Did Fender Get The Telecaster Wrong?
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Another good video, Phil, but one of the Telecaster's most iconic sounds is the middle position. I really would have Loved to hear the difference in the middle positions with the pickups in their normal configuration and swapped around. Two bridge pickups would be cool to hear in the middle position too.
JunkfoodZombie This is also the point about/problem with Phil’s two bridge pickups suggestion: you’d lose/massively change one of the Tele’s most iconic sounds (as you so rightly put it).
In my opinion one of the best parts about the Tele is that it’s two pickups are so very different. It provides significant flexibility but also a gorgeous blend in the middle position.
Totally agree guys! There is magical two pickup Tele sound I think you get playing through something like a AC30 with a tiny bit of crunch. And the Tele neck pickup on its own gives such a distinctive "glassy" sound - very different from a strat neck pickup. Still - an interesting exercise.
Stevieboy130664 Agreed. I love my Teles through my Orange AD30 or Retro 50, both of which do a great low gain crunch tone.
I’d like to hear the middle position with two bridge pickups together, too.
@@corneliuscrewe677 Me too.
Any "tone change" associated with a tele bridge pickup being mounted to the "ashtray" bridge likely has less to do with the mechanical/vibrational linkage but with how the steel bridgeplate redirects the magnetic field from the poles, in a similar manner to the steel baseplate.
I can add to your sound analysis. If you take a Fender solid body guitar, a six string or bass, and cut the wood away just enough to hold the neck and bridge together, the tone gets a little more treble, and you can adjust a tone control to get back to where you were. You should see the tonal response when you have a "plate" of medium vinyl between the tremolo plate and the body. It softens the tone and allows more string feel, a medium between the string vibrations coming from the wood and what gets transferred to the metal.
I think there is a contribution from the mounting. The whole guitar vibrates when the strings vibrate. If the pickups vibrated the exact same way as the strings there would be no signal. The amount of dampening the mounting method creates between the body and pickups and which frequencies are dampened to what degree probably makes a difference but I'm not Eric Johnson so I probably can't tell
@@andrewosullivan2923 I doubt if Eric Johnson could tell either. However, as a 9-volt battery licker from the past myself, who knows, no-one knows, do you know, I don't know, who knows. guitar solo
Thanks again Phil for giving a birthday shout out to Jack this past Friday. As you can imagine he was feeling pretty isolated, and was thrilled to be contacted from amongst " the whole internet!". Your advice was spot on and encouraging! There is no doubt, you are the best. Cheers!
I actually really enjoyed the bridge pickup in the neck position
The bridge pickup sounds great in the neck. I'm impressed.
Agreed!
fender did a guitar with 3 Tele bridge pickups lol, kinda like a jaguarillo
Wouldn’t that be like a Mustang or a Duo Sonic then?
@@ravendemo4980 Mustangs and Duo-Sonics use strat pickups, IIRC, not tele.
I think part of the reason Fender chose the pickup arrangement for the tele the way he did was the tone he was going for was a clean bright tone which made sense for the type of music that was popular at the time the guitar was introduced. Since then music tastes have shifted some and a the hotter, fuller sound of the dbl bridge pickup arrangement seems more fitting. I love a standard tele but I’d rock that bridge pickup in the neck position too. All in all what a great experiment! Totally successful imho
Yes, please - do phase two of this project (w/mini humbuckers, et al) Thanks Phil!
That guitar seems to have been a great value for you. Nice to see it being used to it’s full potential. I’d never crack a fraction of what it can do.
Never would have thought of swapping those pickups, but I love the difference in sound. I'd love to hear more comparisons. I've been enjoying the hell out of this series, so thanks for that.
I needed an audio example just for a taste and this video delivered. Thanks for the work!!
This video was real fun. This guitar just let's you try anything. It's amazing to see how the position in which you set the pickup makes a difference.
Keep on keeping on with the Telecaster pickup combinations. Very interesting to me and probably to others
I've been interested in replacing my tele's bridge with a left handed one to reposition the angle of the bridge pickup. In theory; I think I'd prefer snappier lows and smoother highs to the traditional layout of the bridge pickup but It would be interesting to see this demonstrated side by side. I'm sure someone out there has done this but I'm not aware of it.
When I first saw the Somnium i thought about it being able to be used like this compare pickups. I'm so glad you ran with that idea and are just trying out weird combinations that would be cumbersome to do on normal guitars.
Great guitar!! The Relish guitar does the same!
Great video! I just ordered my first brand new guitar from sweetwater and they asked how i heard of them and i of course said you. The salesman then pulled up your account and hooked me up with your guy there and it was an awesome experience!
Teles are awesome with any pickup configuration in them. They just beg to be played.
Totally agree
This video is what know your gear is about :) keep showing the possibilities.
Thank you Gary, I had fun and Im glad you liked it
You've done it again Phil !!! I love this series and would like to see the comparisons you mentioned using the humbucker and mini-humbucker. Would like to also see tele bridge in both positions at same time to hear that tele middle sound using both pickups. Looking forward to the live show this afternoon. I work at Hospital and haven't been able to watch the show live since this whole Pandemic started. This is great to get my mind off my work and pts there at least for a while. Thanks again as you are helping us all take our mind off things in the world for a bit 👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸😷😷🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🇺🇸🇺🇸
I think the neck pickup in the bridge would make more sense with more gain, or with the amp louder, but great video, its one of the things we always wanted to see, finally someone making it !
Yes, I'd like comparison. Agree on the bridge pu in the neck position. I guess that's why I have my G&L ASAT setup with the typical tele (well, G&L version) in the bridge and the humbucker in the neck (bluesboy). Just seems to fill better to me.
And that's the same reason that I love my G&L ASAT Bluesboy Classic, I never really found the neck pickup in a standard tele really appealing. The tone to me sounded really shrill, a little thin and pretty pedestrian.
Hi Phil.
When you think about it, a tele bridge is a giant hunk of metal, so to expect it to change the behavior of a magnetic pickup isn’t really a stretch at all.
I tried a tele pickup with and without the metal of the ashtray bridge around it. It had a bit more low end with it which I find pleasing.
Good stuff as always.
I used to have a strat with a telecaster bridge pickup in the neck position. It was a really hot pickup for a tele, but since my bridge was a paf humbucker it was still a good contrast. I’ve always really enjoyed the sound of the slanted pickup in the neck position. Like you mentioned towards the end, the notes just pop out a little more. It’s a different vibe.
Wow, just got a lot of new inspiration. I am looking forward to hear all pickups this way.
I love how you did this video. That is an awesome guitar. The bridge swap to me had a fuller more rock based vibe when used as a neck pick up. More of a Lead type vibe. But I also think the reverse set up is also a bit more funky. I kinda want that model guitar now haha
The bridge pickup in the neck with overdrive sounds great.
Thanks Philip - this is such interesting stuff, and yes definitely please do the pick up comparisons on the neck position 👍👍
The neck humbucker video would be amazing! I've been considering that combination. Great video!
That neck pickup in the bridge is a funk machine! Cutting out all the lows and leaving the sound tight across all strings sounds great in this application.
Yes, I'd love to hear you compare the humbucker to the mini-humbucker!
Just purchased my first Tele and learning everything I can about them. Planning on modding and customizing to make it my own sound like my Strat and C-1. This vid is immensely helpful in understanding the profiles of both pups. Thanx. Thumbs up for the next pup swap vid.
You should've shown how the middle position sound changes, too!!!
This is such a great series. You are providing objective information to replace the emotional mythology.
Loving these new pick up videos.
Keep up the good work, Phil!
Interested in the mini-h, h-split & tele neck (and strat neck) comparison. I also wonder if a p90 would work @the tele neck
Also VERY interested in a SD P-rails review and comparison to pick ups they emulate.
I have a MIJ Fender Aerodyne Telecaster, and it has a P90 in the neck. Absolutely love it. I haven't played a ton of teles, but the warmer and higher output of the P90 seems like a good match for the super punchy and twangy tele bridge.
Jim Adkins telecaster is another oddball Tele with p90s
I have to get behind that idea of comparing the different humbuckers. And I would love any video about the SD P rails. I'm thinking strongly about getting a set so would appreciate your views. Thanks.
P90s, PAFs, mini hums, strat neck pups, lipstick pups, filtertrons are all awseome options for a tele neck. For some people just taking the chrome cover off a stock tele neck pup is all it takes to sound right.
And for me a standard tele neck pu is perfect as is ;)
Prails do not do anything well, they are a bit of this and a bit of that. They sort of get there, but not quite. I had a set in an custom made SG for about 9 years! Got rid of them last year, and replaced them with a custom made set of PAF replicas by Mr. Fabulous. The pick ups basically cost me NOTHING! Selling the Duncans PAID for the custom jobbies, and the installation! Got split coils & phase reverse in the middle posi if I want it! FAR more versatile!
Bridge pickup in the neck is a clearer punch with a little extra sizzle. I like it 👍
Been wanting to hear the bridge pup in the neck.. Sounded really good and useful!
Really enjoyed this Phil. What a versatile guitar. I agree bridge pickup X2 would greatly increase overall tone
I did this back in 1992. I put a tele bridge pickup in the neck position in an 87 MIJ Strat. It still sounds fantastic.
Sounded great! I love experimentation. Keep it up! More like this would be cool! Thank you. Cheers!
Love these pickup-centric videos, keep 'em coming!
I really dig the 2 bridge PU on ur guitar, love the sound.
Nice series sir, keep makin cause I've always watch it. Thnx
Great video...please make the one comparing the hum, mini-hum and tele neck pickups
Definitely carry on with the Tele pickup experiments. Many years ago l put the bridge pickup in the neck position and a humbucker in the bridge position... people thought l was nuts, but l had one hell of a ballsy Tele.
From Ray in Spain.
Hey Phil, I love running my DS40 watt clean. Ironically it’s one of my favourite sounds out of the amp. So warm and alive feeling. Having said that, I haven’t yet found a bad sound out of it; an all round amazing amp.
Okay... that was cool. Thx for making this video. Since you asked, I'd like to see a tele bridge pickup vs a P90, because when you put the tele bridge pickup in the neck position, it sounded a lot like a P90 to me and I just want to know for sure. Thanks again.
Would love to hear a lot of different pickups in there - hum bucker minihumbucker, and tele single of course, but also strat, p90, wide range, Charlie Christian, and gold foil. You know you want more modules!
Great videos all the time. Yes please make the video you were talking about comparing the pickups for a Telecaster. Thank you
I recently changed plastic p/u rings to chrome on '88 SG, (Bill Lawrence pups, which are great), there was an immediate difference in response that I hear as an improvement. As well I use a '67 Harmony Bobkat for slide, I installed bolt-in tuners and installed a tune-o-matic type bridge, again a noticeable difference in sound. The greatest difference on the Harmony was bolt-in tuners oddly enough.
Thanx for an excellent video 👍.
It would of course be very intresting to see/hear the difference
if you swap the angle of the bridge pickup ("Hendrix-style")!
Please do it Phillip, we need a lot more pickup videos. Keep up the wonderful job!!
Great video! I also like the bridge pup in both positions. Slightly reminds me of when a guy I met had run the neck pup with no tone connection which he said made it pop more like a strat neck pup.
I would love to see the mini hum and humbucker comparison to the tele single bridge and neck also in both positions of that same guitar. I appreciate the effort. Lots of video work I’m sure!
great video, and I too did really like the sound of 2 bridge pick-ups, but wondering about the middle position?
Hmm, interesting. I have a cheap, but nice Squier strat in my collection, and an old spare strat scratch plate. I'm tempted to mod it and put a tele neck pick up in the Squier strat's neck position and see what it sounds like. 🤔
I wouldn’t. Wrong spacing, wrong size, wrong mounting technique, etc. look at Fender Blacktop HSH Guitar’s. It uses a special trem bucker, tele, trem buckerconfiguration. You’d need a whole new guard.
@@michaelczesnozki1671 lame, are you a musician if so I bet you never break any of the rules because it would be "wrong".
gary jones no. I love breaking the rules. This is literally a tech thing. I come from a heavy jazz background and all we do is break rules. But I get what you’re saying. I’m just trying to help the guy out. It’s really hard to get a tele pickup into a strat guard. You gotta have chutzpah. Cheers mate!
Year late but the coolest video you ever developed. So interesting to hear see.
Love this vid. I'd like to see more pickup comparisons
I put G&B Ltd. Golden Age pickups in my Strat and i love em! Both pickups are wound totally different from each other; the bridge has 42-gauge wire while the neck pickup has a thinner 43-gauge wire winding which is also the reason why it has a higher multimeter reading than the bridge pickup. The neck positioned bridge pickup reminds me of Fender's Triple Player Telecaster which has three '51 Nocaster bridge pickups and it has a warmer sound w/its higher output.
Thanks Phil for all you do!!!!
I LOVE this series! I wanna hear a P90 neck vs a Mini Humbucker Neck. But I love that guitar & these videos Phill! Thanks a million!
Thanks, the bridge PU in the neck position sounds great! Yes, compare all four neck PUs. Also 2 tele bridge PUs with selector in middle please.
Super interesting video. Thanks for that 🙂👍 In general, this channel is just awesome. It's funny you should mention the mini humbucker vs humbucker w. split comparison. I own a Les Paul Deluxe which was born with mini humbuckers, but the previous owner replaced the bridge pickup with a solitcoil humb. I would love a comparison of that 🙂
Great video. Now I’d be super excited to see a video where we could hear a bridge puckup in both spots with the selector in the middle position. 🤓 👍
wtf this answers so many questions I had! Thanks!
With the bridge pickup in the Neck, It now sounds pretty close to how my '62 musicmaster sounds and Pops off. For all the same reasons you described Is why I've recorded with that guitar a lot.
Love the series, please continue Phil
DAAAAYUM, that guitar is SO awesome! Your playing sounds great too Phil!
I'm definitely down with you making the other video switching out the other pickups!
I got a set of Stew Mac tele pickups for my Squire tele, and they are fine. Got them on sale for about $75 for the set, which was the thing that made me get them. I like them, they sound like a tele.
Wow, Great video for a beginner like me. AGREED - LOVE to have 2 BRIDGE pickups on a TELE . Weill Done , Sir.
LOVE to hear the HUMMERs on the TELE in your next video. Thank you, I don't have the equipment to do what you just did. Thanks....
I have an sg style with a tele bridge pickup in the neck and I really enjoy it. I don't have a tele to compare to but I've always enjoyed single coils in the neck position
Kyle Bowen yeah, it's a unique sound, specially in higher frets
Yes, please Phil... I personally would love to see the Tele-neck pickup vs. mini-humbucker neck vs. humbucker neck. I am in the process of building a Tele and have been considering a mini-humbucker in the neck, but not sure that's the route I want to go.
The tele pickup mounted in the steel bridge also effect on the pickups magnets. The tilting, leo did on his lapsteels, so he did it on the tele.
Very good and Informative video ! My question really has nothing to do with the point of the video but I'm just curious did you realize how much your tempo had accelerated as you made the video and then discovered it after you listened back? Just curious because in my experience I've discovered that a lot of otherwise great players do rush their tempos naturally. At one point it became an eye opener for me about my own playing. Again great video.
And definetley wanna see a followup with all the pickup combinations! That guitar is so cool and I wanna see more of it.
The one thing that most people won’t know or that they might forget about is that the original Broadcaster/Telecaster design was a modified Lap Steel Guitar. The reason Leo slanted the pickup was to accentuate the highs on the high strings and the lows on the low strings. Remember that there were very few amplifiers and they were all low wattage with 6” or 8” speakers. So Leo was doing what he could to get more out of them. His amps eventually got bigger and better and louder and so what we think of today as the perfect sound really became what it is with a hell of a lot of experimentation from a guy who was really not getting the sound in his head through his gear! Until he did! 🤗
how about having another telecaster bridge pickup to replace the tele neck pickup, therefore double tele bridge pickups at two positions? would this setup get even better or not?
thanks for a great video- much as I love the neck pickup on the tele- I find it hard to balance the sound with the bridge pickup - if you do another video a strat neck and a p90 would be a good option on the tele too... I have an sss tele and the neck strat is a killer tone too -keep up the good work.
Do it! Looking forward to your Keisel comparisons, particularly a Beryllium single coil vs a split beryllium humbucker in the neck position.
My Squier Affinity strat has a neck Humbucker in the bridge. I like the lower output bridge pickups.
Distortion changes tone many pedals differ as well as types of amps if at the moment your going for that particular sound. Good video.thanks; maybe your right about all the build factors of the tele’s unique sound.
Egads man! I think you might be on to something! I love the tele shape, but have always found that bridge pickup to be kinda weird. Nice idea for a video! Look forward to more!
I vote to continue with the mini and the bucker. Also ... try a Strat pickup in there somewhere ? Good vids .. love this stuff.
Now trying to figure out how to mount the bridge pup into the neck position. Gonna need some routing. lol
The Fender Telecaster is a work of art.
Ugly-ass headstock though
@@kailryu looks better with the big strat style headstock
@@kultofskaro 100% dude!
Trippin..I love the tele headstock..I love both strat headstocks too. But I like the smallness of the tele
This answers a question I’ve had for a while. I’ve thought about doing a Nashville Tele with a bridge pickup in the middle position and I know now they sound good in places besides the bridge position
Cool, interesting video with a new way of thinking about pickup configuration.
Yes please do the Tele neck pup versus mini bucker versus split coil humbucker. Love your videos!
Definitely interested in your proposed comparison using the mini-humbucker and the regular humbucker with the coil split. Seems like there might be more than one comparison video you could do!
By the way, I was wondering what your amp settings are as your "Tele" sounded very "warm" and didn't have the normal Bite that a regular Tele gets in the bridge position... almost sounded like a stacked humbucker in the bridge (I know it isn't, I had one in mine before I stupidly swapped it for a parts guitar).
Yep I'd like to hear as many comparisons as possible please . Lipsticks too if you can .
Awesome video. Can you try pairing that tele bridge pickup with a neck P90 too while you're at it?
This explains why they did the mini humbuckers in the necks in later models
2:50 you speed rap 😂 very informative video! I'm gonna have to tear my Tele apart to try it
I agree with the pickup mount to the bridge will get a different tone. I’m a guitar tech ive tried lot of possible combinations.
That's hilarious about five seconds before you said it, I was thinking that I'd like a tele with two bridge pickups.
If you had two BPU's they'd also tilt the same direction. It'd look pretty good.
If you really want to come up with some cool sound variations, try a Line 6 Variax through a Kemper Profiler. I've never had so much fun playing until I came up with that combination. Copying someone else's sound has become much easier these days than it was in a cover band during the 60s. But, when it comes to originality, 'tweaking' is the real secret to being unique in your style and sound. Great video!
Those golden age pickups sound good. What was your overall opinion of them? Please do the mini humbucker comparison I am trying to choose what to put in the Warmoth jazzcaster I am going to order!!
Can you put the angled one towards the opposite direction? Loved this video. Thanks!!
Now I want to build a Tele with two bridge pickups (like I need another Tele!). And yes, a hum vs mini-hum video would be cool.
Built my first guitar, a Tele, last year- put a Golden Age lipstick in the neck, and a Seymour Duncan in the bridge. It's very chimey, and I love it. Are those Golden Age modeled after a certain year spec? They sound kinda low output.
Tele bridge pup in neck is uniquely awesome. I haven't seen anyone do this and the Somnium guitar makes it so easy. I imagine true Tele fans will shudder. But I like the sound of the Schecter PT Special with a P-90 in neck too. I owned a Tele Thinline but wasn't a big fan. The Peavey amp had a lot to do with that though I'll admit. Never played that neck pup through a proper tube amp. A friend played his Tele through a Bassman amp and it was a much nicer match. Be good to see further tests with this Somnium, go for it Phil.
great video.. the fact that you played differently.. is a key thing... I still love the tele neck pick up.. it just has a very unique tone.. it was made for the nexk position...It just sounds so full and pure clean.. unfortunately it is a tone that doesn't punch through.. and is not appreciated... so yes the stronger pickup will be more lively.. so it reaches out more... lets not forget though how the 2 pickups together give you the best of both worlds... so yes Leo got it right