Tele Pickups VS Strat Pickups Why Do They Sound Different
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Tele Pickups VS Strat Pickups Why Do They Sound Different
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Great video, Dylan, thank you! I've been looking at the Lollar Royal T neck pickup for my T-style, and with all the information that you've presented here, the description makes perfect sense. Thanks!
I adore this channel, and get a lot out of it, even though it frequently echoes my own thoughts (thus re-inforcing them, or, adding mental security in a notion, which is useful too). I literally made a video today extolling the specific virtues of the unsung Tele neck pickup, and how I play and use it differently to a strat. Bless you Dylan - all the very best from over here in the New Forest, UK!
I like the tele neck pickup for mellow lead, but strat also is excellent clean. I guess I have to buy another guitar.
That's the best solution. I've got my tele and I've got my strat, though both need a little work atm.
Yeh I just got a new american professional tele, the neck pickup is beautiful seems fairly stratish, the bridge is fantastic too
Thanks you sharing your knowledge!
Thanks for the vid.
I bought a Brazilian made Tagima T-900 tele last year. The neck tele-style pickup on it is so beautifully jangly and crisp. It's also a pretty hot output too compared to some of my other guitars. I wish they sold their Brazil pickups by themselves.
Very clear ! Thanks for the little Mississippi trip ! I have to play blues now ! 😉
Great explanation as always, love the way you fully explain stuff.
I wanted to ask you 2 questions:
1 - what's the physical differences between the different alnico magnets.
2 - In a humbucker there's the bar magnet at the center of the pup that determines each side's polarity, so why are the pole pieces, and do they have the same polarity as the magnet side facing them?
Sorry about any English mistakes and really thanks for your great content, I have learned a lot and hope that i'll learn even more!
I agree with your comment about shims.
Another UA-camr that does guitar repairs and has done guitar repairs since the 70's swears by wood veneer and mylar sheets for neck shims because they are an engineered thickness making it easy to adjust the neck. Also over time they are less likely to compress like paper products.
Gotta be talking DWOFS
Go to your local leather shop and ask if they have a guild. They can put you in touch with a craftsman to custom make a strap to suit you. It wont be cheap but you get what you pay for. If its hand sewn its a lot of work and if he owns a leather sewing machine it cost him $2500 and up. You get what you pay for. I made my last few straps and they work fine.
What is the best way to get into building pickups?
Hey Dylan, i've been wandering how Stack single coil pickups work but there's not a lot of info online. Are they like the fender noiseless pickups? can they be out of phase just like any other single coils? i want to put two stack neck tele pickups on a guitar but i've been wandering if they should be reverse wound or things like that if one were to be in the middle position.
What if you used the wire from the Strat pickup on the Tele pickup and everything else was the same?
Shims, as a concept, are a non-issue. They can change the sustain and tone of a guitar, for "better or worse". But there's no set rule as to what makes "better or worse". I've seen examples of both. Fender style guitars are mass produced, sloppy built, and cheap...by design. So there's a lot of room for, often needed, alteration. You either like what you've got in your hands, or you don't. Best not to ask why.
Things I've found in neck pockets: Matchbook covers from the 50's, same with business cards. Toothpicks, sheet metal, guitar picks, gasket material, bone, ivory, glass, glue (just don't), silicone...and blood (didn't ask and didn't touch), paper and plastic straws...and other materials.
You do what you got to. If you can't play it, it doesn't do any good to anyone.
Highly unlikely that a firm, thin shim in the bolt-on neck pocket will change the 'tone' of an electric, solid body guitar equipped with magnetic pickups.
The tone of that guitar comes comes the electronics and hardware, and not from the body or neck material. Les Paul absolutely knew that when he built his famous 'log' guitar. He used a scrap piece of pine 4 X 4 for the body, and played it for years. If a denser, heavier material is used for the body, that guitar will likely have more sustain. But not always.
I use very thin sheets of Mylar for shims, as that material has a rather low compression aspect, and that maintains it's shape and integrity over time. I completely avoid any cellulose products, especially paper, and most woods. Some hardwoods are very usable, but other woods will compress over time, and have to be replaced or augmented.
@@perihelion7798 Didn't want to get into the weeds too much. But let's look at Les Paul and see what his reasoning was for creating the log in the first place. Les wanted as solid a piece, as possible and _practical_ to prevent the other strings from reacting when he played a fundamental. Because the interference from those other vibrating strings was impacting his tone. Les also knew that the material of the components played a _crucial_ role in the shaping of the tone for an electric guitar. That's why he was very specific about how the Les Paul was to be manufactured (and Gibson screwed that up as Gibson does). The Tom Wheeler interviews with Les Paul were very incisive.
This is where a shim may play a role. The Fender design is sloppy and inefficient from a physics point of view. There is always an air gap between the neck and body that will alter the way it all vibrates. This impacts a lot of things to some degree. One of which is the transfer of that vibration to other strings (see: Les Paul). And that's just one point where it can effect the tone.
THE BIG QUESTION: DOES IT MATTER?
No. Not really.
Because it's the _inefficiency_ in musical instruments that make them musical. Every tonal peculiarity of each instrument, no matter what instrument that is, is what we're drawn to. Very few of us want to hear the pure sine wave of the fundamental.
Something else to consider. The electric guitar is a hyper-sensitive instrument. Those "little" vibrations are being amplified thousands and thousands of times. A small disturbance in a weak magnetic field and you can blow out a window (seen it done...not fun). So don't ever let anyone tell you that a slight difference can't change a lot of end product. The issue is that one slight difference is in competition with a lot of other slight differences. Everything effects everything.
You just have to pick which differences you care enough about to change.
@@ravenslaves Science says that your argument is incorrect. Vibrations from the guitar body, on a solid body guitar with magnetic pickups, WILL NOT impact the magnetic field created by the strings moving through the field created by the magnets in the pickup.
I've tested this myself with a shaker device on a Telecaster, which shook the guitar at frequencies that were not created by the strings, and there was no difference at all in tone or volume. All you need is a rather cheap personal massage device with a couple of different speeds. There is no effect on the tone or volume. Try it yourself.
@@perihelion7798 ...a cheap "personal" massager...?
I won't delve into what you do in your "personal" life...consenting adults, and all that.
Bottom line in all of this is don't worry about it. Play what you got and have fun. You don't need to know all the details about what makes a car run to get behind the wheel and drive, as long as it works. The same applies to music.
@@ravenslaves I got that massager from my wife, who bought it, but complained it was too small...?? Rock on, Bro!
Since you're smarter than me with this topic, I need your advise. I'm looking for my first electric guitar and eyeing the Fender Nashville Deluxe Telecaster. Can I bring back some of the brightness installing D'Addario Pro Steels or similar strings that the noiseless pickups lose or do noiseless pickups just omit that frequency?
I have a fender baja tele, and it has (obviously) a 4 way switch. AAAND an s1 switch (in/out of phase). And this got me thinking. If the neck pickup was reverse wound and i had the middle position in series and out of phase. Would that be humbuciking or only hum cancelling? Because a humbucker has two pickups in serial, out of phase and reverse wound. And ofcourse a magnet (that the middle position would not have)
am guessing you are on the Illinois side ? I really like my blue lace sensor...
what I've always love about a tele neck pickup is the lower impedance, which I tend to hear as more sound of the fingers on the string sound coming through, the scrappiness, am I incorrect in that observation? les paul sent me.
No idea, but seconding this because I want to know too
How does the wire compare to a typical PAF humbucker?
If you're looking for places to go next. You should come to ST Louis.
So if you made a Strat pu with taller pole pieces and used the tele wire so the Strat pu had more winds than a traditional Strat pu how "dark" would it be? Would love to hear A/B comparisons on some of these pu design issues. Where do we hear examples of your pickups?
i love your channel dylan. if only i can send my guitar to you for any modifications i needed to do for my tele. i am having trouble with wiring diagrams online for my tele series and series out of phase mod cos all the diagrams i found are different from one another. do you have your own wiring diagram that you can share with me please?
Hello, have a question. If I sent you my Tele to fix the top nut spacein g and xhange the pickups what would would the charge for that?
Keep on keeping on! At some point the die-hard tone wood believers may have a change of heart!
I guess some people have supersonic hearing but only on guitars made of certain types of wood.
The only one hearing a difference is the one playing the guitar, because the difference in resonance is only notable in how it's vibrating you as you hold it.
I have my luthier put separate battery compartments in my guitars with EMGS or active pickups. Ssooo much better then messing around with screws and such. Depends how much you play the guitars I guess.
That looks more like a shark tail than a V. Always like the string through body rather than mounted tailpiece to bridge. Your way up river from me. I'm about 12 miles from the gulf of Mexico around where the intracoastal waterway meets the Mississippi river. Actually th intracoastal passes through my town separating in town from eastside. We get lots of tugs boats and jack up rigs through here. Even had some of the space shuttle transported through here at one time.
Why didn't you mention the tele neck cover? When i remove the cover the pickup sounds much louder and more strat sounding, less bass.
Hi, did someone try to use Telecaster lipstick pickups on a Stratocaster?
The paraffin wax combustion temperature (199°C, 390°F) is way lower than the temperature where those pickup magnets start to lose magnetic field strength. Alnico magnets are suitable for applications in temperatures up to 538°C (1000°F). They're infact the particular type of magnet that has very good heat tolerance.
It’s difficult choosing pickups and guitars if you only use You Tube. Spent a couple of hours watching demos with headphones - what a nightmare. No idea of amps, pedals, settings etc they had chosen. Hated almost everything I heard. No wonder you hate a lot of guitar demos on the net.
Agreed. My crappy junior a crate amp have done great video tones using camera mics. Weird moments where you have to wonder... Why is my tone better than... With all this good gear
Using an EQ pedal, If I wanted to get a more Strat like tone, how would you suggest altering the EQ? I'm using a 10 band MXR EQ pedal with Vol and gain sliders.
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Since your on pickup difference could you compare tele, strat and the old lipstick style pickups. Also I used to work in communications and found myself often in attacks with guitars and drums stored there. Saw at least a few guitars that were ruined. Enough to make a man want to cry.
The thing to note with using shims is this:
Shim does not equal a folded playing card. Use a real full width and length shim wedge.
Full width yes, length doesn’t really matter. Keeping the shim behind the back screws is very effective and has no bad side effects.
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length matters in terms of making as much contact as possible with the heel joint. If it is contacting only at the rear screws and the end of the joint, it will not be as stable.
Half my guitars have shims. I just never understood people's problem with them. Even stewmac has a video on using shims.
Shim is a fun word to say too
Shim. Shim... Shimshimshimmyshim shimmashimshim
@@matturner6890 True, but not as fun as bobbin.
stewmac is overprived af
That's some nice looking straps but that guy most be a big ole boy if he needs a big strap like he said. I commonly buy a case and a strap when I buy a guitar. I've seen a few different styles and your straps look like they would be comfortable. Also a few with pick sheaths as I call them. Looks better than attaching one of those pick magazines but sometimes you lose picks putting on the guitar.
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Differences aside, the preference of either pick up is purely subjective to each player. The question that should be asked and looked into is which neck pickup has recorded more hits over the years....I’m willing to bet it’s the Tele neck pup.
Love your content. Thank you for no politics.
Don't understand why some ppl get hung up on some things that are necessary to improve playability (i.e. a shim for the neck) ... Fender knew this was a necessary thing to do from time to time , that's why they made guitars with the neck "heel" adjustment screw to act as a shim when needed !! If he knew it & created something to achieve the same outcome as installing a shim , then why get bent outta shape over a millimeter shim in the neck pocket ?! It's necessary sometimes ... Get Over It Already !!!
In my tone journey I've found it hard to find a bridge pickup I like in a Strat and also find it hard to find a neck pickup in a Tele I like. Now I know why. sorda
Sound was all out of synch today, not sure if my end or not. Best wishes.
To understand pickup sound charateristics , you have to be aware of inductance , LC circuit resonance , quality factor of those resonant circuit, and the metal properties such as relative permeability and condictivity . The metal cover for instance has conductivity, generating eddy currents thus low pass ( high cut) effect on the pickup. This is the major cause of darker sound of tele neck pickups. The higher dc resistance deteriorates the quality factor of resonance therefore diminishes the elevation peak in the high mid range 2-3kHz. This is the simple truth without fairy tales.
Ooh.... sounds fancy. Maybe I should try to sound fancy too...
I use my boss’s business cards to make the shims. They’ve the right size and free.
Could u make a magnet manufacturer produce cunife for you?
it would be very expensive. plus, idk why you'd want to
DylanTalksTone i mean, i love the wide range and they would be popluar. Like the telenator pickups that was made some years ago
This dude's a real Mythbuster... puts Adam and Jamie to shame
Hey guys. I’m late as usual.🤷♂️🦅
The shim discussion is typical of people believing in things they want to be true. They want to believe that cost always translates into quality and that a more expensive set neck is better for tone without understanding that setting necks is a traditional method going back to a time when there were no screws, not a choice for tone quality. So they deduct that a piece of something stuck between screwed on pieces of wood must be bad.
If the 43 wire had a higher resistance than the 42 that means it's thinner than the 42. How is 43 wire thinner than 42 wire. what measure is this?
that is how its measured
@@DylanTalksTone i assumed that. is it a fraction of inches? or just a trade name?
@@immanuelkantholz9033 Wire is measured in AWG, or American Wire Gauge 42 AWG is about 0.002494“, 43 is about 0.002221“. Really tiny difference, but it does make a difference in tone.
It's measured in gauge. Think of how a 12-gauge shotgun barrel is higher-diameter than a 20-gauge, or how 00 buck pellets are bigger than #4 buck pellets.
@@corneliuscrewe677 thanks, Cornelius and Rick. I didn't know AWG, since I'm European.
Shim where?
Neck pocket.
@@rickc2102 I still have a strat with a microtilt. I fit the guitar to the neck pocket in the string dicection.
KEEP y'all feet off da Mississippi mud! \m/
When you don't talk you work faster.
He should have brought some vaseline with to sell that Tele!
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