Why SpaceX won't propulsively land their Dragon capsule. Not on Earth. Not on Mars.

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  • Why did one of the coolest features of the Dragon Capsule get cancelled? Why are they no longer sending a Dragon Capsule to Mars? We answer this and more!
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  • @erikandersson1647
    @erikandersson1647 4 роки тому +327

    3 years later - today ... SpaceX Finally launched humans to space. Congrats team SpaceX and Elon for your achievement.

    • @woodduck2178
      @woodduck2178 4 роки тому +4

      And in two days they will return to earth!!!

    • @woodduck2178
      @woodduck2178 4 роки тому +7

      And now they are back on earth

    • @Daniela-pr7rz
      @Daniela-pr7rz 4 роки тому +11

      @@woodduck2178 and now SN5 hopped 150m. Let's make this thread until Mars happens.

    • @snipestorm4555
      @snipestorm4555 4 роки тому +2

      @@woodduck2178 And they are going to send some more crew to mars next week and set up a colony

    • @archie2591
      @archie2591 3 роки тому +2

      And now they’ve launched SN8, taken it to 12.5km and belly flopped back down!

  • @MarkThrimm
    @MarkThrimm 7 років тому +754

    I'm actually excited about this. In the past it always meant that SpaceX had even better idea in mind and now I'm anxious to see what they came up with instead.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +18

      +Mark Thrimm agreed!!!

    • @catoomch
      @catoomch 7 років тому +9

      I'm a little disappointed there was no speculation about the replacement in this video.
      If Red Dragon is not landing propulsively, the only alternative I can think of is a parachute + inflatable crash bags (which has been used by NASA).

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +22

      +catoomch we talk about how the ITS BFR/BFS is the replacement and we know how that’ll land. On earth dragon will continue to splashdown like it does today

    • @stefanfun
      @stefanfun 7 років тому +1

      exept they want to remodel the ITS too

    • @catoomch
      @catoomch 7 років тому +5

      Fair enough. But Elon was mysteriously referring to some new method to land on Mars in his interviews.

  • @philipp5433
    @philipp5433 7 років тому +569

    Your channel is starting to look really professional. Good job

    • @HSBTechYT
      @HSBTechYT 7 років тому +1

      Philipp Buhr yes 😂

    • @chanrevo3841
      @chanrevo3841 7 років тому +20

      He showed us a picture book of a capsule in an egg

    • @realzachfluke1
      @realzachfluke1 6 років тому +2

      Oh the irony.

    • @ChrisBrengel
      @ChrisBrengel 6 років тому +1

      Yaassss!

    • @11moonshot
      @11moonshot 5 років тому +2

      Well - one of the best, most informative sites word wide! And you feel: Tim knows what he is talking about!!

  • @GreyEnfield_CRYSTAL
    @GreyEnfield_CRYSTAL 4 роки тому +24

    Ooohh 2 years later
    It's a success bro!!

  • @thestigsamericancousin4588
    @thestigsamericancousin4588 7 років тому +329

    I want to see a falcon heavy land on mars with the main center booster. That would be some Kerbal space program level crap

    • @Widestone001
      @Widestone001 7 років тому +1

      Haha, now that would be a sight! xD

    • @wilmantube
      @wilmantube 7 років тому +21

      Yeahhhh that's not how it works

    • @nathanaelvetters2684
      @nathanaelvetters2684 7 років тому +11

      In your dreams. You're saying that without even jettisoning the central booster and using the second stage, you expect the thing to get to Mars.

    • @bluemountain4181
      @bluemountain4181 7 років тому +34

      They just need to carry on with the KSP style: Add more boosters and build a Falcon 9 Super-Mega-Heavy.

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality 7 років тому +13

      Falcon Uber Super Hyper Mega Ultra Giant Monster Titan Heavy Block 6.1.1D Fullererest Thrust

  • @25xan
    @25xan 7 років тому +36

    Bravo! This video felt much more professional and serious than the others I have seen and I loved it!

  • @tobywoollaston6757
    @tobywoollaston6757 7 років тому +151

    I loved that book on how the dragon was born 😂😂
    Great video, keep this great content coming!

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +2

      +Toby Woollaston haha thanks!!!

    • @scotts.8972
      @scotts.8972 7 років тому +1

      I feel like he had that book before this video.....

  • @MarcusHouse
    @MarcusHouse 7 років тому +342

    This was most interesting Tim. Thanks mate. I suspect the two main reasons were due to safety restrictions and propellant weight. Probably pretty difficult to land at an accurate location from orbit, even by SpaceX standards. Suspect they could much more easily return to the ocean with chutes. Still hope they continue with propulsive tech for future stuff though. I suspect the super.d engines will still be there for abort or emergency anyway, probably just with much less fuel. They are not going to remove them entirely from Dragon 2 I wouldn't think are they?

    • @superwinner5010
      @superwinner5010 7 років тому +2

      Hey Marcus :)

    • @davidhood9712
      @davidhood9712 7 років тому +3

      Marcus!!!!

    • @nathanaelvetters2684
      @nathanaelvetters2684 7 років тому +6

      Yeah, if they ever want to carry crew they'd be required to keep them, or a replacement. Like you said, with much less fuel.

    • @ethanwilliams8211
      @ethanwilliams8211 7 років тому

      Marcus House I

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality 7 років тому +4

      Propellant weight wasn't a concern, Dragon 2 is still volume-constrained like Dragon 1. Still need quite a bit of fuel for an abort.

  • @ClearAdventure
    @ClearAdventure 5 років тому +194

    I love knowing Elon does not mean "Falcon" when he says Big Falcon Rocket. 😂

    • @drabberfrog
      @drabberfrog 4 роки тому +4

      @Jake Chen Starship

    • @uzogsi
      @uzogsi 4 роки тому +2

      And I love that it's a homage to the Doom and Quake games and their BFG - the best weapon in the game - the Big F*cking Gun

    • @carrotmaster8521
      @carrotmaster8521 4 роки тому +2

      @David Lazarus its a beautiful thing, the doom community went crazy for a little bit

    • @letterslayer7814
      @letterslayer7814 4 роки тому

      @Jake Chen man i was just about to say that lol

    • @jamessheppard4372
      @jamessheppard4372 2 роки тому +1

      Big F**cking Rocket

  • @KreefS
    @KreefS 7 років тому +53

    Wait... he only has 19K subscribers? This is the first video I have seen from this channel and I thought he has well over 500K. Good job on making these videos, I am definitely subscribing!

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +9

      +Mike woahhh thank you!!!! That means a lot!!! I put a lot of work into these videos so I’m glad you’re getting something out of it! 😊👍 thanks for the sub hope you come around for some livestreams and say hi!

    • @spookyr
      @spookyr 4 роки тому +4

      2 years later and getting real close to 500k :-)

    • @peteralund
      @peteralund 4 роки тому +1

      735k now , it is starting to move faster

    • @TeeTee-05
      @TeeTee-05 3 роки тому

      Nearly a million

    • @stephenmiguel919
      @stephenmiguel919 2 роки тому

      1.15M!! Congrats 🎉

  • @jackfetzer2862
    @jackfetzer2862 4 роки тому +165

    Who is watching this after the demo-2 launch

    • @drewd2
      @drewd2 4 роки тому +3

      Yup. lol

    • @kumarthecowboy
      @kumarthecowboy 4 роки тому +2

      Yess binge watching everything now

    • @drabberfrog
      @drabberfrog 4 роки тому +2

      Me

    • @jonahdenning9330
      @jonahdenning9330 4 роки тому +2

      Yes

    • @DarxusC
      @DarxusC 4 роки тому +1

      I was just thinking I bet he's getting a lot of views on his older related videos because of that.

  • @MirekHeikkila
    @MirekHeikkila 7 років тому +29

    Awww that was so adorable with the lil egg around 1:00 .. Awesome Channel BTW!! :)

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +3

      +Mirek Heikkila glad you liked it!!!

    • @MirekHeikkila
      @MirekHeikkila 7 років тому

      Yes i did, the scrapbook binder was classic too! :) nice!!!

    • @lunakid12
      @lunakid12 5 років тому

      @@EverydayAstronaut: Oh yes, mate, that scene was hilarious, thank you! :)

  • @Giratina143
    @Giratina143 7 років тому +420

    The hype is real for the falcon HEAVY!!

    • @HexaSquirrel
      @HexaSquirrel 7 років тому +4

      It won't launch this year.

    • @motokid6008
      @motokid6008 7 років тому +7

      I'd like to think December at the earliest. And then... When it does go off it needs to at least get far enough away from the launch pad before it explodes. Which as Musk said it has a good chance of. I'll bet right now it goes through several scrubs. No way in hell all 27 engines go green on the first try.

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality 7 років тому +5

      Not launching this year. They aren't starting conversion until early October, then 60 days, which puts the pad ready at early December. They have to do a WDR or two (likely catch some issues with the GSE at that point), static fire, review a ton of data, then likely multiple launch attempts.

    • @motokid6008
      @motokid6008 7 років тому +2

      I wonder how many attempts it'll take... I intend on going down to see FH launch, but I'm thinking I better plan a whole week down there. 27 freaking engines all needing to play nice with each other... Who's got the warmest feet at SpaceX? Lol...

    • @jondoig
      @jondoig 7 років тому

      If it's as quick as a Tesla S it'll reach its 1200 km/h top speed (700 mph) in 30 seconds (2.5 s per 100 km/h). Wow.

  • @AnonymousFreakYT
    @AnonymousFreakYT 7 років тому +91

    This makes me sad. From an engineering perspective, I understand it, but from a fan of high technology, I'm disappointed.
    Also disappointed because a friend of mine worked on the SuperDraco rocket engines!

    • @eternalinnovation2118
      @eternalinnovation2118 7 років тому +24

      The SuperDracos are still super important! They're critical in an abort, and it's cool that they're kept after every flight. In old space capsules, the escape tower is a separate component which is thrown away at every launch. Each Dragon gets to keep its superdracos for the next flight!

    • @bigdiglett3258
      @bigdiglett3258 7 років тому

      While dragon won't land on mars, BFR will and spacex is basically gonna allocate everything to it making things like red dragon no longer an idea

    • @mobiuscoreindustries
      @mobiuscoreindustries 4 роки тому

      Its still very usefull to have them. I mean that way the capsule has acess to both low thrust high efficiency and low efficiency high thrust, which means in a pinch it can do all kinds of maneuvers. I mean, its not because the capsule isn't suposed to use its thrusters to land, it doesn't mean if something fucks up, they coudn't try that as a last ditch.

  • @joshuapinter
    @joshuapinter 7 років тому +4

    Great explanation. Really appreciate the deep dive and video. And you're absolutely correct: SpaceX doesn't do anything unless it supports their long-term plans and has no problem re-assessing and changing directions if conditions change.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +1

      +Joshua Pinter thanks for checking it out!!! Glad you found the deep dive worth it

  • @TheMyguitarisblue
    @TheMyguitarisblue 7 років тому +1

    As other people have said, your videos are honestly crazy good and I've watched like half of them since yesterday. I genuinely thought that your sub count would be at least 10x as high when I first checked because of the quality of your productions. Keep this up and there's no way that you won't be huge as a Space related content creator.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +1

      +Lazy Pharaoh wow thank you so much!!! That really means a lot!!!

  • @passthebutterrobot2600
    @passthebutterrobot2600 7 років тому +6

    Thanks, I love your videos. I agreed, being flexible & quick on their feet is one of Space-X's greatest strengths. Seeing spaceships land on thrusters is soooooo darned cool though.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому

      +Pass The Butter Robot totally agreed! Thanks for the kind words too!

    • @MrBlackjimrogan
      @MrBlackjimrogan 6 років тому

      Yeah its a shame...but if Dragon is never needed to be landed like this then the cost savings go towards the BFRS....i cant wait to see that flying and landing, that will be awesome...

  • @eltmg7135
    @eltmg7135 6 років тому +1

    You summed it up perfectly. The propulsive landing would have been awesome, and it's kind of a bummer that it doesn't happen, but then again, why put so much into it at all, when they could just put all their efforts and resources in developing BFR? After all, the Dragon 2 is still going to be launched by the Falcon 9, a partially reusable vehicle, and while it is pretty cool, it'd be much cooler to see a much bigger ship replace it.
    So with that in mind, the plans getting canceled is actually something good, because with SpaceX it pretty much always means they have something bigger and better in mind.

  • @ericdouglas3039
    @ericdouglas3039 7 років тому +169

    Answer starts at 5:55

    • @maxspinks2181
      @maxspinks2181 7 років тому +4

      Eric Douglas thanks bro

    • @Mksterk1998
      @Mksterk1998 7 років тому +1

      Eric Douglas Thanks!

    • @dcdales
      @dcdales 6 років тому +5

      Thanks! So basically the answer is "it's not the best way to land the Dragon Capsule." Did I just miss something in this video, or was there no talk about the specific pros and cons about using propulsive landing on the Dragon Capsule? I feel kinda disappointed.

    • @BixbyConsequence
      @BixbyConsequence 6 років тому +1

      God bless you.

    • @onjofilms
      @onjofilms 6 років тому +2

      I wish I saw your answer first. Would have saved me from listening to that annoying background music.

  • @GameplayReviewUK
    @GameplayReviewUK 6 років тому +1

    OMG I had those very same binoculars when I was a kid too :) The little touches make these vids so special.

  • @dukeofworcestershire7042
    @dukeofworcestershire7042 4 роки тому +4

    6:10 When you researched for the presentation but didn't bother practicing

  • @sgkingly8392
    @sgkingly8392 5 років тому +1

    Came back here after the crew dragon demo flight! So much has changed in a few years....

  • @victorgigante5374
    @victorgigante5374 7 років тому +55

    The government does seem to be rather prone to the Sunk Cost Fallacy.

  • @11moonshot
    @11moonshot 5 років тому +1

    I fully agree with Tim's final judgement: See the final target and be flexible!

  • @jimbonuetrin2593
    @jimbonuetrin2593 7 років тому +12

    Why not just mount the landing legs on the dragon radially like on the falcon 9 1st stage instead of putting them through the heat shield?

    • @gedw99
      @gedw99 7 років тому

      Jimbo Nuetrin that's exactly what I was thinking. I am leaning now towards landing on earth with parachutes, but landing on Mars a mini stage 2 with propolsive.

    • @robertbiebrich4489
      @robertbiebrich4489 7 років тому +4

      They would probably burn up outside the heat shield. I’m guessing falcon 9 can get away with it because it’s engines are capable of a much greater deceleration. Just a guess.

    • @OriginalOmgCow
      @OriginalOmgCow 7 років тому +1

      Depends on the kind of atmospheric entry I guess since an earth-mars transfer would without dropping into orbit at least, carry with it huge deceleration, and any change may require the entire atmophere entry profile to be redesigned. It would also require a great deal of redesign and RND to reevaluate it's normal flight profile alone. Who knows.
      Also, this "everyday astronaut" doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, he's skeptic that reusable rockets will not be cost effective? He's UNDERCUTTING the current market by a factor of TEN in terms of vehicle cost, what bullshit is this guy spouting?

    • @nathanaelvetters2684
      @nathanaelvetters2684 7 років тому +1

      Soyuz does a little spurt with the engines before landing right? If they can do it why can't SpaceX? I suppose it's hard to spot land with parachutes.

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality 7 років тому

      The capsule is designed for water landing so it hangs at an angle under parachutes (to lower peak splashdown acceleration). The engines would push it sideways which is not ideal

  • @TinyPirate
    @TinyPirate 7 років тому +1

    I'd love to see a vid on the causes and lessons learned from the various SpaceX failures - what they missed, why, what they corrected :)

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому

      +TinyPirate great idea!!! I’ll put it in my list to do! Thanks for the suggestion

  • @rogerwilco2
    @rogerwilco2 7 років тому +15

    I think the main problem with the "Congress run" projects, is that the politicians are not interested in the end goal, but only in what it brings to their constituents/state.
    As a Dutchman, I consider it the biggest flaw in the USA (and EU) democracy, that the representation is regionalized. A national election should have national candidates.
    The same should be true for the EU parliament as well.

    • @ChrisBrengel
      @ChrisBrengel 6 років тому

      I heard someone say once that NASA has just become a jobs program.

  • @Tomfoolery1972
    @Tomfoolery1972 3 роки тому

    That record scratch at 1:16 had me howling 🤣

  • @FlippFloppofficial
    @FlippFloppofficial 7 років тому +6

    subscribed! With a little bell in the end kinda way! Great channel!

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +1

      +Flipp Flopp wow!! Thank you so much. That genuinely means a lot! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @ChrisBrengel
    @ChrisBrengel 6 років тому +1

    You rock! These are such awesome videos!
    SpaceX, NASA and other organizations should have an appropriate number of their employees become Patreon supporters every time you do a video about them!

  • @DyingCr0w
    @DyingCr0w 7 років тому +15

    Bet it got hot inside that nbc suit :D

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +10

      +DyingCr0w it’s the worst. But it used to be much worse than it is. It had a thick rubber lining on the inside and many of my old photos from Instagram I would have to set a self timer and run out and do a pose and do it over and over in 90 degree heat. Two or three times I almost passed out. That was the worst, now it’s more bearable.

  • @lilyjeanholt8210
    @lilyjeanholt8210 4 роки тому

    U legend. Luved the little dragon fairytale story. Very originally composed and one of the best youtube vidz in ages

  • @lewismassie
    @lewismassie 7 років тому +79

    Interesting point there comparing Dragon 2 and ITS to the Falcon 5 and 9. You may have just reversed my opinion on the matter (that's a good thing). Yes we won't get to watch D2 land on mars, but maybe we'll see the ITS do it instead

    • @pricelessppp
      @pricelessppp 7 років тому

      Lewis Massie Dragon v2 on the BFR or lazy s pattern like the space shuttle?

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +4

      +Lewis Massie glad you found that compelling 👍

    • @Redl1me_
      @Redl1me_ 7 років тому +1

      Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought Elon Musk stated that he wanted to cut down the number of Raptor engines on the ITS and reducing it's size so we might sadly get a smaller than planed rocket ship.

    • @andrewbailey7999
      @andrewbailey7999 7 років тому +1

      I think that is the case, but even if it isn't quite the original intended scale, it'll still be pretty massive, and it'll innovate technologies needed for even larger spacecraft in the further future

  • @Icanbyorsuprman1
    @Icanbyorsuprman1 6 років тому

    I just love seeing this many people being excited about what SpaceX is doing. To see this happening before my time passes is inspiring in itself.

  • @maramalnahhas8442
    @maramalnahhas8442 4 роки тому +8

    1:08 X AE A-12 in a nutshell

  • @Zariho
    @Zariho 6 років тому

    You are probably the most informative youtuber I have ever seen. You deserve a lot more subs

  • @kenloose3560
    @kenloose3560 6 років тому +7

    Has anyone considered a propulsive landing in fresh water. The precision of a propulsive landing would make it possible to land in a small pond or even an artificial dugout pond. Fresh water would be less corrosive and a water landing would be gentle enough that there would be no need for landing legs. A crane and truck could be driven to the pond and pick the Dragon out of the water and whisk it off to wherever it is needed. A truck and crane would be quicker and cheaper than a ship and a helicopter.

  • @highgroundproductions8590
    @highgroundproductions8590 5 років тому +2

    Yes there is a point to land it on Earth propulsively
    It's not about the costs
    It's about advancing our space capabilities and making better more capable vehicles because we can.

  • @kingwr12
    @kingwr12 7 років тому +6

    So the Dragon 2 will NOT "land as a 21st century spacecraft should," as per Elon at the unveiling. Perhaps in the 22nd century?

    • @pauljones3017
      @pauljones3017 7 років тому +1

      Wait for the ITS.

    • @kingwr12
      @kingwr12 7 років тому

      Paul Jones I'm afraid I won't make it that long.

    • @bigdiglett3258
      @bigdiglett3258 7 років тому

      Randy King too late, they're doing it, but it's called BFR

  • @dapeach06
    @dapeach06 3 роки тому

    You were absolutely right Tim, Red Dragon seems incredibly quaint even at this point of Starship development. But Crew Dragon propulsive landing still feels like it would be worth it if they can properly develop and certify it, especially if Dreamchaser never becomes human rated

    • @alvianchoiriapriliansyah9882
      @alvianchoiriapriliansyah9882 3 роки тому

      Starship is sought to replace all of their current products. Might as well use Starship as Crew Dragon replacement in LEO in the mid-term future

  • @icwiz
    @icwiz 7 років тому +5

    I think its NASA at its cold feet about landing this way that actually created the problem. Elon said it would take too much resources to "qualify" propulsive landing. Maybe NASA wanted way more test flights and other expensive testing that would have made the whole thing too expensive.

    • @MsSomeonenew
      @MsSomeonenew 7 років тому +2

      Crew safety requirements need 3 - 5 redundancies on all critical systems, I'm guessing that is just not doable with their system. The rules are there to prevent casualties, but obviously put a heavy burden on future designs.

    • @icwiz
      @icwiz 7 років тому +1

      The fact that there is a competing space launch system being developed by defense contractors also bring politics into this. I wonder how much of those "requirements" were just junk to make this more difficult for SpaceX. I mean, Boeing's "Starliner" could never do propulsive landings. Seems like a way to force SpaceX to stop being so Badass.

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality 7 років тому +3

      Are you joking? NASA, if anything, favors SpaceX. But they do not want to lose crew, so there are strict requirements. Given SpaceX's track record so far, they're the most likely to end up killing astronauts.

    • @icwiz
      @icwiz 7 років тому +2

      No, its more politics than anything else. The fact that the SLS is still being developed shows that its all politics. The SLS uses SRBs, the one tech that has killed more astronauts than any other. Id rather trust SpaceX's rockets then that POS.

  • @phoreman88
    @phoreman88 7 років тому

    informative video. you seem like a natural at this. the little bit of humor was good to balance all the information . thumbs up

  • @4675636b596f755954
    @4675636b596f755954 6 років тому +8

    About halfway through the video it dawned on me that Elon Musk has just been playing Kerbal Space Program with real rockets all along.

  • @ellarpc
    @ellarpc 6 років тому

    I had those exact binoculars when I was a kid. Thanks for the video.

  • @ArnolddeLeon
    @ArnolddeLeon 7 років тому +5

    Good prediction!

  • @unnarari13
    @unnarari13 6 років тому +1

    Came here from Mind and Machine podcast, Great stuff!

  • @tsamuel6224
    @tsamuel6224 7 років тому +3

    Everyday Astronaut The little itsy bitsy legs stuck through the heat shield never made sense for a Mars landing on unknown terrain. An unknown terrain landing needs high flotation legs with active leveling. That puts the legs outside like on the F9 booster. If they want to send scientific instruments around in the solar system, there is no point at all in developing legs they can only land on a flat concrete tarmac. And on Earth, there isn't much point in propulsive landing unless they can land on a helipad, airport, ship, or wherever. I was wondering why they weren't doing routine propulsive take off and landings (with extra fuel on a stripped down test vehicle) to get deep practice. Thx.

  • @clikzip
    @clikzip 5 років тому +2

    You seem to make these videos longer than they need to be. Good video overall tho! +1

  • @xristoforostountas1252
    @xristoforostountas1252 4 роки тому +5

    Who is watching after a successful spash down??

  • @lucywucyyy
    @lucywucyyy 5 років тому +1

    i really hope they bring back the propulsive landing one day, they could atleast use the drako thrusters in tandem with the parachute the way the soyuz does

  • @ZeusDilu
    @ZeusDilu 7 років тому +9

    Since the reveal of Dragon 2, I always thought "Where are they going to store the fuel required to do a propulsive landing? The capsule is mostly space for people and it doesn't seem to contain a lot of fuel"

    • @eternalinnovation2118
      @eternalinnovation2118 7 років тому +6

      That's actually not one of the limiting factors - SpaceX has already done the pad abort test and performed hover tests of Dragon 2 test models, which were perfectly fine storing fuel. The capsule has enough space for things like this. That's not a problem.

    • @ZeusDilu
      @ZeusDilu 7 років тому +1

      I know they did that, what I meant was that a propulsive landing takes a lot more fuel than an abort or hover test

    • @AmbientMorality
      @AmbientMorality 7 років тому +4

      Propulsive landing uses less fuel than an abort, by quite a bit. Remember the engines are throttled way back on landing. In an abort, they're at full power.

    • @Widestone001
      @Widestone001 7 років тому +5

      Also, don't forget that our atmosphere is actually quite dense and when the propulsive landing starts it's less than 200 KPH fast. Quite slow, actually. And slowing down from that is not that much of a problem, when you have the tech and know-how to put the thing in orbit in the first place.
      Also, they have done propulsive landings many times now, with something much bigger and heavier than the Dragon 2 ;-)

    • @BDMort147
      @BDMort147 7 років тому +1

      This is such a good point. I was thinking how on the pad it went form 0 to like 300 mph up, so for it to go from 150 to 0 mph down, sounds very doable. Were they planing a hover slam landing originally?

  • @johnedgeworth453
    @johnedgeworth453 6 років тому

    Excellent show and review of current affairs. Thanks for the fun show and I will be watching all the shows in the future. Sooo, how does one get to be a member of your space corps?

  • @cavereric
    @cavereric 7 років тому +26

    What about..... A large space station (maybe Bigelow) With 10 Falcon9 like vehicle landers and rovers. Fuel production. Launch the whole thing to Mars orbit.

    • @fierygaming4307
      @fierygaming4307 7 років тому +7

      cavereric I hope you realize you can't produce much fuel in orbit... Not really that much material to work with

    • @Phoenixx-vy7ln
      @Phoenixx-vy7ln 6 років тому +2

      and a magically long tube sending in crude oil

    • @kyeush1398
      @kyeush1398 6 років тому

      They can't afford the fuel that is required to bring the giant space station into mars orbit.

  • @kyleperron2942
    @kyleperron2942 4 роки тому

    I appreciate the quality of your production, man. Well done!

  • @FunBotan
    @FunBotan 7 років тому +4

    Early USSR ships also had ejection seats.

    • @porko882
      @porko882 4 роки тому

      So did the Apollos and the Space shuttle.

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 4 роки тому

      @@porko882
      Apollo never had ejection seats.

  • @OMGSOMANYSURVEYS
    @OMGSOMANYSURVEYS 6 років тому

    Subscribed, professional and straight to the point. +A little humour

  • @Supadubya
    @Supadubya 7 років тому +3

    At 10:05 you indirectly refer to the Sunk Costs Fallacy (when already spent costs are incorrectly factored into future decisions- leasing to abandoning a project that is cheaper to finish than to start over, or continuation of a project that would be cheaper to abandon and start over than to continue with...) However NASA and big contractor behavior is often NOT an example of this fallacy, and YOU are the one engaging in the Sunk Cost Fallacy in those cases...
    If you've already SUNK enormous amounts of money into a project and it is close to completion, then those costs are LOST already. The only things that matter are costs going forward- and if you are close to completing a project then finishing it often comes with far fewer additional costs than starting over on a newer project with the same capabilities. For instance, the Shuttle was INCREDIBLY expensive to develop, but by the time they realized they were going to end up way over-budget the future costs to finish the Shuttle were lower than they would have been if they had stsrted over on a new super-heavy lift rocket like SLS. There was no recovering those costs, and despite your ignorant mocking, ABANDONING the Shuttle at that point and stsrting on a new auper-heavy lifter would have costed even MORE money than just finishing the Shuttle.
    If you're 90% of the way into a $200 Billion project and only have $20 Billion to go, and a new option cones along that would have the same performance and cost only $40 Billion to develop you SHOULDN'T abandon your current project and begin work on the alternative- that would be exactly twice as expensive. Your already-expended costs are lost and you can't get them back- this is what it means for something to be a "Sunk Cost"...
    Industry, interestingly, gets away with abandoning projects all the time because they can just write failed projects off as a loss on their taxes- and pay less in taxes several years into the future by crediting those losses towards their USA tax obligation. It's a messed-up system, and one that Trump abused all the time in Real Estate to avoid paying taxes. It's an option available to defense contractors and private corporations like SpaceX, but it's NOT an option available to NASA. In short, abandoning a project is often still the more expensive choice even for private industry, but they can EXTERNALIZE part of that cost by writing it off as a loss for tax purposes, shoving off enough of the financial burden of abandoning the project (in ultimately higher total R&D costs) to the rest of society in the form of reduced tax contributions that abandoning a project often becomes the profitable option for a business- but the more expensive choice for society as a whole due to ways the government ends up subsidizing this decision...

  • @maledictor
    @maledictor 5 років тому

    you should do a vid with the whole story and evolution of Space X, with rocket, engine etc. comparisons, fail and successes, like contracts and financials as well.

  • @armandooliveira3712
    @armandooliveira3712 4 роки тому +3

    Watching this after starship in 2019

  • @wilboersma9441
    @wilboersma9441 3 роки тому

    1:31 literally the definition of launching a rocket from your backyard

  • @Justin-gc4ms
    @Justin-gc4ms 7 років тому +128

    but.... can it run crisis?

    • @miles2378
      @miles2378 7 років тому +4

      justin van der werf every time a person references crisis in a UA-cam comment a puppy dies a little inside!

    • @Drakenex
      @Drakenex 7 років тому

      Is Crysis FFS!!

    • @Finallybianca
      @Finallybianca 7 років тому +6

      No but it can run Half Life 3.

    • @ls200076
      @ls200076 7 років тому +2

      Can it stop water?

    • @pingpong9656
      @pingpong9656 7 років тому

      justin van der werf Nothing can run Crysis 1 at 60 FPS... I'm still waiting for a GPU to do it at max setting, then I'll buy one... I seriously stopped buying GPUs because of Crysis 1 and the long wait for 60FPS!

  • @radovankrizalkovic9084
    @radovankrizalkovic9084 7 років тому

    man you were basically right about all your predictions. Subscribed.

  • @AleksyCastillio
    @AleksyCastillio 5 років тому +6

    it would make more sense to still be able to propulsively land incase the parachutes fail

  • @bertballenback
    @bertballenback 4 роки тому +1

    05:39 "At the beginning of 2018, SpaceX will perform an in flight abort test" That was a 2 year delay...

  • @foobarbecue
    @foobarbecue 7 років тому +4

    You said the ITS landing maneuver "looks nothing like how a dragon capsule would land," but how is it any different? They both do aerobraking and then propulsive landing, right? I think what's going on here, plain and simple, is that SpaceX is admitting don't have a realistic way to get to mars any time soon.

    • @BDMort147
      @BDMort147 7 років тому

      Maybe because the dragon would've had boosters on the sides and landing legs in the middle while BFS or ITS is the opposite of that. But mainly I think it's because of totally different hardware being used so the experience gained from it wouldn't have been worth the cost. I wouldn't have said "looks nothing like" like he said, but rather it's different enough not to make it worth while.

    • @Zamolxes77
      @Zamolxes77 7 років тому +1

      Course they don't lol, nobody does, they just playing the hype game. They should take D2 and make it land on the Moon 1st so we can establish a nice Luna Colony first. Then we'll think about Mars.

  • @louisfristensky1254
    @louisfristensky1254 4 роки тому

    You really know your stuff! It's refreshing.

  • @f2havcu
    @f2havcu 5 років тому +6

    music is too loud, it is competing with your voice

  • @sol2544
    @sol2544 6 років тому +1

    I would have loved a Dragon capsule droneship landing

  • @siyacer
    @siyacer 7 років тому +5

    They might change their mind.

  • @JohnBernardin
    @JohnBernardin 4 роки тому

    It seems like you should have mentioned Boeing’s Starliner (not propulsively) landing on the ground and the savings with that solution. GREAT show anyway... not complaining! THANKS for the video!

  • @x666x34b
    @x666x34b 7 років тому +108

    Prediction: We will be very old people when the Chinese become the first to land on Mars.

    • @GlanderBrondurg
      @GlanderBrondurg 7 років тому +17

      I doubt that the People's Republic will ever land on Mars. Perhaps a successor to the current regime, but China has a long, long way to go before they can get a crew to land there and I doubt it will be this century even if their government changes.

    • @taylorsukoshi6126
      @taylorsukoshi6126 7 років тому +19

      They have bigger problems to worry about like falun gong

    • @shadfurman
      @shadfurman 7 років тому +7

      I would have made that kind of prediction 5 year ago, now I'm betting we'll have people on Mars in a decade and people living there in two, a city in 50. I know it sounds absurd, but extrapolating technology trends, it won't be as expensive as most people assume. The first dozen manned missions to Mars will probably cost more than the next 100.

    • @DevinDTV
      @DevinDTV 7 років тому +6

      shadfurman there's literally no reason to colonized Mars, so I don't expect to see that happen for a couple hundred years. Space x and NASA will visit, maybe we'll eventually get a permanent research facility. But colony? That's just throwing money away

    • @GlanderBrondurg
      @GlanderBrondurg 7 років тому +4

      +DevinDTV What makes you pessimistic about having a colony on Mars? I admit the cost of going there is not going to be cheap and the difficulty of simple human survival on another planet is going to be challenging to say the least.
      For myself, while I will admit there is no guarantee it will happen at all, there does seem to be at least an outside possibility that a permanent settlement could happen on Mars by the end of this century, assuming that politicians don't screw it up the way they have with Antarctica. The only thing really stopping settlement of Mars is the Outer Space Treaty in a strict interpretation of Planetary Protection guidelines that would prohibit human touch of that planet.

  • @wolfbyte3171
    @wolfbyte3171 7 років тому

    Subbed. I have no idea why I haven't heard of you sooner. Keep up the great work!

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +1

      +wolfbyte3171 hey thanks!!! That’s great, glad you found me! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @seanmanny8727
    @seanmanny8727 7 років тому +24

    You really need to ditch the space suit, or at least beyond the intro. It's kinda silly at this point.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +15

      +Sean Manny well I took a poll on a previous video and most people think I should wear the suit and helmet for intro and then suit for the rest of the video. (75% of people) so that’s what I’ve been doing

    • @symbioticcoherence8435
      @symbioticcoherence8435 7 років тому +4

      I agree with what your poll said. I like the helmet, but together with your spectacles it seems kinda odd. I think you should get rid of the binocular though. It looks childish in contrast to the space suit, IMO.

    • @NarwahlGaming
      @NarwahlGaming 7 років тому +1

      Everyday Astronaut - For the next video, you should wear just a banana hammock for ol' Sean!

    • @BugRib
      @BugRib 7 років тому +1

      Naaaahhh. Don't change a thing.

    • @foobarbecue
      @foobarbecue 7 років тому +1

      Add a propeller beanie.

  • @haydenmacfarlane7194
    @haydenmacfarlane7194 7 років тому

    I know you had a poll in the last video but I like only having the helmet in the intro

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому

      +Hayden Macfarlane perfect! Thanks for letting me know!

  • @ultralaggerREV1
    @ultralaggerREV1 6 років тому

    1:03 this is the funniest and cutest part of the video about Dragon 😂😂😂

  • @deanseawa
    @deanseawa 7 років тому +5

    I got just a little over one minute into it and then the baby scene happened. That's as far as I got. Immediate exit.

    • @holytothelord116
      @holytothelord116 7 років тому +2

      DDD BBB neat

    • @isaacvanbaren2711
      @isaacvanbaren2711 7 років тому +2

      Well... Not immediate apparently. Took some time to write that nasty comment.

    • @jshepard152
      @jshepard152 4 роки тому

      @@isaacvanbaren2711
      More insightful than nasty.

  • @madkins0128
    @madkins0128 6 років тому

    I really don't expect to see propulsive landing with the Dragon Capsule to leave the playing field ... I expect that it will be proved but like the Falcon Heavy ... to be thoroughly vetted before unveiling. Per Elon, the Facon Heavy was nearly cancelled a number of times but still was realized ... to the tune of at least 21 million views at present. I appreciate the energy of SpaceX in their endeavors!!

  • @beterthanlife
    @beterthanlife 7 років тому +44

    11 minutes of blurb wrapped around a 30 second clip of Elon actually telling us why they won't pursue propulsive landing.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +26

      +beterthanlife part of science communication is providing context so they can understand the answer

    • @beterthanlife
      @beterthanlife 7 років тому +6

      Fair enough, but did we really need the history of SpaceX, again?

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому +22

      +beterthanlife some people don’t but according to the comments a lot of people did. I’m aiming at informing the general public and want to not assume everyone is on the same technical level. There’s PLENTY of sources out there for those of us who are looking for that.

    • @desert123100
      @desert123100 7 років тому +6

      I appreciated the brief history

  • @Choop4fun
    @Choop4fun 7 років тому

    Pretty neat channel, definitely subscribing. Like the way you lay things out. Thanks,

  • @codysett1
    @codysett1 7 років тому

    I got to work on some of the tooling for the dragon 2. Pretty cool stuff.

  • @LilStevie369
    @LilStevie369 3 роки тому +2

    Wow things have really changed

  • @saquist
    @saquist 7 років тому

    Thanks Everyday Astronaut for allaying my fears on this cancellation

  • @ecoheliguy
    @ecoheliguy 6 років тому

    With their pinpoint accuracy landing a booster. Maybe they just land the Dragon crew capsule in a body of water at the Cape, a couple initial landings at sea, and then move to a pond at the Cape

  • @deanwoodward8026
    @deanwoodward8026 5 років тому +1

    Math fail at @5:20 or so- 1 mile = 1.609 Kilometer, so 100mph ~= 160kph; not 62kph as stated. The second number looks right.

  • @user-hh1dl6bl5u
    @user-hh1dl6bl5u 4 роки тому +1

    2 Months later Bob and Doug are home safe and sound.

  • @Twistedwolf-ru2qk
    @Twistedwolf-ru2qk 6 років тому +1

    Judging from what I saw yesterday I think they got that propulsive landing down now.

  • @georgehayward7668
    @georgehayward7668 4 роки тому +1

    Love the channel, and having just read the comparison of both star liner and dragon I have just one question, why does Soyuz take more than twice as long as Dragon to get to the ISS.?

  • @eriksvensson9484
    @eriksvensson9484 4 роки тому

    This video was released one week before the plans of ITS (now Starship) was first showed. It's crazy to think that in just 3 years we have gone from first mock-ups of the ITS to now a fully built and assembled MK1 Starship! You go SpaceX!

  • @thirteenthandy
    @thirteenthandy 7 років тому

    Very good point about lumbering government programs chasing old ideas just because they started and have to finish. It really does make more sense to cancel a program, or an aspect of a program, as soon as it becomes clear that it doesn't add value.

  • @WilliamAndySmith-Romaq
    @WilliamAndySmith-Romaq 5 років тому

    I love the show! I look forward to seeing the comparison between the Space Shuttle development and SpaceX.

  • @andrewicase
    @andrewicase 7 років тому +1

    Really well done video. Keep up the good work!

  • @brianstabile165
    @brianstabile165 4 роки тому +2

    The dragon being born sence hahahahahhaha

  • @michaelb4932
    @michaelb4932 6 років тому

    I love channels like this. Instant subscription!! Keep it up 👍

  • @dawnfagan19
    @dawnfagan19 5 років тому

    The dragon capsule being hatched was soooooooooooooooooo cute!!!!!!!!

  • @freeroyaltyfreemusic3649
    @freeroyaltyfreemusic3649 7 років тому

    Please consider releasing some tracks under a CC license, as it'll get shared and used more :-) Love your work :-)

  • @playstationaddicts8279
    @playstationaddicts8279 7 років тому

    Thanks Tim,love it.

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому

      +SKINNY WIBBS glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for checking it out 👍

  • @deusexaethera
    @deusexaethera 6 років тому

    The Dragon Capsule doesn't need landing gear for Earth missions. As long as it has those side-mounted rockets for flight control, and a good GPS signal, it could touch-down in a specially-made pond filled with distilled water to minimize the post-landing cleanup. SpaceX has already proven it can target an area that small with a much bigger rocket booster, so landing a Dragon Capsule in an artificial freshwater pond should be a piece of cake.

  • @MikeWanDoe1
    @MikeWanDoe1 7 років тому +1

    Should have titled this “The History of SpaceX"

    • @EverydayAstronaut
      @EverydayAstronaut  7 років тому

      +MikeWanDoe1 context. My audience often doesn’t know how SpaceX has historically pivoted and how looking back it was the right move. Teaching history of this philosophy and reminding what the dragons purpose is can help us understand the reasoning. I aim to inform the general population, which means we often starts at page one. I understand if it’s too basic for you

  • @rolflandale2565
    @rolflandale2565 2 роки тому +1

    The Dragon simply needs added WINGS, figure that phrase🤔. Such as somethings do a massive air break moment *after* burn re-entry and flares, to slow down at near hover stall, to hatch spand fins/flaps *or* a double blade propellers, this is mostly feasable to Mars, can also on Earth the Dragon is actually too vertically slim, no broad span structure, for a sky dive.

    • @conanotoole
      @conanotoole Рік тому +1

      Your comment actually hurts my brain to read. All I got from it is that you think Dragon needs wings to make it feasible to land on Mars, even though wings are next to useless on Mars due to the insanely low amount of air to generate lift with.

  • @emaPug
    @emaPug 7 років тому

    liked especially for the music