce counts, as my dad says. Plus you figure out what you don't need, or what you wish you had.
Finally, I’ve been waiting for someone to address this topic. A term I was hoping to hear was scalability. Adding or selecting gear based on your tactical situation.
Scenario: if I see you “foraging” near my isolated property, how can I tell if you’re one of the good guys. I’m going to assume you’re up to no good, particularly if you’re in full battle rattle.
Similarly, a societal collapse won’t happen overnight. If the civil authorities are being with multiple insurgent groups, and you look militaristic ( camo, military boot, tactical bags) you just became a target.
You want to draw the least amount of attention to yourself as possible. But when necessary, scale up to meet the threat.
I think its worth pointing out that there's a lot of situations worth preparing for that don't involve going up against an entire platoon of soldiers. shit getting "weird" probably doesn't require 12 mags and weeks of sustainment, but still might require some overt kit
I'm thinking more along the lines of some basic protective equipment stuff for sleeping eating basic survival mostly camping gear really and then like a basic rifle in your side arm that's about it. Anything else that superimportant? You would leave wherever you bet down unless you're just a no mad. In which case I'm assuming you'll just adapt your kit. As you go.
What’s funny is that there are all these people that think they will survive to side mag number 11 as a singleton.
@@user-wc8lu7qd2m Agreed. People have unrealistic ideas about how this kinda thing works out. Assume they are better trained and in better shape etc that's not a good outlook, thinking you're John wick and are going to actually be successful let alone survive long enough to cut bait.
Retired army combat veteran, from middle Tennessee
Retired here in East Tennessee
Love y’all’s content
Keep up the great work
We’re supposed to be the bangers 0:32 Speaking of bangers this videos is a banger.
The most important piece of kit in my opinion that wasn't covered.. footwear.
Wearing uniforms has its own shock factor in SHTF a family of 8 dressed like Ghostbusters might not be messed with because people will assume they’re bats*** insane or they’re actually hunting ghosts
And a 'uniform' can really be anything. Even if you're keeping things discrete, something as simple as a dress code can help you quickly ID your buddies at range. If everyone's wearing the same general color of tops, bottoms, maybe hats, etc. you can still be in civ clothes without drawing too much attention.
@@seantheplayer101because nobodys gonna notice 8 people wearing the same orange bucket hat and green socks
There are times you want to advertise and oversell your potential, and there are times you want to undersell and be more covert.
The trick is figuring out which time is which.
@@nisse9009 If you're stupid enough to make that your uniform, you're obviously going to attract notice. The point is that you can use a common outfit appropriate for where you are, and just have certain parts that stand out if you're looking for them.
@@seantheplayer101 Wadiyatalkinabeet
Keep up the great work guys - your videos have the most entertaining intros, and the content feels more relevant to anything I’d ever do than the full LARP.
I’m really looking into expanding my low visibility options. The bag ideas gave me a good launch point.
Going through the process of buying for and then training for a dark day can get so confusing. Thank you guys for knowing what’s up and giving us a direct guide to all of this. It takes hours of research and training and you save me so many hours in research and so much money by helping know what is needed and what isn’t. Time and money are in short supply for alot of folks these days. Keep it up
man what you said at 24:00 is so true. August 2020 downtown Portland, OR was taking my mom out to dinner, as we were leaving to the parking garage a huge mob was rioting on the same street. We were pulling out of the garage and paying at the gate as one of the "proud boys" got shot twice in the back, less than 10 feet away from my car. I didn't even pay for parking I just laid my foot on the gas and got out of there. As I was making a turn to get towards I5 south, there was hundreds of people blocking the roads and burning the flag, I drove right thru no stopping. I looked in the rearview mirror and saw the gap close, I was the last car to make it out of there before it was completely blocked off by people. That was my last time in downtown PDX and have now moved to North Idaho. You never know when you need to be ready, so stay ready and don't bring any unwanted attention
Sure, Jan
Hey lemon check out the patriot radio next on GMRS. Or check out one of the local militia groups. N idaho born and raised
Even though your budgets are beyond mine, I really appreciate the fact that as Christian fathers and husbands, you take budget into consideration and place priority on taking care of your families and wisely working within a budget.
Christmas and Easter are pagan holidays not commanded anywhere in the Bible. They serve other gods and we're breaking the ten commandments when we celebrate them so we gotta repent. If you read Romans 1:22-27, serving other gods is the reason why we're living in Sodom and Gomora right now.
Also check Ezekiel 20:19-21, the Sabbath is Saturday morning to Sunday morning and it's the sign between God and his people, so if you don't have that sign God is gonna pour out his wrath upon you in tribulation.
And read Isaiah 66:15-17, people who eat unclean like pork and shellfish are going to be consumed by fire in the tribulation. So repent from eating it
And the Messiah's name isn't Jesus, it's Yeshua, he comes in the Father's name Yehovah. He warned us about another coming in his own name in John 5:42-43 because you don't have the love of God in you (the ten commandments - 1 John 5:2-3).
Having a bigger build is such a bonus no matter what class setup you go with and I freaking love it
The number of times you made clear that your not telling us what we need, or what will work for us, and clarified your only explaining what the consideration should be for our kits. Love it.
IMO the last thing a wise man should do is queue up with his buddies in the local state park wearing mismatched camo. “Our” military is too advanced for that approach. We’ve all seen what early 90’s antipersonnel ordinance could do and those optics are now 33 years old.
Matt Bracken and Bear from Bear Independent have offered their respective bare knuckle commentary in recent months re: what appears to be unavoidable domestic catastrophe in mc’merica. “Jack Hinson’s One Man War” by Tom McKenney is probably the most grounded in reality for what we may face. It’s the story of a Southern man whose family is annihilated by Union troops in the War Between the States. He quietly becomes a surreptitious extreme range sniper whilst continuing his “9-5” life in anonymity.
Yep. Jack Hinson made his mark about 30 min from my (Drew) hometown. Dude is a legend.
Dude, I LOST it at the Snickers part!😂
Sustainment is probably the only thing you should have on your back
lol
It's the PERFECT SIZE also slim Jim's 😅
Love the fact that your approach to this subject is from the everyday person.
Loved this one. I feel like I started with the long range recon and survivability kit, then a battle load out, and into my low vis kit. For me low vis is the best because it’s the kit you have that matters the most. I don’t like fixed armor when you’re actually out and about it’s just so hot. I the best part of my low vis kit is a bulletproof backpack. As a dad with a baby and a pregnant wife the things I actually need the most are food, bottles, 1st aid, extra clothes, diapers, and wipes. Mine has a large pocket for the 3a panel where you can also fit a ruger 5.7 in holster with light and red dot, extra mags, a saw, a radio, a fixed blade, some emergency blankets, and panchos on a trip to gattlinburg in February. But I mix up what’s in there depending on what I’m doing.
Love the vids guys. Def using your kit for Milsim kit inspiration 😅
Go for it!
The best case for a 'direct action' kit is Oct 7th and an open Southern border. The best lesson learned from that day was that the police were overwhelmed, and the IDF took more than 24 hrs to react. It was the reservist and off duty police that became the first line of defense where civilians were disarmed. In other areas where civilians did have guns, they became the resistance until the IDF could muster up a defense and counter attack.
Is it though? 24hrs without backup, i want more than what a direct action kit can provide.
From that day you can only learn/ confirm that governments love to sacrifice their citizens for their criminal goals .
@@Front-Toward-EnemyI’d say yes still. You really want the armor when the bad guy has buddies and they all have rifles.
For most of the Israeli citizens, the 24 hours wasn’t solid combat. Those who did respond didn’t need to stay away from home the whole time.
If there was a 10/7 in my neighborhood, I’d absolutely start with the assault kit and then plan on resupply from my own house.
@@timunderbakke8756 you need the ammo more. You can still rock body armor with a sustainment kit. Resupplying from your own house only works if you can make it back to your house.
I keep an assault kit ready along with a pack with a speed ball load out. 9mags, food/water and ifak. I run 8 mags on my kit, 5 on my carrier, 2 on my belt and 1 in my rifle. Plus 3 pistol mags and 1 in my pistol. (OH most importantly I TRAIN with it constantly.)
Great content. most people don’t realize they make themselves less mobile the more kit they put on. You are the only ones that have covered. Less is more in the civilian world.
The reality is, when shtf you're going to have to do everything in your power to avoid people at all costs, which I've already been practicing my whole life
Best advice I've seen in the comments.
Absolutely
Spartan sells shirts, like undershirts, that hold 3a vests. I use them daily in inner city Philidelphia since nobody uses rifles here. I know if NYC rifles are a problem but at least in my city 3a is gonna cover you. That said if I get hit im probobly getting bones broken or my heart stopped since trauma pads dont fit but there wont be any penetration into organs which is the thing that gets people.
That would be better protection if you’re wearing the 3A under plates too…
Nailed it! I carry a low viz kit to get back home and keep me and my wife safe! Only the essentials for a 2 day hike.
Thanks for referencing old videos around 20 mins. I like seeing the graphics showing your information descended from where with that child/parent topic referencing.
A Faraday bag with a prepaid burner phone and a battery/powerbank with a cable or two to keep it charged should be an essential piece of kit that everyone should keep in your low vis bag.
You can't buy burner phones anymore
@@turdferguson2863you can, in the US.
A burner phone is useless when the network doesnt work.
@@turdferguson2863uhhh yea you can, straight talk? Pre-paid service you acquire via cards at walmart.. if you are using phone for questionavle purposes or just dont want your name atrached to it, just bullshit the info when you go to turn it on... Not like the webpage knows your not Seymour Butts 😂
@@xMrPaintxx yeah I used to be a straight talk wireless customer. It's not like it used to be.
Biggest thing ive learned about low vis kit is that the only people who might notice aren't necessarily the people your worried about. And the people your worried about are looking for cops not a dude with a ccw and a slick rig.
Having worked mountain rescue (1) Learn how to read maps and navigate without GPS (2) Good boots/foot wear (3) change weather gear in cooler climates/ water in hotter climates.
Good stuff!
We watch way too many movies and what really matters is this practical understanding. Thank you so much for this video.
I'm a 40+ year old paraplegic. I'm a turret. I can "sit" watch at the entrance to my neighborhood. I can act as a delaying element while the women and children escape out the back. I can work trauma back at home. I'm the guy who covers the house while everyone else is on patrol. Someone has man the COC... I have radios, plates, medical, a rifle, pistol, spare parts, and an understanding of my limitations. My goal is to be an asset to my community until it's time to hand my kit to someone else and take the "long walk in the woods."
There is room for everyone who is willing to do good.
@@2ndTexasCavalry I agree, to a point. I have skills and knowledge that would be of great benefit to the next generation after a full societal collapse. I'm also a realist. Given my current health condition (I have some minor issues that without modern medicine would slowly compound over time.) I'm not overweight or unhealthy but I also know if the power went out and didn't come back on within 6-12 months my odds of survival would decrease drastically. I would do my best to be an asset until I became a burden.
It all depends on if we have a soft or hard collapse and how long it takes to establish a "new agregarian normal" I could replace most of my muscle relaxers that keep my legs from spazzing out with cannabis, but the antibiotics for UTI's would be harder to procure over time. On the plus side, I have a background in metalworking and can fix anything, the downside is I've already had a bone infection in a couple toes from an injury I didn't even notice and had them removed. (knuckles of toes drug on tile and well #life.)
TL;DR:
Political collapse? Family will probably make it through that and we'll come out the other side into whatever emerges after balkanization and warlords rising.
X50 solar flare? Yeah, I probably won't make it until civilization has stabilized.
Back panels are great because even when in an organized overtly militarized mutual assistance/self rescue situation, you need spare empty capacity to carry picked up items. You're a scavenger. You need to be able to grab recovered gear, food, water, medical, firewood, etc from friendly and hostile alike. If your buddy gets injured or lost...how are you going to recover his stuff? Throw a laundry bag or stuff sack or nylon duffel in the back panel for extra carry capacity. Even if you're just out larping you can throw an MRE and trash bags in it to pack out your brass and trash.
You guys always speak that realness that why I’m glad to be following you. These guys are spitting……real facts
New subscriber here!
I love this whole video (& the intro KILLED ME!). You guys hit so many great points with this. I love that you guys hit on the importance of breaking contact in each of these situations. Racing into a gunfight with a shitload of kit in ANY situation is a good way to die. So approaching it from the most likely thing all the way up to full-blown civil war/open conflict was a great way to go about it.
I also really loved that you all talked about the mounting civil unrest & the low-vis "Gray Man" setup. I REALLY appreciated how you generally discouraged people from putting themselves into these positions but also alluded to (briefly) why it might be necessary.
The reality is that everyone should start from a solid EDC position & scale up from there. Investing in good solid EDC (a proven concealed carry pistol setup, pistol-specific CCW holster, legitimate medical gear, a dependable high-lumen/high-candela light, etc.) If you are concerned about budget (which who isn't in today's economy?) you can do it the right way & virtually everything you add will be able to dovetail into your scaled-up kit.
The only thing that I think could have been hit on a little more is how critical training is when it comes to all of this. I really do appreciate how Mike Jones always finishes his videos by hammering the importance of training. You can have all the right gear that is legit AF but if you don't get the training necessary to utilize it you will never be effective. (I'm sure you did mention it & I just didn't key in on it very well).
GREAT video boys! I'm excited to check out the rest.
Backpanels are good for hydration sources (CamelBak bladders) and food, meaning you should get a backpanel if you also plan on bringing a bladder, which should be always.
You can never have enough water.
I just sit on my couch with my 1911 and levergun. I wear a flannel, does that help me look more tactical? I call it my low speed high drag load out.
Grapeshot loaded at the top of the stairs?
As a TACP this the best breakdown I have seen. It also matches pretty closely how I have set up my Personal Kits over the past 15 years.
I use:
1. The DA setup
Crye JPC 2.0/ Ronin Belt / Eberlestock 3 day Assault
1. The Overwatch Setup
Crye Cage/ VTAC belt / Mystery Ranch or LBT Ruck.
3. Recce or Long Range Strike
Spirtus LBV / Haley Defense LBV/ Either Belt / Kafarau Ruck
Love the production quality and subtle humor!
“S-s-some grubbies?” Goodness. Drew, you always have a backup plan in acting.
I would just like to point out as a civilian its important to understand your role. You should NEVER have to leave your family to run into an active shopter situation. It is not your role and can get your shot by LEOs. Fog of war fellas.
Yeah right. You have fun being a coward
Ive actually been re-evaluating my kit lately so seeing this has been great info.
Love this video- you guys are by far my favorite channel for survival and tactical information. Hella funny too😂
Wait, you guys have team-mates?
Lol for real
For 99% of civilians, a good concealable handgun, a pair of decent binos, and a good comms plan is a 90% solution to most problematic situations.
Of course, I'm speaking in generalities.
And a crap load of water and medical.
Depending on what is going on.
Most of these channels won't tell you that because they're too busy trying to sell you stuff you don't need.
Yeah, civilians aren’t supposed to fight or have offensive capabilities
Underrated comment. A glock 19, night vision capability, solid medical, and comms, and a perimeter denial rifle will cover most situations. The goal is to survive and evade night fight.
I love the subtle digs at each other.
Literally the best channel for the practical prepared citizen
Lol epic intro.
If you get into a firefight, you've done something wrong. Ammo conservation should be paramount. But the most important thing is:
"Proper Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance!" - Pat McNamara
I respectfully disagree. It could also mean your enemy did something wrong. If you get into a gun fight because someone tried to shoot up the mall you were in, that doesn’t mean you made the mistake. You can’t control everything.
Did he spit a lot?
@@Front-Toward-Enemy That is true. Context is everything.
Man, you're right on target with the fitness aspect; not many guys factor that into their preparedness and training, nor do they care about learning H2H. And don't even get me started with medical trng lol. A bunch of guys don't know basic first aid, but they'll spend hundreds or thousands on firearm classes, but don't think about what if they, or a buddy, gets shot and how to deal with the injury. More tools for the box.
Great video guys. Really made me rethink some of my setup. Will be making some changes based on what I saw.
25:35 nvg? you’re not gonna need that dude well be back in an hour.. 🤔 . Plates are going to be the biggest pain for people if you want green tip plates make sure it’s specified, a lot of lvl 3+ aren’t rated for m855/green tip. With mags combined weight can get insane. In Ukraine soft armor/soft with plates might be making a comeback due to so much h.e. Shrapnel. Whole weight vs protection wages on.
a conversation needs to be had for PID'ing friendly v foe
That's between you and your group. Decide what camo you standardize around (not multicam, that's what your oppressor is going to wear), radio frequencies and code words, overt/covert signals and challenge/responses, etc.
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@@sdfasdfadfasdfadfasd agreed. Im meaning more so, you and your group are out in the woods and come across another group. How to ID them as friendly v foe prior to an "engagement"
@@Rookie4563 I'd imagine that would play into the camo. If you're both wearing God's plaid and the UN or whoever is using multicam and baby blue helmets; you should know they're not the invaders in this scenario- that doesn't necessarily constitute them being "friendly" though; just not an immediate threat. Also, if they're shooting at you they're not friendly.
This has been so much fun, better than tournament casting. Please keep them coming.
Always a lesson in common sense and reality whenever you two put out a video. Thank you!
I would say "look at Iraqis and Afghans for your fighting load. Look at Nigerians, Sudanese, and Somalis. Look at the South African and Rhodesian farmers."
Imitate the people who are LIVING the the reality you are preparing for.
Yes! Exactly. Book by Don Shift, Rural Home Defense has a lot of Rhodesian home defense tricks.
Customize the cart, don’t try to reinvent the wheel.
@@oldkbellguy5156 thank you for the tip!!!
Idk, I think a lot of those scenarios listed, if given access to much of what we have available, would desperately want this stuff too. Imitating some poor child soldier's kit probably isn't the best advice. Study the tactics, but try to employ the advantages that having a better kit can provide you. But I will absolutely take a retrofitted Toyota Hilux with a crew serviced gun any day, lol.
@@rogerwood5228 I can agree with up until one has to choose a sustainable weapon system and kit. The US has a lot of disposable items and requires a heavier logistics train. When logistics fail, the third world leads the way.
Also, what do threats look like in the third world? What are the solutions? Model those.
Great presentation to remind us larping is larping and SHTF is survival. Think blend in, be armed, but invisible. Coms, offgrid coms, "tapcode" word coms, be able to have a normal conversation on the surface (they will be listening) and convey all the info you need to. 10 GPS stashes of 2 ea MRE, thick plastic OJ bottle of water, 2 candybars, 30 rds pistol and rifle, placed all about your property or in good locations may be helpful. Knowing what plants and animals you can eat may save your life, from opossum to housecats. Knowing all the local water spigots and carrying a spigot key may be best in town. Know your location, LARP trying to attack your location - learn your strengths and weaknesses. Maybe dig and maintain a spider-hole. Practice hide and seek, learn silent running and light discipline. Buy NODs and later thermals. Learn to live, move and fight in 3 visual spectrums: Vis, NIR and thermal. Train mind, body and soul, train often, spend little, teach family. 🫡
First of all those handle bars have no streamers
*Sigh... We will work on it.
First time here, and you guys have me rolling 😂 love this all! Thank yall so much for everything you do.
You don't have to worry about surviving a "gun fight," if you avoid it altogether. So many people approach this topic from the view point of CoD, or Battlefield, and those people are going to end up being loot drops for those that are more appropriately equipped, trained, and prepared. Short of making a show of force to try to deter interaction, the "low viz," for any sort of operations in this country, would be the best route to take, and only engage if you've already exhausted all other options.
Your not only fighting in this gear. You'll need toilet paper.
Not first!! 🎉🎉🎉(Where the heck am I!!!) 🇨🇦
Appreciate the honest thorough review of this topic
Great Vid and had to comment on this one. So I have some form of all 3 of these kits. I live in a cabin with alot of acreage in the smoky mountains full time so my versions are different. My "assault" kit is actually setup as a defensive kit meant to defend my home and property from any type of threat all catered towards my environment around my home and protecting my family. I do have a sustainment kit but it only comes with me when traveling far distances from my home like a Florida vacation otherwise my home is my sustainment. Now my low vis setup comes with me everywhere and is set up for get home under the radar. On top of my EDC I have my viktos bag in my truck that carries my minimalistic plate carrier, an SMC Bravo as my PDW, Medical, and basic essentials for up to a 3 day trek home. Basically The Low Vis setup is always with me and I train most with this setup because of use case probabilities.
lets stop planning for the worst and go out and do something about this and make it better NOW, start with MASSIVE amount of praying together, when more than one believer prays God is with them.
Just a reminder that you don't need the 2nd amendment as a Christian. Romans 13:1-7 inside your Bible says that if you are going use those guns against the government, God's servants to punish Christians that do 🎅🎄🎃🐰and break Sabbath, you will be punished by God
Christmas and Easter are pagan holidays not commanded anywhere in the Bible. They serve other gods and we're breaking the ten commandments when we celebrate them so we gotta repent. If you read Romans 1:22-27, serving other gods is the reason why we're living in Sodom and Gomora right now.
Also check Ezekiel 20:19-21, the Sabbath is Saturday morning to Sunday morning and it's the sign between God and his people, so if you don't have that sign God is gonna pour out his wrath upon you in tribulation.
And read Isaiah 66:15-17, people who eat unclean like pork and shellfish are going to be consumed by fire in the tribulation. So repent from eating it
And the Messiah's name isn't Jesus, it's Yeshua, he comes in the Father's name Yehovah. He warned us about another coming in his own name in John 5:42-43 because you don't have the love of God in you (the ten commandments - 1 John 5:2-3).
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If you're running celphones, remember there are apps that let you run radio-like communication, and are compatible with bluetooth headsets. That's probably trackable, but so are radios.
Also if you're in a more ~ fashionable ~ state, look at streetwear fashion: cargo pants and oversize hoodies are the staple of the style.
I have always talked about the low vis option with friends, and most of the time I get laughed at. This is a great video that distinguishes the difference.
In addition, the bando bag is a great plus up option since most people are carrying Fanny packs again.
Just being a "military aged male" may be enough to put you on the radar or worse depending on the situation. Look into the three Islreali hostages that were obviously unarmed, shirtless, and waving a makeshift white flag in Gaza, due to tactics at that time, these three gentlemen were treated very unwell.
Just being not fat and soy'd out is going to put you on their radar.
Given the situation, the loadout that will allow you to go out & see/get what you need and safely return is what allows you to pass thru airport security... plus a good explanation.
Well, that's what happens when local military is trigger-happy and can commit war crimes without any consequences.
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... and you can be detained, searched, and questioned for no other reason than "military aged male", I mean, we did it in Afghanistan, no trigger-happiness or war crime needed. When we found concealed weapons, sure they lived but, we didn't just pat them on the head and send them on their way either.
What happened to them? Idk what to google to get this information
Yes another post from Lucas Botkin and Brock from seal team
Good starting point on gear. Knowledge is power, and without it your gear is free stuff for the guy that has the knowledge.
Looking unimportant is a Murphy’s law for a reason.
Even as a soldier, I tailor my gear to the mission and what I learned in training with gear.
Appreciate the info, and that you aren’t gear salesman. Cheers guys!
Our government doesn’t think we should have body armor. We should have body armor.