Both SpaceX and Rocketlab seem to be straight from KSP. Honestly I hold Nasa in high regard but that these small companies are breaking all these records makes Nasa seem a bit incompetent after all these years of really not doing much. It's a great lesson on what happens when people really go after a goal instead of just catering to the whims of Politicians.
@@johannesdolch The trouble with NASA is the same of any government work, or nationalized companies. Their hands become tied from the whims of politicians rather than follow things that make sense, their leaders are politically appointed and instead of having a lean and efficient organization, they have the typical bureaucratic opposite of efficiency and leanness that cripples the last chance of success. It's a small wonder the organization functions at all.
Used to work there (Rocket Lab) as a propulsion engineer. Neat to see how far they've come :) Really like the electric turbopump. As you point out Tim, this would be _fantastic_ for controlled landings, with near-millisecond responsiveness for thrust level.
AntiangelRaphael No, I don't believe they are targeting reusability... _yet_ ; they're only targeting the nascent small-sat market currently (small rockets just don't have the mass fraction necessary to enable that and still deliver useful payload mass, as Tim pointed out in the video!). That being said, this is likely to be largely because they didn't have much funding at first so it was really the only viable business plan. After they start generating some real income I can definitely see them wanting to branch out, as they're very ambitious (were when I was there, and this certainly doesn't appear to have changed.... more the opposite I'd think!) - they've got the key technologies mostly in place, and that electric turbopump innovation would, as mentioned, give them a real edge in perfecting vertical landings
As a New Zealander I'm very excited about Rocket Lab & the future of the space industry in my country. I love how they work in little bits of kiwi symbols or imagery into their work (from the black colour of the rocket to the naming of the engines after our greatest scientist). Also well done on the pronunciation of Māhia!
At least you kiwis have a rocket program. Australia is to lazy. Although there have been talks about a program I don’t recon it’s going to happen any time soon. I hope it’s soon though.
KIngJoe - Well, there's a Kiwi subsidiary of a US company that launches NZ-designed US-manufactured rockets and engines from a NZ launch complex only because it has permission to launch with high frequency. It's great to see but it's not quite the same things as saying NZ has a a rocket program. I'm sure Aussie will get there with something called the Roo Rocket.
KingJoe * check out gilmour space technologies on the gold coast. Their hybrid rocket engine is looking pretty great. Maybe us Aussies will have an orbital rocket in the not too distant future.
Well researched, intelligent, high production values, just enough over the top to be entertaining without being ridiculous... Kudos, good sir, for your most excellent videos!
I have a feeling that, even though Peter Beck and Rocket Lab never tire of saying they are "laser focused" on the smallsat market, I am almost certain that they have something bigger in store - that they just aren't telling us about yet. Here's why. (1) They have a history of being scrappy and innovative: First all-carbon fiber orbital rocket. First electric pumped engines. First with fully 3d printed engines. They developed, patented, and probably used in their kick stage, a patented propellant type: Viscous Liquid Monopropellant, which has higher claimed ISP than any other practical non-solid monoprop. (2) They have a history of keeping fairly big things secret. Nobody knew about Humanity Star or the kick stage until after the launch. (3) They have already filed a patent for a rocket engine called "Einstein." Rocket Lab has the right DNA to do big things in space. They just choose not to advertise everything that they're working on. Blue Origin's motto is "Gradually Ferocious", SpaceX's should be "Mars or Bust", and Rocket Lab's seems to be "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
@@kalletaimi5094 Well, I wasn't right about VLM in the kick stage (Peter Beck answered that question for me in a Reddit AMA a while back!) but I do stand by my statements that, in spite of all they've revealed since then, including 1st stage recovery, Neutron, and Human spaceflight ambitions(!!!!), they probably have *even bigger* things in store that they haven't revealed yet. At this point, they might not catch SpaceX, but they might well catch Blue Origin. (Maybe they'll call their 3rd rocket, even bigger than Neutron, and fully reusable, "Alpha" after alpha particles!)
I've watched the "Still Testing" aborted and successful launch. I was just wonderful. I cannot wait for the next launch! I even ordered the official Rocket Lab stamps from the New Zealand Post. They should be there in a few days!
Nice! The calculations about cost per kg are debatable, since you cannot order a 5M falcon 9 rocket to put your small sat into space, you would have to rideshare.
I've been going through everyday astronaut withdraw lol. I really need to join the patron group when I get paid. Well worth the money because my 5 year old son love watching your videos with me.
Eric Decamps I believe it's in the description above and you get a lot of extras and exclusive content. Like I said I'm going to do it for sure
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Dude, you are getting better in every video. I'm impressed! Loving this kind of super informative, with information scrapped, that I never heard in anywhere video format. Thanks!!!
Being an Aussie, I'm excited about the fact that a private space launch company wants to launch regularly from the southern hemisphere. That was a very well researched presentation, Tim. Thanks.
It's fun to compare different rockets. However, I think you should have emphasized the different mission statement more. SpaceX's mission is to get to Mars, doing so as cheap, large and fast as humanly possible! That means SpaceX leaves a gap in the market for other companies to fill. Like small payloads, fast construction/ordering time and small distances. But indeed like you did mention, being the only client on the payload. Wich is preferable for a lot of customers I would imagine. Hope you don't mind some constructive criticism, love your work. Big fan!
Good point. Comparing SpaceX and Rocket Lab as they currently operate is like comparing a truck company to a motorcycle company. They have completely different mission capabilities and limitations. In addition SpaceX has several very different launch systems either available or in development. They are complimentary operations more than competing ones so the "versus" label isn't quite accurate. But very good video from Tim as usual.
I'm sorry to say but the official SpaceX live videos are boring to death. Many people on space groups on Facebook keep recommending your channel and now I know why. Both live and edited videos are great!
Ok. Go then, open a coffee shop and sell coffee for 22$ a cup. People will be like: I ll go to Jeffersonbucks, because now I can give my money to someone else than starbucks!
How much did the first pocket calculator cost? And how do its price and features compare to what you can get in the school-supplies aisle at the supermarket today? Things get better and cheaper with time. Rational adults understand this. You... have a lot of hate inside you, don't you? Maybe you... *like* the idea of a monopoly? Maybe, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, the TV presenter who pretends to be a Real Scientist, you believe Only Governments Can Go To Space? Maybe you think nobody should ever do anything without some government's permission? You watch these videos, you have the time and energy to comment on them, and you can't be happy that more people are finding more ways to get more use from space? Are you... what, throwing a tantrum because no one's offering you a free ride to Barsoom? I really can't understand where all your venom is coming from. Elon appears to share the Prophet Heinlein's philosophy that "the planet Earth is too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in." I would expect a space enthusiast to be enthusiastic about *anything* that, directly or indirectly, increases the odds of getting off this rock before something kills us all.
How d, everyday astronaut, where are you dude just noticed it's been 3 weeks since your last video, I hope everything is going good and would love an update on when your posting your next video, love all your work. thank you for the massive amount of effort that you put into every one of your video's and I hope I speak for everyone when I say your one of the very best you tubers out there and it's a massive privilege to watch and enjoy all your hard work and your enthusiasm. keep up the great work.
My heart sank at the sight of the cake falling cause the disappointed expression on your face was just ahhhhhh i understand it was on purpose but still
KSP taught me so much about rockets and orbits. Apoapsis and Periapsis, Delta V, Hohmann transfers, solid fuel vs liquid fuel and how oxidisers work, mono propellant and thrusters, the list goes on... Such a valuable and revolutionary education tool with a fun game style theme and progression. I've gotten over seeing pure KSP videos but its refreshing to see you use them briefly for explaining real life concepts. You need more subs cause your videos are excellently made. I will use them as inspiration when I move into rocket science for my own videos. Fun facts: Apoapsis is the universal name for the highest point of an orbit. apogee is the word explaining the apoapsis when you are orbiting earth and aphelion is when orbiting the sun.
AWW, just watched your talk yesterday and now noticed the photos on the wall including the "I always knew what I wanted to be...". :) Also, thanks for pointing out another awesome company I hadn't heard anything about so far!
It feels really great to see more private companies sending thing to space. It makes me think of the amazing things that humanity will do in the future that they will probably take for granted. The future is bright, everyone!
I'd say RocketLab is similar to the Dollar Tre, while SpaceX is Walmart. Obviously, we shop at Dollar Tree for cheap things just to "get the job done", "quick", and "convenience". Meanwhile, it takes longer to shop at Walmart, hence "long-cashier-line", "need to find a parking spot", but we get better stuff and of course more "variety items" By "variety items" I meant such as "desired-orbit". These two companies co-exist, Dollar Tree & Walmart, RocketLab & SpaceX, they are all there, not for competition but for overall wellness!!! Thanks for the great video!!!
I'm so excited that a company like Rocket Lab exists! SpaceX is cool and all, but I'd assume that most people who want to put a satellite into orbit would also want to put it up there quickly.
Omg!!!! I've had a videochat with Peter beck!!!! (that's the guy who designed and built it, and leads the company) bet ur jealose😋 Greetings from New zealand
Digital Pyro Not really, for now Rocket Lab is only on the light comercial side of things. Meaning it can't do much for space exploration, but SpaceX was also there once and Rocket Lab does have some really cool technologies which would be awesome if they manage to scale them to a medium/heavy orbital class launch veichel.
Digital Pyro I'm with you. I've been saying for a few years now: I *will* go to the moon some day in my life! I don't even need to land. I really want to see the Earth from the same perspective that I look up and see the moon every night. I want to see the massive moon under me and the small Earth in the distance. I'd be happy just swinging around the moon to get this view.
Andy Oliphant Exactly that! But I'd love to actually walk on the lunar surface as well. I don't know, everytime I think of it I feel strange. Just imagine seeing the earth come up from a place so far away from home. With Elon in this world, I am very confident that I will actually be doing this. Even if this means that I have to save up money for 50 years to do so
Hi Tim, ROCKETLAB is great (I'm a kiwi engineering graduate so I obviously applied the heck out of them), but I have a little story. When they were just getting started, they were looking for experienced engineers to teach the young kids, and they invited my dad to be involved (he's been around). He went and quizzed them, and concluded that they had very little understanding of the extensive simulation, analysis and verification procedures done by larger aerospace companies. He called it a "suck it and see" approach, so certainly no comparison to spacex in terms of engineering thoroughness as well as your other points. Presumably this has changed a bit or they'd have never gotten FAA/CAA approval, but he was so unimpressed he actually advised me against applying as a graduated, as he thought it would train me into bad habits.
I think it's awesome to see the space industry shifting into private companies hands. And I look forward to seeing you bringing us the best news and information about space exploration!
The whole video I was like “ how come I’ve never seen anything about this electron rocket” then I seen the size comparison of the electron and the falcon 9. “Oh that’s why”
This video need a revised follow-up. Things are moving so quickly that I suspect most if not all of the sats, pros/cons, costs, etc. have significantly changed.
The electron is by far my favourite rocket at the moment. I can't reach them (rocket lab) -- maybe they will read here -- but I'd love to suggest a couple of ideas for their engineers to ponder: (1) Landing the first stage: Figure out how to make rotating blades (in place of grid-fins, or a ring-fin) that can dump energy back into the first stage batteries by rotating once low enough in the atmosphere; no other rocket has a means of energy storage like this, so they'd might as well try using it. If the blades could be made to counter-rotate, then there would be no torque on the body, and stored energy could be sent back into the blades to land the vehicle much like a helicopter (with possible assistance from Rutherford or gas thrusters). This would make use of the batteries a second time, making up for the fuel their weight displaces and allowing a recovery of S1. (2) Second stage energy generation: Use the temperature difference between exhaust gases and cryogenic oxidizer, combined with the much larger surface area of a vacuum engine, to produce power using thermoelectric generators. It's true they are not very efficient, but at the temperature differentials here they might be able to produce enough power, especially considering there is only one turbo-pump. Because the Rutherfords are 3-d printed, incorporating the generators into the bell may be much easier than trying to apply them to a machined bell. It would be interesting to see if this could produce enough power, and if so, how much payload it would free up by the removal of batteries. Perhaps if they make it light enough, even a partial offset of power could be achieved on the first stage using a similar system. I think ultimately, powering the second stage turbo-pump with a heat differential, helicoptering stage 1 back to earth, and being able to reuse it, will make the electron the ultimate lightweight launch system. [edit: forgot to mention, with cryogenic oxidizer they could also use high temperature superconducting components in the turbopump motor] In the far future, once they've figured out how to helicopter S1s back down, they could do an Electron-Heavy! Like a mini- falcon9! How cool would that be!!!!!??? If not that advanced, then at least 2 solid fuel boosters to increase that precious payload to above 1000kg.
And Rocket Lab, being the cool kids they are, stream their launches for you to see on UA-cam! Great for Aussies who never see the U.S. launches because they're always at 2AM!
That doesn't always happen though, or if it does often the second customers pay a hugely discounted price because the rocket isn't going into a useful orbit for anyone when it's launching.
Well if SX wants to send a bunch of cubes into LEO, and companies share the price, it's business. Doesn't seem they're doing that much except to fill a few empty spots. They're sending REAL and HEAVY SATELLITES into orbit FOR REAL COUNTRIES! (Like the NRO, NASA, Saudi, Europe, Kazahkstan, etc.) Not for 14 year old's with a dream.
One advantage of aerial launch (eg: Pegasus) is convenience: "Any orbit anytime." Rather than reusability, this might be a more practical next step for Rocket Labs' R&D efforts. BTW, names like "Mark Rocket" are called *aptonyms*; you can find lists of them online.
I came across you Tim by chance and have since watched a few of your videos and lives, I knew hardly anything about space flight but I'm learning loads thanks to you. Keep making videos that help to explain rocket science and everything that encompasses to people like me, you explain it so well in such basic ways that's easy to follow 👍
I love that you depicted the Crew Dragon on the Block 5 Falcon 9 - I would have made the same choice! ('Course, I've got a Crew Dragon on my Falcon Heavy model rocket - a configuration which will never be launched... :-( ). As usual, you did the best job I've seen yet of breaking-down the cost per kg to orbit; a detailed, but interesting description of the features of the Electron, etc. I ALWAYS learn something from your videos - and I consider myself better-informed than most on space history and new developments. Great job, as always!
Would LOVE to see a mid year review of the top 6 space agencies who have stated their intention to perform Manned Mars Missions. You already cover his popular topic so no need for a deep dive but just a sum up and some fun rating of what you think their chances are. Maybe ask Vintage Space to offer her ratings too and you could poll your Patreons. You could do one every 6 months to keep track... A long range countdown to the Mars race.
Minor correction, Electron is the 3RD privately developed rocket company to get to orbit, SpaceX was second, but the First was Orbital Science with their Pegasus Rocket!
Hope you ate the cake, wasting food always makes me sad :-3 Extra kudos if you tell me the plate was barely below the frame and the cake wasn't injured! EDIT: Could be worse, I'm fine with that, would eat it. I'm sure you took a pic before ruining the glazing anyway, since you're a pro photographer! :-)
Since spacex latest test I got to your channel, and basically go through all of your videos, and it is really great and informative to me till now! Thanks! That Spanish donut space vehicle is rather interesting would like to know more about that indeed.
AntiangelRaphael just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad the SRB have a lot of thrust it also is very cheep and the sls engines are very reliable now they have there disaventages but it's still pretty good
AntiangelRaphael true the solid boosters are really toxic but it's really tested and for its engines nasa knows how to use them and reuseabilty for solid rocket booster is imposible because once they ingnited they can't be throttled or turned off because the sls engines it self can't really do any thing an less its in the higher atmosphere so solid rocket boosters are amazing but I do agree they should be a development of another type of rocket boosters I have heard a organization trying to make a safer rocket boosters that are almost as powerful as a regular solid booster
Sam Farley, I have been following Spacex since its inception. Ground floor. Huge fan but I would happily recognize the accomplishments of another space access company that could find a way to do it better/faster/cheaper. Its called progress. Who did you like before Spacex? Nasa, the European Space Agency, Russia, China, Japan? India perhaps. I doubt you followed most of those. I did. "Best launch provider" for what? Care to specify? Government, commercial communications, science, private, spacecraft? Care to elaborate? Do some reading and get back to me. A lot of reading
It seems pretty misleading to state that the falcon 9's payload dollar/kg ratio will improve in the future because of reusability, when you're giving us the maximum payload for an expendable falcon 9, and not a reusable one. This seems to be a recurring mistake when talking about the falcon 9, and I hoped you would explain the nuance behind the dollar per kg value better...
But currently SpaceX charges the same for expendable or reused. So it doesn’t matter to the customer. I explained that they hope to eventually pass the savings down to the customer. So for now, from the customer’s side, it’s fair to quote as is
I read somewhere that the cost of an expendable launch is 80 million or a little more, I can't remember exactly or where I read it, may have been twitter. Also I think there is no good reason for reducing the price of a falcon 9 launch as they need all the money they can get to develop the BFR. They are already by far the cheapest launch provider so the main reasons a company might choose another provider is reliability and perhaps shorter waiting times? If spacex can prove their reliability over the next say 30 launches so they have a streak of 52 successful launches and clear their launch backlog they will surely dominate the current launch market even without reducing the price. I hope they can get their streak to 100 by the end of 2019. :-) And I look forward to a $5million launch price for the BFR, but lets keep the falcon 9 price to get there faster...
I thought he was saying that at max payload all of the fuel in the booster is burned, therefore none is left to land the booster. Is this true? If so, maybe the max payload with enough fuel to land the booster should be used in calculating the cost per kg.
"Still Testing" sounds like a rocket name straight from KSP.
Also kind of reminds me of The Culture ship names
kulang sa pansin bobo😒
Both SpaceX and Rocketlab seem to be straight from KSP. Honestly I hold Nasa in high regard but that these small companies are breaking all these records makes Nasa seem a bit incompetent after all these years of really not doing much. It's a great lesson on what happens when people really go after a goal instead of just catering to the whims of Politicians.
OMG DUDE I WATCHED YOUR VIDEOS LOTS OF TIMES WHY DON'T U UPLOAD MORE
@@johannesdolch The trouble with NASA is the same of any government work, or nationalized companies. Their hands become tied from the whims of politicians rather than follow things that make sense, their leaders are politically appointed and instead of having a lean and efficient organization, they have the typical bureaucratic opposite of efficiency and leanness that cripples the last chance of success. It's a small wonder the organization functions at all.
Used to work there (Rocket Lab) as a propulsion engineer.
Neat to see how far they've come :)
Really like the electric turbopump. As you point out Tim, this would be _fantastic_ for controlled landings, with near-millisecond responsiveness for thrust level.
That’s awesome!!! Yes. Yes they would!
AntiangelRaphael No, I don't believe they are targeting reusability... _yet_ ; they're only targeting the nascent small-sat market currently (small rockets just don't have the mass fraction necessary to enable that and still deliver useful payload mass, as Tim pointed out in the video!). That being said, this is likely to be largely because they didn't have much funding at first so it was really the only viable business plan. After they start generating some real income I can definitely see them wanting to branch out, as they're very ambitious (were when I was there, and this certainly doesn't appear to have changed.... more the opposite I'd think!) - they've got the key technologies mostly in place, and that electric turbopump innovation would, as mentioned, give them a real edge in perfecting vertical landings
My question is, what happens to the batteries that get ejected? Do they fall back to Earth and pollute or do they have a way to recover them?
Why did you part ways?
And how does one get into this industry?
This channel is great not just because of excellent content but also it uses metrics!!
why you gotta hate just appreciate the freedom system
@@dylanstewart5580 don'tbe ridiculous. The imperial system sucks.
@@dylanstewart5580 metric system is used by the space agency. And if you watch a spacex live you will see that theu use km/h insted of m/h
About time an true blue American boy grabs the metric batton. Keep on running Mr EDA!!!
I'm american so I don't like the metric system
As a New Zealander I'm very excited about Rocket Lab & the future of the space industry in my country. I love how they work in little bits of kiwi symbols or imagery into their work (from the black colour of the rocket to the naming of the engines after our greatest scientist). Also well done on the pronunciation of Māhia!
Woah I got mahia right?! That’s surprising to me 😂
At least you kiwis have a rocket program. Australia is to lazy. Although there have been talks about a program I don’t recon it’s going to happen any time soon. I hope it’s soon though.
KingJoe * you guys probably would drop all your spent stages on us 😂😂
KIngJoe - Well, there's a Kiwi subsidiary of a US company that launches NZ-designed US-manufactured rockets and engines from a NZ launch complex only because it has permission to launch with high frequency. It's great to see but it's not quite the same things as saying NZ has a a rocket program.
I'm sure Aussie will get there with something called the Roo Rocket.
KingJoe * check out gilmour space technologies on the gold coast. Their hybrid rocket engine is looking pretty great. Maybe us Aussies will have an orbital rocket in the not too distant future.
This video was recommended to me today--after Rocket Lab's 13th flight... talk about unfortunate timing...
Well rocket lab is now cursed
@@littlegamer00 :DDDD
Rocket lab is making a new rocket!!
i here after its 20th...
I'm here a year later.
Thank you for bring space down to Earth, not just for every day people, but for the Son of God too! Praise be! Great video!
Why jdawg, why
Lmaoo how jesus how why when
Why do I see you so much in the top of the community messages of this channel
Same
Give me a pic of ur grandparents dude
Space X: humans to ISS.
Rocket lab: tiny payloads.
Blue origin: no orbits.
*sub orbital
@@YaItxSmoothy Sorry!
Blue origin is blue for sad
yeah lol, even now this is still true
*Giant flying dong
10:45 When somebody asks you to describe a rocket... "its a muffin inside of a doughnut inside of a doughnut."
I'm waiting for someone to describe Blue Origin's rocket. 😁
We all know what Blue Origin's rocket looks like. And it's much smaller and less satisfying than the SpaceX machine. :-D
My Name falcon looks like a sperm, blue origin looks like a dildo
It's a series of tubes!
It is like a tic tac inside a rolo inside a bagle which is in bangladesh.
Can you launch an Electron Rocket on a Falcon 9?
I'm not sure it would fit in the fairing
quadrplax
It would fit in a BFS
Why would you?
FOR SCIENCE!!! (and it'd be awesome)
elad lerner sadly, the electron is 4 meters to tall to fit in the fairing
Well researched, intelligent, high production values, just enough over the top to be entertaining without being ridiculous... Kudos, good sir, for your most excellent videos!
SpaceX is mush more better...................but...............NASA ua the worst.They can't even use the billions of doller porpely
@@chiujiayi277 u can't even use your keyboard properly...
@@elschlonzo7204 be careful. You'll be charged for murdering him with words😂
@@manashejmadi lol
Proton, electron... All we need now is neutron rocket ;-)
Call a new engine "Up Quark", the propulsive landing system the "Down Quark", and the rocket "Baryon".
With an Up Quark and a Down Quark, seems like yo ought to get an Odo in there somewhere.
Well, I was going for the subatomic particles rather than DS9 references, but I guess that's fine too.
If Rocket Lab creates a bigger rocket, call it the atom. And if it makes an even bigger rocket, call it the molecule
@AntiangelRaphael Soviet Union
I have a feeling that, even though Peter Beck and Rocket Lab never tire of saying they are "laser focused" on the smallsat market, I am almost certain that they have something bigger in store - that they just aren't telling us about yet. Here's why.
(1) They have a history of being scrappy and innovative: First all-carbon fiber orbital rocket. First electric pumped engines. First with fully 3d printed engines. They developed, patented, and probably used in their kick stage, a patented propellant type: Viscous Liquid Monopropellant, which has higher claimed ISP than any other practical non-solid monoprop.
(2) They have a history of keeping fairly big things secret. Nobody knew about Humanity Star or the kick stage until after the launch.
(3) They have already filed a patent for a rocket engine called "Einstein."
Rocket Lab has the right DNA to do big things in space. They just choose not to advertise everything that they're working on. Blue Origin's motto is "Gradually Ferocious", SpaceX's should be "Mars or Bust", and Rocket Lab's seems to be "Speak softly and carry a big stick."
Well now they introduced Neutron, and have even tested re-using electron so I would say that you were right :D
@@kalletaimi5094 Well, I wasn't right about VLM in the kick stage (Peter Beck answered that question for me in a Reddit AMA a while back!) but I do stand by my statements that, in spite of all they've revealed since then, including 1st stage recovery, Neutron, and Human spaceflight ambitions(!!!!), they probably have *even bigger* things in store that they haven't revealed yet.
At this point, they might not catch SpaceX, but they might well catch Blue Origin. (Maybe they'll call their 3rd rocket, even bigger than Neutron, and fully reusable, "Alpha" after alpha particles!)
You should Livestream the next electron launch.
Is there another stream for their launches?
moesgymmom agreed!
Dixi, just subscribe to their UA-cam channel. They stream their launches on there.
I've watched the "Still Testing" aborted and successful launch. I was just wonderful. I cannot wait for the next launch! I even ordered the official Rocket Lab stamps from the New Zealand Post. They should be there in a few days!
Nice! The calculations about cost per kg are debatable, since you cannot order a 5M falcon 9 rocket to put your small sat into space, you would have to rideshare.
Great and in depth video
Big fan
I also your fan and subscriber
Rocket lab is making a new rocket!!
Sir shoutout this channel by your channel
"It's Business time!" - Flight of the Conchords (of NZ)
I'm (quietly) singing that song right now :P
I've been going through everyday astronaut withdraw lol. I really need to join the patron group when I get paid. Well worth the money because my 5 year old son love watching your videos with me.
Aww that means a lot! Tell your son hi!
He just screamed and said hi nice to meet you Mr astronaut lol
If you ever come thru the Cleveland area we would love to take you on a tour of the glenn research facility.
How does it work? You send him direct donations?
Eric Decamps I believe it's in the description above and you get a lot of extras and exclusive content. Like I said I'm going to do it for sure
Dude, you are getting better in every video. I'm impressed!
Loving this kind of super informative, with information scrapped, that I never heard in anywhere video format. Thanks!!!
Hey thank you! That means a lot! I work really hard on these videos so I’m glad the effort pays off 🙏
Just announced 3 minutes ago, Space Labs “It’s Business Time” will launch on 20th April.
Well, we already have small sats, microsats, nanosats, picosats... When do we get the picolanders?
I love how information dense these videos are.
Being an Aussie, I'm excited about the fact that a private space launch company wants to launch regularly from the southern hemisphere. That was a very well researched presentation, Tim. Thanks.
I don't see how this channel only has 104k subs.
The quality of content that is put out is well worth over 1m subs!
Keep up the good work!
I think his channel is just picking up right now.
i am from the future... i just watched this video...1.23M subs as planned ...pinky and the brain
@@DS-nv8bi And going to the moon babyyyyy (literally)!
I got a ULA ad on this video. LOL. Poor ULA. They went from hero to zero in such a short time.
Who's here after the announcement of Neutron?
The cake :(
@Fastpenguin f
Almost cried
F
TOp 10 saddest anime deaths
...was a lie
I've been subbed a few weeks now, really glad I stuck around. Great videos. Cheers, from Ireland
Well thank you for sticking around! That means a lot 👍
Thanks for the update. I honestly had never heard of Rocket Lab until just now. Go figure.
Congrats on 100k!
Feels great to be a New Zealander and to have a strong connection to aerospace engineering.
It's fun to compare different rockets. However, I think you should have emphasized the different mission statement more. SpaceX's mission is to get to Mars, doing so as cheap, large and fast as humanly possible! That means SpaceX leaves a gap in the market for other companies to fill. Like small payloads, fast construction/ordering time and small distances. But indeed like you did mention, being the only client on the payload. Wich is preferable for a lot of customers I would imagine.
Hope you don't mind some constructive criticism, love your work. Big fan!
Good point. Comparing SpaceX and Rocket Lab as they currently operate is like comparing a truck company to a motorcycle company. They have completely different mission capabilities and limitations. In addition SpaceX has several very different launch systems either available or in development.
They are complimentary operations more than competing ones so the "versus" label isn't quite accurate.
But very good video from Tim as usual.
I personally think that he made that perfectly clear.
*Hey Everyone*
*Let's raise money by launching rockets in KSP for Tim to get a New Cake :D*
Jebediah Kerman Great idea
Nasa Launch Streams,
I like your profile pick, it's kinda familiar, idk why though ???
Jebediah Kerman how do u do the bolder text
Ha
BR0TH3R TUB3 *you use asterisk*
I like how you use KSP to explain things. Great work!
I’ve never heard of rocket lab but I already like them.
I think you'll be the leader of the next upcoming space era👍
Aww wow! Thank you! I’m not sure I’ll be the leader but I’ll certainly be a loud cheerleader 😂
I'm sorry to say but the official SpaceX live videos are boring to death. Many people on space groups on Facebook keep recommending your channel and now I know why. Both live and edited videos are great!
you dropping cake legitimately broke my lil heart and your face afterwards made me feel so bad
Competition drives prices down and quality up.
Faster, please.
Let me paraphrase our Lord, Elon Musk: "Peter who? Did you see their rocket?" Spacex has no competition.
People were paying SpaceX money to fly those secondary smallsat missions. Now there's someone else they can pay. That's competition.
Ok. Go then, open a coffee shop and sell coffee for 22$ a cup. People will be like: I ll go to Jeffersonbucks, because now I can give my money to someone else than starbucks!
How much did the first pocket calculator cost? And how do its price and features compare to what you can get in the school-supplies aisle at the supermarket today? Things get better and cheaper with time. Rational adults understand this.
You... have a lot of hate inside you, don't you?
Maybe you... *like* the idea of a monopoly?
Maybe, like Neil deGrasse Tyson, the TV presenter who pretends to be a Real Scientist, you believe Only Governments Can Go To Space?
Maybe you think nobody should ever do anything without some government's permission?
You watch these videos, you have the time and energy to comment on them, and you can't be happy that more people are finding more ways to get more use from space?
Are you... what, throwing a tantrum because no one's offering you a free ride to Barsoom? I really can't understand where all your venom is coming from.
Elon appears to share the Prophet Heinlein's philosophy that "the planet Earth is too small and fragile a basket for the human race to keep all its eggs in." I would expect a space enthusiast to be enthusiastic about *anything* that, directly or indirectly, increases the odds of getting off this rock before something kills us all.
pafnucek "Jeff who?"
100k! Dances while blowing Jovian Moon Run. Congratulations Tim. Been here for a long time. Love you and your work!
it's business time, a song by the New Zealand comedy troupe flight of the Concords
Yay! A channel that is as excited and obsessed with space travel and exploration as I am!
0:02 THE ELECTRON, no i didn't skip ahead to get the answer.
Hehehe good work 😂
Once again, thank you Tim. Great video, very informative, and fun as always. Best to you from San Francisco, CA.
How d, everyday astronaut, where are you dude just noticed it's been 3 weeks since your last video, I hope everything is going good and would love an update on when your posting your next video, love all your work. thank you for the massive amount of effort that you put into every one of your video's and I hope I speak for everyone when I say your one of the very best you tubers out there and it's a massive privilege to watch and enjoy all your hard work and your enthusiasm. keep up the great work.
Hey Marc! Thanks for reaching out! I’ve been on a secret mission for the past several weeks. I’m finally going to be home today and back to work!
My heart sank at the sight of the cake falling cause the disappointed expression on your face was just ahhhhhh i understand it was on purpose but still
I read the description and realized that the whole intro was written in the description
haven't even seen the video yet, but thumbs up right after the cake drop. hilarious
Will you go to the first manned Dragon2 launch?
I hope so
moesgymmom is that a question?
When is that?
Isn't Tim riding that one?
Dragon 2 will not be human capable
KSP taught me so much about rockets and orbits. Apoapsis and Periapsis, Delta V, Hohmann transfers, solid fuel vs liquid fuel and how oxidisers work, mono propellant and thrusters, the list goes on... Such a valuable and revolutionary education tool with a fun game style theme and progression. I've gotten over seeing pure KSP videos but its refreshing to see you use them briefly for explaining real life concepts. You need more subs cause your videos are excellently made. I will use them as inspiration when I move into rocket science for my own videos.
Fun facts: Apoapsis is the universal name for the highest point of an orbit. apogee is the word explaining the apoapsis when you are orbiting earth and aphelion is when orbiting the sun.
I feel proud to be a New Zealander!
You should be.
Should be! lovely country!
You have to admit that the mostly black design of the electron looks awesome
You will reach one million views on one video one day. Keep doing what you are doing!
AWW, just watched your talk yesterday and now noticed the photos on the wall including the "I always knew what I wanted to be...". :)
Also, thanks for pointing out another awesome company I hadn't heard anything about so far!
What wait the cake drop at the beginning was real? I thought it was a prop.
It feels really great to see more private companies sending thing to space. It makes me think of the amazing things that humanity will do in the future that they will probably take for granted. The future is bright, everyone!
SpaceX Rocks... SPACEX WILL ALWAYS BE ON LEAD... I love SpaceX.. Thnks for the video and Thnks mr.Musk..
I'd say RocketLab is similar to the Dollar Tre, while SpaceX is Walmart.
Obviously, we shop at Dollar Tree for cheap things just to "get the job done", "quick", and "convenience".
Meanwhile, it takes longer to shop at Walmart, hence "long-cashier-line", "need to find a parking spot", but we get better stuff and of course more "variety items"
By "variety items" I meant such as "desired-orbit".
These two companies co-exist, Dollar Tree & Walmart, RocketLab & SpaceX, they are all there, not for competition but for overall wellness!!!
Thanks for the great video!!!
I'm so excited that a company like Rocket Lab exists! SpaceX is cool and all, but I'd assume that most people who want to put a satellite into orbit would also want to put it up there quickly.
Well, we already have small sats, microsats, nanosats, picosats... When do we get the picolanders?
That’ll be adorable, with Micro Rovers
Anybody watching after Rocket Lab first failure? ^^ Awesome company and awesome videos!
But..but...where any cakes hurt in making of this video?
I love your videos! Super informative!
Also, you said Coyd's Lab in the description. FIX IT
Omg!!!! I've had a videochat with Peter beck!!!! (that's the guy who designed and built it, and leads the company) bet ur jealose😋
Greetings from New zealand
I think we have another competitor for the space race:)
(I would love to go to the moon one day)
Digital Pyro Not really, for now Rocket Lab is only on the light comercial side of things. Meaning it can't do much for space exploration, but SpaceX was also there once and Rocket Lab does have some really cool technologies which would be awesome if they manage to scale them to a medium/heavy orbital class launch veichel.
Digital Pyro I'm with you. I've been saying for a few years now: I *will* go to the moon some day in my life! I don't even need to land. I really want to see the Earth from the same perspective that I look up and see the moon every night. I want to see the massive moon under me and the small Earth in the distance. I'd be happy just swinging around the moon to get this view.
Maybe not rocket lab but Maybe Boeing (With SLS) ULA, And Blue origin once they get new glenn up and running
Andy Oliphant Exactly that! But I'd love to actually walk on the lunar surface as well. I don't know, everytime I think of it I feel strange. Just imagine seeing the earth come up from a place so far away from home. With Elon in this world, I am very confident that I will actually be doing this. Even if this means that I have to save up money for 50 years to do so
No, no because this is just plain stupid. Detaching batteries ? Seriously ? Don't we have enough garbage in the ocean now ?
Hi Tim,
ROCKETLAB is great (I'm a kiwi engineering graduate so I obviously applied the heck out of them), but I have a little story.
When they were just getting started, they were looking for experienced engineers to teach the young kids, and they invited my dad to be involved (he's been around). He went and quizzed them, and concluded that they had very little understanding of the extensive simulation, analysis and verification procedures done by larger aerospace companies. He called it a "suck it and see" approach, so certainly no comparison to spacex in terms of engineering thoroughness as well as your other points.
Presumably this has changed a bit or they'd have never gotten FAA/CAA approval, but he was so unimpressed he actually advised me against applying as a graduated, as he thought it would train me into bad habits.
The cake is a lie.
Wow love to see the new companies rising and joining the new space race
Just imagine you doing a video with amy from vintage space, scott manley, and lei from curious elephant
I think it's awesome to see the space industry shifting into private companies hands. And I look forward to seeing you bringing us the best news and information about space exploration!
Nobody's gonna talk about that Tim just dropped a perfectly good cake
The whole video I was like “ how come I’ve never seen anything about this electron rocket”
then I seen the size comparison of the electron and the falcon 9.
“Oh that’s why”
The dubbing at 13:55 lol I almost missed it
Haha yeah it’s a bad one! Haha
I had to go back and watch. I completely missed it the first time. Nice dub job!
why would u look at his lips? I was busy laughing at the size comparison :D
If english is not your first language, looking at the lips of the person you're talking to helps to understand things better.
Schrader, English is not my first language either, its my 3rd language.
i look at the lips only if a hot girl is speaking 😂
This video need a revised follow-up. Things are moving so quickly that I suspect most if not all of the sats, pros/cons, costs, etc. have significantly changed.
What are the Rutherford engines printed out of that can survive the furious heat of burning oxygen and rp1?
Titanium is often 3D printed in the aerospace industry. And considering Tim said it is printed using EBM technology I'm almost certain it is titanium.
Could also be inconel :)
Likely inconel, there is a group developing a hobby liquid fuel rocket engine that's 3d printed inconel. You can find them on r/rocketry
Mike P Inconel 718 probably, same as SuperDraco
We can 3D-print other things than plastic by now.
The electron is by far my favourite rocket at the moment. I can't reach them (rocket lab) -- maybe they will read here -- but I'd love to suggest a couple of ideas for their engineers to ponder:
(1) Landing the first stage: Figure out how to make rotating blades (in place of grid-fins, or a ring-fin) that can dump energy back into the first stage batteries by rotating once low enough in the atmosphere; no other rocket has a means of energy storage like this, so they'd might as well try using it. If the blades could be made to counter-rotate, then there would be no torque on the body, and stored energy could be sent back into the blades to land the vehicle much like a helicopter (with possible assistance from Rutherford or gas thrusters). This would make use of the batteries a second time, making up for the fuel their weight displaces and allowing a recovery of S1.
(2) Second stage energy generation: Use the temperature difference between exhaust gases and cryogenic oxidizer, combined with the much larger surface area of a vacuum engine, to produce power using thermoelectric generators. It's true they are not very efficient, but at the temperature differentials here they might be able to produce enough power, especially considering there is only one turbo-pump. Because the Rutherfords are 3-d printed, incorporating the generators into the bell may be much easier than trying to apply them to a machined bell. It would be interesting to see if this could produce enough power, and if so, how much payload it would free up by the removal of batteries. Perhaps if they make it light enough, even a partial offset of power could be achieved on the first stage using a similar system.
I think ultimately, powering the second stage turbo-pump with a heat differential, helicoptering stage 1 back to earth, and being able to reuse it, will make the electron the ultimate lightweight launch system. [edit: forgot to mention, with cryogenic oxidizer they could also use high temperature superconducting components in the turbopump motor]
In the far future, once they've figured out how to helicopter S1s back down, they could do an Electron-Heavy! Like a mini- falcon9! How cool would that be!!!!!??? If not that advanced, then at least 2 solid fuel boosters to increase that precious payload to above 1000kg.
Can you do a video which details the differences in how the pumps actually function?
This Channel is so cool. It always updates us about Space.
Isn't the body of the F9 made out of an Aluminum-Lithium-Alloy? :D
Hey Tim, have you done the video on air launch vehicles?
Keep up the good work man, love it
What about Black Arrow?
Also what's the Elon Musk tweets framed in the background?
And Rocket Lab, being the cool kids they are, stream their launches for you to see on UA-cam!
Great for Aussies who never see the U.S. launches because they're always at 2AM!
The price per kg doesnt really matter when you still are paying $60 million for a small launch
Yes it does, because you should be filling the rocket to capacity with multiple payloads.
That doesn't always happen though, or if it does often the second customers pay a hugely discounted price because the rocket isn't going into a useful orbit for anyone when it's launching.
Well if SX wants to send a bunch of cubes into LEO, and companies share the price, it's business. Doesn't seem they're doing that much except to fill a few empty spots. They're sending REAL and HEAVY SATELLITES into orbit FOR REAL COUNTRIES! (Like the NRO, NASA, Saudi, Europe, Kazahkstan, etc.) Not for 14 year old's with a dream.
Didn't know about neither this rocket nor this company. Looks very interesting and promising. Great video!
How can they be the new space x? Totally different ideas from each company, maybe they will work together
One advantage of aerial launch (eg: Pegasus) is convenience: "Any orbit anytime." Rather than reusability, this might be a more practical next step for Rocket Labs' R&D efforts.
BTW, names like "Mark Rocket" are called *aptonyms*; you can find lists of them online.
As a kiwi I'm extremely proud of us 😂😂😂💖
I came across you Tim by chance and have since watched a few of your videos and lives, I knew hardly anything about space flight but I'm learning loads thanks to you.
Keep making videos that help to explain rocket science and everything that encompasses to people like me, you explain it so well in such basic ways that's easy to follow 👍
The cake is a lie. The cake is a lie.
I love that you depicted the Crew Dragon on the Block 5 Falcon 9 - I would have made the same choice! ('Course, I've got a Crew Dragon on my Falcon Heavy model rocket - a configuration which will never be launched... :-( ). As usual, you did the best job I've seen yet of breaking-down the cost per kg to orbit; a detailed, but interesting description of the features of the Electron, etc. I ALWAYS learn something from your videos - and I consider myself better-informed than most on space history and new developments. Great job, as always!
Are you going to livestream the TESS launch today?
I am!!!! Yay!!!!
this takes the cake as his best intro ever
I never want to hold again
Would LOVE to see a mid year review of the top 6 space agencies who have stated their intention to perform Manned Mars Missions. You already cover his popular topic so no need for a deep dive but just a sum up and some fun rating of what you think their chances are. Maybe ask Vintage Space to offer her ratings too and you could poll your Patreons. You could do one every 6 months to keep track... A long range countdown to the Mars race.
Their CEO looks suspicious
He is
He got nothing on elon
The Kiwis will invade.
what do you expect from someone in the Witness Relocation Program?
Minor correction, Electron is the 3RD privately developed rocket company to get to orbit, SpaceX was second, but the First was Orbital Science with their Pegasus Rocket!
Hope you ate the cake, wasting food always makes me sad :-3
Extra kudos if you tell me the plate was barely below the frame and the cake wasn't injured!
EDIT: Could be worse, I'm fine with that, would eat it. I'm sure you took a pic before ruining the glazing anyway, since you're a pro photographer! :-)
Best explained Rocket annalist on the web!! And he is a GOOD GUY!
Why does the Electron have an American flag on it?
They’re an American aerospace company, funded by a New Zealander 👍
Ah. Thanks. Was under the impression this was entirely a NZ effort.
Since spacex latest test I got to your channel, and basically go through all of your videos, and it is really great and informative to me till now! Thanks! That Spanish donut space vehicle is rather interesting would like to know more about that indeed.
SpaceX is and always will be the best launch provider!
AntiangelRaphael just because it's old doesn't mean it's bad the SRB have a lot of thrust it also is very cheep and the sls engines are very reliable now they have there disaventages but it's still pretty good
AntiangelRaphael true the solid boosters are really toxic but it's really tested and for its engines nasa knows how to use them and reuseabilty for solid rocket booster is imposible because once they ingnited they can't be throttled or turned off because the sls engines it self can't really do any thing an less its in the higher atmosphere so solid rocket boosters are amazing but I do agree they should be a development of another type of rocket boosters I have heard a organization trying to make a safer rocket boosters that are almost as powerful as a regular solid booster
Sam Farley, I have been following Spacex since its inception. Ground floor. Huge fan but I would happily recognize the accomplishments of another space access company that could find a way to do it better/faster/cheaper. Its called progress. Who did you like before Spacex? Nasa, the European Space Agency, Russia, China, Japan? India perhaps. I doubt you followed most of those. I did. "Best launch provider" for what? Care to specify? Government, commercial communications, science, private, spacecraft? Care to elaborate? Do some reading and get back to me. A lot of reading
"always will be" lol
AntiangelRaphael Elon isnt doing what he does for money, he does it because he wants to die on mars
That cakey splashdown broke my heart. I've subbed to try and get over it.
It seems pretty misleading to state that the falcon 9's payload dollar/kg ratio will improve in the future because of reusability, when you're giving us the maximum payload for an expendable falcon 9, and not a reusable one. This seems to be a recurring mistake when talking about the falcon 9, and I hoped you would explain the nuance behind the dollar per kg value better...
But currently SpaceX charges the same for expendable or reused. So it doesn’t matter to the customer. I explained that they hope to eventually pass the savings down to the customer. So for now, from the customer’s side, it’s fair to quote as is
I read somewhere that the cost of an expendable launch is 80 million or a little more, I can't remember exactly or where I read it, may have been twitter.
Also I think there is no good reason for reducing the price of a falcon 9 launch as they need all the money they can get to develop the BFR. They are already by far the cheapest launch provider so the main reasons a company might choose another provider is reliability and perhaps shorter waiting times? If spacex can prove their reliability over the next say 30 launches so they have a streak of 52 successful launches and clear their launch backlog they will surely dominate the current launch market even without reducing the price.
I hope they can get their streak to 100 by the end of 2019. :-)
And I look forward to a $5million launch price for the BFR, but lets keep the falcon 9 price to get there faster...
I thought he was saying that at max payload all of the fuel in the booster is burned, therefore none is left to land the booster. Is this true? If so, maybe the max payload with enough fuel to land the booster should be used in calculating the cost per kg.
2:46 look at this LAN party, they even have matching headsets!