This just hammers home the lecture that I have been drilling into my teenage son's head. You have to know who your friends are. If you are with someone and they commit a crime, even if you stayed in the car, you are guilty by association and will do time for it all. You have to raise your kids with self esteem and self respect so that they are able to stand up to someone that is leading them down a wrong path. I feel so sorry for his family.
Hate to tell you but kids from good, loving home commit crimes as well, even murder. It's not only children who come from homes with less than ideal situations
@@viyannalangager4039 nobody said that either, right? Regardless of whether you are rich or poor, it is all about upbringing. On the wrong path (drugs or crime can always get you under certain circumstances but at the age of 13 or 14? .
@@intoxicated_girL I disagree with you completely. As a mental health worker and as a human being, I see people who had ideal upbringings who are not good nor kind people. Have a great evening and it is awesome to be able to disagree and still behave as adults.
Something similar happened in the United States about 2 or 3 years ago. A 15 yr old was chased by a group of guys. He was stabbed and ran into a store for help. He collapsed and died. The CC TV revealed the assailants to range from mid teens to late twenties. All of them received stiff sentences including life , or over 25 years with no parole. In the United States, life means life.
If it is the incident that I think you are talking about, the young man walking to his friend's place then was attacked and ran into the Bodega for help. That hurt so bad to watch! You know it was incredibly hard on his family. The guys that attacked him just threw their lives away! For what?
I cried when his mom was talking.. you can tell she is broken and lost.. she is hurting and I just want to give her a big hug .. may his soul R.I.P.. glad they were all found guilty ..
I think this is what made this story even more sad. Those boys disrespected the entire court system and made a mockery of her sons death even after the fact. These kids had no remorse for this woman or for what they did to her child.
My children and myself have ADHD. Regardless of this ALL children/adults still know right from wrong. This is NOT an excuse to commit a crime so disturbing, and blaming it on their disabilities!
Unfortunately these families let the streets raise the boys and then everyone is shocked when they make bad choices. It isn't a valid excuse in my opinion. I work with boys just like these young men. Variety of disabilities, family lives are not great, impulse control issues. With all these things stacked up against them they are still able to learn right from wrong and succeed in their own way. Great job teaching your kids to grow into awesome people. More parents need to put in the hard work for their kids like that!
I hate how people insinuate those with ADHD have low IQs and aunt excuse for stupidity 😭. We know right from wrong and what things are wrong to say. Yes we have a hard time understanding things and paying attention for a large time spam but we can feel remorse. When people feel remorse they won't make jokes, we know when things are serious. These boys just didn't care about their actions or felt remorse.
My son is 44yrs. old and was first dx. in elementary school. He is the most independent person I know (besides me). No one could ever talk him into anything he did not want to do. He struggled in school with his studies but not his behavior. His family and God gave him a good grounding on his decisions. He is also dyslexic. By the time they could test his IQ he tested 2 points from genius level. So disabilities have little to do with actions. But character does!
The thing is, is that even if raised right, they'll still cause harm to another. It all comes down to choices made! Imagine one of yours caught in a situation! Would you be ok going down for their choices?
The oldest one shoulve gotten a life no parole. He literally convinced a bunch of teens to KILL. Hes an adult. They took someones life. their should be taken away as well, if not literally - then life in prison.
To kill, Group-pressure ain't enough. Either u are already a psychopath, or have a different Psychotic defect. Or for Kids killing their Family Members, Teachers ect. Being mistreated and abused is also a trigger to kill. Freeing urself of the pain in that Way. If ur Brain works normal murder in affect noone is unable to do that. But planed murder is a definite sing of Psychopaths and other Psychological Deffects.
Being from a low income area doesn’t excuse murder 💀 their behavior is disgusting and they need serious consequences for their actions. The parents need just as much punishment . People nurture a baby and make a big deal out of it but stop taking care of adults
The parents just allow the kids to act out in court, just shows what's going on. During court you best believe my kids are going to do and act exactly what I tell them, the judge having to reprimand the kids, what the heck were the parents doing?
I had no boundaries at home and have a life of horror at home, and along with this I never hardly was in school and I never went around hurting people.
All of them should stay in jail for LIFE NO PAROLE AT ALL!! The young man they killed doesn't get a second chance to live so why should they. They all know right from wrong and they all know killing means that person is gone forever!! No sympathy for any of them. 13 or 30 they knew better!!!
Exactly!! They said one would have a hard time telling right from wrong due to his low IQ but I know people with down syndrome with similar IQs and they can tell you right from wrong.
I respectfully disagree with you Doris. Some people are too young to truly understand. At age 13 there's an argument for there to actually be no criminal punishment at all.
To bad life doesn’t really mean life there. They should never see the light of day as free men. I came from the “hood” I never went around jumping or killing people. Yes your environment plays a huge part in growing up and who you become as a person. People use it as in excuse because many get out of that situation if they truly desire.
Agree . Parents and environment has everything to do with how you turn out. Ultimately though we are the masters of our own destiny . Blame is a cheap way out
I just posted a similar comment. We all have choices in life, you dont have to be a product of your environment. There's always a way out, to go up or down. To prosper, educate and work to achieve things in life. Or in this sad case to join a gang and commit murder for a stupid reason. The choice is yours!
They're probably all back at home already bcoz they don't believe in punishing criminals over there! They chased that poor boy & when they couldn't get the door open they left and came back so for these ppl to try and make it seem like they just didn't know what they were doing is PURE BULL! They need to stay locked H*"LL UP
@@samoday2992 I disagree. From multiple experiences in my life I’ve seen great parents in good situations have a kid born that is just evil from day one. It’s not all black and white.
My opinion they were all guilty...the boys wanted to do this young man harm and they did. Even in court they had no remorse. So yes the punishment fits the crime.
@@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209 In a civilized society, the law decides what should happen to criminals, not the average Joe like you. Shut your mouth and respect the law.
The parents have a big responsibility when it comes to children’s upbringing. The children usually don’t know any better and if they’re not guided in the right direction, it’s really easy to fall in the trap of doing bad things. This is why parents are heavily responsible for them especially when they’re young
One of the hardest, the hardest parts about parenting, is fighting peer pressure. I tell my soon to be 11year old son "you and your age mates are idiots. Except for class subjects, there is nothing you can teach each other. Before you consult your fellow underage idiot, consult your parent."
Yeah 13 year old boys whom are damn near mentally retarded should pay with their lives for stabbing another kid once in the leg... Because clearly they were raised correctly, had fully developed brains, complete understanding of life and its value and had good parents to guide them... right? But in all seriousness these kids need help and rehabilitation. 1 life is gone forever, lets not make it 6 because we are emotional.
@@OAwesomeO Your comment is spot on correct & I couldn't agree with you more. The #1 reason jury's are unpredictable is because many times they will go with emotions instead of everything raised at trial.
Its up close and personal. You have to touch someone to stab them. I cringe when I think of plunging a knife into another human, but somehow thinking of shooting a person feels more detached, not as risky. I’m a Yank though.....so, yeah. I have a loaded glock 19 under my bed right now.
Yeah. I always think there's so many shootings here in the US because it's so easy. All you have to do and pull a trigger. To stab. You need to touch someone, you need use your body to force a knife into someone. Very personal. Which is why I think there's a lot less stabbings than there is shootings. :(
It's far easier to point a gun and pull a trigger than it is to stab somebody. The desensitisation to gun violence in the USA is alarming and the main reason I would never visit the states. The UK has a problem with knife crime, but it's not on any level close the scale of the problem of gun violence in the USA. In 2020, there were 275 stabbing deaths in the UK. (pop. 70m) In 2020 there were over 43,500 shooting deaths in the USA, including 610 mass shootings. (pop. 331m)
@@nightb4thestorm quoted as of May 2021. . “So far in 2021, we've already seen 232 mass shootings. According to the Gun Violence Archive, there were 417 mass shootings in 2019. The total number of people killed in America because of gun violence that year was close to 40,000. In 2020, there were 610 mass shootings across the nation. Roughly 43,000 people died because of gun violence in 2020.”
My blood pressure went up when they were saying, alone they are not murderers, as a pack, murderers... Just give them cake and send them home. Rest in peace Sean.
I wish you were correct, but I am afraid it varies from state to state and judge to judge and how the sentence is worded. Rather than retyping an answer I already gave, I am going to copy and paste it for you. Our laws are messed up in many ways, especially when it comes to convictions. ...some states that have sentences worded 20yrs to life, meaning that after the convicted person has served 20 years they can be considered for parole but not before. This is why judges often hand down consecutive sentences when they (the defendant) is found guilty for multiple counts, basically ensuring that the convicted person never gets out. There is also "life without parole" where that defendant will never be allowed to apply for parole. That's why it's important to listen to a sentence very carefully because life does not always mean "life". Worse yet, 5 to 15 years means the defendant could apply for parole after the first 5 years is up, and if denied parole they will serve no more than 15 yrs. Judges can hand down for example 20 years for each count and if there are 6 counts then it's actually 120 years because it's consecutive (one ends and the new begins) not concurrent where a sentence means that time for two or more of the convictions will all be served at once using the same example if those 6 counts are 20 years each, concurrent, then only a total of 20 years is served and parole could be considered prior to those 20 yrs being up for "good behavior". Are we all confused yet? LOL It could be more confusing, such as time being taken off a sentence for "good behavior"... UGH!!!!! To make it even messier, the sentences imposed can vary from judge to judge within the same state. Some judges are softer than others or tougher, that's why some states have mandatory sentences for certain crimes or circumstances. Each state also varies with what is or is not an adult.
I wonder what these thugs parents think of their kids? I mean, what where were their parents? Probably getting high of drunk. All of their lives are forever destroyed. Not to mention the victim’s family. What a sad sad situation. So many lives ruined over nothing.
Not a good idea to throw blame on parents. They may be fabulous parents. Kids do mob mentality crap just because they work each other up and then it feels exciting to be part of the group. It’s sad!
CCTV is such a chilling thing. It’s usually the last you see of many victims; it’s silent, choppy, nothing like the movies, just brutal, quiet reality. It unsettles me every time I see it.
This is England, western country where there is so much opportunities even for low IQ person like specialized edu, trade school,... but they chose violence. This is 100% the responsibility of the parent/parents who gave birth to them and expect teachers, police, gov should take care of them.
I agree , no matter how hard you try to raise children, you never stop, you get help if youve tried every measure. Some people just have kids for the money, the parents must have some responsibility in these cases and held accountable. They’re all under the legal age
Thank you for this comment. The "experts" in the vid are analyzing it like the kids were living in a third world country and had no option other than join a fake gang. Not even a word about their parents, you mean to tell me none of them had a clue what was going on and their kids are walking around with knifes and swords
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That gang will be in and out of prison their entire lives, committing crimes and hurting people whenever they're out. They should just be locked up for life with no parole.
I grew up in a violent, drug addicted, gang neighborhood in Winnipeg. 15 or so years on the street. I don't use hard drugs. And I made a choice. Im not violent. So whatever you say to me will not be valid. Have a nice day!🤪
Alcohol doesn't cause accidents in cars. See? I just drove home without an accident after drinking 3 liters of beer. No way alcohol could cause accidents. That's the same logic. Good for you for getting out unharmed. Not everyone is that lucky
@@meepmop9662 It's not nice to call people idiotic ;) Stop trying so hard to be edgy. People can be victims and perpetrators. It's not an exclusive thing. And yes environment plays a huge role in how people turn out. It doesn't excuse the actions of individuals though.
@@andro6670 yes environment does play a role, but everyone has a choice. I will give you an example. I served with a man in the Marines, he was from Boston, father beat him and his siblings, his mother was a junkie, his brother in jail at 16 for double murder. He graduated highschool, joined the Corps, worked hard enough the Corps paid for him to go to school at UNC for 4 years. He just retired from the Corps a Captain! So anyone with enough drive can change their situation, you just have to want it!
Even the USA is iffy on what is Life. Its really bad out in 18 type deal. Its role of the dice. Then ppl in for weed or assault with a weapon are doing 30 or 40 years. Its all uneven.
They were so driven on hurting someone they didn't realize they were on camera. You gotta keep an eye on your kids from being on the computer to hanging in the streets and who they're hanging out with.
This is the result of kids not being raised to have any type of self discipline. The parents are partially at fault too. Can't get upset when you get a negative consequence for YOUR negative behavior.
The parents of the underage should be held accountable to. Why do you not know where your child is? None of them got life because of how young they are. Most will be out by 35.
It sad that courts don't give out much longer sentence, also the sentence they get SHOULD be the minimum amount of time they spend in jail. You can find many excuses for their crime but the bottom line is they did it!
What that one guy said about them not acting like animals but acting like sheep spoke everything. Animals don’t behave this way, but people will behave any way just to fit in with their peers..
It seems there is an impressive trend towards violence in the UK over the last few decades. I credit the UK courts with the majority of the blame. The sentencing of these goobers is so lenient, they have lost all fear of getting caught for even the most serious crimes.
The UK has a problem with knife crime, but it's not on any level close the scale of the problem of gun violence in the USA. In 2020, there were 275 stabbing deaths in the UK. (pop. 70m) In 2020 there were over 43,500 shooting deaths in the USA, including 610 mass shootings. (pop. 331m) I chose to leave the UK over a decade ago because I didn't feel safe there anymore, but I wouldn't go to the USA either. Much happier in a small, safe town on the coast of Europe.
I blame the parents for not raising their kids right. It's a parent's responsibility to raise their kids to be decent, moral, and respectful of others. They said these kids were raised without boundaries. Truly the Bible is correct when it says, "Spare the rod, you spoil the child." If parents were raising their kids properly our prisons wouldn't be full to overcrowed.
It depends of the society in a country and where you live. Living in a deprived area, a social hotspot makes it very hard for parents taking care of their children.
I don't take parenting advice from a fairytale book written thousands of years ago and edited throughout the ages. Hitting kids means you are on the same mental and emotional level as the children.
Your either a "product of your own environment." Or you see the cycles that plague the people in those environments and you choose to "leave and better yourself. " it's one or the other, everyone has choices in life, it's what they choose to do with it reflects upon their character in a broken society.
What product of their environment are you talking about? They were wannabe gangsters born in the UK. 😂They were delusional and their parents and community just watched them spiral out of control.
We in Sweden need to re do our law like this. The gang rapes and gang shootings need to stop. If everybody in court here keep silent the lot is free to continue further crimes.
I don't understand why they don't just make it an unconditional sentence that murders be put to sleep. After all, what has jail ever done for anyone? Let alone an animal.
You probably wouldn't see why you were in a cattletrain going to your work camp, or wouldn't see why you can't turn your tv off or hide from the glow, or wouldn't see why your govt leaders eat steak and lobster every night while you are starving watching your children work themselves to actual death because of a " food shortage" go back to Germany if that's what you want.
So if you or your loved one was wrongfully condemned would you still be ok with that? Doubt it. No justice system is 100% unbiased or perfect and death is permanent.
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. you guys realize we are animals. We have to sacrifice our brutal and animal side for society to work. That's why it's illegal to show your animosity, because you pull the veil of illusion back from society for a moment. That's sorta what happened with the protests and stuff since Mike brown riots
"What can be done?" It's actually really simple; Eliminate poverty. Poverty and a lack of opportunity or hope is the common thread across the globe when it comes to a lot of crime, particularly gangs. People can bemoan knife and gang crimes getting worse, but then turn around and vote for austerity measures ensuring families be trapped in vicious cycles of crime, unemployment, low education, and often drug/alcohol dependencies.
So, there are no murderous rich kids, you think ? Mental issues don't know no socio economic boundaries: you'll find psychopaths and sociopaths in all strata of society. Eliminating poverty is not a bad program, but I'm sure that if wealth would be distributed equally, within one year some folks will have doubled what they have, including bar tenders and night shop owners, while others will have "lost" virtually everything.
My 6 year old nephew understands that killing someone is bad and he kinda understands that you have to pay for it. My 4 year old niece kinda understands that it is wrong of killing someone. I wish these young teens had better role models.
They knew it was wrong. They just didn’t care at all because they don’t have morals or empathy. They thought they were cool. A “we’ll show THEM!” Kind of attitude.
I was born and bread in Britain..I'm very happy to have left 30 years ago having grown up in an inner city. I have a lot of great memories... sadly violence and hate crimes aren't a great foundation for a great life. Sadly to all concerned in this very sad story on both sides .. A reflection on society on how more powerful and corrupt hierarchies have become more prevalent and disconnected in British society.
well written Sheri. Completely agree.. They have opportunities, they chose the life they led. They expect everything given to them and have no idea what hard work is. I'm from a rough estate in Salford... I chose to work hard and prospered immensely financially and also through my career. I could have chosen that life, it would have been easier at the time. They had opportunities definitely and I know that for a fact.
Anytime a life is taken, especially when two or more are involved in the attack and the attack is intentional, those involved should be locked up for the rest of their natural life. No parole, no going to prison for this many years and getting out. If they take a life they forfeit their right to be in society. Or the criminals can opt to be executed instead.
It has nothing to do with being antisocial either. A lot of people like to keep to themselves, but don't have any urge to hurt another human. No excuses.
I'm not a doctor but in my limited scope of knowledge regarding substance abuse and criminal behaviour, I'd say that most if not all of these kids are suffering from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. From their pictures they almost all show the physical characteristics (small eyes, ear abnormalities, upturned noses, pronounced brows, thin upper lip) of the syndrome, and their behaviour, particularly their lack of remorse or understanding of the consequences of their actions is textbook FAS. The kids involved who don't have the syndrome are probably just too young, stupid and easily influenced to know any better, they're just followers doing what they were told. Combine that with the fact these kids grew up in some of the poorest parts of Liverpool all but confirms that their mothers more than likely drank heavily during pregnancy. That's not a stereotype, it's a fact. If these kids really do have FAS it doesn't excuse their behaviour; What they did was still evil, but if that's the case then their parents are every bit to blame, because by continuing to drink while pregnant, they literally created a monster. Whether I'm right or wrong doesn't really matter at this point; like everyone else I'm just trying to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented in the future.
They might seem a bit funny-looking to some people, but they’re British and come from different places than a lot of us. Big deal. Being poor does not indicate that the mothers drank alcohol. They were all old enough and “smart” enough to know better, but they did it anyway. Sure, circumstances may have influenced them badly, but they still made a choice to do wrong.
@@OutragedPufferfish Yes, that’s what they said, but they all certainly had the capacity to know right from wrong. Having low intelligence doesn’t make someone a criminal.
@@coolgirlfrozenfeet I'd rather listen to the psychiatrists and judges who worked on these boys than to some average Joe who watched a documentary, thank you very much.
Most teenage boys are very nice when they're by themselves (or at least, relatively harmless lol) but in a group . . . they become the most spectacular arseholes.
As a mom to two men in their early 20's (who both have large friend groups) this is so true even today! They can be such jerks in a groups, but kind & mindful of others feeling when on their own.
reminds me of young male elephants who start throwing their weight around in the herd. the wise matriarch will attempt to correct their behavior, and if that doesn't work the bull elephant who is usually on the periphery, will step up and send them packing!
Where is the accountability of the adults in their life? If they had a fraction of discipline, love and support the chances of this happening could be almost 0.
@@wewenang5167 My father grew up in a very poor family. He didn’t behave like this. He had a job after school to help the family finances. Being poor is not the reason for some behavior.
The parents were never held accountable? Children need guidance. They were allowed to act like this. Bringing a child up requires constant attention. In this case, the parents should have been on that stand as well as the kids.
You can judge the health of any society by their children ! And to be honest we gave a world full of sick children and societies that are messed up almost beyond repair !
I don’t care what anybody says. I’m tired of people making excuses for bad people that hurt or murder innocent people so callously. I don’t care how old they are. If they’re old enough to determine what is right and what is wrong, then they should be held accountable for their actions. Each one of these boys should have received a life sentence and no less. The reason why so many bad things happen to good people is because too many times people like this are let go and given more opportunities to hurt more people because of people like this woman in the video defending their actions by making one excuse after the other.
Being at the wrong time at the wrong place is more applicable, specially when aliens arrives and rounds us all with marks letter HM or HF or HT, HG & HL Right sir/mr/mrs/ms. Your honorable good kind self?!
I agree total bullshit statement. I also find it amusing that in the UK they now "have a knife problem". Wtf did ya'll expect when ya took folks firearms?
Study show that where there is a high CC law in the community, crime is on the low side. I’m thinking criminals are wary because their intended victim may be armed😀
By human standards my dog has low intelligence. Even she knows right and wrong and understands when she does something she is not supposed to. Acting like their intelligence is low and they don't understand is just an excuse that will never fly by me.
Why did it take the police more than 6 minutes to attend the scene given the severity of the call and the reputation of the area? That poor kid could have been saved if the tory government hadn't cut frontline police budgets to such an extent that arrival times have been so drastically lengthened. They have blood on their hands and yet still people vote for them. That poor boy and his family. This shouldn't happen when you're just out doing your washing. I hope the monsters that did this rot.
The problem with youth today is there are NO rules, NO repercussions, NO nothing. Even parents are helpless to stop their children from being naughty. These thugs may be young but they are still thugs and I for one would have no problem giving them a damn good hiding. That is what they need. As a mum, they would never see the light of day again. This should never have happened.
It's not "knife crime" that is the problem.... The lack of value on human life is the problem. No social connections of any true value to their futures is a problem too. Take the knives away, and they'll use sticks and rock if need be, but they'll still commit the crimes if the underlying issues are not addressed.
I'd like to see the stats that really show the numbers who really are rehabilitated in prison. Seems to me that they just learn from others incarcerated how to hone their skills and not get caught next time.
In the wrong place at the wrong time is rubbish. Anyone should be able to go anywhere at anytime. There should be a curfew for all the antisocial kids and their parents should be held responsible for their whereabouts and behaviour. They should not be allowed to have technology that allows them to communicate with each other.
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This just hammers home the lecture that I have been drilling into my teenage son's head. You have to know who your friends are. If you are with someone and they commit a crime, even if you stayed in the car, you are guilty by association and will do time for it all. You have to raise your kids with self esteem and self respect so that they are able to stand up to someone that is leading them down a wrong path. I feel so sorry for his family.
That's a good point. Kids need love and guidance. It's nature.
Exactly right
Hate to tell you but kids from good, loving home commit crimes as well, even murder. It's not only children who come from homes with less than ideal situations
@@viyannalangager4039 nobody said that either, right? Regardless of whether you are rich or poor, it is all about upbringing. On the wrong path (drugs or crime can always get you under certain circumstances but at the age of 13 or 14? .
@@intoxicated_girL I disagree with you completely. As a mental health worker and as a human being, I see people who had ideal upbringings who are not good nor kind people. Have a great evening and it is awesome to be able to disagree and still behave as adults.
Something similar happened in the United States about 2 or 3 years ago. A 15 yr old was chased by a group of guys. He was stabbed and ran into a store for help. He collapsed and died. The CC TV revealed the assailants to range from mid teens to late twenties. All of them received stiff sentences including life , or over 25 years with no parole. In the United States, life means life.
The bodega in NYC?
@@butter7734 That's what I thought he was referring to. It was brutal to watch that.
Is It The One That He Was Standing For Someone They Were Bullying?
If it is the incident that I think you are talking about, the young man walking to his friend's place then was attacked and ran into the Bodega for help. That hurt so bad to watch! You know it was incredibly hard on his family. The guys that attacked him just threw their lives away! For what?
If this is about the case in NY this one hit us hard in the Dominican community
I cried when his mom was talking.. you can tell she is broken and lost.. she is hurting and I just want to give her a big hug .. may his soul R.I.P.. glad they were all found guilty ..
I'm glad aswell, however it's a shame they weren't sentenced for longer
Why do you want to hug her? Do you think your hug will make a difference to her? Please keep your hugs to yourself. They only make you feel better.
I think this is what made this story even more sad. Those boys disrespected the entire court system and made a mockery of her sons death even after the fact. These kids had no remorse for this woman or for what they did to her child.
@@rabbit3212010 Rude.
I never cry
My children and myself have ADHD. Regardless of this ALL children/adults still know right from wrong. This is NOT an excuse to commit a crime so disturbing, and blaming it on their disabilities!
Unfortunately these families let the streets raise the boys and then everyone is shocked when they make bad choices. It isn't a valid excuse in my opinion. I work with boys just like these young men. Variety of disabilities, family lives are not great, impulse control issues. With all these things stacked up against them they are still able to learn right from wrong and succeed in their own way.
Great job teaching your kids to grow into awesome people. More parents need to put in the hard work for their kids like that!
I hate how people insinuate those with ADHD have low IQs and aunt excuse for stupidity 😭. We know right from wrong and what things are wrong to say. Yes we have a hard time understanding things and paying attention for a large time spam but we can feel remorse. When people feel remorse they won't make jokes, we know when things are serious. These boys just didn't care about their actions or felt remorse.
When your Where are the parents to these kids?
My son is 44yrs. old and was first dx. in elementary school. He is the most independent person I know (besides me). No one could ever talk him into anything he did not want to do. He struggled in school with his studies but not his behavior. His family and God gave him a good grounding on his decisions. He is also dyslexic. By the time they could test his IQ he tested 2 points from genius level. So disabilities have little to do with actions. But character does!
They do that all the time. Either that or “he’s on the spectrum.”
The courts need to start sentencing the neglectful parents of these kids as well, maybe then parents will start to take responsibility for their kids.
The thing is, is that even if raised right, they'll still cause harm to another. It all comes down to choices made!
Imagine one of yours caught in a situation! Would you be ok going down for their choices?
@@marklawson5542 if you didn’t do your job as a parent then it’s fair
@@c.o3301 yeah, but to look down on every parent when the kids are stupid - however isn't!
Good thing I'm not one👍
The oldest one shoulve gotten a life no parole. He literally convinced a bunch of teens to KILL. Hes an adult. They took someones life. their should be taken away as well, if not literally - then life in prison.
So if the longest sentence is 18 years...does parole play into this?
Remember these are the goofy Brits
How is 18 years for a 19yr old a life sentence? I'm tipping when he gets out he'll be even more violent and young enough to commit more serious crimes
EXACTLY‼️‼️🤬🤬🤬
One of the James bulgar killers is in a uk jail for sexual offences .
@@stubromac2711 are you sure!?
They’re both in Australia under new personas last I knew!!
I didn’t know one of them went back to the UK
@@stubromac2711 omgosh! I’ve just googled!
That’s HORRIBLE!
They should just tell his identity. He would only get everything he deserved! :(
life in the netherlands is 10 it doesnt mean forever its just the word for a sentence
They were many. That's why they felt strong. Nothing else!
Cowards ,
To kill, Group-pressure ain't enough. Either u are already a psychopath, or have a different Psychotic defect.
Or for Kids killing their Family Members, Teachers ect. Being mistreated and abused is also a trigger to kill. Freeing urself of the pain in that Way.
If ur Brain works normal murder in affect noone is unable to do that.
But planed murder is a definite sing of Psychopaths and other Psychological Deffects.
Mob mentality
This was honestly disgusting to see
@@MoYoTVOfficial i agree . their behavior is disgusting
Being from a low income area doesn’t excuse murder 💀 their behavior is disgusting and they need serious consequences for their actions. The parents need just as much punishment . People nurture a baby and make a big deal out of it but stop taking care of adults
I agree. The children are a product of thier parents failing to raise them to be responsible, productive and accountable human beings.
Totally agree, plenty of people are from low income areas, and they were never like this... they're old enough to know right from wrong...
Peer pressure is a powerful force. Even good parents fail to keep their kids out of gangs. The group violence cements their bonds.
The parents just allow the kids to act out in court, just shows what's going on. During court you best believe my kids are going to do and act exactly what I tell them, the judge having to reprimand the kids, what the heck were the parents doing?
Yea if I recall that incident happened in Bronx, New York
I had no boundaries at home and have a life of horror at home, and along with this I never hardly was in school and I never went around hurting people.
Ditto
Tbf you are female there's no peer pressure or expectation in that way , although its not unheard of
Stay strong girl.. We all love you for whoever you are.. ❤️
@Karishma H Niazkilam thank you this means a lot to me.
If you were hardly ever in school, you were extremely lazy.
All of them should stay in jail for LIFE NO PAROLE AT ALL!! The young man they killed doesn't get a second chance to live so why should they. They all know right from wrong and they all know killing means that person is gone forever!! No sympathy for any of them. 13 or 30 they knew better!!!
I totally agree, in prison til their last breath.
Exactly!! They said one would have a hard time telling right from wrong due to his low IQ but I know people with down syndrome with similar IQs and they can tell you right from wrong.
You should stay in jail
I respectfully disagree with you Doris. Some people are too young to truly understand. At age 13 there's an argument for there to actually be no criminal punishment at all.
@@lenhowl sadly that'll never happen
To bad life doesn’t really mean life there. They should never see the light of day as free men. I came from the “hood” I never went around jumping or killing people. Yes your environment plays a huge part in growing up and who you become as a person. People use it as in excuse because many get out of that situation if they truly desire.
Agree . Parents and environment has everything to do with how you turn out. Ultimately though we are the masters of our own destiny . Blame is a cheap way out
I just posted a similar comment. We all have choices in life, you dont have to be a product of your environment. There's always a way out, to go up or down. To prosper, educate and work to achieve things in life. Or in this sad case to join a gang and commit murder for a stupid reason. The choice is yours!
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
They're probably all back at home already bcoz they don't believe in punishing criminals over there! They chased that poor boy & when they couldn't get the door open they left and came back so for these ppl to try and make it seem like they just didn't know what they were doing is PURE BULL! They need to stay locked H*"LL UP
@@samoday2992 I disagree. From multiple experiences in my life I’ve seen great parents in good situations have a kid born that is just evil from day one. It’s not all black and white.
My opinion they were all guilty...the boys wanted to do this young man harm and they did. Even in court they had no remorse. So yes the punishment fits the crime.
Very likely to reofend. Letting them out means anorher person will die.
@@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209 I also believe that.
The sentence was far too short
You're a consumer who knows the story from a 45min documentary, not a judge. Your opinion is irrelevant.
@@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209 In a civilized society, the law decides what should happen to criminals, not the average Joe like you. Shut your mouth and respect the law.
Six and eighteen?! Wtf?! This is justice?!! No wonder crime on the rise and will remain so forever
These criminals have “rights”. Never mind the fact they don’t give a crap about others rights. It’s total BS.
Evidence?
The parents have a big responsibility when it comes to children’s upbringing.
The children usually don’t know any better and if they’re not guided in the right direction, it’s really easy to fall in the trap of doing bad things.
This is why parents are heavily responsible for them especially when they’re young
Also, the sky is blue.
Bull crap
sometimes, the only good punishment for these people is a one way trip to the firing squad. And that is the best and only way
This is the most “duh” comment I’ve ever read. Thanks Captain Obvious.
One of the hardest, the hardest parts about parenting, is fighting peer pressure. I tell my soon to be 11year old son "you and your age mates are idiots. Except for class subjects, there is nothing you can teach each other. Before you consult your fellow underage idiot, consult your parent."
They knew what they were doing. The sentence should of been life without parole. You take a life you give your life!
Im sure if / when they get out, they’ll do it again
*Should HAVE
Yeah 13 year old boys whom are damn near mentally retarded should pay with their lives for stabbing another kid once in the leg... Because clearly they were raised correctly, had fully developed brains, complete understanding of life and its value and had good parents to guide them... right? But in all seriousness these kids need help and rehabilitation. 1 life is gone forever, lets not make it 6 because we are emotional.
@@OAwesomeO Your comment is spot on correct & I couldn't agree with you more. The #1 reason jury's are unpredictable is because many times they will go with emotions instead of everything raised at trial.
In the US, shooting is one thing. But it takes a special type of person to walk up and stab someone to death.
Its up close and personal. You have to touch someone to stab them. I cringe when I think of plunging a knife into another human, but somehow thinking of shooting a person feels more detached, not as risky. I’m a Yank though.....so, yeah. I have a loaded glock 19 under my bed right now.
Yeah. I always think there's so many shootings here in the US because it's so easy. All you have to do and pull a trigger. To stab. You need to touch someone, you need use your body to force a knife into someone. Very personal. Which is why I think there's a lot less stabbings than there is shootings. :(
It's far easier to point a gun and pull a trigger than it is to stab somebody. The desensitisation to gun violence in the USA is alarming and the main reason I would never visit the states. The UK has a problem with knife crime, but it's not on any level close the scale of the problem of gun violence in the USA.
In 2020, there were 275 stabbing deaths in the UK. (pop. 70m)
In 2020 there were over 43,500 shooting deaths in the USA, including 610 mass shootings. (pop. 331m)
@@Miss_ESL these stats are so wrong. Almost two mass shootings a day? Glad you stay out of the states…
@@nightb4thestorm quoted as of May 2021.
. “So far in 2021, we've already seen 232 mass shootings.
According to the Gun Violence Archive, there were 417 mass shootings in 2019. The total number of people killed in America because of gun violence that year was close to 40,000. In 2020, there were 610 mass shootings across the nation. Roughly 43,000 people died because of gun violence in 2020.”
My blood pressure went up when they were saying, alone they are not murderers, as a pack, murderers... Just give them cake and send them home. Rest in peace Sean.
Sentencing in the UK is so stupid. At least when Americans sentence murderers, it’s rarely less than life no parole
NOT FOR JUVENILE.
Yeah, why even use the term "life" when it's not actually life.
I wish you were correct, but I am afraid it varies from state to state and judge to judge and how the sentence is worded. Rather than retyping an answer I already gave, I am going to copy and paste it for you. Our laws are messed up in many ways, especially when it comes to convictions. ...some states that have sentences worded 20yrs to life, meaning that after the convicted person has served 20 years they can be considered for parole but not before. This is why judges often hand down consecutive sentences when they (the defendant) is found guilty for multiple counts, basically ensuring that the convicted person never gets out. There is also "life without parole" where that defendant will never be allowed to apply for parole. That's why it's important to listen to a sentence very carefully because life does not always mean "life". Worse yet, 5 to 15 years means the defendant could apply for parole after the first 5 years is up, and if denied parole they will serve no more than 15 yrs. Judges can hand down for example 20 years for each count and if there are 6 counts then it's actually 120 years because it's consecutive (one ends and the new begins) not concurrent where a sentence means that time for two or more of the convictions will all be served at once using the same example if those 6 counts are 20 years each, concurrent, then only a total of 20 years is served and parole could be considered prior to those 20 yrs being up for "good behavior". Are we all confused yet? LOL It could be more confusing, such as time being taken off a sentence for "good behavior"... UGH!!!!! To make it even messier, the sentences imposed can vary from judge to judge within the same state. Some judges are softer than others or tougher, that's why some states have mandatory sentences for certain crimes or circumstances. Each state also varies with what is or is not an adult.
@@roseyannette2030 Excellent explanation. Thanks for the additional information.
That's why they are not afraid of killing because the laws are so lack it makes no sense
I don't care if the longest sentence was 18 years, the person never get their loved one back. So no justice wasn't served!!!
Is* not wasn’t
I can't even watch this. It's making me feel sick.
At 6/7 you still know what’s right and wrong
I wonder what these thugs parents think of their kids? I mean, what where were their parents? Probably getting high of drunk. All of their lives are forever destroyed. Not to mention the victim’s family. What a sad sad situation. So many lives ruined over nothing.
You know the typical thing oh my baby would never hurt someone he's the sweets thing.
Not a good idea to throw blame on parents. They may be fabulous parents.
Kids do mob mentality crap just because they work each other up and then it feels exciting to be part of the group.
It’s sad!
CCTV is such a chilling thing. It’s usually the last you see of many victims; it’s silent, choppy, nothing like the movies, just brutal, quiet reality. It unsettles me every time I see it.
This is England, western country where there is so much opportunities even for low IQ person like specialized edu, trade school,... but they chose violence. This is 100% the responsibility of the parent/parents who gave birth to them and expect teachers, police, gov should take care of them.
You can be the best parent in the world and still have a scummy, criminal kid.
@@rullmourn1142 Not every parent is an angel. Most young adults nowadays have depression from childhood abuse.
I agree , no matter how hard you try to raise children, you never stop, you get help if youve tried every measure. Some people just have kids for the money, the parents must have some responsibility in these cases and held accountable. They’re all under the legal age
Sounds like California
Thank you for this comment. The "experts" in the vid are analyzing it like the kids were living in a third world country and had no option other than join a fake gang. Not even a word about their parents, you mean to tell me none of them had a clue what was going on and their kids are walking around with knifes and swords
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TOOK A GROUP TO DO A COWARD ACT ,GUTLESS WITHOUT THEM ,THEY ALL SHOULD BE GUILTY !!RIP TO THE FAMILY FRIENDS ...
IF they all belong in a gang, they are ALL guilty!!! NO if or buts. Put them all in prison
In Jail for life not 18 years, LIFE, ALL OF THIER WORTHLESS LIFE
That gang will be in and out of prison their entire lives, committing crimes and hurting people whenever they're out. They should just be locked up for life with no parole.
"Victims of their environment'? What a load of crap.
I grew up in a violent, drug addicted, gang neighborhood in Winnipeg. 15 or so years on the street. I don't use hard drugs. And I made a choice. Im not violent. So whatever you say to me will not be valid. Have a nice day!🤪
Alcohol doesn't cause accidents in cars. See? I just drove home without an accident after drinking 3 liters of beer. No way alcohol could cause accidents. That's the same logic. Good for you for getting out unharmed. Not everyone is that lucky
@@andro6670 Stop being idiotic, people know the difference between right and wrong, these kids aren't victims.
@@meepmop9662 It's not nice to call people idiotic ;) Stop trying so hard to be edgy. People can be victims and perpetrators. It's not an exclusive thing. And yes environment plays a huge role in how people turn out. It doesn't excuse the actions of individuals though.
@@andro6670 yes environment does play a role, but everyone has a choice. I will give you an example. I served with a man in the Marines, he was from Boston, father beat him and his siblings, his mother was a junkie, his brother in jail at 16 for double murder. He graduated highschool, joined the Corps, worked hard enough the Corps paid for him to go to school at UNC for 4 years. He just retired from the Corps a Captain! So anyone with enough drive can change their situation, you just have to want it!
One moment they're saying life sentences were handed down and then a guy says the longest sentence given was 18yrs. I'm confused.
Life sentence isn't life like it is here in the US. The judge makes it so they can get out within like 20 years or even less sometimes
Even the USA is iffy on what is Life. Its really bad out in 18 type deal. Its role of the dice. Then ppl in for weed or assault with a weapon are doing 30 or 40 years. Its all uneven.
British true crime be like: “the lads pulled an antique long sword”
I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who heard that and said wtf? Where do you find such a thing just laying around?
These are the types of kids deserves to be in prison with old hungry men.
and I'm sure now they've all learned boundaries
Amen!! And many bars of dropped soap to boot.
They were so driven on hurting someone they didn't realize they were on camera. You gotta keep an eye on your kids from being on the computer to hanging in the streets and who they're hanging out with.
This is the result of kids not being raised to have any type of self discipline. The parents are partially at fault too. Can't get upset when you get a negative consequence for YOUR negative behavior.
In all probability, single-parent kids
The parents of the underage should be held accountable to. Why do you not know where your child is? None of them got life because of how young they are. Most will be out by 35.
They might be working multiple jobs just to keep their heads above water financially. Don't judge situations you don't know.
Stories like these make me even happier to be child free by choice. They will get out young enuf to kill again
@Chino T. I could not agree with you more
Same here.
That doesn't make any sense.
@J van Sevenhoven I don't think it works that way.
It sad that courts don't give out much longer sentence, also the sentence they get SHOULD be the minimum amount of time they spend in jail. You can find many excuses for their crime but the bottom line is they did it!
Gangs are for the weak people. if you're really strong fight the person 1 vs 1.
What that one guy said about them not acting like animals but acting like sheep spoke everything. Animals don’t behave this way, but people will behave any way just to fit in with their peers..
It seems there is an impressive trend towards violence in the UK over the last few decades. I credit the UK courts with the majority of the blame. The sentencing of these goobers is so lenient, they have lost all fear of getting caught for even the most serious crimes.
The UK has a problem with knife crime, but it's not on any level close the scale of the problem of gun violence in the USA.
In 2020, there were 275 stabbing deaths in the UK. (pop. 70m)
In 2020 there were over 43,500 shooting deaths in the USA, including 610 mass shootings. (pop. 331m)
I chose to leave the UK over a decade ago because I didn't feel safe there anymore, but I wouldn't go to the USA either. Much happier in a small, safe town on the coast of Europe.
@@Miss_ESL as a US citizen living in Germany, agreed. I never want to go back.
I blame the parents for not raising their kids right. It's a parent's responsibility to raise their kids to be decent, moral, and respectful of others. They said these kids were raised without boundaries. Truly the Bible is correct when it says, "Spare the rod, you spoil the child." If parents were raising their kids properly our prisons wouldn't be full to overcrowed.
So these children murdered because they weren’t beaten enough? That seems illogical.
You're wrong. Keep on believing it tho, I am too tired to be arsed to explain it to you ^^
It depends of the society in a country and where you live. Living in a deprived area, a social hotspot makes it very hard for parents taking care of their children.
Very true
I don't take parenting advice from a fairytale book written thousands of years ago and edited throughout the ages. Hitting kids means you are on the same mental and emotional level as the children.
Your either a "product of your own environment." Or you see the cycles that plague the people in those environments and you choose to "leave and better yourself. " it's one or the other, everyone has choices in life, it's what they choose to do with it reflects upon their character in a broken society.
It's all nature vs. Nurture
What product of their environment are you talking about? They were wannabe gangsters born in the UK. 😂They were delusional and their parents and community just watched them spiral out of control.
EXACTLY
You think you know what you're talking about but you don't lol
We in Sweden need to re do our law like this. The gang rapes and gang shootings need to stop. If everybody in court here keep silent the lot is free to continue further crimes.
Mainstream news tells me gang rapes, gang shootings and no-go zones are not real and just a right-wing conspiracy theory so I don’t believe you.
/sarcasm
Parents only need to teach 1 thing...so simple...The Golden Rule...Do unto others as you want done to you....SIMPLE....
"Low IQ meant they didnt understand what they were doing"
Um... no... it's pure cowardice... stop creating BS excuses
Did you even watch the video
You don't know what you're are talking about unfortunately!
They want to act like adults, they then need to be judged and charged as adults.
Absolutely right!
I don't understand why they don't just make it an unconditional sentence that murders be put to sleep. After all, what has jail ever done for anyone? Let alone an animal.
Because people can and have been wrongly convicted and executed by the state.
You probably wouldn't see why you were in a cattletrain going to your work camp, or wouldn't see why you can't turn your tv off or hide from the glow, or wouldn't see why your govt leaders eat steak and lobster every night while you are starving watching your children work themselves to actual death because of a " food shortage" go back to Germany if that's what you want.
So if you or your loved one was wrongfully condemned would you still be ok with that? Doubt it. No justice system is 100% unbiased or perfect and death is permanent.
And in killing people doesn't that also make *you* an animal?
@@WouldntULikeToKnow. you guys realize we are animals. We have to sacrifice our brutal and animal side for society to work. That's why it's illegal to show your animosity, because you pull the veil of illusion back from society for a moment. That's sorta what happened with the protests and stuff since Mike brown riots
"What can be done?" It's actually really simple; Eliminate poverty. Poverty and a lack of opportunity or hope is the common thread across the globe when it comes to a lot of crime, particularly gangs. People can bemoan knife and gang crimes getting worse, but then turn around and vote for austerity measures ensuring families be trapped in vicious cycles of crime, unemployment, low education, and often drug/alcohol dependencies.
I totally agree.
So, there are no murderous rich kids, you think ? Mental issues don't know no socio economic boundaries: you'll find psychopaths and sociopaths in all strata of society. Eliminating poverty is not a bad program, but I'm sure that if wealth would be distributed equally, within one year some folks will have doubled what they have, including bar tenders and night shop owners, while others will have "lost" virtually everything.
People are poor because they choose to be.
Did the leader of the gang have a job? A trade? He at the least could have had something positive going on. But chose this path.
"A group of young kids involved in low level behaviour"..... They were a criminal gang
If they started making an example out of these young punks and giving them all day, they'll think about the crime before they commit it!!
If you do not want to go down for a crime, don't participate in any way, shape, or form. Walk away. Actions have consequences. Simple as that.
As far as I'm concerned they lost the right to be called children.
3:25 - 4:45 and afterward -- ugly scenery. The brickwork is nice, the trees are nice, but the cramped, non-brick, and ill-kept aspects are ugly.
My 6 year old nephew understands that killing someone is bad and he kinda understands that you have to pay for it. My 4 year old niece kinda understands that it is wrong of killing someone. I wish these young teens had better role models.
They knew it was wrong. They just didn’t care at all because they don’t have morals or empathy. They thought they were cool. A “we’ll show THEM!” Kind of attitude.
ADHD or not, they should pay the consequences.
ADHD does not make you a murder! Their lack of respect for life has nothing to do with that!
@@vonbonbonjager You're looking for the word "MURDERER." You were SOOOOOOO close. Next time. *pats head*
@@Flamsterette Whatever keeps that ego of yours satisfied 😅. I think those who point out flaws in another fail to recognise their own.
@@vonbonbonjager Nope. You're just insecure because you have ADHD. It's okay. Maybe you'll be normal soon.
They're all responsible for Shawn's death!! They all should get the same charge!! But one question: where are these boys parents??
This video give me motivation to train myself so if one day i saw someone terrible, i will be ready.
I hope those kids get taken to the cleaners. 😏
I was born and bread in Britain..I'm very happy to have left 30 years ago having grown up in an inner city. I have a lot of great memories... sadly violence and hate crimes aren't a great foundation for a great life.
Sadly to all concerned in this very sad story on both sides .. A reflection on society on how more powerful and corrupt hierarchies have become more prevalent and disconnected in British society.
Same, and I agree
She said...was on a rival gangs turf, having never been in a gang...let that sink in..how can it be a "rival" if he has no side ?
Saying they had no hope because life wasn't giving them anything is bollicks. Kids went through wars and depressions and didn't do this.
well written Sheri. Completely agree.. They have opportunities, they chose the life they led. They expect everything given to them and have no idea what hard work is.
I'm from a rough estate in Salford... I chose to work hard and prospered immensely financially and also through my career. I could have chosen that life, it would have been easier at the time. They had opportunities definitely and I know that for a fact.
Anytime a life is taken, especially when two or more are involved in the attack and the attack is intentional, those involved should be locked up for the rest of their natural life. No parole, no going to prison for this many years and getting out. If they take a life they forfeit their right to be in society. Or the criminals can opt to be executed instead.
It has nothing to do with being antisocial either. A lot of people like to keep to themselves, but don't have any urge to hurt another human. No excuses.
5:23 I dont get why he said it was low level anti social crime like it looks pretty damn social to me
I say put the children of the corn down before they finish growing, say we all????
Every time that freaking psychologist with the bad hair chimes in I want to scream!
There is so so many kids who think that they could get away with everything but when adult acctualy puts her hands on their throat they cry
I'm not a doctor but in my limited scope of knowledge regarding substance abuse and criminal behaviour, I'd say that most if not all of these kids are suffering from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
From their pictures they almost all show the physical characteristics (small eyes, ear abnormalities, upturned noses, pronounced brows, thin upper lip) of the syndrome, and their behaviour, particularly their lack of remorse or understanding of the consequences of their actions is textbook FAS. The kids involved who don't have the syndrome are probably just too young, stupid and easily influenced to know any better, they're just followers doing what they were told.
Combine that with the fact these kids grew up in some of the poorest parts of Liverpool all but confirms that their mothers more than likely drank heavily during pregnancy. That's not a stereotype, it's a fact.
If these kids really do have FAS it doesn't excuse their behaviour; What they did was still evil, but if that's the case then their parents are every bit to blame, because by continuing to drink while pregnant, they literally created a monster.
Whether I'm right or wrong doesn't really matter at this point; like everyone else I'm just trying to understand why this happened and how it can be prevented in the future.
Where did you get your knowledge? And do you really think you've figured out something that generations of scientists couldn't?
They might seem a bit funny-looking to some people, but they’re British and come from different places than a lot of us. Big deal.
Being poor does not indicate that the mothers drank alcohol.
They were all old enough and “smart” enough to know better, but they did it anyway. Sure, circumstances may have influenced them badly, but they still made a choice to do wrong.
@@coolgirlfrozenfeet If you watch the documentary, they all had very low IQs.
@@OutragedPufferfish Yes, that’s what they said, but they all certainly had the capacity to know right from wrong. Having low intelligence doesn’t make someone a criminal.
@@coolgirlfrozenfeet I'd rather listen to the psychiatrists and judges who worked on these boys than to some average Joe who watched a documentary, thank you very much.
Of course they didn't grasp the magnitude of their crimes in court. They probably knew their sentences were going to be fn pathetic.
They should all rot in prison forever
Most teenage boys are very nice when they're by themselves (or at least, relatively harmless lol) but in a group . . . they become the most spectacular arseholes.
As a mom to two men in their early 20's (who both have large friend groups) this is so true even today! They can be such jerks in a groups, but kind & mindful of others feeling when on their own.
reminds me of young male elephants who start throwing their weight around in the herd. the wise matriarch will attempt to correct their behavior, and if that doesn't work the bull elephant who is usually on the periphery, will step up and send them packing!
moral? Teenagers need responsible adults to teach them right from wrong, and will set clear boundaries of what is acceptable. NO EXCUSES.
good to watch this true-crime documentary,
they weren't too distracted trying and waiting to attack him. Smh
Fourteen minutes in and I've already seen the same photos and video clips a couple dozen times and heard the whole story over and over.
Exactly
Where is the accountability of the adults in their life? If they had a fraction of discipline, love and support the chances of this happening could be almost 0.
MOM AND DAD PROBABLY BUSY WORKING AND NOT TO MENTION THEY ARE POOR.
@@wewenang5167 My father grew up in a very poor family. He didn’t behave like this. He had a job after school to help the family finances. Being poor is not the reason for some behavior.
Hopefully none of them make it out.
Thanks for this great doc. If you'll add subtitles It'd be more great
LIFE should mean Life.
Excellent story, very well argued on both sides. Everything i was thinking, they touched on. Let's hope others learn from this tragedy.
The prison system wont help them rehabilitate those with 69 iQ what a bunch of cowards
The parents were never held accountable? Children need guidance. They were allowed to act like this. Bringing a child up requires constant attention. In this case, the parents should have been on that stand as well as the kids.
Wait, what? A life sentence is only 18 years? That's not right. Blessings to all the families and friends.
Here in denmark. Life sentence is 12 to 16 ridiciously low
You can judge the health of any society by their children ! And to be honest we gave a world full of sick children and societies that are messed up almost beyond repair !
37 min mark: life
38 min mark: 6 to 18 years
39 min mark: life
40 min mark: rehabilitate them
Me: Very confused
I don’t care what anybody says. I’m tired of people making excuses for bad people that hurt or murder innocent people so callously. I don’t care how old they are. If they’re old enough to determine what is right and what is wrong, then they should be held accountable for their actions. Each one of these boys should have received a life sentence and no less. The reason why so many bad things happen to good people is because too many times people like this are let go and given more opportunities to hurt more people because of people like this woman in the video defending their actions by making one excuse after the other.
There is no such thing as “being in the wrong place at the wrong time”.
How so?
Being at the wrong time at the wrong place is more applicable, specially when aliens arrives and rounds us all with marks letter HM or HF or HT, HG & HL
Right sir/mr/mrs/ms. Your honorable good kind self?!
Until you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time
I agree total bullshit statement. I also find it amusing that in the UK they now "have a knife problem". Wtf did ya'll expect when ya took folks firearms?
There are no boundaries for this murderers …Meaning that lack of teaching at their homes gives problems to other innocent children
I had no teaching and never ever think about harming anyone..nice try though! TRY AGAIN.
Gangs in England 🏴. Lucky they are not allowed to carry guns in England. It would be a 2nd USA 🇺🇸
Study show that where there is a high CC law in the community, crime is on the low side. I’m thinking criminals are wary because their intended victim may be armed😀
Wait, a life sentence with a combined 53 years and one getting only 6 years minimum and the oldest getting 18 years? Did I hear that right?
They sure are roasting those kids badly
By human standards my dog has low intelligence. Even she knows right and wrong and understands when she does something she is not supposed to. Acting like their intelligence is low and they don't understand is just an excuse that will never fly by me.
I have carried knives and many of my friends have as well from the age of 6. So far, in over 60 decades, I have yet to murder anyone.
You never know when whittling will go wrong its just a matter of time .
So you’re over 600 years old? Are you a vampire?
@@Tiffanygarris LOL! Oops! Thanks for pointing that typo out. :)
Sometimes people are so cruel and hateful that the victim becomes the perpetrator. Two wrongs are never right.
Why did it take the police more than 6 minutes to attend the scene given the severity of the call and the reputation of the area? That poor kid could have been saved if the tory government hadn't cut frontline police budgets to such an extent that arrival times have been so drastically lengthened. They have blood on their hands and yet still people vote for them.
That poor boy and his family. This shouldn't happen when you're just out doing your washing. I hope the monsters that did this rot.
The problem with youth today is there are NO rules, NO repercussions, NO nothing. Even parents are helpless to stop their children from being naughty. These thugs may be young but they are still thugs and I for one would have no problem giving them a damn good hiding. That is what they need. As a mum, they would never see the light of day again. This should never have happened.
It's not "knife crime" that is the problem.... The lack of value on human life is the problem. No social connections of any true value to their futures is a problem too. Take the knives away, and they'll use sticks and rock if need be, but they'll still commit the crimes if the underlying issues are not addressed.
I'd like to see the stats that really show the numbers who really are rehabilitated in prison. Seems to me that they just learn from others incarcerated how to hone their skills and not get caught next time.
Hopefully they can be rehabilitated to only maime and assault without killing
Hilarious pfft
In the wrong place at the wrong time is rubbish. Anyone should be able to go anywhere at anytime. There should be a curfew for all the antisocial kids and their parents should be held responsible for their whereabouts and behaviour. They should not be allowed to have technology that allows them to communicate with each other.