@@JonCannon he still does that. he constantly had his tongue out at the race of champions, where they often use open helmets. and hey. he made it to the finale this year and only got defeated by a rallye legend.
I’ve never really understood what the “blown diffuser” was until this video, that’s so badass how Seb and RB worked on keeping the throttle engaged through turns to ADD rear traction in that manner.
Its banned but they found a way around it. Back then it, the exhaust used to be part of the diffuser. Then RB made it so, the air on top gets blown, further accelerating the air underneath the car. Same concept, different approach. Now they “banned” it by only allowing exhaust at certain height. Killing the concept. -- If you’re wondering about F-duct, it allows the air to travel from the duct(front of the car) to the rear wing. The air that exits through the wing is going the other way, so it stalls the wing, reducing downforce, which increases the speed on the straights. To activate the F-duct, theres another exit, located in the cockpit, on the side. Since air takes path of least resistance, most of the air will be exiting through the cockpit. So drivers has to block the “hole” using their hands. Its banned now, cause it forces driver to drive with one hand. Now we get DRS instead, only allowing the car thats following behind another(at certain distance) to activate it. Same concept, different approach. Has downsides, car chasing the front pact has harder time catching up if the leading pact keeps breaking away by not attacking each other as much. Pretty much like Bicycle race, except the back is working together. While F1 is fighting to keep their position to score points.
@@azimpetra Actually the first F duct concept was on the Mclaren where the drivers used their leg. It wasn’t until people freaked out in Spain i believe when Alonso drove with one hand that people wanted it banned. I remember this being one of the few concepts people wanted to adapt, with the FIA staying largely quiet. I could be misremembering, it was a decade ago but it would be nice to see that technology develop as opposed to DRS. I always like the joke, I can take my hand off the wheel to change a song but the 20 best drivers in the world cant drive straight with one hand. Ofc now with all the changes on the wheel, more so than even back even then, probably impractical.
Would love to see one for Kimi Raikkonen as well. Arguably one of the fastest F1 drivers in his prime. Would also be really cool to see driving style comparisons between drivers like Lewis and Max or Max and Charles. Keep up the great work!
I feel like Kimi's greatest gift is that if you tell him a lap time, he somehow can hit it to the thousandth, if it is possible. Slow or fast. If it isn't possible he crashes trying to hit it. It's like he has a stopwatch in his brain.
Ngl, I've grown to appreciate the late V8 era cars even more in retrospective. V10's had their high pitched, high power charm, but the double diffuser and blown diffuser were arguably some of the most revolutionary aero solutions in racing history. I kinda wish they stuck around for longer, because they did make for some very exciting racing and allowed cars to generate their own downforce to be able to follow better.
@@Allblue1 I'd say it was just a situation of the right man being in the right car. Kinda like Verstappen these past few years. Most drivers hated that oversteery, front-loaded design philosophy, but Max made it work. Not to mention Vettel's input playing a huge role in the development of the blown diffuser and off throttle blowing. People used to talk about how he'd spend hours analyzing telemetry and footage with his crew to be able to get the most out of the car. People who say the car won him those titles often neglect his role in designing those tailor-made monsters that he could use to their full potential.
If they stayed on the blown diffuser who knows how many championship Vettel would have won maybe even more dominant and win more than 9 races in a row.
Vettel hasn’t struggled with the new turbo hybrid regs as much as this video implies. Yes he struggled in 2014, but he excelled in 2015 and 2017 and finishing over 20 seconds ahead of Raikkonen virtually every race and scored double his points, whilst challenging for the title. 2016 not as much but he still challenged the Merks the way RB drivers can’t without any outside influence. There’s a reason he’s the only driver to challenge the Merks on pure merit for many years
I disagree. Alonso comprehensibly destroyed kimi in 2014, using him as a bar isn't exactly fair. Daniel exposed vettel in 14 and leclerc did the same in 19/20. Once paired with another elite driver, vettel is often left wanting.
This squared off line method works extremely well with 4WD rally cars, especially on stages with plenty of extremely tight turns and hairpins with reasonably straight sections in between. The goal is to minimize lap time, NOT maximize apex speed for the sake of it. Less time spent turning and more spent on longitudinally accelerating = faster average speed over a section, especially when lateral grip is more limited.
that video would be 10+ hour long saga of vague generalizations, they aren't worth discussing if you don't have particular car, racing series and tracks in mind, they are all connected, and you'll end up with a compromise, not the "42" answer that general public is interested in
Always thought Seb was more adaptable than most people give him credit for. He may not have as much raw pace as drivers like Max or Alonso, but he does have something very unique which is his sensitivity and high level of precision in his driving. There’s a natural inclination in him to want to explore what the car can do, as well as what he can do in the car. If he’s able to exploit both sides, that’s when we see Vettel’s potency against others. There are cars and race tracks Vettel has mastered where he constantly is head and shoulders over the rest, e.g. Monaco this year in a backmarker car.
I strongly disagree. Max and Alonso are propably the most adaptable drivers on the grid with Max needing half a lap to get used to a car and Alonso literally changing driving styles between cars. While Vettel was extremely off the pace in the 2014 RedBull 2020 Ferrari and randomly spinning in 2018-2019 Ferrari as well. I think Vettel is one of the most setup/car sensitive guys on the grid but he is extremely competitive in the right car.
@@55marpo I didn't say Vettel is more adaptable than Verstappen or Alonso. But I do think he's more adaptable than many people give him credit for. He's driven cars from different eras, and with the exception of 2014 has always adaptable well to the new regulations. Outside of F1, he takes part in Race of Champions where motorsports champions race in equal machinery - and has never left without winning something.
Seb dominated like there was no tomorrow.. His reign and villain era is something i definitely miss. Such a talented driver. Still can't believe he is leaving the sport. With another veteran gone, only 2 remain. A legendary era coming to an end
Why u making it out like Seb won all 4 titles due to blown diffuser, Red Bull used that only in 2011. Yes in theories RB may have others trick other than that year but Merc surely also found their tricks for success in their car just that other teams doesn't found/exposes their strength for most of the Lewis domination (except for DAS)
@@mysticzz6685 Yeapp RB & mainly McLaren were visibly frustrated the blown diffuser got banned for 2012 so they need another way not to lose too many performances so up comes the Coanda Effect. But Paddy Lowe was more of a leader of the Coanda Effect than RB so we can't say Vettel mastered it easily. Vettel only recovered his form after summer break with some upgrade RB brought to fix the RB8
vettel is imo very adaptable. his biggest weakness is not his skill, it's his head. he simply does not perform, when he is not happy within a team. that's why his 2020 season was such a desaster. he did not feel wanted by the team. in 2022 he missed two races and then had one horrible race in australia which he used to learn the car and from miami onward he was really good. without mick's dive, miami would have been p8 in a horrible car. Edit: most mistakes he did were also, because of his head. especially in 2018, when ferrari dropped the ball in the development race. he was simply overdriving. he wanted more from the car, than it was capable
Well it's been said that drivers never really lose the speed but rather the need. Vettel's weakness is himself. When he's confident, has a suitable car under him, has a team fully backing him, I truly believe there's no one better. He was damn near untouchable in his prime. I think he just lost all motivation after spinning endlessly in Ferrari. Add to the fact that he's a family man, whereas the likes of Lewis and Alonso aren't and are still obsessed with F1, probably played a role into this hunger disappearing. That's how I see it
I agree. Every time Vettel somehow gets into the top five during a race or even gets to Q3, he turns into a speed demon. Not at all performing any worse than the current greats, like Verstappen or Leclerc, or the old greats, like Hamilton and Alonso. He has no physical issues or skill issues - he just doesn't get a kick from being hopelessly behind.
Pretty talented to apply the right amount of throttle while also under braking and keeping control. This was a great Analysis. Many times I have heard the commentators refer to driving styles. But it’s still only through your videos I have began to truely understand what this actually means in real world terms. Thanks for the videos
Awesome video!!! Seb was an absolute master at adopting to any given situation or any car!!! He was the only driver to show up at the Pirelli headquarters to learn how the tyres behave compared to the Bridgestones... This enabled him to look after the tyres better than any other driver on the grid... He was an absolute beast during his Red Bull days especially in 2011. Miss that old Seb 😭😭 #wemissyouseb
Actually, Seb really struggled to adapt to a car with a loser rear end. He was an absolute beast with a those Red Bulls since they had such great rear stability but he struggled to extract the most with the last gen wide cars.
He was good with the tyres in the Redbull years because that car had thebest dow force. Good downforce enables you to manage the tyres better. Unfortunately for Seb he isn't that great at adapting hence his performances in the last year at RB and with Ferrari when he did not have the rear grip or downforce anymore.
He was super at adapting until 2018 when he started to struggle with the rear of his car. But tbh so did his teammates but arguably to a lesser extent (remember Leclercs huge crash in Monza 20?). Grosjean after not getting renewed for Haas back in 2020 revealed that the Haas had a horribly flawed rear suspension that would randomly change the ride height of the car due to changes in temperature. Haas had Ferraris rear suspension so I assume that it was a Ferrari problem too. So I don't know to what extent it was a failure on his part and to how much it was down to that flaw in the car. The toro rosso of 2008 had a very loose rear and he handled that well, the 2009 and 2012 Red Bulls were quite slippery and he handled that well too.
Another advantage of Vettel's driving style at Redbull is that it would save the tyres. One of the biggest challenges for Mark Webber was that he struggled in conserving his tyres as he spent most of his F1 years on tyres that would last aggressive driving. Sebastian Vettel's ability to conserve tyres was instrumental in winning the last 3 of his championships as 2011 was the year Pirelli became the F1 tyre supplier and they were not suited for heavy handed driving.
The chassis/aero of his car during the RB years was definitely the best. The Renault engine? Not so much. But of course, when it comes to successive wins, it's always the best driver in the best car, it's the combination that wins.
The engines where all basically equal during the v8 era around 750 hp i dont ever remember teams driver complain of a power deficit. RB was slower on the straights coz of the drag and downforce they carried
@@ultrascreens5206 Maybe in the last years of the V8s, but the Renault was down on power compared to the Mercedes (maybe a small amount compared to what we saw from the early V6 hybrids).
@@ultrascreens5206 Granted, the differences were nothing like since 2014, but it was known that the Renault engine was down on power compared to the other top teams. And RBR mostly created downforce under the car (blown diffuser etc), and that doesn't create drag. But they did run slightly more downforce (in terms of drag) than some other teams.
I don't think it was in here but his head placement and what he was looking at also contributed to his style. If Seb is going through a right hander, for example, his head isn't tilted towards the headrest like a driver who is taking it traditionally/geometrically. He's looking at the corner exit/corner ahead which helps with that 'square it off' style and direction change. Some good examples are Suzuka 2017 pole lap, Mexico 2017 pole, the fast chicane Albert Park, and Hungary turn 4, just to name a few. It looks really bizarre lol
The problem of 2014 seb was that not only the car wasn't giving him the same feeling and he couldn't trust it as much as the V8s ( dou to the increased weight on the rear of the car which resulted in the lack of rotation and the new BBW brakes ) but also since there was so much more torque from the PU , more drivers went towards using squared off racing line and it wasn't unique to seb anymore. Also the ridiculas gap between mercedes and the rest made him a bit demotivated to try and improve. The move to ferrari despite the difficaulities that it had for him at the end , it refreshed his mind and made him much more motivated and we saw how fast he was in 2015 ( probably the fastest of the year ).
Its pretty much answer every statement like "DR destroy him on 14". His unique driving style just didnt work and adapting never be an easy task. I like how the thing just become a turntable right now like DR driving style didnt work on mcl makes him look a lot worse than lando, in fact i believe they are equally great drivers
I think Seb also adjusted his driving style as his "youthful" driving style was demanding on his body. As you grow older, you learn to use your energy more efficiently. So that also comes with changes to how you do things. I would say we are starting to see this change with Max as well this season.
I have the feeling that when he was at RedBull during that era he was the fastest driver ever. He was doing some monster shit. And his car was, yes the fastest but not by a lot. Ferrari ruined him. Overall great chap, if he made some proper career choices, he might had 1 or more championships. He should have gone to Mercedes or Force India 1-2 years after Ferrari. Force India had the potential but no experience and people or maybe McLaren.
Tbvh Nico Rosberg should've won the 2014 title and retire afterwards, so Sebastian Vettel could join Mercedes in 2015 but he loves Ferrari so much, because of his admiration towards Michael Schumacher (he also admired Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson but he ended up choosing his fellow German, Michael Schumacher after witnessing him win his "controversial" 1st title in 1994)! It doesn't help that Fernando Alonso also left Ferrari after the end of the 2014 season, which gave him (Sebastian Vettel) the golden opportunity to join his childhood hero's team in 2015!
Part of the reason vettel was on the throttle as much (in the red bull) was because of the blown diffuser. He was a master of it. Webber couldn't match him
@@rantanen1 yes thank you. His "on throttle" skills weren't particular prevalent before the blown diffuser. It was that it was described like he had magical throttle before that. He was the master of the blown diffuser. That's all I was saying
@@blaymeister You're literally repeating what is already said in the video, how Vettel worked the throttle to make the most out of the blown diffuser is clearly explained in the video. It just comes across as odd when people chime in with 'facts' in the comments that were already covered in the video
Two key things here in the first 4 minutes that define Vettels career: 1. His driving style is really similar to Michael, well his whole approach to F1 was like Michaels as he was his hero. He knows all the names, works incredible hard and to the last bits and ends to work at every little detail possible, something Michael took to the extrem with testing regulations not anywhere near as strict as today. 2. Seb's main driving style needed a stable or predictable rear end. Something he never had to the extend he needed it at Ferrari, or lets say rarely had. And I think that caused him to spin quite a lot in the later stages of his Ferrari time.
Vettels throttle in the corners sounds like the Turbo era in the 70s and 80s. they also kept in on the throttle while cornering. they spooled up the Turbo to keep it going off the corner immediately. i gotta try the 80s Lotus tonight on my rig hopefully it works in the Game.
These driving style analysis videos are interesting and I'd like to see more of them. One driver in particular whose driving style I'd love to see analysed is Alain Prost, I still can't understand how he was so fast compared to other drivers with more aggressive styles. Both Häkkinen and Coulthard would interest me as well especially if compared against each other on their McLaren days.
One of the other reasons why I’d say Vettel won 4 in a row was he was the quickest not because he was Senna esque and just had raw pace. No that would be Hamilton during that era. Vettel consistently got 95-99% out of the car. Where as Alonso, less so than Hamilton (despite having the fastest car for two years in 2010-2013) both were extracting 100+% out of their cars. Button, Hamilton’s teammate was the more consistent finisher because unlike hammy. Button didn’t over push the car. Kinda all circles around to dichotomy of senna’s car being written off after every race where as prost’s could continue for another full race distance. There are two ways to be fast. 1. Consistency and calculation and 2. Pushing the car beyond it’s limits. Only later on in his career did Hamilton figure out how to follow the Prost school of thought. And that’s what set him apart from his contemporaries.
You're out of your mind if you think Hamilton was as good as Alonso and Vettel between 2010-2013. Hamilton is a one trick pony who as we've seen this season can't impact results when he's forced to attack or defend. Clean air specialist.
@@richy69ify have you seen the 2010 season Hamilton was on par with all the other champion contenders that season only that he over pushed in Spain and had a wheel puncture which cost him 18 points on the penultimate lap. If his team didn’t pull that poor late call pitstop in Australia he would’ve been 2nd or at the very least 3rd instead of 6th (-10 or 8 points depending how you look at it.) so by Alonso’s 2nd win that season in the 11th round hockenheimring the one where Massa was asked to pull to the side for Alonso for Alonso to even have a chance at winning. Hamilton should’ve had a 75+ point lead over the driver that was favored to win that season and Alonso is a great great driver, Hamilton is just in a different league. Hamilton drove way way worse in 2011 but had a lot of off the track dramas contributing to that. His ambition was always to be champion and there were things holding him back including his own team Mclaren. Hamilton’s Mercedes stint speaks for itself
@@hamcrazy96 Hamilton can't defend or attack. He was shown up by Alonso last season, Mick Schumacher this season. At Silverstone he also defended badly losing 3 places by over doing it. His only skill is very quick laps in clean air when the tyres allow.
Sebastian is a text book Grand Prix driver but not a raw racer like Schumacher or Hamilton👌🏻 his wheel to wheel combat and race craft has been patchy. He reminds me more of Prost than anything - extremely calculating
Great content, I would like to say that this year, Leclerc having all the downforce with this new car makes more of a v shape curve as Verstappen did last year. Geometric like was in the last two years as Verstappen Is driving a bit more rounded this year. Quite a turnover ain't it? I loved your previous explanation of how Alonso drived for Renault in 2005; besides the balance of the car and what Vettel - Alonso used as a technique, the result is quite similar as they love rotating the car into the corner like a bomb-dive. All this is quite interesting as when the car permits, the drivers that have the balls, impose their intent to the car knowing the car will repeatedly respond as they wish. Here I could put on attention Hamilton going flatout in the corners at spa with another artpiece car (video that went viral again these days); by 3rd,4,5ºth corner at Suzuka again Hamilton where the masterpiece Mercedes had so much grip it was visible eyesight, Ricciardo late braking with the red-bull, and these are only from the last decades. Dear @The Race, I would like and love to see an comparison of side by side or ghost cars or even trajectory from the best moments of brilliance of these drivers as those could highlight every individuality. However not knowing what pedals are being pressed and how it's a bit pitty as maybe for the young generations could be very instructive. Sorry for the long comment, I hope I didn't annoy anyone.
@Lucian Tabria The good drivers are fast in the right cars. The greats are fast in everything. Alonso and Lewis are amongst the most adaptable drivers ever in f1. Their long careers across regulatory changes proves this.
@T S according to the media (don't ask whom but trust me [I don't remember]) Leclerc changed as new car arrived; while Lewis I don't know that much as I always saw him so gentle with the tires, a v shape corner I don't know how much would help into tire saving strategy but you know, a high aerodynamic charge is useful even in that context (talking about precedent seasons for Merc). I think one that is a bit late nowdays is Carlos as I don't see that much of a flick into direction change at corners. Maybe it's only my impression.
@@Bahamuttiamat I learned that it's better to never give things as sold to easy, you might find some surprises and get amazed from the capacity of some people. Some drivers that you could think are just brave or average might surprise you in the same situation of the champion with even less experience. It's a combination of everything together skills, support, car, and luck. See how Lewis stole the championship from Massa at the last corners from the last lap, you could put everything perfectly together but without a bit of fortune it wouldn't be possible to get that home.
@@Bahamuttiamat ArE yOu SaYiNg ThAt VeTtEl iS oVeRaTeD yOu VeTtEl HaTeR. But to be honest, are not wrong. Seb is not one of the greats. He is a good driver, and a top 10 in history, but absolute not one of the greats.
around 3min mark you miss VERY important part of that particular driving "style" (explaining it later though), because it isn't so much as drivers choice to drive that way, it was the way the car was designed - and I mean - exhaust blowing, it required the driver to be on the throttle and engine producing lots of exhaust gasses for the aero to work and produce the downforce it did - the blown diffuser saga so it wasn't so much as a driving style, it was much more about the whole design of that car, it required him to drive that way
He did say at 4:40 that during that period(2010-2013) It was all right place and right time for Vettel. But your explanation makes it much more clear. So the car was made to be driven like that, which explains the absolute domination of Vettel during those days.
A bit oversimplified, late apexing (a deeper more squared of line) maybe beneficial when cars are traction limited like all F1 cars are. The "racing line" though is also about road camber, elevation changes, the following corner and characteristics of the car. It's a good watch and predictability is of the utmost importance for drivers who like to apex later than average though rear stability is wash. A small wiff of gentle oversteer on entry isn't a bad thing up to 80% or so slip and doesn't require correction as long as the rear holds and when acceleration transfers weight to back it hooks up quite nicely. A car like this doesn't understeer into a corner because it's already started rotating at the rear and mid corner in transition it goes into a 4w drift and by the time full power is applied as the car transitions to understeer the corner is mostly done with, speed is picking up and downforce steadies it out. This is all quite good on tires as well as... enough. This is getting long winded and is probably a waste of time talking about things in such detail. Good video, very entertaining if not superlative or that enlightening technically. Thumbs up.
This is a great follow up to your Verstappen video, which illustrates similar concepts such as the squared off line - really great diagrams this time around!
I've seen all of your videos regarding the different driving styles and they are all brilliant. I've got the idea, that alonso's period during his Renault days, is probably the most complex and exquisite approach from all drivers in the modern era of f1. I'm not sure if hamilton, vettel, Schumacher, would be able to adapt and become world champions with that car. From a fan perspective, i think it would be amazing to go in detail, and maybe explain how difficult it was for Alonso, to move from Renault into McLaren in 07, because it seems to me, he had to dramatically change is driving style to keep up with a new car. Awsome video. Thanks
By no means I am an expert on explaining vettel's dominance, but one small technical thing I believe was missed in this explanation is that, He was keeping his platform of car bit more flatter before putting his power down, rotation or braking meaning he wasn't putting too much load on his car for longer period of time.. And when you are successful to achieve it , car will stop fractional earlier, accelerate faster and changes its direction fractional earlier!....
the thing is, the aero is always a factor. at slow speeds, teh aero does very little, so you don't mind going down to a slower apex speed but being on teh throttle earlier, you also can brake better by keeping the car in a straight line... there's no abs. This effect is especially strong for corners before a long straight. you want to start the straight with as much speed as possible, which is benefitted for the whole length of that straight
Hi man, I noticed Max was 3-5 faster on his outlaps against all drivers. The only driver that came close was Lecrec after first pitstop, but that was still 1.5 seconds slower. Can you make a video analysing how Max is able to have such insane outlap?
Either he is simply very good at driving on cold tires (remember the French GP 2021 outlap) or the RB just heats up the tires very quickly, or a combination of btoh
if you look closely on vettels onboard or head movement you could actually see vettels interesting head position . While most drivers would focus on the apex off the corner, vettel focused on the exit of the corner allowing him to gain a incredible exit out of the corner
The only objection I have is the notion that he had the hands down best care during all of his four titles. If you look at the statistics, you see thats not true for at least 2 seasons. He was by far the best at scoring points but wasnt in a serial winner car like the Mercs were from 2014 to 2020. the second half of the 2013 season fools a lot of people into thinking that because that is when RB decided to attempt a clean sweep while everybody else already shut off and focused on the radically new cars of the turbo hybrid era.
There is a video in UA-cam, some one has made a video in Monza with the Formula 1 V8 exhaust diffuser sound. And therr you can see Vettel the only one from all who brakes much later than the other drivers. Crazy and scary to see it
@@Euclides287 for 2008, 2009, 2010 and most of 2012 the car had no sort of blown diffuser effect. And arguably he was the best driver in all of those seasons except for 2012, where he was still on a high level but Alonso was a tiny bit better.
@@jamiemelin6949 Hamilton was the best in 2012 but just got massively unlucky. He was outqualifying his teammate by an average of half a second every race
That's a good point. Sadly, it didn't matter, because Mark was one of the worst starters in the history of the sport. The man just could not get away from the line in a clean and timely manner. I can't tell you how many Aussie hearts were broken watching Mark put it on pole and then be P4 before T1. 😔
never knew i had a driving style like seb , plus in the newer f1 games when i am too aggresive it always spun this was not a problem driving the older cars
Sebastian ferrari era wasn't just those spins. You didn't even mention seb destroying kimi in 2015 and 17 in cars kimi wasn't having understeer problems like 2014. If seb had a better car between 2015 and 2019 , he would've won more titles.
There are two problems with that statement 1. Kimi wasn't as ambitious as his early year, after leaving lotus, he pratically just drive without any further motivation 2. In terms of car, Seb had a great one that could gave challenge to mighty Mercedes. The problem is Ferrari themselves, they're just way too screwed up
The car was built for seb.... It's immature to say one driver destroyed another when the role of the latter was just to be the rear gunner and do what he can with the car made for the first guy ... Barichello, Massa, Kimi, Bottas and now Perez too
Really enjoyed this video. Great explanation. I would enjoy a comparison video too-perhaps comparing Vettel, Verstappen, Danny Ric. I've heard Verstappen referred to as tending to drive a square racing line too. And Riccardo clearly seemed to suit the Red Bull better than the cars he has driven since. So, I'd love to know if they all have similar styles and if that just suits the general design philosophy Adrian and his team have or if it's a bit of coincidence.
It’s also important to mention redbull had a workaround for the blown diffuser when off the throttle - it would keep the throttle bodies open when off throttle, to pump air through the exhaust. Eventually they even trickled exhaust gas into the manifold like antilag. Vettel didn’t have to trail the throttle. The car did it for him until the blown diffuser was banned.
I believe the RB7 was mapped to have 10-12% throttle even when the driver fully lifted. It wasn't the fastest car in a straight line and was down on HP but it was a monster in a braking zone.
@driver61 - Could you make a video to explain why verstappen was that much faster than cheko but also the rest of the grid in Spa 2022? amazing that he won with 17 sec lead while starting from the back.
I would like to see a clip of Vettel doing the path at 2:05. It seems completely unrealistic as you’ve drawn a double apex basically, with the first apex imaginary and outside on the track unnecessarily? That mistake is why there is a straight line that makes it look like a square which is obviously not realistic for a race car. It would normally still be quite curved if the line was a correct late apex line. You can still have a later apex without having to go so far out, and that is what the f1 drivers do (later apex) rather than go out that far and accelerating way before actually hitting the apex at the inside of the track. And if the red line is the fastest way around the track why don’t I see anybody doing anything that resembles it? For example at 3:11 that looks like Vettel drove more like the white line than the red line at 2:05 And at 1:53 the Schumacher? clip you use to make the point is actually a real double apex and hence a more squared off corner requiring a squared off racing line, as he needs to hit the actual apexes twice, and very different to the small hairpin you use in the illustration . Any driver would double apex that corner irregardless of driving style. And the first racing line in white Color doesn’t have a gradual entry curve spiral like the red so I feel both are not correct. The white line you drew also misses the apex by quite a bit and seems more like an early apex even, so doesn’t seem fair to compare it to the red line which touches the apex I also think it’s not driving style that wins the championship like the title says, it’s just that the driver is very good and can drive the car how it wants to be driven at the limit. Just like you said how he had to adapt to different cars. Likewise any good driver would adapt their style to drive a certain car as fast as they can.
He was very good at Red Bull and early in his Ferrari days, but he has slumped since then and replaced at Ferrari. He was disappointed at the lack of interest from top teams after Ferrari.
A comparison to make is MotoGP and how V4 engine bikes (e.g. Ducati) square corners all the time - go deep, look like they are going to miss the apex only to launch out of the corner in a straight (ish) line.
No wonder Sebastian Vettel didn't give a sexy name for his car this year, like he usually did from 2008 until last year... It turns out to be the first sign of his potential retirement! Awww... He will be deeply missed! #dankeseb
Reasonable video. Summation a bit quick in that Vettel struggled at Red bull in 2014 when the rules changed, then improved in Ferrari the very next season. 2016 wasn't so great, then he bounced back in '17, before things fell apart at the season's end (his fault and Ferrari's). As a driver, Vettel completely fell apart in 2018, and has come back since. Off topic - After 4:10, there's a bit about how an understeery car won't go well with this driving style. I go back to the McLaren Alonso/Vandoorne partnership, and I think it explains why the gap between them suddenly opened in their 2nd season together. Alonso likes an understeery car, and with his prompting, McLaren followed that path. As a result, Vandoorne - with his Vettel like style - couldn't go so quickly.
You did say in a previous video that max and lweis also use this line, now lewis uses the geometric line? I feel like there was not much work done making this video
SV had a style more adapting to N/A machinery, the hybrids really struggled him because he needed to accelerate in a different manner. Hamilton had the luck to have a really dominating car so he adapted way easier in the hybrid era. Vettel on the other hand in 2015-2016 had a car which suited him better with more front end grip, though in 2017-2018 Ferrari built a very challenging car to drive which was easier for Raikkonen since Kimi has a very pointy and precise style through the corner and only makes corrections when the rear is loose. Vettel wants oversteer but also wants to make corrections so with a car which sacrificed front end grip for better aero through corners he had some trouble keeping it in place. In 2014 for instance the opposite happened to Raikkonen, the car was so grippy at the front end and combined with the very problematic torque delivery from the engine at the time it understeered at the entry as Alonso wanted but oversteered very violently because the power delivery of the engine was so badly set. Anyway ranking the drivers with preference to front end grip, Alonso is the most needy in that part, Vettel/Hamilton are very similar to their driving preference and i have to add near Schumi set up, Raikkonen though has a very demanding style which has less front end and a very pointy nose through entry, which is the optimal for aero development on a car, Max's style is also similar to that part.
I first followed F1 in 1970. I believed it was a sport in which the most skillful drivers won. The skills that mattered were smoothness, accuracy, endurance, bravery, perseverance, etc. Only the best could achieve this. I watched quite a few top-level races in the US with the best international drivers and I noticed that very few could achieve this dance of near perfection. It was visible. My own driving today still follows the joy of smoothness and accuracy. It is fun. I never think of tire life. I don’t drive like a madman. Now tire management is the only concern of F1. The champion is he who best manages tire wear. This is boring. You will never come home from a drive and think, "God, I really managed those tires." Bring back F1!
Vettel is now a father of 3. before that he was a killer : look at his eyes in 2013 and now...not the same man. still one of the best drivers after 2020 but could not be the first, even with a top team
You forgot to mention that his pace improves by 200% every time he sticks his tongue out around a corner.
Wait a minute, has this been substantiated by the man himself?
@@scarslikereminders It's a joke from when Seb was the star in a reasonably priced car on an old episode of Top Gear
@@scarslikereminders he drove a bond car and drift with tongue out
@@JonCannon he still does that. he constantly had his tongue out at the race of champions, where they often use open helmets. and hey. he made it to the finale this year and only got defeated by a rallye legend.
Aerodynamicssss
I’ve never really understood what the “blown diffuser” was until this video, that’s so badass how Seb and RB worked on keeping the throttle engaged through turns to ADD rear traction in that manner.
Its banned but they found a way around it. Back then it, the exhaust used to be part of the diffuser.
Then RB made it so, the air on top gets blown, further accelerating the air underneath the car. Same concept, different approach.
Now they “banned” it by only allowing exhaust at certain height. Killing the concept.
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If you’re wondering about F-duct, it allows the air to travel from the duct(front of the car) to the rear wing.
The air that exits through the wing is going the other way, so it stalls the wing, reducing downforce, which increases the speed on the straights.
To activate the F-duct, theres another exit, located in the cockpit, on the side. Since air takes path of least resistance, most of the air will be exiting through the cockpit.
So drivers has to block the “hole” using their hands.
Its banned now, cause it forces driver to drive with one hand.
Now we get DRS instead, only allowing the car thats following behind another(at certain distance) to activate it.
Same concept, different approach. Has downsides, car chasing the front pact has harder time catching up if the leading pact keeps breaking away by not attacking each other as much.
Pretty much like Bicycle race, except the back is working together.
While F1 is fighting to keep their position to score points.
@@azimpetra very cool piece of engineering.
Fart
@@azimpetra Actually the first F duct concept was on the Mclaren where the drivers used their leg. It wasn’t until people freaked out in Spain i believe when Alonso drove with one hand that people wanted it banned. I remember this being one of the few concepts people wanted to adapt, with the FIA staying largely quiet. I could be misremembering, it was a decade ago but it would be nice to see that technology develop as opposed to DRS.
I always like the joke, I can take my hand off the wheel to change a song but the 20 best drivers in the world cant drive straight with one hand. Ofc now with all the changes on the wheel, more so than even back even then, probably impractical.
Seb did what? The car did it all.
Would love to see one for Kimi Raikkonen as well. Arguably one of the fastest F1 drivers in his prime. Would also be really cool to see driving style comparisons between drivers like Lewis and Max or Max and Charles. Keep up the great work!
For Kimi,from what i read,he just want a car can oversteer so much that he can kinda drift with it every corner
i wouldn't say arguably one of the fastest. i would say arguable the fastest. especially in that early to mid 2000 era.
I feel like Kimi's greatest gift is that if you tell him a lap time, he somehow can hit it to the thousandth, if it is possible. Slow or fast. If it isn't possible he crashes trying to hit it. It's like he has a stopwatch in his brain.
@@thatayrellguy3023 Thats rubbish No F1 driver like to “drift”.
@@sultanabran1 Very much wish I had been an F1 while he was in his prime. Love the raw talent
Ngl, I've grown to appreciate the late V8 era cars even more in retrospective. V10's had their high pitched, high power charm, but the double diffuser and blown diffuser were arguably some of the most revolutionary aero solutions in racing history. I kinda wish they stuck around for longer, because they did make for some very exciting racing and allowed cars to generate their own downforce to be able to follow better.
LOL i thought people were gonna say the car won him 4 titles. Not his style but yes both and we all love the V10's.
@@Allblue1 I'd say it was just a situation of the right man being in the right car. Kinda like Verstappen these past few years. Most drivers hated that oversteery, front-loaded design philosophy, but Max made it work. Not to mention Vettel's input playing a huge role in the development of the blown diffuser and off throttle blowing. People used to talk about how he'd spend hours analyzing telemetry and footage with his crew to be able to get the most out of the car. People who say the car won him those titles often neglect his role in designing those tailor-made monsters that he could use to their full potential.
If they stayed on the blown diffuser who knows how many championship Vettel would have won maybe even more dominant and win more than 9 races in a row.
Vettel hasn’t struggled with the new turbo hybrid regs as much as this video implies. Yes he struggled in 2014, but he excelled in 2015 and 2017 and finishing over 20 seconds ahead of Raikkonen virtually every race and scored double his points, whilst challenging for the title. 2016 not as much but he still challenged the Merks the way RB drivers can’t without any outside influence. There’s a reason he’s the only driver to challenge the Merks on pure merit for many years
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I disagree. Alonso comprehensibly destroyed kimi in 2014, using him as a bar isn't exactly fair. Daniel exposed vettel in 14 and leclerc did the same in 19/20. Once paired with another elite driver, vettel is often left wanting.
He wanted to leave RBR, hence 2014 "struggle" - similar in 2020 - lack of motivation, knowing he was fired
@@Bahamuttiamat Well; I don't know in 2012 and 13 Kimi was driving really well. About as well as his McLaren and earlier Ferrari days.
@@saiyerugara9038 Earlier ferrari days? Losing to masa? Is that really the bar? Kimi has never put in the work his talent required.
This squared off line method works extremely well with 4WD rally cars, especially on stages with plenty of extremely tight turns and hairpins with reasonably straight sections in between. The goal is to minimize lap time, NOT maximize apex speed for the sake of it. Less time spent turning and more spent on longitudinally accelerating = faster average speed over a section, especially when lateral grip is more limited.
Ah so you have noticed that about rally cars to tarmac rally cars are a good example I've been using that technique myself for decades 😎👍
Well, Vettel recently had an "icy" race against Loeb and he lost by a really close margin (considering he never drove competitively on that surface).
Let's hope Seb does some rallying next year. I'd love to watch him there
Why does it work better on right turns?
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Typo. Fixed.
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that video would be 10+ hour long saga of vague generalizations, they aren't worth discussing if you don't have particular car, racing series and tracks in mind, they are all connected, and you'll end up with a compromise, not the "42" answer that general public is interested in
I need this so I can get better at car setup in the simulator
@@lucatitoq4781 there are videos about setups about each sim and you can always steal setups
@@HeavyMetalGamingHD yeah I know, but I want to learn how to do it myself
@@lucatitoq4781 As I said, there are good videos about every game.
Always thought Seb was more adaptable than most people give him credit for. He may not have as much raw pace as drivers like Max or Alonso, but he does have something very unique which is his sensitivity and high level of precision in his driving. There’s a natural inclination in him to want to explore what the car can do, as well as what he can do in the car. If he’s able to exploit both sides, that’s when we see Vettel’s potency against others. There are cars and race tracks Vettel has mastered where he constantly is head and shoulders over the rest, e.g. Monaco this year in a backmarker car.
I strongly disagree. Max and Alonso are propably the most adaptable drivers on the grid with Max needing half a lap to get used to a car and Alonso literally changing driving styles between cars. While Vettel was extremely off the pace in the 2014 RedBull 2020 Ferrari and randomly spinning in 2018-2019 Ferrari as well. I think Vettel is one of the most setup/car sensitive guys on the grid but he is extremely competitive in the right car.
Vettel’s raw pace is much superior than max and alonso. You probably started watching F1 from last year 🤣🤣
@@55marpo I didn't say Vettel is more adaptable than Verstappen or Alonso. But I do think he's more adaptable than many people give him credit for. He's driven cars from different eras, and with the exception of 2014 has always adaptable well to the new regulations. Outside of F1, he takes part in Race of Champions where motorsports champions race in equal machinery - and has never left without winning something.
@@ransomsdp Vettel in 2010 and 2012 in a car much faster than Alonso only won the championship on the last race
@@ransomsdp Vettel is struggling against Stroll and got humiliated by Leclerc twice, don't even compare him to Alonso and Max.
A great 4x champion that has ended his career with real class. Wish him all the best beyond F1.
I think he'll be back in 1-2 years when he get any offer from any good team.
@@rakib9420 nah he won't
@@rakib9420 I like your thinking. It’s definitely a possibility based on him saying if the car is good then I’ll be staying… so he left 🤣
@@rakib9420 No other team wants him except Aston Martin, so keep dreaming, Sebboy.
We'll see
He's definitely adaptable, even if you watch the race of champions performances he does pretty well against drivers from other disciplines too
Seb dominated like there was no tomorrow.. His reign and villain era is something i definitely miss. Such a talented driver. Still can't believe he is leaving the sport. With another veteran gone, only 2 remain. A legendary era coming to an end
True. Max is starting to become a veteran but who knows how much time we have left with alonso and Hamilton. And what a legend Vettel is!
@@rayyan1495Vettel = the best
There was nobody who mastered the blown diffuser better than Seb. He went godmode between 2011 and 2013
Why u making it out like Seb won all 4 titles due to blown diffuser, Red Bull used that only in 2011. Yes in theories RB may have others trick other than that year but Merc surely also found their tricks for success in their car just that other teams doesn't found/exposes their strength for most of the Lewis domination (except for DAS)
@@zariqeezham9210 Red bull and all other team still used blown diffuser in 2012-2013 through coanda effect and RBR and McLaren got the best of it
@@mysticzz6685 Yeapp RB & mainly McLaren were visibly frustrated the blown diffuser got banned for 2012 so they need another way not to lose too many performances so up comes the Coanda Effect.
But Paddy Lowe was more of a leader of the Coanda Effect than RB so we can't say Vettel mastered it easily. Vettel only recovered his form after summer break with some upgrade RB brought to fix the RB8
Seb's adaptability isn't bad imo. He adapted to the 2015 Ferrari without any problem. It's after Hockenheim 18 that he started s🅱inning like crazy
vettel is imo very adaptable. his biggest weakness is not his skill, it's his head. he simply does not perform, when he is not happy within a team. that's why his 2020 season was such a desaster. he did not feel wanted by the team.
in 2022 he missed two races and then had one horrible race in australia which he used to learn the car and from miami onward he was really good. without mick's dive, miami would have been p8 in a horrible car.
Edit: most mistakes he did were also, because of his head. especially in 2018, when ferrari dropped the ball in the development race. he was simply overdriving. he wanted more from the car, than it was capable
Yep. This is exactly it.
This is exactly that but these new F1 fans would disagree because they know nothing about the sport
Well it's been said that drivers never really lose the speed but rather the need. Vettel's weakness is himself. When he's confident, has a suitable car under him, has a team fully backing him, I truly believe there's no one better. He was damn near untouchable in his prime. I think he just lost all motivation after spinning endlessly in Ferrari. Add to the fact that he's a family man, whereas the likes of Lewis and Alonso aren't and are still obsessed with F1, probably played a role into this hunger disappearing. That's how I see it
I agree. Every time Vettel somehow gets into the top five during a race or even gets to Q3, he turns into a speed demon. Not at all performing any worse than the current greats, like Verstappen or Leclerc, or the old greats, like Hamilton and Alonso. He has no physical issues or skill issues - he just doesn't get a kick from being hopelessly behind.
Sebastian is one of my favorite drivers. Seems like a good person and always enjoyed his driving style.
Pretty talented to apply the right amount of throttle while also under braking and keeping control. This was a great Analysis. Many times I have heard the commentators refer to driving styles.
But it’s still only through your videos I have began to truely understand what this actually means in real world terms.
Thanks for the videos
Awesome video!!! Seb was an absolute master at adopting to any given situation or any car!!! He was the only driver to show up at the Pirelli headquarters to learn how the tyres behave compared to the Bridgestones... This enabled him to look after the tyres better than any other driver on the grid... He was an absolute beast during his Red Bull days especially in 2011. Miss that old Seb 😭😭 #wemissyouseb
Actually, Seb really struggled to adapt to a car with a loser rear end. He was an absolute beast with a those Red Bulls since they had such great rear stability but he struggled to extract the most with the last gen wide cars.
Master at adapting? Lol what. He is literally the opposite of that. He isn’t very good at adapting, he can only perform if the car suits him.
He was good with the tyres in the Redbull years because that car had thebest dow force. Good downforce enables you to manage the tyres better.
Unfortunately for Seb he isn't that great at adapting hence his performances in the last year at RB and with Ferrari when he did not have the rear grip or downforce anymore.
He was super at adapting until 2018 when he started to struggle with the rear of his car. But tbh so did his teammates but arguably to a lesser extent (remember Leclercs huge crash in Monza 20?).
Grosjean after not getting renewed for Haas back in 2020 revealed that the Haas had a horribly flawed rear suspension that would randomly change the ride height of the car due to changes in temperature. Haas had Ferraris rear suspension so I assume that it was a Ferrari problem too.
So I don't know to what extent it was a failure on his part and to how much it was down to that flaw in the car.
The toro rosso of 2008 had a very loose rear and he handled that well, the 2009 and 2012 Red Bulls were quite slippery and he handled that well too.
@@jamiemelin6949 Was he good at adapting in 2014?
Another advantage of Vettel's driving style at Redbull is that it would save the tyres. One of the biggest challenges for Mark Webber was that he struggled in conserving his tyres as he spent most of his F1 years on tyres that would last aggressive driving. Sebastian Vettel's ability to conserve tyres was instrumental in winning the last 3 of his championships as 2011 was the year Pirelli became the F1 tyre supplier and they were not suited for heavy handed driving.
The chassis/aero of his car during the RB years was definitely the best. The Renault engine? Not so much.
But of course, when it comes to successive wins, it's always the best driver in the best car, it's the combination that wins.
Renault helps RBR to make the blown diffuser more effective
The Renault engine was very fuel efficient though, so often they could run less fuel and have less weight at the start of the race
The engines where all basically equal during the v8 era around 750 hp i dont ever remember teams driver complain of a power deficit. RB was slower on the straights coz of the drag and downforce they carried
@@ultrascreens5206 Maybe in the last years of the V8s, but the Renault was down on power compared to the Mercedes (maybe a small amount compared to what we saw from the early V6 hybrids).
@@ultrascreens5206 Granted, the differences were nothing like since 2014, but it was known that the Renault engine was down on power compared to the other top teams. And RBR mostly created downforce under the car (blown diffuser etc), and that doesn't create drag. But they did run slightly more downforce (in terms of drag) than some other teams.
I don't think it was in here but his head placement and what he was looking at also contributed to his style. If Seb is going through a right hander, for example, his head isn't tilted towards the headrest like a driver who is taking it traditionally/geometrically. He's looking at the corner exit/corner ahead which helps with that 'square it off' style and direction change.
Some good examples are Suzuka 2017 pole lap, Mexico 2017 pole, the fast chicane Albert Park, and Hungary turn 4, just to name a few. It looks really bizarre lol
Even today I don't think there has been a stronger driver + car combo, than during the vettel blown diffuser era.
The Most Awaited Driver's Style video is here now
And it was released now
The problem of 2014 seb was that not only the car wasn't giving him the same feeling and he couldn't trust it as much as the V8s ( dou to the increased weight on the rear of the car which resulted in the lack of rotation and the new BBW brakes ) but also since there was so much more torque from the PU , more drivers went towards using squared off racing line and it wasn't unique to seb anymore. Also the ridiculas gap between mercedes and the rest made him a bit demotivated to try and improve. The move to ferrari despite the difficaulities that it had for him at the end , it refreshed his mind and made him much more motivated and we saw how fast he was in 2015 ( probably the fastest of the year ).
He still had some good drives like 15th to 4th in Spain and Singapore but Ricciardo was very good that year.
@paper plane yeah but that was wet
@@saiyerugara9038 that spain race was amazing. They should've named that turn 10 to Vettel corner
Its pretty much answer every statement like "DR destroy him on 14". His unique driving style just didnt work and adapting never be an easy task. I like how the thing just become a turntable right now like DR driving style didnt work on mcl makes him look a lot worse than lando, in fact i believe they are equally great drivers
I think Seb also adjusted his driving style as his "youthful" driving style was demanding on his body. As you grow older, you learn to use your energy more efficiently. So that also comes with changes to how you do things.
I would say we are starting to see this change with Max as well this season.
I have the feeling that when he was at RedBull during that era he was the fastest driver ever. He was doing some monster shit. And his car was, yes the fastest but not by a lot.
Ferrari ruined him.
Overall great chap, if he made some proper career choices, he might had 1 or more championships.
He should have gone to Mercedes or Force India 1-2 years after Ferrari. Force India had the potential but no experience and people or maybe McLaren.
are you actually saying Seb should’ve gone to McLaren in 2016 ???
McLaren would have been a disaster no matter who they hired to drive the car. That Honda engine was hot garbage.
@@virgilthemob1242 Aaa yes, I forgot the Honda engine.
Well. At that time, you had virtually no other option. If you don't drive for Mercedes, you won't be able to win titles
Tbvh Nico Rosberg should've won the 2014 title and retire afterwards, so Sebastian Vettel could join Mercedes in 2015 but he loves Ferrari so much, because of his admiration towards Michael Schumacher (he also admired Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson but he ended up choosing his fellow German, Michael Schumacher after witnessing him win his "controversial" 1st title in 1994)! It doesn't help that Fernando Alonso also left Ferrari after the end of the 2014 season, which gave him (Sebastian Vettel) the golden opportunity to join his childhood hero's team in 2015!
Part of the reason vettel was on the throttle as much (in the red bull) was because of the blown diffuser. He was a master of it. Webber couldn't match him
...yes... that was said in the video, did u watch the video?
@@rantanen1 yes thank you. His "on throttle" skills weren't particular prevalent before the blown diffuser. It was that it was described like he had magical throttle before that. He was the master of the blown diffuser. That's all I was saying
@@rantanen1 I hate it when people just repeat what was said in the video to sound knowledgeable. Waste of a comment.
@@blaymeister You're literally repeating what is already said in the video, how Vettel worked the throttle to make the most out of the blown diffuser is clearly explained in the video. It just comes across as odd when people chime in with 'facts' in the comments that were already covered in the video
@@rantanen1 that's fair enough
Two key things here in the first 4 minutes that define Vettels career:
1. His driving style is really similar to Michael, well his whole approach to F1 was like Michaels as he was his hero. He knows all the names, works incredible hard and to the last bits and ends to work at every little detail possible, something Michael took to the extrem with testing regulations not anywhere near as strict as today.
2. Seb's main driving style needed a stable or predictable rear end. Something he never had to the extend he needed it at Ferrari, or lets say rarely had. And I think that caused him to spin quite a lot in the later stages of his Ferrari time.
Where is the other half of the video? It would be very interesting to see how he adapted his driving style to the ferrari cars
Not gonna lie, there was a time when I couldn’t stand Seb. But, his skill and achievements are legendary and I will miss seeing him race.
Vettels throttle in the corners sounds like the Turbo era in the 70s and 80s.
they also kept in on the throttle while cornering. they spooled up the Turbo to keep it going off the corner immediately.
i gotta try the 80s Lotus tonight on my rig hopefully it works in the Game.
how did it go?
I Loved it but these cars are not nice to race close.
These driving style analysis videos are interesting and I'd like to see more of them. One driver in particular whose driving style I'd love to see analysed is Alain Prost, I still can't understand how he was so fast compared to other drivers with more aggressive styles. Both Häkkinen and Coulthard would interest me as well especially if compared against each other on their McLaren days.
Great comment! I'd love to know about that, too!
One of the other reasons why I’d say Vettel won 4 in a row was he was the quickest not because he was Senna esque and just had raw pace. No that would be Hamilton during that era. Vettel consistently got 95-99% out of the car. Where as Alonso, less so than Hamilton (despite having the fastest car for two years in 2010-2013) both were extracting 100+% out of their cars. Button, Hamilton’s teammate was the more consistent finisher because unlike hammy. Button didn’t over push the car.
Kinda all circles around to dichotomy of senna’s car being written off after every race where as prost’s could continue for another full race distance.
There are two ways to be fast. 1. Consistency and calculation and 2. Pushing the car beyond it’s limits.
Only later on in his career did Hamilton figure out how to follow the Prost school of thought. And that’s what set him apart from his contemporaries.
You're out of your mind if you think Hamilton was as good as Alonso and Vettel between 2010-2013. Hamilton is a one trick pony who as we've seen this season can't impact results when he's forced to attack or defend. Clean air specialist.
@@richy69ify hammy was quicker. But he’d push the car way to hard and that’s one of the main reasons why he kept having breakdowns and Button didn’t.
@@richy69ify have you seen the 2010 season Hamilton was on par with all the other champion contenders that season only that he over pushed in Spain and had a wheel puncture which cost him 18 points on the penultimate lap. If his team didn’t pull that poor late call pitstop in Australia he would’ve been 2nd or at the very least 3rd instead of 6th (-10 or 8 points depending how you look at it.) so by Alonso’s 2nd win that season in the 11th round hockenheimring the one where Massa was asked to pull to the side for Alonso for Alonso to even have a chance at winning. Hamilton should’ve had a 75+ point lead over the driver that was favored to win that season and Alonso is a great great driver, Hamilton is just in a different league. Hamilton drove way way worse in 2011 but had a lot of off the track dramas contributing to that. His ambition was always to be champion and there were things holding him back including his own team Mclaren. Hamilton’s Mercedes stint speaks for itself
@@hamcrazy96 Hamilton can't defend or attack. He was shown up by Alonso last season, Mick Schumacher this season. At Silverstone he also defended badly losing 3 places by over doing it. His only skill is very quick laps in clean air when the tyres allow.
Awsome Video! I will miss him in the sport❤
we all must stop and appreciate all content creators who put progress bars at the Ad runs. Just plain amazing!!!
this series is what got me into your channel, thank you for doing this scott❤️
Scott, Mr. Driver 61. Your content is just simply the absolute best F1 stuff on youtube. Brilliant video. Keep up the great work.
Seb is definitely one of the best drivers in F1's history.
Agreed
Obvi
Sebastian is a text book Grand Prix driver but not a raw racer like Schumacher or Hamilton👌🏻 his wheel to wheel combat and race craft has been patchy. He reminds me more of Prost than anything - extremely calculating
Top 20 maybe
@@christiansimmons630 Prost was one level above Vettel.
As a F1 fan who knows very little about driving your videos are excellent at explaining complex ideas👍
Great content, I would like to say that this year, Leclerc having all the downforce with this new car makes more of a v shape curve as Verstappen did last year. Geometric like was in the last two years as Verstappen Is driving a bit more rounded this year. Quite a turnover ain't it? I loved your previous explanation of how Alonso drived for Renault in 2005; besides the balance of the car and what Vettel - Alonso used as a technique, the result is quite similar as they love rotating the car into the corner like a bomb-dive. All this is quite interesting as when the car permits, the drivers that have the balls, impose their intent to the car knowing the car will repeatedly respond as they wish. Here I could put on attention Hamilton going flatout in the corners at spa with another artpiece car (video that went viral again these days); by 3rd,4,5ºth corner at Suzuka again Hamilton where the masterpiece Mercedes had so much grip it was visible eyesight, Ricciardo late braking with the red-bull, and these are only from the last decades. Dear @The Race, I would like and love to see an comparison of side by side or ghost cars or even trajectory from the best moments of brilliance of these drivers as those could highlight every individuality. However not knowing what pedals are being pressed and how it's a bit pitty as maybe for the young generations could be very instructive. Sorry for the long comment, I hope I didn't annoy anyone.
@Lucian Tabria The good drivers are fast in the right cars. The greats are fast in everything. Alonso and Lewis are amongst the most adaptable drivers ever in f1. Their long careers across regulatory changes proves this.
@T S according to the media (don't ask whom but trust me [I don't remember]) Leclerc changed as new car arrived; while Lewis I don't know that much as I always saw him so gentle with the tires, a v shape corner I don't know how much would help into tire saving strategy but you know, a high aerodynamic charge is useful even in that context (talking about precedent seasons for Merc). I think one that is a bit late nowdays is Carlos as I don't see that much of a flick into direction change at corners. Maybe it's only my impression.
@@Bahamuttiamat I learned that it's better to never give things as sold to easy, you might find some surprises and get amazed from the capacity of some people. Some drivers that you could think are just brave or average might surprise you in the same situation of the champion with even less experience. It's a combination of everything together skills, support, car, and luck. See how Lewis stole the championship from Massa at the last corners from the last lap, you could put everything perfectly together but without a bit of fortune it wouldn't be possible to get that home.
@@Bahamuttiamat ArE yOu SaYiNg ThAt VeTtEl iS oVeRaTeD yOu VeTtEl HaTeR. But to be honest, are not wrong. Seb is not one of the greats. He is a good driver, and a top 10 in history, but absolute not one of the greats.
Explains his pace at monza, perfect track for it
It would be awsome to see vettel drive his 2010 rb car as a Farwell before the end of the season
I would love to see it! Tbvh I still dislike 2010 F1 cars (I was 9 at that time) but the RB6 is the only exception because of how beautiful it was!
around 3min mark you miss VERY important part of that particular driving "style" (explaining it later though), because it isn't so much as drivers choice to drive that way, it was the way the car was designed - and I mean - exhaust blowing, it required the driver to be on the throttle and engine producing lots of exhaust gasses for the aero to work and produce the downforce it did - the blown diffuser saga
so it wasn't so much as a driving style, it was much more about the whole design of that car, it required him to drive that way
He did say at 4:40 that during that period(2010-2013) It was all right place and right time for Vettel. But your explanation makes it much more clear. So the car was made to be driven like that, which explains the absolute domination of Vettel during those days.
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A bit oversimplified, late apexing (a deeper more squared of line) maybe beneficial when cars are traction limited like all F1 cars are. The "racing line" though is also about road camber, elevation changes, the following corner and characteristics of the car.
It's a good watch and predictability is of the utmost importance for drivers who like to apex later than average though rear stability is wash. A small wiff of gentle oversteer on entry isn't a bad thing up to 80% or so slip and doesn't require correction as long as the rear holds and when acceleration transfers weight to back it hooks up quite nicely. A car like this doesn't understeer into a corner because it's already started rotating at the rear and mid corner in transition it goes into a 4w drift and by the time full power is applied as the car transitions to understeer the corner is mostly done with, speed is picking up and downforce steadies it out. This is all quite good on tires as well as... enough.
This is getting long winded and is probably a waste of time talking about things in such detail.
Good video, very entertaining if not superlative or that enlightening technically.
Thumbs up.
great explanation
This is a great follow up to your Verstappen video, which illustrates similar concepts such as the squared off line - really great diagrams this time around!
Thank you for this great video. Seb will be truly missed on the track.
Love, love, LOVE your Driving Style analysis videos...always excited to see a new upload, and always eager to see more!
I enjoy these videos so much! Thank you!
POG IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS
do kimi raikkonen, gilles villeneuve and ronnie peterson + compare their car control
Lots of oversteer, nice!
I've seen all of your videos regarding the different driving styles and they are all brilliant.
I've got the idea, that alonso's period during his Renault days, is probably the most complex and exquisite approach from all drivers in the modern era of f1.
I'm not sure if hamilton, vettel, Schumacher, would be able to adapt and become world champions with that car.
From a fan perspective, i think it would be amazing to go in detail, and maybe explain how difficult it was for Alonso, to move from Renault into McLaren in 07, because it seems to me, he had to dramatically change is driving style to keep up with a new car.
Awsome video. Thanks
By no means I am an expert on explaining vettel's dominance, but one small technical thing I believe was missed in this explanation is that,
He was keeping his platform of car bit more flatter before putting his power down, rotation or braking meaning he wasn't putting too much load on his car for longer period of time.. And when you are successful to achieve it , car will stop fractional earlier, accelerate faster and changes its direction fractional earlier!....
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the thing is, the aero is always a factor. at slow speeds, teh aero does very little, so you don't mind going down to a slower apex speed but being on teh throttle earlier, you also can brake better by keeping the car in a straight line... there's no abs. This effect is especially strong for corners before a long straight. you want to start the straight with as much speed as possible, which is benefitted for the whole length of that straight
Hi man, I noticed Max was 3-5 faster on his outlaps against all drivers. The only driver that came close was Lecrec after first pitstop, but that was still 1.5 seconds slower. Can you make a video analysing how Max is able to have such insane outlap?
Either he is simply very good at driving on cold tires (remember the French GP 2021 outlap) or the RB just heats up the tires very quickly, or a combination of btoh
if you look closely on vettels onboard or head movement you could actually see vettels interesting head position . While most drivers would focus on the apex off the corner, vettel focused on the exit of the corner allowing him to gain a incredible exit out of the corner
The only objection I have is the notion that he had the hands down best care during all of his four titles. If you look at the statistics, you see thats not true for at least 2 seasons. He was by far the best at scoring points but wasnt in a serial winner car like the Mercs were from 2014 to 2020. the second half of the 2013 season fools a lot of people into thinking that because that is when RB decided to attempt a clean sweep while everybody else already shut off and focused on the radically new cars of the turbo hybrid era.
There is a video in UA-cam, some one has made a video in Monza with the Formula 1 V8 exhaust diffuser sound. And therr you can see Vettel the only one from all who brakes much later than the other drivers. Crazy and scary to see it
He really mastered the V8s
blown diffuser*
@@Euclides287 for 2008, 2009, 2010 and most of 2012 the car had no sort of blown diffuser effect.
And arguably he was the best driver in all of those seasons except for 2012, where he was still on a high level but Alonso was a tiny bit better.
@@jamiemelin6949 Hamilton was the best in 2012 but just got massively unlucky. He was outqualifying his teammate by an average of half a second every race
More driving style videos please!
We need to see also why webber was so good at the high speed corners out qualifying seb consistently at places like spa or silverstone
Consistently? Really?
That's a good point. Sadly, it didn't matter, because Mark was one of the worst starters in the history of the sport. The man just could not get away from the line in a clean and timely manner. I can't tell you how many Aussie hearts were broken watching Mark put it on pole and then be P4 before T1. 😔
@@danielssonsgarage 2010 and 2012 more so
never knew i had a driving style like seb , plus in the newer f1 games when i am too aggresive it always spun this was not a problem driving the older cars
I want to try this out at karting tomorrow! Thanks for the analysis! :)
Sebastian ferrari era wasn't just those spins. You didn't even mention seb destroying kimi in 2015 and 17 in cars kimi wasn't having understeer problems like 2014. If seb had a better car between 2015 and 2019 , he would've won more titles.
There are two problems with that statement
1. Kimi wasn't as ambitious as his early year, after leaving lotus, he pratically just drive without any further motivation
2. In terms of car, Seb had a great one that could gave challenge to mighty Mercedes. The problem is Ferrari themselves, they're just way too screwed up
The car was built for seb.... It's immature to say one driver destroyed another when the role of the latter was just to be the rear gunner and do what he can with the car made for the first guy ...
Barichello, Massa, Kimi, Bottas and now Perez too
He would’ve won 2017 without reliability issues and the tyre failure at Silverstone.
Really enjoyed this video. Great explanation.
I would enjoy a comparison video too-perhaps comparing Vettel, Verstappen, Danny Ric. I've heard Verstappen referred to as tending to drive a square racing line too. And Riccardo clearly seemed to suit the Red Bull better than the cars he has driven since. So, I'd love to know if they all have similar styles and if that just suits the general design philosophy Adrian and his team have or if it's a bit of coincidence.
It’s also important to mention redbull had a workaround for the blown diffuser when off the throttle - it would keep the throttle bodies open when off throttle, to pump air through the exhaust. Eventually they even trickled exhaust gas into the manifold like antilag.
Vettel didn’t have to trail the throttle. The car did it for him until the blown diffuser was banned.
I love these driving style videos 👐
I believe the RB7 was mapped to have 10-12% throttle even when the driver fully lifted. It wasn't the fastest car in a straight line and was down on HP but it was a monster in a braking zone.
Can you do a comparison of 2 main styles of attacking a corner and their driver example?
Kimi Raikkonen had / has the ultimate driving style.
He finds the limit on the front axle in a way I've never seen.
@driver61 - Could you make a video to explain why verstappen was that much faster than cheko but also the rest of the grid in Spa 2022? amazing that he won with 17 sec lead while starting from the back.
I would like to see a clip of Vettel doing the path at 2:05. It seems completely unrealistic as you’ve drawn a double apex basically, with the first apex imaginary and outside on the track unnecessarily? That mistake is why there is a straight line that makes it look like a square which is obviously not realistic for a race car.
It would normally still be quite curved if the line was a correct late apex line.
You can still have a later apex without having to go so far out, and that is what the f1 drivers do (later apex) rather than go out that far and accelerating way before actually hitting the apex at the inside of the track. And if the red line is the fastest way around the track why don’t I see anybody doing anything that resembles it?
For example at 3:11 that looks like Vettel drove more like the white line than the red line at 2:05
And at 1:53 the Schumacher? clip you use to make the point is actually a real double apex and hence a more squared off corner requiring a squared off racing line, as he needs to hit the actual apexes twice, and very different to the small hairpin you use in the illustration . Any driver would double apex that corner irregardless of driving style.
And the first racing line in white Color doesn’t have a gradual entry curve spiral like the red so I feel both are not correct. The white line you drew also misses the apex by quite a bit and seems more like an early apex even, so doesn’t seem fair to compare it to the red line which touches the apex
I also think it’s not driving style that wins the championship like the title says, it’s just that the driver is very good and can drive the car how it wants to be driven at the limit. Just like you said how he had to adapt to different cars. Likewise any good driver would adapt their style to drive a certain car as fast as they can.
Great explanation!
One of the hardest styles to perfect. A tiny mistake will cost you more time then the standard line.
He was very good at Red Bull and early in his Ferrari days, but he has slumped since then and replaced at Ferrari. He was disappointed at the lack of interest from top teams after Ferrari.
A comparison to make is MotoGP and how V4 engine bikes (e.g. Ducati) square corners all the time - go deep, look like they are going to miss the apex only to launch out of the corner in a straight (ish) line.
Great insight 👏👏👏👏
can you explain Lando Norris driving style next? please
Great video! Miss Seb already...
No wonder Sebastian Vettel didn't give a sexy name for his car this year, like he usually did from 2008 until last year... It turns out to be the first sign of his potential retirement! Awww... He will be deeply missed! #dankeseb
I'm waiting for an explanation of GOATIFI, Stroll and Mazespin driving styles.
Basically the combination between Vettel and the pre 2014 Red Bulls we're absolutely perfect. But he has not had as predictable of a car since
I'd be curious to see a comparison between the cornering lines driving for a high grip F1 car vs an AWD electric like the Rimac Nevera.
We could see this style in full motion in Austin 2022, while Vettel was battling with KMag.
Good analysis. I get annoyed when people go with the super played out and lazy “but it’s the car” argument.
I wish this was longer
i would have liked to see more of a real world top-down view. the graphics were helpful but I didn't get much out of the F1 clips
Reasonable video. Summation a bit quick in that Vettel struggled at Red bull in 2014 when the rules changed, then improved in Ferrari the very next season. 2016 wasn't so great, then he bounced back in '17, before things fell apart at the season's end (his fault and Ferrari's). As a driver, Vettel completely fell apart in 2018, and has come back since.
Off topic - After 4:10, there's a bit about how an understeery car won't go well with this driving style. I go back to the McLaren Alonso/Vandoorne partnership, and I think it explains why the gap between them suddenly opened in their 2nd season together. Alonso likes an understeery car, and with his prompting, McLaren followed that path. As a result, Vandoorne - with his Vettel like style - couldn't go so quickly.
RB blown diffuser helps him a lot to have much more cornering speed
Danial Ricardo also have same strategy... 🤘🔥
Nice video
You did say in a previous video that max and lweis also use this line, now lewis uses the geometric line?
I feel like there was not much work done making this video
Kinda feels like basically being the best driver of the two driving the best car, nets you a whole of world championships
Ah yes been waiting for this
SV had a style more adapting to N/A machinery, the hybrids really struggled him because he needed to accelerate in a different manner. Hamilton had the luck to have a really dominating car so he adapted way easier in the hybrid era. Vettel on the other hand in 2015-2016 had a car which suited him better with more front end grip, though in 2017-2018 Ferrari built a very challenging car to drive which was easier for Raikkonen since Kimi has a very pointy and precise style through the corner and only makes corrections when the rear is loose. Vettel wants oversteer but also wants to make corrections so with a car which sacrificed front end grip for better aero through corners he had some trouble keeping it in place. In 2014 for instance the opposite happened to Raikkonen, the car was so grippy at the front end and combined with the very problematic torque delivery from the engine at the time it understeered at the entry as Alonso wanted but oversteered very violently because the power delivery of the engine was so badly set. Anyway ranking the drivers with preference to front end grip, Alonso is the most needy in that part, Vettel/Hamilton are very similar to their driving preference and i have to add near Schumi set up, Raikkonen though has a very demanding style which has less front end and a very pointy nose through entry, which is the optimal for aero development on a car, Max's style is also similar to that part.
I first followed F1 in 1970. I believed it was a sport in which the most skillful drivers won. The skills that mattered were smoothness, accuracy, endurance, bravery, perseverance, etc. Only the best could achieve this. I watched quite a few top-level races in the US with the best international drivers and I noticed that very few could achieve this dance of near perfection. It was visible. My own driving today still follows the joy of smoothness and accuracy. It is fun. I never think of tire life. I don’t drive like a madman. Now tire management is the only concern of F1. The champion is he who best manages tire wear. This is boring. You will never come home from a drive and think, "God, I really managed those tires." Bring back F1!
Vettel is now a father of 3.
before that he was a killer : look at his eyes in 2013 and now...not the same man.
still one of the best drivers after 2020 but could not be the first, even with a top team
Can you please do a similar video on Max 🙂 and maybe the other next gen racers like Norris, GR, and Lec. That'd be awesome
he already did one on Verstappen
I want to see sep in a redbull again.. even if just for testing.
Would love to see a video about Kamui Kobayashi