The Quadrajet guy the driver was talking about was Brad Urban. Brad owned the Carburetor shop in Ontario,California. We used Brad right up until the time he died. The 604 we ran liked 32 to a max of 36 degrees. Thanks for the video Daniel.
Up here in PA when my dads friend, the "Doctor of Motors" passed away many years ago the title never got passed on, you deserve it Daniel. I can picture you in a white lab coat!
I shot Motortrend an email..I didn't know Daniel was his name, till now..told them about Powell Machine Inc., A man that has a Utube channel, from S.C. I told them that they need some new content and what he has going on is a whole lot more relevant to more people than some of the stuff we're now having to watch reruns of. I encourage anybody reading this to pass the word and encourage others to contact Motortrend and tell'em they can do better.
Wow, what a great video. Most builders just say good luck and goodbye. I like the way you work with what you have and keep the rule book in mind. As usual I learned a lot. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video.
You are correct on the NGK plugs. I've heard the same from nitrous guys that go through alot of plugs in 1 race. I'm very surprised it needed that much timing. Thanks for the great video
Cool video... Gives a great depiction of what it takes to get a race car going, as well as the basic dynamics of the crew and people around the car. I could definitely hear the difference in the engine as it came around the track. It is funny, most people won't hear or feel the difference in the car. I have always been able to tell when car/truck wants something different, or feel the simple heart beat of the engine to time what you are doing: shifting up or down, burnouts, aggressiveness of accelerator pedal through the RPM range, etc. Good content. Thanks. 🏎💨
Thank you for the videos, the machine work and such has been enlightening, stuff like this is also really interesting as well and shows your vested in your end product. definitely would be my first choice in machine shop.
Thanks for these style videos. I was always taught that you can’t read our plugs properly/accurately due to the idle circuit. Especially on the 604. The only way for us to properly read the plugs is to the kill the motor at the end of the lap and roll onto the pits in neutral. You also need to put the new ones in while the engine was hot especially if plan on testing and reading them after the run. I was also under the impression by most data and independent builders recommendations is that the NGK was superior for the 604 application. You are right though I’ve never seen anyone running a 604 or circle track carb without the multiple adjustable emulsion bleeds or tapped and modified blocks. But that’s won’t dirt track guys and rules. VDL is a good. Arb but they aren’t as notable in the dirt scene these days.
My whole family raced back in the 50-80 s in west palm beach Florida when I was a kid I only got to see the last years of the track before they tore it down in 81 love it every Friday night
Nice to see real world. Motor sounds good and the tweaks seemed to improve it. Always nice to see competence. And I half expected a dry sump on that type of car. I come from drag racing so my knowledge of these classes is basically non-existent. But not seeing a reservoir was puzzling at first.
Cool to see some real world testing. I bought a Holley off a guy with a 604 engine to put on my 5.0 mustang. I curious as to what I’m in for. It looks like a hodgepodge of try’s lol, but it has a xp main body I think, haven’t looked at it in awhile. Jegs backordered my fuel system. That’s the one big thing I’m waiting on to swap it over. I’ve got my heads intake, and rockers. Pretty excited to get it done,
Thanks. Always happy to learn something about reading plugs. Maybe you could shed some light on reading plugs for a street application. I'll be looking at mine after reassembling my little 22R-TE I've got my old pickup.
In early 60s (bet you get tired of that) Champion plugs gave me better power, but AC lasted forever , in my 327 Chevy II . Only the big boys knew how to “read” plugs. We always just set them like the factory said to. Couldn’t and wouldn’t race the 300hp 327. Just enough money to pay car payments, rent and food. 6:04
I know you built prob a thousand engines over the years. But to go to the track and listen to that thing scream like that. You have to look at that engine scream and think I built that. Be proud. I know we do stuff over and over. And it becomes routine. Everyone is different even tho they are the same. She sounds great brother.
This video was freaking amazing!!!...could you PLEASE do a follow up video explaining the way you read the timing mark and why...is carbureted engines different than efi on reading the timing mark?...reason i ask is because i was told in efi school that the timing mark should be at or around the bend of the strap...could you also talk about the ring above the first thread...thank you for the videos and hard work making this all happen...ive only done a mild 350 build and ive been to school for mechanics and efi but i only know enough to start learning if that makes any sense and your videos help out a lot.
It stuns me that my air-cooled 1970s and 1980 Japanese 4-cyl /4--carb motorcycles give spark plugs that are as good as my modern fuel injected cars across all the cylinders. The Japanese really mastered carburetion.
Your problem with the spark plugs Is you. You should have used a plug Torque plate. I'd love to take the time to Explain it to you but I'm working in my temporary office right now and my mom needs to use my desk to fold Laundry on.Not mom I meant Secretary.
Really? you mean the most HP without knocking? Normally I would expect pre combustion to start before that but on this engine it doesn’t. The heads are AFR aftermarket. It made 502hp on the dyno at that much advance with zero knocking. Less advance made less HP. It does seem more than anyone recommends for a SBF.
hey Daniel ...just one question...what is the differance between "circle track" floats....& the standard floats..!..r they smaller...so they can have more volume in the bowls...!..?..?..all of the cars we work'd on were run stright line..1/4 or 1/8th mile...keep in mind were talk'n in the 1980ies.. 🙂 thanks 4 take'n us along,loved every second of it...!..
We run 32-34* on our 604 Dirt Late Model w/ AvGas. 39* seems excessive with the fast burning 604 heads. Any dyno numbers to validate ideal timing on that engine?
I did. I asked the question at the time I heard the driver say 39*. But you only said the engine came alive. I’m wondering about the peak HP & peak torque developed at 39* vs what you backed it down to.
@briancarlisi2224 the dyno idiot had it at 40, we pulled it back to 36 and the lap times were better, I explain why the dyno made better #'s at hi timing
This is proper UA-cam content, well done Team Powell, so enjoy the real world testing and facts, appreciate you guys 👍
Tyvm
@powellmachineinc3179 so many dyno warriors around, loved the track diagnosis and explained in laymen's terms 👍
Wicked to see the OG method of interpreting timing and fuel/air, all without EGT thermocouples and wideband sensors.
Ty!
Really interesting plug diagnostic indicators. No book I ever read described this type of diagnosis, thank you!
Yw
The Quadrajet guy the driver was talking about was Brad Urban. Brad owned the Carburetor shop in Ontario,California. We used Brad right up until the time he died. The 604 we ran liked 32 to a max of 36 degrees. Thanks for the video Daniel.
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Loud pipes save lives. Oh wait, that's on motor cycles. Sounds great. Love the way the track bowl holds the sound.
Yes they do
Fun! True engine builder supports the racing scene in real time
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The sweet sounds of 180° headers!!!
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Up here in PA when my dads friend, the "Doctor of Motors" passed away many years ago the title never got passed on, you deserve it Daniel. I can picture you in a white lab coat!
I appreciate that!!
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I agree 100%.
I shot Motortrend an email..I didn't know Daniel was his name, till now..told them about Powell Machine Inc., A man that has a Utube channel, from S.C.
I told them that they need some new content and what he has going on is a whole lot more relevant to more people than some of the stuff we're now having to watch reruns of.
I encourage anybody reading this to pass the word and encourage others to contact Motortrend and tell'em they can do better.
Wow, what a great video. Most builders just say good luck and goodbye. I like the way you work with what you have and keep the rule book in mind. As usual I learned a lot. Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video.
Thank you very much!
You are correct on the NGK plugs. I've heard the same from nitrous guys that go through alot of plugs in 1 race. I'm very surprised it needed that much timing. Thanks for the great video
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Yeah we change ours after every pass. -10s. Whether we are spraying or not, just to be safe.
always great to see the fruits of you labor, Thanks for your expertise and tuning the car!
My pleasure!
Watching engine builders / tuners is the best. You know so much.
I know " some thing" but we try hard
He tuned the engine with his eye.... wow. Great video.
Well
I went to the fights at a circle track and a race broke out😂
Absolutely
The norm for dirt tracks and part of the excitement!
So good to see an engine builder that knows his trade
Thank you
Great video!! This is something you don’t see every day. The builder at the track assisting the driver. Bet the driver is appreciating every minute.
Definitely, Gary is a good guy, we are glad to help when we can
We absolutely appreciated Mr. Powell joining us at the track.
A man of many talents. That was a great insight into a race tune.
Glad u enjoy
Thanks. You went above a call of duty. Great job!
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Cool video... Gives a great depiction of what it takes to get a race car going, as well as the basic dynamics of the crew and people around the car. I could definitely hear the difference in the engine as it came around the track. It is funny, most people won't hear or feel the difference in the car. I have always been able to tell when car/truck wants something different, or feel the simple heart beat of the engine to time what you are doing: shifting up or down, burnouts, aggressiveness of accelerator pedal through the RPM range, etc. Good content. Thanks. 🏎💨
Absolutely 💯
Thank you for the videos, the machine work and such has been enlightening, stuff like this is also really interesting as well and shows your vested in your end product. definitely would be my first choice in machine shop.
Thanks for watching!, we really appreciate you
It’s always nice to see engines from machine shops in action after they are built.
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Nice video Powell. Its cool to see a truly knowledgeable man teaching others. Awesome
I appreciate that!
It has to feel good to build an engine that good and have it sound absolutely amazing going around the track!! Outstanding job!!
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Glad to see you and the family at the track and out of the shop...sounds real good after the adjustments you made.
Absolutely, we enjoyed it
Not just a simple thing, sounds excellent, hope it's working out,thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones
Tyvm we appreciate you
Thanks I rebuilt machine tools for a living. Worked for the Dale Earnhardt and NASA
Awesome
Awesome video great to see some tuning content
Glad you enjoyed
Thanks for these style videos. I was always taught that you can’t read our plugs properly/accurately due to the idle circuit. Especially on the 604. The only way for us to properly read the plugs is to the kill the motor at the end of the lap and roll onto the pits in neutral. You also need to put the new ones in while the engine was hot especially if plan on testing and reading them after the run. I was also under the impression by most data and independent builders recommendations is that the NGK was superior for the 604 application. You are right though I’ve never seen anyone running a 604 or circle track carb without the multiple adjustable emulsion bleeds or tapped and modified blocks. But that’s won’t dirt track guys and rules. VDL is a good. Arb but they aren’t as notable in the dirt scene these days.
The Idle circuit is not specific to a 604, so that makes no sense
My whole family raced back in the 50-80 s in west palm beach Florida when I was a kid I only got to see the last years of the track before they tore it down in 81 love it every Friday night
Absolutely
Great video,my brother worked for Petty Racing for about 10 years.
Very cool!
god damn that thing sounds good
Tyvm
It sounds great! Thanks for the knowledge passing on! I play with bikes a little, sport bikes. Always learning.
Glad to hear it!
Nice to see a rear video out of the workshop. Cheers.
Glad you enjoyed it, we definitely enjoyed the break
This is what it's all about. Very cool.
Definitely, tyvm
Thanks for taking us along. great real-world issues. you showed excellent analytical thought process and execution. I hope you have a great day.
Glad you enjoyed it!, we appreciate you watching
Thanks for letting us watch this part
My pleasure
You just taught me more about properly reading a spark plug and how to open one up to really see what's going on inside there. Thanks a bunch!
Glad I could help
Great stuff,great info. Brings back the days we read our plugs racing motorcycles. The plugs don't lie.
Great point!
OK, well, this isn't what I thought this engine would be used for. lol Awesome!
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I would love to see a video on how changing plug heat range effects timing strap and fuel ring.
Noted
Sincerely, enjoyed this upload!
Glad you enjoyed it
I thought all this was worked out before installing these days. Learn something new every day. If I'm lucky. Remembering it is the hard part.
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I haven't been there in years, that car sounds great. I would love to see what it runs and how it feels around there.
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Watched the video last night,excellent job following your work to the track.
Awesome, thank you!
Nice to see real world. Motor sounds good and the tweaks seemed to improve it. Always nice to see competence.
And I half expected a dry sump on that type of car. I come from drag racing so my knowledge of these classes is basically non-existent. But not seeing a reservoir was puzzling at first.
Ty!! Yeah, it was good to get out of the shop a few hour's
this was a good look at real world tuning, timing, mix, and spark plug look
Ty, we had a good time
Another awesome video. Brings back a lot of memories for me.
Glad you enjoyed it
Cool to see some real world testing. I bought a Holley off a guy with a 604 engine to put on my 5.0 mustang. I curious as to what I’m in for. It looks like a hodgepodge of try’s lol, but it has a xp main body I think, haven’t looked at it in awhile. Jegs backordered my fuel system. That’s the one big thing I’m waiting on to swap it over. I’ve got my heads intake, and rockers. Pretty excited to get it done,
We sell almost anything u need
He never takes that apron off.
Lol
Excellent video! Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
PS This is some great content.
Ty!
Way cool..
Had no idea the plugs revealed that level of info...
I am not a racer, but excellent new perspective..
Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
Reminds me of our local track Berlin Raceway.
It's old
Excellent video big daddy I’m gonna watch it again thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it
Very nice, We get to see some your work. Sounds great.
Many thanks!
Great video, that’s the way I do mine…
Thanks 👍
Beautiful black and red car. Reminds me of a famous nascar driver.
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Good shit 🏁
Tyvm
Thanks. Always happy to learn something about reading plugs. Maybe you could shed some light on reading plugs for a street application. I'll be looking at mine after reassembling my little 22R-TE I've got my old pickup.
Definitely
Glad to see Gary back in a car
Yeah, he seems to be enjoying it
What a great thrill. You must feel successful, nice job.
Absolutely
In early 60s (bet you get tired of that) Champion plugs gave me better power, but AC lasted forever , in my 327 Chevy II .
Only the big boys knew how to “read” plugs.
We always just set them like the factory said to.
Couldn’t and wouldn’t race the 300hp 327.
Just enough money to pay car payments, rent and food.
6:04
Definitely
The rubber hose on the spark plug is a must at times.
Absolutely
🍻👍🏼 Build a nascar engine ans tune 🎉
A top Quality and dedication 🍻
Oh yeah!
Nice to switch things up and get out to the track!
Absolutely
I know you built prob a thousand engines over the years. But to go to the track and listen to that thing scream like that. You have to look at that engine scream and think I built that. Be proud. I know we do stuff over and over. And it becomes routine. Everyone is different even tho they are the same. She sounds great brother.
Absolutely 💯
Mr Powell I've got a 289 out of a 65 galaxy. Been in my Barn for 40 plus years. Retired need to sell. Also Moriseki 1500 g lathe w/ inverter
Fb market place
This video was freaking amazing!!!...could you PLEASE do a follow up video explaining the way you read the timing mark and why...is carbureted engines different than efi on reading the timing mark?...reason i ask is because i was told in efi school that the timing mark should be at or around the bend of the strap...could you also talk about the ring above the first thread...thank you for the videos and hard work making this all happen...ive only done a mild 350 build and ive been to school for mechanics and efi but i only know enough to start learning if that makes any sense and your videos help out a lot.
The chamber efficiency determines how much timing it wants
That motor sounds SO much happier with a little less timing... should be fairly quick too!
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Man, that’s a nice looking late model.
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It stuns me that my air-cooled 1970s and 1980 Japanese 4-cyl /4--carb motorcycles give spark plugs that are as good as my modern fuel injected cars across all the cylinders. The Japanese really mastered carburetion.
Absolutely
Excellent content learned a lot thanks for sharing
Glad it was helpful!
@@powellmachineinc3179 Awesome man
Ty!
When you build a engine your name is attached to it forever.
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That sounds mean !
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The Trafalgar group. Hell yeah. good people
Old pushrod engine tech, fascinating
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Good Job, that sounds great
It does!
Great video, sounds good, engine is Purdy
Thank you very much!
Enjoyed learning about the plugs and the " timing line ". Will be watching again. That carb was a VRS ? Cheers.
VDL, but I wasn't impressed, I'm going to fix him a proper one
Enjoyable video! Thanks👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Nicely done.
Thanks!
PRC Carbs down here owner Steve Taylor can build him a nice carb within his rules fyi
You got that right!
I think a round track is the perfect place to break in any engine.
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That dude rips👍🏻
Oh yeah!
This must be the place where the rubber meets the road.
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Nut driver for the bowl screws.
No room
Wait asphalt is used to get to the races,not to race on.
Lol
I'm a Kentucky boy and agree, but they are Carolina guys so....
Definitely not knocking your program. Fast is fast! Love the content!
@@paul44235 ty, it's all for its place
It needs Powell machine on it lol
It's on the fenders
interesting on what goes on running a car
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Your problem with the spark plugs Is you. You should have used a plug Torque plate. I'd love to take the time to Explain it to you but I'm working in my temporary office right now and my mom needs to use my desk to fold Laundry on.Not mom I meant Secretary.
Lol....
This is one of your best videos. Thanks for posting. One question, Do you sleep in your apron as well?
I do take it off for that....
@@powellmachineinc3179 I suppose you would have to take it off before putting on the frilly pink one......Secret is safe with me and the internet.....
Super😎
Tyvm
those 604 like ti be locke out at 36 dreges timing.
Were you talking about break in when you said you just don't want it to idle 20 minutes?
No, we were talking about idle time dirtying up the plug when I read them
@@powellmachineinc3179 10--4, after watching I realized it had been on a chassis dyno since you built it. Thanks !
Apron engaged
Facts
2:24 I think we have a pretty good idea of who is running the camera.
Lol, Andrew was about to get in trouble with his mama 🤣
I’m very surprised that the engine will take that much total timing.
What octane fuel is it running on?
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It's on 36, 110 I think
@@powellmachineinc3179 that makes sense now. Thanks for the reply 👍🇦🇺
I have a 347 ford that’s at 39 degrees running on 98 RON euro pump fuel. Guess the heads are just really good.
@odl21 generally the more timing the less efficient the head
Really? you mean the most HP without knocking? Normally I would expect pre combustion to start before that but on this engine it doesn’t. The heads are AFR aftermarket. It made 502hp on the dyno at that much advance with zero knocking. Less advance made less HP. It does seem more than anyone recommends for a SBF.
hey Daniel ...just one question...what is the differance between "circle track" floats....& the standard floats..!..r they smaller...so they can have more volume in the bowls...!..?..?..all of the cars we work'd on were run stright line..1/4 or 1/8th mile...keep in mind were talk'n in the 1980ies.. 🙂 thanks 4 take'n us along,loved every second of it...!..
There cut on a angle to keep the fuel level in a corner
@@powellmachineinc3179 yup...ok...got ya...!..all the fluids get slam'd to the passenger side.in the turns....thanks Daniel..
I thought they are hinged in the center instead of the side?
A center hung bowl does hinge in the center
The carb shop is the name your searching for Brad urban can also fix quads
The other car was struggling with the qjet, I gave them a few pointers,
We run 32-34* on our 604 Dirt Late Model w/ AvGas. 39* seems excessive with the fast burning 604 heads. Any dyno numbers to validate ideal timing on that engine?
Did you catch what I said at the end?
I did. I asked the question at the time I heard the driver say 39*. But you only said the engine came alive. I’m wondering about the peak HP & peak torque developed at 39* vs what you backed it down to.
@briancarlisi2224 the dyno idiot had it at 40, we pulled it back to 36 and the lap times were better, I explain why the dyno made better #'s at hi timing