The laziness of installation was hilarious. They could’ve easily called in Simplex to install a retrofit 4100ES for newer devices that may not of worked with the 4100+. Plus, the panel with the extra 4100 cards is actually known as a 4100 transponder. Transponders are like a level below a networked system and are mainly used in big complexes (like factories for example) that don’t need a full on network but still need additional equipment to cover the building. They operate communications with the panel on the RUI circuit.
Problem with that is that simplex today is a shell of its former self in terms of services. If you called them in to retrofit, the installation will probably be just as lazy as it was before. Simplex's service today is kind of shitty.
@@drum-corps-fan The main issue is Tyco/JCI’s business model. It is setup to where you have to use proprietary services because JCI wants to make all the money they can out of their products even if they have to rip off customers. Personally I think being proprietary for monetary gain is counterproductive because contractors and customers prefer to buy brands they can easily work on without complications. In fact, Simplex systems get replaced with other brands like EST and Honeywell because they are less proprietary and overall have a lot better servicibility options (I do know EST is still somewhat proprietary but they are more open and friendly to 3rd party distributors and openly offer courses to be certified to work on their system. Simplex forces you to work for them in order to get certified). Simplex is you either do it their way or no way. Another similar proprietary brand known as Siemens is even worse. At least the one thing simplex gets right is developing advanced and reliable solutions that actually work very well and have a lot of useful features other products don’t. Plus, these features can be accessed by anyone. It’s just the fact that anything over hardware repairs/maintenance requires simplex to get involved (which also comes with a bigger price tag) that drives customers away. If Simplex completely drops their proprietary behavior like with their new “Foundation Series”, they’ll not only get more business (and keep the business they still have), but race back to the top considering their products are some of the best and advanced stuff the fire alarm industry can offer.
@@TheCarson116 Yeah, JCI is running Simplex into the ground. JCI has even run the Johnson controls line of thermostats into the ground. Johnson controls used to be a pretty reputable company at one time, but over the last 20ish years, they kind of just said screw it in terms of customer service and reliability.
A lot of the buildings at the University of Akron have a Simplex 4100 series system. The library I work at has the same signaling devices, but on a notifier system.
This is a pretty cool system! Why were so many strobes out of sync and some devices in the gym not working? Also seems like a lot of different candelas. Do they still make these Wheelock Speaker Strobes?
Neat video, the whoop tone is cool. I can’t stand that message. It’s cool and all but in terms of functionality it makes no sense for most buildings. “Walk to the assigned re entry floor or main lobby” is not correct, I don’t know why it’s so common
yeah its kinda weird. Then again most 4100s are in large high rises so making the default the high rise message makes more sense. But they should have used the low rise message even though it takes extra effort
GO YOU JCI! for doing a bad job on installing this system! This system sure needs to be replaced with a proper networked Notifier NFS2-3030 voice evac system
3:31 I Love That Voice Message.
The laziness of installation was hilarious. They could’ve easily called in Simplex to install a retrofit 4100ES for newer devices that may not of worked with the 4100+. Plus, the panel with the extra 4100 cards is actually known as a 4100 transponder. Transponders are like a level below a networked system and are mainly used in big complexes (like factories for example) that don’t need a full on network but still need additional equipment to cover the building. They operate communications with the panel on the RUI circuit.
Problem with that is that simplex today is a shell of its former self in terms of services. If you called them in to retrofit, the installation will probably be just as lazy as it was before. Simplex's service today is kind of shitty.
@@drum-corps-fan The main issue is Tyco/JCI’s business model. It is setup to where you have to use proprietary services because JCI wants to make all the money they can out of their products even if they have to rip off customers. Personally I think being proprietary for monetary gain is counterproductive because contractors and customers prefer to buy brands they can easily work on without complications. In fact, Simplex systems get replaced with other brands like EST and Honeywell because they are less proprietary and overall have a lot better servicibility options (I do know EST is still somewhat proprietary but they are more open and friendly to 3rd party distributors and openly offer courses to be certified to work on their system. Simplex forces you to work for them in order to get certified). Simplex is you either do it their way or no way. Another similar proprietary brand known as Siemens is even worse. At least the one thing simplex gets right is developing advanced and reliable solutions that actually work very well and have a lot of useful features other products don’t. Plus, these features can be accessed by anyone. It’s just the fact that anything over hardware repairs/maintenance requires simplex to get involved (which also comes with a bigger price tag) that drives customers away. If Simplex completely drops their proprietary behavior like with their new “Foundation Series”, they’ll not only get more business (and keep the business they still have), but race back to the top considering their products are some of the best and advanced stuff the fire alarm industry can offer.
@@drum-corps-fan Yeah, & who's to blame for that? (among many other things) None other than one Johnson Controls International.
@@TheCarson116 Yeah, JCI is running Simplex into the ground. JCI has even run the Johnson controls line of thermostats into the ground. Johnson controls used to be a pretty reputable company at one time, but over the last 20ish years, they kind of just said screw it in terms of customer service and reliability.
@@achannelwithnopurpose1977 Couldn't have said it better myself! (though I also think pre-JCI Simplex is great)
A lot of the buildings at the University of Akron have a Simplex 4100 series system. The library I work at has the same signaling devices, but on a notifier system.
This will always be nostalgic! Don't ever replace!
they should keep the 4100 but just get rid of the useless 4010s
It'll have to be replaced at some point
@@stampynate0007 they aren't useless they still protect life. Just not properly programmed
Ooh classic 4100 and 4100+ voice evac tones right before the recent revised ones. on the 4100u and 4100es with 4007es too.
I've never seen a white version of those before.
I just added a red version to my collection this week.
This is a pretty cool system! Why were so many strobes out of sync and some devices in the gym not working? Also seems like a lot of different candelas. Do they still make these Wheelock Speaker Strobes?
1. Four different panels. As for the gym I dunno.
2. Dunno
3. Yes
Needs a good 3030 in its place 😎
Yuuuuup
Agreed!
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Neat video, the whoop tone is cool. I can’t stand that message. It’s cool and all but in terms of functionality it makes no sense for most buildings. “Walk to the assigned re entry floor or main lobby” is not correct, I don’t know why it’s so common
Yeah I agree. I feel like it confuses people more than helping them.
yeah its kinda weird. Then again most 4100s are in large high rises so making the default the high rise message makes more sense. But they should have used the low rise message even though it takes extra effort
@@FourtyFiftyEighty what even is the low rise message? I’m sure I’ve heard it but I can’t even remember what it is
@@FireAlarmDude5967This I think ua-cam.com/video/-3I0EGWyGcg/v-deo.htmlsi=rrzyfujiSpxu35Lt
@@FireAlarmDude5967Or this on 4100s ua-cam.com/video/-RtHCkBccMw/v-deo.htmlsi=IGhyh-65BaY5WE1m
What’s the point of having a cover
4:41
that's not dead that's just not a fire strobe? looks amber to me honestly
That wheelock
Have the exact same system in my school
GO YOU JCI! for doing a bad job on installing this system!
This system sure needs to be replaced with a proper networked Notifier NFS2-3030 voice evac system
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Why are there so many covers on the E70s? We’re they that scared about vandalism?
Probably Incase if the unit does not get damaged though or corroded from this corrosion
Well the speaker works, but not the strobe so the speaker is not dead
Markis 😂❤😅
What?
Wow. Look at all the unmarked cards.
A ghetto simplex 4100
05/13/1999
They just need to replace it with a 4100 ES.
You misspelled "Third 4010 into Walktest" as "Third 4010 int0 Walktest"
You forgot a period at the end of your sentence. 🤣
@@firealarmdiscovery oops!
@@joeycaridi3030 Im just giving you a hard time :) your all good!
One of my high school yearbooks has someone's last name with a zero in it (typo)!
@@neohistoryfan1014 oof
Goofy ahh system