Damn that is actually a good idea. This is like SNES slotting Game Doctor on it. Put a PCIE slot on the case where you can open a cover, slot a GPU in the slot and you get better gaming experience. All they have to do is figure out how to give power to the GPU (another power brick that pass through the case to the GPU)
surely you come up with a better custom built solution, for around 2.7k we built three new am5/7900xtx, intel arc a770 16gb pcs and 750 for me and my two sons
This is an incredible setup. Nice to have a PC that you can take to your dorm room or elsewhere to game with friends, but then come home and dock it to play games in better res & fps.
Getting a high end GPU for a mini PC can actually work really well. Even the desktop 4090 can be undervolted to draw half as much power while delivering 80% of the full capabilities.
It's a shame about the, performance, it's lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great
@@jvr2011 that's a good question, not sure I am just basing this on the other video from ETA prime with an oculink dock. But perhaps a lower end card will do better than oculink
I have a really big and powerful system with a 4090 in it that I started undervolting and underclocking for games that absolutely do not need full power. I was surprised to find how much of the 4090's performance remains intact after such a huge undervolt and underclock.
@@mab3667 WoA hardware is already decent. The OS is more or less decent (still lacks AVX emulation though for x86 software). The problem is the lackluster native software library, and I fear that without an Apple style ultimatum to make an ARM port that many developers will just settle for emulation instead.
The dock is very neat considering it embeds 600W psu, supports nvme and wifi in such compact package but it’s still a proprietary dock that can really only fit their mini pc with the pcie port. Very cool and innovative nonetheless
It's a shame about the, performance, it's lower than oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is pretty bad. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great. It was a cool idea but doesn't really work.
@@hidden_name7469 Its a one-model idea for sure. Why cant they just add Oculink? Oculink splits the heat-load.. your GPU and its power source can be a few feet from the CPU.
@@hidden_name7469 His sticking THAT graphics card on it almost justifies it, though. Since IT would benefit most with it NOT being throttled by Oculink.
@@danielgriffith8911 except that oculink has better performance with a 4090 than this. He has a video of the minisforum oculink dock, and it performs better than this. That was really disappointing
Recently connected a 4090 to a PCIe gen4 which has only 4 lanes, and the performance loss in games was 10-15% compared to X16, well, I think 8 lanes hardly limit a gpu of such power. And this mini PC seems to support PCIe gen5, but GPUs that support that generation have not yet been released, so this mini PC still has a reserve for future upgrades
You’ll be limited with 8 lanes on next Gen GPUs so this is not a good buy if you want something to last you a good 5-6 years like it should. Plus even with a 4090, 8 lanes could saturate with sharing bandwidth with the Ethernet chip. Considering the cost, they should have just made it a little more expensive, given you 16 lanes, and it would have been worth it knowing you’d be good for the next two gens of GPUs if not three.
the idea here is buy it and if ib the future you feel like you need more gpus, this solution is there it is not a cheap solution, but is a solution some migth like to have yes, i wouldnt build this, but i cant say if i had that minipc, i wouldnt want ti have such solution at hand
@@johnpp21 I agree that it being proprietary sucks but the price of the dock itself isn't bad at all considering the power supply is built in. If the mini PC that is compatible has a good price and has upgradable ram and storage I think this is solid way to get a powerful gaming PC
@MrHhkjhkj I've bought this exact setup for £775 I'm a bundle of the gti 14 (I9 185H) and Docking Station. I've also purchased an RTX 4080s Asus Pro Art to pair with it. As this GPU can ve used in this setup with virtually zero performance loss. So far super chuffed with the setup. I leave the mini pc on 24/7 as my plex server etc. Then when I want to game or use photoshop quickly attach to the dock. IMO far better than my old gaming laptop which cost more in total and had nowhere near as good performance. The final bonus to me is if I ever want to upgrade to a full gaming pc I'm already halfway there with a gpu which should hopefully remain relevant for the next 5 years or so
@neilquinn so the cost would be pretty similar if not slight more from my research to have an equivalent itx pc. However if purely for gaming I would've considered. Main reason I went with the mini pc build us so the device can be left on 24/7 as my plex server. Something which would cost a lot of energy with the itx pc and potentially reduce the Dgpu lifespan if was powered all the time?
ETA Prime is becoming the Nic Cage of gaming peripherals...which might sound like a dig until you remember that a lot of people are big fans of Nic Cage.
All hail the GOAT Nic Cage is my “guilty pleasure” of actors - except that I feel no guilt at all and think he is hilarious, and love that he’s willing to make fun of himself and not take movies seriously.
Would be nice to see the performance of something like the 4060 in that setup. You know... something that mere mortals can afford. As it is, this setup is an $1100 PC/Dock combo with a $1750 gaming card attached (or vice-versa).
I'm really missing a comparison with 4090 in a normal desktop system. Based on this video I have no idea how much performance is being left on the table.
there are such things. for example ASUS has XG Mbile RTX 4090 ,4080, 3080 for its handheld console ASUS ROG ALLY (XG Mobiles needs its special port which ROG ALLY has it) AMD has RX6850M XT, RX7600M XT for handhelds. other companies has similar eGPUs only need Type-c support thunderbolt 3.0 or 4.0 (most new handhelds have them)
I really wanted to love this system. I ordered the 185H and the Dock. Something must have been bad with my one because it had really poor thermal throttling issues. It’s a nice device and the cooling in it should be great as it’s a huge lump of copper, but I don’t see that.
I assume there may be some turbulence. Bottom of the mini PC has mesh so I assume it's designed to pull air through the bottom and past all the components to cool them and then blow through the heatsink and out the back with the blower fan. But if you have a GPU opposite, it would pull air away from this and cause some turbulence.
@@sendnoodles2486 Exactly my 1st thought when I saw this video: given how tight the space is between the bottom side of the mini PC with its inside vent, and the side of the GPU from where the air also goes in, the only plan B to solve this design issue would be to add a small fan directed at this tight space to compensate the intake airflow divided between the GPU and the mini PC.
This is also my fear, because the design of the power supply is inside the unit. Battery produce heat and will cause thermal throttling. Thanks for this information.
@@ozverti6886 it's too bad that the performance seems lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, I am disappointed
@@aarrodri look at the DEG1 gpu video. It's slightly worse. Not major but the fact that it's proprietary plus the airflow doesn't seem like it would be good for the long term. It doesn't seem like a great deal. Too bad I really like the idea
I'd like to see a comparison with the recommended cards including radeons. I can also see the design flaw with the mini pc blocking the gpu cooling fans that everyone's pointing out.
This is amazing! I bought a break out eGPU box I'm using with a Surface Pro and an old vidoe card from a previous PC build. I love being able to use the Surface Pro as a portable desktop solution and docking with the eGPU for more power. It's running great, but this is a better space saving desktop solution.
@@vk-br1dr but come on in this day to make product videos and not link? The other day I posted on some guys video and said what happened when all the info was in description and he said what your saying...just google it. I mean...I keep reading no one wants to work anymore but this is ridiculous! Your making money off of videos put a bit of effort.
If you guys still interested about the pricing. This currently retail here in the Philippines in 600 USD bare bones with the GPU mount. Then goes 815 USD in 32+1TB with the bracket
I think you're the first one to do a video on this setup, thanks. If I'm not mistaken, this could be the most powerful Mini PC setup as of 08/2024 because of direct the x8 gpu slot. Now all we need is a x16 and it would be perfect!
Well it wouldn't hurt, but x8 slot doesn't bottleneck RTX 4090. According to Techpowerup even with PCIe 1.1 x16, which has the same transfer rate as PCIe 4.0 x2, RTX 4090 still retains over 80% of performance and is faster than RTX 3090 ti.
@@kimnice Yeah the 4090 will definitely bottleneck but the good news is that you can still game in 1440p and 4k. And if you add Raid 0 you will get even better performance.
@@Codeblack_the_1 According to their test 8x didn't bottleneck 4090 at 4K. At lower resolutions it did. At PCIe 4.0 x4 4090 still had over 90% of full power. Their test few years ago with 3080 showed that at 4K 3080 with AGP transfer speeds is still faster than 3070 with PCIe 4.0 x16
Minisforum did this with AMD CPUs a couple years ago, the Minisforum B550. I have one, it works well. Ryzen 5700G CPU with an RX 6750 XT when I built it, a very usable computer that can undock and use the built in Vega 8 graphics as a miniPC too.
Its crazy its taken so long for this to happen, I guess its not strictly EMI compliant from a system builder perspective, but it makes great sense with a thin and light notebook.
@@kennypowers1945 but many of us play games that are in fact CPU limited. Shooters and games with little AI etc yeah but any game that tries to advance the world needs a lot of CPU
This is an amazing idea overall for a mini PC can fit in your pocket and easy to take around, and add the GPU only when you want to game. However, the design is very flawed. THey should have the Mini PC on the back side of the GPU, not on the front disrupting airflow. Also, I would love to see a Ryzen model instead of Intel.
idk if air gets disrupted too much, I've seen much more sandwiched 4090s on miniITX cases, it seems there's about one inch of separation, that's perfectly fine, and it's also only affecting the first fan a a bit of the central one. What I think it's a missed oportunity is, what couldn't they make the pci slot full x16. And they only sell one miniPC compatible with this dock, which is about $1000, with an intel CPU that is about on par with a Ryzen 7840HS. You can get 7840HS miniPCs for $250 so.... getting one of these with the pci slot would be amazing, having to pay $1000 for the only one compatible with this dock is not.
I've been excited about Mini PCs for a long time and I've seen the addition of an External GPU coming for Years it's about time a dedicated interface was added.
The gaming experience on Beelink Gti12 is far better than I thought. It is as silent as Mac. Even for gaming, the noise is very low, I can bearly hear the fan noise from graphic card only. Good job Beelink!
Mini Pc is $920 on BeeLink site, Docking station is $99 on Amazon, RTX 4070 at B&H $525. So, for less than $1600 you can have a super compact gaming beast, I love it!! Thanks for the video
@@mrbuddha5263they more expenisve i can get a 4060 laptop for 800 pounds but a pre built sff 4060 is like 1k pounds that doesnt come with monitor keyboard etc, where the performance is very similar
I'm considering this setup. I don't often get caught up in a game needing a good GPU. Thie built-in Intel Arc will get things done for most entertainment and I like the portability of the Mini-PC. When I want to play an AAA title, I could shut down and plug-in it into the docking station to utilize my 3070.
Imagine this type of connection of the Steam Deck 2 into a docking station with a 16-pin connection and a powerful 50-series discrete mobile card. Talk about walking into a next-gen scenario for pc/handheld gaming…🤯
Exactly. I hope Valve finds a way to do this. Don't know if it might be a special cable or something, which would give high transfer rates. But this would be a Dream Steam setup.
this is where computer builds need to go. small mini pc enclosures that can plug into a dock like that. simple and easy to upgrade or just take with you on the go.
its not 'Mini' at this point, we are not playing lego here, and if someone need to add a big GPU to its mini pc, so he should go with mini-ATX pc build from the start, why adding to the cost and compromising in flexibility, its way overhead and not worth it at all
> he should go with mini-ATX pc build from the start Even the smallest ones will be orders of magnitude larger. Smallest SFFs that fit Low Profile RTX 4060 are around 4-5 Liters in volume, and if you want a midrange GPU your case will be 8-10 Liters.
the Mini-ATX or ITX PC would end up being too big to carry around if you only need to carry the CPU for work without the GPU, and it would be difficult to disassemble.
The modularity adds to the use-case. Which is mobile people, who often jump between continents, but still want more power in their hotel-rooms than their little café-meeting-laptops can deliver. This easily goes flat in the bottom of a carry-on.
Agreed. As an exercise in seeing what is possible, the video is ok. As for building a gaming PC it is not the best way to do it. The cost is too high for the performance that is obtained, in my humble opinion.
i really appreciate the speed with which you post this reviews, but please stop scamming your viewers for christ sake. the dock clearly had two 8 pin connector from the psu, how did you manage to plug a 3 to 1 12vhpwr connector in that?!
Mobile gpu are juat that mobile, worse in every other metric, also the name is misleading, RTX 4090 mobile is not a power limited RTX 4090 desktop. Also easier to replace a dgpu.
@MarkoMood The 4090 mobile is a binned desktop 4080 die that does well to keep up with a desktop 4070. The mini PCs lack the surface area for sufficient cooling of the part, unless significantly power limited.
@@drewnewby As far as I've checked, mini pcs are generally bigger in volume than 4090 laptops that can cool a 175W GPU. Without even a screen to worry about, it seems to me mini pcs have plenty opportunity for adequate cooling. What could I be missing?
Teardown, teardown, teardown 🙂 Want to see how they deal with internal cooling. Will also have to custom make a fan shroud of some sort. I've had a propeller broken one time because my sleeve was in the way. I wasn't concerned about my fingers or clothes, but it was hard to replace the fan because it's also custom made. Having a missing propeller (in an expensive GPU) is a big deal, believe me.
That's actually not bad for $1018 USD plus a GPU. Obviously maintenance is worse than a desktop. If that 600w psu dies you have to replace the whole thing for $160 but still... I was expecting 1500+ with something this slick.
It's not that great, performance seems lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great
I recently did some math, because I wanna buy a new PC. and... for now a Mini PC + eGPU Oculink is not worth it. ( i looked the 8845HS model ) A normal PC with 5700x3d and good motherboard and 32gb ram, a 33L case, should be compact "enough" if you compare to have a external dock with a eGPU on a Mini PC. .. and cheaper.
@@nottyseel949 look at his video on the deG1 dock. He is using oculink and getting better results. I also have an oculink set up but it's with a 4080 so I can't run the numbers myself on 4090
@@nottyseel949 look at the DEG1 oculink video. He is using a 4090 with oculink and it's getting better results overall. I have a similar set up but with 4080 so I can't really compare but it's disappointing that it's getting worse results
I wanna get this with a 7900 xt. I dont have a lot of space, not always at my desk, have a laptop and love it. For when i can sit at my desk and blast 1440p. I love it.
It's not that great, performance seems lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great
@@hidden_name7469 This Laptop CPU's/SOC's doesn't have a good amount of cache, because of their iGPU, same for PCI Lanes. So yes, in some games hit harder than others.
@@yankeered5625 if you want a mini PC with a dock you can make one with oculink for a cheaper price. I like the design too, but it's too bad about the performance. Plus it's proprietary which is never good
@@chromaticvisuelle or you can build an itx that's smaller, more upgradeable and uses desktop parts, all of that for less money(and more performance) than this setup. This things makes 0 sense at the current prices.
@@renanmarcondess makes zero sense to compare to a desktop pc. You don't get that the size is the whole point of that mini pc. Some people doesn't want a tower, even SFF or mini itx can be too big. But still have better cooling than a laptop, can upgrade the gpu, ram, ssd and wifi as well down the road.
@@chromaticvisuelle now I'm talking specifically about the setup of this video. It's much bigger, cumbersome, less upgradable and less performant than an sff build, such as the meshlicious or the formd T1(this one is hard to get in stock and also expensive) cases. It's like Linus always say, there's no such thing as a bad product, just a bad price. And1k usd for mobile components and no gpu is pretty bad.
@@IshuWtheL Eh, GPU fans are intakes. If anything, that's the mini PC that is blocking them. It's the regular motherboard setup that has the problem of hot air from GPU being blown straight onto the CPU.
Hey buddy! This is awesome! I have been thinking about building a new gaming rig for Wukong but wanted something low profile. This is perfect setup for my busy schedule. Just a dock, a mini, and a GPU and I am set! Love this. Can you please try this out with the new Intel Battle Mage GPUs? It will be interesting to see how this setup performs on those new budget GPU card.
Good to see more and more mini PCs capable of docking GPU. I hope they get one day make mini tablet form factor with sim card slot (and can make calls). Yes, I do want a FULL WINDOWS 11 phone. I'm tired of upkeeping 4 or 5 pcs (home, home office, family's office, church).
I have been super curious about buying a "modular" PC where i could do some light traveling with a near-desktop level system. I would love to see a follow up video with the Beelink connected to a 3080. I would also love to see a comparison of this Beelink PC vs a "typical" PC of similar specs (like a 5800x or something similar). Thanks for the great videos!
Very cool, PCs especially laptops need full PCIE 16x docking station similar to this to connect your laptop to external GPU when needed without any performance compromise!
If you buy this system with the dock you will certainly need to reconfigure your placement of the pc As this miniature pc does in fact use Liquid Metal compound as thermal paste which means while attached to the dock it will run into similar issues that running the ps5 vertically did with the thermal material used to transfer heat from the cpu pooling to one side overheating it or even leaking out into the motherboard please beelink make a case that allows the pc to rest horizontally and keeps stress off the dock
12:36 you know, when the car turns right at high speed, the right side of the car should rise up as if it is going to be flipped over (if you over do it). But the cars in the video game don't do that, and it gives me an impression that the cars are like floating on the road
This is insane! I had to watch 2 unskippable ads to start the video, and 1:10 into the video I get hit with another one. i don't use adblocker, but this is making me think about it.
145W Supply Built definitely worries me especially on a small device,I prefer it not to built in but the PCIE is pretty cool for the best graphic connection compared to the other Mini PC options
This video is my first introduction to Beelink, and wow is it amazing for my needs. I can absolutely accept the tradeoffs (higher price per component, proprietary dock) for the space-saving benefits. My current PC is doing its job very well, but I know that my next upgrade will be a Beelink (or similar) build that can comfortably sit on top of my desk.
I hope they could make this kind of set up on the handheld gaming PCs. That would break the barrier between the tower PC and handhelds. That would be awesome!
my friend had such a set for testing and he had to change the graphics configuration in the bios and the primary display tab from auto to IGFX. When he changed it, we gained about 20 to 30 fps more in games.
this is great for content creators...you can travel all around the world with a mini-size pc packed with power...you can work from your hotel room, cafe...the only problem now is the screen...portable screen is still expensive...you can gaming while enjoying a different kind of scenery and traveling at the same time...dont know is there any better options on laptop though...
It was just a matter of time before we went from slotting GPUs into PCs to slotting PCs onto GPUs.
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Damn that is actually a good idea. This is like SNES slotting Game Doctor on it. Put a PCIE slot on the case where you can open a cover, slot a GPU in the slot and you get better gaming experience. All they have to do is figure out how to give power to the GPU (another power brick that pass through the case to the GPU)
As a PC user who likes to have minimal setup, just power enough for AAA game, not overpower, easy to upgrade. This solution makes sense to me.
surely you come up with a better custom built solution, for around 2.7k we built three new am5/7900xtx, intel arc a770 16gb pcs and 750 for me and my two sons
i just got GDC th3p4g3 yesterday and combined it with a 7840hs laptop and rtx 3060ti over thunerdbolt cable. it works flawless!
An overpriced solution lol
@@--waffle- Imagine crying about $150. Get a job.
@@Exodia_Misogynist Imagine crying about $150. Get a job.
This is an incredible setup. Nice to have a PC that you can take to your dorm room or elsewhere to game with friends, but then come home and dock it to play games in better res & fps.
Mini itx accomplish this too, except you get to keep 100% of performance, all the time
Getting a high end GPU for a mini PC can actually work really well.
Even the desktop 4090 can be undervolted to draw half as much power while delivering 80% of the full capabilities.
It's a shame about the, performance, it's lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great
@@hidden_name7469 but will it work really well when paired with a lower gpu like rx 7800 xt?
@@jvr2011 that's a good question, not sure I am just basing this on the other video from ETA prime with an oculink dock. But perhaps a lower end card will do better than oculink
@@hidden_name7469 he said it was doing better than oculink
I have a really big and powerful system with a 4090 in it that I started undervolting and underclocking for games that absolutely do not need full power. I was surprised to find how much of the 4090's performance remains intact after such a huge undervolt and underclock.
This is the dream of every mini ITX of tiny PC guys. A new era has begin.
I have a few sff builds this one is just okay
its gonna be way more better after the arm for windows gets better too, but we gonna wait for 5yrs + for that 💀
Meh, it's gonna be louder than it needs to be with nothing to shroud the GPU.
@@mab3667 WoA hardware is already decent.
The OS is more or less decent (still lacks AVX emulation though for x86 software).
The problem is the lackluster native software library, and I fear that without an Apple style ultimatum to make an ARM port that many developers will just settle for emulation instead.
"Dream"... Wouldnt want to have something like that on my desk.
The dock is very neat considering it embeds 600W psu, supports nvme and wifi in such compact package but it’s still a proprietary dock that can really only fit their mini pc with the pcie port. Very cool and innovative nonetheless
This is the coolest setup I've seen in while!
its a cooling nightmare..
It's a shame about the, performance, it's lower than oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is pretty bad. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great. It was a cool idea but doesn't really work.
@@hidden_name7469 Its a one-model idea for sure. Why cant they just add Oculink? Oculink splits the heat-load.. your GPU and its power source can be a few feet from the CPU.
@@hidden_name7469 His sticking THAT graphics card on it almost justifies it, though. Since IT would benefit most with it NOT being throttled by Oculink.
@@danielgriffith8911 except that oculink has better performance with a 4090 than this. He has a video of the minisforum oculink dock, and it performs better than this. That was really disappointing
Now pick 2 more cards, 1 medium range and 1 budget and test performance again, including some emulation.
Yes, I would love to see that too. This setup could sure become popular.
Recently connected a 4090 to a PCIe gen4 which has only 4 lanes, and the performance loss in games was 10-15% compared to X16, well, I think 8 lanes hardly limit a gpu of such power. And this mini PC seems to support PCIe gen5, but GPUs that support that generation have not yet been released, so this mini PC still has a reserve for future upgrades
You’ll be limited with 8 lanes on next Gen GPUs so this is not a good buy if you want something to last you a good 5-6 years like it should. Plus even with a 4090, 8 lanes could saturate with sharing bandwidth with the Ethernet chip. Considering the cost, they should have just made it a little more expensive, given you 16 lanes, and it would have been worth it knowing you’d be good for the next two gens of GPUs if not three.
since its a proprietary dock, this kind of setup crosses the line of "I should be building mini itx instead"
the idea here is buy it and if ib the future you feel like you need more gpus, this solution is there
it is not a cheap solution, but is a solution some migth like to have
yes, i wouldnt build this, but i cant say if i had that minipc, i wouldnt want ti have such solution at hand
@@johnpp21 I agree that it being proprietary sucks but the price of the dock itself isn't bad at all considering the power supply is built in. If the mini PC that is compatible has a good price and has upgradable ram and storage I think this is solid way to get a powerful gaming PC
@MrHhkjhkj I've bought this exact setup for £775 I'm a bundle of the gti 14 (I9 185H) and Docking Station. I've also purchased an RTX 4080s Asus Pro Art to pair with it. As this GPU can ve used in this setup with virtually zero performance loss. So far super chuffed with the setup. I leave the mini pc on 24/7 as my plex server etc. Then when I want to game or use photoshop quickly attach to the dock. IMO far better than my old gaming laptop which cost more in total and had nowhere near as good performance. The final bonus to me is if I ever want to upgrade to a full gaming pc I'm already halfway there with a gpu which should hopefully remain relevant for the next 5 years or so
@@luisgray9912 Why did you decide to go with that setup vs a mini-itx type machine?
@neilquinn so the cost would be pretty similar if not slight more from my research to have an equivalent itx pc. However if purely for gaming I would've considered.
Main reason I went with the mini pc build us so the device can be left on 24/7 as my plex server. Something which would cost a lot of energy with the itx pc and potentially reduce the Dgpu lifespan if was powered all the time?
Beelink: This new Pcie slot won't create any bottlenecks for external GPUs.
ETA Prime: Hold my beer!
ETA Prime is becoming the Nic Cage of gaming peripherals...which might sound like a dig until you remember that a lot of people are big fans of Nic Cage.
I mean, my favorite thing to see is Nic Cage Nic Cage-ing as hard as Nic Cage can Nic Cage.
Nick cage is not hated, he is....tolerable for most people
NUC Cage
All hail the GOAT Nic Cage is my “guilty pleasure” of actors - except that I feel no guilt at all and think he is hilarious, and love that he’s willing to make fun of himself and not take movies seriously.
Would be nice to see the performance of something like the 4060 in that setup. You know... something that mere mortals can afford. As it is, this setup is an $1100 PC/Dock combo with a $1750 gaming card attached (or vice-versa).
Yeah, I would like to see this tested with more realistic cards, 4090 is silly
I'm really missing a comparison with 4090 in a normal desktop system. Based on this video I have no idea how much performance is being left on the table.
We need docks like this that are compatible with hand-held gaming PCs.
This. Mini PCs aren't meant for portability. If Beelink decided to make a handheld that docks into this (or even a laptop), it might be my next PC.
there are such things.
for example ASUS has XG Mbile RTX 4090 ,4080, 3080 for its handheld console ASUS ROG ALLY (XG Mobiles needs its special port which ROG ALLY has it)
AMD has RX6850M XT, RX7600M XT for handhelds.
other companies has similar eGPUs only need Type-c support thunderbolt 3.0 or 4.0 (most new handhelds have them)
I really wanted to love this system. I ordered the 185H and the Dock. Something must have been bad with my one because it had really poor thermal throttling issues. It’s a nice device and the cooling in it should be great as it’s a huge lump of copper, but I don’t see that.
I assume there may be some turbulence. Bottom of the mini PC has mesh so I assume it's designed to pull air through the bottom and past all the components to cool them and then blow through the heatsink and out the back with the blower fan. But if you have a GPU opposite, it would pull air away from this and cause some turbulence.
Wait for the 370 HX version.
@@sendnoodles2486 Exactly my 1st thought when I saw this video: given how tight the space is between the bottom side of the mini PC with its inside vent, and the side of the GPU from where the air also goes in, the only plan B to solve this design issue would be to add a small fan directed at this tight space to compensate the intake airflow divided between the GPU and the mini PC.
@@jpnn80 would've made sense for them to rotate the PC the other way, or back to back to have both pull air from opposite directions.
This is also my fear, because the design of the power supply is inside the unit. Battery produce heat and will cause thermal throttling. Thanks for this information.
All laptops should do this.
Oh man I have been waiting for this!!
A 4090!? ETA you mad lad
@@ozverti6886 it's too bad that the performance seems lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, I am disappointed
@@hidden_name7469 I missed the oculink comparison. Or you concluded that from prior videos?
@@aarrodri look at the DEG1 gpu video. It's slightly worse. Not major but the fact that it's proprietary plus the airflow doesn't seem like it would be good for the long term. It doesn't seem like a great deal. Too bad I really like the idea
Thunderbolt 5 with future 50XX series will be the future of portable gaming
Hope we'll see them in early 2025...
I'd like to see a comparison with the recommended cards including radeons.
I can also see the design flaw with the mini pc blocking the gpu cooling fans that everyone's pointing out.
This is amazing! I bought a break out eGPU box I'm using with a Surface Pro and an old vidoe card from a previous PC build. I love being able to use the Surface Pro as a portable desktop solution and docking with the eGPU for more power. It's running great, but this is a better space saving desktop solution.
15 minute video. No price. No links to the actual product. …. Strange.
Google is your friend...
the time you took to write this, you could have opened up another tab and googled it in a matter of seconds
Its not about googling the products, everyone can do that. Its about lacking of Info in terms of pricing etc.
@@vk-br1dr but come on in this day to make product videos and not link? The other day I posted on some guys video and said what happened when all the info was in description and he said what your saying...just google it. I mean...I keep reading no one wants to work anymore but this is ridiculous! Your making money off of videos put a bit of effort.
If you guys still interested about the pricing.
This currently retail here in the Philippines in 600 USD bare bones with the GPU mount.
Then goes 815 USD in 32+1TB with the bracket
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Would like to see this running an actual x8 graphics cars like a rx6400 to see if there is any performance fall off still.
Why Would There Be A Performance Hit With An 8X Graphics Card?
@@thewatcher5271 to confirm the dock is doing its job.
i absolutely LOVE the idea of a modular docking mini pc
That was the saddest situation of 'dual stereo speakers' I ever saw in my life
I like it! I don’t play video games often so I don’t want a huge tower taking up space. If I want to play a game this would allow me to, if I want.
I think you're the first one to do a video on this setup, thanks. If I'm not mistaken, this could be the most powerful Mini PC setup as of 08/2024 because of direct the x8 gpu slot. Now all we need is a x16 and it would be perfect!
Well it wouldn't hurt, but x8 slot doesn't bottleneck RTX 4090. According to Techpowerup even with PCIe 1.1 x16, which has the same transfer rate as PCIe 4.0 x2, RTX 4090 still retains over 80% of performance and is faster than RTX 3090 ti.
@@kimnice Yeah the 4090 will definitely bottleneck but the good news is that you can still game in 1440p and 4k. And if you add Raid 0 you will get even better performance.
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According to their test 8x didn't bottleneck 4090 at 4K. At lower resolutions it did. At PCIe 4.0 x4 4090 still had over 90% of full power.
Their test few years ago with 3080 showed that at 4K 3080 with AGP transfer speeds is still faster than 3070 with PCIe 4.0 x16
@@kimnice That's good to know, 4K is the Res. I want to game in.
I really like that build. I had macmini and sadly since m1 you cannot put an eGpu anymore, but this looks so good. So much better than the huge PCs.
Impressive piece of gear... be interesting to see with an AMD ... but very impressive,,, thanks ETA Prime
Minisforum did this with AMD CPUs a couple years ago, the Minisforum B550. I have one, it works well. Ryzen 5700G CPU with an RX 6750 XT when I built it, a very usable computer that can undock and use the built in Vega 8 graphics as a miniPC too.
Those specs are surprisingly very good, wtf.... they're close to my big tower rig... that's absolutely insane
@@stopthecap2644 its a 4090 what do u expect
Kind of like slotting in a pentium II but it’s the whole rest of the computer
Its crazy its taken so long for this to happen, I guess its not strictly EMI compliant from a system builder perspective, but it makes great sense with a thin and light notebook.
An AMD X3D mobile chip would be perfect for this.
The ultimate ultra compact gaming pc.
or the 370 HX
I see ETA PRIME i leave a like!
Love your content
The CPU holds it back big time
Doesn’t matter if all you wsnt is 4k 60 or 1440p60
@@kennypowers1945 I will 100% agree here, but soldering in an Intel Core Ultra 9 285H would fix it.
@@kennypowers1945 but many of us play games that are in fact CPU limited. Shooters and games with little AI etc yeah but any game that tries to advance the world needs a lot of CPU
It would be better if they build AMD Ryzen version
Clean, slick, conversation starter, definitely something many people could use. 👍
This is an amazing idea overall for a mini PC can fit in your pocket and easy to take around, and add the GPU only when you want to game. However, the design is very flawed. THey should have the Mini PC on the back side of the GPU, not on the front disrupting airflow. Also, I would love to see a Ryzen model instead of Intel.
I guess it's disrupting the air flow because the company says max. 2.5 slots but ETA is using a 3.5 slot card.
Very disappointed, this is actually getting worse results than with oculink@@axemanracing6222
It’s a wrong design…the position of the miniPC need to be behind of the GPU-card (looks also better)
idk if air gets disrupted too much, I've seen much more sandwiched 4090s on miniITX cases, it seems there's about one inch of separation, that's perfectly fine, and it's also only affecting the first fan a a bit of the central one. What I think it's a missed oportunity is, what couldn't they make the pci slot full x16. And they only sell one miniPC compatible with this dock, which is about $1000, with an intel CPU that is about on par with a Ryzen 7840HS. You can get 7840HS miniPCs for $250 so.... getting one of these with the pci slot would be amazing, having to pay $1000 for the only one compatible with this dock is not.
370 HX will change the game for this
I've been excited about Mini PCs for a long time and I've seen the addition of an External GPU coming for Years it's about time a dedicated interface was added.
If you are ready to give up on that much real estate then doesn't it just make sense to to for an ITX build.
Finaly they turned in right direction.
The gaming experience on Beelink Gti12 is far better than I thought. It is as silent as Mac. Even for gaming, the noise is very low, I can bearly hear the fan noise from graphic card only. Good job Beelink!
Mini Pc is $920 on BeeLink site, Docking station is $99 on Amazon, RTX 4070 at B&H $525. So, for less than $1600 you can have a super compact gaming beast, I love it!! Thanks for the video
@@Mullerchiropractic 920€?? Is a scam, with math money you can have a gaming laptop with 165hz monitor, maybe an I5 13 gen and a 4060ti...
@@GorryX3 but will be considerably slower than this i9 185h and PC RTX 4070
orrrr, you can have an actual PC in SFF that takes up the same amount of space for less...
get the other i9 version for 615 right now, dock is 160, card is... whatever. 500. 1250 ish
@@mrbuddha5263they more expenisve i can get a 4060 laptop for 800 pounds but a pre built sff 4060 is like 1k pounds that doesnt come with monitor keyboard etc, where the performance is very similar
I'm considering this setup. I don't often get caught up in a game needing a good GPU. Thie built-in Intel Arc will get things done for most entertainment and I like the portability of the Mini-PC. When I want to play an AAA title, I could shut down and plug-in it into the docking station to utilize my 3070.
Imagine this type of connection of the Steam Deck 2 into a docking station with a 16-pin connection and a powerful 50-series discrete mobile card. Talk about walking into a next-gen scenario for pc/handheld gaming…🤯
Exactly. I hope Valve finds a way to do this. Don't know if it might be a special cable or something, which would give high transfer rates. But this would be a Dream Steam setup.
This is so silly but I love it. I’d still use my itx build over this any day but I do really love this for some reason.
Total system price?
Roughly 2900$ before tax.
Madness! Pure Madness! Love it! 🚀
If only this is an amd cpu
they also have mini pcs with amd chips check their website
yessssss finaallyyyy. thankssss dude.
At this point, it is clear that this is a fetish rather than an enthusiasm/hobby.
That is awesome!
this is where computer builds need to go. small mini pc enclosures that can plug into a dock like that. simple and easy to upgrade or just take with you on the go.
No, they really don't.
@@FilthEffect Yeah they absolutely do need to.
Giant mini PC! I must wait for EM980!
its not 'Mini' at this point, we are not playing lego here, and if someone need to add a big GPU to its mini pc, so he should go with mini-ATX pc build from the start, why adding to the cost and compromising in flexibility, its way overhead and not worth it at all
> he should go with mini-ATX pc build from the start
Even the smallest ones will be orders of magnitude larger.
Smallest SFFs that fit Low Profile RTX 4060 are around 4-5 Liters in volume, and if you want a midrange GPU your case will be 8-10 Liters.
the Mini-ATX or ITX PC would end up being too big to carry around if you only need to carry the CPU for work without the GPU, and it would be difficult to disassemble.
The modularity adds to the use-case. Which is mobile people, who often jump between continents, but still want more power in their hotel-rooms than their little café-meeting-laptops can deliver. This easily goes flat in the bottom of a carry-on.
There's no mini atx. Only mini itx or micro atx bro.
Agreed. As an exercise in seeing what is possible, the video is ok. As for building a gaming PC it is not the best way to do it. The cost is too high for the performance that is obtained, in my humble opinion.
I was thinking of building a new PC. But I might just wait and see if BEELINK releases a PCIE x16. This is so ideal
i really appreciate the speed with which you post this reviews, but please stop scamming your viewers for christ sake. the dock clearly had two 8 pin connector from the psu, how did you manage to plug a 3 to 1 12vhpwr connector in that?!
Exactly I want to know also, my 3080 has 3 - 8 pin connectors how is that going to work?
Shit like that is what I hate as well.
Still confused why doesn't anyone just put a 4090 mobile inside mini pcs
because youd have to buy a laptop with one to get the card
Mobile gpu are juat that mobile, worse in every other metric, also the name is misleading, RTX 4090 mobile is not a power limited RTX 4090 desktop. Also easier to replace a dgpu.
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@MarkoMood The 4090 mobile is a binned desktop 4080 die that does well to keep up with a desktop 4070. The mini PCs lack the surface area for sufficient cooling of the part, unless significantly power limited.
@@drewnewby As far as I've checked, mini pcs are generally bigger in volume than 4090 laptops that can cool a 175W GPU. Without even a screen to worry about, it seems to me mini pcs have plenty opportunity for adequate cooling. What could I be missing?
Teardown, teardown, teardown 🙂
Want to see how they deal with internal cooling. Will also have to custom make a fan shroud of some sort. I've had a propeller broken one time because my sleeve was in the way. I wasn't concerned about my fingers or clothes, but it was hard to replace the fan because it's also custom made. Having a missing propeller (in an expensive GPU) is a big deal, believe me.
That's actually not bad for $1018 USD plus a GPU.
Obviously maintenance is worse than a desktop. If that 600w psu dies you have to replace the whole thing for $160 but still... I was expecting 1500+ with something this slick.
It's not that great, performance seems lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great
@@hidden_name7469 He kept saying it was faster than oculink... How do you know it is slower? Or am I misunderstanding what you (or he) means?
I recently did some math, because I wanna buy a new PC.
and... for now a Mini PC + eGPU Oculink is not worth it. ( i looked the 8845HS model )
A normal PC with 5700x3d and good motherboard and 32gb ram, a 33L case, should be compact "enough" if you compare to have a external dock with a eGPU on a Mini PC.
.. and cheaper.
@@nottyseel949 look at his video on the deG1 dock. He is using oculink and getting better results. I also have an oculink set up but it's with a 4080 so I can't run the numbers myself on 4090
@@nottyseel949 look at the DEG1 oculink video. He is using a 4090 with oculink and it's getting better results overall. I have a similar set up but with 4080 so I can't really compare but it's disappointing that it's getting worse results
I wanna get this with a 7900 xt. I dont have a lot of space, not always at my desk, have a laptop and love it. For when i can sit at my desk and blast 1440p. I love it.
This is cool for sure but $1000 for a mini none upgradeable pc is way to much in my opinion. Really wish you would start listing prices
It's not that great, performance seems lower than with oculink. Could be that the 600 W PSU is limiting the 4090 or because the airflow is not great. Either way, it's losing more performance than oculink while being a proprietary solution, not really great
@@hidden_name7469 This Laptop CPU's/SOC's doesn't have a good amount of cache, because of their iGPU, same for PCI Lanes. So yes, in some games hit harder than others.
@@hidden_name7469 it's a cool idea for sure them x8 on a mini pc is something I could get behind but the price is a bit outrageous tho
@@yankeered5625 if you want a mini PC with a dock you can make one with oculink for a cheaper price. I like the design too, but it's too bad about the performance. Plus it's proprietary which is never good
@@yankeered5625 it's a cool idea but overpriced like you mention. Worse performance than oculink and not a great upgrade path
As a person that travels a lot this is kinda dope. Thinking about getting it for myself!
These mini pcs reaching gaming laptop prices while offering a lot less make them kinda pointless. Cool idea at the wrong price point.
@@renanmarcondess true, even the volume of the setup with dock and the GPU is higher than an itx build, plus the gpu would be dusty pretty fast
False, you can upgrade the gpu in 3 years. You cant do that with a laptop. Also much better long term for the heat.
@@chromaticvisuelle or you can build an itx that's smaller, more upgradeable and uses desktop parts, all of that for less money(and more performance) than this setup. This things makes 0 sense at the current prices.
@@renanmarcondess makes zero sense to compare to a desktop pc. You don't get that the size is the whole point of that mini pc. Some people doesn't want a tower, even SFF or mini itx can be too big. But still have better cooling than a laptop, can upgrade the gpu, ram, ssd and wifi as well down the road.
@@chromaticvisuelle now I'm talking specifically about the setup of this video. It's much bigger, cumbersome, less upgradable and less performant than an sff build, such as the meshlicious or the formd T1(this one is hard to get in stock and also expensive) cases. It's like Linus always say, there's no such thing as a bad product, just a bad price. And1k usd for mobile components and no gpu is pretty bad.
Bravo Beelink! finally!
The hot air from the GPU is directly hitting the mini pc lolll they gotta fix that...
They need to invert the design. GPU on sx side and mini PC on dx side so they both get the max fresh air flux.
@@IshuWtheL Eh, GPU fans are intakes. If anything, that's the mini PC that is blocking them. It's the regular motherboard setup that has the problem of hot air from GPU being blown straight onto the CPU.
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Woah this is cool!
I'm definitely going this route for my next pc! ❤
He's the chef John of tech. Love it.
Classic ETA prime teasing with mini pc that i can never afford
Yeah, you're not the only one. I live the Student Lifestyle, so eating consistently with good food is an accomplishment for me.
Great video keep making like these more
Hey buddy! This is awesome! I have been thinking about building a new gaming rig for Wukong but wanted something low profile. This is perfect setup for my busy schedule. Just a dock, a mini, and a GPU and I am set! Love this.
Can you please try this out with the new Intel Battle Mage GPUs? It will be interesting to see how this setup performs on those new budget GPU card.
Good to see more and more mini PCs capable of docking GPU. I hope they get one day make mini tablet form factor with sim card slot (and can make calls). Yes, I do want a FULL WINDOWS 11 phone. I'm tired of upkeeping 4 or 5 pcs (home, home office, family's office, church).
I have been super curious about buying a "modular" PC where i could do some light traveling with a near-desktop level system. I would love to see a follow up video with the Beelink connected to a 3080. I would also love to see a comparison of this Beelink PC vs a "typical" PC of similar specs (like a 5800x or something similar). Thanks for the great videos!
Docking fantastic! I'd like to know the overall noise level with this whole setup. Thanks for the video ETA!
Very cool, PCs especially laptops need full PCIE 16x docking station similar to this to connect your laptop to external GPU when needed without any performance compromise!
If you buy this system with the dock you will certainly need to reconfigure your placement of the pc
As this miniature pc does in fact use Liquid Metal compound as thermal paste which means while attached to the dock it will run into similar issues that running the ps5 vertically did with the thermal material used to transfer heat from the cpu pooling to one side overheating it or even leaking out into the motherboard
please beelink make a case that allows the pc to rest horizontally and keeps stress off the dock
Now if only there was a case I could put this all into then it would just be a regular sized PC.... 😂
12:36 you know, when the car turns right at high speed, the right side of the car should rise up as if it is going to be flipped over (if you over do it). But the cars in the video game don't do that, and it gives me an impression that the cars are like floating on the road
This is insane! I had to watch 2 unskippable ads to start the video, and 1:10 into the video I get hit with another one. i don't use adblocker, but this is making me think about it.
Love this build
This is awesome!
145W Supply Built definitely worries me especially on a small device,I prefer it not to built in but the PCIE is pretty cool for the best graphic connection compared to the other Mini PC options
This video is my first introduction to Beelink, and wow is it amazing for my needs. I can absolutely accept the tradeoffs (higher price per component, proprietary dock) for the space-saving benefits. My current PC is doing its job very well, but I know that my next upgrade will be a Beelink (or similar) build that can comfortably sit on top of my desk.
this is absolute CINEMA
computer wise im loving how they are advancing technology
I hope they could make this kind of set up on the handheld gaming PCs. That would break the barrier between the tower PC and handhelds. That would be awesome!
This looks like the ultimate travel PC, get a Pelican case and just hook this up to any hotel TV.
Wonderful, with this advancement it is now much simpler to literally have a desktop environment with a mini PC. Greetings from Colombia.
With some adjustments to form-factor so it looks less like a modern art museum and more like a console and I think this will take off.
my friend had such a set for testing and he had to change the graphics configuration in the bios and the primary display tab from auto to IGFX. When he changed it, we gained about 20 to 30 fps more in games.
this is great for content creators...you can travel all around the world with a mini-size pc packed with power...you can work from your hotel room, cafe...the only problem now is the screen...portable screen is still expensive...you can gaming while enjoying a different kind of scenery and traveling at the same time...dont know is there any better options on laptop though...
So cool looking! Nuts, but cool!
oh the game dont need no optimization, your setup is the one needed.
Good stuff! Was hoping to see some 4060 results, the 4090 is super overkill!
Dope this might be my new pc setup love a small pc
Reminds me of the b550 mini where you can add up to a two slot GPU to it. I like it 👍
everytime I tell myself to save money and I find tech like this loll.
Beelink GTR models in lava orange with this GPU connection will be absolutely unmatched
personally for its size i think this thing is frellin amazing
That is pretty nifty. lil power house