You can really tell how much Nvidia purposely gimped everything below the 5090. The 5080 having 50% less CUDA cores, 50% less memory bus, and 50% less memory bandwidth. The 5080 should be up there with specs near the 4090, considering it'll be over 2 years newer. They really want that 5090 to have a huge performance advantage over all their other cards, in hopes more people will just shell out for the 5090.
@@davidmacfarlane4761 Exacly, and what has NVidia learned from this? That they can do the same thing again, but only bring the "12GB edition", so people don't have the other one to compare to... So this time people and influencers will and up being like "uh, it's kinda ok, I GuEeSs!?" instead of the last time push back.
I read a rumour (which I have a hard time believing) that since it looks like Intel is about to have a big hit with the B580 that Nvidia will be selling the 5060 at $199 to undercut them. We shall soon see..
@@ZilgameshMoney is everything for every company, Intel just can't afford to do the shit Nvidia and, to a lesser extent, AMD have been doing. That said, I wouldn't expect Intel to be your saviour, either. Battlemage is intentionally a very low stock product line.
@@alexeythekillerthe issue here is that other than CUDA and RTX Nvidia cards aren't that much better than competitors, and RTX isn't even _that_ exclusive to Nvidia cards unlike CUDA
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk I wonder if we can just swap those vram chips out and let it rip, we already know the controller are supporting large capacity vram but Nvidia decide to choke them out, why can't we just replace the onboard ram chips and make it run with bigger memory...?
@@Savilianayou would also need a bios to go with the hardware and Nvidia has historically been tight-gripped with their bios and their stance on bios modding
@@Saviliana That only works if you can find some matching VRAM chips, desolder the old chips, solder the new ones, and flash a correct VBIOS to make the GPU recognize the chips. Not impossible by any means, but not really doable for 99.99% of users.
8gb is useless exactly like tepid water: too much for budget non gaming GPUs, too little for gaming GPUs. (cold water is refreshing, hot water is good for a shower, tepid water sucks at both)
It's about China, not an 80-Ti. Export sanctions of AI-capable tech to china limits their sales opportunities. The 5080 is cut to be "just barely" china-export-sanctions-compliant.
in 6 years there's going to be a UA-cam video of someone soldering 16 more gb of vram onto it and proving it still has the horsepower to beat out an 8060ti if it wasn't VRAM constrained.
@@kcl5038 If you can find a VBios for a 5090 GPU for thet much VRam, sure. Otherwise, no. Nvidia is very stingy with their BIOS tools, so getting into them is very difficult.
I'm still trying to understand why that Witcher 4 trailer had to note it was pre-rendered on an unannounced GPU. If it was pre-rendered, who the hell cares what it was running on? LOL!
That's true. That means it's not running within the engine, which is a lot harder to do. (Culling, chsnging out models with lower poly ones, etc.) But, hey, at least it looks good, right? They could have said anything else instead of saying it was pre-rendered. It's probably to say it won't look that good in the engine at full speed, though.
Yea, but. NVidia's Dlss4 is set to save the world i read, stop war, cure disease, solve poverty and apparently it has ram compression so its going to use less ram, so Nvidia 8gb = intel 12gb.... Sorry, this joke made me laugh anyway. and im not saying ram compression wont be good in time, but its not going to save an 8gb gpu today.
Dude watch theyre gonna put it behind a paywall soon. I'm so fed up with people harping on getting duped into taking software into account with a hardware purchase.
I could understand nvidia being mean with the memory if they were struggling to get down to a super-lean price point, but given that they are borderline price gouging at this point, it's inexcusable.
jensen huang is evil, you can't change my mind. literal supervillain. I cannot stand the man, and I do not watch his lame keynotes. he has "I wish I was Steve Jobs" energy and it's pathetic lol
The real super villians are the people buying this sh*t, they basically think oh this is my money I can buy anything with, it's not harming anyone, when in reality it's harming literally everyone else by giving these companies every reason to inflate the prices
I appreciate the casual, down to earth and as if you're talking directly to us type of communication. It makes watching longer videos much more enjoyable to watch. No annoying youtuber voices, exaggerated hype, etc
Just step away from nvidia. 3k for a single part is insane. You used to be able to put together high end PCs for less than that. I've been on team green for most of my life but enough is enough. My B580 is doing well though. As for Sony... I... I got nothing. Hope everything that's on playstation eventually moves to PC, I guess?
What's insane is, I saw a watercooled 4090 for $2000+. Nvidia is definitely not worth it. Raytracing is nice, but it's not worth it. A much better choice is looking at indie games rather than top 'triple a' games. Retro gaming is also definitely worth it.
@@lasvista2techYou know PC gaming is doomed when people are excited about the B580 which its just a 4060 with 4 more gb of vram. Budget GPUs are still much slower in speed than they should be like 20% uplifts per gen since 20 series. B580 is ok at best but it still sucks in comparison to what we used to get and should be getting.
@ nvidia is lazy if that were the reason all they would do is increase the price of the base models instead of coming up with whole new products although I guess you could argue they’d be using bad 5090 chips
I'm curious how many fires will be started by these vid cards this time around. 5090 uses more power and that was the issue with that 600v plug to much power for the tiny pins to handle. They never fixed this design flaw.
@Dexion845 precisely, there is No incentive to Pay more for this little increase in cores. Seems like a bad move from Nvidia. But maybe there is something we dont know yet;) they can have gimped the 5070 TI in some way. These specs makes me less excited for a new launch and make me wait for super launches later.
I think you have one misconception, the best chips have never been for gaming. Those chips are always reserve for workstation, it's the same thing for CPU.
That's why we have H100, Quadro, etc. RTX 5090 possess the "RTX" naming and thus uses Game Ready drivers as default one. Please be nice to give users GAME READY GPU, ayo
The quadro branding has basically been retired, only somtimes found with retailers. Now the workstation class (not server ones) also carry the same rtx branding. The rtx 6000 is an example of that.
I say a PC is still worth it if you're going to play indie games or want to do some work. Otherwise, trying to play 'modern' titles, definitely not worth it.
You can jack up the vram to lightspeed memory. If you don't have capacity to match, it's useless. Especially with most games allocating 8gb of vram or more while using 7 ish.
At this point, Nvidia seems greedier than apple, the mini M4 is actually a cheap and powerful little pc for the 'low end", unlike the lower end Nvidia products
Every card except the 5090 is cut down in some way, just like 40 series. The 5090 will be the fastest gpu across the board with the most vram of any card nvidia offers. It'll likely cost both kidneys and a mortgage payment to get one though.
@Efsaaneh im sure the whole 50 series will fit right into the "it's only $100-200 more so I might as well" range just that much more performance with just that not enough ram. Just work your way up the justification ladder and you can have something that seems finally enough for the low price of sixteen bazillion dollars
5000 series is almost like 2000 series. very limited node improvements. just massive die for 5090. and overclocked 80 70 60 series with better memory. we looking at 10% boost for 5080 below
A couple corrections for early in the video. AD 102 for the 4090 isnt the larget die. AD 100 is the larget. GB 202 isnt the largest die, its the GB 200. Also. The first 2 in 202 means iteration on the same process node, not its priority. So AD 102 and GB 202 are on the "same node" or same class of node. Nodes go like this 100 102 104 106 108. Any odd numbers are cut down varians. Like 103, 107.
I just spent at least 17:59 minutes and will spend the additional however much is remaining watching GPUs that I will never in my wildest dreams be able to afford.
Seriously spending that much money on gaming doesn't make sense gaming is expense, my whole budget is 500$ and 5600+6700xt is still the best budget 1440p combo
Rtx 5070ti 12gb laptops are not gonna be cheaper than 2500€ in the best case, imagine that even 5070 laptops has 8gb vram and those will come with 14th gen cpus 😢
The worst part is, this is easily the best way for amd to contest with nvidia. Strangle theme in the accessible markets, give better pricing and performance there, and then use that to spread the name and funnel gamers towards the desktop gpus.
@@tumultoustortelliniI wouldn't say so, Nvidia's mind share for laptops is crazy. Nvidia stickers sell, buyers don't know what an "AMD Radeon" is. Intel could do something with good marketing though.
In 2027 ps6 launches with 32gb shared system memory. Anything we buy now with less than 16gb vram will be relevant for 2 years up to 1080p so dont overpay on a gpu now. Buy something for 2 years.
@evaone4286 Still the new platform will have a lot more than the 12-13 game designers opt for now and judging from titles like indiana jones or spacemarines and many others, its gonna be a tough ride so dont invest into a 4080 or 5080 or anything above 500-600 with less than 16gb vram hoping for 5 years of good usage its not gonna happen.
I'll be holding on to my 4080 Super for now. I think given the absolutely humongous gulf between the 5090 and the 5080 that we will likely see the return of the 80 Ti class product this generation. I think a 24GB VRAM and 15,000+ cuda core variant of a 5080Ti is quite likely 9-12 months on from launch, splitting the difference nicely between the two cards either side of it.
TDP stands for "thermal design power" and refers to the amount of heat the device can potentially generate. This number is usally lower than the maximum power concumption because the conversion between power in and heat generated isn't 1:1. TDP is designed to inform how much cooling power is required.
Would it be worth it to upgrade to the 4070 super right now for about 675-700 USD, or wait for the new 50 series gen and see which matches the price range and go for it?
if you are gonna upgrade to something ( especially for the long term ) try to get a 16gb card minimum, 4070ti super or 7900xt, and if you want something from new gen, 5070Ti looks to be the best card to get
@@tumultoustortellini I went: 1070 -> 4070 super Ryzen 1800x -> 5700x 16GB Ram -> 32 GB of ram Wi-Fi 5 -> WiFi 7 For me it was a massive upgrade I wasn’t able to play games like cyber punk to now being able to play 4K ultra settings at 60fps without ray tracing I will keep this set up probably until 6000 series if it’s a decent price but will most likely be going full AMD next time
@ my biggest worry is that VRAM is already a problem in some titles and that shouldn’t be the case I will have to upgrade by the time the 6000 series comes out
5090 = $1999 - 5080 = $1699 - 5070Ti = $1349 - 5070 = $1199 - 5060 = $749 Can call me on my bullshit predictions, but we all know NVIDIA will overprice the living shit out of these cards.
5090 will likely be $1999 i can agree. The rest would be cheaper than your prediction (still will be too expensive for our liking) My prediction is that pricing would be something like this: 5090 = $1999 5080 = $1099 5070 Ti = $899 5070 = $699 5060 = $499
there is no "we", you are alone on this bullshit, yes for the 5090 but the rest is ridiculous and you know it, the 4080 didn't sell at 1200 so they had to rename it and give it a lil boost and a price cut for it to become good enough
5090 32gb = 1999$ 45% faster than 4090 80% faster at rt 5080 16gb = 1200$ 20% faster than 4080 60% faster at rt 5070 ti 16gb = 800$ 20% faster than 4070 ti(not super) 40% at rt 5070 12gb = 600$ 20% faster than 4070(not super) 40% at rt 5060ti 16gb = 500$ 15% faster than 4060ti (8gb) 30% faster at rt 5060 12gb = 329$ 10% faster than 4060 20% faster at rt If 5060 comes with 8gb its dead anyway
if the 5060 is 10% faster than the 4060 id still buy the arc b580 anyways since it costs 250 and it comes with 12 gb vram and 10% faster than the 4060 sometimes more not like the 5060 which has 8 gb vram expected
TDP is thermal design power, and is typically used to refer to chip power, mostly for CPUs. TGP, total graphics power, would be the GPU equivelant, sort of, but it would also likely include just how much power it takes to run the GPU including the VRAM, this seems to mostly be used when referring to laptop GPUs. TBP is the total board power, meaning how much power does the GPU, cooling, and everything typically suck up during max load under default boost settings. This would be the number you're looking for in a desktop graphics card. but it wouldn't surprise me to see a news article or gaming site using the wrong initials to refer to a board's power.
The 1 in AD102 means it's the first iteration with that codename. The 2 in GB202, the first 2, means that it's the second iteration. Us gamers didn't get the first iteration of Blackwell. Similar story with Maxwell. Remember how we went from the GTX 700 series to the GTX 900 series? It happened again then too. Look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about. Also it happened with Fermi but they made 2nd gen fermi the GTX 500 series.
Kept buying X(X)70 series from Green because of drivers being more stable and OK for my needs/budget. Guess 5070 won't deserve more attention than 4070. 5070ti would be the actual logical way to go but Green has become Greed. Too much is too. I'll MORE THAN probably wait for RX8800 or B770. Please hold on my faithful 2070.
33:00 Speaking of the 4090 ti, not sure how well known this is but about 2 years ago Ubisoft had some settings article in Rainbow Six Siege where they were using a 4090 ti. Dont know what to make of it but maybe some companies were able to get it
Minor gripe, there is no costed, as a past-tense version of COST. The ED does seem plausible, as that is what we add to many words to denote past-tense. I would say..."It originally cost, X dollars". AD, would work with "It was originally PRICED, at X dollars.
All the non ti cards (except 5090) are make to look bad to upsell people to the ti versions (5090 in the 5080s case). And i bet we will later get super versions which are the versions you’ll actually wanna get when sales slow down.
About the part about the "Possible VRAM upgrades coming" If you look at the graph for the 5090, you'll notice that 5090 is the only card where the yellow bar for Memory Clock 28Gbps isn't filled all the way up to 100%. Which means this is most likely done to leave room for upgrades? :) hmmm
the x60Ti having more VRAM but less performance than the x70 has always been bizarre. It'll hit the performance limit before it ever reaches the Vram limit, so most of the time the memory is wasted.
22:16 all depends if there is any GPU to buy, cuz i didnt saw any B580 in online shops of my area, not even listed, and the few ones i see on amazon are like 400€ wich is stupid to buy them at that price, i inly wish they could make more stock... 😢
I hate the 16-pin just for safety factor alone 8 pin has 1.9 safety factor so it could theoretically handle 288W while 16pin has 1.1 so it could handle 684W. Most things will usually have 1.2-1.5 safety factor and I dont like going from nice overengineered power connector to something that could burn if it goes to its specified power.
If Nvidia launches the 5080 at the 4080 S price, I can definitely see a $2k 5090, especially with GDDR7. I could also see the 5080 S launching at the 4080's price
nVidia doesn't care about the gaming market anymore. They dumped us for AI, which is also why they push so much for crazily unoptimized games to make use of frame generation (which causes input lag since it's a fake post-process guess instead of actually responding to inputs).
im more interested on the low - mid range 250 and under if nvidia is willing to let 5060 at 250-280 range it would sell like hot cakes but its nvidia they rather put a premium on its its going to be 350 range + - . that 50% cut on cores is a sweet spot for nvidia to put something 5080ti or super if the market sway for it
I don't think I'll ever by a 90 series Nvidia GPU. Thousands of dollars is just insane, not even mentioning water-cooling it from the factory (even higher price). Yeah, i think I'm good.
They will release next year new cards with the new 3gb gddr7 modules. 5060 super 12gb, 5060 ti super 24gb? 😑 5070 super 18gb, 5070 ti super/5080 super both with 24gb and 5090 ti/super with 48, ofc they will overcharge for those cards. The only Nvidia card that might be decent for its price( I m talking about the leaked cards) is 5070 ti, 4080 super is 1200€+ in my country, while the 4070ti super is 950€+, 5070 ti s performace probably is right there with 4080/4080 super, 5070 ti with 800€ would be nice, but if amd will come with a 20gb card with same performance and price. It will be a better choice
$800 4070 class good value lol. everything under the 5090 is garbage because of prices, that and they will be hardly faster than the 4000 series. Nvidia has ai, they don't have to bother.
What planet are you living on? A 4070 is like 500-600 dollars. Getting that level of performance for 800 is a bad deal. Hell, the 4070 super is less than 800 too.
The 5080 deserved at least 18gb of vram.. cause based on the specs, that’s kind of a decent increment from the 4080. But due to the no vram increase is why I’m keeping my 4080SUPER.
Easy choice: Buy a "older" 4060 laptop. With DLSS and framegen, 50 series literally won't have any advantages over the older series. At least in the lower skews. DLSS and framegen will make up for that less performance.
software into account when they're buying hardware. so now the GPUs are getting worse and worse while everyone is talking about how great Nvidia is for DLSS. it's straight up stockholm syndrome.
Why touch 4060 in the first place? Get a 6650xt, and a computer that costs 550 dollars instead of a stunted laptop that costs 600 for worse performance
Unless you for some reason really like their software, I'd say avoid Nvidia (yes, even if most companies optimize Nvidia cards first). VRam is the most important part and Intel and AMD offer better price to performance. Unless you really enjoy Ray Tracing, which, it's just a gimmick to sell more cards, it's not worth it. Nvidia really likes gouging their cards and holding back on what the consumers can buy from them (like raising prices due to their AI stuff and VRam despite VRam being pretty cheap).
16:41 285 watt card is kinda crazy... meanwhile over in team red the 7900XT and XTX just chilling. Ive actually got my XT undervolted to around a 290w pull since where i moved to power costs more.
You can really tell how much Nvidia purposely gimped everything below the 5090. The 5080 having 50% less CUDA cores, 50% less memory bus, and 50% less memory bandwidth. The 5080 should be up there with specs near the 4090, considering it'll be over 2 years newer. They really want that 5090 to have a huge performance advantage over all their other cards, in hopes more people will just shell out for the 5090.
4080 12GB also had 50% less cores, 50% less bandwidth and 50% less VRAM than 4090.
5080 is clearly a successor of 4080 12GB.
@@stangamer1151Except that the 4080 12 GB got killed off by public outrage before it was even born.
Tey also wana keep 4090 price up. So 5080 is worse
@@davidmacfarlane4761 Exacly, and what has NVidia learned from this? That they can do the same thing again, but only bring the "12GB edition", so people don't have the other one to compare to... So this time people and influencers will and up being like "uh, it's kinda ok, I GuEeSs!?" instead of the last time push back.
@@davidmacfarlane4761 Public has nothing to do with this. The one and only reason why $900 4080 transformed into $800 4070 Ti was $1000 7900 XTX.
8gb for the 5060 is crazy when the b580 is at 12gb
Money money money is everything for Nvidia
Intel for the rescue giving us budget GPU
Apple syndrome
I read a rumour (which I have a hard time believing) that since it looks like Intel is about to have a big hit with the B580 that Nvidia will be selling the 5060 at $199 to undercut them. We shall soon see..
@@ZilgameshMoney is everything for every company, Intel just can't afford to do the shit Nvidia and, to a lesser extent, AMD have been doing.
That said, I wouldn't expect Intel to be your saviour, either. Battlemage is intentionally a very low stock product line.
@@alexeythekillerthe issue here is that other than CUDA and RTX Nvidia cards aren't that much better than competitors, and RTX isn't even _that_ exclusive to Nvidia cards unlike CUDA
The 5080 is really what the 5070 should be and the 5070 is really what the 5060 should be. Thanks Ngreedia!
I agree the 5080 just seems like the 4060 of this gen
No, they are all what they should be because most people are happy getting ripped off by Ngreedia.
"To the moon baby"
- Jensen.
no, they already did this with the 3000 and 4000 series 2 times, the 5080 is a 5060, 5070 is the 5050 and the 5060 is an 5040.
@@bruhmoment9429LoL 5080 will be 10% better than 4090 for 2/3 the price
Nvidia tight with the vram
Always have been. Exceptions have been few & far in between.
@@JamesSmith-sw3nk I wonder if we can just swap those vram chips out and let it rip, we already know the controller are supporting large capacity vram but Nvidia decide to choke them out, why can't we just replace the onboard ram chips and make it run with bigger memory...?
@@Savilianayou would also need a bios to go with the hardware and Nvidia has historically been tight-gripped with their bios and their stance on bios modding
@@Saviliana you can but need the skill to do so, there is some people already doing it so if you're interested
@@Saviliana That only works if you can find some matching VRAM chips, desolder the old chips, solder the new ones, and flash a correct VBIOS to make the GPU recognize the chips. Not impossible by any means, but not really doable for 99.99% of users.
Don't matter if its a GDDR93628 Vram. If it's not more than 8gb, its uselsss
8gb is useless exactly like tepid water: too much for budget non gaming GPUs, too little for gaming GPUs. (cold water is refreshing, hot water is good for a shower, tepid water sucks at both)
@@Emayeah All its good for is low profile and laptops. They can finally play GTA V anywhere they want on ultra using 50 watts of power
It doesn't even really matter if they give us 20+ GB of VRAM on their midrange cards if they're going to charge $1,000+
when ray tracing takes this much vram it's a joke to release cards with 8 at any level
@@Emayeah no
even if non gaming
8gb is shit for productivity
and machine learning
have u ever thought about that budget productivity is also a market
04:19 the 'G' stands for Greed
Lmao 😂
With our dollar tanking and taxes, the 5090 will be well over $3k in Canada. Unimaginable.
I think that's accurate.
Yuppers. I paid 2249 Cdn + 13% for my ASUS TUF 4090OC , at Canada Computes in B.C. in March 2023
is it cheaper to buy a prebuilt in canada then source the parts yourself? atleast maybe some builders are getting parts for msrp
Sounds like Canada sucks
@@TracksideViews i live in canada and i agree with you it does suck.
They're clearly segmenting the 5080 so far below the 5090 so they can slide some cards in between to build hype down the road when they launch it.
They've always done that to an extent, but holy shit they couldn't have been more obvious here.
Yep, the 5080Ti Super will be 1400 dollars.
It's about China, not an 80-Ti.
Export sanctions of AI-capable tech to china limits their sales opportunities. The 5080 is cut to be "just barely" china-export-sanctions-compliant.
@@freedomoffgrid82 Ti, then Super, then maybe a "Ti Super" 😆
@@kathrynck That's a very interesting argument 🤔 You could be right! Maybe it's all of the above.
The RTX 5080 really should have 20GB or 24GB GDDR7. Nvidia really is being stingy with VRAM.
20 gb should have been it
in 6 years there's going to be a UA-cam video of someone soldering 16 more gb of vram onto it and proving it still has the horsepower to beat out an 8060ti if it wasn't VRAM constrained.
@@kcl5038 dafuq u talking about, u dont seem to know nothing about gpus.
@@kcl5038 If you can find a VBios for a 5090 GPU for thet much VRam, sure. Otherwise, no. Nvidia is very stingy with their BIOS tools, so getting into them is very difficult.
@@kcl5038that’s going to be me someday
I'm still trying to understand why that Witcher 4 trailer had to note it was pre-rendered on an unannounced GPU. If it was pre-rendered, who the hell cares what it was running on? LOL!
Style points or something idk.
That's true. That means it's not running within the engine, which is a lot harder to do. (Culling, chsnging out models with lower poly ones, etc.) But, hey, at least it looks good, right? They could have said anything else instead of saying it was pre-rendered. It's probably to say it won't look that good in the engine at full speed, though.
That's just stated to build up hype.
It's likely they were paid to showcase their trailer by Nvidia, simple as that.
@@DaltonisntabotI think you nailed it. They always use CDPR games as testing playgrounds like they did with Path tracing in Cyberpunk.
Yea, but. NVidia's Dlss4 is set to save the world i read, stop war, cure disease, solve poverty and apparently it has ram compression so its going to use less ram, so Nvidia 8gb = intel 12gb.... Sorry, this joke made me laugh anyway. and im not saying ram compression wont be good in time, but its not going to save an 8gb gpu today.
Dude watch theyre gonna put it behind a paywall soon. I'm so fed up with people harping on getting duped into taking software into account with a hardware purchase.
Seems like AMD's GPU'S are the right choice for upcoming gen
Has been for a while ngl
Not for ray tracing tho, they seemingly gave up on that long ago
@@zamedoeswtever5267because its absolutely useless
Before games are developed based on ray tracing it'll remain a gimmick.
@@zamedoeswtever5267I like ray tracing turn off. It may be a good card if your making a 3d movies but it is absolutely useless for gaming.
NVIDIA is dead to me now. They treat PC gamers as suckers and keep trying to sell us out of date cards with 8gb memory. They have learnt nothing.
PCGamers keep proving they are the idiots, with comments such as yours. :D
@@CurtOntheRadionvidia shill
Let's wait for intel B780 20GB ~ $399 or AMD 8800 xtx 24GB ~ $599
Yeah which translates to 500-600 eur for b780 anf 800-1000eur for rx8800... Too much
@@roklaca3138people indeed should look a bit more on worldwide pricing.
Fyi the AMD RX 8800 XT (most likely name) will most likely "only" have 16GB of RAM & cost b/w ~$499 & $599.
2026 AMD will probably be amazing... amd has a longer refresh cycle... it's nice... hardware shouldn't be a yearly thing anyway
I could understand nvidia being mean with the memory if they were struggling to get down to a super-lean price point, but given that they are borderline price gouging at this point, it's inexcusable.
I mean, people are still going to buy it anyway... if we'd vote with our wallets a bit more, but that's wishful thinking.
They've been price gouging since 20 series
jensen huang is evil, you can't change my mind. literal supervillain. I cannot stand the man, and I do not watch his lame keynotes. he has "I wish I was Steve Jobs" energy and it's pathetic lol
Ngreedia at it's finest 😂
When you get really big Like Ngreedia, you do whatever you want.
The real super villians are the people buying this sh*t, they basically think oh this is my money I can buy anything with, it's not harming anyone, when in reality it's harming literally everyone else by giving these companies every reason to inflate the prices
This is why we always need competition. Greed is 100% guaranteed when theres no one to challenge you.
It’s only going to get worse unless lame Amd or Intel step up their game.
5090 might just be the first gpu to require human sacrifice to purchase
I appreciate the casual, down to earth and as if you're talking directly to us type of communication. It makes watching longer videos much more enjoyable to watch. No annoying youtuber voices, exaggerated hype, etc
Sony is putting up 800€ consoles, Nvidia selling 3000$ cards, if this continues I think I'll just retire gaming or stick solely to retro..
Switch 2. High-quality exclusives and retro (Nintendo Switch Online)
Just step away from nvidia. 3k for a single part is insane. You used to be able to put together high end PCs for less than that. I've been on team green for most of my life but enough is enough. My B580 is doing well though.
As for Sony... I... I got nothing. Hope everything that's on playstation eventually moves to PC, I guess?
What's insane is, I saw a watercooled 4090 for $2000+. Nvidia is definitely not worth it. Raytracing is nice, but it's not worth it. A much better choice is looking at indie games rather than top 'triple a' games. Retro gaming is also definitely worth it.
naa u wont
Trust Gabe and whatever their plans on hardware are.
Every gen Nvidia gives me another reason to buy AMD
And every AMD gen gives another reason just to quit and go play console or streaming
@@lasvista2techYou know PC gaming is doomed when people are excited about the B580 which its just a 4060 with 4 more gb of vram. Budget GPUs are still much slower in speed than they should be like 20% uplifts per gen since 20 series. B580 is ok at best but it still sucks in comparison to what we used to get and should be getting.
And yet, you will most likely still buy an Nvidia GPU no matter what, as proven by the 10% marketshare AMD had for almost 10 years straight.
"The mass of humanity is dumb" - Friedrich Schiller
I'm personally doing well with my 7900GRE. Does every thing I want and nothing I don't need. 🤙
Looking at those numbers, they leave space for a 5080ti for sure.
And the super and the ti super
thats what im thinking too
For what they have ZERO reason to make that
@AstroBot-bc0213 because people will buy it.
@ nvidia is lazy if that were the reason all they would do is increase the price of the base models instead of coming up with whole new products although I guess you could argue they’d be using bad 5090 chips
I'm curious how many fires will be started by these vid cards this time around. 5090 uses more power and that was the issue with that 600v plug to much power for the tiny pins to handle. They never fixed this design flaw.
Fix to their design flaw is using 3 8 pin cables instead.
I onow what Nvidia are doing: - not getting my money is what.
I guess we should start taking a look at Intel ARC and AMD gpus
i can easily see these cards going for 3000+ euros in the EU
The Acer predator with a 5090 was leaked by Acer at 4699 euros for the entire pc so 2500-3000 euros is likely
@@jesseoh272that was for the 5080 model
The 4090 is already 2k here, the strix one is 2500
Based on specs, 5080 is DOA. So it will be interesting to see benchmarks at release.
Yup 5070 Ti will be the much better buy. Especially if they try $1200 again for the 5080.
@Dexion845 precisely, there is No incentive to Pay more for this little increase in cores. Seems like a bad move from Nvidia. But maybe there is something we dont know yet;) they can have gimped the 5070 TI in some way. These specs makes me less excited for a new launch and make me wait for super launches later.
Long story short
Papa Jensen wants more money, and make you suckers for paying gimped card
I can't wait for their 6090 gpu costing 4,200$
I see what you did there
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I think you have one misconception, the best chips have never been for gaming. Those chips are always reserve for workstation, it's the same thing for CPU.
That's why we have H100, Quadro, etc. RTX 5090 possess the "RTX" naming and thus uses Game Ready drivers as default one. Please be nice to give users GAME READY GPU, ayo
The quadro branding has basically been retired, only somtimes found with retailers. Now the workstation class (not server ones) also carry the same rtx branding. The rtx 6000 is an example of that.
Nice, good thing i dont even want to build a pc anymore.
I say a PC is still worth it if you're going to play indie games or want to do some work. Otherwise, trying to play 'modern' titles, definitely not worth it.
You can jack up the vram to lightspeed memory. If you don't have capacity to match, it's useless. Especially with most games allocating 8gb of vram or more while using 7 ish.
Vex freaking out about how fast the 5090 is going to be when functionally none of us are going to buy it 😂
We all saw it coming a mile away that ngreedia was going to have 8gb on the 5060.
Even Apple stopped giving 8 gbs with their base model
At this point, Nvidia seems greedier than apple, the mini M4 is actually a cheap and powerful little pc for the 'low end", unlike the lower end Nvidia products
Every card except the 5090 is cut down in some way, just like 40 series. The 5090 will be the fastest gpu across the board with the most vram of any card nvidia offers. It'll likely cost both kidneys and a mortgage payment to get one though.
I hope the 4070 goes down in price after this launch, so it finally becomes affordable
Nah, the 5070 will just be more expensive
@@Efsaanehyeah the 50 will go up but he is talking about the 40
@@Emayeah im talking about 40 too. I'm saying the 5070 will be pricey to make the 4070 look "attractive" without lowering the price
@Efsaaneh im sure the whole 50 series will fit right into the "it's only $100-200 more so I might as well" range just that much more performance with just that not enough ram. Just work your way up the justification ladder and you can have something that seems finally enough for the low price of sixteen bazillion dollars
Didn't they stop production on the 40 series?
This is only good for the used market because some idiots are going to buy these cards anyway and throw their 4th gen nvidia into the used market
16:37 Nvidia wont release any value until they rake everyone over the coals. Dirt
once they do that theyre gonna put DLSS behind a paywall.
5000 series is almost like 2000 series. very limited node improvements. just massive die for 5090. and overclocked 80 70 60 series with better memory. we looking at 10% boost for 5080 below
Nvidia will keep spitting on our faces for a long time.
$2k?!?!
More like $3.5k
Ha it would never sell
@@theradiantchild It will sell no matter the price, if not bought by gamers, it will be for AI BS "on the cheap"
@@theradiantchild Without competitors & with plenty of demand, Nvidia can charge what they want.
If in doubt, see Tesla pricing.
that's what I'm hoping for.
A couple corrections for early in the video.
AD 102 for the 4090 isnt the larget die. AD 100 is the larget.
GB 202 isnt the largest die, its the GB 200. Also. The first 2 in 202 means iteration on the same process node, not its priority.
So AD 102 and GB 202 are on the "same node" or same class of node.
Nodes go like this
100
102
104
106
108.
Any odd numbers are cut down varians. Like 103, 107.
I just spent at least 17:59 minutes and will spend the additional however much is remaining watching GPUs that I will never in my wildest dreams be able to afford.
Seriously spending that much money on gaming doesn't make sense gaming is expense, my whole budget is 500$ and 5600+6700xt is still the best budget 1440p combo
This is even more sad for the laptop GPU market because there are basically no AMD and Intel GPUs to compete with Nvidia :(
Rtx 5070ti 12gb laptops are not gonna be cheaper than 2500€ in the best case, imagine that even 5070 laptops has 8gb vram and those will come with 14th gen cpus 😢
The worst part is, this is easily the best way for amd to contest with nvidia. Strangle theme in the accessible markets, give better pricing and performance there, and then use that to spread the name and funnel gamers towards the desktop gpus.
@@tumultoustortelliniI wouldn't say so, Nvidia's mind share for laptops is crazy. Nvidia stickers sell, buyers don't know what an "AMD Radeon" is. Intel could do something with good marketing though.
In 2027 ps6 launches with 32gb shared system memory. Anything we buy now with less than 16gb vram will be relevant for 2 years up to 1080p so dont overpay on a gpu now. Buy something for 2 years.
Shared isn't the same as dedicated. Watch for marketing scams
@evaone4286 Still the new platform will have a lot more than the 12-13 game designers opt for now and judging from titles like indiana jones or spacemarines and many others, its gonna be a tough ride so dont invest into a 4080 or 5080 or anything above 500-600 with less than 16gb vram hoping for 5 years of good usage its not gonna happen.
I'll be holding on to my 4080 Super for now. I think given the absolutely humongous gulf between the 5090 and the 5080 that we will likely see the return of the 80 Ti class product this generation. I think a 24GB VRAM and 15,000+ cuda core variant of a 5080Ti is quite likely 9-12 months on from launch, splitting the difference nicely between the two cards either side of it.
I'm in the exact same boat thinking the exact same thing
I'm paddling down the same river
8:00 we all know it’s Vex purring over the RTX 5090 😉😅😂🤣
Its called up selling. Nvidia are greed turds. They will still have 12GB in the 6070 you wait and see.
Merry christmas!
come back in a few days 🎅
There's never going to be a gpu that does it all for a good price they could make one but then there wouldn't be any money
TDP stands for "thermal design power" and refers to the amount of heat the device can potentially generate. This number is usally lower than the maximum power concumption because the conversion between power in and heat generated isn't 1:1. TDP is designed to inform how much cooling power is required.
Good thing I went with a 6700xt with 12gb vram. I'm not a fan of RT due to the noise and low framerate
Keep in mind in europe everything costs more anyway cuz of all the european taxes
Wait till you see what Canadians pay
Would it be worth it to upgrade to the 4070 super right now for about 675-700 USD, or wait for the new 50 series gen and see which matches the price range and go for it?
Or, better yet, just buy Intel's upcoming B700 series cards and save your money. Other manufacturers exist you know.
if you are gonna upgrade to something ( especially for the long term ) try to get a 16gb card minimum, 4070ti super or 7900xt, and if you want something from new gen, 5070Ti looks to be the best card to get
And I'm sitting here with my 1080 (Asus strix) gaming @ 1440p thinking to myself... Is it time to upgrade?
I’m here with my GTX 1650 acer nitro 5 from 2020
I finally broke down and did I was on a 1070 from my 2016 build
@@Sheckyize What are you on now?
@@tumultoustortellini I went:
1070 -> 4070 super
Ryzen 1800x -> 5700x
16GB Ram -> 32 GB of ram
Wi-Fi 5 -> WiFi 7
For me it was a massive upgrade I wasn’t able to play games like cyber punk to now being able to play 4K ultra settings at 60fps without ray tracing I will keep this set up probably until 6000 series if it’s a decent price but will most likely be going full AMD next time
@ my biggest worry is that VRAM is already a problem in some titles and that shouldn’t be the case I will have to upgrade by the time the 6000 series comes out
What’s the point when you can’t even stress the 4090 yet?
Gotta consuuuuume. Throw your last gen card away and buy and buy and buyyyyy
yeah, the 4090 and even the 4080 can still be bottlenecked by the best cpus because the gpus have gotten too powerful
There are several games that stress the 4090 lol
9th gen games make the 4090 cry bud.
@Powerman293 so generic, poorly optimised games?
The 5070 should be 16gb out of the box. I will wait to see what AMD has to offer
so if it is on a pcie 5 x16 will that affect the new cards performance if paired with only a pcie 4 x16 board?
5090 = $1999 - 5080 = $1699 - 5070Ti = $1349 - 5070 = $1199 - 5060 = $749
Can call me on my bullshit predictions, but we all know NVIDIA will overprice the living shit out of these cards.
The 5090 makes sense. The rest is cap my boy. That none of those cards would ever sell.
@@Tanzu15agreed
5060 would be 450
5090 will likely be $1999 i can agree. The rest would be cheaper than your prediction (still will be too expensive for our liking)
My prediction is that pricing would be something like this:
5090 = $1999
5080 = $1099
5070 Ti = $899
5070 = $699
5060 = $499
there is no "we", you are alone on this bullshit, yes for the 5090 but the rest is ridiculous and you know it, the 4080 didn't sell at 1200 so they had to rename it and give it a lil boost and a price cut for it to become good enough
My view is, if I get better performance, and DD7, instead of 6, for close to same money, I'm good! I'm on a RX480 8GB
You first like and first comment
Your content helped me a lot building my pc
Me just being happy the 5080 won’t be faster than my 4090 :D
5090 32gb = 1999$ 45% faster than 4090 80% faster at rt
5080 16gb = 1200$ 20% faster than 4080 60% faster at rt
5070 ti 16gb = 800$ 20% faster than 4070 ti(not super) 40% at rt
5070 12gb = 600$ 20% faster than 4070(not super) 40% at rt
5060ti 16gb = 500$ 15% faster than 4060ti (8gb) 30% faster at rt
5060 12gb = 329$ 10% faster than 4060 20% faster at rt
If 5060 comes with 8gb its dead anyway
cringe hate
if the 5060 is 10% faster than the 4060 id still buy the arc b580 anyways since it costs 250 and it comes with 12 gb vram and 10% faster than the 4060 sometimes more not like the 5060 which has 8 gb vram expected
that pencil is definitely wiser than my grandma, bro been thru a lot it seem
I was gonna say 😂 that pencil deserve some sharpening
Nvidia's innovation is to pump up the GPU processor and insert faster memory chips.
TDP is thermal design power, and is typically used to refer to chip power, mostly for CPUs.
TGP, total graphics power, would be the GPU equivelant, sort of, but it would also likely include just how much power it takes to run the GPU including the VRAM, this seems to mostly be used when referring to laptop GPUs.
TBP is the total board power, meaning how much power does the GPU, cooling, and everything typically suck up during max load under default boost settings. This would be the number you're looking for in a desktop graphics card.
but it wouldn't surprise me to see a news article or gaming site using the wrong initials to refer to a board's power.
The 1 in AD102 means it's the first iteration with that codename. The 2 in GB202, the first 2, means that it's the second iteration. Us gamers didn't get the first iteration of Blackwell. Similar story with Maxwell. Remember how we went from the GTX 700 series to the GTX 900 series? It happened again then too. Look it up and you'll see what I'm talking about. Also it happened with Fermi but they made 2nd gen fermi the GTX 500 series.
I'm hoping for a 1899$ price point on the 5090. Looking like a beast for 4K gaming. Tarkov is gonna look so good.
Kept buying X(X)70 series from Green because of drivers being more stable and OK for my needs/budget. Guess 5070 won't deserve more attention than 4070. 5070ti would be the actual logical way to go but Green has become Greed. Too much is too. I'll MORE THAN probably wait for RX8800 or B770. Please hold on my faithful 2070.
I still have a 2070 super
went from 1070->3070->AMD 70?
There aren't even modern good games out there. Constant slop
Nvidia Next generation:
Titan
6090Ti super
6090Ti
6090 super
6090
6090D
33:00 Speaking of the 4090 ti, not sure how well known this is but about 2 years ago Ubisoft had some settings article in Rainbow Six Siege where they were using a 4090 ti. Dont know what to make of it but maybe some companies were able to get it
Minor gripe, there is no costed, as a past-tense version of COST. The ED does seem plausible, as that is what we add to many words to denote past-tense. I would say..."It originally cost, X dollars". AD, would work with "It was originally PRICED, at X dollars.
All the non ti cards (except 5090) are make to look bad to upsell people to the ti versions (5090 in the 5080s case).
And i bet we will later get super versions which are the versions you’ll actually wanna get when sales slow down.
About the part about the "Possible VRAM upgrades coming"
If you look at the graph for the 5090, you'll notice that 5090 is the only card where the yellow bar for Memory Clock 28Gbps isn't filled all the way up to 100%. Which means this is most likely done to leave room for upgrades? :) hmmm
the x60Ti having more VRAM but less performance than the x70 has always been bizarre. It'll hit the performance limit before it ever reaches the Vram limit, so most of the time the memory is wasted.
22:16 all depends if there is any GPU to buy, cuz i didnt saw any B580 in online shops of my area, not even listed, and the few ones i see on amazon are like 400€ wich is stupid to buy them at that price, i inly wish they could make more stock... 😢
I hope that RTX 9080 will be able to run Indiana Jones on 4K path tracing and 50+ fps, for less than 2200$
Everyone is trying to ramp up production to sell GProdUct before the tariffs kill sales 😂
I hate the 16-pin just for safety factor alone 8 pin has 1.9 safety factor so it could theoretically handle 288W while 16pin has 1.1 so it could handle 684W. Most things will usually have 1.2-1.5 safety factor and I dont like going from nice overengineered power connector to something that could burn if it goes to its specified power.
Feel that with the handwriting, I have such bad handwriting myself lol
600W Power draw from the GPU alone is insane.
Im wondering how much improvement there is with raytracing performance on the 5090
If Nvidia launches the 5080 at the 4080 S price, I can definitely see a $2k 5090, especially with GDDR7. I could also see the 5080 S launching at the 4080's price
nVidia doesn't care about the gaming market anymore. They dumped us for AI, which is also why they push so much for crazily unoptimized games to make use of frame generation (which causes input lag since it's a fake post-process guess instead of actually responding to inputs).
im more interested on the low - mid range 250 and under if nvidia is willing to let 5060 at 250-280 range it would sell like hot cakes but its nvidia they rather put a premium on its its going to be 350 range + - . that 50% cut on cores is a sweet spot for nvidia to put something 5080ti or super if the market sway for it
In my country a 4060 is $350 and the 4060Ti is $500
@@JABelmsIn turkey 8gb 4060ti is like 400$ 16gb 500$ 4070 is 600$ 4070 ti is 1000$ it's a joke
They wont. 4060 is proof of that when the card costs as much as a 7800XT (which demolishes it). At least it does in my country
In the near future, we will be computing/gaming on an NVIDIA combo, GPU/ARM CPU with an M.2 slot or 2 on it.
Just going to stick with my 3080.
Every card now is garbage outside the 90 cards. It’s not just price. How many of us will actually be able to buy a 5090 in January?
I can, but I'll have to get a loan and be in debt with only a GPU.
No way I am paying whatever it is going to cost in EU for what is basically shiny toy.
I don't think I'll ever by a 90 series Nvidia GPU. Thousands of dollars is just insane, not even mentioning water-cooling it from the factory (even higher price). Yeah, i think I'm good.
@@Drip-Soup373 yeah same. 🤣
I can buy the 5090 but it will cost as much as my entire pc+monitor budget😂😂
They will release next year new cards with the new 3gb gddr7 modules. 5060 super 12gb, 5060 ti super 24gb? 😑
5070 super 18gb, 5070 ti super/5080 super both with 24gb and 5090 ti/super with 48, ofc they will overcharge for those cards. The only Nvidia card that might be decent for its price( I m talking about the leaked cards) is 5070 ti, 4080 super is 1200€+ in my country, while the 4070ti super is 950€+, 5070 ti s performace probably is right there with 4080/4080 super, 5070 ti with 800€ would be nice, but if amd will come with a 20gb card with same performance and price. It will be a better choice
$800 4070 class good value lol. everything under the 5090 is garbage because of prices, that and they will be hardly faster than the 4000 series. Nvidia has ai, they don't have to bother.
What planet are you living on? A 4070 is like 500-600 dollars. Getting that level of performance for 800 is a bad deal. Hell, the 4070 super is less than 800 too.
The 5080 deserved at least 18gb of vram.. cause based on the specs, that’s kind of a decent increment from the 4080. But due to the no vram increase is why I’m keeping my 4080SUPER.
TDP; Thermal Design Power: the max amount of power in correlation with the temperature of the hotspot.
What do you guys think - for how much can I sell my 4090 once the 50 series comes out? 🤔 🤔 thanks
Trajectory: rewarding the rich guys, punishing the poor guys.
Easy choice: Buy a "older" 4060 laptop. With DLSS and framegen, 50 series literally won't have any advantages over the older series. At least in the lower skews.
DLSS and framegen will make up for that less performance.
This is the unfortunate reality for 95% of people.
or don't buy laptop at all and get yourself a proper computer that isn't gimped by 30%
software into account when they're buying hardware. so now the GPUs are getting worse and worse while everyone is talking about how great Nvidia is for DLSS. it's straight up stockholm syndrome.
Why touch 4060 in the first place? Get a 6650xt, and a computer that costs 550 dollars instead of a stunted laptop that costs 600 for worse performance
Should i get the 4070 ti super or wait for the 50 series
Unless you for some reason really like their software, I'd say avoid Nvidia (yes, even if most companies optimize Nvidia cards first). VRam is the most important part and Intel and AMD offer better price to performance.
Unless you really enjoy Ray Tracing, which, it's just a gimmick to sell more cards, it's not worth it. Nvidia really likes gouging their cards and holding back on what the consumers can buy from them (like raising prices due to their AI stuff and VRam despite VRam being pretty cheap).
16:41 285 watt card is kinda crazy... meanwhile over in team red the 7900XT and XTX just chilling. Ive actually got my XT undervolted to around a 290w pull since where i moved to power costs more.
Everyone is talking about sam sung, but no one talks about what song sam sung
Looks like i made the right choice to go ahead and get the 4090 instead of waiting for the 5000 series
I'll have to sell out my entire house to buy that shit.