Overall if MR or SP get downed it’s basically over also I forgot to mention this the minute you are punching white album your hands will freeze and slowly break off basically meaning you can’t fight anymore
I think you're underestimating SC's speed. As seen from the Hanged Man fight, SC is capable of near, if not full light speed. If Polnareff found his breathing hole, it would be over for him due to the precision he could produce to target it.
Kak is slept on as the emerald splash is not nearly as weak as you say you show it getting deflected but you have remember the only to deflect is Star platinum and Dio , SP is arguable one of the strongest stand physically and Dio is a vampire and it has been shown that vampire have some extremely strength a seen when Dio first becomes a vampire. And when it comes to its accuracy it only struggled against tower of grey which a small target moving at extreme speeds so not just anyone can dodge it.You also dont mention that his stand can morph its body can still do a decent amount of damage.With the 20 meter emerald splash only white album can do anything about it but if Abdul messes with white album they are pretty screwed.So Kak is pretty strong is being slept on hard.
The thing is that Johnathan or Joseph (I don't remember the old man's name in stardust crusaders) is actually Illuso's greatest foe inside/outside of the mirror world because he is very experienced in hamon and that's something Illuso can't stop from working in the mirror world so Illuso has a disadvantage when facing the old man.
Illuso; ah joseph joestar, you're trapped now i'm beating the shit out of you old man Joseph: caesar drop the beat Illuso: what "Overdrive song starts" Joseph: i crushed an aztec god into a vulcano with a nazi cyborg; CRAKER VOLLEY ( we know that joseph has the power to summon cracker volley wherever he is) Proceds at beating the shit out of illuso, meanwhile remembering the good time with caesar and killing aztec super vampire god of fitness
Now that I think about it, Jotaro would be a good match up against man in the mirror. If you are in the mirror world, stands can still be controlled, as seen with purple haze. So theoretically, Jotaro could stop time while in the mirror. And since time stop affects the entire universe where time exists, Jotaro could just punch man in the mirror's user to death with his fists, which is entirely possible as CHILD Jotaro was able to beat the shit out of Alessi, so 17 year old Jotaro would destroy him. Sure he would have no way out of the mirror, but if the affects of the stand go away when the user dies (meaning Jotaro exits the mirror world) then he's a pretty damn good match up. Tl;Dr Time stop op as fuck
is no one gonna mention the fact that almost every Crusader is physically unmatched? Outside of Iggy and maybe Kakyoin, Illuso gets beaten to death by every Crusader within the Mirror World, especially Joseph who still has his Hamon
That's a great and hilarious point. However, I think Joseph is probably the only other one who could defeat Illusory 1v1 in the mirror word. Illuso is strong there because he has a stand while his opponent does not. Mind games/ time stop will be necessary to win in that situation.
@@seaneaston1040 Joseph would win mainly because he is physically on par with a Vampire and he can also see Stands, so stat wise he would whoop Illuso's ass Not even mentioning how Joseph outsmarted the ultimate life form who had an IQ of 400
I know this would probably not work, but I couldn't resist making this joke: Prosciutto: (has a Stand that rapidly ages you based on your gender and amount of body heat produced) Avdol (has a Stand that literally controls fire and is made out of fire to an extent) (sweats nervously in Arabic)
Illuso’s counter is iggy- he can make sand doubles & can be hard to see (it’s a dog) Also, if magician’s red hits white album with a powerful enough fire blast it will detonate. Since the suit is made from frozen air (correct me if I’m wrong) putting heat it it would cause rapid air expansion
@@METAsMETAs So the battle would be very environmentally based. If it was in the deep woods illuso would have less options (other than people's eyes and dew and stuff), and wind could affect the grateful dead. If it was in a city, that changes the strategy as well. I think the great thing about stand battels is how the strategy changes so much based on the environment.
Funny thing is, White Album actually gets hard-countered by Joseph. Hear me out: Unless I’m mistaken, the armor of White Album is actually made of the ice it summons, right? In that case, while it’s incredibly powerful defensively, it offers absolutely zero protection from Hamon, which ice conducts fairly well. All Joseph needs to do is land one solid charge of Hamon, and Screamy Boi is out cold, pun intended. Now, you might be thinking, “Yeah, but Joseph wouldn’t even get the chance. If he gets frozen before hand, he won’t be able to conduct his Hamon properly.” A fair point, however, this is where Hermit Purple actually becomes really useful. Not only does it give Joseph way more range, but it also prevents Joseph from getting Part 1 Dio’ed. Hermit Purple’s Hamon conduction, unlike Joseph’s limbs, doesn’t rely on blood flow. They won’t be able to move if frozen, sure, but they should in theory still be able to conduct Hamon just fine. And this isn’t even counting Joseph’s biggest advantage: Angry Frosty the Snowman’s range. The amount of ice White Album generates actually works against him in this case, because it means that Joseph doesn’t even have to target him directly. If Joseph hits ANY ice that White Album is touching, the ice will conduct the Hamon all the way back to him and *boom,* Joseph wins by knockout (or like, heart attack or something, idk). This is all of course assuming that Joseph will be in a position to do all of this before getting frozen (i.e. he isn’t the first one to be attacked, ‘cause if he is his odds of being able to do all of this go down dramatically) and assuming he can still generate that strong of a Hamon blast in his older age, but under those assumptions, Joseph could potentially solo this fight without much issue. Or I might just be an idiot, idk.
I think there’s a few situations where Joseph is a bad matchup, given hamon. He can essentially counter fish beach boy if needed and Joseph can actually just beat the shit out of illusio
@@redman9301 Man In The Mirror is human power level Strong or not, Crusaders can't fight back with their stands Illuso can just keep distance with HIS Stand so Joseph, Avdol or Jotaro will not come closer
I feel like there's smtg missing that really changes the outcome of the fight, if this is a battle royale and its 6v6 then the crusaders have a massive advantage. Illuso and Ghiaccio hinder their team for obvious reasons while The Crusaders constantly work together to fight off stands that they don't know the abilites too. Not to mention Illuso needs a set up for his stand ability too.
@@PJBloop sorry man but illuso stand only works on mirrors specifically unlike hanged man. and ice is not the same as a mirror but is just a reflecting surface made of ice and not glass. so illuso is kinda useless. also time stop goes brr.
I feel like a lot of these match ups forget that everyone in star dust crusaders are physically stronger then la squadra. Jotaro, polnareff, and Joseph would probably be able to beat man in the mirror without a stand.
La squadra are trained assassins while most of the crusaders are pretty new to combat. The only one who id say is stronger than is Joseph but he arguably has the most useless stand in this entire match up.
@@normalguy5157 a 4 year old Jotaro beat the living shit out of Alessia, a full grown buff man. If that doesn't show his physical superiority then idfk what does.
Question- could Joseph charge Beach Boy’s line with Hamon, the same way he does to Hermit Purple, and therefore damaging Peschi? Because he’s absolutely smart enough to think of doing it, and in fact I think you’ve underestimated how smart Joseph is as a tactician. Plus, it’s confirmed by Araki that his “Your next line is” thing was Hermit Purple allowing him to see the future for a moment, which if he ever stopped using it to dick around, could be absolutely huge in a fight, at the very least keeping him alive long enough to pull a counter to one of La Squadra’s members out of his ass
@@rhinestone644 You are correct, when joseph used hamon on Empress it didn't work because the stand had grow on him and that classified it as his own body.
He does use it as a fighting tactic funny enough, its explicitly a thing done to throw the opponent off mentally. But yeah, him conducting Hamon through Beach Boy came to my mind as well, and it can be used to harm or affect other ppl and the man LOVES putting that stuff in wires after all lol
Magician’s Red could make the Grateful Dead kill all of its teammates by heating up the area. No way they don’t figure that out considering he’s probably fighting alongside Ghiaccio in a team fight. Since they’d definitely use his ice.
@@inverse1382 depends on how fast Abdul’s fire can burn ghiaccio’s ice faster than he can form it and also evaporate it quickly before it can have a cooling effect
I think you forget that Jotaro is also an excellent hand to hand fighter in his own right and if he’s sealed away from Star platinum he can likely still take illuso.
But wouldn’t Illuso still have his own Stand? Don’t get me wrong, I feel like Jotaro would win in a fist fight with Illuso, but it’s not like Jotaro can harm Man in the Mirror (And, as a result, Illuso) without Star Platinum.
@@inverse1382 Time stop would most likely still affect the mirror world, so he wouldn't need to do deal with the stand and rather just beat the shit of out of illuso.
Even without his stand, Jotaro would destroy Illuso. It is said in his part 3 character page that he is a skilled boxer. On another note, I think a series of videos like this where one part’s protagonist team faces off with another part’s antagonist team could be very interesting.
@@danielsniff6405 I wouldn't say keep up with SP, but I'm pretty sure a kid shouldn't be able to deal as much damage as fast as Jotaro did when he was turned into one, so I'm pretty sure 17 Year Old Joots could beat the shit out of any La Squadra member in a standless 1v1
Avdol makes Grateful Dead unusable as a team stand. In fact they might even turn on him if he refuses to withdrawal his stand because Avdol would melt and any ice they could bring as well as speed up the aging to likely instant death.
@@dandydanthedapperman7797 well Prosciutto isn’t fireproof now is he? Also I don’t think grateful dead will enjoy trying to combat a mid range fire shooting stand like magicians red
A thing that i feel that you are overlooking is that almost no one here has decent physical power.sure,their powers are amazing and have a lot of uses,but none,NONE of them seem to come even close to silver chariot and star platinum,so if they can manage to get into range it's a pretty big death sentence
I mean Metallica has a range of 10 meters so Risotto could get close enough to activate his ability,but not close enough to be in the danger zone of SP and SC
@@kuma6572 Granted, we've seen SC and SP throw/shoot objects to attack targets far out of their range, and knowing SP's crazy level of eyesight, chances are that Risotto going invisible and SP/Jotaro noticing dirt moving or imprints being left on objects are pretty high.
Yeah, La Squadra despite their unique powers, severely lacks in raw absolute power, with only White Album being their main frontline assault, everyone else are literally just Asassins, they need stealth and surprise to get the most out of their abilities, but in this scenario, the Crusaders have the advantage of being able to take La Squadra straight on, and even if they did tried to hide. hey have Hermit Purple with it's telepathic info gathering, Magician's Red's life tracker, and Iggy's dog sense
I feel Hermit Purple deserves more respect since while it isn't as strong it makes up for in how Joseph utilizes it like in tracking down other stand users or making a map of an entire town using ash from urns even being able to take information from others minds. It is for those feats i will always respect Hermit Purple ^^
Honestly it may not be the best of battle stands, but against La Squadra Hermit purple could and would be a monstrous support in favor of the crusaders, it’s biggest helps could be against the great full death, beach boy, metalica and little feet. Information is key in a fight, and I honestly believe that this would be more akin to a game of chess than an actual all out brawl, being able to track opponents, track useful items and even using hermit purple as a rope to get his teammates out of the way or even pulling enemies and objects towards him is incredibly useful, not powerful, but useful in a team fight
@G.V Animations best support standu. It grants scrying plus a team wide (mostly) immunity to Undead Magic. OP Defensive Stand! There's a reason RHCP want Joeseph out of the picture!
That doesn’t exactly save him from his body being filled with blades and other metal objects. Risotto’s ability works differently from the girl in part 3.
@@Fishofmanyhonor it didnt save doppio from that either, and he had to rely on risotto getting close. Joseph has range and hamon (potential to slow blood loss from blades, etc)
@@Seinsmelled You assume that a knife through the head can kill Joseph Joestar? The same guy who defeated 3 Aztec fitness gods and the Ultimate Life Form through the use of his intelligence and skills? The same guy who survived the volcanic eruption that was strong enough to launch said Ultimate Life Form into space? The same guy who attended his own funeral? Also, Risotto would think that Joseph only has Hermit Purple since he doesn't know about Hamon. How would Risotto even counter the Joestar Secret Technique?
I can’t give the win to La Squadra here because there’s so many abilities/strategies used by the Crusaders that weren’t mentioned at all, not to mention all the work-arounds there are for all La Squadra’s stands: For example, Avdol, Iggy, and Kakyoin can all counter stealth with their life seeking fire, sense of smell, and 20m barrier respectively. So if we’re giving La Squadra home field advantage and keeping all the fight locations the same, there’s no way Risotto, Pesci, Prosciutto, or Formaggio can hide from them. Next, there’s ways around Beach Boy and Grateful Dead (I’m considering this fight with the both of them together) Since GD’s ability affects friend and foe, Avdol can use remote fire attacks (his precision is so tuned that he can control his fire even when it’s underground which would make Pesci age much quicker. The Fool is able to shape shift to the point of making body doubles of people(which could also be used against Illuso). HG can do the same and even attack with its tendrils from multiple angles as seen in the Tower of Grey fight. Star Platinum can stop time and throw projectiles as well as phase inside of his own body to protect against BB. As shown in the fight, direct attacks will rebound against the attacker, but simply attempting to halt its progress/pull it out don’t . And there’s no evidence that SP couldn’t take the line out as the only time it was tried, is was by the physically weakest stand of Passione. Making these fights specifically 1 on 1 slants it even further in the Crusader’s favor. As for Illuso, as we saw with Giorno’s brick strategy, animated objects still affect the mirror world, the living part just isn’t visible or tangible there, so there’s an argument for Iggy being able to completely negg MitM (this is theoretical however). And if Jotaro got stuck in the mirror world, not only can he still affect the fight with SP from the outside, but he would definitely be able to survive Illuso’s attacks long enough to form a counter strategy-
Onto Ghiaccio: Avdol is a hard counter plain and simple. He’s got way more range and doesn’t ever worrying about running out of energy to maintain his attacks. Kakyion could potentially just send HG inside of WA’s air hole to attack him from the inside as we’ve seen him do similar things in the Death 13 and Lovers fights but I’m not gonna act like that’s not a less likely win in general. There’s no doubt in my mind that Polnareff couldn’t take the win here either: entirely capable of blitzing Ghiaccio, unless the armor is broken direct damage doesn’t translate over to him, and there’s nothing showing that(correct me if I’m wrong), SC can’t cut through WA’s ice armor. When it comes to Jotaro, we have to recognize that SP is physically leagues above any of Passione’s stands especially if we scale them throughout the series, so the fact that GE could crack the armor means that there little stopping Jotaro from completely busting it or using Star finger to pierce it. Time stop would also be a great asset for buying time for a finisher. On Risotto, again, MR, TF, and HG can counter Metallica’s invisibility and have great counterattack options. Also, if Doppio is anything to go by, there’s no way Risotto could kill Jotaro before he turns the tables considering a nerfed KC could flick scissors hard enough to cut his foot off
@@thatguy779 Since there's a breathing hole at the back of WA's neck, couldn't Silver Chariot just go behind him and stab that hole since SW is using a weapon so the freezing effect from touching WA wouldn't work on the rapier. And if you think about it, Jotaro could just freeze time to messed with WA since everything was stop in time and the freezing effect wouldn't work, he could just break WA neck by punching it.
Doesn't Avdol reveal a life detecting ability with Magicians Red before his death which he uses to find and kill the user of Tenor Sax? Couldn't the same ability be used to find Rissoto?
Yeah, it could detect his body heat and try to kill him. Based on Rissoto’s personality though, he’ll either escape with the info of his powers and ask someone else to defeat him, or just cut his leg off and trick the meter.
@@desadograisedrobot515 Probably, but it could be difficult in the heat of combat, especially if they have to worry about getting hooked, frozen, or aged to dust.
Why are Ghiaccio and Prosciutto not going everywhere together. Literally the only thing that negates Grateful Dead is cold so they could literally have the only method of avoiding the affect
That would be nice but that then concentrates the people together, when La Squadra work better in separated groups than as one entire unit. Certainly they have White Album and Beach Boy as great defense (as well as Illuso just grabbing random people) but Star Platinum could punch them for a few seconds, get out of The Grateful Dead’s range or stay within White Album’s range. Magician’s Red could also contest White Album so the protective effect would not be that great. It’s a useful strategy, but it’s rather gimmicky and still countered by Avdol.
@@iantaakalla8180 wouldn’t even need Abdul bc sp can just barrage throw rocks and beat everyone plus he can timestop if anything bad happens for ice man if he somehow impossibly dodge the rocks of sp he can just timestop and punch him up bc temp don’t work when there literally no time for it to affect
Joseph is being massively underrated, throughout part 3 he was definitely weaker compared to the enemy but just through the clever use of his stand he was able to hold his own plenty well and came up with some big brain stuff. With that being said, yeah no hes still the weakest member of the crusader but in a team scenario he can supply plenty of good support
I'd really like the see that. Joseph vs Illuso. Illuso brings Joseph into the mirror and thinks he has the upper hand, but then Joseph begins using his hamon. I'd also like to see joseph troll illuso with his cleverness.
I don’t know, I would say the crusaders will take the win on this one. Formaggio: With maybe the exception of Joseph, I would say he has a low chance of winning any fights. All of the stardust crusaders stands are ridiculously powerful with incredible destructive power, Formaggio really stands no chance against any of them. Prosciutto: He should have no problem with most members apart from Joseph. Joseph’s stand can help him locate Prosciutto and Hamon might be able to help him reduce the effects of Grateful Death. Pesci: His stand can be beaten by Jotaro’s time stop and Kakyoin’s, Avdol’s range attacks, Iggy might be able to take a win on this one if he can take Pesci by surprise . Ghiaccio: Avdol is a hard counter to Ghiaccio, so there’s that. Kakyoin might be able to hit him with emerald splash but unlikely, Jtaro can stop time and beat the crap out of Ghiaccio without beng frozen, Joseph can use hamon through Hermit Purple to attack from a distance, the rest is screwed. Illuso: Part from the Joestars, he shouldn’t have too much trouble. Jotaro however was beating people barehanded on a daily and even when he was a child he still won a fist fight. Don’t need to say much about Joseph, he would whoop Illuso’s ass. Risotto: Kakyoin and Iggy might be able to win, the rest not really. Jotaro is a bit 50/50 because of Star Platinum incredible sights and reflexes. If the fights plays out like an all v all, the chance is about 50/50, if La Squarda did like in the anime, they’re kinda screwed. Environment is also very important in this fights. Depending on the situation the outcome may change drastically from our predictions.
I would say Pesci has a great matchup against every Crusader except for Kakyoin. Jotaro shown in part 4 against the rat struggles hard against strong long range abilities. Time stop in that situation wouldn’t really be useful except avoiding attacks. But once Peschi got him there’s no getting the hook out your just dead. And that is the same case with the other short range stand users on the Crusaders.
The Grateful Dead is easily the biggest treat IMO since in the beginning of the fight Narancia, Giorno, and Abbachio were completely unable to fight in a couple of seconds exposed to Grateful Dead’s ability. Like they were sitting doing nothing and they were to old to fight before they even realized they were under attack. And the Crusaders don’t have abilities to counter it. In fact Avdol’s ability would make it more effective. With Grateful Dead’s range and the speed of the ability at best case scenario can beat all the Crusaders at once.
@@godusopp2452 Stand Jumping exists. Also, Jotaro was being a mentor to Josuke, and was basically baiting himself, and waiting for Josuke to do the job. With all of the feats from part 3 coupled with his experience up to part 4. That Rat wouldn't even stand a chance, tbh. Forget about getting a hit on Jotaro, it wouldn't even succeed. Not to mention, Star Platinum's eye sight. So, its safe to say, that Jotaro was giving all of the job to finish the rat off, to Josuke. Jotaro can also throw projectiles, easily enough. (Flicking Pebbles, or punching through the concrete/ground, and digging some piles of concrete/ground up, and throwing it at any of them in sight. Five seconds of time is more than enough. He could let either SP carry him, and run to Pesci, or stand jump to where he is. Star Platinum was also able to phase through bodies/objects. So it would be useful against Risotto, by taking the knives out of his body carefully. With SP precision and eye sight, it would be cake walk. Time Stop would help him in taking the knives out, or crushing them into nothing. With SP's strength... no problem. There are so much more..
Yeah I’m pretty sure Pesci isn’t gonna stay out in the open, and if he does, he’s going to aim his hook straight to the heart such as his fight with Bruno. If we are using everyone’s strongest form, Pesci should be bloodlusted. Reason why he wouldn’t stand out in the open is the same reason why Illusio wouldn’t walk in the real world
What about Beach Boy vs Joseph, imagine seeing an old ass man use vines to swing around and close the distance and maybe dodge beach boy lines + hamons always nice.
Remember: Hamon is a ability that can spread throughout metal and other life forces. So it might not have a range to it. And Hamon is possibly as dangerous as a stand. So it might not lose any power towards it.
Kakyoin is underrated 20 meter emerald splash is only countered White Album. They can’t really deflect it (no pun). His emerald splash was damaging DIO (the second fastest stand till part 6) he was getting overwhelmed. No La Squadra members are doing anything (White Album not included) once caught inside it.
But wouldn't it just end up being a nuisance for the other Crusaders as well. The 20 meter emerald splash only attacks whatever happens to touch its strings, and if La Squadra is in range, it's safe to assume that so are the other Crusaders.
@@LegendzPlushStudios it did just a few strands of it and DIO while good in keeping up with eventually got shot in the shoulder imagine all the strings going off at once?
Overall a great video that suffers from a couple of assumptions that really skew the fight unfairly in La Squadra's favor: that MITM can lock away all Stands, and that Prosciutto is a benefit for his team. Let's start with the latter. Prosciutto's ability hits everyone--friend and foe--indiscriminately. This means LS would either need to make him an assassin-type fighter that very sparsely uses his ability to immediately defeat an opponent before being taken out himself, or they need to have Ghiaccio play support and ice people in between jabs at the Crusaders. They'd have to go with the former, mainly because the latter situation makes it a wash for the SC thanks to Magician's Red's flames and Kakyoin's intelligence. ...
... Which would leave this a 5 v 6 fight just from the conceptual point, before the fighting begins. Next, there's the issue of MITM and Hermit Purple. MITM very likely would be utterly unable to stop Joseph from bringing HP in due to Illuso failing to declare that Hamon can't be brought into the Mirror Dimension. He just wouldn't be able to know to do that, even with his research capabilities. And it's very likely he'd target Joseph, too, (or Iggy) because he looks the weakest of the SC and thus the easiest to kill inside the Mirror Dimension. Though, if he tried to bring Iggy in, there's a good chance he'd bring in The Fool instead due to its disguise capabilities. Either way, if either HP or TF make it into the Mirror Dimension, it's pretty much a wash for Illuso there and then; I dont think I need to explain why for TF, but HP is a wash due to its ability to channel Joseph's Hamon, which we've seen him use before to control people's bodies for a short amount of time (like when he crashed that plane in his childhood), makes it a formidable weapon when you consider its longer-than-average range and ability to be used like tentacles to strangle or tie someone up. It's a matter of overwhelming MITM, which is about as strong as Illuso himself or his a bit stronger. (Given it WAS able to stop a full-force Purple Haze punch by using all of its remaining strength, although barely.)
@@HalohbotTech OK the problem with your first argument is that white album can make ice for everybody so they don’t age Second why are you assuming that MITM is going to fight Joseph regardless of other scenarios when he could fight anybody, he took out purple haze in the manga you can assume he would rather pick off the strongest fighter not weakest But I will agree that if he did get HP in the mirror world it will be an interesting fight BUT and this is huge Joseph is old in part 3 and you could assume that his hamon has gotten weaker so if he did have the power to control others it would be very limited or not useful Iggy slap tho
@@METAsMETAs For all of Ghiaccio's ice, there's Magician Red's fire. He would be forced to keep making ice ad infinitum to try and keep up with MR's fire creation. And as for why he'd go for Joseph, I assumed Illuso would go for the weakest member of the group because he's a slimy coward who only attacked Fugo because he had plenty of time to research him beforehand and to set up his trap. Without either of those, Illuso's not the type to try and bring someone who he thinks can fight back into the Mirror Dimension. As for Joseph, yeah his Hamon's gotten weaker but it's not gone yet. It's a bit much to assume it'd be too weak to be useful considering DIO still respected Joseph's Hamon production enough to kill him indirectly. Thanks for the response btw.
@@HalohbotTech homie spitting facts. its just the fact that Star dust crusaders is a way more well rounded and balanced team than la squadra. and none of the SDC stands fuck eachother up.
Wouldn't Joseph win against Illuso, because he has hamon and don't need stand to use it? Would the Hermit Purple summon on Joseph because it is Hamon and connected directly to the body?
I think Jotaro, Polnerff, and Joseph with no stands could easily beat man in the mirror due to them be strong as hell. If they team in him he would be him to a blood pulp.
@@kimotokirby1601 MITM itself is enough for a normal person, it can attack jotaro/polnareff, but they cant fight back since you cant damage a stand, MITM just need to keep distance
Fun fact about diamonds (the empress's teeth): Diamonds are one of the hardest things known to man, but they are not actual that tough. They are actually incredibly brittle and could easily be smashed into dust by a normal person with a regular hammer.
I think star platinum is a good match agains almost any stand, simply due to the ability to stop time. With training Jotaro could stop time forever, so he could probably go get lunch first, write a thesis on starfish, play baseball and then come back to finish the fight
However, the limit of time stop is only 5 seconds for a human being simply due to stamina/exhaustion. Stand Energy, so to speak, I guess? But it might not be the limit for people with Joestar Genes, who, has a lot of potential in their body due to their genes. Maybe if Jotaro trained his body into an athlete-like body, it would give an extra second... However, Hamon is the best option... But, oh well.
@@justabulletjustaboxofammo3817 uhhhhh Stand abilities aren't based on physical abbilities. You need practice to use your abilities so theoretically he could stop time forever as DIO said with enough practice his time stop time would be bigger and bigger each time "a minute an hour" So basiacly with enough practice jotaro could slam all of la squadra ezpz
@@boptodatop No, in part 6,it was stated that 5 seconds was the absolute limit for human beings. (Not limited to Hamon users, obviously. They would have a lot of stamina and sturdy physique.) DIO is a vampire, and assimilating himself more to Jonathan's body lifted off some of the restrictions on his body, too. Which allowed his time stop to increase even further than 5 seconds due to his stamina/not needing to take more break.
I heavily disagree with this video as most of la squadra are too slow or too weak to harm the crusaders. White album only caught up to a car while star platinum and silver chariot are beyond light speed. White album got penetrated by bullets a bit so star platinum’s punches would break the ice. The others can’t do much else from here
I 100% agree that the crusaders win but no way jotaro beats wa. Sp would just freeze on contact, and would be slowed because of gently weeps. The only thing jotaro can do is ts and lunch but I doubt it would break the armor
@@bonnyas9998 GE and star platinum both have a in power and speed. I know that SP is the ultimate stand until part 6 (if i remember correctly) but seeing how ge didn't leave a dent in the armor and had to pierce it, SP would have trouble breaking it before WA reacts. With time stop maybe but i doubt it.
Honestly, star platinum can take them all on, when he stops time it stops time in which the ability's move and making him move at light speed, He also shattered dios skull so one punch from star platinum would be enough to kill every single guy here, he also has star finger which literally slices like a blade. Also against illuso even if his stand is outside the mirror couldn't he still stop time then beat the living hell out of illuso himself?
Your stands ability doesn’t take effect in the mirror world if it’s not brought in. That’s why purple hazes virus wasn’t inside of it, but once giorno was brought in with the virus in him it was able to effect him.
@@Therat921 idk, star platinum can stop time and that should also stop time in the mirror realm. fugo was still able to use purple haze's stand ability but not inside the mirror realm until giorno caught the virus, so technically since jotaro can move in stopped time it should work if star platinum stops time
@@Therat921 The thing is PHs virus is an actual physical object made by the stand while the time stop is a concept that universally applies to all time in the whole existence that can experience time so as long as time passes in Illuso's mirror world The World should stop the time there too.
I don’t think Man in the Mirror would kill any of the Crusaders, they’re all fucking shredded combat experts from boxers to hamon users to Monks and swordsmen, I don’t think he’d be that effective
Illuso is a literal assassin who has years of expertise in hand to hand combat because he knows his stand's weakness and had a lot of time to practice unlike the Crusaders who always relied on their stand's ability. Also he's fucking jacked
@@moderncrusader1150 "always relied on their stand's ability" Jotaro who got it like a week before part 3 started: huh Joseph who got a shitty stand: huh
Honestly Jotaro beats anyone 1v1, but a bloodlusted Risotto, who maybe can kill him before Jotaro can do anything. Risotto is by far the most dangerous enemy here, but even he can be countered by Avdol's cross or even Hermits Purple, that can pinpoint his location. Also Jotaro hard counters the mirror world, because he can still stop time and beat the the living shit out of him with his bare fists. Not to mention Joseph, who can still use Hamon. In a 1v1 Jotaro carries many fights, while in a Battle Royale of 6v6, Jotaro is again just extremely unfair to fight against. With Hermit Purple's and Avdol's cross, they can also easily locate enemies and crush them with Star Platinum, who easily washes everyone in a close quarter fight. White Album maybe puts up a good fight against Jotaro, but is still countered by Avdol and Kakyoin's range. Stardust Crusaders are favoured in my opinion. The only way the assassins win, is by targeting Jotaro first and get the jump on him with Metallica.
These bums together struggle so hard and lose limbs against a single Dio subordinate but yeah, they’d low diff the entire La Squadra working together bud. Sure. Jojo fans are even worse powerscalers than One Piece fans 🤣. There’s a reason why Araki always makes sure the protagonist group only ever fights 1-2 stand users at a time.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 What are you trying to say bud ? Your only "argument" is nonsense. DIO's agents never actually tried 1 vs 6 the Crusaders in a fair environment. There was always some trickery or an ambush. Also Dio had some seriously strong stands under his wing, like Vanilla Ice and Justice, who are way more deadly to the Crusaders, than most stands of the La Squadra can put up against the Crusaders. Only Risottos stand can be considered extremely strong, which is not enough. In a 6vs6 the Crusaders seriously just roll over the Squadra. It's not even debatable. Their overall stand quality is much higher and they also have Jotaro, who could hypothetically 1 vs 6, if the whole Squadra would stand before him.
A few things I noticed in the analysis is that white album and greatful dead aren’t great for fighting enemies at the same time, while white album is freezing the air greatful dead can’t age the enemy. Not to mention while man in the mirror can trap you in the mirror world, it’s got a crappy user who feels the need to hinder himself to his opponents level and we know the stardust crusaders can take waaaaay more punishment. One final but minor point is that avdol and iggy both have ways of finding risotto with both smell and the heart beat director thing. As a team stardust don’t inherently counter each other’s abilities while greatful dead and while album can’t work together if they’re fighting an enemy close up.
If you think about it la squadra wins this matchup in a landslide, just because of man in the mirror. Illuso can actually chose to bring stands into the mirror world as well. he could just bring in the crusaders as well as la squadra but also bring in all of la squadra’s stands. This basically means that the crusaders have to fight standless. Any of la squadra’s members could take out all of the crusaders if they were standless so it’s basically a free win. Even if jotaro could stop time in the mirror world, he wouldn’t be able to kill all of the members of la squdra before his time stop ran out so they stand no chance (and that’s assuming he could even get up to giaccho without freezing to death).
Is this a battle royal? Or we switching the match ups with Golden Wind Crew? Because the second one is just kinda a lot of assumptions no one in La squadra can solo the SDC and no one aside from Time Stop Jotaro can solo La Squadra. It all depends on match ups
@@sseempire8705 He might have some trouble with Illuso but Foo Fighters is the hard counter considering that the mirror dimension wouldn't be able to separate her from her powers
as far as I remember, the only 2 people that actually deflected the emerald splash were Dio and Jotaro, and they could both stop time. the only reason Jotaro could stop it is because he stopped time but didn't realise it at the time. I think that Kakyoin could take on pretty much everyone in la squadra
Tower of Gray could dodge the Emerald Splash. He was still trapped in one area, but that’s because the user of Tower of Gray didn’t realize Kakyoin was boxing in Tower of Gray.
Half of what you said is head canon so you shouldn't use that as evidence. Also DIO didn't stop time to deflect it, he just used his cuffs to (though it should be pointed out DIO was still caught by several of them, and he is a Vampire and thus dozens of times stronger and faster than humans). Actually now that I think about it DIO solos La Squadra with mid-low diff
You underestimate Joseph's ability to pinpoint locations. His stand is weak and incompatible for fights, but he has the highest chance of beating Risotto in a fight as he can just find out his location using Hermit purple and Hamon after Jotaro and Polnareff blitzed out everyone other than him
Why do people keep complaining about “bad matchups”?! It’s a fight, you will could up against anyone because you don’t choose who you fight in this case. They just go at you.
I just realized how terrible the synergy between Grateful Dead and White Album would be. White album’s very presence would probably soft buff the stardust crusaders against Grateful Dead.
@@PirateKingRoger-x1y it will depend if prosciutto had a stand while being a kid if yes then prosciutto win if not alessi win It will really be a one sided fight
I honestly think that old man Joseph is under rated. He's by far the smartest Jojo and even with purple hermit being more of a intelligence gathering stand it can still be used in tandem with his hamon. But he's still out done by the rest of the crusaders sadly. Joseph best jojo
I just have two things I wanted to add. The biggest advantage Man in the Mirror has is that it separates you from your stand. A similar thing happened to Jotaro during the Set encounter, and he was reduced to a child, and despite that he still won. In this one you have a prime age Jotaro. Also I'm fairly certain timestop would affect the mirror world too so Jotaro would probably have advantage against man in the mirror. Secondly Silver Chariot is covered in removable armor/made of some sort of metalic substance, so I feel metalica would have an advantage against it, not the other way around. That's just my opinion though
@@METAsMETAs Pesci needs to find him and grab his heart first. Avdol can detect him due to Pesci having the coldest body heat out of anyone then smoke him immediately. Pesci is strong but only if he’s hidden and far once both of those covers are blown either by Joseph or Avdol he gets beat.
Jotaro is actually amazing against MITM because he can still fight without star platinum. He beat the shit out of alessi as a CHILD. Also joeseph, because he has hamon and while it's more effective against vampires, it's still useful. edit: So is MR because it creates and produces fire, something that isn't alive. Ergo, it appears in both the real world and the mirror world. Huzzah.
I would say, that if Ghiaccio decided to target Jotaro it would be a dead sentence for him, maybe even Silver Chariot. He's strong, but Giorno was able to be a threat just by punching him. If Star Platinum lands a hit on him is game over. EDIT: Yeah, in a all vs all, La Squadra could defeat a lot of people, even Bucciarati's gang arguably. However if the Crusaders were going through the same situations as the passione gang, I'd argue they would also pull on through.
The only stand that is gonna give the Crusaders a disadvantage is White Album because as you said yourself Hermit Purple is great for information gathering. So they would get the information that they need ice. As for Man in the Mirror don't you forget that all or almost all Crusaders are strong even without their Stands (look for example at KID Jotaro vs Alesi). In addition Avdol could just launch fire at La Squadra and make then hotter, making Greatful Dead backfire. Last but not least don't write off time-stop as that much of a push-over. If the enemy gets within some range (way more than 6 meters since within time-stop Jotaro can run to the enemy or launch himself) he is dead: time-stop and ora-ora-ora. Not even White Album can protect you from Star Platinum's punches.
It's important to note that during their fight, Risotto wasn't trying to kill Doppio, he was trying to get information on the Boss. Only at the very end, when Risotto discovers Diavolo's identity, does he actually try to kill Doppio, but when he is about to do so he gets shot by Aerosmith. Also, arguably Risotto never used his full power, since the only moment his stand aura and stand fully manifest, to kill Doppio, he gets shot. Given what we've seen from Risotto, nothing is stopping him from just creating razors inside someone's brain or heart, meaning he can probably one shot anyone.
Silver Chariot hard counters White Album with it being a piercing stand and White Albums defense more coming from bulging type of attacks like Punches. Also Jotaro can still stop time in Man in the mirror world and just beat the shit out of the user there. Grateful Fead would still be problem but one they could over come reamber no one on Burnos team had any type if way to deal with that ability either and still beat him so it's not THAT hard. Overall I'd give the edge to the crusaders mainly La Squadra goes one by one not in a ground like the Crusaders like in part 5.
To be honest, i think joseph does well against illuso, for a number of reasons. First is thst hermit purple doesnt seem like the kind of stand that can be separated from the user, as it comes from them specifically. Its a stand generated from hamon. But even if it could be seperated, joseph's hamon would be a massive advantage to use as a weapon against illuso, since it gives him further range and speed without a stand. Therefore, joseph would probably body illuso. Edit: also someone else pointed out that his hamon would be good against white album by conducting hamon through the ice. Really none of the other members besides magicians red could attack into him, but using magicians red is too risky due to grateful dead. Basically, dont underestimate hamon+hermit
I think it really depends on the context of the environment. If we’re talking an open field for a flat out brawl, then the Crusaders likely have the upper hand and would win. If both groups were dropped at opposite ends of a city and were both told “there’s six stand users, go kill em” with no other information, then it might be a bit more even.
That's actually a good point. Joseph, while having a terrible stand, CAN use hamon to do some pretty impressive things, even with his little training and old age. I imagine he'd actually be able to heal wounds (i mean, how were the stardust crusaders able to recover from injuries so quickly) and could also use it to use risotto's stand against him and possibly destroy some of white album's ice.
Can Hamon's ability to slow down the Aging Process (as seen with Lisa Lisa) counteract The Grateful Dead? If so, that would mean, surprisingly enough, the Oldest Member of the Stardust Crusaders has the best match up against the Aging Stand?
I'm going to point out that METAs here completely forgot about Silver Chariot taking it's armor off AND LITERALLY CREATING AFTERIMAGES DUE TO IT'S SPEED. pretty sure that's way too fast.
1. White album loses to avdol. 2. Metallica would probably legitimately lose to star platinum with time stop. If you think about it Star Platinum can see things precisely, he would notice him move, freeze time, Ora rush bada bing bad boom. You also heavily underestimate Joseph's hermit purple, despite him bring elderly he still has clairvoyance and can literally find an opponent from anywhere on the battlefield which would make the fight against pesci and prosciutto. Not only that but Joseph may be an MVP in a fight against prosciutto because of Hamon, it slows aging so if he did Hamon breathing while under the effects of the stand it would counter the aging to an extent allowing him to hunt him down and take him out. Give Joseph a bit more credit, hermit purple plus hamon is not something to be laughed at.
I wanna say that Star platinum can increase his range with throwing something using his power and precision similarly to part 4 Jotaro did but maybe this time although his attacks won't be a total kill at least he could deal with the Grateful dead I mean he threw Iggy at N'doul during the fight and he threw Iggy from far away For man in the mirror is very situational because since you have Joseph he would be able to warn the others to not get close to a mirror
You can clearly see with this match up the evolution the stands had over the years, it's nice to go from simple and basic stands to the more complex ones that use strategies as well as their powers
I think you’re underestimating Joseph. Bc of Joseph’s Hamon, Joseph could probably just straight up beat the fuck out of illuso. And he’d be PERFECT against Grateful Dead. Greatful dead’s ability takes a bit of time to fully kill the person and being able to discover his location immediately would end the fight fairly quickly with kakyoins 50m radius plus The probably infinite distance emerald splash. And with the Metallica fight, he could just do the same thing that doppio did but with a video camera instead of hair Against the ice dude, I’m pretty sure hamon can melt the ice. It’s the POWER OF THE SUN. And Kars’ 10x powered hamon turned Joseph’s knee into liquid. At the very least it would weaken the ice a good bit. And this is just head canon, but there’s a possibility that Joseph can run hamon up the fishing wire directly into peeches body.
Big note that white album actually would have negative synergy with the grateful dead since his ice could actually negate it's effect also Joseph can likely use Hamon in the mirror realm meaning he actually might have a chance of catching him off gaurd with a non stand related ability potentially winning that fight range is strong but star platinum the world is being used here and all the ranged abilities likely can't catch Jotaro with time stop it would likely be a bloodbath of a fight where perhaps only one or two of either side remain standing I feel it's a bit of an exaggeration to call it a wash tbh
Also, Jotaro could easily clap Man In The Mirror, because he's no slouch, dude was beating people up badly before getting Star Platinum. Jotaro is still a really good boxer without SP, he could take Man In The Mirror on, it's gimmick is it takes away stands, its at most slightly stronger then the average joe, and Jotaro claps average joes.
Man in the mirror can easily kill jotaro”- my friend Jotaro who beat somebody that is litterally an adult when he was a fucking child: *y o a n g e l o*
ok this is very late, but I feel like The Grateful Death is more of a hindrance than a helpful teammate. Yes, it ages depending on heat with a large range, but it does so indiscriminately, meaning La Squadra would also be affected by it. But you're probably wondering, "wouldn't White Album be a walking counter because it produces cold?", probably, but While Album now has to gauge how much cold it should distribute, limiting the thinking of both of their stand users, essentially making them clash more than they work in unison. If one were to be taken out, the other would develop into a hindrance, The Grateful Dead more than White Album due to mobility. However, White Album's ability is in need of context. Yes, it can freeze virtually anything, but it's not an instant freeze, especially against enemy stands. Gold Experience managed to land a flurry of punches before getting its hands frozen, implying the freezing effect takes time on stands. And as impressive as enduring Gold Experience's punches is, Star Platinum's power absolutely dwarfs Gold Experience. Not saying Star Platinum would obliterate White Album, but Gold Experience's punches left a temporary crack, you should know what I'm implying right now. Now I'm not saying this changes the entire fight, I'm just saying it's needed context to clear any confusion. I agree with the result overall and it wasn't at all a bad video. Anyway, ever been on a rant?
Overall if MR or SP get downed it’s basically over also I forgot to mention this the minute you are punching white album your hands will freeze and slowly break off basically meaning you can’t fight anymore
I think you're underestimating SC's speed. As seen from the Hanged Man fight, SC is capable of near, if not full light speed. If Polnareff found his breathing hole, it would be over for him due to the precision he could produce to target it.
@@Moots4Joots yeah but the thing is tho Half of the team is long range so they can do some damage
You can't frezee when time already stopped he can use road roller like dio if he want
@@fluxthemagician7928 true
Kak is slept on as the emerald splash is not nearly as weak as you say you show it getting deflected but you have remember the only to deflect is Star platinum and Dio , SP is arguable one of the strongest stand physically and Dio is a vampire and it has been shown that vampire have some extremely strength a seen when Dio first becomes a vampire. And when it comes to its accuracy it only struggled against tower of grey which a small target moving at extreme speeds so not just anyone can dodge it.You also dont mention that his stand can morph its body can still do a decent amount of damage.With the 20 meter emerald splash only white album can do anything about it but if Abdul messes with white album they are pretty screwed.So Kak is pretty strong is being slept on hard.
I can just imagine Polnareff screaming at Kakyoin about “I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WASN’T A MIRROR WORLD!?” during the man in the mirror fight.
I'M WEAK
LOL
“Um… I… don’t know…”
Kakyoin would be both impressed and suprissed
The thing is that Johnathan or Joseph (I don't remember the old man's name in stardust crusaders) is actually Illuso's greatest foe inside/outside of the mirror world because he is very experienced in hamon and that's something Illuso can't stop from working in the mirror world so Illuso has a disadvantage when facing the old man.
Illuso's best matchup is kakyoin. "There's no such thing as a mirror world."
His stand just, stops working. It’s unable to even be summoned, Illuso is left defenseless, and Kakyoin has the ultimate upper hand.
Polnareff vs illuso
Illuso wins due to polnareff dying from a flashback of hanged man
@@sturmgeschutzivsturmkanone1919 no, polnareff gets hanged man flashbacks and beats the shit out of illuso
Illuso; ah joseph joestar, you're trapped now i'm beating the shit out of you old man
Joseph: caesar drop the beat
Illuso: what
"Overdrive song starts"
Joseph: i crushed an aztec god into a vulcano with a nazi cyborg;
CRAKER VOLLEY ( we know that joseph has the power to summon cracker volley wherever he is)
Proceds at beating the shit out of illuso, meanwhile remembering the good time with caesar and killing aztec super vampire god of fitness
@@fabioviti7384 Caesar's a great bff, He even played some beats while he was dead 😌
Now that I think about it, Jotaro would be a good match up against man in the mirror.
If you are in the mirror world, stands can still be controlled, as seen with purple haze. So theoretically, Jotaro could stop time while in the mirror. And since time stop affects the entire universe where time exists, Jotaro could just punch man in the mirror's user to death with his fists, which is entirely possible as CHILD Jotaro was able to beat the shit out of Alessi, so 17 year old Jotaro would destroy him. Sure he would have no way out of the mirror, but if the affects of the stand go away when the user dies (meaning Jotaro exits the mirror world) then he's a pretty damn good match up.
Tl;Dr Time stop op as fuck
Its always op
is no one gonna mention the fact that almost every Crusader is physically unmatched? Outside of Iggy and maybe Kakyoin, Illuso gets beaten to death by every Crusader within the Mirror World, especially Joseph who still has his Hamon
Illuso got used as a mop by Moody Blues, plus Jotaro can just punch him while he's giving a monologue
That's a great and hilarious point. However, I think Joseph is probably the only other one who could defeat Illusory 1v1 in the mirror word. Illuso is strong there because he has a stand while his opponent does not. Mind games/ time stop will be necessary to win in that situation.
@@seaneaston1040 Joseph would win mainly because he is physically on par with a Vampire and he can also see Stands, so stat wise he would whoop Illuso's ass
Not even mentioning how Joseph outsmarted the ultimate life form who had an IQ of 400
The Grateful dead's worst matchup is Joseph because Joseph is basically immortal.
Don't forget Jotaro. He ages backwards.
@@SpamAndOreo So true lmao
@@SpamAndOreo Was legit about to say that
This explains why Suzi Q didn't kill him after discovering Josuke
It's all that Dio blood man... Either that or he used the Red Stone of Asia between Parts 3 and 4.
I know this would probably not work, but I couldn't resist making this joke:
Prosciutto: (has a Stand that rapidly ages you based on your gender and amount of body heat produced)
Avdol (has a Stand that literally controls fire and is made out of fire to an extent)
(sweats nervously in Arabic)
Mans just gonna turn into dust in a span of 3 seconds
How about the guy who freezes everything with the stand that doesn't work in the cold. :/
jotaro could counter that because he ages backwards
@@timber9468 Joseph could counter cause age can't kill him.
Avdol could heat up other La Squadra and force Prosciutto to turn his stand off in order to not neutralise his comrades.
Illuso’s counter is iggy- he can make sand doubles & can be hard to see (it’s a dog)
Also, if magician’s red hits white album with a powerful enough fire blast it will detonate. Since the suit is made from frozen air (correct me if I’m wrong) putting heat it it would cause rapid air expansion
Yes
@Yung Katt no cause White album and the grateful dead can cover big groups look at there fights
@Yung Katt but that’s in the best case scenario
@@METAsMETAs So the battle would be very environmentally based. If it was in the deep woods illuso would have less options (other than people's eyes and dew and stuff), and wind could affect the grateful dead. If it was in a city, that changes the strategy as well. I think the great thing about stand battels is how the strategy changes so much based on the environment.
Funny thing is, White Album actually gets hard-countered by Joseph. Hear me out:
Unless I’m mistaken, the armor of White Album is actually made of the ice it summons, right? In that case, while it’s incredibly powerful defensively, it offers absolutely zero protection from Hamon, which ice conducts fairly well. All Joseph needs to do is land one solid charge of Hamon, and Screamy Boi is out cold, pun intended.
Now, you might be thinking, “Yeah, but Joseph wouldn’t even get the chance. If he gets frozen before hand, he won’t be able to conduct his Hamon properly.” A fair point, however, this is where Hermit Purple actually becomes really useful. Not only does it give Joseph way more range, but it also prevents Joseph from getting Part 1 Dio’ed. Hermit Purple’s Hamon conduction, unlike Joseph’s limbs, doesn’t rely on blood flow. They won’t be able to move if frozen, sure, but they should in theory still be able to conduct Hamon just fine.
And this isn’t even counting Joseph’s biggest advantage: Angry Frosty the Snowman’s range. The amount of ice White Album generates actually works against him in this case, because it means that Joseph doesn’t even have to target him directly. If Joseph hits ANY ice that White Album is touching, the ice will conduct the Hamon all the way back to him and *boom,* Joseph wins by knockout (or like, heart attack or something, idk). This is all of course assuming that Joseph will be in a position to do all of this before getting frozen (i.e. he isn’t the first one to be attacked, ‘cause if he is his odds of being able to do all of this go down dramatically) and assuming he can still generate that strong of a Hamon blast in his older age, but under those assumptions, Joseph could potentially solo this fight without much issue.
Or I might just be an idiot, idk.
A better question: how quickly could a team of Joseph(part 3), Jotaro, Josuke, and Giorno speed run part 5
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@@METAsMETAs imagine Giorno spam healing Josuke while Josuke heals giorno for literal immortality
@@Aeternus75 double healer meta
They could beat Pucci whit made in heaven
Or maybe not
Za warudo because you can survive a few knives and have crazy diamond or gold experience healing get you back.
I think there’s a few situations where Joseph is a bad matchup, given hamon. He can essentially counter fish beach boy if needed and Joseph can actually just beat the shit out of illusio
Honestly most of the crusaders could just beat illusio up inside the mirror world
@@raym.7271 that’s what I’m sayin
@@Spitinmyfacemylove it seems like u guys forgot that Illuso can fight with his Stand inside the mirror world.
@@tmtorsmth the stand is not very strong tbh
@@redman9301 Man In The Mirror is human power level
Strong or not, Crusaders can't fight back with their stands
Illuso can just keep distance with HIS Stand so Joseph, Avdol or Jotaro will not come closer
Star Platinun and Magician's Red kinda carry the Crusaders
You have no idea
And silver chariot kinda. Not in this fight tho.
@@DerpyPotato-cf8qh dont forget Hierophant Green, no one can deflect the emerald splash
@@user-gp2vc1ii4p Yeah your right, dude if he used hyrophant green emerald splash on every single member for the squad, he would carry.
Derpy Potato2777 white album can deflect it
I feel like there's smtg missing that really changes the outcome of the fight, if this is a battle royale and its 6v6 then the crusaders have a massive advantage. Illuso and Ghiaccio hinder their team for obvious reasons while The Crusaders constantly work together to fight off stands that they don't know the abilites too. Not to mention Illuso needs a set up for his stand ability too.
Yeah fr
Illuso's man in the mirror can be setup by white album ice. So that's 1 less problem
@@PJBloop sorry man but illuso stand only works on mirrors specifically unlike hanged man. and ice is not the same as a mirror but is just a reflecting surface made of ice and not glass. so illuso is kinda useless. also time stop goes brr.
Plus because Greatful Dead can affect the teammates. If Avdol can figure it out, he could use Magician's Red to heat up the enemies.
@@nicolasleal5644 huh, do you think illuso just go into battle without a mirror
I feel like a lot of these match ups forget that everyone in star dust crusaders are physically stronger then la squadra. Jotaro, polnareff, and Joseph would probably be able to beat man in the mirror without a stand.
They’d beat something they can’t touch. Interestingz
Also them being physically stronger isn’t true. That just the animation style.
La squadra are trained assassins while most of the crusaders are pretty new to combat. The only one who id say is stronger than is Joseph but he arguably has the most useless stand in this entire match up.
@@normalguy5157 a 4 year old Jotaro beat the living shit out of Alessia, a full grown buff man. If that doesn't show his physical superiority then idfk what does.
@@tagsan3834 Alesia had only preyed on kids. A Pomeranian can kill a squirrel but that doesn’t mean it can kill A pitbull.
Question- could Joseph charge Beach Boy’s line with Hamon, the same way he does to Hermit Purple, and therefore damaging Peschi? Because he’s absolutely smart enough to think of doing it, and in fact I think you’ve underestimated how smart Joseph is as a tactician. Plus, it’s confirmed by Araki that his “Your next line is” thing was Hermit Purple allowing him to see the future for a moment, which if he ever stopped using it to dick around, could be absolutely huge in a fight, at the very least keeping him alive long enough to pull a counter to one of La Squadra’s members out of his ass
It probably would just reflect back to Joseph, since using hamon is practically an attack
From what I can remember, you can't be damaged by your own Hamon. It probably would be deflected but it wouldn't really damage Joseph.
@@rhinestone644 You are correct, when joseph used hamon on Empress it didn't work because the stand had grow on him and that classified it as his own body.
He does use it as a fighting tactic funny enough, its explicitly a thing done to throw the opponent off mentally. But yeah, him conducting Hamon through Beach Boy came to my mind as well, and it can be used to harm or affect other ppl and the man LOVES putting that stuff in wires after all lol
Stardust Crusaders win, La Squadra can't deflect the Emerald Splash
Wait... technically yeah
Diego i will give you manhattan island if you give me the corpse parts
Lmao. So yeah-
Understandable
ghiaccio:
White album cant hurt kakyoin because his theme is some HEAT
Bruh kakyoin's theme is amazing for real though
So much heat that when he fights Grateful Dead he instantly dies 💀💀
*Polnareff gets the requiem arrow*
Polnareff: its free real estate
Jotaro: yare yare daze..
So it's the same type of stand as star platinum
Oh no
@@Solarballs77 STAR PLATINUM ZA WARUDO REQUIEMU!
@@iaminsideyourwall5243 more like "yare yare daze... Star Platinum Za Universe"
that's part 5 polnareff
Magician’s Red could make the Grateful Dead kill all of its teammates by heating up the area. No way they don’t figure that out considering he’s probably fighting alongside Ghiaccio in a team fight. Since they’d definitely use his ice.
True… but couldn’t Ghiaaccio make ice to reverse the effects on his teammates?
MR would be a suicide heater.
@@inverse1382 if it depends on if the fire is hotter than the ice
@@user-wy5rs2zj6u I’m not quiet sure what you mean by that.
@@inverse1382 depends on how fast Abdul’s fire can burn ghiaccio’s ice faster than he can form it and also evaporate it quickly before it can have a cooling effect
I think you forget that Jotaro is also an excellent hand to hand fighter in his own right and if he’s sealed away from Star platinum he can likely still take illuso.
But wouldn’t Illuso still have his own Stand? Don’t get me wrong, I feel like Jotaro would win in a fist fight with Illuso, but it’s not like Jotaro can harm Man in the Mirror (And, as a result, Illuso) without Star Platinum.
Exactly don't forget man in the mirrors shitty strength
@@inverse1382 Time stop would most likely still affect the mirror world, so he wouldn't need to do deal with the stand and rather just beat the shit of out of illuso.
He can't fight a Stand with his bare hands. That's Stands 101.
@@demi-femme4821 he dosent have to if the user is weak
Even without his stand, Jotaro would destroy Illuso. It is said in his part 3 character page that he is a skilled boxer. On another note, I think a series of videos like this where one part’s protagonist team faces off with another part’s antagonist team could be very interesting.
Lmaoo true, he even beats and adult as a kid
Yeah jotaro completely no diffs illuso. He is physically able to keep up with star platinum to atleast some degree. He's way to fast and strong
@@danielsniff6405 I wouldn't say keep up with SP, but I'm pretty sure a kid shouldn't be able to deal as much damage as fast as Jotaro did when he was turned into one, so I'm pretty sure 17 Year Old Joots could beat the shit out of any La Squadra member in a standless 1v1
Oh really? That's quite interesting..
Illuso could always just bring a gun.
Avdol makes Grateful Dead unusable as a team stand. In fact they might even turn on him if he refuses to withdrawal his stand because Avdol would melt and any ice they could bring as well as speed up the aging to likely instant death.
Yeah but they would die too, and since processing isn’t affected by it la squadra would win
“Ghiaccio kill that motherfuckher”
@@dandydanthedapperman7797 well Prosciutto isn’t fireproof now is he?
Also I don’t think grateful dead will enjoy trying to combat a mid range fire shooting stand like magicians red
That's a great point actually, Avdol would definitely have the balls to suicide bomb like that too, we've seen how he acts with cream
Ghiaccio could just counter that
Jotaro: so it’s all the same type of stand as star platinium.
Squadra: OH SHI-
A thing that i feel that you are overlooking is that almost no one here has decent physical power.sure,their powers are amazing and have a lot of uses,but none,NONE of them seem to come even close to silver chariot and star platinum,so if they can manage to get into range it's a pretty big death sentence
I mean Metallica has a range of 10 meters so Risotto could get close enough to activate his ability,but not close enough to be in the danger zone of SP and SC
@@kuma6572 Granted, we've seen SC and SP throw/shoot objects to attack targets far out of their range, and knowing SP's crazy level of eyesight, chances are that Risotto going invisible and SP/Jotaro noticing dirt moving or imprints being left on objects are pretty high.
Let's be real sc could just speed blitz all of them in a 1v1 and 6v6 setting non of them can react to him
Yeah, La Squadra despite their unique powers, severely lacks in raw absolute power, with only White Album being their main frontline assault, everyone else are literally just Asassins, they need stealth and surprise to get the most out of their abilities, but in this scenario, the Crusaders have the advantage of being able to take La Squadra straight on, and even if they did tried to hide. hey have Hermit Purple with it's telepathic info gathering, Magician's Red's life tracker, and Iggy's dog sense
I feel Hermit Purple deserves more respect since while it isn't as strong it makes up for in how Joseph utilizes it like in tracking down other stand users or making a map of an entire town using ash from urns even being able to take information from others minds. It is for those feats i will always respect Hermit Purple ^^
Same
yes
Honestly it may not be the best of battle stands, but against La Squadra Hermit purple could and would be a monstrous support in favor of the crusaders, it’s biggest helps could be against the great full death, beach boy, metalica and little feet. Information is key in a fight, and I honestly believe that this would be more akin to a game of chess than an actual all out brawl, being able to track opponents, track useful items and even using hermit purple as a rope to get his teammates out of the way or even pulling enemies and objects towards him is incredibly useful, not powerful, but useful in a team fight
@G.V Animations best support standu. It grants scrying plus a team wide (mostly) immunity to Undead Magic. OP Defensive Stand! There's a reason RHCP want Joeseph out of the picture!
Grateful dead still hard counters Joseph, I think Young Joseph clears greatful dead but the one in part 3 is too damn old
I think Joseph might be a good counter for Risotto, ironically enough. Hes fought magnetism and he can also kinda predict the future lol
That doesn’t exactly save him from his body being filled with blades and other metal objects. Risotto’s ability works differently from the girl in part 3.
@@Fishofmanyhonor it didnt save doppio from that either, and he had to rely on risotto getting close. Joseph has range and hamon (potential to slow blood loss from blades, etc)
@@edmonddantes2745 Also, metal conducts Hamon.
@@A-1412 wtf is conducting hamon though a knife in your head gonna do?
@@Seinsmelled You assume that a knife through the head can kill Joseph Joestar? The same guy who defeated 3 Aztec fitness gods and the Ultimate Life Form through the use of his intelligence and skills? The same guy who survived the volcanic eruption that was strong enough to launch said Ultimate Life Form into space? The same guy who attended his own funeral? Also, Risotto would think that Joseph only has Hermit Purple since he doesn't know about Hamon. How would Risotto even counter the Joestar Secret Technique?
I can’t give the win to La Squadra here because there’s so many abilities/strategies used by the Crusaders that weren’t mentioned at all, not to mention all the work-arounds there are for all La Squadra’s stands:
For example, Avdol, Iggy, and Kakyoin can all counter stealth with their life seeking fire, sense of smell, and 20m barrier respectively. So if we’re giving La Squadra home field advantage and keeping all the fight locations the same, there’s no way Risotto, Pesci, Prosciutto, or Formaggio can hide from them.
Next, there’s ways around Beach Boy and Grateful Dead (I’m considering this fight with the both of them together) Since GD’s ability affects friend and foe, Avdol can use remote fire attacks (his precision is so tuned that he can control his fire even when it’s underground which would make Pesci age much quicker. The Fool is able to shape shift to the point of making body doubles of people(which could also be used against Illuso). HG can do the same and even attack with its tendrils from multiple angles as seen in the Tower of Grey fight. Star Platinum can stop time and throw projectiles as well as phase inside of his own body to protect against BB. As shown in the fight, direct attacks will rebound against the attacker, but simply attempting to halt its progress/pull it out don’t . And there’s no evidence that SP couldn’t take the line out as the only time it was tried, is was by the physically weakest stand of Passione. Making these fights specifically 1 on 1 slants it even further in the Crusader’s favor.
As for Illuso, as we saw with Giorno’s brick strategy, animated objects still affect the mirror world, the living part just isn’t visible or tangible there, so there’s an argument for Iggy being able to completely negg MitM (this is theoretical however). And if Jotaro got stuck in the mirror world, not only can he still affect the fight with SP from the outside, but he would definitely be able to survive Illuso’s attacks long enough to form a counter strategy-
Bro instead of texting me a paragraph on the UA-cam common section you should go write your English essay or join my discord either one works
Onto Ghiaccio: Avdol is a hard counter plain and simple. He’s got way more range and doesn’t ever worrying about running out of energy to maintain his attacks. Kakyion could potentially just send HG inside of WA’s air hole to attack him from the inside as we’ve seen him do similar things in the Death 13 and Lovers fights but I’m not gonna act like that’s not a less likely win in general. There’s no doubt in my mind that Polnareff couldn’t take the win here either: entirely capable of blitzing Ghiaccio, unless the armor is broken direct damage doesn’t translate over to him, and there’s nothing showing that(correct me if I’m wrong), SC can’t cut through WA’s ice armor. When it comes to Jotaro, we have to recognize that SP is physically leagues above any of Passione’s stands especially if we scale them throughout the series, so the fact that GE could crack the armor means that there little stopping Jotaro from completely busting it or using Star finger to pierce it. Time stop would also be a great asset for buying time for a finisher.
On Risotto, again, MR, TF, and HG can counter Metallica’s invisibility and have great counterattack options. Also, if Doppio is anything to go by, there’s no way Risotto could kill Jotaro before he turns the tables considering a nerfed KC could flick scissors hard enough to cut his foot off
@@METAsMETAs I just had to make sure I got all my thoughts out before I forgot them as I’m prone to do these days
@@thatguy779 Since there's a breathing hole at the back of WA's neck, couldn't Silver Chariot just go behind him and stab that hole since SW is using a weapon so the freezing effect from touching WA wouldn't work on the rapier. And if you think about it, Jotaro could just freeze time to messed with WA since everything was stop in time and the freezing effect wouldn't work, he could just break WA neck by punching it.
@@uminorachel4631 yeah, come to think of it, SP very like could’ve ended that whole fight in the first 30 sec
Doesn't Avdol reveal a life detecting ability with Magicians Red before his death which he uses to find and kill the user of Tenor Sax? Couldn't the same ability be used to find Rissoto?
Yeah, it could detect his body heat and try to kill him. Based on Rissoto’s personality though, he’ll either escape with the info of his powers and ask someone else to defeat him, or just cut his leg off and trick the meter.
Yeah, but that’s assuming that Avdol has time to stop fighting to try and find Risotto to begin with.
Coudn't either Star Platinum spot and Iggy smell Rissoto?
@@desadograisedrobot515 Probably, but it could be difficult in the heat of combat, especially if they have to worry about getting hooked, frozen, or aged to dust.
@@desadograisedrobot515 well idk about Star Platinum but Iggy could track Rissoto down using smell yeah
Why are Ghiaccio and Prosciutto not going everywhere together. Literally the only thing that negates Grateful Dead is cold so they could literally have the only method of avoiding the affect
That would be nice but that then concentrates the people together, when La Squadra work better in separated groups than as one entire unit. Certainly they have White Album and Beach Boy as great defense (as well as Illuso just grabbing random people) but Star Platinum could punch them for a few seconds, get out of The Grateful Dead’s range or stay within White Album’s range. Magician’s Red could also contest White Album so the protective effect would not be that great.
It’s a useful strategy, but it’s rather gimmicky and still countered by Avdol.
@@iantaakalla8180 wouldn’t even need Abdul bc sp can just barrage throw rocks and beat everyone plus he can timestop if anything bad happens for ice man if he somehow impossibly dodge the rocks of sp he can just timestop and punch him up bc temp don’t work when there literally no time for it to affect
Joseph is being massively underrated, throughout part 3 he was definitely weaker compared to the enemy but just through the clever use of his stand he was able to hold his own plenty well and came up with some big brain stuff.
With that being said, yeah no hes still the weakest member of the crusader but in a team scenario he can supply plenty of good support
With Illuso, I think Joseph wins if he’s still able to use his Hamon to his fullest extent, as he can see Man in the Mirror
Imagine Joseph just going off using something og like sunlight yellow or just using clacker Hamon valley
I'd really like the see that. Joseph vs Illuso. Illuso brings Joseph into the mirror and thinks he has the upper hand, but then Joseph begins using his hamon. I'd also like to see joseph troll illuso with his cleverness.
Hermit Purple must look weird outside of the mirror world
@@Aeternus75 said
@@didacosred9427 hermit purple would likely be in the mirror world still because it is just a visual representation of hamon as a stand.
Formaggio vs star platnuim would then equal small platnuim
Yeah but then jotaro wouldn’t hold back and it’d be like nothing changed (jotaro holds back against everyone EXCEPT when he fought DIO)
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I don’t know, I would say the crusaders will take the win on this one.
Formaggio: With maybe the exception of Joseph, I would say he has a low chance of winning any fights. All of the stardust crusaders stands are ridiculously powerful with incredible destructive power, Formaggio really stands no chance against any of them.
Prosciutto: He should have no problem with most members apart from Joseph. Joseph’s stand can help him locate Prosciutto and Hamon might be able to help him reduce the effects of Grateful Death.
Pesci: His stand can be beaten by Jotaro’s time stop and Kakyoin’s, Avdol’s range attacks, Iggy might be able to take a win on this one if he can take Pesci by surprise .
Ghiaccio: Avdol is a hard counter to Ghiaccio, so there’s that. Kakyoin might be able to hit him with emerald splash but unlikely, Jtaro can stop time and beat the crap out of Ghiaccio without beng frozen, Joseph can use hamon through Hermit Purple to attack from a distance, the rest is screwed.
Illuso: Part from the Joestars, he shouldn’t have too much trouble. Jotaro however was beating people barehanded on a daily and even when he was a child he still won a fist fight. Don’t need to say much about Joseph, he would whoop Illuso’s ass.
Risotto: Kakyoin and Iggy might be able to win, the rest not really. Jotaro is a bit 50/50 because of Star Platinum incredible sights and reflexes.
If the fights plays out like an all v all, the chance is about 50/50, if La Squarda did like in the anime, they’re kinda screwed. Environment is also very important in this fights. Depending on the situation the outcome may change drastically from our predictions.
I would say Pesci has a great matchup against every Crusader except for Kakyoin. Jotaro shown in part 4 against the rat struggles hard against strong long range abilities. Time stop in that situation wouldn’t really be useful except avoiding attacks. But once Peschi got him there’s no getting the hook out your just dead. And that is the same case with the other short range stand users on the Crusaders.
The Grateful Dead is easily the biggest treat IMO since in the beginning of the fight Narancia, Giorno, and Abbachio were completely unable to fight in a couple of seconds exposed to Grateful Dead’s ability. Like they were sitting doing nothing and they were to old to fight before they even realized they were under attack. And the Crusaders don’t have abilities to counter it. In fact Avdol’s ability would make it more effective. With Grateful Dead’s range and the speed of the ability at best case scenario can beat all the Crusaders at once.
@@godusopp2452 I’m pretty sure jotaro could had easily token out the rat he was just teaching josuke at the moment to fend for himself
@@godusopp2452 Stand Jumping exists. Also, Jotaro was being a mentor to Josuke, and was basically baiting himself, and waiting for Josuke to do the job. With all of the feats from part 3 coupled with his experience up to part 4. That Rat wouldn't even stand a chance, tbh. Forget about getting a hit on Jotaro, it wouldn't even succeed. Not to mention, Star Platinum's eye sight. So, its safe to say, that Jotaro was giving all of the job to finish the rat off, to Josuke. Jotaro can also throw projectiles, easily enough. (Flicking Pebbles, or punching through the concrete/ground, and digging some piles of concrete/ground up, and throwing it at any of them in sight. Five seconds of time is more than enough. He could let either SP carry him, and run to Pesci, or stand jump to where he is. Star Platinum was also able to phase through bodies/objects. So it would be useful against Risotto, by taking the knives out of his body carefully. With SP precision and eye sight, it would be cake walk. Time Stop would help him in taking the knives out, or crushing them into nothing. With SP's strength... no problem.
There are so much more..
Yeah I’m pretty sure Pesci isn’t gonna stay out in the open, and if he does, he’s going to aim his hook straight to the heart such as his fight with Bruno. If we are using everyone’s strongest form, Pesci should be bloodlusted. Reason why he wouldn’t stand out in the open is the same reason why Illusio wouldn’t walk in the real world
What about Beach Boy vs Joseph, imagine seeing an old ass man use vines to swing around and close the distance and maybe dodge beach boy lines + hamons always nice.
Remember: Hamon is a ability that can spread throughout metal and other life forces. So it might not have a range to it. And Hamon is possibly as dangerous as a stand. So it might not lose any power towards it.
Kakyoin is underrated 20 meter emerald splash is only countered White Album. They can’t really deflect it (no pun). His emerald splash was damaging DIO (the second fastest stand till part 6) he was getting overwhelmed. No La Squadra members are doing anything (White Album not included) once caught inside it.
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But wouldn't it just end up being a nuisance for the other Crusaders as well. The 20 meter emerald splash only attacks whatever happens to touch its strings, and if La Squadra is in range, it's safe to assume that so are the other Crusaders.
It wasn’t damaging DIO, not even overwhelming him, but it was giving him some trouble.
@@LegendzPlushStudios it did just a few strands of it and DIO while good in keeping up with eventually got shot in the shoulder imagine all the strings going off at once?
@@Sun-cg6lv oh yeah forgot about that part, your right, but it didn’t overwhelm him though
Overall a great video that suffers from a couple of assumptions that really skew the fight unfairly in La Squadra's favor: that MITM can lock away all Stands, and that Prosciutto is a benefit for his team. Let's start with the latter. Prosciutto's ability hits everyone--friend and foe--indiscriminately. This means LS would either need to make him an assassin-type fighter that very sparsely uses his ability to immediately defeat an opponent before being taken out himself, or they need to have Ghiaccio play support and ice people in between jabs at the Crusaders. They'd have to go with the former, mainly because the latter situation makes it a wash for the SC thanks to Magician's Red's flames and Kakyoin's intelligence. ...
... Which would leave this a 5 v 6 fight just from the conceptual point, before the fighting begins. Next, there's the issue of MITM and Hermit Purple. MITM very likely would be utterly unable to stop Joseph from bringing HP in due to Illuso failing to declare that Hamon can't be brought into the Mirror Dimension. He just wouldn't be able to know to do that, even with his research capabilities. And it's very likely he'd target Joseph, too, (or Iggy) because he looks the weakest of the SC and thus the easiest to kill inside the Mirror Dimension. Though, if he tried to bring Iggy in, there's a good chance he'd bring in The Fool instead due to its disguise capabilities. Either way, if either HP or TF make it into the Mirror Dimension, it's pretty much a wash for Illuso there and then; I dont think I need to explain why for TF, but HP is a wash due to its ability to channel Joseph's Hamon, which we've seen him use before to control people's bodies for a short amount of time (like when he crashed that plane in his childhood), makes it a formidable weapon when you consider its longer-than-average range and ability to be used like tentacles to strangle or tie someone up. It's a matter of overwhelming MITM, which is about as strong as Illuso himself or his a bit stronger. (Given it WAS able to stop a full-force Purple Haze punch by using all of its remaining strength, although barely.)
@@HalohbotTech man it’s to damn late to read essays
@@HalohbotTech OK the problem with your first argument is that white album can make ice for everybody so they don’t age Second why are you assuming that MITM is going to fight Joseph regardless of other scenarios when he could fight anybody, he took out purple haze in the manga you can assume he would rather pick off the strongest fighter not weakest
But I will agree that if he did get HP in the mirror world it will be an interesting fight BUT and this is huge Joseph is old in part 3 and you could assume that his hamon has gotten weaker so if he did have the power to control others it would be very limited or not useful
Iggy slap tho
@@METAsMETAs For all of Ghiaccio's ice, there's Magician Red's fire. He would be forced to keep making ice ad infinitum to try and keep up with MR's fire creation. And as for why he'd go for Joseph, I assumed Illuso would go for the weakest member of the group because he's a slimy coward who only attacked Fugo because he had plenty of time to research him beforehand and to set up his trap. Without either of those, Illuso's not the type to try and bring someone who he thinks can fight back into the Mirror Dimension. As for Joseph, yeah his Hamon's gotten weaker but it's not gone yet. It's a bit much to assume it'd be too weak to be useful considering DIO still respected Joseph's Hamon production enough to kill him indirectly. Thanks for the response btw.
@@HalohbotTech homie spitting facts. its just the fact that Star dust crusaders is a way more well rounded and balanced team than la squadra. and none of the SDC stands fuck eachother up.
have you ever highlighted text and pressed the back space key that is basically the hand
you ever just highlight a clip and pressed back space? Yeah that's the hand
@@EJS-jj8py You shouldn't have replied him, now all the calamities will go against you.
2:04 i can't resist now:
Formaggio: Y'know what, fuck it
*UnFires Himself*
Wouldn't Joseph win against Illuso, because he has hamon and don't need stand to use it? Would the Hermit Purple summon on Joseph because it is Hamon and connected directly to the body?
I think so.
I think Jotaro, Polnerff, and Joseph with no stands could easily beat man in the mirror due to them be strong as hell. If they team in him he would be him to a blood pulp.
How are they going to hit Man in the Mirror without Stands? I can see Joseph doing it with Hamon but the other two?
@@inverse1382 they can hit the user
@@kimotokirby1601 Man in the mirror user can keep distance, you cannot damage a stand without a stand
@@hikari9513 And he cannot damage the person if he doesn't Go melee 🤷
@@kimotokirby1601 MITM itself is enough for a normal person, it can attack jotaro/polnareff, but they cant fight back since you cant damage a stand, MITM just need to keep distance
Bro you literally said you would take note of the characters intelligence and personality. You just meajured the stands power
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Fun fact about diamonds (the empress's teeth): Diamonds are one of the hardest things known to man, but they are not actual that tough. They are actually incredibly brittle and could easily be smashed into dust by a normal person with a regular hammer.
Actually, it depends. Diamonds can be hard af or brittle af, it depends on the shape and bonds.
This. A regular man swinging a hammer can shatter a diamond.
This. A regular man swinging a hammer can shatter a diamond.
Stratedgey wise, SdC wins, because they do stuff in groups of two, where La Squadra goes out mostly one by one
this is a team battle, all of them in one place but there will be six separate 1v1s
@@crimsonify6245 Then once again SdC has more of an advantage.
@@crimsonify6245
This isn’t just about like a game it’s what would happen irl, SdC would win because well la squadra goes one by one
@@venix2256 when has everyone in sdc fought an enemy together execpt for n doul
I think star platinum is a good match agains almost any stand, simply due to the ability to stop time. With training Jotaro could stop time forever, so he could probably go get lunch first, write a thesis on starfish, play baseball and then come back to finish the fight
Good point. Not to mention, his cunning and intelligent mind. There are many feats that makes him rival Young Joseph in part 2.
However, the limit of time stop is only 5 seconds for a human being simply due to stamina/exhaustion. Stand Energy, so to speak, I guess? But it might not be the limit for people with Joestar Genes, who, has a lot of potential in their body due to their genes. Maybe if Jotaro trained his body into an athlete-like body, it would give an extra second... However, Hamon is the best option... But, oh well.
@@justabulletjustaboxofammo3817 uhhhhh
Stand abilities aren't based on physical abbilities.
You need practice to use your abilities so theoretically he could stop time forever as DIO said with enough practice his time stop time would be bigger and bigger each time "a minute an hour"
So basiacly with enough practice jotaro could slam all of la squadra ezpz
@@boptodatop No, in part 6,it was stated that 5 seconds was the absolute limit for human beings. (Not limited to Hamon users, obviously. They would have a lot of stamina and sturdy physique.) DIO is a vampire, and assimilating himself more to Jonathan's body lifted off some of the restrictions on his body, too. Which allowed his time stop to increase even further than 5 seconds due to his stamina/not needing to take more break.
@@justabulletjustaboxofammo3817 that was literally never said
I heavily disagree with this video as most of la squadra are too slow or too weak to harm the crusaders. White album only caught up to a car while star platinum and silver chariot are beyond light speed. White album got penetrated by bullets a bit so star platinum’s punches would break the ice.
The others can’t do much else from here
I 100% agree that the crusaders win but no way jotaro beats wa. Sp would just freeze on contact, and would be slowed because of gently weeps. The only thing jotaro can do is ts and lunch but I doubt it would break the armor
@@uselessavocado306 SP can easily break diamonds, I am pretty sure some Armor of ice will not stand a chance against him.
@@bonnyas9998 GE and star platinum both have a in power and speed. I know that SP is the ultimate stand until part 6 (if i remember correctly) but seeing how ge didn't leave a dent in the armor and had to pierce it, SP would have trouble breaking it before WA reacts. With time stop maybe but i doubt it.
Honestly, star platinum can take them all on, when he stops time it stops time in which the ability's move and making him move at light speed, He also shattered dios skull so one punch from star platinum would be enough to kill every single guy here, he also has star finger which literally slices like a blade. Also against illuso even if his stand is outside the mirror couldn't he still stop time then beat the living hell out of illuso himself?
Your stands ability doesn’t take effect in the mirror world if it’s not brought in. That’s why purple hazes virus wasn’t inside of it, but once giorno was brought in with the virus in him it was able to effect him.
Also it would be hard to hit risotto without being able to see him, and I doubt they would all be close enough for one ts to deal with them all
@@Therat921 idk, star platinum can stop time and that should also stop time in the mirror realm. fugo was still able to use purple haze's stand ability but not inside the mirror realm until giorno caught the virus, so technically since jotaro can move in stopped time it should work if star platinum stops time
What did Epitaph do for Diavolo? Time stop does nothing here. Jotaro can’t locate Riscotto. He fills Jotaro with razor blades easy win. Diavolo>Jotaro
@@Therat921 The thing is PHs virus is an actual physical object made by the stand while the time stop is a concept that universally applies to all time in the whole existence that can experience time so as long as time passes in Illuso's mirror world The World should stop the time there too.
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@@galaxyrend no
Jotaro freezes time snaps everyone’s neck not even a challenge
Or throw spear like part 6 was
Risotto makes knifes in everyone’s neck, not even a challenge
@@Therat921 can he do it when time already stopped?
@@Therat921 how can he do that in time stop?
@@Tyranitup can jotaro stop time when he is dead?
I don’t think Man in the Mirror would kill any of the Crusaders, they’re all fucking shredded combat experts from boxers to hamon users to Monks and swordsmen, I don’t think he’d be that effective
Illuso is a literal assassin who has years of expertise in hand to hand combat because he knows his stand's weakness and had a lot of time to practice unlike the Crusaders who always relied on their stand's ability. Also he's fucking jacked
@@moderncrusader1150 "always relied on their stand's ability"
Jotaro who got it like a week before part 3 started: huh
Joseph who got a shitty stand: huh
People can't hurt stands. He'd just stay back and let his stand do the work and take them one by one.
@@staarfinger7322 they actually can hurt stands and man in the mirror is a pitifully weak stand
@@Scornfull people can't hurt stands unless they're bound stands and man in the mirror isn't a bound stand
Honestly Jotaro beats anyone 1v1, but a bloodlusted Risotto, who maybe can kill him before Jotaro can do anything.
Risotto is by far the most dangerous enemy here, but even he can be countered by Avdol's cross or even Hermits Purple, that can pinpoint his location.
Also Jotaro hard counters the mirror world, because he can still stop time and beat the the living shit out of him with his bare fists. Not to mention Joseph, who can still use Hamon.
In a 1v1 Jotaro carries many fights, while in a Battle Royale of 6v6, Jotaro is again just extremely unfair to fight against. With Hermit Purple's and Avdol's cross, they can also easily locate enemies and crush them with Star Platinum, who easily washes everyone in a close quarter fight. White Album maybe puts up a good fight against Jotaro, but is still countered by Avdol and Kakyoin's range.
Stardust Crusaders are favoured in my opinion.
The only way the assassins win, is by targeting Jotaro first and get the jump on him with Metallica.
These bums together struggle so hard and lose limbs against a single Dio subordinate but yeah, they’d low diff the entire La Squadra working together bud. Sure. Jojo fans are even worse powerscalers than One Piece fans 🤣.
There’s a reason why Araki always makes sure the protagonist group only ever fights 1-2 stand users at a time.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400
What are you trying to say bud ?
Your only "argument" is nonsense.
DIO's agents never actually tried 1 vs 6 the Crusaders in a fair environment. There was always some trickery or an ambush.
Also Dio had some seriously strong stands under his wing, like Vanilla Ice and Justice, who are way more deadly to the Crusaders, than most stands of the La Squadra can put up against the Crusaders.
Only Risottos stand can be considered extremely strong, which is not enough.
In a 6vs6 the Crusaders seriously just roll over the Squadra. It's not even debatable. Their overall stand quality is much higher and they also have Jotaro, who could hypothetically 1 vs 6, if the whole Squadra would stand before him.
A few things I noticed in the analysis is that white album and greatful dead aren’t great for fighting enemies at the same time, while white album is freezing the air greatful dead can’t age the enemy. Not to mention while man in the mirror can trap you in the mirror world, it’s got a crappy user who feels the need to hinder himself to his opponents level and we know the stardust crusaders can take waaaaay more punishment. One final but minor point is that avdol and iggy both have ways of finding risotto with both smell and the heart beat director thing. As a team stardust don’t inherently counter each other’s abilities while greatful dead and while album can’t work together if they’re fighting an enemy close up.
This is a dope match up. This is pretty much a raw power vs hax abilities battle
Me, I would win.
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La Crusaders
If you think about it la squadra wins this matchup in a landslide, just because of man in the mirror. Illuso can actually chose to bring stands into the mirror world as well. he could just bring in the crusaders as well as la squadra but also bring in all of la squadra’s stands. This basically means that the crusaders have to fight standless. Any of la squadra’s members could take out all of the crusaders if they were standless so it’s basically a free win. Even if jotaro could stop time in the mirror world, he wouldn’t be able to kill all of the members of la squdra before his time stop ran out so they stand no chance (and that’s assuming he could even get up to giaccho without freezing to death).
Is this a battle royal? Or we switching the match ups with Golden Wind Crew? Because the second one is just kinda a lot of assumptions no one in La squadra can solo the SDC and no one aside from Time Stop Jotaro can solo La Squadra. It all depends on match ups
Stone Ocean Gang vs La Squadra would be a fun matchup
Weather report just wins by himself(pls nerf)
@@sseempire8705 He might have some trouble with Illuso but Foo Fighters is the hard counter considering that the mirror dimension wouldn't be able to separate her from her powers
Heavy weather kill them all and including jotaro that has 5 second ts is busted
Diver down vs baby face that fight would be live as hell
Heh ;)
Great video dude. Looking forward to the Guts vs DIO.
"There's no such thing as a mirror dimension", says Kakyoin.
Illuso immediately dies.
The only good take in this comment section
Imagine if Kira was a member of La Squadra. Killer Queen is a stand that is not great for combat but is like the perfect assassination stand.
Kakyoin could hide somewhere then trap everyone in the 20 meter emerald splash.
as far as I remember, the only 2 people that actually deflected the emerald splash were Dio and Jotaro, and they could both stop time. the only reason Jotaro could stop it is because he stopped time but didn't realise it at the time. I think that Kakyoin could take on pretty much everyone in la squadra
Tower of Gray could dodge the Emerald Splash. He was still trapped in one area, but that’s because the user of Tower of Gray didn’t realize Kakyoin was boxing in Tower of Gray.
@@iantaakalla8180 I did say deflect specifically, I know stands can evade it
Half of what you said is head canon so you shouldn't use that as evidence. Also DIO didn't stop time to deflect it, he just used his cuffs to (though it should be pointed out DIO was still caught by several of them, and he is a Vampire and thus dozens of times stronger and faster than humans). Actually now that I think about it DIO solos La Squadra with mid-low diff
Even though dio deflected them with his bare hands
You underestimate Joseph's ability to pinpoint locations. His stand is weak and incompatible for fights, but he has the highest chance of beating Risotto in a fight as he can just find out his location using Hermit purple and Hamon after Jotaro and Polnareff blitzed out everyone other than him
But Joseph has a metal hand so Risotto would probably be a bad matchup unless he uses some really big brain strats
We win because I date the enemies mothers and ground them from using their stands
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@@maxikioscoeljamon2264 indeed
Why do people keep complaining about “bad matchups”?! It’s a fight, you will could up against anyone because you don’t choose who you fight in this case. They just go at you.
I just realized how terrible the synergy between Grateful Dead and White Album would be. White album’s very presence would probably soft buff the stardust crusaders against Grateful Dead.
I like how the world would be practically destoryed if diavolo never found the arrows
How bout la Squadra vs the 9 Egyptian gods or the morioh warriors vs the stone ocean gang
alessi vs prosicutto would be an interesting fight.
@@PirateKingRoger-x1y it will depend if prosciutto had a stand while being a kid if yes then prosciutto win if not alessi win
It will really be a one sided fight
bro all 9 of the egyptian gods nah fam la squadra become la 6feet deep
@@kris7115 they have awful stands tho. Only alessi petshop and telence t darby are gonna be able to contest with la squadra
@@malcolmlloydandrileyproduc6451 Anubis can poses one of them tho
Pesci with beach boy: fishes men
Jesus would like to know your location
Since fishermen catch fish, is Pesci a manman?
I honestly think that old man Joseph is under rated. He's by far the smartest Jojo and even with purple hermit being more of a intelligence gathering stand it can still be used in tandem with his hamon. But he's still out done by the rest of the crusaders sadly. Joseph best jojo
I just have two things I wanted to add.
The biggest advantage Man in the Mirror has is that it separates you from your stand. A similar thing happened to Jotaro during the Set encounter, and he was reduced to a child, and despite that he still won. In this one you have a prime age Jotaro. Also I'm fairly certain timestop would affect the mirror world too so Jotaro would probably have advantage against man in the mirror.
Secondly Silver Chariot is covered in removable armor/made of some sort of metalic substance, so I feel metalica would have an advantage against it, not the other way around. That's just my opinion though
Yeah, time is a universal thing. Jotaro can just stop time, Ora Ora the dude with his fists, and then leave because the user is dead
Pesci gets smoked by Avdol due to Life Sensor and Crossfire hurricane.
but that hook tho
@@METAsMETAs Pesci needs to find him and grab his heart first. Avdol can detect him due to Pesci having the coldest body heat out of anyone then smoke him immediately. Pesci is strong but only if he’s hidden and far once both of those covers are blown either by Joseph or Avdol he gets beat.
@@METAsMETAs or you were just joking lol
@@Sun-cg6lv hook go wooooshhhh
couldn't Avdol use the life sensor to know where risotto is?
Jotaro is actually amazing against MITM because he can still fight without star platinum. He beat the shit out of alessi as a CHILD. Also joeseph, because he has hamon and while it's more effective against vampires, it's still useful.
edit: So is MR because it creates and produces fire, something that isn't alive. Ergo, it appears in both the real world and the mirror world. Huzzah.
I would say, that if Ghiaccio decided to target Jotaro it would be a dead sentence for him, maybe even Silver Chariot. He's strong, but Giorno was able to be a threat just by punching him. If Star Platinum lands a hit on him is game over.
EDIT: Yeah, in a all vs all, La Squadra could defeat a lot of people, even Bucciarati's gang arguably. However if the Crusaders were going through the same situations as the passione gang, I'd argue they would also pull on through.
The only stand that is gonna give the Crusaders a disadvantage is White Album because as you said yourself Hermit Purple is great for information gathering. So they would get the information that they need ice. As for Man in the Mirror don't you forget that all or almost all Crusaders are strong even without their Stands (look for example at KID Jotaro vs Alesi). In addition Avdol could just launch fire at La Squadra and make then hotter, making Greatful Dead backfire. Last but not least don't write off time-stop as that much of a push-over. If the enemy gets within some range (way more than 6 meters since within time-stop Jotaro can run to the enemy or launch himself) he is dead: time-stop and ora-ora-ora. Not even White Album can protect you from Star Platinum's punches.
It's important to note that during their fight, Risotto wasn't trying to kill Doppio, he was trying to get information on the Boss. Only at the very end, when Risotto discovers Diavolo's identity, does he actually try to kill Doppio, but when he is about to do so he gets shot by Aerosmith. Also, arguably Risotto never used his full power, since the only moment his stand aura and stand fully manifest, to kill Doppio, he gets shot. Given what we've seen from Risotto, nothing is stopping him from just creating razors inside someone's brain or heart, meaning he can probably one shot anyone.
The Crusaders would win because Star Platinum is the same type of stand as Metallica
Silver Chariot hard counters White Album with it being a piercing stand and White Albums defense more coming from bulging type of attacks like Punches.
Also Jotaro can still stop time in Man in the mirror world and just beat the shit out of the user there.
Grateful Fead would still be problem but one they could over come reamber no one on Burnos team had any type if way to deal with that ability either and still beat him so it's not THAT hard. Overall I'd give the edge to the crusaders mainly La Squadra goes one by one not in a ground like the Crusaders like in part 5.
To be honest, i think joseph does well against illuso, for a number of reasons. First is thst hermit purple doesnt seem like the kind of stand that can be separated from the user, as it comes from them specifically. Its a stand generated from hamon. But even if it could be seperated, joseph's hamon would be a massive advantage to use as a weapon against illuso, since it gives him further range and speed without a stand. Therefore, joseph would probably body illuso.
Edit: also someone else pointed out that his hamon would be good against white album by conducting hamon through the ice. Really none of the other members besides magicians red could attack into him, but using magicians red is too risky due to grateful dead. Basically, dont underestimate hamon+hermit
I think it really depends on the context of the environment.
If we’re talking an open field for a flat out brawl, then the Crusaders likely have the upper hand and would win.
If both groups were dropped at opposite ends of a city and were both told “there’s six stand users, go kill em” with no other information, then it might be a bit more even.
Ah yes, the word you use when you put yourself out when you’re on fire: U N F I R E D
Imagine they all just get stuck in the mirror world forever, that would be a very anticlimactic ending hah
Time stop would be enough to escape the mirror world, or atleast avoid that situation
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I hope you did not forget about Josephs hamon. old Joseph does have it.
That's actually a good point. Joseph, while having a terrible stand, CAN use hamon to do some pretty impressive things, even with his little training and old age. I imagine he'd actually be able to heal wounds (i mean, how were the stardust crusaders able to recover from injuries so quickly) and could also use it to use risotto's stand against him and possibly destroy some of white album's ice.
@@underplague6344 hamon travels perfectly in ice
@@venix2256 Even better, Joseph is able to bypass ghiaccio's protection!
Can Hamon's ability to slow down the Aging Process (as seen with Lisa Lisa) counteract The Grateful Dead? If so, that would mean, surprisingly enough, the Oldest Member of the Stardust Crusaders has the best match up against the Aging Stand?
I'm going to point out that METAs here completely forgot about Silver Chariot taking it's armor off AND LITERALLY CREATING AFTERIMAGES DUE TO IT'S SPEED.
pretty sure that's way too fast.
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Yo, Angelo
1. White album loses to avdol.
2. Metallica would probably legitimately lose to star platinum with time stop. If you think about it Star Platinum can see things precisely, he would notice him move, freeze time, Ora rush bada bing bad boom.
You also heavily underestimate Joseph's hermit purple, despite him bring elderly he still has clairvoyance and can literally find an opponent from anywhere on the battlefield which would make the fight against pesci and prosciutto. Not only that but Joseph may be an MVP in a fight against prosciutto because of Hamon, it slows aging so if he did Hamon breathing while under the effects of the stand it would counter the aging to an extent allowing him to hunt him down and take him out. Give Joseph a bit more credit, hermit purple plus hamon is not something to be laughed at.
This is a good argument
I wanna say that Star platinum can increase his range with throwing something using his power and precision similarly to part 4 Jotaro did but maybe this time although his attacks won't be a total kill at least he could deal with the Grateful dead
I mean he threw Iggy at N'doul during the fight and he threw Iggy from far away
For man in the mirror is very situational because since you have Joseph he would be able to warn the others to not get close to a mirror
I like the fact that white album and living dead are kinda polar opposites
You can clearly see with this match up the evolution the stands had over the years, it's nice to go from simple and basic stands to the more complex ones that use strategies as well as their powers
The emerald splash is devistatingly powerful but it's just that everyone he shot it at was just.... well they where so strong they couldn't care less.
Yooooo lets go
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I hope Jotaro’s heart is ready, he’s gonna be stopping time A LOT in any scenario where the Crusaders win.
I think you’re underestimating Joseph. Bc of Joseph’s Hamon, Joseph could probably just straight up beat the fuck out of illuso.
And he’d be PERFECT against Grateful Dead. Greatful dead’s ability takes a bit of time to fully kill the person and being able to discover his location immediately would end the fight fairly quickly with kakyoins 50m radius plus The probably infinite distance emerald splash.
And with the Metallica fight, he could just do the same thing that doppio did but with a video camera instead of hair
Against the ice dude, I’m pretty sure hamon can melt the ice. It’s the POWER OF THE SUN. And Kars’ 10x powered hamon turned Joseph’s knee into liquid. At the very least it would weaken the ice a good bit.
And this is just head canon, but there’s a possibility that Joseph can run hamon up the fishing wire directly into peeches body.
Big note that white album actually would have negative synergy with the grateful dead since his ice could actually negate it's effect also Joseph can likely use Hamon in the mirror realm meaning he actually might have a chance of catching him off gaurd with a non stand related ability potentially winning that fight range is strong but star platinum the world is being used here and all the ranged abilities likely can't catch Jotaro with time stop it would likely be a bloodbath of a fight where perhaps only one or two of either side remain standing I feel it's a bit of an exaggeration to call it a wash tbh
Ironically jotaro can take off a spreading heat stand called yellow temperature but not some cool looking ice 😔
Also, Jotaro could easily clap Man In The Mirror, because he's no slouch, dude was beating people up badly before getting Star Platinum. Jotaro is still a really good boxer without SP, he could take Man In The Mirror on, it's gimmick is it takes away stands, its at most slightly stronger then the average joe, and Jotaro claps average joes.
Man in the mirror can easily kill jotaro”- my friend
Jotaro who beat somebody that is litterally an adult when he was a fucking child: *y o a n g e l o*
Bro Joseph can use hermit purple to get in to white album’s air hole.
ok this is very late, but I feel like The Grateful Death is more of a hindrance than a helpful teammate. Yes, it ages depending on heat with a large range, but it does so indiscriminately, meaning La Squadra would also be affected by it. But you're probably wondering, "wouldn't White Album be a walking counter because it produces cold?", probably, but While Album now has to gauge how much cold it should distribute, limiting the thinking of both of their stand users, essentially making them clash more than they work in unison. If one were to be taken out, the other would develop into a hindrance, The Grateful Dead more than White Album due to mobility. However, White Album's ability is in need of context. Yes, it can freeze virtually anything, but it's not an instant freeze, especially against enemy stands. Gold Experience managed to land a flurry of punches before getting its hands frozen, implying the freezing effect takes time on stands. And as impressive as enduring Gold Experience's punches is, Star Platinum's power absolutely dwarfs Gold Experience. Not saying Star Platinum would obliterate White Album, but Gold Experience's punches left a temporary crack, you should know what I'm implying right now. Now I'm not saying this changes the entire fight, I'm just saying it's needed context to clear any confusion. I agree with the result overall and it wasn't at all a bad video.
Anyway, ever been on a rant?