Sound & Input Quirks on a 1994 Primal Rage Arcade PCB
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- Опубліковано 17 жов 2024
- Atari's classic Mortal Dinosaur Kombat game from 1994 has some strangeness going on, especially when playing at home using a Supergun. It uses the JAMMA standard, but also doesn't? Let's go over the additional cables and adapters you may need to get sound, music, and all four buttons for full fighting controls.
Sound board cables:
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JNX Rage v1.2 JAMMA adapter:
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Parsec v2.1 supergun for JAMMA I/O:
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OSSC for converting to HDMI:
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LGR Blerbs is freaking fantastic. Its just more LGR, which is exactly what I would expect and want.
LGR Unfiltered. It's probably not for everyone, but it really does it for the rest.
Nah, it sucks. Sorry, Clint but this could have easily been on the normal channel. You also did shorter sometimes 4-5 minute videos back then, like Quickies and stuff so why a second channel?
You're just adding another layer of UA-cam up-fuckery with the notifications and all.
I just don't think it was a wise decision.
@@hateeternalmaver I never understood what the logic for splitting up into multiple channels is.. You would have thought releasing content more often through one channel is better for growth as long as the audience is the same
@@hateeternalmaver @hateeternalmaver you guys are dumb... the point is to keep this different kind content separate from the main channel. a regular person might not want to see someone sperg out over a pcb (i do) for 15 mins so the content is separated from the main channel. you guys should be thankful there's actually someone talking about computer things in depth in an articulate and engaging manner on youtube (which linus doesnt even do) so stfu
Out of all the Mortal Kombat clones with digitized characters in the 90's, this probably has got to be the most unique of them all and the graphics surprisingly still hold up pretty well!
Indeed, they managed to have an own Style, from the Monsters, to the Sounds/Music.
I liked it, even if i never managed to be good in it, the Handling of the special moves isn't really good.
But at least i've played through one time with Armadon :)
I don't like to think of it as a MK clone. Yeah it has blood and fatalities, but gameplay wise, it's really nothing alike.
I love Mortal Kombat Games!
@@Azuris190 I loved the move system. Hold two buttons tap directions.
@@robertfoxworthy5503 I have to play it again with a bit more fresh mind :)
I think it can be really better, if you just throw your existing expactions about how it should be (Street Fighter 2) away^^
By overthinking it, it seems simpler and quicker to just do something.
I can't wait until there's a full blown LGRcade
If it isn't wood grain I'll be disappointed
I want there to be an LGC instead of quarters Lazy Game Coin
I second that!
Wood grain ddr machine let's goooooo
If he keeps this up, he's gonna have to hire staff.....
I was in Asheville for the day and I had to stop by the lucky rock at goodwill 😁 all the way from Panama City Florida
The Lucky Goodwill Rock.....LGR! Coincidence?? I think not!
A modern day pilgrimage
Should of stopped by and picked me up! Dothan, Al. here
I had this game on Super Nintendo. Played it for hours. My favorite character was Vertigo. I totally forgot about this game, but as soon as I saw the intro screen all the memories flooded out. Thanks Clint.
@Ryan Olsen the Super Nintendo version censored the golden shower though 😭
Very cool. I never thought I would see an LGR video of you talking about Primal Rage ever. On MAME yeah, the game has unemulated protection, according to MAMEs source code it has what is known as Atari XGA protection, this protection was also used in other Atari Games arcade games such as Space Lords (Which had it's Atari XGA protection broken making it work properly in MAME now), for Primal Rage according to the MAME source code in atarixga.cpp Primal Rage's part number (Likely the chip on the board) has been identified (It says its part number 136094-0004A), all we need to know is when the key is dumped and used to make the game work 100% on MAME (hopefully). The opponent will also never perform a finisher since the game is programmed to never let the AI enter the finisher part of the round, through hacking it is possible to trick the game since it only uses bit 01 for the AI player flag to have an AI opponent and anything higher will cause the AI to play and be able to go into this finisher part of the round. However since it was never programmed for the opponent to actually finish an opponent they will just jump around and attack, sometimes attacking the air, before the timer just goes over or they hit the opponent to end the finisher part of the match and win. Also all of the versions on home consoles and the PC DOS version all have issues compared to the arcade original, such as bugs, odd knock back (like in the Sega Saturn version), bad collisions (like in the PC DOS version, just try to play that version and do Vertigo's sweep on the opponent which is buttons 3+4 while crouching, it will never connect), and other issues that I am not mentioning since there are a lot I know of and I don't want to make this comment any longer. The Genesis version is also based on an old version (Version 1.7 more so then 2.3) so pretty much anything that isn't special moves is kind of useless since the hop jump was multiplayer exclusive in 1.7 and the high jump was a charge down then hit up rather then hit down and up very quickly. The sound also had a sub woofer in the cabinet which is probably what the audio board is normally set up to (I saw it on the bottom near the coin door when I played the cabinet that is at the Galloping Ghost Arcade).
I also would like to ask, how hard is it to play with all the buttons in a row like on the Neo Geo stick? I play on the Genesis version on a three button controller and its pretty difficult since everything is in a row but when the buttons are in a square, like the PS4 face buttons when I play the game on MAME it is perfect and I can play the game like normal. Just wondering, anyways sorry for the long block of text I just felt a little justified to write a lot of information on something I do know a lot about and just sharing some knowledge, good luck with finding or building a cabinet for this game. (PS: I do recommend looking up a moves list like you said in the video, it will make the game so much more fun trust me on that)
The AES stick isn't ideal, yeah. I have a Namco fight stick for PS1 that I plan to use instead since it'll give me a nice square grid of buttons, just waiting on an adapter to arrive.
Gruntzilla94 Thanks for creating MAME4RAGE2, without your work I would have never been able to play Primal Rage II.
My favorite version is actually the port on original Xbox. Even though emulation issues exist, it has the Japanese arcade version's controls. So you can do the specials either street fighter style or go with the original negative edge style. The Japanese arcade version as far as I know is only available at galloping ghost.
@Gruntzilla94
Did you ever get around to updating mame4rage2 on newer versions of mame to possibly make it work through retroarch?
@@Hated19134 I have heard that MAT2 uses Japanese Primal Rage moves but since I never played the Japanese version I can't confirm but it is interesting since the consoles (Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube) had the simplified moves for Primal Rage but the PC version of MAT2 (found in Midway Arcade Treasures Deluxe) goes back to the normal Version 2.3 moves instead but still has all of the other MAT2 changes just reverted the special moves. Also the issues in that version the worst ones are the inability to eat the worshipers in the eat mini game and Sauron moving at more then double his normal speed.
On MAME4Rage2 I haven't done anything to port it to libretro/Retroarch yet.
Do you have any estimates on how much longer it will take before the game will be up and running in MAME 100%? I am very curious, I remember playing this as a kid and thinking it was magical. I have not played it since but I never forgot how much fun I had.
Just like those shaped discs you mentioned on Twitter, I have never in my entire life seen someone set up an arcade board without the cabinet itself. That is so freaking rad.
Oh Look up Superguns, its how people run arcade boards without an Arcade cabinet. Some arcade games never had a dedicated cab, the board was sold with a conversion kit to modify an existing Cabinet to become a completely different game. Whats really wild is some people will take like Capcom CPS1 or CPS2 boards or the Neo Geo board and consolize it, make the arcade board into a Console as those boards have swappable games.
The Neo Geo was always the most obviously console-like Arcade system anyway. XD
I mean, the prevalence of single cabinets with multiple games outnumbered anything else...
Plus of course the home versions of the system - which are near enough the same hardware running the same games. (the cartridges are incompatible, but that's a DRM scheme - not to protect home cartridge sales - to protect against Arcades using the home cartridge... XD)
@@KuraIthys Oh yeah, they didn't want Arcade operators to use 'at the time' cheaper Home Carts on the MVS system. Just to see decades later the MVS arcade carts becomes cheaper than the AES home counter parts. And all they did was make sure the Pin out was different on the Cart. Software wise all the games were the same, and it was the System's Bios that determines Region and Arcade or Console Mode
Those high-frame-count sprite animations make me feel fuzzy inside, in my mind that aesthetic represents the peak of the arcade era.
It's what made the SNK Neo Geo so special
this is filmed LCD watched on a probably another LCD, arcade cabinet was a CRT and it looked even better. I remember this game from the arcade, but I didn't like playing it too much, just enjoyed watching others. There was Virtua Fighter Remix next to it, so yeah, that was the game of my youth
So it looks like protection is still unemulated in MAME, at least six months ago when someone brought it up in the MAME subreddit. According to that same thread, even the version on Midway Arcade Treasures 2 had the same issue since the protection was so well done even Midway couldn't undo it for this release. So, original PCB all the way.
Totally, it's just nuts that it's gone so long without being cracked. I bought that Treasures collection back in the day just for this game and was sorely disappointed!
What about the Saturn version? I have the arcade treasures 2 on PS2 but I was wondering if it was good on saturn.
@@Copper20 I wouldn't know, but I'm sure there are loads of videos right here on UA-cam that can answer your question. Just search for "Primal Rage Saturn" or similar.
Yep, there is a decryption chip on board to break the protection, which hasn't been reversed engineered into an algorithm. The problem is, it's an asic, it isn't a rom. It cannot be dumped, it would need to be etched and analyzed under magnification to be reverse engineered by a specialist. These people are too rare and quite frankly always have better things to do, sadly.
Even midway's own PC rerelease of the arcade version had the SAME issues MAME faces, meaning not even they could figure out how to break the protection. Wow. The guy they put on copy protection really went above and beyond on that one...
Or play the DOS port in DOSBox. It's not arcade perfect, but it's pretty close, and certainly less of a hassle/expense than tracking down an arcade board, having to buy a Supergun etc.
I find version comparison videos really satisfying. That'd make a lovely blerb
Primal Rage is one of my favorite arcade fighting games. I absolutely love it. Diablo was my favorite character.
Blerbs is like the special features of a dvd box set. I love it.
Atari at least in my eyes has always funky, and odd when it comes to hardware making things more difficult then it needed to be, and this board just proves it.
The visuals on the arcade looks so clean just having the game board alone can lead to one amazing custom arcade cabinet with art it will look astonishing taking the time to do it
No understanding of what you talk about in this video but I humbly appreciate you looking into this oldie. You're like, an archaeologist in my eyes.
I played this game a lot and enjoyed the "territory take over aspect to it" Thanks for showing this
I have an original dedicated cab and it is also currently running 2.3 and the cabinet itself is just so unique everything from the control panel that slides out with the board right there or the built-in sub box and is probably one of the most amazing sounding cabinets that I've ever owned
One of few games in the small arcade I used to go to as a kid, extremely fond memories. Really loved watching this, thanks.
One of my favorites too. You've inspired me to get working on finishing my custom cabinet. Thanks!
I remember this game from when I was a teenager. It was in the Godfather's tiny arcade, along with Super Off Road with the 4 steering wheels. My friend from back then would always mimic the bird sound and annoy everyone. Oh the memories. I really miss arcades. They were so much fun.
Arcades aren't gone, they're just really hard to find and often have more prize machines than actual arcade games.
you'll be my hero if you get a 3dfx hardware based console up and running. cheers for this vid, i really love the power of these arcade machines.
Thanks so much for posting this video! Very helpful as I’m currently shopping for a Primal Rage board set, myself. I happen to also use a Parsec and OSSC setup, and I’m happy to inform you that your Parsec supports stereo through JAMMA! All you need to do is switch on the JNX and Parsec stereo switches while everything’s off. I also recommend turning on the audio ISO (isolation) switch, again while powered off. I do this for my Neo Geo MVS and get very lovely stereo audio. Just be sure to put it back on mono for all your normal JAMMA boards (e.g. TMNT). It might be bad to still have the stereo on, I’m thinking since it’s a positive and negative channel for sound for the mono JAMMA audio standard whereas the stereo (Neo Geo style) is two positives, a left and right channel.
I like how the idle animations play forward and then backwards to extend them. It gives this game a unique look.
I have a dedicated pc that runs Big Box and Game box to emulate all my favorite arcade games and use an X-Arcade joystick it works great. I have to admire the dedication it takes to firstly acquire the board and one that works and then get the adapters and go through all the work it takes to get 1 game going just like it was in the arcade almost the true experience minus a cabinet. Hats off to you i loved Prima Rage this is so cool.
every single video or channel this guy makes is really good
I love how instead of just showing the game's screen/video feed, you have the whole board all splayed out, yum
It's cool seeing what was inside all those huge arcade machines I played as a kid. Clear plastic cabinets should've been a thing!
I was just watching some Primal Rage gameplay last night after forgetting all about that cabinet. What a coincidence!
Hearing that attract mode audio again really took me back to the bowling alley arcade. Good memories!
Love this classic game. First time i played it was on the SNES. I've played the arcade version a few times in the 90s and haven't seen one since. I have the game in long box form on Play Station. Great video.
I love that you customized your SNK AES Arcade stick. I ended up swapping out all the buttons for 24mm Seimitsu buttons on mine. Oh and I replace the ball top with a different one as mine was cracked. I replaced the DE 15 pin cable too as the one I received, the cable was falling apart.
It also have me an opportunity to take apart, clean the joystick assembly and relube it with some Molykote .
Also bonus points for the Neo Geo MVS cart, King of Monsters 2 is fun game.
My favorite was when the cabinets I played had really good speakers with a lot of bass too. This game was so freakin fun.
The top of the monitor is perfectly aligned
My nearest amusement park (Lagoon in Farmington, Utah) has this game in its arcade. Ironically Nolan Bushnell once worked there, and you know who he is.
Pizza Cade that park is near me too
I was visiting my gf’s family last year and we went to Lagoon for the day! Little did I know the arcade had Primal Rage and I had to stop and play it a bit for old time’s sake. I hadn’t seen a cabinet in the wild since I was a kid.
This game used Atari’s CAGE Total Immersion Audio board, which is DCS on steroids, and is capable of multichannel sound (up to 4.1 surround sound); Primal Rage used 2.1 stereo sound, with a subwoofer.
They were available in either the dedicated cabinet or their deluxe Showcase 33 cabinet.
Loving the second channel man, all the way from Australia
We had a Primal Rage at the arcade I used to work at. Always a very popular cabinet!
Never stop with the arcade vids. Just awesome!
...I didn't know that my Wednesday night wouldn't be complete without watching you play several rounds of Primal Rage. 😂
Hitting that "add credits" button has got to feel awesome.
I didn't realize the characters were stop motion. That _is_ super cool!
Bro I still love the people who would pray to your character during the fight, I miss the 90s.
Nothing says 90's like dinosaurs and mortal kombat'esque fighting games
I love primal rage game!
This is awesome. The Blerbs are great! Thanks Clint!
Really enjoyed this one, would love to see more about these arcade board and cabinets, how they work, what it takes to get them working now, and of course just some good old gameplay! Very interesting, thanks!
Congrats on the sweet Primal Rage setup! I loved that game as a kid myself. Next up, consider a cabinet made out of Clay Fighter (1993).
My still favorite of the clay animation games from those days was clay fighter. Just way too hilarious a game.
I’m glad you’re showcasing the arcade stuff. Maybe an in depth video on this stuff??
So fun! Random question: with all of your time recording narration for videos, do you find yourself talking out loud to yourself more often now, even away from the camera, than you used to? Seems like it would be a easy pattern in fall into.
Definitely. It's weird.
I remember playing this on PC in the late 90's. The name stuck with me.
Clint, but can watch you hours playing this game or any game actually. You're fantastic.
Low key great game. SD had a great tournament scene in the 90s at Wunderland Arcade and Yellow Brick Road. Love whippin out the R Kelly finisher on people with Chaos.
The game was also unique at the time as the game used negative edge inputs for special moves and combos.
Everytime I forget why everyone was so wowed by the SNES arcade conversions I'm reminded how massive the arcade boards were and then go back to the past to be amazed they crammed all that into a SNES cartridge just done years later.
Building a custom cab is a fun project . I did one for my own Donkey Kong Cabaret (it's actually running a Crazy Kong) . And there's plenty of resources online for things like that now
This game is infamously finnicky, the copy protection is a real nightmare, and it hasn't been emulated better than about 90 to 95% accuracy to this day. Truly a strange game, but a surprisingly deep one to play.
The arcade I went to back in 94 /95 had one of the deluxe showcase models of the game with the 33 inch screen. Loudest unit in the whole arcade.
I love Primal Rage. I used to play it all the time at the arcade as a kid. Then a a Pizza Hut near me. I even had some of the action figures they had. So awesome.
Ah Primal Rage, used to play this all the time at a local roller rink back in the day.
I’d love to see some more in-depth talk on the parts, how they all talk together, etc. from you.
holy crap! is this the latest version of Primal Rage?? dude i would watch a five hour longplay of this, ive wanted my hands on this game since grade school!
When Clint said he wanted to get a cabinet for it, I tried poking around a bit. Two guys are each selling complete arcade versions, cabinet and all...for about $1000 each.
I think maybe BUILDING one might be the better choice. Maybe.
Its so cool to see someone I watch interested in arcade stuff aswell as me. Atari/Midway boards are very weird designs in general so it doesn't surprise me that they play about with non-standard specs. I have a Gauntlet Dark Legacy boardset which was my favourite, especially because it uses a standard PCI Voodoo 2 (there's no special protection, I've used many 12MB cards before they became expensive). Was also the first board where a tantalum capacitor decided to spontaneously catch fire. Also, noticed that the converter you're using is using YPbPr Component? How compatible do you find that with TV/Monitors? Does it do any scaling?
And now this video will show up when someone does a search for Primal Rage issues and fixes, giving them much needed info :D
I hope so!
I really love arcade games, but am stuck emulating them, playing home ports or running ones that are cracked and use wibdows pc standard. I just like the test menus and quirks like that.
While emulating, my favorite fact is that Naomi and atomiswave arcade platforms (dreamcast and slight 3rd party modification of naomi) save your credit status live in case of sudden power off or crash, once booted again the system remembers the credits.
There is so much things to experience through test menus etc. Such as setting jamma or external sound in street fighter 3 or Jojo, knowing to use event or freeplay modes, and more.
NICEEEEE the graphics are SO cool to see since I've seen the game gear version......makes me want it out of pure nostalgia. Sounds like a big good luck in finding the cabinet though. Thanks for sharing.
When I was a child living in Arizona, our local indoor skate ring had a working Primal Rage cabinet in their arcade corner, alongside classics like Virtua Cop 2.
Rink, skating rink.
That RAGE adapter board that was a 1 of 2 limited run.... it appears to be the simplest board to have ever boarded .... You could personally reproduce that with relative ease, then even sell them I'd think. I mean... with today's silkscreen and PCB printing options, you could have that PCB shipped to you in bulk, as well as the literal few items needed to populate them. You have one, so reverse engineering would be as easy as continuity mode on the meter, and just tracing and logging..... Easy peasy
Between this and your videos on your missile command cabinet, will arcade stuff be a new genre on your channels? I’m loving it! I really want to get into collecting PCBs and get a supergun but I really don’t know where to even start, so I learn a lot from these vids
Nice video. :)
I expected to see about 100 posts suggesting Mike Murray from The Greek Pup when the phrase "making an arcade cabinet" came up.
Although I'm sure LGR already knows about the 8 bit guys brother.
Primal Rage. Oh baby. This is one of my favorite fighting games ever and it truly needs a reboot/re-release.
@LGR Blerbs - I just got a Primal Rage PCB set but didn't come with screws. Could you please tell me the length of the screws that hold and connect the smaller boards to the main board? Is it like a 1.5 inch screw?
I never paid much attention to this game during my arcade-haunting days, but the visuals are very cool! I'd like to see a side-scrolling beat-em-up with the same character models, something like "Streets of Primal Rage"!
7:50 lol those celebration moves though...
A very underrated gem.
I forgot how cool the opening movie was of this.
I remember seeing this in the arcade back in the day and thinking "bloody hell!"
Yeah!
I have a love hate relationship with arcade hardware. I'm about to inherit a semi working partial mame candy unit and I can't wait to spend countless hours trying to get it to work right. I love your blerbs!
Putt Putt was THE place back in the 90s to play arcade games. If they didn’t have it, you wouldn’t have wanted to play it. I’m pretty sure I single handedly wore out the steering wheels on the Super Off Road machines at one I played at regularly.
dude YES. Super Off Road, Daytona USA, Cruis'n World, so many good racers played there. Always had a great assortment of fighters too, that was the first place I played Tekken and Dead or Alive!
KILLER INSTINCT is my favorite 90's Arcade game
I spy two Neo Geo carts! One better be Metal Slug! Loving seeing more arcade stuff coming out, welcome to the madness!
Ha, the other one is Metal Slug! Also have MS2 and X, ya gotta love those games.
@@LGRBlerbs Very nice! X still kicks my butt. You got an consoled MVS or cab?
Nah, I just have an MV1FZ that I plug it into a supergun using the same setup shown in this video. Works great!
@@LGRBlerbs nothing wrong with that, it's a great setup and saves some space! I've said this before but if you ever need a hand troubleshooting or whatever , feel free to reach out. It's really a fun hobby.
You should do a vid on JAMMA superguns and arcade hardware like old PCB's. Growing up in the death of the arcade era in the early 2000's, I was lucky enough to experience games like Sunset Riders, Time Crisis, OG Tekken, and many other games at this knock-off Chuckie Cheese as a kid called GattiLand. 1st time I seen the PCB for Sunset Riders later on, I was blown away at how big the hardware is required to run that ONE game. It truly was a feat of technology to compress THAT into one cartridge, or CD sometimes. Now you can play it on MAME with the rom that is only a few megabytes. Technology has come a long fucking way!!
Primal rage was and still is my arcade jam!!!!!
Talon and Sauron are my mains!! Their fatalities is sooooo gory than Mortal Kombat.
Jamma Nation X, love that guy.
lol the arcade addiction has really started to take a hold
Do you know what kind of volts PR uses? I just got a board myself and am looking to put it into a cabinet but this'll be my first time working with real hardware.
@lgr If you want full range stereo sound from the sound board. You'll want to rewire JSPK left & right line out (1 - 4) to the mainboard. Otherwise you'll be getting high / subwoofer levels. Audio Configuration booklet has more detail.
This is how I have my board setup with my supergun and receiving sound system.
I had a dinosaur toy as a kid and had no idea until just now that it was Sauron from this game.
It's a shame you don't see fighting games with imaginative fighters like this much. They all seem to have a similar setting these days.
Dude you gotta do some arcade pcb vids on your main channel. It sounds like you have enough to put together a who's who and future plans for kinda video. That way you've done legwork for a jumping off point for future vids... You can just pick up with the updates and refer back to the first vid. Im sure people are interested in this stuff enough to warrant a few videos on it. Your previous cabinet videos seemed to be pretty well recieved anyways.
Fingers crossed! Lol
Cheers!🍻
This stuff is amazing. Earlier I underestimate this game, maybe because different input in comparison other fighting games, especialy quite annoying with Sega Mega Drive 3 button controller. But now I see this game has own climat, more in arcade version. I will be happy if will be video about Primar Rage 2 (but I know there's few PCB's, because it's not even finished).
Oh yes Primal Rage one of the most underrated games by Atari in 1994. When it came out it was awesome it was like mortal Kombat instead of humans you have Dinosaurs and Two Giant Apes. Also the interesting part is the Copy Protection because it was never been defeated as such the most rom dumps don't work do the Tedious Copy Protection as result it doesn't on MAME very well and that's sucks since the original PCB are getting quite expensive this days. Still is awesome see in action.
SUBSCRIBED!! Did you get a JP21 RGB with the OSSC? Also, did you connect hdmi to the OSSC?
honestly man, you don't care to answer questions?
9:42 "Go home and be a family raptor!"
LOL!!!
Primal Rage one of the best games every made. I spend hour and more money the I should have playing it. Bring backs great memories.
Can't wait till you build your arcade cab.I did one years ago with a raspberry pi. I wish I could of done it this way with the actual boards, but it was already exspensive building it all by hand and really don't have the technical know how to set then up.
I loved this game on SNES but wow does it look so much better on Arcade.
You should do a video on the DOS version. It's just a weirdly well done port, out of the slew of other ports, it one of the best. It's surprising well done in terms of performance. It also has Midi music, which is worth hearing, just because 'midi'. I remember getting it for PC back in the day and blowing my friends away with how close it was to the arcade version.
Does has three versions the for 2mb, 8mb, 16mb ram versions. The 16mb version is the most arcade accurate of the three variants. The Saturn port was was the most accurate for character sprites sizes.
Now let's see some King of the Monsters 2 on Neo Geo MVS.
My name IRL is Talon, and I approve of your character choice.
That's an insanely cool name.
this channel is so comfy
I'd go to the ends of the urth for a good working primal rage cabinet!